June 11, 2025 • 35 mins
In this vibrant and heartfelt conversation, Dr. Leroy welcomes Marissa Twichell, a dynamic force in the cannabis industry and Regional Sales Director for Revelry and Field Trip, covering Southern California and Arizona. From her journey into the cannabis space to the rise of Women of Cannabis, Marissa shares personal insights into breaking barriers in a male-dominated industry and the importance of inclusive events that empower women.
Plus, we meet her beloved rescue pup Dotty—a fixture in dispensaries across the state—and learn why Marissa believes connection, education, and community are the future of cannabis.
Whether you’re a seasoned consumer, a curious newcomer, or just love good storytelling, this episode is packed with warmth, wisdom, and a little laughter.
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Here are some notable moments from this episode:
00:00:00 – The Cannabis Legacy Lives On
00:03:42 – Meet Marissa Twichell: From Hustle to High Gear
00:07:05 – Not Just Bags: The Lifestyle Behind Revelry
00:10:10 – Women of Cannabis: Building Sisterhood in the Industry
00:14:22 – Moms, Wine, and Weed: Changing the Conversation
00:18:00 – Dabs, Gummies, and the Art of Knowing Your Dose
00:23:14 – THC vs. CBD: Beyond the Buzzwords
00:26:40 – Breaking the Stigma, One Conversation at a Time
00:30:45 – The State of the Cannabis Industry: Progress & Pitfalls
00:35:50 – Dotty the Dispensary Star & Final Reflections
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S1 (00:29):
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Cannabis enlightened. This is another episode
brought to you by March and Ash cannabis enlightened. And
I am Doctor Leroy. And it is a joy, a
real pleasure for me to be here with you today. Um,
you know, as always, we're sponsored by March and Ash
(00:51):
and the people that make me sound so very good
in the studio, um, are JC and Lina, and I
appreciate them. Um, and, you know, for those of you
that ask, sometimes, uh, the podcast is on the Olas
Media Network and also Spotify, so you can go in
(01:11):
to either one of those and type in cannabis enlightened
or cannabis enlightened dot com. And you will get me.
I have a very special guest today, a lady that
has done a lot in the cannabis industry, and I'm
so very fortunate to have her. We we thought we
(01:34):
were going to meet earlier. Uh, but stuff happens and, and, uh,
I had to tell her that, hey, things happen. Just
call me and say, I can't do it and we'll reschedule.
But she was, uh, really biting off all her fingernails.
I hope her fingernails have grown back. Okay. They have
grown back. Uh, that. Just call Doctor Leroy and say, hey,
I can't make it. I'm. I'm. I'm making money, okay?
(01:57):
And I will. I will let you off the hook, but, uh,
our guest today is a very well worked person in cannabis, um,
Marissa Tickle. And she has a lot to give us today.
But before I go to her, I want to remind
the audience that there is a project here in San
(02:19):
Diego that's going to be at the Sherman Community Center,
and that's at 2258 Island Avenue here in San Diego. Sunday,
June the 15th and 16th from 1 to 5. It's
the Legacy Genetics project, the Legacy Genetics project. And these
are folks who are doing a compilation there. They are
(02:41):
putting together an oral history of cannabis. So we're really
looking for breeders and cultivators to come out. And people
like you and I who just want to find out
more about cannabis. But listen, if you will come out
and participate or just listen, it would be great. And
if you want more information about it, because I can't
(03:02):
give you everything. Before I get to our guest, you
can log on to WW. Log on and then you'll
find out a lot of information. But if you can
be there June the 15th and 16th, it would be great.
(03:23):
From 1 to 5 I think I will be there
myself talking to people, and I think we're going to
have a great time. All right. So Marissa Twichell.
S2 (03:32):
Yes, everybody. Everybody has a variation of Twichell.
S1 (03:36):
Okay. You. The first time I met you, I'm going
to tell the audience this. The first time I met
this lady, she wasn't working, or you were between jobs
I was. Yeah, and then before I could get her
on my program, she had, like, 5 or 6 jobs.
And right now, your regional sales director and regional social.
S2 (04:01):
Regional sales director for, uh, revelry and field trip. So
I oversee Southern California and the state of Arizona.
S1 (04:10):
Okay. And what, as you oversee it, what does that overseeing?
I mean.
S2 (04:15):
Um, mostly sales, I do. I've got my hands on
a lot of stuff. We have a fantastic marketing team
behind us. Um, so I don't do as much marketing
in this position as I used to, but still a
little bit with rolling classes and, um, different initiatives, but
mostly the sales aspect. So I help oversee some sales
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team here in Southern California and then a sales team
in Arizona as well.
S1 (04:41):
And how did you how did you get that position?
Did you just just walk up and say, here I am?
S2 (04:47):
No, I actually, um, the founder, Brandon, I ran into
him now about a year and a half ago. At
the time, I think it was right around a year
at another shop here in San Diego. We were just
in the same kind of like meeting and exchange information. And, um,
a year later, he just asked if I might be
(05:10):
in the market for work. And we started a conversation
and took a couple weeks. And then I landed with revelry.
And I'm so happy at this job. Yeah. I've expressed
to you and our friend Deontay. Yeah it's a great
place to land and I'm I'm really excited to be
where I am.
S1 (05:28):
What are the products that we have?
S2 (05:30):
Flower pre-rolls uh revelry originally started with oh I didn't
oh that bag right there. Um, it's, uh, gear. It's
a lifestyle company. So we actually started with smell proof
waterproof gear. So pretty much everything that you see, even
that little bag right there, I use it as a
makeup case. Right. Most people would use it as a
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stash bag. Um, but it is waterproof and smell proof.
S1 (05:57):
You know, I will confess to you, I saw that
when I was doing my quote unquote research. And when
I came to that, I said, this has got to
be wrong. This isn't cannabis. What is going on here?
Then I read a little bit more and started thinking
a little bit more. Doctor Leroy start thinking, and I
figured it out.
S2 (06:14):
Yeah, it's pretty dope. So we like we started with
the lifestyle gear and there's that side of the company.
And then down the road, the cannabis side started. And
that's where I came in on more of the direct
cannabis side of everything. But I knew who revelry was
years ago because of the gear. And just like the
presence that, um, the lifestyle revelry Supply company brings to
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the cannabis company or the cannabis industry, right? Because like,
we have everything from large duffel bags to pelican cases
to stash bags to rolling kits. It's really, like pretty extensive.
S1 (06:52):
What do you focus on? Are you are you just
cannabis or are you?
S2 (06:55):
I'm on the cannabis side. I can do.
S1 (06:57):
Somebody.
S2 (06:57):
Else. I can help with anything. Um, but of course.
But my focus is definitely the cannabis aspect. Um, we
have two sides to the company, and I'm on the,
the direct cannabis side. So like working with shops such
as March and Ash or, um, shops all over California
and Arizona as well.
S1 (07:19):
What's the philosophy behind the bags? Is it to carry?
Is the purpose to carry in a very, you know,
unintrusive manner? I guess, uh, cannabis? Or was the goal
just to have something to carry a bag to carry
stuff in?
S2 (07:38):
I don't want to speak for the founders. This has
been around for like ten years. Um, but I think
that they were very innovative. Saw a need in the
legacy market for smell proof instead of just big black
duffel bags where it's, like, pretty apparent what may or
may not be in those bags. Right? Um, it's made it, like,
(08:02):
more fun. Like this one that I have is a camo.
We have, uh, all different designs and styles that you
can choose from. It just makes it more fun. And,
I mean, I use it for my luggage. I've got
a bunch of friends that are using. We have different styles,
but like a big like purse, laptop style. A bunch
of women in San Diego are all running around with
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the leopard print of that. So. All right, it's it's fun.
It's fun.
S1 (08:27):
Okay, okay. So there is luggage.
S2 (08:30):
Yes.
S1 (08:31):
Okay. So I'm going to give you a little bit
later on, I'm going to give you an opportunity to
give us some contact information. Sure. How people can get
to that the website and how they can get to you.
S2 (08:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
S1 (08:42):
I see that, um, you know, maybe before the current
position you have right now with reverie, uh, you were
working with, um, women of cannabis. What? And that's intriguing
because as you and I have talked about before, the
cannabis industry is, um, I guess maybe male dominated. Um,
(09:03):
for sure. A lot of men, not that many women, um,
and maybe even maybe even fewer women at the, the
top executive positions, you know.
S2 (09:14):
100%.
S1 (09:15):
Where you are. So how did tell us something about
women of cannabis? And you know what kind of impact
that has had on the cannabis industry?
S2 (09:26):
Sure. Um, I'm really proud of the work that I
did with my partners, Katie and Kaylee with Women of Cannabis. Um,
I've talked about this a little bit, but it was
just like a really organic. It happened organically. We were just.
Katie had the idea to throw a small event for
women out in the desert. The desert doesn't get love
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year round, um, because they have in-season and off season,
and not many people are going to Palm Springs when
it's 120 degrees, you know? So we just she decided
to focus on the women that were out in the
desert region. And we partnered with Doctor Green. Thumbs out
in Cat city. They had a consumption lounge and we
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just threw like a little event. We didn't really expect
it to be anything crazy. Um, it was really fun.
We had, I think like 60 or 65 women show up.
It was a really cool couple hour event, consumption friendly.
S1 (10:25):
It was just for women.
S2 (10:26):
It was just for women. I mean, we allowed we
never didn't allow men, but it was a focus towards women.
I think a couple, I think 1 or 2 men
did show up to that, and we weren't really sure
what to do with it. Right? Because we were like.
S1 (10:37):
What do we do with these men here?
S2 (10:38):
Yeah, we want to be inclusive, but at the same
time we wanted to like provide a space for specifically
for women in our industry because there are not there
are some great initiatives that are women focused and women based, um,
blunt brunch amongst quite a few others. But we saw, well,
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we didn't see until after this event, but we were
just kind of like focusing on women that maybe didn't
get a lot of love the way particularly bud tenders
in the area that they were. And then after that,
number one, we had a great time. But then we
started to get questions like, when's the next one? You know,
and we realized, wait, there's there's a need here. Mhm.
(11:22):
So the second one we ended up partnering with Green Street.
Shout out to Rama. He's always been a huge support.
Um and we through our second one in downtown LA
and that that's what that just changed everything.
S1 (11:35):
How long ago.
S2 (11:37):
Ooh I don't know.
S1 (11:39):
2423.
S2 (11:40):
21, 22.
S1 (11:41):
Okay. So it's been a while.
S2 (11:42):
It's been. Yeah, that was a while. 22 maybe, I
don't know, I'd have to look. And then, um.
S1 (11:48):
So is it is it your opinion, um, that women
feel more comfortable? Like, I know there are women gems, okay.
Just women gems. And I've talked to women that have
gone to the gyms and they say, you know, I
feel more comfortable going to all women's gym because I
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don't have to worry about, you know, being stared at
or competing with the men. Yeah. Do you feel that
same way with the women of cannabis?
S2 (12:16):
I don't know. I don't know. I think that, um,
to an extent, yes, but I think I think it
was just a really great opportunity for women to come
together from all over the state to, like, really network
and focus on each other, build those relationships. And, yeah,
I mean, even the industry is male dominated, that's for sure.
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And so are events. Events are very male dominated too. So.
And I go to all the I go to so
many events, whether it's like a sesh or I've chilled
out a lot on it because I just don't have
the energy anymore. But, um, yeah, I've done all kinds
of events and they are they are definitely male dominated.
And a lot of times, like there are important women
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involved and women do have a say and women do
have a lot of influence on the industry, but that's
not necessarily highlighted. and we wanted to highlight just women
coming together and supporting each other.
S1 (13:11):
You know, I got to ask the why question. Why
do you why do you think that is that you know,
there aren't as many women. I mean.
S2 (13:18):
Ooh, that's a good one. I think probably because historically
growers have tended to be men, cannabis growers in particular, growers, genetics,
all of the above. And then just in general, men
dominate the business world regardless of cannabis or not. And
it's even more, um, there's an even wider gap in
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the cannabis space.
S1 (13:43):
So are you seeing more women? Using cannabis products?
S2 (13:50):
Yeah. I mean, last I knew, I haven't looked at
stats recently, but last it was a pretty popular conversation
the last few years that moms were the fastest growing
consumer of cannabis.
S1 (14:03):
Oh, my.
S2 (14:04):
Yeah.
S1 (14:04):
And now I as I'm looking at you now, you
kind of stressed moms. Is there a reason why moms
would be.
S2 (14:12):
I'm not surprised. I mean, we've had like wine culture.
I am a mom. And like, we you know, we've
had a drinking culture for so long where like, I mean,
you know, anywhere you go, alcohol is acceptable socially. Um,
whether you drink or not. And I think there's a
major tide shifting in that with a lot of people.
And there's a lot of great organizations and women in
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particular really like speaking up and trying to change that. Like, okay,
you can have like mommy wine culture and have your
wine glass of wine at the end of the day
or bottle or whatever it is. Um, but people are
kind of like snubbing, maybe smoking a joint for that
same like relaxation or same me time, whatever that looks
like when we know, like the damaging effects are way
(14:56):
less when it comes to cannabis. Absolutely. You're not waking
up irritated with your kids or your toddler the next
morning because you drank or because you smoked a joint
or your bong or whatever it is. But that definitely
can happen when you're waking up.
S1 (15:09):
Um, I like the way you say. You said I'm not.
You're not waking up because, yeah, irritated because of the cannabis.
But you may wake up kind of irritated.
S2 (15:19):
If you have wine. Yeah. I mean, I've done it.
You know, I'm a mom, I, I still consume alcohol
and definitely used to consume more. So, um, I just
think that it's like a healthy outlet and option for
mom moms in particular to have, like, just to take
that breath, take that 15 minutes, chill out. It's not
like most moms aren't running around drunk and high, you know.
S1 (15:41):
But.
S2 (15:42):
To have some type of outlet for the end of
the day or whatever that looks like for you.
S1 (15:47):
Yeah. And the way you're putting it, it's not it's
not something that's going to prevent you from doing stuff.
S2 (15:54):
Yeah. I mean, assuming that it works for you, right?
I also don't believe cannabis works for everybody. I know
it's a very unpopular thing to say in this industry,
especially when you're in the industry. But I absolutely don't
think that it's positive for everybody. Um, and only, you know,
your limits and your consumption and what's helpful and what,
you know, what crosses the line between helpful and harmful.
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So I think everybody's different.
S1 (16:18):
Yeah. In your experience, how how are women, um, consuming.
Because you just talked about smoking. So I'm sure that
you you've seen that a lot.
S2 (16:28):
Yeah. That's hard for me just because of, like, what
I am involved in and what my day to day
looks like. I see women ripping dabs and, like, smoking
bongs and, you know, I like I take part in
judging competitions. And so I see, like, a whole different
side than I think what your like average normal consumer is.
(16:48):
So I can't really answer that. My guess would be edibles.
I feel like edibles are discreet and low dose. I
see like when I'm in shops checking accounts and whatnot.
I see a lot of people asking about edibles, especially
that like middle age and older group. Um, they tend
to more want to consume tinctures or topicals or edibles
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rather than a smokable. I think it's less intimidating.
S1 (17:14):
How about the drinks.
S2 (17:16):
Fast growing category? I know a lot of I think
there's a lot of stable drinks now. I know it's
been a really tough category in the past. Yeah, we're
just not there yet. But we're on our way.
S1 (17:28):
Okay. Okay. All right. So of the women that you
have been working with, um, and you kind of answered
this question just a minute ago because you're talking about
the different age groups.
S2 (17:45):
Sure.
S1 (17:45):
Are there age groups that prefer one, you know, way
of of consuming?
S2 (17:53):
That would be my guess. My guess is, like the
younger you are, the more likely you are to smoke
unless you've been an OG smoker for a long time. Um,
I think a lot of older people are people that
have not really consumed and are getting into cannabis now
that it's legalized and don't have a history. I think
that smoking is like very intimidating. You have the sense
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people are worried about their lungs. Um, just the whole
process of it, whether it's rolling a joint, rolling a blunt,
packing a bong, packing a bowl, taking a dab, all
of that can feel really out of touch and really
intimidating to certain demographics. Whereas if you just pop a gummy,
you know, all you have to do is figure out
your dosing. And if you start low and go slow,
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you most likely won't find yourself in any trouble.
S1 (18:40):
I like the way you've said that. And I stress
that all the time on my on my program. Start slow.
You know, maybe even break it in half sometimes. Maybe
in fourths for sure. And but you got to wait.
I don't know if people if you come across people
that are, you know, having problems with waiting.
S2 (18:57):
Oh, I've done it to myself.
S1 (19:00):
In what way?
S2 (19:01):
Just being impatient and over consuming. Um, particularly not waiting
enough time. Everybody's metabolism is different. I have a friend who.
Edibles don't affect this man. I don't I don't know
what I want. His metabolism. He can drink coffee at
9:00 at night and go to sleep.
S3 (19:19):
Oh, man.
S2 (19:20):
He can literally take 1000 milligram like shots or edibles
and just be totally fine. 1000mg if I consume. Yes,
we've done it on video. We've tested this guy. Oh, my.
If I did 1000mg, I'm not coming out of my
room or bed for like, at least 4 to 5 days. Like,
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there's just no way.
S3 (19:41):
Because you can't find the door. I, I.
S2 (19:43):
Would be so knocked out.
S3 (19:45):
Yeah.
S2 (19:46):
But yeah, I just I tell everybody especially like when you're,
if you're a beginner or if you're trying to figure
out your dosing like it's better to not be high
enough and try again with a little bit more the
next time than to get yourself too high. And then
I've had effects where, like, I'm waking up high in
the morning and I can do that, but a lot
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most people can't, you know.
S1 (20:09):
Well, I think maybe the key is, you know what's
going on.
S2 (20:13):
Sure. Yeah. That's helpful. And I also learned, like I've
learned throughout the years, if I'm not having a great time,
if I've over consumed or consumed something that wasn't necessarily
working with my system, I just rather than sit there
and be in my head about it, I just get
my dog who's right over there. Obviously my comfort and like, um,
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I go to my room and put on salt lamps
and lay in bed and whether I'm like reading a
book or on my phone, or if I just have
to lay there and chill out, I've figured out how
to make it and not overwhelming experience. So I would
hate for a beginner to have an overwhelming experience because
that could be a real turnoff long term. Um, for me,
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I am a very conscious consumer. I only consume like
certain in certain scenarios and at certain times, because I've
just learned that being high all the time doesn't work
for me. Yeah, it's just not it just it's not
working for me, so I don't.
S3 (21:12):
Yeah.
S1 (21:13):
So so speaking of getting high, most people, a lot
of people, some people, um, they know cannabis from the
standpoint of THC.
S3 (21:23):
And.
S1 (21:23):
CBD.
S2 (21:24):
Sure.
S1 (21:25):
And when you go into that, that realm, they they
know enough that the THC is the getting high part.
S3 (21:32):
Sure.
S1 (21:33):
And the CBD is more of, like, the pain relieving,
you know, to help you. Um, I'm, I come from
the school of of that thc is a little bit
of of medicine too.
S2 (21:46):
Oh, 1,000,000%, right? Yeah, absolutely.
S1 (21:49):
Um, it kind of like lays the path so the
CBD can get in there and really work. Um, yeah.
Is it as easy for people just to look for
CBD and THC? In your opinion?
S2 (22:04):
Um, I think CBD is way more accessible. We don't
have like the federal, the federal and state regulations, um,
on CBD, like you could go on you can get
be targeted with an ad on Instagram and buy CBD
shipped directly to your house. Can't really do that with THC.
I mean, you can do it locally if it's if
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you're allowed to within your city and state. Um, but
the regulations are totally different. And then there's just all
these other minor cannabinoids like CBD and THC, VA. And
we're starting to see a lot more of those enter
the market. Um, there's a really great strain pink boost
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goddess that I'm a big fan of.
S1 (22:46):
I've heard of that.
S2 (22:47):
I love I love it. Um, they're a farm out
of Mendocino, and they have THC. VA helps me because
it helps me not. It can be an appetite suppressant
for some people, so it helps me not get the
munchies when I eat everything. My friend gave me a
clip that goes on like snacks and it says don't
open me or just high because.
S1 (23:09):
It's.
S2 (23:09):
Like, I know because it's like I'm not even hungry.
And then I might get high at like 9:00 at
night on the couch, like watching my bad TV. And
then all of a sudden I just want to eat,
like the munching in the house. Yeah. And I don't
want to be doing that.
S1 (23:23):
Things, things, things salty and things sweet, for sure. Something
that crunches.
S2 (23:27):
Yeah, exactly. And then it's like, you know, but there's
all these other minor cannabinoids, like, you can use CBD
for sleep, and there's just so many others. And I'm
really excited because we are talking about those much more.
And within the industry, it's been a conversation for a
long time. There's been a lot of research and we're
learning more and more, but I'm seeing it slowly trickle
down to the consumer. Um. And that excites.
S1 (23:50):
Me. Yeah. It sounds like you're really. You're really talking
about a lot of things, but you're talking two things.
Stand out. Um, knowing yourself and knowing what you're putting
in yourself. Well, you know, one of the things that
that I fight on a regular basis, and perhaps you
do too, is, um, trying to get people to not
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feel and think that cannabis is this demon.
S2 (24:16):
The stigma. Yeah.
S1 (24:17):
The stigma is really, really strong still.
S2 (24:20):
Well, think about it. Think about like the propaganda going
through dare class and like third grade and they're telling
you like or like remember the commercials from the 90s? Like,
this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs
and frying an egg.
S1 (24:33):
Yeah.
S2 (24:33):
But it's like they were equating that with anything, including cannabis.
S1 (24:38):
Exactly.
S2 (24:38):
So, I mean, I've talked about this before, but I
got kicked off of a sports team, you know, when
I was young because I, they found out I smoked
weed and like, uh, yeah, it's just the repercussions have
been there, you know, whereas, like, if I got caught
drinking alcohol, I probably would have just got suspended for
a couple games or something. But the weed. No. See
(24:59):
you later.
S1 (25:01):
So funny.
S2 (25:02):
I know, I know, so it's it's really interesting to
see like how it's all changed and continues to change.
S1 (25:08):
You know, I've, I've heard athletes talk about, um, consuming cannabis,
a professional athletes that, um, they go through two and
three workouts a day.
S2 (25:23):
Yeah.
S1 (25:23):
A day. And I guess that's only right, because being
an athlete, if you're paying somebody a lot of money.
S2 (25:28):
And paid to do.
S1 (25:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they told me that they needed
something that would help them relax and recover, and that
cannabis helped them do that.
S2 (25:39):
Yeah, absolutely. It's I mean, there are trainers out there
that are for like conscious consumption. I love seeing all
the cool things. Like someone I know just did a
sound bath where everyone got high and then laid down
and they did a sound bath for them.
S1 (25:54):
I got to ask you, because of your background and
you know what you've been doing, talk to me about
the state of the cannabis industry. Where where are from from.
I she's looking. Marissa's looking back. You said you weren't
(26:14):
going to ask me hard questions.
S2 (26:17):
No, it's.
S1 (26:18):
Just from your point of view.
S2 (26:20):
Gosh, it's I mean, there's positives and negatives. I think
because of what I do, it's easy to get caught
up in the negatives just because of, like, taxation and
federal regulations. And I mean, what I do is still
federally illegal, which is just mind blowing. I don't think
people really think about that. Like on a state level
and a city level, what I do is fine. So,
for example, if I'm driving down the five with cannabis,
(26:45):
if like a San Diego police officer pulls me over
or like, you know, city or state cop, they're not
going to be super concerned if I have some cannabis
on me. Whereas like Border Patrol, because they're under a federal,
they are a federal agency. It's their discretion. They could
make my life very difficult or arrest me or whatever. Um,
(27:06):
for things that like state police and city police may
not do. So that's tough. The taxation huge issue. I mean,
you walk into a dispensary and you're paying 37% taxes
or more, depending on, you know, it's tough. And so
that part of it, I can get into a negative
headspace and feel defeated sometimes. Um, but on the flip side,
(27:29):
for patients or for customers or for like your regular
person in the world, like the accessibility that the education, um,
just all of that is changed. I mean, you and
I come from a generation where you'd get arrested for
smoking a joint, and now we're selling millions of weed
a month. You know, I.
S1 (27:50):
Come from a generation where, if you think about.
S2 (27:52):
It.
S1 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah.
S2 (27:53):
Yeah. I mean.
S1 (27:54):
You're even thinking about it.
S2 (27:56):
Exactly. And our generations are different, right? But, like, even
my generation, it it just was such a thing. And
so I'm somebody who always likes to push the envelope.
So this is like, really on par for me.
S1 (28:08):
Okay. Something tells me that you're a risk taker.
S2 (28:10):
Mhm. Just a.
S1 (28:11):
Little.
S2 (28:11):
Bit.
S1 (28:12):
Well I'll have two of those.
S2 (28:14):
Yeah. Exactly. But yeah. So there's, there's negative and positive
with the state of the cannabis industry I'm happy about
the accessibility. I'm happy about the education. I'm happy about
the expansion. We just have a lot more work to do.
And I'd like to really see people come together and
do that work, rather than a lot of the infighting
that happens within the industry. We are so small. Like
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once you're like in it, you know, it becomes a
smaller community and there is so much like disagreement and
fighting that I don't think necessarily helps, like the bigger picture,
but I think it's all a part of it and
it will end up where it's supposed to end up.
It's just a matter of time.
S1 (28:50):
Okay, well, we're winding down, but I don't want to
leave out, and I want to make sure I give
a little bit of love to your little dog that
you referred to earlier. And I know folks can't see her,
but you want to.
S2 (29:05):
That's dotty. Um, she is a rescue, and she came from.
We think she came from TJ. Um, we think she's, like,
11 years old, but she's been with me for almost
nine and a half years, so she comes with me
kind of everywhere. Most, uh, a lot of the bud
tenders in the state are familiar with Dotty. I'll walk
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into a shop to, like, check accounts, and they'll know
her name and not necessarily mine after all these years.
S1 (29:31):
So who are you? Yeah, yeah.
S2 (29:33):
She gets a lot of attention. So she's fun.
S1 (29:36):
And I think you may have mentioned before that you
worked with rescue animals for a long time.
S2 (29:42):
I used to volunteer. I don't have the time because
of my travels. Now I can't do it anymore. But
I fostered and adopted out nine different dogs.
S1 (29:50):
Oh my gosh.
S2 (29:51):
Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. My daughter really wanted a
dog when she was in high school, and I knew
I wasn't in a position to necessarily adopt one until
daddy came along and I had her for six months.
Everyone was like, that is your dog. And I was
in denial. I was I tried to get my mom
to adopt her, tried to get everybody to adopt her.
But she's definitely like my my soul mate. So we're
(30:13):
meant to be.
S1 (30:14):
Well, God love you. God love you. So, listen, um,
this has been fantastic.
S2 (30:19):
Yeah. Thank you for having me.
S1 (30:20):
It's been great. How? You said a lot. Just come
short of saying. You've said a lot of important things.
Everything you said was important. Okay, so I know there
are folks that are going to listen to this that say,
you know what, Doctor Leroy is okay. They better say that.
S2 (30:38):
But no. You're amazing.
S1 (30:39):
I want to I want to get his guest. How
do I get. How do people reach you?
S2 (30:46):
Um, I am on LinkedIn. So, Marissa Twitchell, it's t
w I c h e l l. And then I'm
also on Instagram. Um, Marissa. Twitch m a r I
a t w I h. I do keep that private
just because I don't want to get deleted, but, um,
those are probably the two best ways. I do read
(31:07):
all of my message requests and do get back to people.
So I would say LinkedIn or Instagram.
S1 (31:12):
Okay. Okay. Well, listen, Marissa Twitchell, I want to thank you.
Thank you. You are a very dynamic and accomplished woman.
S2 (31:21):
Thank you, I appreciate that.
S1 (31:22):
Um, and I am so glad that, you know, I
waited this morning. I waited by my phone. I said,
I wonder.
S2 (31:30):
Is she going to cancel.
S1 (31:31):
Again? She's going to call me. I should, I should,
I should I put on that shirt? What? And I said,
you know what I'm going to do? Like, Melissa, I'm
going to take the I'm going to be risky. I'm
going to go for it.
S2 (31:42):
I told you I'd be here.
S1 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah you did.
S2 (31:45):
I love it, though, because even though we had to reschedule,
I mean, shoot, we sat here for a good hour
and a half last week. And me, you and, uh, Deontay. Yeah,
we have a lot to talk about.
S1 (31:55):
I didn't even know you were going to be here.
And I said last week. Yeah, yeah. Oh wow. This
is I can prep for the podcast this week.
S2 (32:03):
I wanted to show up in some capacity. I just
had an important meeting that got scheduled at the same
time as the podcast. So I wanted to show up.
I just couldn't be here at that time slot.
S1 (32:12):
And that sounds again, like something that you learned when
you were really young coming out on you, this guilt thing, huh?
S2 (32:19):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We can. Oh, yeah. The Catholic guilt.
S1 (32:23):
Oh, man. That's another podcast.
S4 (32:25):
Another podcast, another podcast. We'll talk for about five hours
on that one. Yeah, yeah.
S1 (32:30):
But we're going to leave that. But listen, thank you
very much.
S4 (32:34):
Thank you for.
S1 (32:35):
Sharing your thoughts and some of your life and and
your dog. Thank you very much for for coming and
sharing this with me.
S4 (32:43):
Thanks for having us.
S1 (32:44):
And I know that folks are going to reach out
to you. I know they.
S4 (32:47):
Will.
S2 (32:47):
Oh, and I'll probably be at your The Legacy thing
next Sunday.
S4 (32:52):
Okay. You are.
S2 (32:52):
I will swing by if if? Yeah, that sounds really cool.
It's Father's day, so that. What a great way to
spend Father's Day.
S4 (32:58):
Oh.
S1 (32:59):
Yeah. It is. Yeah. The Sunday right.
S4 (33:02):
That Sunday it's Sunday.
S2 (33:03):
I can't come Monday, but I can probably swing by
on Sunday.
S1 (33:05):
Oh my.
S4 (33:06):
Gosh, I.
S2 (33:06):
Would love to check it.
S4 (33:07):
Out.
S1 (33:07):
I'll give you one of the flyers I have here.
S4 (33:09):
Perfect.
S1 (33:09):
Did you. Have you heard about it before?
S2 (33:11):
I haven't, so I'm really interested to hear especially that
word legacy. I'd love to hear what everyone's got going.
S4 (33:17):
On.
S1 (33:17):
So that when you show up, I'm going to tell
them I want credit for this lady.
S4 (33:20):
Being here.
S1 (33:21):
She's here because of me. Well, thank you very much.
S4 (33:25):
Thank you.
S1 (33:26):
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the only way you're going to fight ignorance and stupidity
stupidity is knowledge. Because. And remember this is what I
always say because knowledge is power.
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Cannabis enlightened. This is another episode
brought to you by March and Ash cannabis enlightened. And
I am Doctor Leroy. And it is a joy, a
real pleasure for me to be here with you today. Um,
you know, as always, we're sponsored by March and Ash
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and the people that make me sound so very good
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to either one of those and type in cannabis enlightened
or cannabis enlightened dot com. And you will get me.
I have a very special guest today, a lady that
has done a lot in the cannabis industry, and I'm
so very fortunate to have her. We we thought we
(01:34):
were going to meet earlier. Uh, but stuff happens and, and, uh,
I had to tell her that, hey, things happen. Just
call me and say, I can't do it and we'll reschedule.
But she was, uh, really biting off all her fingernails.
I hope her fingernails have grown back. Okay. They have
grown back. Uh, that. Just call Doctor Leroy and say, hey,
I can't make it. I'm. I'm. I'm making money, okay?
(01:57):
And I will. I will let you off the hook, but, uh,
our guest today is a very well worked person in cannabis, um,
Marissa Tickle. And she has a lot to give us today.
But before I go to her, I want to remind
the audience that there is a project here in San
(02:19):
Diego that's going to be at the Sherman Community Center,
and that's at 2258 Island Avenue here in San Diego. Sunday,
June the 15th and 16th from 1 to 5. It's
the Legacy Genetics project, the Legacy Genetics project. And these
are folks who are doing a compilation there. They are
(02:41):
putting together an oral history of cannabis. So we're really
looking for breeders and cultivators to come out. And people
like you and I who just want to find out
more about cannabis. But listen, if you will come out
and participate or just listen, it would be great. And
if you want more information about it, because I can't
(03:02):
give you everything. Before I get to our guest, you
can log on to WW. Log on and then you'll
find out a lot of information. But if you can
be there June the 15th and 16th, it would be great.
(03:23):
From 1 to 5 I think I will be there
myself talking to people, and I think we're going to
have a great time. All right. So Marissa Twichell.
S2 (03:32):
Yes, everybody. Everybody has a variation of Twichell.
S1 (03:36):
Okay. You. The first time I met you, I'm going
to tell the audience this. The first time I met
this lady, she wasn't working, or you were between jobs
I was. Yeah, and then before I could get her
on my program, she had, like, 5 or 6 jobs.
And right now, your regional sales director and regional social.
S2 (04:01):
Regional sales director for, uh, revelry and field trip. So
I oversee Southern California and the state of Arizona.
S1 (04:10):
Okay. And what, as you oversee it, what does that overseeing?
I mean.
S2 (04:15):
Um, mostly sales, I do. I've got my hands on
a lot of stuff. We have a fantastic marketing team
behind us. Um, so I don't do as much marketing
in this position as I used to, but still a
little bit with rolling classes and, um, different initiatives, but
mostly the sales aspect. So I help oversee some sales
(04:37):
team here in Southern California and then a sales team
in Arizona as well.
S1 (04:41):
And how did you how did you get that position?
Did you just just walk up and say, here I am?
S2 (04:47):
No, I actually, um, the founder, Brandon, I ran into
him now about a year and a half ago. At
the time, I think it was right around a year
at another shop here in San Diego. We were just
in the same kind of like meeting and exchange information. And, um,
a year later, he just asked if I might be
(05:10):
in the market for work. And we started a conversation
and took a couple weeks. And then I landed with revelry.
And I'm so happy at this job. Yeah. I've expressed
to you and our friend Deontay. Yeah it's a great
place to land and I'm I'm really excited to be
where I am.
S1 (05:28):
What are the products that we have?
S2 (05:30):
Flower pre-rolls uh revelry originally started with oh I didn't
oh that bag right there. Um, it's, uh, gear. It's
a lifestyle company. So we actually started with smell proof
waterproof gear. So pretty much everything that you see, even
that little bag right there, I use it as a
makeup case. Right. Most people would use it as a
(05:52):
stash bag. Um, but it is waterproof and smell proof.
S1 (05:57):
You know, I will confess to you, I saw that
when I was doing my quote unquote research. And when
I came to that, I said, this has got to
be wrong. This isn't cannabis. What is going on here?
Then I read a little bit more and started thinking
a little bit more. Doctor Leroy start thinking, and I
figured it out.
S2 (06:14):
Yeah, it's pretty dope. So we like we started with
the lifestyle gear and there's that side of the company.
And then down the road, the cannabis side started. And
that's where I came in on more of the direct
cannabis side of everything. But I knew who revelry was
years ago because of the gear. And just like the
presence that, um, the lifestyle revelry Supply company brings to
(06:40):
the cannabis company or the cannabis industry, right? Because like,
we have everything from large duffel bags to pelican cases
to stash bags to rolling kits. It's really, like pretty extensive.
S1 (06:52):
What do you focus on? Are you are you just
cannabis or are you?
S2 (06:55):
I'm on the cannabis side. I can do.
S1 (06:57):
Somebody.
S2 (06:57):
Else. I can help with anything. Um, but of course.
But my focus is definitely the cannabis aspect. Um, we
have two sides to the company, and I'm on the,
the direct cannabis side. So like working with shops such
as March and Ash or, um, shops all over California
and Arizona as well.
S1 (07:19):
What's the philosophy behind the bags? Is it to carry?
Is the purpose to carry in a very, you know,
unintrusive manner? I guess, uh, cannabis? Or was the goal
just to have something to carry a bag to carry
stuff in?
S2 (07:38):
I don't want to speak for the founders. This has
been around for like ten years. Um, but I think
that they were very innovative. Saw a need in the
legacy market for smell proof instead of just big black
duffel bags where it's, like, pretty apparent what may or
may not be in those bags. Right? Um, it's made it, like,
(08:02):
more fun. Like this one that I have is a camo.
We have, uh, all different designs and styles that you
can choose from. It just makes it more fun. And,
I mean, I use it for my luggage. I've got
a bunch of friends that are using. We have different styles,
but like a big like purse, laptop style. A bunch
of women in San Diego are all running around with
(08:23):
the leopard print of that. So. All right, it's it's fun.
It's fun.
S1 (08:27):
Okay, okay. So there is luggage.
S2 (08:30):
Yes.
S1 (08:31):
Okay. So I'm going to give you a little bit
later on, I'm going to give you an opportunity to
give us some contact information. Sure. How people can get
to that the website and how they can get to you.
S2 (08:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
S1 (08:42):
I see that, um, you know, maybe before the current
position you have right now with reverie, uh, you were
working with, um, women of cannabis. What? And that's intriguing
because as you and I have talked about before, the
cannabis industry is, um, I guess maybe male dominated. Um,
(09:03):
for sure. A lot of men, not that many women, um,
and maybe even maybe even fewer women at the, the
top executive positions, you know.
S2 (09:14):
100%.
S1 (09:15):
Where you are. So how did tell us something about
women of cannabis? And you know what kind of impact
that has had on the cannabis industry?
S2 (09:26):
Sure. Um, I'm really proud of the work that I
did with my partners, Katie and Kaylee with Women of Cannabis. Um,
I've talked about this a little bit, but it was
just like a really organic. It happened organically. We were just.
Katie had the idea to throw a small event for
women out in the desert. The desert doesn't get love
(09:49):
year round, um, because they have in-season and off season,
and not many people are going to Palm Springs when
it's 120 degrees, you know? So we just she decided
to focus on the women that were out in the
desert region. And we partnered with Doctor Green. Thumbs out
in Cat city. They had a consumption lounge and we
(10:10):
just threw like a little event. We didn't really expect
it to be anything crazy. Um, it was really fun.
We had, I think like 60 or 65 women show up.
It was a really cool couple hour event, consumption friendly.
S1 (10:25):
It was just for women.
S2 (10:26):
It was just for women. I mean, we allowed we
never didn't allow men, but it was a focus towards women.
I think a couple, I think 1 or 2 men
did show up to that, and we weren't really sure
what to do with it. Right? Because we were like.
S1 (10:37):
What do we do with these men here?
S2 (10:38):
Yeah, we want to be inclusive, but at the same
time we wanted to like provide a space for specifically
for women in our industry because there are not there
are some great initiatives that are women focused and women based, um,
blunt brunch amongst quite a few others. But we saw, well,
(11:00):
we didn't see until after this event, but we were
just kind of like focusing on women that maybe didn't
get a lot of love the way particularly bud tenders
in the area that they were. And then after that,
number one, we had a great time. But then we
started to get questions like, when's the next one? You know,
and we realized, wait, there's there's a need here. Mhm.
(11:22):
So the second one we ended up partnering with Green Street.
Shout out to Rama. He's always been a huge support.
Um and we through our second one in downtown LA
and that that's what that just changed everything.
S1 (11:35):
How long ago.
S2 (11:37):
Ooh I don't know.
S1 (11:39):
2423.
S2 (11:40):
21, 22.
S1 (11:41):
Okay. So it's been a while.
S2 (11:42):
It's been. Yeah, that was a while. 22 maybe, I
don't know, I'd have to look. And then, um.
S1 (11:48):
So is it is it your opinion, um, that women
feel more comfortable? Like, I know there are women gems, okay.
Just women gems. And I've talked to women that have
gone to the gyms and they say, you know, I
feel more comfortable going to all women's gym because I
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don't have to worry about, you know, being stared at
or competing with the men. Yeah. Do you feel that
same way with the women of cannabis?
S2 (12:16):
I don't know. I don't know. I think that, um,
to an extent, yes, but I think I think it
was just a really great opportunity for women to come
together from all over the state to, like, really network
and focus on each other, build those relationships. And, yeah,
I mean, even the industry is male dominated, that's for sure.
(12:38):
And so are events. Events are very male dominated too. So.
And I go to all the I go to so
many events, whether it's like a sesh or I've chilled
out a lot on it because I just don't have
the energy anymore. But, um, yeah, I've done all kinds
of events and they are they are definitely male dominated.
And a lot of times, like there are important women
(12:59):
involved and women do have a say and women do
have a lot of influence on the industry, but that's
not necessarily highlighted. and we wanted to highlight just women
coming together and supporting each other.
S1 (13:11):
You know, I got to ask the why question. Why
do you why do you think that is that you know,
there aren't as many women. I mean.
S2 (13:18):
Ooh, that's a good one. I think probably because historically
growers have tended to be men, cannabis growers in particular, growers, genetics,
all of the above. And then just in general, men
dominate the business world regardless of cannabis or not. And
it's even more, um, there's an even wider gap in
(13:42):
the cannabis space.
S1 (13:43):
So are you seeing more women? Using cannabis products?
S2 (13:50):
Yeah. I mean, last I knew, I haven't looked at
stats recently, but last it was a pretty popular conversation
the last few years that moms were the fastest growing
consumer of cannabis.
S1 (14:03):
Oh, my.
S2 (14:04):
Yeah.
S1 (14:04):
And now I as I'm looking at you now, you
kind of stressed moms. Is there a reason why moms
would be.
S2 (14:12):
I'm not surprised. I mean, we've had like wine culture.
I am a mom. And like, we you know, we've
had a drinking culture for so long where like, I mean,
you know, anywhere you go, alcohol is acceptable socially. Um,
whether you drink or not. And I think there's a
major tide shifting in that with a lot of people.
And there's a lot of great organizations and women in
(14:33):
particular really like speaking up and trying to change that. Like, okay,
you can have like mommy wine culture and have your
wine glass of wine at the end of the day
or bottle or whatever it is. Um, but people are
kind of like snubbing, maybe smoking a joint for that
same like relaxation or same me time, whatever that looks
like when we know, like the damaging effects are way
(14:56):
less when it comes to cannabis. Absolutely. You're not waking
up irritated with your kids or your toddler the next
morning because you drank or because you smoked a joint
or your bong or whatever it is. But that definitely
can happen when you're waking up.
S1 (15:09):
Um, I like the way you say. You said I'm not.
You're not waking up because, yeah, irritated because of the cannabis.
But you may wake up kind of irritated.
S2 (15:19):
If you have wine. Yeah. I mean, I've done it.
You know, I'm a mom, I, I still consume alcohol
and definitely used to consume more. So, um, I just
think that it's like a healthy outlet and option for
mom moms in particular to have, like, just to take
that breath, take that 15 minutes, chill out. It's not
like most moms aren't running around drunk and high, you know.
S1 (15:41):
But.
S2 (15:42):
To have some type of outlet for the end of
the day or whatever that looks like for you.
S1 (15:47):
Yeah. And the way you're putting it, it's not it's
not something that's going to prevent you from doing stuff.
S2 (15:54):
Yeah. I mean, assuming that it works for you, right?
I also don't believe cannabis works for everybody. I know
it's a very unpopular thing to say in this industry,
especially when you're in the industry. But I absolutely don't
think that it's positive for everybody. Um, and only, you know,
your limits and your consumption and what's helpful and what,
you know, what crosses the line between helpful and harmful.
(16:15):
So I think everybody's different.
S1 (16:18):
Yeah. In your experience, how how are women, um, consuming.
Because you just talked about smoking. So I'm sure that
you you've seen that a lot.
S2 (16:28):
Yeah. That's hard for me just because of, like, what
I am involved in and what my day to day
looks like. I see women ripping dabs and, like, smoking
bongs and, you know, I like I take part in
judging competitions. And so I see, like, a whole different
side than I think what your like average normal consumer is.
(16:48):
So I can't really answer that. My guess would be edibles.
I feel like edibles are discreet and low dose. I
see like when I'm in shops checking accounts and whatnot.
I see a lot of people asking about edibles, especially
that like middle age and older group. Um, they tend
to more want to consume tinctures or topicals or edibles
(17:10):
rather than a smokable. I think it's less intimidating.
S1 (17:14):
How about the drinks.
S2 (17:16):
Fast growing category? I know a lot of I think
there's a lot of stable drinks now. I know it's
been a really tough category in the past. Yeah, we're
just not there yet. But we're on our way.
S1 (17:28):
Okay. Okay. All right. So of the women that you
have been working with, um, and you kind of answered
this question just a minute ago because you're talking about
the different age groups.
S2 (17:45):
Sure.
S1 (17:45):
Are there age groups that prefer one, you know, way
of of consuming?
S2 (17:53):
That would be my guess. My guess is, like the
younger you are, the more likely you are to smoke
unless you've been an OG smoker for a long time. Um,
I think a lot of older people are people that
have not really consumed and are getting into cannabis now
that it's legalized and don't have a history. I think
that smoking is like very intimidating. You have the sense
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people are worried about their lungs. Um, just the whole
process of it, whether it's rolling a joint, rolling a blunt,
packing a bong, packing a bowl, taking a dab, all
of that can feel really out of touch and really
intimidating to certain demographics. Whereas if you just pop a gummy,
you know, all you have to do is figure out
your dosing. And if you start low and go slow,
(18:37):
you most likely won't find yourself in any trouble.
S1 (18:40):
I like the way you've said that. And I stress
that all the time on my on my program. Start slow.
You know, maybe even break it in half sometimes. Maybe
in fourths for sure. And but you got to wait.
I don't know if people if you come across people
that are, you know, having problems with waiting.
S2 (18:57):
Oh, I've done it to myself.
S1 (19:00):
In what way?
S2 (19:01):
Just being impatient and over consuming. Um, particularly not waiting
enough time. Everybody's metabolism is different. I have a friend who.
Edibles don't affect this man. I don't I don't know
what I want. His metabolism. He can drink coffee at
9:00 at night and go to sleep.
S3 (19:19):
Oh, man.
S2 (19:20):
He can literally take 1000 milligram like shots or edibles
and just be totally fine. 1000mg if I consume. Yes,
we've done it on video. We've tested this guy. Oh, my.
If I did 1000mg, I'm not coming out of my
room or bed for like, at least 4 to 5 days. Like,
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there's just no way.
S3 (19:41):
Because you can't find the door. I, I.
S2 (19:43):
Would be so knocked out.
S3 (19:45):
Yeah.
S2 (19:46):
But yeah, I just I tell everybody especially like when you're,
if you're a beginner or if you're trying to figure
out your dosing like it's better to not be high
enough and try again with a little bit more the
next time than to get yourself too high. And then
I've had effects where, like, I'm waking up high in
the morning and I can do that, but a lot
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most people can't, you know.
S1 (20:09):
Well, I think maybe the key is, you know what's
going on.
S2 (20:13):
Sure. Yeah. That's helpful. And I also learned, like I've
learned throughout the years, if I'm not having a great time,
if I've over consumed or consumed something that wasn't necessarily
working with my system, I just rather than sit there
and be in my head about it, I just get
my dog who's right over there. Obviously my comfort and like, um,
(20:33):
I go to my room and put on salt lamps
and lay in bed and whether I'm like reading a
book or on my phone, or if I just have
to lay there and chill out, I've figured out how
to make it and not overwhelming experience. So I would
hate for a beginner to have an overwhelming experience because
that could be a real turnoff long term. Um, for me,
(20:54):
I am a very conscious consumer. I only consume like
certain in certain scenarios and at certain times, because I've
just learned that being high all the time doesn't work
for me. Yeah, it's just not it just it's not
working for me, so I don't.
S3 (21:12):
Yeah.
S1 (21:13):
So so speaking of getting high, most people, a lot
of people, some people, um, they know cannabis from the
standpoint of THC.
S3 (21:23):
And.
S1 (21:23):
CBD.
S2 (21:24):
Sure.
S1 (21:25):
And when you go into that, that realm, they they
know enough that the THC is the getting high part.
S3 (21:32):
Sure.
S1 (21:33):
And the CBD is more of, like, the pain relieving,
you know, to help you. Um, I'm, I come from
the school of of that thc is a little bit
of of medicine too.
S2 (21:46):
Oh, 1,000,000%, right? Yeah, absolutely.
S1 (21:49):
Um, it kind of like lays the path so the
CBD can get in there and really work. Um, yeah.
Is it as easy for people just to look for
CBD and THC? In your opinion?
S2 (22:04):
Um, I think CBD is way more accessible. We don't
have like the federal, the federal and state regulations, um,
on CBD, like you could go on you can get
be targeted with an ad on Instagram and buy CBD
shipped directly to your house. Can't really do that with THC.
I mean, you can do it locally if it's if
(22:24):
you're allowed to within your city and state. Um, but
the regulations are totally different. And then there's just all
these other minor cannabinoids like CBD and THC, VA. And
we're starting to see a lot more of those enter
the market. Um, there's a really great strain pink boost
(22:44):
goddess that I'm a big fan of.
S1 (22:46):
I've heard of that.
S2 (22:47):
I love I love it. Um, they're a farm out
of Mendocino, and they have THC. VA helps me because
it helps me not. It can be an appetite suppressant
for some people, so it helps me not get the
munchies when I eat everything. My friend gave me a
clip that goes on like snacks and it says don't
open me or just high because.
S1 (23:09):
It's.
S2 (23:09):
Like, I know because it's like I'm not even hungry.
And then I might get high at like 9:00 at
night on the couch, like watching my bad TV. And
then all of a sudden I just want to eat,
like the munching in the house. Yeah. And I don't
want to be doing that.
S1 (23:23):
Things, things, things salty and things sweet, for sure. Something
that crunches.
S2 (23:27):
Yeah, exactly. And then it's like, you know, but there's
all these other minor cannabinoids, like, you can use CBD
for sleep, and there's just so many others. And I'm
really excited because we are talking about those much more.
And within the industry, it's been a conversation for a
long time. There's been a lot of research and we're
learning more and more, but I'm seeing it slowly trickle
down to the consumer. Um. And that excites.
S1 (23:50):
Me. Yeah. It sounds like you're really. You're really talking
about a lot of things, but you're talking two things.
Stand out. Um, knowing yourself and knowing what you're putting
in yourself. Well, you know, one of the things that
that I fight on a regular basis, and perhaps you
do too, is, um, trying to get people to not
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feel and think that cannabis is this demon.
S2 (24:16):
The stigma. Yeah.
S1 (24:17):
The stigma is really, really strong still.
S2 (24:20):
Well, think about it. Think about like the propaganda going
through dare class and like third grade and they're telling
you like or like remember the commercials from the 90s? Like,
this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs
and frying an egg.
S1 (24:33):
Yeah.
S2 (24:33):
But it's like they were equating that with anything, including cannabis.
S1 (24:38):
Exactly.
S2 (24:38):
So, I mean, I've talked about this before, but I
got kicked off of a sports team, you know, when
I was young because I, they found out I smoked
weed and like, uh, yeah, it's just the repercussions have
been there, you know, whereas, like, if I got caught
drinking alcohol, I probably would have just got suspended for
a couple games or something. But the weed. No. See
(24:59):
you later.
S1 (25:01):
So funny.
S2 (25:02):
I know, I know, so it's it's really interesting to
see like how it's all changed and continues to change.
S1 (25:08):
You know, I've, I've heard athletes talk about, um, consuming cannabis,
a professional athletes that, um, they go through two and
three workouts a day.
S2 (25:23):
Yeah.
S1 (25:23):
A day. And I guess that's only right, because being
an athlete, if you're paying somebody a lot of money.
S2 (25:28):
And paid to do.
S1 (25:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they told me that they needed
something that would help them relax and recover, and that
cannabis helped them do that.
S2 (25:39):
Yeah, absolutely. It's I mean, there are trainers out there
that are for like conscious consumption. I love seeing all
the cool things. Like someone I know just did a
sound bath where everyone got high and then laid down
and they did a sound bath for them.
S1 (25:54):
I got to ask you, because of your background and
you know what you've been doing, talk to me about
the state of the cannabis industry. Where where are from from.
I she's looking. Marissa's looking back. You said you weren't
(26:14):
going to ask me hard questions.
S2 (26:17):
No, it's.
S1 (26:18):
Just from your point of view.
S2 (26:20):
Gosh, it's I mean, there's positives and negatives. I think
because of what I do, it's easy to get caught
up in the negatives just because of, like, taxation and
federal regulations. And I mean, what I do is still
federally illegal, which is just mind blowing. I don't think
people really think about that. Like on a state level
and a city level, what I do is fine. So,
for example, if I'm driving down the five with cannabis,
(26:45):
if like a San Diego police officer pulls me over
or like, you know, city or state cop, they're not
going to be super concerned if I have some cannabis
on me. Whereas like Border Patrol, because they're under a federal,
they are a federal agency. It's their discretion. They could
make my life very difficult or arrest me or whatever. Um,
(27:06):
for things that like state police and city police may
not do. So that's tough. The taxation huge issue. I mean,
you walk into a dispensary and you're paying 37% taxes
or more, depending on, you know, it's tough. And so
that part of it, I can get into a negative
headspace and feel defeated sometimes. Um, but on the flip side,
(27:29):
for patients or for customers or for like your regular
person in the world, like the accessibility that the education, um,
just all of that is changed. I mean, you and
I come from a generation where you'd get arrested for
smoking a joint, and now we're selling millions of weed
a month. You know, I.
S1 (27:50):
Come from a generation where, if you think about.
S2 (27:52):
It.
S1 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah.
S2 (27:53):
Yeah. I mean.
S1 (27:54):
You're even thinking about it.
S2 (27:56):
Exactly. And our generations are different, right? But, like, even
my generation, it it just was such a thing. And
so I'm somebody who always likes to push the envelope.
So this is like, really on par for me.
S1 (28:08):
Okay. Something tells me that you're a risk taker.
S2 (28:10):
Mhm. Just a.
S1 (28:11):
Little.
S2 (28:11):
Bit.
S1 (28:12):
Well I'll have two of those.
S2 (28:14):
Yeah. Exactly. But yeah. So there's, there's negative and positive
with the state of the cannabis industry I'm happy about
the accessibility. I'm happy about the education. I'm happy about
the expansion. We just have a lot more work to do.
And I'd like to really see people come together and
do that work, rather than a lot of the infighting
that happens within the industry. We are so small. Like
(28:35):
once you're like in it, you know, it becomes a
smaller community and there is so much like disagreement and
fighting that I don't think necessarily helps, like the bigger picture,
but I think it's all a part of it and
it will end up where it's supposed to end up.
It's just a matter of time.
S1 (28:50):
Okay, well, we're winding down, but I don't want to
leave out, and I want to make sure I give
a little bit of love to your little dog that
you referred to earlier. And I know folks can't see her,
but you want to.
S2 (29:05):
That's dotty. Um, she is a rescue, and she came from.
We think she came from TJ. Um, we think she's, like,
11 years old, but she's been with me for almost
nine and a half years, so she comes with me
kind of everywhere. Most, uh, a lot of the bud
tenders in the state are familiar with Dotty. I'll walk
(29:25):
into a shop to, like, check accounts, and they'll know
her name and not necessarily mine after all these years.
S1 (29:31):
So who are you? Yeah, yeah.
S2 (29:33):
She gets a lot of attention. So she's fun.
S1 (29:36):
And I think you may have mentioned before that you
worked with rescue animals for a long time.
S2 (29:42):
I used to volunteer. I don't have the time because
of my travels. Now I can't do it anymore. But
I fostered and adopted out nine different dogs.
S1 (29:50):
Oh my gosh.
S2 (29:51):
Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. My daughter really wanted a
dog when she was in high school, and I knew
I wasn't in a position to necessarily adopt one until
daddy came along and I had her for six months.
Everyone was like, that is your dog. And I was
in denial. I was I tried to get my mom
to adopt her, tried to get everybody to adopt her.
But she's definitely like my my soul mate. So we're
(30:13):
meant to be.
S1 (30:14):
Well, God love you. God love you. So, listen, um,
this has been fantastic.
S2 (30:19):
Yeah. Thank you for having me.
S1 (30:20):
It's been great. How? You said a lot. Just come
short of saying. You've said a lot of important things.
Everything you said was important. Okay, so I know there
are folks that are going to listen to this that say,
you know what, Doctor Leroy is okay. They better say that.
S2 (30:38):
But no. You're amazing.
S1 (30:39):
I want to I want to get his guest. How
do I get. How do people reach you?
S2 (30:46):
Um, I am on LinkedIn. So, Marissa Twitchell, it's t
w I c h e l l. And then I'm
also on Instagram. Um, Marissa. Twitch m a r I
a t w I h. I do keep that private
just because I don't want to get deleted, but, um,
those are probably the two best ways. I do read
(31:07):
all of my message requests and do get back to people.
So I would say LinkedIn or Instagram.
S1 (31:12):
Okay. Okay. Well, listen, Marissa Twitchell, I want to thank you.
Thank you. You are a very dynamic and accomplished woman.
S2 (31:21):
Thank you, I appreciate that.
S1 (31:22):
Um, and I am so glad that, you know, I
waited this morning. I waited by my phone. I said,
I wonder.
S2 (31:30):
Is she going to cancel.
S1 (31:31):
Again? She's going to call me. I should, I should,
I should I put on that shirt? What? And I said,
you know what I'm going to do? Like, Melissa, I'm
going to take the I'm going to be risky. I'm
going to go for it.
S2 (31:42):
I told you I'd be here.
S1 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah you did.
S2 (31:45):
I love it, though, because even though we had to reschedule,
I mean, shoot, we sat here for a good hour
and a half last week. And me, you and, uh, Deontay. Yeah,
we have a lot to talk about.
S1 (31:55):
I didn't even know you were going to be here.
And I said last week. Yeah, yeah. Oh wow. This
is I can prep for the podcast this week.
S2 (32:03):
I wanted to show up in some capacity. I just
had an important meeting that got scheduled at the same
time as the podcast. So I wanted to show up.
I just couldn't be here at that time slot.
S1 (32:12):
And that sounds again, like something that you learned when
you were really young coming out on you, this guilt thing, huh?
S2 (32:19):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We can. Oh, yeah. The Catholic guilt.
S1 (32:23):
Oh, man. That's another podcast.
S4 (32:25):
Another podcast, another podcast. We'll talk for about five hours
on that one. Yeah, yeah.
S1 (32:30):
But we're going to leave that. But listen, thank you
very much.
S4 (32:34):
Thank you for.
S1 (32:35):
Sharing your thoughts and some of your life and and
your dog. Thank you very much for for coming and
sharing this with me.
S4 (32:43):
Thanks for having us.
S1 (32:44):
And I know that folks are going to reach out
to you. I know they.
S4 (32:47):
Will.
S2 (32:47):
Oh, and I'll probably be at your The Legacy thing
next Sunday.
S4 (32:52):
Okay. You are.
S2 (32:52):
I will swing by if if? Yeah, that sounds really cool.
It's Father's day, so that. What a great way to
spend Father's Day.
S4 (32:58):
Oh.
S1 (32:59):
Yeah. It is. Yeah. The Sunday right.
S4 (33:02):
That Sunday it's Sunday.
S2 (33:03):
I can't come Monday, but I can probably swing by
on Sunday.
S1 (33:05):
Oh my.
S4 (33:06):
Gosh, I.
S2 (33:06):
Would love to check it.
S4 (33:07):
Out.
S1 (33:07):
I'll give you one of the flyers I have here.
S4 (33:09):
Perfect.
S1 (33:09):
Did you. Have you heard about it before?
S2 (33:11):
I haven't, so I'm really interested to hear especially that
word legacy. I'd love to hear what everyone's got going.
S4 (33:17):
On.
S1 (33:17):
So that when you show up, I'm going to tell
them I want credit for this lady.
S4 (33:20):
Being here.
S1 (33:21):
She's here because of me. Well, thank you very much.
S4 (33:25):
Thank you.
S1 (33:26):
Listen, ladies and gentlemen, Brothers and sisters, thank you very
much for listening to Cannabis Enlightened. And remember, you can
hear this episode and all the cannabis episode episodes on
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(33:51):
I always say, you can reach me to shoot me and, um,
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you feel about the show. I can be reached at
Doctor Leroy cannabis enlightened. Com that's doctor Cannabis enlightened. Com
and remember we always say here on this program that
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the only way you're going to fight ignorance and stupidity
stupidity is knowledge. Because. And remember this is what I
always say because knowledge is power.
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