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August 8, 2025 27 mins

Richard Chew is joined by Mark K. Updegrove, president and CEO of the LBJ Foundation, presidential historian for ABC News, and author of six books on the presidency.

Updegrove discussed President Lyndon Baines Johnson's important legacy, particularly the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He highlighted Johnson's political courage in pushing through the legislation despite warnings of losing the South. Updegrove emphasized Johnson's complex nature, his understanding of power, and his impact on modern America. He also touched on the role of Lady Bird Johnson in supporting her husband's presidency. The conversation concluded with a discussion of the current lack of courageous leadership and the importance of historical education and understanding.

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