December 2, 2024 • 54 mins
We are holding space/being held hostage by the biggest press tour of the year and we have no choice but to discuss the tornado that is Wicked Part One.
It's absolute madness. Fans are overwhelmed, Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo are crying in every interview, and for those of us who haven’t dedicated our lives to the Wicked universe, we’re left with one overwhelming feeling: What is even happening?
We will not be skipping the juiciest part, the affair. What exactly is an Ethan Slater and why was Ariana dealt the ultimate insult to women everywhere?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome
to Canceled, The Lazy Girl's Guide to Pop Culture.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Jesse Stephens and I'm Claire Stephens.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And speaking of canceled, we are about to be canceled
because what we're going to do today is unpack the
biggest movie of the year. Some would say of all time.
I would say the moment, at the moment, until Gladiator
is out.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think it is out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh yeah, no, I think Gladiator is out. I mean
until we've all seen Gladiat We're okay. The movie we're
talking about is Wicked.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Fellow Ouzian, the Wicked Winter of the West is dead.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You agree, I am. We were a mess that day. Yeah,
we are almost doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And because we're singing, it lives.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's how we sound together. I just had a thought
right now, and I thought to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
If we were instruments, what will be I was like,
you and Glinda would be a flupe and alphabet. I
think would be a clarinet.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I've seen this week people are taking the lyrics of
defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling
power in that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I didn't know that that was happening.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've seen it. Yeah, that's really powerful.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
We're not haters.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We are not haters, despite the title of our podcast
and our general and our general energy, not haters. We
love a musical. Have we seen Weeket at the theater twice?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I believe I've seen it in London. Wow, that's not
like you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, the Wizard of Oz slaps. We are on the
same page about that. Yeah. Do we entirely understand Wicked?
The first two times I saw it at the theater,
not fully, And I think that is an indictment on me.
There was so much that I was so into the
plot of the film Wicked because I was like, this
is all brand.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
New to me.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though I knew.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two of the songs popular and defying Gravity, couldn't remember
how she got great. This episode will be an attempt
to process what is happening, because literally everyone's crying, they're
holding space for their power, they're saying phrases. It don't
seem to make sense. As culture critic Hunter Harris put it,
the Wicked press tour has defied reason, language boundaries, and manicures.
(02:54):
And this is really just the beginning. Our structure for
today is as follows, and warning this is going to
be unnecessarily comprehensive.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, what are we canceling today?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because I thought we were doing a canceled episode on
the Wicked press tour, but you seem to have broadened it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I have because what.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We did is last night, you and I went to
see the film. We frantically went to see frantically went
to the film. We have a cousin who loves musicals,
and we called him at four o'clock and we said,
we're picking you up, mate, We're going to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We're going to get popcorn. There's gonna be a frozen coat.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And he said, I'll be there with my good theater
pants on, and he was and we had a lovely time.
And I feel that because we've seen it, we should comment. Okay, well,
there be spoilers.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I don't know what a spoiler is.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
At this point, most people know the story because they
were concentrating when they saw it at Yeah, okay. My
structure is the affair fan Ai controversy, the small zy
interview that holding space in your power while defying gravity interview,
a list of all the things that have made Cynthia
Rivo ariana grande cry. I tried to have everything I could.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, you can't. There's not enough time. Someone needs to
write a yes.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And finally, some notes on the actual movie before we
really get into it. What is Wicked and from Wednesday originate?
I thought I would do a bit of a cliff note.
I'm confused because there's a prequel and there's a sequel,
and there's a part one, and there's Oz, and there's Wicked,
and there's Wizard, and there's Yellow Brick Road, and there's
Dorothy and there's Toto.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There's just so much.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's like, you know, the tin Man is
actually fred Di Ico And I'm like, who's Frederico?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, isn't tin Man? Tin Man?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, that's not his name either, Frederico. No, No, I
can't remember that. But there's a story of the Wizard
of Oz written in the year nineteen hundred. Wow, and
it was made into a film with Judy Garland in
nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Is that the one I've seen?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Fabulous film, fabulous. In nineteen ninety five, they had color
TV in nineteen thirty, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
In nineteen ninety five, a man named Gregory Maguire published
a novel called Wicked, The Life and Times of the
Wicked Witch of the West. It was a revisionist exploration
of the characters from The Wizard of Oz, the protagonist
being the witch Alphaba, and it looked at themes of
evil versus nurture, social ostracism, radicalization, terrorism, propaganda, and life purpose.
(05:16):
Apparently he was quite influenced by the James Bolger case.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Remember in the UK.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That was a case a little boy who was killed
by Yeah, and it was he was interested in what
makes someone evil anyway? So wait in that novel, did
he go back in human and humanize Alpha Bar. That's
what he did in two thousand and three. It was
then made into a Tony Award winning Broadway show, and
in November of this year the movie was released, starring
(05:40):
Cynthia Arrivo as Alpha Ba and Ariana Grande as a
good witch Glinda. If you're like, what is an alphabat
and what does it do? That's how we felt literally
this time twenty four hours. Yeah, yeah, And we had,
as aforementioned, seen the musical we can't, for the life
of us tell you what happens in part two. We
walked out and everyone was like, have you seen the movie
(06:01):
the music? I was like, yeah, ya, yeah, I've just
seen the musical. Well you'll know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I thought that was the end till it said to
be continued. I was like, I'm satisfied. I don't need
to know it. I feel fool rung a bell with
the monkeys following the winch. Not sure if you feel
like this, but it is as though the world can
be split into two camps. The first only think about Wicked.
It's their favorite musical of all time. The second is
(06:30):
like when did we all become on first name basis
with Alphaba? Like when and how did you get so
into Wicked?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And like why do you know the law?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The They're like, Ariana, she always wanted to be in this,
but the thing they forget And I only know this
because I saw it on TikTok about an hour ago.
Ariana Grande wanted to play Alpha ba What Yeah, no,
she said, Elfie was a dream roll Wow, okay, okay.
The thing I've realized is that the reason we didn't
(07:03):
realize these two camps existed before. Is because Wicked before
now has rarely come up in conversation. No, so I'm
seeing people outing themselves as mad Wicked fans. They're like,
when I studied Wicked, Yeah, I've seen it on Broadway,
and when I saw the theater production, I did not.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I'm like, oh, you were keeping that in there?
You were keeping that in why?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And then they're like, yeah, notice how alphable went haha,
Well that's that alphabar, but the other alphabat was more
like and I'm like what, I'm also really tired. I
would like that on the record, because we did see
a seven pm session. Yeah, and then that finished at
four am, which is when my baby worke up, So
very very tired. Okay, we're going to begin with the affair. Claire,
(07:46):
you have some information on the affair. In the lead
up to the Wicked press tour, there was a lot
of talk about a love that blossomed on the set
of the movie. I know, we're not talking about the
love between Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Though much has said of that, which we will.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Hold space for separately and repeatedly later in this episode.
I'm talking about the love between Ariana Grande and her
literal lover Boch.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Is that his name?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It sounds like when my baby can't say a word properly,
like block.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It sounds like when she says mock when she wants
her milk.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah. Well, his name's Ethan Slater. Firstly, what is an
Ethan Slatter? Great question because.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I've never seen I've never seen that man before in
my life, like Ethan Slater.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
The culture does this. The culture loves to be like
remember with the this is us? Well, what was that mean?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
This?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It ends with us? And everyone knew who that man was,
And I was like, she knew who it was.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We weren't on first name basis with him before this
press to the press to have happened. We all pretended
to be and now we can't remember. No, and that's
the deal with Ethan Slater seems lovely. Not a household man.
Ethan Slater is a Broadway star known for his role
as SpongeBob square Pants in SpongeBob square Pants the musical
(09:06):
No No, But with the musical he received a Tony
Award No Nation Okay. In Wicked, he plays a munchkin
named Boch. Grande and Slater were both legally married to
other people when they met on the set. Who was
around marriage, Yeah, great question, Dalton Gomez. Who's Dalton was
(09:26):
her husband? Okay, yeah, husband of a couple of years.
And then Ethan Slater was married to his high school sweetheart,
Lily Jay that's lovely, with whom he had just had
a baby, one year old, one year old little boy.
So they welcomed that baby boy in August twenty twenty two.
Filming for Wicked starts in December twenty twenty two. That's
(09:50):
not sounding good. So in January twenty twenty three, Grande
separates from her husband, so that's early the next year.
TMZ claimed their relationship suffered after the pandemic restrictions were
lifted because Gomez was taken aback by his wife's fame.
Oh sir, your wife is literate, Ariana Grande.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When she licked a donut? Yeah yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Have you heard songs such as break Free or Into
You or no Tears Left to Cry, which it appears
as premature because she did in fact, many tears left
to cry about Wicked? But mate, literally check your phone,
turn on your television, turn on the radio. Yeah, your
wife is the literal and actual Ariana Grande.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's very a man.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, being like like I didn't realize you were yeah famous,
I'm sorry. I'm Mariana fucking Grande. There's gonna be paparazzi.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
We've been in COVID for too long and you forgot.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But in March twenty twenty three, Grande and Slater a
photograph together with the cast. You know when the cast
hangs out socially, it was one of those. In May,
Grande shared a photo of her husband to celebrate their
second wedding anniversary. I think they tried to get back
together for a little bit. Then later that month she
deleted a whole lot of photos from her grid and
it was clearly like something's happened. In July, there's news
(11:08):
that they're headed for divorce, and in the same month,
the rumors about Grande and Slater start to surface. Slater
had shared a Mother's Day post about Lily j in May,
saying like she's great mother, and Ariana Grande had liked it.
A few days after the rumors went public, Slater filed
(11:30):
for divorce from Jay. Then the day after that, and
it's like, guys, do you not have work to do?
You're doing a lot of filing for divorce. Yeah. I
think that this plays into my theory that theater kids
feel things more deeply than everyone else. It is reminiscent
of Hugh Jackman and the Chick from Younger who met
on Broadway and actually feel there are some intense love
(11:52):
affairs bubbling in musicals when you look into each other's
eyes and you sing, I've never had the experience, but
he is to be bonding. I thought that was a
thing about which we did not speak out loud.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh no, we do. Oh okay, yeah, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Jackman and Satain Foster, certain Foster, Okay, we're talking about it.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Really sad for Deborah. Debrah's okay. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On the day after that, so, the day after the
rumors go public, Lily J gives a short interview to
page six, and she describes Grande as not a girl's girl.
She says, my family is just collateral damage. The story
is her and Dalton. According to an anonymous source, Slater
(12:36):
and Jay had been separated for two months before he
pursued a relationship with Grande and it's like, mate, that
is definitely your source defending you. Two months ain't long enough.
You have a child? You do, you do have a child.
Your wife gave birth. Yeah, I wonder if her and
Cynthia are on the press tour a bit ariana kind
of building up her reputation.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Girl. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Definitely a sauce said Ethan's trying to take the high
road and hopes he can resolve this situation for the
sake of their child. There's all this protection going on.
Then in September, Grande and O's file for divorce at
the same time, citing irreconcilable differences aka Haryana is fully
having a relationship with a lunch Okay, the munch can
(13:22):
thing like even speaking of wicked law much can Land?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Can I get a quick explain?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah? Is that like a It's like a postcard. It's
giving Hobbit, giving Hobbits all right to me. Parallel universes
Hobbit and Hobbit, hobbitin Okay and munch can Land. I reckon,
they I reckon, there'd be I reckon. There's a multiverse,
(13:48):
the Spider Man universe where hobbiton and munch can Land intersect.
I think ant Man's there, yeah, and ant Man's just
like pow wow wow honey. Apparently, Grande was very determined
to keep her relationship with Later out of the spotlight,
because the source said, this entire situation has been blown
(14:09):
out of proportion, and it's much different than what has
been portrayed in public. In September, Grande and Slater went
to Disney World together and they were photographed linking arms.
Grande has also been spotted at one of Slater's Broadway musicals,
like The Opening Night and SpongeBob or a different one. No, no, no,
different one. This is called spam Alot. It's like a
(14:31):
Monty Python music because imagine I reckon. Obviously it's Tony
like award nominated. It's like obviously a good no. But
imagine you're seeing someone with musical theater and you're like,
oh my god, who do you play? Do you play
Romeo in and Juliet? Are you in Lame Meares? Are
you in Hamilton? And they're like, no, no, no more.
I'm SpongeBob. I'm SpongeBob. It's one step higher than honestly
(14:54):
playing Shrek. And I've seen Trek the musical, and it
was lovely. It was a delight, sure, but SpongeBob ain't sexy.
It's a bit wiggles. It's a little bit waggles. So
they've been to all these musicals together. They're very like
musical theater darlings.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. I got that from their date at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah. Then in September twenty four, just before the Wicked
Press who had started, Grande was interviewed for Vanity Fair
and she said, it definitely doesn't get any easier seeing
some of the negativity that was birthed by disreputable tabloids.
Of course, I went through a lot of life changes
during the filming of this movie. A lot of people
that were working on it did. And she says she
(15:34):
will never go into certain details, and the most disappointing
part was to see so many people believe the worst
version of it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And clearly she dog matter Munchkin.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And then in an interview with GQ in October, Slater
was asked, you also fell in love making this movie.
Can you tell me a little bit about what that
was like? And he said, that's a really sweet question.
That's really nice of you to ask. That's a really
sweet question. And I think that's important because it's like
he's being earnest on this press tour as well.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
A lot of people have said, Ethan.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You blow up your marriage for a small part. It
might be bigger in part two. I'm just saying in
part one it was it was small.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It was small.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Have you seen everybody talking about the chemistry that they
had during the movie? No, Yeah, there are full articles
analyzing their chemistry, And I'm like, guys, it was a look.
It was one look. It was one look, and I
didn't see it. I did not see it. They were
simply acting. Yeah, and she's done a good job of
keeping that below the sea.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, she really really has. Yeah. He just talked about
the fact that his private life.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Was being commented on and looked out by the public
and YadA, YadA, YadA. But on the press to he's
just basically said, I'm really really proud of ari and
the work she's done on this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
She's poured herself into it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He really praises her comedy, chops and a comedic timing.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
What do you most appreciate about Ariana. She's the funniest
person with the planet.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I was actually taken by that too. Yeah, I thought
she had a stunning performance. Moving on to fan ai controversy, Claire,
did you see this a few months ago?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm so unaware of it? All right.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So Universal released the movie poster of Wicked, and pretty
quickly a fan edited the poster to mimic the original
Broadway production. Again, fan, it's very a musical based on
a book that is fan fiction from an original book
that was also made into a movie.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So the original Broadway poster is like, yeah, it's very matter. Okay,
take a look at this first. So this one here
is the actual poster and they edited it and you
can see that alpha bar, her eyes are a bit hidden.
They changed the color of her lips, and they changed
Ariana's hand slightly to make it look exactly like the
poster on Broadway. Okay, I just think it's hold on.
(18:00):
I just think everyone's spending too much time on the internet.
Because one, they can be different posters. You don't need
to edit anything, you know, well you can. But I
think I think it's the commentary about this that I
don't know. But I assume there's going to be outrage,
and I do think everyone needs to put down your phone,
go for a walk. You can sing define gravity in
(18:22):
real life alone. The fandom is intense, but so Cynthia. Yeah,
here's what Cynthia said.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
She didn't like it. Oh, she didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
She reposted the image very outrage okay, and she said,
this is the wildest most offensive thing I have seen,
equal to that awful ai of us fighting, equal to
people posing the question is your? And then she's got
a whole lot of stars green is your? There's five stars.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I don't know if it's like large I know
what starting with people?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah right. None of this is funny,
None of it is cute. It degrades me, It degrades us.
The original poster is an illustration. I'm a real human
being who chose to look right down the barrel of
the camera to you, the viewer. Da da da da
da our post dur is an homage, not in imitation.
Blah blah blah blah blah. That all of it is
just deeply hurtful.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We're taking it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Would you say that that poster is the most offensive
thing you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, I wouldn't. I think everyone needs to come well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ariana Grande was asked about Cynthia's reaction on the Red Carpet,
and she had the best answer in the history I've ever.
She said, it's very complicated because now she speaks like Glinda,
so she's like, it's very complicated.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I was gonna say, yes, her voice has fundamentally changed.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's higher, it's more airy.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's because I find a eyes so conflicting and troublesome sometimes.
But I think it's just kind of such a massive
adjustment period. And then she said, but I think it's
just kind of.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Such a massive adjustment period. And this is something that
is such a it's so much bigger than us, and
the fans are gonna have fun and make their edits,
but of course, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I sometimes it goes too far. I yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
And I have so much respect for my sister Cynthia,
and I love her so much, and you know, it's
it's just a big adjustment period. You know, it's like
so much stimulation about something that's so much bigger than us.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So, yeah, Claire Ai is conflicting in trouble. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
People have said I actually did know about that response,
but I didn't know what it was in response to
and people said it was actually she was clearly thinking
on her feet and trying not to get anybody in trouble.
But they were like, it's actually quite a good app
Ai is bigger than us. Yeah, it's all bigger than us,
and it is an adjustment period. And Cynthia is your
(20:39):
sister and you do love her so much. Speaking to
Entertainment tonight, Cynthia reflected on her response, and she said,
I'm passionate about it. I know that the fans are
passionate about it. I think for me it was just
a human moment of wanting to protect little Alphaba. She added,
I probably should have called my friends, but it's fine, Okay,
that's how all of us feel about the time we went.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Not for me, that sums up the Internet.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Every time I see someone get mad or jump on
a pylon, I think this is what your group chat
is full. Yeah, jump in the group chat and say
unhinged things and do a screenshot. You need to send
a screenshot to your friends, and you need to do
little arrows.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Great, there will draw function.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You can circle what you're mad about and draw an
arrow to it. What do you think we're doing in
our grip, Yeah, going off, going off necessarily about that,
about this, about that, Yeah, anyway, AI is conflicting and troublesome.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But I actually don't think this is a story about AI, Claire.
I think it's about photoshop. I don't know over riga fan.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, do you ever go so wicked fandom that Alpha
M cancels to or not?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Is that not something else.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'd say to Cynthia Riva where she's like, I'm protecting
little Alphaba. Sorry, don't say don't know which is fine.
You can't say that you're gonna actually get so many
people upset. I kept thinking alphabet is not real. I
was thinking that this is a fictional story. But you
actually can't say okay, sorry, okay, I'm gonna get in trouble.
(22:09):
Claire The Small Thing interview. We love when Australia gets
caught up in drama. Jeff, Remember how in twenty fourteen,
Ariana Grande reportedly left an Australian media photo shoot because
she didn't like how her top looked. Yeah, but then
she's here and she's like the land of ours. Yeah,
it's like she's so you left. I love being here
(22:31):
and It's like you did an MX photo shoot and
you didn't want the natural light and you wanted to
be only photographed.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
From your left side.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
MX didn't make it, andr, MX wasn't obeying your commands,
and you left and you never came back. And honestly,
respect respect you know from Glinda, you know what doesn't
exist anymore. Ex do we call her Glinda or GARLANDA
Superfans call her Garlinger, war gar Linda call her Glinda.
(23:05):
That's because her name's Glinda. Yeah, I think the Garlander
thing was just a joke. Superman's are like she's Garlander
for most of the film.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's what. Yeah. No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
In terms of Ariana walking out of MX, I just
want to say, Arianna, you're better than that, Like you're
better than MX. I don't know why you should never
have done MX, why you're put in that situation. Sorry, No,
I'm sorry and speaking very Australia to be like you
want to come and be an MX.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
We're probably going to cancel it next year.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And we won't take your request series. We'll treat you
like shit and then we'll write about it in the
Daily Mail.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
How about that? That's some fun Vogue Vogue, US will
take your request seriously.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But us this photographer who again isn't going to have
much next year he will be He's respect who will AnyWho?
Australia emparasales wells yet again with Ariana when an interview
with a radio personality went viral.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Jess, have you seen it? No?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I actually have our Wow Nova presenter Kent Smallsy Smalls.
I didn't know his first name.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I can't picture him.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Smallsey, Jesse be bald. You know Smallsey. You have seen
Smallsey at premieres, at media events. He's always okay, all right,
well yes, Smallsey okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He posted a clipped social media of him speaking to
Ariana and Cynthia about the movie, but straight away everyone
was like, wait, you're clearly far more interested in directing
your questions to Ariana. And someone did an analysis of
like how much he directed his questions towards Ariana versus
Cynthia and it was something like eighty twenty.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Like he clearly was like hard. I interviewed once Paul
Rudd and another man. Fuck it was hard. Oh no,
he was a man. It was for ant man.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But I was like, I respectfully, I don't know you respectfully.
Besides Paul, I just want to ask him questions. Yeah,
And that's the thing is that I'm not judging Smallsey
for this. I'm genuinely not because that happens a lot
in media, where you know you're going to get more
clicks on a story, more people are going to listen
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to your soundbites, more people are going to watch the videos. Yeah,
but that sucks for Cynthia, like she's literally the main character.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Absolutely, it really sucks for her.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But from Smallsey's perspective, he's clearly like, I'm doing this
for radio, and Ariana Grande in terms of celebrity, is
a bigger celebrity than Cynthia, So I'm going to direct
my questions to her. And it's like, dude, everybody got
to that point. I realized it was like a bit
of a dickhead thing. Yeah, and then even doubt their creation.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, but you run out of time, Jesse. I want
to show you some of the clip.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Mask you Ariana.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I heard a story that you obviously you wanted this
job of the role.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, your whole life, right.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Where were you when you got the call that said, yep,
we want you to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you remember what you were.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Doing that day?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I do, actually, but we both have really fun stories.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well we both have to tell them.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But you have a fun story. Tell your story. Well
I was in London, and well so everyone else is
in la And quickly, quickly, when are you bring ram
Beauty to Australia. This is what's like, Oh my god,
soon soon, we are working on it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And then the other question that the fans want to
know is music and tour and when will you be
coming back to Australia. Oh my goodness, we both yes,
well together, oh my god, we've both will come back
here as soon as we humanly possibly can.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yes, it is so great to see again Arianna.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It has been so many years.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you so much for the time. She is such
a pro, is a pro.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Everybody said, she is a masterclass in kind of deflecting
the awkward so really politely. Yeah, she could have been rude,
and we've seen those viral And I have a theory
that we'll get to about why this press to her
has looked like this, and I think it's in reaction
to that. It ends with us like lively drama than
the Anne Hathaway and all of these leaked interviews of
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celebrities being mean and they have done the exact opposite.
Yeah yeah, but he literally at the end just says
goodbye to Ariana.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh, like it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So he asks her how she felt when she received
the call notifying her that she had won the role
of Glinda, and doesn't ask Cynthia that question, and then
Arianna has to like even it out. Then Cynthia's talking
and smalls, he cuts her off to redirect questions to Arianna,
and then he asks her when she's going to be
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coming back for a tour, when her like makeup line
or something's gonna come to a stral. It's just very
like directing the questions to her and not very wicked. No,
And just the people were so upset because this is
the sort of thing that really upsets people on the
internet because they're protective. Yeah, there are comments such as
and they're like, I have a question for Cynthia. Yeah yeah,
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there are comments such as this in capitals. Stop disrespecting
Cynthia arivo wo wo Yeah. Yeah, he needs to be
fired immediately. This is super disrespectful. This movie is not
only about Glinda. Ariana Grande. This movie is about them both,
especially Cynthia's character. Everyone got really upset Jess that holding
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space in your power while defying gravity interview. Everyone thought
the Wicked Press Tour had reached peak Wicked Press Tour.
Ye and then Ariana Grande gently yet earnestly clutched onto
cynthia repos mail for emotional support while they discussed how
it is important to hold space for defying gravity. So
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much of this has been lost on me, but I
have watched this clip, yeah, fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I really enjoy it. I'm trying to be moved.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm trying to understand, and I cannot decode what is
being said. Well, everyone in this film is so profoundly
moved by themselves. Okay, and this interview sums it up.
The writer Hunter Harris put it beautifully on Substack when
she wrote what began as a regular junket interview without
dot COM's Tracy E. Gilchrist turned into an uncanny display
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of this ferocity of feeling. Gilchris's interview starts off as
normal as any junket interview could. Now that junkets are
more how much can I leave an impression on this
famous person unless traditional question and answer. Yes, that is
such a good point. Erry, I'm going to impress the celebrity. Yeah,
I'm just gonna have a moment with a celebrity. Does
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this serve anyone else?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
No? No, no, am I going to ask them anything?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That it will make for a video which will have
seven million hits on TikTok. It'll make for a video
that will be good on my socials?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, really really good for my kind of platform.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Why else are we doing anything if not for a
video on my social At some point during one of
Gilchris's questions to Grante, she starts clutching a Rebos fingernail.
Everything's fine, yeah, but she does onto it promotional support.
And then there's the exchange and Jess, I'm going to
play the interviewer, okay, and you're going to play Cynthia Arrivo.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My question is do you think you've watched this enough
to really get the emotion right?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm the journalist. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
This week people are taking the lyrics to define gravity
and really holding space with that and feeling power in that.
Would you touch on that moment in the film when
Alphaba has been banished, and yet she comes into her
full power at that moment of the worst time, overcome
with emotion. That's in brackets.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I didn't know that was happening. I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
That's really powerful. That's what I wanted. I didn't know
that was happening. At this point, the journalist is clearly
stressed because she doesn't know what they're talking about. I
think that often. Ariana doesn't either. No, she's like, I've
missed it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I tuned out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon the journalists wedding because she's like,
I think Cynthia, though, has misunderstood what I said, which
is fair because I also don't know what I mean.
And now it's done and I can't watch it. Yeah,
I'm in the moment because it's one of those things.
I get it all the time when I'm interviewing people.
Because you're a little bit nervous, you start a question,
you go, I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I don't know where this is going, and.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Then you finish, and then then you both look at
each other and you're like, please save me.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And when you live, you have last about holding.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Space shown me a journalist who was not huge about
holding space.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You're holding space for defying gravity? Is very there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Paras around this interview, and I felt myself bump up
against every single one until I landed in this nowhing space. Okay, okay,
back to the interview, yap. I've seen it on a
couple of posts. I don't know how wide spread, but
you know, I am in queer media, so that's my
You know, at this point, the journalist is killing time.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
She wants to let the.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Interview end so no one ever has to address the misunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And Cynthia goes, yeah, but yeah, it's happened.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
What Cynthia didn't ask that, but I'm asking as a viewer,
what has happened?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
So I tried to work out what the journalist was
talking about, okay, in terms of people holding space with
the lyrics to define gravity. Variety interviewed that journalist and
this is what they asked, Yeah, do you recall any
of the posts that inspired your question? For Cynthia and Ariana,
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And she says this, most of it actually came from
a conversation with a friend. I was using that to
tee up the question, and I was a little thrown
off by Cynthia's response because it was so sincere and real.
I was a little flustered. I could have said I
have all these friends and this is our conversation, but
instead I said I'm in queer media. I have so
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done that. I have said, oh my god, have you
seen that x y Z? And if anyone interrogated me
on it, I'd be like link. I'd be like, I'm
gonna be real. My mom sent me a link and
it might be fake news. Didn't actually open it. But
it's so like you just had a conversation with a
friend and then you're like, there's this you know, thing
that's happening, and she's like, I don't know that was
and you're like, it's not except privately, except privately with
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me and my friend.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Mean to hold space for defining gravity? Excuse me? Can
they use that space?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Or are you holding it?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You can't?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Sorry, I'm holding it. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
May I ask what you're holding it for?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think we both know?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Is it the lyrics of define gravity?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Was walking beautiful? I didn't know people were doing that.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She also said earlier in the interview that she did
see a man named Tony Morrison who is like a
director glad he had posted the lyrics for defining gravity.
I guess that's holding bad. I think I think that's
what she meant by holding space. So my question is
I think seen the movie last night. I know I'm
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dating only serious. Have you been holding space during the
scene of Defying Gravity? I held space and I held space?
What did that like? I didn't look at my phone. Okay,
I didn't look at my phone, and I watched the
scene and that scene went for two hours, and I
was like, I'm just here holding space.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Is that the scene that everyone cried?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Because I keep saying all these no, we've seen that
everyone cried in was the one the dance the ball?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, it was beautiful. That was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I didn't cry, but okay, yeah, because there were people
crying at the end of the movie, and I was like,
with that, I just wanted were holding Hey, no, what
are we crying out?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Come on, I want to cry, but I don't know
what cry. Can you explain I missed something? Because it's
like I think they must have been holding space? Yeah,
and that's why they were. What is the thing that's happening? Yeah,
I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen a couple of posts
Jesse memes. Okay, I want you to read out the
memes that have erupted in response to holding space define Gravity.
(35:19):
So this is a picture of Kimi kardash Hian and
it says, get your fucking ass up and hold space
for the lyrics of defying gravity. It's like, no one
wants to hold space for the lyrics of define gravity anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Love it? Very true, Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I couldn't help, but wonder if Big could hold space
for the lyrics of defying gravity, why couldn't he hold.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Space for me? That's so true? Excellent, babe. What's wrong?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
You've barely held space and felt the power and the
lyrics of defying gravity. Then we've got Hey, a bunch
of us are outside holding space for cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You want to join.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But if you're holding space and I'm in queer media,
then who the hell is gravity? I also like, this
is how close I am to losing it? And it
is Ariana just gently touched touching. It's not she doesn't
have all the It's kind of how you'd pick up
a chopstick. Is how she's holding her holding as nails. Yeah,
and then the last one is if I'm holding space
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with the lyrics of defying gravity and you're in queer media,
then who the hell is holding his finger?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I really love it.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
How weird everything has Yeah, yeah, a nonsensical yeah. Before
I ask me what I'm doing tonight, asked me what
I'm doing tonight? And what happened? God, I said, hey, Clari,
free tonight, and you said, let me just check my calendar.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And then you had a diary invite.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well you had a block which was about you holding
space for define gravity tonight, so you can't do anything.
I think that would be lovely. Yeah, I just want
to hold o wan hold space for define gravity. That
you should see when you google holding space for the
lyrics of defining gravity. Things that come up, what is
holding space? A psychologist defines what holding space is, and
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then it's like holding space for the lyrics of defying
gravity explained the best memes.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I'm like, this is so weird. My pop, We're
in a ninety seven year old pop would be so confused, Claire.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It is time for a list of all the things
that have made Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arivo cry. I
straight up do not understand what's happening during the press tour.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating. I am simply
not following.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
But I'm not bothering either.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It is the opposite, as I said to the it
ends with US press tour, and it is also the
opposite to the Madam Webb press tour, Ah where Dakota
Johnson openly detested her own film and when there was
a literal earthquake, she didn't emote.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
She was like, I think there was an earthquake.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
She was like, can you imagine and Ariana Thede squeal,
sol cry and they'd be like, we hold space.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Here's a list of questions and all statements that have
made Cynthia and Ariana cry. And this is from a
compilation of like interviews on the internet. Okay, what ways
has the person sitting next to you changed you?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
For good? Lot?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, Okay, I have read a stupid amount of interviews
since watching the film.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And I will say.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
No, please, please, I'm not mad. I just can't understand.
All right, all right, here's the thing, Pressed who is now?
And people are gonna hate me for saying this, Pressed,
whours are just an extension of the film. They're just
they're just They're just an extension. It's like, I'm going
to pretend to be Alphabet. You're going to pretend to
be Glinda in a press to a context, in an interview.
What would Glinda do? What would Alphabet do? And so
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it's just all an extension and it's worked like it's
the number one movie. They have done a remarkable job.
I'm watching all of them. But if we want to
kind of buy into that, Wicked is an excellent story
in terms of following story structure and challenging our ideas
about perspective and who people are, and have female friendship,
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incredible representation, all of that excellent. And I do think
if you just look at the characters of Glinda and Alphaba,
what Ariana Grande has said is that she has got
a lot of strength from Cynthia, and Cynthia's like, I've
been able to be a bit softer, and I feel
that I took the start a lot.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I hop that well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Mm Rosciano told Cynthia, you fucking did it, babe.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I didn't know how the movie was going to do that,
Just that changing of levels. I don't want to get
anything away. But when you read the Inner Child stuff
and the did she like dissolve? Yes, oh yeah, oh
Cynthia fucking did it? Babe? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And Cynthia sob stopped. She was like, was one of
the early sobs. Yeah, sobs? And I went wow, what Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Excellent interview. You've really got them to unlock emotion. And
then I was like absolutely viral. Yeah, and then I
was like, oh, we're crying all over the place, an
interviewer telling her it's indesscribable how you feel when when
you watch it. And also these are just some quotes
that they've given through interviews because they're very like they'll
say to an interviewer, you are very good. Oh see,
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i'd lose it. We love you. You are such a gift.
Oh beautiful, which again it's very in character. Georgie Tunney
telling them what a friend's kid had said after watching it,
which is you have to be good and you have
to be kind to everybody, and she is a good witch.
That one actually did get me and it got Cynthia.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And sorry, just in terms of literally the only thing
that they haven't done in terms of just making Ariana
Glinda and Cynthia. Alphaba is paint Cynthia green. Yeah, but
Cynthia has the nails, these ridiculously over the top nails,
and she's still blond. It's like they still look like
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their character.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They sat in an interview with the original Glinda and
Alphaba and the original Alpha bar began by saying it
was a great tribute. The view hadn't even begun and
said it was a great tribute. Ariana breakdown. They cried
because they were in a parking lot because and I quote,
they've come through a massive, massive thing. This is where
I go, I'm missing something. Something has occurred. This film
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is about something else, and I haven't properly dissected what
the pointless Unless some people are like this is just
theater kids, they just moved, yes, and I'll get to that.
Mariana said the stuff you don't see is the most
special stuff. And at that point, she actually fell to
the ground. Have you seen her fall to the ground?
And wait and then she crawls out. An interviewer asked
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Ariana about the credits where her name appears as Ariana
Grande but Terra. Yeah, Claire, what did you do? She
cried silently, she couldn't ask, and it's weird. I've great
weight of getting out.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Of answering the question. Yeah, I got silence.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Stare at them, and it also makes the interviewer feel
quite good because like, oh, is that an emotional question?
I touched a nerve is going to be very happy. Yea,
What do we think is happening? Because the first theory
is we've got the theater kids, people who seeing might
feel more deeply one hundred percent. We do neither, and
so we're looking at it going excuse me, yeah, can
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you loop us in? We're confused about what's happening? Or
is this an Oscars thing? Okay, it is definitely an
Oscars thing, because remember like the Lady Cooper, Bradley Cooper,
Lady Gaga, like, you've got to keep playing the characters yep,
out of the context of the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know who invented that rule, but someone did.
The other thing is people think that they're going a
little bit earnest because when Barbie did the press too,
it was very light and Barbie didn't remember. Barbie got
snubbed for quite a lot of nominations. I wonder too
if it ends with us felt too light given its
subject matter. Yeah, and they're like, well, you know what,
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we're gonna go too hard.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, we're gonna make this it's.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
About a witch. Yeah, but we're just gonna wait. But
we're gonna weep as though. This is about like the
end of time. Yes, this is about the apocalypse, Clara,
I want to move on to the actual movie. And
I just think fire just notes ye notes that we
had first out.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
What did you think? What do you make of it?
I was moved, Okay, I actually loved every moment I
held space. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I held space with Jonathan Bailey. I'll tell you that
sexy boys very sexy. And you didn't know what a
Jonathan Bailey mean until the movie. And I kept yelling
at you things like Bridgeton and you were like, own
watch Bridgeton and then you understood, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You're so sexy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I genuinely loved every moment. Didn't look at my phone once.
Absolute perfection. I did not expect to feel that because
I am cynical and resistant in that when the culture
is looking at something and praising it, I'm like, not me,
I'm too good for that. And I went into it
thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And I loved it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I thought there were some strong moments and okay, well
what could be cut down?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Okay, what strong moments?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I liked the song popular because I knew that from TikTok. Yeah,
and I liked the song to Fine Gravity.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Did you like that the dance with Ariana and Cynthia
where they like I thought they did, but I kept
I had been told there was a scene ah that
you know, made everyone cry, And I did get to
the end and say, what was that scene?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And did I miss it?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Because I didn't cry during that.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I did think early on a plot hole I had.
I had an issue with the plot. I've got a plot.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
I'll go.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, Glinda paid for her own sweet she did at
the college. She was meant to have her own sweat.
And then we've got Alphabra over here not paying. I
don't know how she's enrolled because she didn't enroll, she
didn't pay. She should have been sharing with her sister, well,
shouldn't have even been there, really, And then you've paid
for your own room and you get a room mate.
How did Alphaba have any clothes because she didn't pack
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a suitcase?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Wow? Right, there weren't any shops that I saw. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah. It wasn't a great makeover, was it. When Glinda
makes her over, she looks very much the same she does.
I kept thinking about the green makeup and how they
would have needed like green bronzer. I also thought about
when she smiled the one if she got green in
her teeth. You know how you get lipstick on your tae.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Also her lips were green, I know, but that's why
I thought, it's amazing that it never gets on it.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then I also thought she
would be going home after filming and they'd just be
green in a hairline. Yeah, it's so annoying, very much.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
My plot hole was that dance scene that everybody's been
talking about. Ha, Why why the dance? Where did the
dance come from? Why did she start dancing? I think
that it was meant to show that she was attempting
to do a dance and like do something cool, and
it was meant to be weird and unusual, and everyone's
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laughing at her, and then Glinda is like No, I
got that. I got the inclusiveness, I got the beauty
of the moment.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It's meant to be symbolic. I got the beauty of
the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I just it was more the inciting incident of that
scene that I was a bit confused. You walk in,
You're wearing a funny hat. Everyone laughed at you. Do
you start so true?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Actually start dancing? Or do you run away? Yeah? So true?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I also wanted to just put it on the record.
Did you know that Universal had two musicals that they
had the rights to. They've had the rights to Wicked
for forever. Super fans have been waiting for this for decades,
and in twenty nineteen, well a little bit before that,
they were like, we get to decide whether we do Wicked,
and they pushed Wicked back. Do you know why they
pushed Wicked back? Because they prioritize cats. A prioritized cats.
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What can you imagine getting that caliber of cast making
them all look like cats? What's the point, what's the
point of James Corden got a Rebel Wilson, We have
Jennifer Hudson, We've got a Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Don't know who's who? They all Allo like Cats. Judy Dench's
in it. No, how humiliated. Cats is never it. Cats
isn't never it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
But it's confusing because it has been on Broadway for
a really long time. It's like rent, I don't think
you don't have to turn it into a movie.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Claire.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It is time for charges and sentences. You can go
best my charge. Firstly, I actually am here for holding
space for the lyrics of fine Gravity. I haven't had
you've done it since that's not not actively.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
But as you said in the moment, okay, yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I really I was moved. I think it's an excellent
work of art. I would say to anyone who thinks
they're not gonna like it. I expected to be bored.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
I was not bored.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I was thoroughly entertaining the whole time. I want a
Wicked themed theme park. Have I said yet that I
had to leave two thirds of the way through to
get another snack? No, I can't remember because I'm so tired. Yeah,
but I got crispy Eminem's. But it was a bit
that I was like, if we've got another hour, I
might as well get some Eminem's.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
My charge is to do with the earnestness.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I think we really have to interrogate these press tours
because what we need to acknowledge is that that's a movie.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
These are characters.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah right, it's not real. Alphabat as a baby fiction,
she's green, Yeah, she's green. Yeah, it's not real. No
stories powerful make us feel all of human life is really.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Just a story. Yeah right, but it is a story.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Okay, okay, And I needn't go No, I need more
press to its where people show up as themselves, not
the character. You don't want that, no, I do don't
want that now.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
I think Black Lava did that. She got in so
much trouble.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Ye, No, that was different. That was different because she
was actually showing up as whatever her name was, because.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
She was all flowery. Is that your sentence? No? No, sorry, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
My sentence is show up as who you are and
show us, if you're making an OSCARS campaign, right, show
us what a good actor you were by being yourself
so that we can see how you transformed yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
We don't think you're acting. We don't think Mariana Grande
is Glinda.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And yeah, yeah, Arianna, go back to your brown hair,
go back to your like go back to that start.
You're weird feud with Mariah Care, you know, like, be
somebody who's very distinct from Glinda. It's like when you
see the Oppenheimer press to her, and it's like that
guy's accents different. Y, whoa, you did an accent? Yeah,
(49:21):
Alpha Butt in the movie has an American accent. Yeah,
And Cynthia Arrivo has a British accent. Amazing, blows my mind. Incredible.
So be yourself, be your authentic self. Yeah, you don't
have to be Alphava on your Instagram in interviews.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And I think I will say, we don't need to
be profoundly moved by everything. Okay, my charge, I interrogated this.
I feel left out. Ah, I feel profoundly left out
by this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Mm hmm. It's making me uncomfortable, it's making me defensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
I just had a meeting with someone in the office
who was quite frustrated that I.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Don't get it. No, I don't get it. People are annoyed.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's creating. Why are all the gen Z's crying? Yeah,
that's what she said, And okay, no, I get that.
My sentence is send me the link. I feel as
though before this we were all reading something. Yeah, I
didn't know we had recently gone back to watch the
nineteen thirty nine Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Did we?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I think some people on TikTok did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I feel like there's a reading list like you get
at Uni. There's the law, Yeah, but going to need
you to talk me. There's like there's like the course
Wicked Wizard of Oz and I'll do the course vibe.
Of course, that's still a weekend course. Send it to me,
I'll pay you. Yeah, But I need to feel part
of something. I've got a year now till the next
(50:41):
part comes out. I would like to be a part
of it. I'd like to be on it. I'd like
to see the Easter eggs. I do often feel out
of the loop in cultural moments like this, Yes, where
I go, I don't know who these people are. I
didn't know that this was arounda Grande's dream role.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I didn't. I simply didn't know any of it.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
No, No, I don't like that, all right, Jess, I've
got a lazy girl story.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Who from this is from Olivia. She's a lazy girl.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Lazy girl here, I would say, I'm average height, but
my pant length would say otherwise. I simply will not
be hemming my pants no matter their length. I tried
stapling them up, but the staples fell out or cut
my ankles.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
This is very Ariana.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, so now I only wear my long pants in
winter and will wear my heeled boots so that they
only just touched the floor. Find me a lazy girl
who's ever gone to an alterationist. Everyone's like, I just
get it altered?
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Where? How much? With what time? How did you remember
to go and then to pick it up? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
My other thing is one time I saw somebody and
they say, oh, I just get my jeans, and I
looked down and I went, they're too short.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
They're just a little bit too short.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
And that's what I imagine buying clothes and being like,
I'll just get those hemmed.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I was thinking that the other day.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I'll just try that on a list and then go
and and like you on like a Saturday. Yeah, I
was gonna order some clothes online and I was like, oh,
I can have a buy stuff online because it just
never fits properly.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
And I was like, I guess I could get a
older you know, speaking of laser girls. Bloke.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Recently, my husband went to an alterations got holes in
both his pockets. Every time I've put his phone in
his pockets, it falls down into his stock and it's
it's very happy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
And he went and he said, you think you can
sew my pockets back up?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Lady said no, why speaking of a lazy girl, sim wonder.
I looked at it and I went, I can't sew,
but I could sew together. Yeah, stay for them him seventy,
but care and he doesn't know how long it takes.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
He doesn't know how much this has meant to cost.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I got a couple of things altered for my wedding,
and I remember thinking, Lady.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I'm being taken for a ride, aren't I?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
But this is my wedding and therefore I will spend
thousands of dollars on absurdity.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Before we go.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I also wanted to ask our canceled listeners, if you
like this show, then please leave us a review, because
we have got some that have really tickled us.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Oh, they make us live.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Did you see some of these recently, Claire, We've got
some great reviews from canceled listeners that just make me giggle.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
We got this review from Jordan L. Morris.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
It is Fight Stars and it says it's weird what
they do. Weird is in good. It's very specific what
they do and unique and I appreciate them. What episode
was Are you joking that you don't remember what that's from?
That was the Sexy Boy, Oh, Andrew Garfield, Amelia Moldenburg
(53:38):
and we said it would be the biggest compliment if
somebody said that to us.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
That's really kind, I know, actually really kind. We have
canceled law, Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
There were a couple of things today that I almost
was going to bring up previous episodes, and then I think, oh,
it's just too confusing for new listeners, and then I think,
a new listener.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
The producer have canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production
by Leah Porgies.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Bye Bye,
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and
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to Canceled, The Lazy Girl's Guide to Pop Culture.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Jesse Stephens and I'm Claire Stephens.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And speaking of canceled, we are about to be canceled
because what we're going to do today is unpack the
biggest movie of the year. Some would say of all time.
I would say the moment, at the moment, until Gladiator
is out.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think it is out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh yeah, no, I think Gladiator is out. I mean
until we've all seen Gladiat We're okay. The movie we're
talking about is Wicked.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Fellow Ouzian, the Wicked Winter of the West is dead.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You agree, I am. We were a mess that day. Yeah,
we are almost doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And because we're singing, it lives.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's how we sound together. I just had a thought
right now, and I thought to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
If we were instruments, what will be I was like,
you and Glinda would be a flupe and alphabet. I
think would be a clarinet.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I've seen this week people are taking the lyrics of
defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling
power in that.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I didn't know that that was happening.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've seen it. Yeah, that's really powerful.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
We're not haters.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We are not haters, despite the title of our podcast
and our general and our general energy, not haters. We
love a musical. Have we seen Weeket at the theater twice?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I believe I've seen it in London. Wow, that's not
like you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, the Wizard of Oz slaps. We are on the
same page about that. Yeah. Do we entirely understand Wicked?
The first two times I saw it at the theater,
not fully, And I think that is an indictment on me.
There was so much that I was so into the
plot of the film Wicked because I was like, this
is all brand.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
New to me.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though I knew.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Two of the songs popular and defying Gravity, couldn't remember
how she got great. This episode will be an attempt
to process what is happening, because literally everyone's crying, they're
holding space for their power, they're saying phrases. It don't
seem to make sense. As culture critic Hunter Harris put it,
the Wicked press tour has defied reason, language boundaries, and manicures.
(02:54):
And this is really just the beginning. Our structure for
today is as follows, and warning this is going to
be unnecessarily comprehensive.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, what are we canceling today?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because I thought we were doing a canceled episode on
the Wicked press tour, but you seem to have broadened it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I have because what.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We did is last night, you and I went to
see the film. We frantically went to see frantically went
to the film. We have a cousin who loves musicals,
and we called him at four o'clock and we said,
we're picking you up, mate, We're going to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We're going to get popcorn. There's gonna be a frozen coat.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And he said, I'll be there with my good theater
pants on, and he was and we had a lovely time.
And I feel that because we've seen it, we should comment. Okay, well,
there be spoilers.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I don't know what a spoiler is.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
At this point, most people know the story because they
were concentrating when they saw it at Yeah, okay. My
structure is the affair fan Ai controversy, the small zy
interview that holding space in your power while defying gravity interview,
a list of all the things that have made Cynthia
Rivo ariana grande cry. I tried to have everything I could.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, you can't. There's not enough time. Someone needs to
write a yes.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And finally, some notes on the actual movie before we
really get into it. What is Wicked and from Wednesday originate?
I thought I would do a bit of a cliff note.
I'm confused because there's a prequel and there's a sequel,
and there's a part one, and there's Oz, and there's Wicked,
and there's Wizard, and there's Yellow Brick Road, and there's
Dorothy and there's Toto.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There's just so much.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's like, you know, the tin Man is
actually fred Di Ico And I'm like, who's Frederico?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, isn't tin Man? Tin Man?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, that's not his name either, Frederico. No, No, I
can't remember that. But there's a story of the Wizard
of Oz written in the year nineteen hundred. Wow, and
it was made into a film with Judy Garland in
nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Is that the one I've seen?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Fabulous film, fabulous. In nineteen ninety five, they had color
TV in nineteen thirty, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
In nineteen ninety five, a man named Gregory Maguire published
a novel called Wicked, The Life and Times of the
Wicked Witch of the West. It was a revisionist exploration
of the characters from The Wizard of Oz, the protagonist
being the witch Alphaba, and it looked at themes of
evil versus nurture, social ostracism, radicalization, terrorism, propaganda, and life purpose.
(05:16):
Apparently he was quite influenced by the James Bolger case.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Remember in the UK.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That was a case a little boy who was killed
by Yeah, and it was he was interested in what
makes someone evil anyway? So wait in that novel, did
he go back in human and humanize Alpha Bar. That's
what he did in two thousand and three. It was
then made into a Tony Award winning Broadway show, and
in November of this year the movie was released, starring
(05:40):
Cynthia Arrivo as Alpha Ba and Ariana Grande as a
good witch Glinda. If you're like, what is an alphabat
and what does it do? That's how we felt literally
this time twenty four hours. Yeah, yeah, And we had,
as aforementioned, seen the musical we can't, for the life
of us tell you what happens in part two. We
walked out and everyone was like, have you seen the movie
(06:01):
the music? I was like, yeah, ya, yeah, I've just
seen the musical. Well you'll know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I thought that was the end till it said to
be continued. I was like, I'm satisfied. I don't need
to know it. I feel fool rung a bell with
the monkeys following the winch. Not sure if you feel
like this, but it is as though the world can
be split into two camps. The first only think about Wicked.
It's their favorite musical of all time. The second is
(06:30):
like when did we all become on first name basis
with Alphaba? Like when and how did you get so
into Wicked?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And like why do you know the law?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The They're like, Ariana, she always wanted to be in this,
but the thing they forget And I only know this
because I saw it on TikTok about an hour ago.
Ariana Grande wanted to play Alpha ba What Yeah, no,
she said, Elfie was a dream roll Wow, okay, okay.
The thing I've realized is that the reason we didn't
(07:03):
realize these two camps existed before. Is because Wicked before
now has rarely come up in conversation. No, so I'm
seeing people outing themselves as mad Wicked fans. They're like,
when I studied Wicked, Yeah, I've seen it on Broadway,
and when I saw the theater production, I did not.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I'm like, oh, you were keeping that in there?
You were keeping that in why?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And then they're like, yeah, notice how alphable went haha,
Well that's that alphabar, but the other alphabat was more
like and I'm like what, I'm also really tired. I
would like that on the record, because we did see
a seven pm session. Yeah, and then that finished at
four am, which is when my baby worke up, So
very very tired. Okay, we're going to begin with the affair. Claire,
(07:46):
you have some information on the affair. In the lead
up to the Wicked press tour, there was a lot
of talk about a love that blossomed on the set
of the movie. I know, we're not talking about the
love between Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Though much has said of that, which we will.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Hold space for separately and repeatedly later in this episode.
I'm talking about the love between Ariana Grande and her
literal lover Boch.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Is that his name?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It sounds like when my baby can't say a word properly,
like block.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It sounds like when she says mock when she wants
her milk.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah. Well, his name's Ethan Slater. Firstly, what is an
Ethan Slatter? Great question because.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I've never seen I've never seen that man before in
my life, like Ethan Slater.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
The culture does this. The culture loves to be like
remember with the this is us? Well, what was that mean?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
This?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It ends with us? And everyone knew who that man was,
And I was like, she knew who it was.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We weren't on first name basis with him before this
press to the press to have happened. We all pretended
to be and now we can't remember. No, and that's
the deal with Ethan Slater seems lovely. Not a household man.
Ethan Slater is a Broadway star known for his role
as SpongeBob square Pants in SpongeBob square Pants the musical
(09:06):
No No, But with the musical he received a Tony
Award No Nation Okay. In Wicked, he plays a munchkin
named Boch. Grande and Slater were both legally married to
other people when they met on the set. Who was
around marriage, Yeah, great question, Dalton Gomez. Who's Dalton was
(09:26):
her husband? Okay, yeah, husband of a couple of years.
And then Ethan Slater was married to his high school sweetheart,
Lily Jay that's lovely, with whom he had just had
a baby, one year old, one year old little boy.
So they welcomed that baby boy in August twenty twenty two.
Filming for Wicked starts in December twenty twenty two. That's
(09:50):
not sounding good. So in January twenty twenty three, Grande
separates from her husband, so that's early the next year.
TMZ claimed their relationship suffered after the pandemic restrictions were
lifted because Gomez was taken aback by his wife's fame.
Oh sir, your wife is literate, Ariana Grande.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
When she licked a donut? Yeah yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Have you heard songs such as break Free or Into
You or no Tears Left to Cry, which it appears
as premature because she did in fact, many tears left
to cry about Wicked? But mate, literally check your phone,
turn on your television, turn on the radio. Yeah, your
wife is the literal and actual Ariana Grande.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
That's very a man.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, being like like I didn't realize you were yeah famous,
I'm sorry. I'm Mariana fucking Grande. There's gonna be paparazzi.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
We've been in COVID for too long and you forgot.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But in March twenty twenty three, Grande and Slater a
photograph together with the cast. You know when the cast
hangs out socially, it was one of those. In May,
Grande shared a photo of her husband to celebrate their
second wedding anniversary. I think they tried to get back
together for a little bit. Then later that month she
deleted a whole lot of photos from her grid and
it was clearly like something's happened. In July, there's news
(11:08):
that they're headed for divorce, and in the same month,
the rumors about Grande and Slater start to surface. Slater
had shared a Mother's Day post about Lily j in May,
saying like she's great mother, and Ariana Grande had liked it.
A few days after the rumors went public, Slater filed
(11:30):
for divorce from Jay. Then the day after that, and
it's like, guys, do you not have work to do?
You're doing a lot of filing for divorce. Yeah. I
think that this plays into my theory that theater kids
feel things more deeply than everyone else. It is reminiscent
of Hugh Jackman and the Chick from Younger who met
on Broadway and actually feel there are some intense love
(11:52):
affairs bubbling in musicals when you look into each other's
eyes and you sing, I've never had the experience, but
he is to be bonding. I thought that was a
thing about which we did not speak out loud.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh no, we do. Oh okay, yeah, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Jackman and Satain Foster, certain Foster, Okay, we're talking about it.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Really sad for Deborah. Debrah's okay. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
On the day after that, so, the day after the
rumors go public, Lily J gives a short interview to
page six, and she describes Grande as not a girl's girl.
She says, my family is just collateral damage. The story
is her and Dalton. According to an anonymous source, Slater
(12:36):
and Jay had been separated for two months before he
pursued a relationship with Grande and it's like, mate, that
is definitely your source defending you. Two months ain't long enough.
You have a child? You do, you do have a child.
Your wife gave birth. Yeah, I wonder if her and
Cynthia are on the press tour a bit ariana kind
of building up her reputation.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Girl. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Definitely a sauce said Ethan's trying to take the high
road and hopes he can resolve this situation for the
sake of their child. There's all this protection going on.
Then in September, Grande and O's file for divorce at
the same time, citing irreconcilable differences aka Haryana is fully
having a relationship with a lunch Okay, the munch can
(13:22):
thing like even speaking of wicked law much can Land?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Can I get a quick explain?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah? Is that like a It's like a postcard. It's
giving Hobbit, giving Hobbits all right to me. Parallel universes
Hobbit and Hobbit, hobbitin Okay and munch can Land. I reckon,
they I reckon, there'd be I reckon. There's a multiverse,
(13:48):
the Spider Man universe where hobbiton and munch can Land intersect.
I think ant Man's there, yeah, and ant Man's just
like pow wow wow honey. Apparently, Grande was very determined
to keep her relationship with Later out of the spotlight,
because the source said, this entire situation has been blown
(14:09):
out of proportion, and it's much different than what has
been portrayed in public. In September, Grande and Slater went
to Disney World together and they were photographed linking arms.
Grande has also been spotted at one of Slater's Broadway musicals,
like The Opening Night and SpongeBob or a different one. No, no, no,
different one. This is called spam Alot. It's like a
(14:31):
Monty Python music because imagine I reckon. Obviously it's Tony
like award nominated. It's like obviously a good no. But
imagine you're seeing someone with musical theater and you're like,
oh my god, who do you play? Do you play
Romeo in and Juliet? Are you in Lame Meares? Are
you in Hamilton? And they're like, no, no, no more.
I'm SpongeBob. I'm SpongeBob. It's one step higher than honestly
(14:54):
playing Shrek. And I've seen Trek the musical, and it
was lovely. It was a delight, sure, but SpongeBob ain't sexy.
It's a bit wiggles. It's a little bit waggles. So
they've been to all these musicals together. They're very like
musical theater darlings.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. I got that from their date at Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah. Then in September twenty four, just before the Wicked
Press who had started, Grande was interviewed for Vanity Fair
and she said, it definitely doesn't get any easier seeing
some of the negativity that was birthed by disreputable tabloids.
Of course, I went through a lot of life changes
during the filming of this movie. A lot of people
that were working on it did. And she says she
(15:34):
will never go into certain details, and the most disappointing
part was to see so many people believe the worst
version of it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And clearly she dog matter Munchkin.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And then in an interview with GQ in October, Slater
was asked, you also fell in love making this movie.
Can you tell me a little bit about what that
was like? And he said, that's a really sweet question.
That's really nice of you to ask. That's a really
sweet question. And I think that's important because it's like
he's being earnest on this press tour as well.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
A lot of people have said, Ethan.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You blow up your marriage for a small part. It
might be bigger in part two. I'm just saying in
part one it was it was small.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It was small.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Have you seen everybody talking about the chemistry that they
had during the movie? No, Yeah, there are full articles
analyzing their chemistry, And I'm like, guys, it was a look.
It was one look. It was one look, and I
didn't see it. I did not see it. They were
simply acting. Yeah, and she's done a good job of
keeping that below the sea.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, she really really has. Yeah. He just talked about
the fact that his private life.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Was being commented on and looked out by the public
and YadA, YadA, YadA. But on the press to he's
just basically said, I'm really really proud of ari and
the work she's done on this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
She's poured herself into it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He really praises her comedy, chops and a comedic timing.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
What do you most appreciate about Ariana. She's the funniest
person with the planet.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I was actually taken by that too. Yeah, I thought
she had a stunning performance. Moving on to fan ai controversy, Claire,
did you see this a few months ago?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm so unaware of it? All right.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So Universal released the movie poster of Wicked, and pretty
quickly a fan edited the poster to mimic the original
Broadway production. Again, fan, it's very a musical based on
a book that is fan fiction from an original book
that was also made into a movie.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So the original Broadway poster is like, yeah, it's very matter. Okay,
take a look at this first. So this one here
is the actual poster and they edited it and you
can see that alpha bar, her eyes are a bit hidden.
They changed the color of her lips, and they changed
Ariana's hand slightly to make it look exactly like the
poster on Broadway. Okay, I just think it's hold on.
(18:00):
I just think everyone's spending too much time on the internet.
Because one, they can be different posters. You don't need
to edit anything, you know, well you can. But I
think I think it's the commentary about this that I
don't know. But I assume there's going to be outrage,
and I do think everyone needs to put down your phone,
go for a walk. You can sing define gravity in
(18:22):
real life alone. The fandom is intense, but so Cynthia. Yeah,
here's what Cynthia said.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
She didn't like it. Oh, she didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
She reposted the image very outrage okay, and she said,
this is the wildest most offensive thing I have seen,
equal to that awful ai of us fighting, equal to
people posing the question is your? And then she's got
a whole lot of stars green is your? There's five stars.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I don't know if it's like large I know
what starting with people?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah right. None of this is funny,
None of it is cute. It degrades me, It degrades us.
The original poster is an illustration. I'm a real human
being who chose to look right down the barrel of
the camera to you, the viewer. Da da da da
da our post dur is an homage, not in imitation.
Blah blah blah blah blah. That all of it is
just deeply hurtful.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We're taking it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Would you say that that poster is the most offensive
thing you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No, I wouldn't. I think everyone needs to come well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ariana Grande was asked about Cynthia's reaction on the Red Carpet,
and she had the best answer in the history I've ever.
She said, it's very complicated because now she speaks like Glinda,
so she's like, it's very complicated.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I was gonna say, yes, her voice has fundamentally changed.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's higher, it's more airy.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's because I find a eyes so conflicting and troublesome sometimes.
But I think it's just kind of such a massive
adjustment period. And then she said, but I think it's
just kind of.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Such a massive adjustment period. And this is something that
is such a it's so much bigger than us, and
the fans are gonna have fun and make their edits,
but of course, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I sometimes it goes too far. I yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
And I have so much respect for my sister Cynthia,
and I love her so much, and you know, it's
it's just a big adjustment period. You know, it's like
so much stimulation about something that's so much bigger than us.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So, yeah, Claire Ai is conflicting in trouble. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
People have said I actually did know about that response,
but I didn't know what it was in response to
and people said it was actually she was clearly thinking
on her feet and trying not to get anybody in trouble.
But they were like, it's actually quite a good app
Ai is bigger than us. Yeah, it's all bigger than us,
and it is an adjustment period. And Cynthia is your
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sister and you do love her so much. Speaking to
Entertainment tonight, Cynthia reflected on her response, and she said,
I'm passionate about it. I know that the fans are
passionate about it. I think for me it was just
a human moment of wanting to protect little Alphaba. She added,
I probably should have called my friends, but it's fine, Okay,
that's how all of us feel about the time we went.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Not for me, that sums up the Internet.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Every time I see someone get mad or jump on
a pylon, I think this is what your group chat
is full. Yeah, jump in the group chat and say
unhinged things and do a screenshot. You need to send
a screenshot to your friends, and you need to do
little arrows.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Great, there will draw function.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You can circle what you're mad about and draw an
arrow to it. What do you think we're doing in
our grip, Yeah, going off, going off necessarily about that,
about this, about that, Yeah, anyway, AI is conflicting and troublesome.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But I actually don't think this is a story about AI, Claire.
I think it's about photoshop. I don't know over riga fan.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, do you ever go so wicked fandom that Alpha
M cancels to or not?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Is that not something else.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'd say to Cynthia Riva where she's like, I'm protecting
little Alphaba. Sorry, don't say don't know which is fine.
You can't say that you're gonna actually get so many
people upset. I kept thinking alphabet is not real. I
was thinking that this is a fictional story. But you
actually can't say okay, sorry, okay, I'm gonna get in trouble.
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Claire The Small Thing interview. We love when Australia gets
caught up in drama. Jeff, Remember how in twenty fourteen,
Ariana Grande reportedly left an Australian media photo shoot because
she didn't like how her top looked. Yeah, but then
she's here and she's like the land of ours. Yeah,
it's like she's so you left. I love being here
(22:31):
and It's like you did an MX photo shoot and
you didn't want the natural light and you wanted to
be only photographed.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
From your left side.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
MX didn't make it, andr, MX wasn't obeying your commands,
and you left and you never came back. And honestly,
respect respect you know from Glinda, you know what doesn't
exist anymore. Ex do we call her Glinda or GARLANDA
Superfans call her Garlinger, war gar Linda call her Glinda.
(23:05):
That's because her name's Glinda. Yeah, I think the Garlander
thing was just a joke. Superman's are like she's Garlander
for most of the film.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's what. Yeah. No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
In terms of Ariana walking out of MX, I just
want to say, Arianna, you're better than that, Like you're
better than MX. I don't know why you should never
have done MX, why you're put in that situation. Sorry, No,
I'm sorry and speaking very Australia to be like you
want to come and be an MX.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
We're probably going to cancel it next year.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And we won't take your request series. We'll treat you
like shit and then we'll write about it in the
Daily Mail.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
How about that? That's some fun Vogue Vogue, US will
take your request seriously.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But us this photographer who again isn't going to have
much next year he will be He's respect who will AnyWho?
Australia emparasales wells yet again with Ariana when an interview
with a radio personality went viral.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Jess, have you seen it? No?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I actually have our Wow Nova presenter Kent Smallsy Smalls.
I didn't know his first name.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I can't picture him.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Smallsey, Jesse be bald. You know Smallsey. You have seen
Smallsey at premieres, at media events. He's always okay, all right,
well yes, Smallsey okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He posted a clipped social media of him speaking to
Ariana and Cynthia about the movie, but straight away everyone
was like, wait, you're clearly far more interested in directing
your questions to Ariana. And someone did an analysis of
like how much he directed his questions towards Ariana versus
Cynthia and it was something like eighty twenty.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Like he clearly was like hard. I interviewed once Paul
Rudd and another man. Fuck it was hard. Oh no,
he was a man. It was for ant man.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But I was like, I respectfully, I don't know you respectfully.
Besides Paul, I just want to ask him questions. Yeah,
And that's the thing is that I'm not judging Smallsey
for this. I'm genuinely not because that happens a lot
in media, where you know you're going to get more
clicks on a story, more people are going to listen
(25:24):
to your soundbites, more people are going to watch the videos. Yeah,
but that sucks for Cynthia, like she's literally the main character.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Absolutely, it really sucks for her.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But from Smallsey's perspective, he's clearly like, I'm doing this
for radio, and Ariana Grande in terms of celebrity, is
a bigger celebrity than Cynthia, So I'm going to direct
my questions to her. And it's like, dude, everybody got
to that point. I realized it was like a bit
of a dickhead thing. Yeah, and then even doubt their creation.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, but you run out of time, Jesse. I want
to show you some of the clip.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Mask you Ariana.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I heard a story that you obviously you wanted this
job of the role.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, your whole life, right.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Where were you when you got the call that said, yep,
we want you to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you remember what you were.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Doing that day?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I do, actually, but we both have really fun stories.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well we both have to tell them.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But you have a fun story. Tell your story. Well
I was in London, and well so everyone else is
in la And quickly, quickly, when are you bring ram
Beauty to Australia. This is what's like, Oh my god,
soon soon, we are working on it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
And then the other question that the fans want to
know is music and tour and when will you be
coming back to Australia. Oh my goodness, we both yes,
well together, oh my god, we've both will come back
here as soon as we humanly possibly can.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yes, it is so great to see again Arianna.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It has been so many years.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you so much for the time. She is such
a pro, is a pro.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Everybody said, she is a masterclass in kind of deflecting
the awkward so really politely. Yeah, she could have been rude,
and we've seen those viral And I have a theory
that we'll get to about why this press to her
has looked like this, and I think it's in reaction
to that. It ends with us like lively drama than
the Anne Hathaway and all of these leaked interviews of
(27:07):
celebrities being mean and they have done the exact opposite.
Yeah yeah, but he literally at the end just says
goodbye to Ariana.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh, like it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So he asks her how she felt when she received
the call notifying her that she had won the role
of Glinda, and doesn't ask Cynthia that question, and then
Arianna has to like even it out. Then Cynthia's talking
and smalls, he cuts her off to redirect questions to Arianna,
and then he asks her when she's going to be
(27:40):
coming back for a tour, when her like makeup line
or something's gonna come to a stral. It's just very
like directing the questions to her and not very wicked. No,
And just the people were so upset because this is
the sort of thing that really upsets people on the
internet because they're protective. Yeah, there are comments such as
and they're like, I have a question for Cynthia. Yeah yeah,
(28:00):
there are comments such as this in capitals. Stop disrespecting
Cynthia arivo wo wo Yeah. Yeah, he needs to be
fired immediately. This is super disrespectful. This movie is not
only about Glinda. Ariana Grande. This movie is about them both,
especially Cynthia's character. Everyone got really upset Jess that holding
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space in your power while defying gravity interview. Everyone thought
the Wicked Press Tour had reached peak Wicked Press Tour.
Ye and then Ariana Grande gently yet earnestly clutched onto
cynthia repos mail for emotional support while they discussed how
it is important to hold space for defying gravity. So
(28:44):
much of this has been lost on me, but I
have watched this clip, yeah, fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I really enjoy it. I'm trying to be moved.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm trying to understand, and I cannot decode what is
being said. Well, everyone in this film is so profoundly
moved by themselves. Okay, and this interview sums it up.
The writer Hunter Harris put it beautifully on Substack when
she wrote what began as a regular junket interview without
dot COM's Tracy E. Gilchrist turned into an uncanny display
(29:16):
of this ferocity of feeling. Gilchris's interview starts off as
normal as any junket interview could. Now that junkets are
more how much can I leave an impression on this
famous person unless traditional question and answer. Yes, that is
such a good point. Erry, I'm going to impress the celebrity. Yeah,
I'm just gonna have a moment with a celebrity. Does
(29:37):
this serve anyone else?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
No? No, no, am I going to ask them anything?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That it will make for a video which will have
seven million hits on TikTok. It'll make for a video
that will be good on my socials?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, really really good for my kind of platform.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Why else are we doing anything if not for a
video on my social At some point during one of
Gilchris's questions to Grante, she starts clutching a Rebos fingernail.
Everything's fine, yeah, but she does onto it promotional support.
And then there's the exchange and Jess, I'm going to
play the interviewer, okay, and you're going to play Cynthia Arrivo.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My question is do you think you've watched this enough
to really get the emotion right?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm the journalist. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
This week people are taking the lyrics to define gravity
and really holding space with that and feeling power in that.
Would you touch on that moment in the film when
Alphaba has been banished, and yet she comes into her
full power at that moment of the worst time, overcome
with emotion. That's in brackets.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I didn't know that was happening. I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
That's really powerful. That's what I wanted. I didn't know
that was happening. At this point, the journalist is clearly
stressed because she doesn't know what they're talking about. I
think that often. Ariana doesn't either. No, she's like, I've
missed it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I tuned out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon the journalists wedding because she's like,
I think Cynthia, though, has misunderstood what I said, which
is fair because I also don't know what I mean.
And now it's done and I can't watch it. Yeah,
I'm in the moment because it's one of those things.
I get it all the time when I'm interviewing people.
Because you're a little bit nervous, you start a question,
you go, I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I don't know where this is going, and.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Then you finish, and then then you both look at
each other and you're like, please save me.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And when you live, you have last about holding.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Space shown me a journalist who was not huge about
holding space.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You're holding space for defying gravity? Is very there.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Paras around this interview, and I felt myself bump up
against every single one until I landed in this nowhing space. Okay, okay,
back to the interview, yap. I've seen it on a
couple of posts. I don't know how wide spread, but
you know, I am in queer media, so that's my
You know, at this point, the journalist is killing time.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
She wants to let the.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Interview end so no one ever has to address the misunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And Cynthia goes, yeah, but yeah, it's happened.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
What Cynthia didn't ask that, but I'm asking as a viewer,
what has happened?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
So I tried to work out what the journalist was
talking about, okay, in terms of people holding space with
the lyrics to define gravity. Variety interviewed that journalist and
this is what they asked, Yeah, do you recall any
of the posts that inspired your question? For Cynthia and Ariana,
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And she says this, most of it actually came from
a conversation with a friend. I was using that to
tee up the question, and I was a little thrown
off by Cynthia's response because it was so sincere and real.
I was a little flustered. I could have said I
have all these friends and this is our conversation, but
instead I said I'm in queer media. I have so
(33:13):
done that. I have said, oh my god, have you
seen that x y Z? And if anyone interrogated me
on it, I'd be like link. I'd be like, I'm
gonna be real. My mom sent me a link and
it might be fake news. Didn't actually open it. But
it's so like you just had a conversation with a
friend and then you're like, there's this you know, thing
that's happening, and she's like, I don't know that was
and you're like, it's not except privately, except privately with
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me and my friend.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Mean to hold space for defining gravity? Excuse me? Can
they use that space?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Or are you holding it?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You can't?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Sorry, I'm holding it. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
May I ask what you're holding it for?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think we both know?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Is it the lyrics of define gravity?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Was walking beautiful? I didn't know people were doing that.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She also said earlier in the interview that she did
see a man named Tony Morrison who is like a
director glad he had posted the lyrics for defining gravity.
I guess that's holding bad. I think I think that's
what she meant by holding space. So my question is
I think seen the movie last night. I know I'm
(34:17):
dating only serious. Have you been holding space during the
scene of Defying Gravity? I held space and I held space?
What did that like? I didn't look at my phone. Okay,
I didn't look at my phone, and I watched the
scene and that scene went for two hours, and I
was like, I'm just here holding space.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Is that the scene that everyone cried?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Because I keep saying all these no, we've seen that
everyone cried in was the one the dance the ball?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, it was beautiful. That was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I didn't cry, but okay, yeah, because there were people
crying at the end of the movie, and I was like,
with that, I just wanted were holding Hey, no, what
are we crying out?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Come on, I want to cry, but I don't know
what cry. Can you explain I missed something? Because it's
like I think they must have been holding space? Yeah,
and that's why they were. What is the thing that's happening? Yeah,
I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen a couple of posts
Jesse memes. Okay, I want you to read out the
memes that have erupted in response to holding space define Gravity.
(35:19):
So this is a picture of Kimi kardash Hian and
it says, get your fucking ass up and hold space
for the lyrics of defying gravity. It's like, no one
wants to hold space for the lyrics of define gravity anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Love it? Very true, Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I couldn't help, but wonder if Big could hold space
for the lyrics of defying gravity, why couldn't he hold.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Space for me? That's so true? Excellent, babe. What's wrong?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
You've barely held space and felt the power and the
lyrics of defying gravity. Then we've got Hey, a bunch
of us are outside holding space for cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You want to join.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But if you're holding space and I'm in queer media,
then who the hell is gravity? I also like, this
is how close I am to losing it? And it
is Ariana just gently touched touching. It's not she doesn't
have all the It's kind of how you'd pick up
a chopstick. Is how she's holding her holding as nails. Yeah,
and then the last one is if I'm holding space
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with the lyrics of defying gravity and you're in queer media,
then who the hell is holding his finger?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I really love it.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
How weird everything has Yeah, yeah, a nonsensical yeah. Before
I ask me what I'm doing tonight, asked me what
I'm doing tonight? And what happened? God, I said, hey, Clari,
free tonight, and you said, let me just check my calendar.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And then you had a diary invite.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well you had a block which was about you holding
space for define gravity tonight, so you can't do anything.
I think that would be lovely. Yeah, I just want
to hold o wan hold space for define gravity. That
you should see when you google holding space for the
lyrics of defining gravity. Things that come up, what is
holding space? A psychologist defines what holding space is, and
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then it's like holding space for the lyrics of defying
gravity explained the best memes.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I'm like, this is so weird. My pop, We're
in a ninety seven year old pop would be so confused, Claire.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It is time for a list of all the things
that have made Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arivo cry. I
straight up do not understand what's happening during the press tour.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating. I am simply
not following.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
But I'm not bothering either.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It is the opposite, as I said to the it
ends with US press tour, and it is also the
opposite to the Madam Webb press tour, Ah where Dakota
Johnson openly detested her own film and when there was
a literal earthquake, she didn't emote.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
She was like, I think there was an earthquake.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
She was like, can you imagine and Ariana Thede squeal,
sol cry and they'd be like, we hold space.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Here's a list of questions and all statements that have
made Cynthia and Ariana cry. And this is from a
compilation of like interviews on the internet. Okay, what ways
has the person sitting next to you changed you?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
For good? Lot?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, Okay, I have read a stupid amount of interviews
since watching the film.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And I will say.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
No, please, please, I'm not mad. I just can't understand.
All right, all right, here's the thing, Pressed who is now?
And people are gonna hate me for saying this, Pressed,
whours are just an extension of the film. They're just
they're just They're just an extension. It's like, I'm going
to pretend to be Alphabet. You're going to pretend to
be Glinda in a press to a context, in an interview.
What would Glinda do? What would Alphabet do? And so
(38:44):
it's just all an extension and it's worked like it's
the number one movie. They have done a remarkable job.
I'm watching all of them. But if we want to
kind of buy into that, Wicked is an excellent story
in terms of following story structure and challenging our ideas
about perspective and who people are, and have female friendship,
(39:08):
incredible representation, all of that excellent. And I do think
if you just look at the characters of Glinda and Alphaba,
what Ariana Grande has said is that she has got
a lot of strength from Cynthia, and Cynthia's like, I've
been able to be a bit softer, and I feel
that I took the start a lot.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I hop that well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Mm Rosciano told Cynthia, you fucking did it, babe.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I didn't know how the movie was going to do that,
Just that changing of levels. I don't want to get
anything away. But when you read the Inner Child stuff
and the did she like dissolve? Yes, oh yeah, oh
Cynthia fucking did it? Babe? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And Cynthia sob stopped. She was like, was one of
the early sobs. Yeah, sobs? And I went wow, what Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Excellent interview. You've really got them to unlock emotion. And
then I was like absolutely viral. Yeah, and then I
was like, oh, we're crying all over the place, an
interviewer telling her it's indesscribable how you feel when when
you watch it. And also these are just some quotes
that they've given through interviews because they're very like they'll
say to an interviewer, you are very good. Oh see,
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i'd lose it. We love you. You are such a gift.
Oh beautiful, which again it's very in character. Georgie Tunney
telling them what a friend's kid had said after watching it,
which is you have to be good and you have
to be kind to everybody, and she is a good witch.
That one actually did get me and it got Cynthia.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And sorry, just in terms of literally the only thing
that they haven't done in terms of just making Ariana
Glinda and Cynthia. Alphaba is paint Cynthia green. Yeah, but
Cynthia has the nails, these ridiculously over the top nails,
and she's still blond. It's like they still look like
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their character.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
They sat in an interview with the original Glinda and
Alphaba and the original Alpha bar began by saying it
was a great tribute. The view hadn't even begun and
said it was a great tribute. Ariana breakdown. They cried
because they were in a parking lot because and I quote,
they've come through a massive, massive thing. This is where
I go, I'm missing something. Something has occurred. This film
(41:24):
is about something else, and I haven't properly dissected what
the pointless Unless some people are like this is just
theater kids, they just moved, yes, and I'll get to that.
Mariana said the stuff you don't see is the most
special stuff. And at that point, she actually fell to
the ground. Have you seen her fall to the ground?
And wait and then she crawls out. An interviewer asked
(41:44):
Ariana about the credits where her name appears as Ariana
Grande but Terra. Yeah, Claire, what did you do? She
cried silently, she couldn't ask, and it's weird. I've great
weight of getting out.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Of answering the question. Yeah, I got silence.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Stare at them, and it also makes the interviewer feel
quite good because like, oh, is that an emotional question?
I touched a nerve is going to be very happy. Yea,
What do we think is happening? Because the first theory
is we've got the theater kids, people who seeing might
feel more deeply one hundred percent. We do neither, and
so we're looking at it going excuse me, yeah, can
(42:16):
you loop us in? We're confused about what's happening? Or
is this an Oscars thing? Okay, it is definitely an
Oscars thing, because remember like the Lady Cooper, Bradley Cooper,
Lady Gaga, like, you've got to keep playing the characters yep,
out of the context of the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I don't know who invented that rule, but someone did.
The other thing is people think that they're going a
little bit earnest because when Barbie did the press too,
it was very light and Barbie didn't remember. Barbie got
snubbed for quite a lot of nominations. I wonder too
if it ends with us felt too light given its
subject matter. Yeah, and they're like, well, you know what,
(42:56):
we're gonna go too hard.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, we're gonna make this it's.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
About a witch. Yeah, but we're just gonna wait. But
we're gonna weep as though. This is about like the
end of time. Yes, this is about the apocalypse, Clara,
I want to move on to the actual movie. And
I just think fire just notes ye notes that we
had first out.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
What did you think? What do you make of it?
I was moved, Okay, I actually loved every moment I
held space. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I held space with Jonathan Bailey. I'll tell you that
sexy boys very sexy. And you didn't know what a
Jonathan Bailey mean until the movie. And I kept yelling
at you things like Bridgeton and you were like, own
watch Bridgeton and then you understood, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You're so sexy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
I genuinely loved every moment. Didn't look at my phone once.
Absolute perfection. I did not expect to feel that because
I am cynical and resistant in that when the culture
is looking at something and praising it, I'm like, not me,
I'm too good for that. And I went into it
thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And I loved it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I thought there were some strong moments and okay, well
what could be cut down?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Okay, what strong moments?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I liked the song popular because I knew that from TikTok. Yeah,
and I liked the song to Fine Gravity.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Did you like that the dance with Ariana and Cynthia
where they like I thought they did, but I kept
I had been told there was a scene ah that
you know, made everyone cry, And I did get to
the end and say, what was that scene?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And did I miss it?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Because I didn't cry during that.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I did think early on a plot hole I had.
I had an issue with the plot. I've got a plot.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
I'll go.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Okay, Glinda paid for her own sweet she did at
the college. She was meant to have her own sweat.
And then we've got Alphabra over here not paying. I
don't know how she's enrolled because she didn't enroll, she
didn't pay. She should have been sharing with her sister, well,
shouldn't have even been there, really, And then you've paid
for your own room and you get a room mate.
How did Alphaba have any clothes because she didn't pack
(44:47):
a suitcase?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Wow? Right, there weren't any shops that I saw. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah. It wasn't a great makeover, was it. When Glinda
makes her over, she looks very much the same she does.
I kept thinking about the green makeup and how they
would have needed like green bronzer. I also thought about
when she smiled the one if she got green in
her teeth. You know how you get lipstick on your tae.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Also her lips were green, I know, but that's why
I thought, it's amazing that it never gets on it.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then I also thought she
would be going home after filming and they'd just be
green in a hairline. Yeah, it's so annoying, very much.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
My plot hole was that dance scene that everybody's been
talking about. Ha, Why why the dance? Where did the
dance come from? Why did she start dancing? I think
that it was meant to show that she was attempting
to do a dance and like do something cool, and
it was meant to be weird and unusual, and everyone's
(45:42):
laughing at her, and then Glinda is like No, I
got that. I got the inclusiveness, I got the beauty
of the moment.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It's meant to be symbolic. I got the beauty of
the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I just it was more the inciting incident of that
scene that I was a bit confused. You walk in,
You're wearing a funny hat. Everyone laughed at you. Do
you start so true?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Actually start dancing? Or do you run away? Yeah? So true?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I also wanted to just put it on the record.
Did you know that Universal had two musicals that they
had the rights to. They've had the rights to Wicked
for forever. Super fans have been waiting for this for decades,
and in twenty nineteen, well a little bit before that,
they were like, we get to decide whether we do Wicked,
and they pushed Wicked back. Do you know why they
pushed Wicked back? Because they prioritize cats. A prioritized cats.
(46:30):
What can you imagine getting that caliber of cast making
them all look like cats? What's the point, what's the
point of James Corden got a Rebel Wilson, We have
Jennifer Hudson, We've got a Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Don't know who's who? They all Allo like Cats. Judy Dench's
in it. No, how humiliated. Cats is never it. Cats
isn't never it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
But it's confusing because it has been on Broadway for
a really long time. It's like rent, I don't think
you don't have to turn it into a movie.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Claire.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It is time for charges and sentences. You can go
best my charge. Firstly, I actually am here for holding
space for the lyrics of fine Gravity. I haven't had
you've done it since that's not not actively.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
But as you said in the moment, okay, yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I really I was moved. I think it's an excellent
work of art. I would say to anyone who thinks
they're not gonna like it. I expected to be bored.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
I was not bored.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I was thoroughly entertaining the whole time. I want a
Wicked themed theme park. Have I said yet that I
had to leave two thirds of the way through to
get another snack? No, I can't remember because I'm so tired. Yeah,
but I got crispy Eminem's. But it was a bit
that I was like, if we've got another hour, I
might as well get some Eminem's.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
My charge is to do with the earnestness.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I think we really have to interrogate these press tours
because what we need to acknowledge is that that's a movie.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
These are characters.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah right, it's not real. Alphabat as a baby fiction,
she's green, Yeah, she's green. Yeah, it's not real. No
stories powerful make us feel all of human life is really.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Just a story. Yeah right, but it is a story.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Okay, okay, And I needn't go No, I need more
press to its where people show up as themselves, not
the character. You don't want that, no, I do don't
want that now.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
I think Black Lava did that. She got in so
much trouble.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Ye, No, that was different. That was different because she
was actually showing up as whatever her name was, because.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
She was all flowery. Is that your sentence? No? No, sorry, okay.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
My sentence is show up as who you are and
show us, if you're making an OSCARS campaign, right, show
us what a good actor you were by being yourself
so that we can see how you transformed yourself.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
We don't think you're acting. We don't think Mariana Grande
is Glinda.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And yeah, yeah, Arianna, go back to your brown hair,
go back to your like go back to that start.
You're weird feud with Mariah Care, you know, like, be
somebody who's very distinct from Glinda. It's like when you
see the Oppenheimer press to her, and it's like that
guy's accents different. Y, whoa, you did an accent? Yeah,
(49:21):
Alpha Butt in the movie has an American accent. Yeah,
And Cynthia Arrivo has a British accent. Amazing, blows my mind. Incredible.
So be yourself, be your authentic self. Yeah, you don't
have to be Alphava on your Instagram in interviews.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And I think I will say, we don't need to
be profoundly moved by everything. Okay, my charge, I interrogated this.
I feel left out. Ah, I feel profoundly left out
by this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Mm hmm. It's making me uncomfortable, it's making me defensive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
I just had a meeting with someone in the office
who was quite frustrated that I.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Don't get it. No, I don't get it. People are annoyed.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's creating. Why are all the gen Z's crying? Yeah,
that's what she said, And okay, no, I get that.
My sentence is send me the link. I feel as
though before this we were all reading something. Yeah, I
didn't know we had recently gone back to watch the
nineteen thirty nine Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Did we?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I think some people on TikTok did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I feel like there's a reading list like you get
at Uni. There's the law, Yeah, but going to need
you to talk me. There's like there's like the course
Wicked Wizard of Oz and I'll do the course vibe.
Of course, that's still a weekend course. Send it to me,
I'll pay you. Yeah, But I need to feel part
of something. I've got a year now till the next
(50:41):
part comes out. I would like to be a part
of it. I'd like to be on it. I'd like
to see the Easter eggs. I do often feel out
of the loop in cultural moments like this, Yes, where
I go, I don't know who these people are. I
didn't know that this was arounda Grande's dream role.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
I didn't. I simply didn't know any of it.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
No, No, I don't like that, all right, Jess, I've
got a lazy girl story.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Who from this is from Olivia. She's a lazy girl.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Lazy girl here, I would say, I'm average height, but
my pant length would say otherwise. I simply will not
be hemming my pants no matter their length. I tried
stapling them up, but the staples fell out or cut
my ankles.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
This is very Ariana.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, so now I only wear my long pants in
winter and will wear my heeled boots so that they
only just touched the floor. Find me a lazy girl
who's ever gone to an alterationist. Everyone's like, I just
get it altered?
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Where? How much? With what time? How did you remember
to go and then to pick it up? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
My other thing is one time I saw somebody and
they say, oh, I just get my jeans, and I
looked down and I went, they're too short.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
They're just a little bit too short.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
And that's what I imagine buying clothes and being like,
I'll just get those hemmed.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I was thinking that the other day.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I'll just try that on a list and then go
and and like you on like a Saturday. Yeah, I
was gonna order some clothes online and I was like, oh,
I can have a buy stuff online because it just
never fits properly.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
And I was like, I guess I could get a
older you know, speaking of laser girls. Bloke.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Recently, my husband went to an alterations got holes in
both his pockets. Every time I've put his phone in
his pockets, it falls down into his stock and it's
it's very happy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
And he went and he said, you think you can
sew my pockets back up?
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Lady said no, why speaking of a lazy girl, sim wonder.
I looked at it and I went, I can't sew,
but I could sew together. Yeah, stay for them him seventy,
but care and he doesn't know how long it takes.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
He doesn't know how much this has meant to cost.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I got a couple of things altered for my wedding,
and I remember thinking, Lady.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I'm being taken for a ride, aren't I?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
But this is my wedding and therefore I will spend
thousands of dollars on absurdity.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Before we go.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I also wanted to ask our canceled listeners, if you
like this show, then please leave us a review, because
we have got some that have really tickled us.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Oh, they make us live.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Did you see some of these recently, Claire, We've got
some great reviews from canceled listeners that just make me giggle.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
We got this review from Jordan L. Morris.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
It is Fight Stars and it says it's weird what
they do. Weird is in good. It's very specific what
they do and unique and I appreciate them. What episode
was Are you joking that you don't remember what that's from?
That was the Sexy Boy, Oh, Andrew Garfield, Amelia Moldenburg
(53:38):
and we said it would be the biggest compliment if
somebody said that to us.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
That's really kind, I know, actually really kind. We have
canceled law, Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
There were a couple of things today that I almost
was going to bring up previous episodes, and then I think, oh,
it's just too confusing for new listeners, and then I think,
a new listener.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
The producer have canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production
by Leah Porgies.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Bye Bye,
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