Community Connection August 11th, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
And good afternoon, and welcome to Community Connection. I'm Tina Cosby.
Today is Monday, August the eleventh. Three one seven four
eight zero thirteen ten. Three one seven four eight zero
thirteen ten is the number two Community Connection. Three one
seven four eight zero thirteen ten. That's the number on

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the show today. We're going to share some national developments
that beg the age old question could it happen here?
It's an important question we should all be seriously asking
ourselves about. I'll get to the latest example in just
a moment on the show at the bottom of this hour,
about one thirty or so. Abdulah Kiem Shabaz is going

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to join us. Abdulla is, of course the host of
Abdulah at Large Herd Saturdays from one to three on
our sister station WIBC. He's also an attorney, journalist, award
winning political writer, and educator. We're going to talk to
Abdul about a couple of things, including what his thoughts
are about the possibility of a redistricting here in Indiana,

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as well as how he thinks tonight's City County Council
meeting is going to go.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Tonight's meeting is a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's when the mayor, Mayor Joehawk said, will present his
budget for the twenty twenty six year for next year
twenty twenty six for the city of Indianapa. So a
lot to talk with Abdul about and again that's coming
up around one thirty. Finally, we still have tickets to
give away for that reserved seating, deserved seating at this

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Sunday's Gospel Music Festival at the Indiana State Fair, featuring
none other than the great Gospel Great Marvin Sapp. So
stay tuned for your chance to win those reserved seats.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
The tickets are going to be.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Up for grabs pretty soon, you know, sometime throughout the
course of the shell.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Soe stay tuned for your chance to win.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
As I was saying, a number of developments that happened
that beg the question could have happened here? And just
a short time ago, mid to late morning, Donald Trump
and his administration declared a state of emergency for the
City of Washington, d C. A state of emergency for

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the City of Washington, d C. They laid out plans
to place the DC Police Department under federal control, and
they outline the deployment of National Guard troops throughout the district.
Why well, I mean, yeah, my guess would be that

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it's another distraction from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, which he
cannot control because new developments each day and things tend
to keep circling back to that. But with this situation,
as that he is known to do, he's creating a
solution without a problem. And the fact that this solution

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without a problem is something he can easily control and
get a lot of eyes on and a lot of
people talking about it and including us, I'm going to
tell you, you know, we need to pay attention. But again,
the question is could it happen here? Because if he
gets away, if it happens in DC, any city that
he chooses, in the state of Indiana or across.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
The country, that he chooses to take over.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
He can do it if there's no resistance or or
no questions about that. And you know, conversely, perhaps on
a local level, the governor Mike Bron, who tends to
mimic and just go along with whatever Trump does. You know,
Bron has long warned about crime in Indianapolis and has

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gone after the prosecutor Ryan Meersh and the mayor threatening
state control. Uh So, uh these you know, federal agents
coming in and controlling cities, you know, state agencies coming
in and controlling state towns and cities. That's that's a
real problem. Anyway, when I say that that, it's it's

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something that he apparently is lying about. And again three
one seven, four eight zero thirteen ten three one seven
uh four eight zero thirteen ten is a number if
you want to weigh in on that, or if you
saw anything this morning, you know, by all means, your
you know, your take is good. You know, when I

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say creating a solution without a problem and creating a
reality basically just lying about a reality that doesn't exist,
I will say, Okay, for all you Trump supporters out
there and there there are enough to call the show
that I can say Trump supporters. You know, maybe you
don't like the word lie. Okay, how about blatantly false information?

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Blatantly false information? We'll say that. And here's what I mean,
according to the most recent FBI statistics. Again the FBI,
which is under his control, right, okay, so follow me here.
The FBI is under his control. Their latest figures show
and let's look at the national crime rates versus Washington

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d C crime rates the most recent. And there was
even one outlet I can't remember which one it was
that held these held up some of these figures the
whole time that Trump was talking and his deal, you know,
all of the other folks these statistics just so people
could read the screen and see, I got some of those,

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and I got some of them just you know, from
going into the FBI's latest statistics.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
And here we go.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
So here's a look at national crime rates versus Washington
d C crime rates, the most recent from the FBI
sourcing is everything. Overall, nationally, crime is down.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Four point five percent.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Overall in Washington d C crime is down twenty six percent.
That's down DWN down twenty six percent. Overall, national homicides
are down fourteen point nine percent. That's across the nation,
down fourteen point nine percent.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
In Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Homicides are down twelve percent again, down twelve percent.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Overall robberies.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
National robbery rate down eight point nine percent nationally in
Washington d C down twenty eight percent, down twenty eight percent.
And again he just stood at the podium and painted
a picture of a city on fire, you know, just
rape and pillaging and.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
All is just horrible. It's just horrible.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And we're going to get our We're going to take
our city back, you know, kind of will you take
the country back? And this one Washington d C alone,
sex abuse, This one was the most impressive one in.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Washington d C.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
From twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five year to date,
sex abuse and sex crimes are down forty nine percent
forty nine percent. Again, those are crime stats from the FBI.
A quick footnote to the so called just out of
control crime problems in DC, where you got to call
in the National Garden, declare state of emergency, have the

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Department of Justice take over the DC Police Department, because
it's horrible, it's awful, it's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Trump announced that he was going to get rid of
all the homeless camps in DC as well, all the
homeless camps. Didn't say where he was going to put
all the homeless people or what the plan was, But
we're going to do that too, because we're going to
clean this city up and DC hasn't done it, so
it's going to take it.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I am the one that can do it. I have
to clean it up. So the assumption that the city
of DC is.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
On fire without a control crime and homelessness simply does
not add up. The numbers do not lie his own department,
the FBI. These are their numbers. So this is classic
classic Trump gas lighting. Gas lighting And if you don't

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know what that is, it's the equivalent the old saying
goes someone urinating down your back on a sunny day
and telling you, insisting to you that it is. That's
what went on a little more than an hour ago
in the nation's capital. And that is the non problem
that he is just going to throw a whole lot
of your taxpayer money and resources at for something that

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doesn't exist. And across the board, when you look at
crime figures across the board, I didn't make these up.
These came directly from the FBI. So when you put
those in the face of what they all stood up
there and said, I mean, it's insanity. It's a form

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of lunacy. As far as I can tell, I mean,
I don't know what more to say. I really don't.
But the question that I asked, could it happen here? Absolutely?
Pay attention. Pay attention. They're just slowly, you know, they're
slow walking it in exact city by city, example by example.
And the fact that Indiana is so vulnerable to these

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types of things because it is so Republican and such
a state that that is just in awe of Donald Trump.
It probably very easily could happen here. And that's just
that's just a quick note to make yourselves aware of.
Three one, seven for eight, zero, thirteen, ten. Let's let's

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go to the phone lines. Kevin, how are you, Kevin?
Are you there?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Hey, Tina?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm doing well? How are you all right?

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (10:23):
I heard some other day and it makes a whole
lot of sense. Bear with me with the honest redistricting that,
like I said, they usually do it every ten years
and the census, well, but I understand it is unconstitutional. Also,
what I understand too. Depending on one time they trying
to roll this out, it will take the Supreme Court
up until somewhere around December to be able to hear

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the case. So by the time they do that, it's
already starting to get into the twenty six mere term elections.
So even though it's unconstitutional, they haven't made a ruling yet,
so the ballots and stuff have to go out. You
can't hold up the a term election even though you
know it's unconstitutional. So they said, when I understand what
will happen is sometime in late twenty twenty six that

(11:09):
they will say, okay, yeah, that was unconstitutional. But by
the end, the damage already done. You've already had the
midterm election, you already moved districts.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
You can't go back.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
You can say from this forward, this time forward, you
can't do this, but you can't go back.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
The Supreme Court, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
Been a play.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, I definitely could see they've been a play.

Speaker 10 (11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
They're very clever.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're very clever about timing, and they can move as
quickly as they want to, or they can move as
slowly as they want to, but it's usually their timing
is usually in favor of Trump and his administration. I
mean automatically, you can just you can just bet on that.
And if it does get to that point, I wouldn't
be surprised, Kevin, I would not be surprised.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Okay, Well, like I said, I definitely can see that happening.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, we all could. Yeah, it's boy. Indeed, Thanks, I
appreciate it. Three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten,
three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten. Kevin makes
a tremendous point. And the Supreme Court really, to me,
they're just acting like a political action committee for Donald
Trump and friends. They're not acting like and I'm talking

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about the majority, certainly, not talking about the three member minority,
but I am talking about the majority of the justices.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
They're they're just there. They're there for him for whatever
he wants.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And they make it known without saying it with their actions.
So Kevin was absolutely correct about that being a possibility.
Three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten, three one
seven for eight zero thirteen ten. Hi, Jeff, do you
have a good weekend?

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Yes, I did. How you doing? You know yours?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
It was good? It was good.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Got to do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Went out to the I went out to the fair,
and uh, the fair may be pricing them, I don't know,
they pricing themselves out of the market because some of
that stuff was out rageous. And I mean you always
know every year, even when you're younger, that you pay
a little bit more when you go to the county fair,
the state fair, you know, whatever kind of you know,

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you pay a little more because it's that's the thing.
But I just I just did a little sight seeing,
you know, a little little reconnaissance mission, and the prices
to me this year are just a little bit higher
than what they normally are, but have to cover inflation.
So you know, the food was just as the food
was still good, atmosphere was still good.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
It was all good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Yeah, you think those chairs have anything to do with it?

Speaker 8 (13:28):
Could be?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Could be?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I went, you know, I went in the cattle
bar and I couldn't stomach the pig thing up there
the Farm Bureau building.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I had to turn back around.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
But I went into you know where the prize cows are,
and you know, people live in those exhibition halls. I
mean they literally set up campsites, tents and things, and
they live with their animals. But I did notice that,
and again I'm not an expert on livestock and of
the of the kind. But people, you know, they they

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had one or two, they didn't have more than you know,
because I think back in the day you would have
two or three that you would show or whatever. It
seemed like the number that were there was down. And
I don't know what that is about. And maybe that's
just about my ignorance too, not knowing.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Well yeah, well yeah, well yeah it all makes sense.
But you know, I was, you know, I warned the
way to have do call in, but I don't think
I have enough time.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
But yeah, he'll be here at the we'll be here one.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Day and to get his perspective by what's going on
in DC.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
But you know.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
The term gas light or gaslight Jahn's from an old
nineteen forties movie. Okay, yeah, if you ever get each
other the starn Igrett Bergman and Charles Bouliet, Okay about
a about a man who was trying to say his
wife was crazy. Well, he was doing all these gascerately
things behind her back, like he would move the furniture

(14:57):
around and uh, she would come into what are the
furnitures all different. Well you wanted it, yeah, remember you
one of the furniture really yeah, yeah, you know me
do a lot of sneaks. You said, and that's where
the term gas light he comes from.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
What was the movie, Jeff, what was the name of
the movie, if you don't mind.

Speaker 11 (15:13):
Gas light?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh, it's called gas Light. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Yeah, that's where you cant said. That's where the term
gaslight comes from because of this movie called Gaslight.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Okay, I got it.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
I think it was like, yeah, nineteen forty three. I
believe I could be wrong. Yeah, Inger bird Man. Anyway,
you know, Tina, you know you talked about the Supreme Court.
You know, we talked about the four the three branches,
the executive, the judiciary, and the legislative. Well there is
a fourth one that people don't know about.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
The fourth one is.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
The fourth state.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, go ahead, you.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Know, the people, the American people. We got to say
so in this matter. And one of the core things
the fascism is is looking for It has a solution
for a problem that does not exist. It is a
solution looking for a problem. Yeah, and one an escapegoating.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
And we saw a little bit that just summer where
the governor want to send him the state police to
help out just our local police department. So you know, yeah,
we know crime is down, and do you think maybe
the uh Epstein might have something to do with it?

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, that's that's exactly how I led into it.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think it's a distraction and you know what, it
might last for a day, but everything's going to circle
back because there was some judicial action on the Epstein
case UH today or some news about that that the
federal judges refused to open the files, and folks are
going to get into that a little bit more too.
But yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. He can't
he can't control that. He can't control the Epstein.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Well that's the Frankenstein monster of his own making, you know. So,
and now that it's out of control, now he's in
patent money, he's coming all these raconian ideas about the
National Guard and all this take our civil liberties. But
you know, elections have consequences, and we voted for you know,

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it's not a problem until it shows up on your
front door. And and that's the and that's problem, and
that's part of the problem. You know uh, you know, uh,
apathy and complacency is what grows down the Roman Empire,
you know. But the loans is not affecting me.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
Loans.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
I can watch the NFL and you know, and uh,
days are lives and you know all that, I'm okay
until the shows up on your front door. Now we
got farmers, you're feeling the heat, uh, being laidoff jobs
all because of this man. He wants to get tax
breaks to millionaires, millionaires. So yeah, I got a problem

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with that, Tina. And so what we need to do is,
you know.

Speaker 12 (17:52):
Maybe this is what you know what I In.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
Some ways, I'm kind of glad Trump did get elected
because some of us do need a wake up call. Ye, so,
don't believe water.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Is swat a right, that's my saying. You don't believe
water is wet and a wake up call absolutely. Let's
just hope that not too much damage is done before
the wake up is the call, you know. Let's hope
it'll not be on the point of no return.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
Well yeah, I don't. Yeah, but you know, it's time
for people to you know, get out of their comfort
zones and and uh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
To get woke.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
People No, I got a problem with the word woo,
but woke means to be aware, to be enlightened, knowledge
because some of you guys are asleep, a sleep at
the wheel, absolutely, and that was one to hope Abdu
waking up these days because Uh, Abdul, you know, he's uh,
he's he he uh, he's been of an eniaghbler for

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these kind of people. And uh, you know, I'm not
gonna double dip, but I want to hear what he
has to say about all the Shenani gives that the
orange fascist tigerant it's up to.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, We're I'm curious, all right, Thank you, Jeff, appreciate it.
Appreciate your call. Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten.
Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. And again,
Abdula Keem shabaz Uh is going to be joining us
at the bottom of the hour. We're gonna talk to politics.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
He.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I guess you could even call him a political insider.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
He's the editor and publisher of the political website Indie
politics dot org.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
He hosts Abdullah at Large right here on our sister
station WIBC on Saturdays, and he's also an attorney educator Uh,
and a whole lot more so. Adula is out there.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Uh, and he has had some opinions, uh, you know,
lean conservative, some opinions that are surprisingly not conservative. So
in the in the truest sense of the word conservatism,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
But we're gonna hear from you.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Uh three one, seven, four, eight, zero thirteen ten, Sam,
go ahead, how are you?

Speaker 13 (19:52):
All I got to say is that Jeff Dyll dittle, dittle, little,
ditto little. We cannot be complacent, y'all, black boat, because
I watched TVs and stuff that y'all the you young
people never had to deal with when I was growing up.

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Get to the back of the bus, back of the restaurant,
back of everything, fight for everything we had to do.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (20:20):
Off the chain, I'm I'm feeling Oxey Moore and all
the things you were saying that were positive about d C.
Why isn't the president pointing that out? It's DC, and
you're seeing these numbers were going down, Like what.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's not expedient, it's not what he it's not what
he needs right now. See, he goes he's got a
he's got a playbook. You know, he goes back to
the you know what, I'm saying, it's a playbook.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, it's what it's Hiller's playbook.

Speaker 9 (20:51):
Julia, watch TVs.

Speaker 14 (20:53):
Watch.

Speaker 13 (20:54):
I watched something on on Hitler, the rides and stuff.
Actually Hitler went to jail too. I was like, Oh
my god, that's America today. We cannot be a black
folk black folk listen at this point, at that mid term,
the midterm that's coming up. I'm saying, I don't care

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if it's Mickey Mouse, Big Birds, uh Manny and Mickey.
We need to get our democracy back. We need to
get it back because guess what I was watching. You
know the reason why they don't want us to have
TVs because PBS is like not controlled by nobody, and

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they show the truth. Because guess what them busses that
came for the uh the Jews in uh In in Germany,
they also went to poland there were Polish people that
were also in constitution. They'll come for you. Guess what,
We'll be the first on the list. Oh yeah, we're
gonna put y'all because y'all been mayored and presidents governs. Yeah,

(21:58):
we're coming for you. And we cannot be asleep at
the wheel. We've got to I don't care who's from
who is running Democrat. We got to get them in
so we could get the mess out and then then
stay on the back of the people that we elect
that you need to tell the truth, share the truth,
and do the truth and and and don't sit back,

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you know, don't landing our Democrats. And there's some that
will stand up. I'll tell you some them will, but
we cannot stand. They cannot stand back and say, well,
it's no, no, no, no, it's the vote, vote vote
vote vote.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, it's but you know what, it's not just that,
it's it's not just a and I think we got
to figure out some kind of way, uh to make
people take somebody with them, because that's how you that's.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Not only go yourself, but take somebody with you.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
There needs may be a campaign as such, you know,
like when you go, yeah, when you go, take somebody
with you, because that just it just makes all the
difference in the world. And you know there, you know there,
there was a group of us, there were four of us,
my friends, and we would make on election day. We

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would always vote early, and we'd make a morning out
of it. We'd go maybe on a Saturday morning or
so we'd all go vote and then we'd go out
to breakfast and you know, laugh, have a nice time
and then yeah, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 13 (23:25):
Start with family number one. Two, start with your friends
number two, then with your neighbors number three. And also
in your church, we got a bus. Get your get
your members together, get on a busy.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, they have the souls to the polls, and I'm
sure that that'll be back in you know, in uh,
you know, in force, you know, this next election cycle.
But you know, like you say, Sam and Jeff and
and Kevin and everybody has said, it has to come
from it has to be a grassroots level.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, real simple, like nobody.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Told us to, you know, the four of us to
get together and you know, do you know, make a
day out of it. But the first thing we did
that day was we all went to vote, and if
somebody wasn't available, we would call that one person, well
when are you going, you know, just to key, I'm going,
I'm going.

Speaker 13 (24:16):
And we need to do another thing we need to do,
and I apologize, Well, go ahead, go ahead with but
but my parents taught me to show respect. Another thing
we need to do. We need to tell the children
our young people because they get to get on a
bus to get to school. We didn't have that privilege.
We need to let them. We need to share our

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history twenty four steps. We need to share our history,
not on just the month of February. We got to
let folks know what's going on. Because see I was
watching something on PBS. That's why they hate PBS. What
could happen to the Jews? That could happen to us
because they were taking the posts. They've taken the Jews, okay,

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and these are people who were they were sent it
and had their families and their businesses and they took them.
Why because they were just that put a storm. Don't
think that they can't come with us if they're testing
come around with these unmarked, big old bands, people at
mask on and pulling people in that that look is fanning.

(25:19):
I mean they could pull you in and you may
not even be a static because of our mixed right
make up, in our in our in our community and
our family. You're right, okay, you look Mexican because nobody's
saying oh yeah, not saying well, what's your name are?

Speaker 5 (25:37):
You?

Speaker 13 (25:38):
Look at boom. We'll take you too. And don't think
it won't happen because what happened to them could happen
to us. We got to wake up and vote. That's
what we got to do. Jeff, you off the chain,
you had it. I'm with you, diddle diddo, thank you,
seeing them with you too. And it's an oxymorn again.
Why is it he not pointing out the positive number

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in Washington, d C.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
Seemed like he was.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
He would be pulling that like, Wow, look at how
I made the difference.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's not because that's not politically expedient for him. That
makes no difference to him. He he likes to be
the rescuer, the solver, you know. He likes to, you know,
act like something is just terrible and I'm the one,
and I have a perfect record of doing this. I
have a perfect record of doing that. I'm right, I'm right,
I'm right. Uh you know, just just total fascism and

(26:31):
dictatorship type.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
Yep, yeah, you got it. I thought it. On PBS. Yeah,
he played he was doing he was doing Hitler's playbook.
And I think it's very interesting. Remember this, you guys,
when the Prime Minister of Germany came I remember seeing
that on TV and one on the news shows. He
had this real stern look on his face. And remember

(26:55):
President Trump didn't want kids that were born here in
the United States to be citizens. He handed him with
a very stern look on his face, like like I
dare to say something about this. Here's your daddy's birth certificate.
Mm hm, So your daddy wasn't born here, so because

(27:18):
he wasn't born in America, so that makes you the
sameess what you're trying to do to the Mexican I
mean it was I was like I thought, I say, whoa,
we got to.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
Wake up vote people. Indeed, it can't happen.

Speaker 13 (27:36):
They did it to the Japanese in World War two, y'all.
That's why we got to know history.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yep, you gotta know it. All right, Thank you, say,
I appreciate it, brother man.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
How are you here?

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Her training are going today?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Going great? Going great?

Speaker 8 (27:51):
How you doing?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (27:54):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (27:54):
Thing?

Speaker 16 (27:54):
Like?

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Are our people just trying to frustrated and won't vote?
If they don't about this time, they're gonna start building
them slave shots and put them back in the cotton.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
Field again, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
So and and really some of them have you seen
have you seen the blueprints.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
They're the same. I bet you they're the same ones.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
That the Alligator Alcatraz's are. Have you seen them? Yeah,
the Alligator Alcatraz and those tents.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
You got Supreme Court. They're not gonna do nothing. I mean,
he does something. If they don't like you, they as
they go, yes, doing what he want to do.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Would have cut him off a long time ago.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yeah, we need to make sure we don't get too
frustrated and vote and we may not make it to
the midterm because when he goes to meet Pootin, this
is my idea, he's gonna a poutin about how did
you do to get your country in order and take
over like you did? And the onliest way he can

(29:08):
do that in this country is get the military to
go against the people. Yeah, I said, as I already said,
he's gonna put the what do you call those military
guard that's uh against.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
D C, well, the national Guard and uh you know
just DJ taking over the u DC Police Department.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, And I said that while that a lot of
people said, no, you can't do it. They need to
do that about the crime, get the crime and order
with the National Guard, and then relax them after the crime,
get in order and make these people go down there
and file for a gun permit, and it won't be

(29:57):
so many people car gun. A guy would have gone
the other day. I thought it was a shotgun. It's good.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Gracious, they're big, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, well, brother man, I appreciate your call, and you
make a good point. And the irony is there the
crime in DC. I'm not saying that there's not crime.
Thank you, thank you, brother man for your call. We're
not saying that there's no crime in any city in
the United States of America. But when you see uh,
crime trending downward in just about every area, that would be,
as Sam said, something to celebrate, not something to say,

(30:29):
this is awful.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, go figure that anyway.

Speaker 15 (30:33):
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Well, actually it's a microphone.

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I couldn't hear my rich, beautiful, deep brown voice. Thank
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Off as long as you need me to be.

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Speaker 1 (35:46):
Let's get back to the conversation. It's community connection with
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Speaker 2 (36:02):
And we are back with community connection and as promised,
Abdulla is here with us. Abdullah Keems Shabaz the editor
and publisher of the award winning political website Indie politics
dot org, host of Abdula at Large herd on our
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and a whole lot more.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Officially, welcome back. We talked you a little bit, are
exactly a little bit before. It's always good to have
you back.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I tell you you have insight, knowledge and you're just
all over the place.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
You get it all. So we try to pick your
brain a little bit today.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
So do you know this my wife how smart I am?
Because she doesn't buy any.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Of this stuff, Missus Shabazz doesn't believe it does not Well,
we'll talk with her, indeed.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Indeed, So the first thing I wanted to ask you about.
We got so much to talk about, my goodness. But
tonight City County Full Council meeting. You know, one of
the things that they're going to be voting on the
full Council is the proposal for the extended curfew. There's
not supposed to be any I guess disagreement there. Whatever
that's that's expected to pass. But the big news tonight

(37:03):
at the city County Council meeting is that the mayor
is going to unveil his budget for twenty twenty six
one point seven billion dollars.

Speaker 12 (37:11):
Yes, one point seven billion dollars. There's more money for
police fire union contracts. Otherwise some new programming issues, but
otherwise the budget is basically it's basically flat, is what
it is. Because the mayor asked agency the department has
the whole back an average of four percent in their

(37:31):
budgets to hold back because of proper taxes and the
whole nine yards and everything is this is the the
the last budget, so to speak, before things get really
really interesting here in in Indianapolis. What do you mean
because all the proper text re form, you'll see.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Things rule start to take Yeah.

Speaker 12 (37:50):
Yeah, next year, in the following year.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
And so the city's going to have to start looking
for those sources of revenue. And looks like it's probably
not to be income taxes.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
But no income tax raises this particular.

Speaker 12 (38:00):
Know, not no, not this time. Not just go around noo.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
So you wrote, you wrote on your blog forty three
million dollars shortfall that has been made up in some way,
shape or form.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 12 (38:11):
The city of the city is basically facing on forty
three million dollars budget shortfall. No, here's what we want
to spend. Here's what we got in. The difference is
forty three million bucks. And so what the city did
was they held back an average of four percent, and
a lot of those agencies, now DPW got a little
bit more money. The road funding comes from a whole
separate pot altogether. And uh, they raided. They they raiss

(38:33):
for please fire and a couple other folks and union contracts. Otherwise,
everybody else basically had to cut four percent or hold
back four percent.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
A balance budget without tax hikes. See, here's the thing,
he said, flat, So I would assume somewhat balanced and
no tax hikes.

Speaker 12 (38:50):
No, No, it's it's it's they basically they they did
some They did it without tax hikes based by using
creative accounting. Everybody hold back four percent exactly. Now, the
thing is, you can only do that for so long.
Because here's my thing. I am not an anti tax person.
Even though I'm more conservative because I believe the taxes
are the prices you pay for civilization. Now we have

(39:11):
to help a civilization we want to need, but you're
gonna have to pay for it. And it's it's it's
like they're the proper tax debate. Everybody, everybody wants a
little proper taxes, but you don't. But you want the
good schools, and you want the good roads. You want
the police and the fire.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (39:23):
Here's my thing on the governing. It's a lot like
going to heaven. Everybody wants to go, but nobody wants
to die there.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
You go, I love, everybody wants to go, but nobody. Yeah.
People fight tooth and nail to stay here.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, So so that that's so, what do you what
do you anticipate with that?

Speaker 8 (39:41):
Any the mayor?

Speaker 12 (39:43):
The mayor introduced a budget tonight. Then the Democrats will
have their response. Were we lookings have their response? Then
I want to say tomorrow, Uh with it. In the
Administration and Finance Committee, they start having hearings and start
going through the budge left and right now. I did
kind of jokingly say this because I was just in
a move. I was talking to a top official in

(40:04):
the city Hall in twins and four. I was like, so,
where's the sexual harassment fund going to be? You guys
have a fund for sexual harassment.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
He was like, A sorry, that's that doesn't look like
that's going to be a line item.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
He wait, okay, wait till I mean about the briefing
this afternoon. Which time is that about three o'clock? About
three o'clock? Oh wow, oh wow? Okay, Well we're going
to get through this then.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
So, uh, the question a lot of people ask, is
there going to be any flatlining of police fire and
public safety or is there going to be a stadi
in because every year they need more money.

Speaker 12 (40:34):
So they'll get there are increases for raises for police fire.
These were negotiated in the union contracts.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Okay, so that's what that's what that union contracts are saying. Yeah, okay, okay,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
All right, Well we'll hear a little bit more about
that after the meeting tonight.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I want to circle back to last week.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Last Thursday, Vice President Jady Vance was here uh to
talk to the governor, we assume about possibly having Indiana
follow the lead of Texas and redrawing the maps mid
census and the national media. There's some so called sources
that are saying Indiana is eager to jump on board,

(41:16):
as is Florida.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
And there's one more state.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I can't remember what it is, but you're saying no way, Jose,
for the state of Indiana.

Speaker 12 (41:23):
That show right now. Remember when when we say this, folks,
we've got basically two sets of districts. We have the
state districts and the congressional district. Congressional district. You've got
your congressman, you got your state reps and state centers
for the states for the state seats. The answer is no,
a hard no. So they could not do no ho Now,
the congression districts technically they could, but number one it's rare.

(41:48):
Number two is politically toxic. Number three will invite lawsuit
after lawsuit after lawsuit because Number one because they're basically
trying to give it to Frank Mervan in the in
the first in the in the first district, which.

Speaker 8 (42:02):
In northwest Indiana. Yeah, okay, from you.

Speaker 12 (42:04):
Know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
So why do they want to get rid of him?

Speaker 12 (42:08):
Because he's a Democrat? Okay, just Amerrant Okay, Yeah, So
I suppose to actually winning an election, God forbid, you
actually got and work your butt off. So the thing
is by So basically they want lawmakers to re drop
the congression map to get rid of Frank Mrvan. But
the thing he is once to say Frank Mrvan lives
in Merrillville, And to do that, you could move the

(42:30):
district over, but you would still for either a Franklvan
would still be there, or you make the second condistrict,
the second congressional district, which is sort of that South
bend Elkhard that north central Indiana, which is now held
by Guy Nam Roddy Yaka, who was a good friend
of mine. He has a nice, safe Republican district, but
his district becomes a lot more competitive because you're not
really all you do is just moving the is just

(42:53):
it's it's Chinese fire drill. You're just rearranging the chairs.
That's really all all you're doing. You're not really, you know,
create a new districts, so to.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Speak, no clear advantage like there would be in Texas.

Speaker 12 (43:03):
Right, and then then no, I'm not Donald Trouble talking
about me. You show it for all of Indiana. I'm like, what, like,
do it for the seventh Congression distic Okay, let me
get this right now.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
It's Andre Carson.

Speaker 12 (43:13):
Andre Carson. So you guys are gonna basically redraw the
maps to get rid of the one black congressman. Okay,
you do that, and when you lose everything in twenty
twenty six, because people will take that as an affront
and you will have awoken the sleeping giant and they
will come out in droves. And when I talk about no, well,
the people and that's in the cemeteries, but like, no,
don't give me all that crap. No, people gonna be

(43:35):
mad and ticked off, and they're gonna come out and vote,
and you're gonna feel it. And by the way, you're
already seven to two. How much more do you people need?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, every advantage that he could possibly be gin as
far as the congressional a count is considered so that
he's safe and wins in twenty twenty.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
He doesn't want to lose.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
So that's why he's trying to get more.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
Right, Well, you know, I want to be less attractive,
but you know what, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 22 (43:59):
He's the tough.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Oh so you were talking about the toxicity of it all.
And is that what you were when you meant by toxic.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
Yeah, because number one, it would create a whole bunch
of a whole bunch of grief, a whole bunch of hassle. Uh.
And first of all, lawmakers have to come back and
do it in a special session. Be now session that's
going to cost you at least three hundred thousand dollars
and change and bring them back here.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Is there time to have a special session?

Speaker 12 (44:26):
Well, yeah, but the governor can call it. But see
once here's the thing is, once you call a special session,
anything can happen. Because you don't just call a special
session for that one thing. It takes on the life
of its own.

Speaker 8 (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah, So you're just.

Speaker 12 (44:39):
You're asking for trouble and no good can come of
this whatsoever.

Speaker 8 (44:43):
None, none.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
So you don't think that you think that that's just
it was just a courtesy that he met with him.

Speaker 12 (44:47):
Then well, obviously the vice president shows up in the
same party, you're going to meet with him. Now, the
question was why why did why did JD. Van show
up to sell this hair brain redistricting scheme? And by
the way, I'll speak of redistricting, it puts Todd Raketo
and Diaco Morales in a bit of a twirl too,
because Rakety was all for fair maps and rethinking redistricting

(45:08):
years ago, and Diego is always talking about three and
free and fair elections and people to have the right
to vote, and even though Dale can't get his own voting,
so street the days. But that's just me thinking out loud.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of We've got a couple
of callers that have some questions for you.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Mister Russell, go ahead, how are you.

Speaker 12 (45:26):
Hey, j Hey, Duel, Hey, Miss Russell.

Speaker 15 (45:29):
Good, good program. I just wanted to agree with you
in terms of looking at the election uptome coming in
next year. I think that right now, the latest polling
I've seen on the current president, I think he's at
thirty eight percent and he only won by I think

(45:51):
one point two percentage points total, although he's gonna, you know,
exaggerate that of course. So I agree with you. I
think we're talking about people coming out and really it's
a chance that the whole Congress light flip the way
I said, because the stupidity that they're doing is obvious

(46:16):
to the most casual observer, and they're trying everything now
to such as redistricting and whatever. They're gonna try a
lot of other things, but it's not gonna work.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
I don't think.

Speaker 15 (46:28):
I think that people are not dumb and they're gonna
wake up and do the right thing. So just wanted
to coming on that old well.

Speaker 12 (46:40):
Thank you. It's interesting because in year six of any
presidential administration, that's when things really start to shift and change,
whether it was two thousand and six but under w. Bush,
under a stake, nineteen eighty six, under Rod Arago and
Democrats back the Senate. Now this is a little different
because Trump is sort of saying Trump won a Trump

(47:00):
two with sandwich between Joe Biden. But the thing to
keep in mind is it's like a television series. The
first three, the first couple of seasons, okay, so trying
to figu out the character, but then using c three
through six they're.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Good and then established.

Speaker 12 (47:14):
Then season seven they bring on cousin Oliver from The
Brady Bunch, and then that's what you know, We've jumped
the ah the shark. I forgot all about so so
been so A lot of other people say not a lot. Yeah,
So I would argue that probably he next year. People
are just sort of tired of all the Trump stuff
and ready to do something something else.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
You think, yep.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Interesting three one seven FORID zero thirteen ten, three one
seven FORID zero thirteen ten. Talking with Abdul picking his
brain here about a few things that have been taking place.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Politically because he is a political insider.

Speaker 12 (47:47):
Yeah, I'm the establishment. I don't apologize for you.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Oh you're the established, Yes I am, okay, well, the
political establishment, yes, yeah, the capito e okay, okay, unapologetically
and we know that you know that, but also an
insider in a way.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Anyway, Uh, Lisa, go ahead, how are you?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Doing great?

Speaker 8 (48:08):
Doing great?

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Thanks great, both of you.

Speaker 23 (48:10):
Listen. I must be I must have fallen asleep or something,
because isn't this Trump's second term? Does he get a
third and fourth term? I'm confused on that part. And
also as far as the redrawing of map if Texas,
Texas does redraw maps and stuff like that, and they

(48:31):
vote that in California, New York, Illinois said they're going
to redraw their maps stuff too, So I mean they
still don't That's what I'm thinking, But I need your comments,
I'll get off the phone, but thank you for taking
my call.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Well.

Speaker 12 (48:48):
The thing is particularly here in Indiana because Indiana districts
are so heavily Republican. If you were to redraw the
maps and uh, for example, let's say the fourth district
where Jim Barrett, former Vietnam veteran, is a congressman, You're
to cut off part of Indianapolis. You're not really going
to make Indianapolis US republican, less Democrat and less more republican.

(49:12):
You're going to make the fourth district less Republican because
these people have to go somewhere. And so now instead
of a sixty to forty district, you probably got a
fifty one nine district. Wow, Okay, because people people forget
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
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Speaker 3 (49:32):
Joe, go ahead, how are you?

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Good afternoon, Tina, And good afternoon, Joe. I've got a
question that I've been kind of bothered about, and I've
heard nobody really talk about it. Can you tell me
why the President of the United States was on top
of the White House?

Speaker 12 (49:53):
I don't know, probably trying to play Batman or something
I have known.

Speaker 9 (49:57):
Now, can I give you my assessment of for what
he was doing up on the White House. I really
believe that when those came in, they built a back
channel system to communicate with all of these satellites that

(50:17):
must sit up and they were up there showing that
system to Donald Trump. And that system cannot be picked
up by the common person because of the type of
communication whatever it's he is that they use.

Speaker 12 (50:38):
See. But here's the thing, though, White go to the
top of the White House to show because you couldn't
see it from the top of the White House.

Speaker 9 (50:45):
Well, if they set up a system, it didn't have
to be nothing. That's that's huge.

Speaker 12 (50:51):
No, No, I mean, look, look like this show. If
you were to go to the top of the Chase Tower, right,
Salesforce Tower, right literally right across the street from from
the city, you couldn't see the side. You couldn't see
a satellite't.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
But what I'm what I'm saying I'm doing is that
they could set up a back channel that could communicate
with those satellites.

Speaker 12 (51:14):
Okay, yeah, okay, that makes sense. But but you don't
need to go on the roof to do that.

Speaker 9 (51:18):
Well, the thing is is that if you do a
little research, you'll find out that that's where the system
is installed.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Satellite system installed on the roof of the White House.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
No, it's not a satellite system, Tina. If you think
about it, remember when a muss right after, right after
he had the argument with with with Trump, he set
up all of these He's set up what twenty one satellites? Okay,
who are those satellites communicating with? I think that he

(51:53):
went in and those set up connection of every agency
within the government to communicate with that, uh, with those satellites,
and they have all the data that they collected on
us available to them, and and nobody knows about it.

Speaker 12 (52:13):
Well, obviously you do.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Might might sound far fetched, but what else would would
Trump be up on the roof of the White House for?

Speaker 12 (52:23):
I don't know, maybe clear out the gutters. I have
no idea.

Speaker 9 (52:26):
I would hope that. I would hope that that's why
he was up there. I think more to it than that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, there are there are those who believe it as well.
I mean, this is less sinister, but that he was
with some kind of an architect or whatever because he
wants to put a gold dome on top of the
White House. You know, he's already wanting to build the party,
the party event center that he says he'll pay for himself.
He's not going to charge the taxpayer's money.

Speaker 12 (52:53):
Which like the airplane.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, I like the airplane.

Speaker 9 (52:57):
I believe, I really believe he's playing in this game
with us and he's not in charge. It's the people
around him that's running twenty twenty five and a duel.
I really like the statements that you made about the
conservatism and everything else, because I really believe that in

(53:19):
the next election, we're going to see people that never
voted before turn out.

Speaker 12 (53:27):
And that's never good for the party in power.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, and you know what, Joe, thank you, thank you
for that.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And that's interesting because typically when we have midterms, turnout
is historically low. I mean here in Marion County you
barely get to double digits sometimes. So are you thinking
and anticipating that we will see an increase in even
the midterm if.

Speaker 12 (53:52):
Things he be on the way they are, would not
be surprised?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Really? Okay?

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (53:57):
Three?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
One seven for zero thirteen ten? Marvin, go ahead, how
are you?

Speaker 14 (54:01):
I'm doing well after doing it is always good to
hear you on the show.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
I just wanted to say, you know.

Speaker 14 (54:08):
I guess you know, I like politics, I've kind of disconnected.
I'm not disconnected from being involved in on that I
have to get out and vote because that's what will
change things. But you know, it's just things I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
It seems like.

Speaker 14 (54:23):
To me what he did today the people in DC shit,
And maybe maybe not because that may be what he
wants should be out in the streets, you know, and
we know that he's only doing this because of the
f Stein file. I mean, it's just as simple as that.
And I think it's got put can come to Alaska
on Friday and all those kinds of things. And did
you ever aftering I'm gonna get off think that we

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will see it. I guess there's been presidents like this
throughout history, and this is our first one. Some people
comparing Trump and say, well, Trump is just Bill Clinton
and a lot of the people who are now voting
for Trump voting for Bill Clinton back in the nineties.
I don't know, how do we learn from this that people?
So if we don't go down this dark path, we're
going down again. And I really don't understand how he wanted, uh,

(55:09):
you know it just blows my mind. But I just
wondered from you, how do we even as a Republican,
how do you reclaim your party?

Speaker 9 (55:17):
Well, if you just have you know.

Speaker 14 (55:18):
Running the milk conservatives like George Bush and people we
might not always agree with, but we still respect it
as our president.

Speaker 12 (55:26):
Here's what here's here's what I think is going to
change the Here's what I think it's going to fundamentally change.
But the dynamic when well number one people voters have said,
you know, they've had enough or be it starts costing
these people money and hit some of their pocketbooks, which
is why to a certain degree on the internet right

(55:46):
now you have just all this vitrol on this nonsense,
people saying anything and anything they want. Because right now
I'm in the middle of a defamation lossit back to
the middle of several because people call me some things
that like, wow, you really shouldn't do that. Accuse me
of a crime, but I didn't commit. And so now
they're about to pay some serious bucks and hopefully that'll
send a message start changing people's behavior that you cannot

(56:08):
be a total butthole. Pardon my French chick, you forgetting this.
The Gospel station. So you got to use good language.
You can't be a total buttthead and get away with
this stuff, and eventually it comes from people get mad
and upset. Okay, you're mad. Now what are you going
to do?

Speaker 24 (56:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, caller that couldn't stay on the line wanted to
ask you if ask Abduel if he voted for Trump
the first time and is he still a Republican? Yes,
you did not vote for him the first time, but
about the second time, are you.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Still a Republican?

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Old school, old school.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
I'm a Dick Lugar Mitch Daniels type.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Okay, okay, we got that.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
We got to get a real, real quick break in
here because I have a couple more questions I want
to ask you before you have to go to your
three o'clock meeting. I have a caller that has a
question as well, So we will be right back right
after this.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
And we're back with Community Connection. Our guest, Abdul Abdulla
is back with us. Glad to have you back with
the last time that you were here, you hadn't slept
for like a day or two.

Speaker 8 (01:01:58):
I thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I still have it, You still have it, okay, So
we always catch you on the end of those end
of those runs three one, seven, forty zero, thirteen ten.
A collar that could not stay on the line. The
question was why should blacks join the GOP?

Speaker 12 (01:02:12):
This is for you, Well, they shouldn't. Well I can,
How can I say this? I became a Republican, so
to speak, a small or moderate conservative Republican, and in
the mold of Dick Luger, Mitch Daniels, George Herbert Walker
Bush because I believe in less government, more freedom. I
believe in school choice. But however, also in the abortion issue,

(01:02:34):
I'm basically pro choice. I don't know if I do it,
but I don't want to take that decision away from
somebody else. On same sex marriage, I don't care because
once you get married to sex is always the same.
And number three, you know, as far as ed here's
my thing. I look with contententent's doing the privacy of
their own home. I don't care. I just don't want
to pay for us unless I got my credit card

(01:02:56):
in my internet connection. But otherwise, do live your life,
lead people alone. Yeah, that that is my theory. Now now,
now should people join the Republicans, Like, I don't know
what I tell people? Do what's good for you? Vote,
vote your interests. That that's what I tell people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
You're not a maga Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Oh god, okay, give me the give me the three
you outline three categories of Republicans. You're a Republican, but
you're not magan.

Speaker 12 (01:03:18):
Well, no, three types of Donald Trump three times?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I'm sorry three times. Well, yeah, that are in the
Republican party.

Speaker 12 (01:03:23):
Yeah, because I will argue, well that Trump's not all
not all Trump supporters are Republicans and vice versa. You
have the you have the the Maga crowd which follows
Trump brown like a cult. Trump can do no no wrong.
You have this. It's the second group, which is the
people who are because they'll vote for downal Trump because here,
because he's a Republican, they would just vote for Republicans

(01:03:44):
across the board. Then you have the third group, which
is what I call the transactional Republicans. These are the
people who support Donald Trump because Donald Trump is good
for business or he's in charge and running the show.
It's that that simple, just like, why does somebody give
un Joe hawk seid Becausejoe hawk Set's mayor, Joe's running
the show even though he may not necessarily be be

(01:04:05):
a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, uh three one, seven, zero, thirteen ten
A duels here with us and go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Do you have a question, Yes, I'd like.

Speaker 31 (01:04:14):
To know since Trump brand I already had two presidencies,
is any way that he was can't get a third
term with all the stuff that he's doing, you know,
rewrite and get in for thirty ten?

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Well, well then't we get then we could get it
for a third term? Is to rewrite the constitution, which
he might do it. Well, no, he can't know that
that that he can't do that. They're they're they're they're
not a Republican to control state legislatures to allow him
to do that. So that's kind of point number one.
H Point number two is even if he could run again,

(01:04:52):
it's like a television series that's been on a little
bit too long. It's like, no, first couple of seasons
we're interested in developing the characters. Season three to seven
were great, wonderful, and then came season eight when they
brought on cousin Oliver and whenever or Sam from different
strokes because whenever they bring on the kid, that's what
you know, or seven on Married with Children, whenever they

(01:05:13):
bring a little kid on shows almost over.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, yeah, So and does that answer your question?

Speaker 15 (01:05:20):
Yes it does.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Now I'm so glad.

Speaker 31 (01:05:22):
I'm so I think what did he do with Martin
Luther King of Statue?

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
Whatever is?

Speaker 13 (01:05:29):
Is that swaring the White House?

Speaker 31 (01:05:30):
Or he tried to move or I heard the bits
and pieces, and I just wondering.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
That I don't I don't know what the latest is
on that, do you abdul no?

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
Back, I said, Trump trying to take off Bartin Lucy's head,
put his hand on top top of the statue.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I even heard that one. That one, Yeah, you heard
that one. So the thank you and I appreciate your call.
The the huge announcement today about taking over DC declaring
it declaring an emergence state of emergency for the city
of DC, despite what the FBI figures are are showing,

(01:06:05):
uh your your thoughts on that we had a political
win form.

Speaker 12 (01:06:08):
Well, well, the thing is no, not really because number one, uh,
who's gonna do is? Is the army gonna do it?
Is a National Guard going to do it? And are
they gonna do it for short term? It's funny they
have like no, like like the LA riots, you had
a little bit disturbance, you know, because the point of
the guarden militany has come in and restore peace. But
law enforcement, especially trained police are especially trained, you know,
to deal with the day to day law enforcement stuff

(01:06:29):
that a g I or a US soldier is done.
It's a different type of training, plain and simple. It's like, ah,
it's like, hey, I played baseball, but I'm gonna go work.
I'm going to play on the football team for a while.
They're both sports, yes, but they've got totally different missions
and totally different, uh different ways that they connect their business.
So I don't know why you're gonna I know why
he wants to do it, because it once again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
It's distraction. Do you think it's just distraction.

Speaker 12 (01:06:52):
It's part distraction, it's part Donald Trump. It's it's it's
part like, hey, don't look at the Epsteine stuff over here. Now,
let's let's talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
And speaking of the Epstein stuff, could that potentially become
his waterloop?

Speaker 8 (01:07:05):
Yep in what way?

Speaker 12 (01:07:07):
Well, look look at the narrative you have. You know,
Epstein and sex trafficking and underage girls. There's no way
in the universe that anybody comes out good on this one.
There's no way, no no one, no one looks good
in this whole thing that's involved in that whole like

(01:07:28):
in that whole universe. So, if you're Donald Trump, there's
a picture of you with Epstein? What else are there
pictures of you with up?

Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
Do you sense the cover up?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Because of all of the the pushback, the inability to
be transparent, even though he had promised transparency, even though
he had stoked the conspiracy that there was something there,
and now all of a sudden, okay, nothing to see here, folks,
Do you sense a cover up?

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:07:50):
I don't know if I use the term sense. I
probably like smell a cover up, like really really bad
a cover up. Oh really yeah, like a dead body
in the corner, cover up over there.

Speaker 26 (01:07:57):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:07:58):
Because my thing is if you did do anything. Most
of nine to ten times people say I didn't do anything.
Here's here's to give it, give it up right away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And that's not in his nature though, come on, he's
I don't know that he's ever copped to anything, you know, Okay,
that was me, My bad. That's I've never heard that.
Maybe you have, but I've never I've never heard anything
like that.

Speaker 12 (01:08:19):
I will say this, nothing stays secret forever because there
are people like me whose job it is to find
out stuff that other people don't want anyone to know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
So the State House, what do you what are your
thoughts about coming up on the next session?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Looking ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
What do you think it's going to be a shorter one?

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
What can you what can we expect? I guess I.

Speaker 12 (01:08:43):
Was more more. I would look for more things to happen.
The property tax reform universe, because it's a two three
year process, so I see that coming. I think we're
really going to start to see next year. The impact
of the current Proptact reform on local governments, and how
can I say this? I think people are going to

(01:09:04):
be somewhat surprised at what they're not going to be
able to get because we wich we switched from a
property tax system to an income tax system, and the
question is going to be can you raise enough money
and income tax revenue to take care of property.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Taxes medicaid cuts?

Speaker 12 (01:09:21):
You See, here's the here's see here's the thing about medicaid.
When you when you try to get your budget into control,
you've got to go for your biggest items, and your
biggest items are education Medicaid. There's no way you can
get through there without without tackling it. The question is
how do you do it in a responsible way and
in a way, in a way that doesn't do more
harm than good. But we cannot keep operating the way

(01:09:42):
we're doing it right now. We just can't. And you
got to go out and if you're two biggest things
or education medicaid, if you if you don't tackle those,
you're playing around the edges.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Not that this is directly a result of medicaid, but
I was saying last week when I reported it I
hope it's not a sign of things to come, but
funding is drying up a lot for a lot of
these organizations, some of them that quote unquote DEI what
have you? But the favorite card Glick Neighborhood Center at
seventy first in Michigan Road closed they say temporarily but

(01:10:12):
did not issue a date for reopening because of financial
hardships and a lot of these neighborhood community centers and
things that I think there's more than a dozen here.
They serve a lot of needs and a lot of
their funding, some of their funding is drying up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Could that be a sign of things to come?

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
You say, people are gonna have to, you know, really
start to get used to things that they're used to
having and not having.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
If I just said that, right, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:10:39):
Because take my friends up through the public public television.
Loved to death, none of those guys for years, but
when the funding went away, then the bunch of stuff are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Going for public broadcasting, which funds all of you.

Speaker 12 (01:10:50):
Right yeah, I think was like, okay, guys, hopefully you've
got a backup plan, you know, just in cays like
if we lose this funding, what happens? Did anybody ever
have those.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
The point of losing the funding though there's no real
reason to defund them.

Speaker 12 (01:11:06):
No, no, but you never know. Anything can happen. And
then and operating from a worst case scenario, if we
lost our government funding, what will we do? And that,
to me, that's a that to me, that's where my
friends in public broadcasts maybe maybe fell maybe fell asleep
with a whill a little bit, because you're so used
to this money coming in all the time. I think
it's going to be here forever, Like, well, nothing's forever.

(01:11:27):
So what what's your backup plan? Just in case? Same
thing a lot of these neighborhood groups and organizations you
what's your plan? What if we lose our state fund
or city funding? What do we do now? Do we
raise our raids? Do we go do we do like
a charity? Do we do we maybe do some consolidation.
And by the way, that's what I think we asked

(01:11:48):
about the legislature next year. That to me is going
to be the next big thing. It's going to be
consolidation of a lot of these local governments. Uh, maybe
some of these township governments, maybe some township trustees, township boards.
It's only small rural school districts, because once again, government
costs money and it's got to be paid for, plain

(01:12:09):
and simple.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
States the states, it was not college, the discretionary fund surplus,
the state surplus fund. Could that be impacted by fewer
property tax you know what's going to happen.

Speaker 12 (01:12:23):
Well, well, the surplus. Well state, First of all, the
state doesn't collect property taxes per se. State projects are
purely purely.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Local, purely local.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
But okay, the states surplus fund with some of the
other uh uh, let's see d e all DEI initiatives
have been you know, the governor says, that's right, You're right,
state doesn't.

Speaker 12 (01:12:43):
Except those that are mandated by statue.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, and the state doesn't the local property taxes. But
the surplus and the cuts that the state that that
braun and the lawmakers.

Speaker 12 (01:12:56):
It's funny, it's funny you should ask this question because
I asked this question a couple of weeks ago when
they did at the end of the year no budget forecast,
because the state's got about a two something billion dollar
budget plus, which about forty days worth of operating revenue
in the right forty days, about forty days in the
grand scheme of things. And so my thing was I
asked Nishala and the governor like, Hey, on the one hand,

(01:13:18):
we're bragging about to know the surplus we have, which
is actually kind of good because you needed for the
rainy day fund. But the question is it looks like
the surplus is coming too expensive all these other other programs,
and so that's that's where you're going to have some
explaining to do. So but no, but the surtplus will
probably stay as as is. If this was a if

(01:13:39):
the states sipping in the surplus, then things have really
just say, gone off the rails.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
One final thing and before you go, I haven't had
a chance to get to this, but are you you're
familiar with the fact that the DOJ is looking for
voted data voter data from nineteen states, requested voter registration
lists from at least fifteen states, including both Democratic and
Republican states, is part of an effort to crack down
on voter fraud and non citizen voting, which doesn't which

(01:14:06):
doesn't exist, doesn't exist. Yeah, so how do how does
that reconciled?

Speaker 16 (01:14:10):
Them?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
The DJ contacting state officials to propose information sharing agreements,
and I can give you I think.

Speaker 12 (01:14:17):
I think if you're if you're a schmuck like Diego Morales,
you'll do it, you know, in five seconds. If you're oh,
what's his face? By Homestead of Illinois, Alex, I can't
remember his last name, Greek class name. You would tell
the federal government to go pound.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Sand the governor of Illinois, Well, no, not Jamie Prince,
but the secretary of state, Secretary of State. Okay, it
says Alaska, Arizona, California, Illinois is on there, Florida, Maine, Maryland,
Indiana's not on the list, not yet, New York, New Hampshire, Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
What is the point of that voter data, voter.

Speaker 12 (01:14:51):
It's looking for something that's not there. First of all,
voter fraud is a lot more rare than people think,
and and a lot of the voter of fraud is
usually mat it uh in Indiana by Republicans. Really, there's
people registered places are not supposed to. People voting places
not supposed to. Absolutely battle not supposed to. If you look,
if you look at the last few cases of real
voter fraud, it was mostly Republican and some Democrats. Let's

(01:15:14):
just get that out the way. Number two, Like I said,
it's it's a story, that's it's it's I'm trying to
find the right phraseolity to use. Basically, it's looking for
a problem that doesn't really exist. Now. Now the thing
is in the nation of three hundred million people to
a million voters I mean some Yeah, because because no

(01:15:36):
system is perfect. But to go find a systemic, you know,
vote fraud where the dead people are voting that that
that that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Happen, people are voting two three and four times and
not getting not getting caught, things of that nature. Those
are all And.

Speaker 12 (01:15:51):
Also by the way, to vote two three times, you
got to go to different vote centers. Yeah, yeah, have
too through different ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
So why why is this narrative staying you know, staying alive.

Speaker 12 (01:16:00):
I don't understand, because it is easier to believe this
fraud than actually the truth that there is none.

Speaker 8 (01:16:05):
Yeah, well there you go with that.

Speaker 12 (01:16:08):
Sometimes the simplest explanation is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Just look at well, does that keep voters engaged? You think?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Does that keep I mean when you're talking about the
party in power, because honestly, it's the Trump administration that
keeps making these accusations.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
He started it years ago when he first.

Speaker 12 (01:16:24):
Lost by the ways fraud, Why did you win?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:16:29):
Yeah, how did you win if there's all this vota fraud?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, well, because it's only voter fraud if he loses.

Speaker 8 (01:16:35):
Right, Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 12 (01:16:38):
Oh you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I'm so proud of you, Thank you, thank you. I
I've been working on it, okay, been working on it
quite a bit.

Speaker 13 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
It's just interesting to see. And Indiana is an interesting place.
And boy, I can't gauge anything because I'm sitting here.
This is the silo of community connection. I can't really
gauge statewide. I mean, I can look at numbers and
things of that nature, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
So, do you think that voter participation is going to
be a lot more robust in the coming days.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Yes see.

Speaker 12 (01:17:07):
But here's my thing about voter participation, and this is
going to probably sound like evil to everybody. I do
not believe that more participation equals better results. I believe
more educated participation get you better because a bunch of
people coming together do a bad thing doesn't make the
bad thing good. It just means a bunch of people
come together did a bad thing. So I'd much rather

(01:17:31):
people be informed about who they're voting form, and I
think that's where where programs like yours and mine command
we get people information so you go make more informed decisions,
because I'd rather have three informed voters show up than
one hundred non uninformed voter show up.

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
What do you think the average voter IQ is of
the average usure?

Speaker 12 (01:17:48):
What do you think depends what part of the state
they're from?

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:17:53):
An example, I.

Speaker 12 (01:17:56):
Want to say, there was a there's a Facebook reel
that talk about the the the cities Indiana with the
lowest lowest average IQs. Oh my, it was like it
was like Richmond. Uh, I want to say, up in
Delaware County, uh, Marion, Gary, and like one other places

(01:18:17):
up near like Fort Wayne. I think it's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Okay, Okay, well I didn't hear that information.

Speaker 12 (01:18:25):
I said, the smartest people in the city the state
It right here on the circles.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Really yeah, okay, we'll take that, Thank you, Sony. Anything
else before you go, you want to add and educate
our listeners about.

Speaker 12 (01:18:37):
Just things are about to get really weird over the
state House these days with AI porn generated images, and
there's more than just one and the Americ County prosecutors
looking at things, the federal government is looking at things,
and would not be surprised a something the end of
the dayend of going to jail over all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Oh my yeah, we'll have to keep an eye on
that bill. Thank you, hey, my pleasure man, thank you,
thank you. We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
We'll be back with more. We still got to tickets
to give away to.

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Those reserve seats at the Indiana State Fair Gospel Music
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And we're back with Community Connection, heading into our final
stretch of the show on this Monday, August the eleventh
of related. Happy birthday to d C getting up there anyway,
Happy birthday, belated, happy birthday. As I was saying, have
you have you been out to the fair yet, Cameron,

(01:28:15):
have you been out to the fair? No?

Speaker 8 (01:28:17):
Yeah, work, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Like I said, I took a stroll by it just
kind of a little bit of a reconnaissance mission to
see what was there and what wasn't and you know,
still a whole lot there, but I promise you it
really did seem like there weren't as many And I
don't know, maybe somebody that's into cows can tell me,
but it just didn't seem like there were as many
cows that were there that had competed or were competing

(01:28:42):
in different areas. That's huge for a lot of people
that farm. You have the dairy cows, you have the
other kind of cows. And those animals are beautiful. They
are absolutely beautiful, and they are constantly groomed, and like
I said, they're owners.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
They are right there next to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
They have a tent, beds, crock pots and electric skillets
and all kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I mean, they literally live there with their animals.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
And those who aren't in the barn with their animals,
they have RVs out on the lot that they stay with.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Then they stay the entire entire time of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
But like I was saying, some of the things, some
of the pricing is just you know, like everything else
going up a little bit. But you know, the way
I look at it, the State Fair comes once a
year and you prepare for that. So you know, you
can't really say, oh, I didn't I didn't go to
the fair because it's twist men. You know, everything by
and large is still pretty reasonable. I didn't get the uh,

(01:29:45):
I didn't. I just couldn't do the fried oreole and
the all of the other stuff that I I just
did a corn dog and a lemon shakeup, which is
one of my favorites. The lemonade, the homemade lemonade.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Is really good, but it was just again, it was
just good. I didn't spend a whole lot of time
there because I had some other stuff to do. But
it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
And my point was to go to areas that I
normally don't know which is the livestock with the pigs
and the cows and the other things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
So have you you ever go and see the pigs
or the cows. Yeah, they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I mean, it's such a it's such a term beautiful,
but they're they're they're they're phenomenal animals that they bring.
And it's kind of like people with a prize, you know, uh,
an antique car or something that they they take it
around all these shows and compete. I think that they
raise some of their livestock, uh, just to compete, you

(01:30:42):
know at state fairs and wherever else animals compete.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
But it's pretty cool, pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
And the the tractors going around it was just really
you know, you know, it's very very nice. And of
course there's always something going on at the live stage.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
They're free. Who's a lot of refree stage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
And this Sunday gospel great Marvin Sap is going to
be the headliner at the Gospel Music Festival on the
Who's Your a lot of refree stage Sunday, August seventeenth.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Marvin Sap and some others are going.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
To be there and we have reserved seating, reserved seating
tickets for you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
So what I will do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Is take the third caller, caller number three to the
number three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten, three
one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. If you are
the third caller to three one seven four eight zero
thirteen ten, then you will win a pair of reserved tickets.
They are very very nice reserve tickets to the to

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the show on a Gospel music Day, Gospel Day at
the Fair Gospel Music Festival featuring Marvin Sap. Good luck,
good luck three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten.
You gotta be quick because it's a caller number three
three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten.

Speaker 11 (01:32:05):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
So, yeah, and affair is always cool. It's it's it's nice.
It's just just a nice thing to do, a nice
diversion to go to. So and why not get some
free tickets for the last day that we will make
available to you if you are the third color. So
we wish you luck. Quick recap as to where we

(01:32:26):
have been today on the show. Wanted to share with
you that earlier this morning or late late morning, not
early morning, but late morning, the Trump administration decided they
were going to take over the city of Washington, DC
because it was a hot mess.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
And I'm summarizing there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
But despite what the figures show, despite with the fact show,
despite what the numbers from their very own FBI show,
the picture that was painted of Washington, d C. Just
being a horrible, horrible place and only Donald Trump can
ride in on the white horse and save it, which

(01:33:07):
is what he's getting ready to do. That begged the
question is what I said, could that happen here? And
we've come close to something like that. I mean, there
have been threats from the governor about controlling crime in
the city of Indianapolis. So this is going to be
a thing, and we got to watch out for that,

(01:33:29):
because the more you educate yourself about these kinds of things,
the more you understand how bogus and how much of
a grandstanding move doing something like that is. When you know,
as we always say, it's a solution in search of
a problem. Yes, there's crime in DC. Yes, there's crime
in Indianapolis. There's crime in every city, but does it

(01:33:52):
rise to the level of federal intervention, National Guard troops,
the Department of Justice taking over the least apartment. It's
just okay, it's just so heavy handed. So we we
talked about that a little bit. I'm gonna pin that
right there. Let's see we have a winner already for

(01:34:14):
the gospel music tickets Gospel Music Day at the Fair.
Let's see allin. Marie Howard is the winner. Marie are
you there? If anybody else is, well, congratulations you won.

Speaker 27 (01:34:26):
You win.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
You are a winner.

Speaker 8 (01:34:30):
Indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Indeed, so do you usually go to Gospel Day out
of the fair?

Speaker 27 (01:34:34):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:34:35):
You do?

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:34:36):
I love it?

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Yeah. So did you go last year?

Speaker 13 (01:34:42):
I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (01:34:43):
I think I was out of town.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Okay, okay, okay, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
It's a wonderful time. It's an absolutely wonderful time. Who's
your lottery free stage and your tickets? Now you don't
have to worry about where you're gonna sit because you
are going to be in the reserve section.

Speaker 8 (01:34:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:35:01):
So who are you going to take with you?

Speaker 23 (01:35:04):
Probably my daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Oh okay, okay, she doesn't know yet, does she If
she's available. If she's available, there you go, there you go. Well, bischa,
have you been out to the fair at all this
year so far?

Speaker 13 (01:35:15):
Yes, we went, Me and my swimming and green kids
went yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Oh what'd you think? I was out there yesterday for
a little while.

Speaker 19 (01:35:22):
What'd you think?

Speaker 13 (01:35:24):
It was nice?

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
I think we had a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Yeah, it was a little warm. Did you go early
or late or mid afternoon? How what time did you go?

Speaker 9 (01:35:34):
We went mid afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Okay, so things will probably start to cool down a little.
It's so well attended, very well attended, which is good.
This is really good.

Speaker 13 (01:35:42):
We had a nice crowd.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I was just commenting that I thought some of the
prices were a little higher than normal, But then again,
it's the fair, So you go and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
You only do it once a year. You only do
it once a year.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Well, congratulations, and we really appreciate your listening and.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
We appreciate your calling. Thank you again. That was Marie Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
She was the winner of today's set of reserved seats
for the Gospel Music Festival at the Indiana State Fair
coming up this Sunday. This Sunday at the Hoo's your
Lottery Free stage. I believe it all starts at three pm.
There'll be more chances to win the rest of this week,
so don't be discouraged. Do not get discouraged. We have

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tickets to give away the rest of the week. So
we really appreciate you calling in and again. If you
did not make it in this time, just give us
a call again and we'll see if maybe you might
be the calling.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
We pick a different number. I don't think I've ever
picked three. We had four, six, seven, whatever, So however
many lines there are, we pick that up. So what
I was saying was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
That move this morning was really kind of disturbing because
the numbers just don't add up. But when you look
at what the Trump administration does have a tendency to do, uh,
then it makes sense. So I don't know if there's
room for any kind of litigation, but there we go.

(01:37:10):
So uh three one seven, four eight zero thirteen ten.
Three one seven, four eight zero thirteen ten. We have
a caller online. One go ahead, how are you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Hello?

Speaker 8 (01:37:21):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Yes, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:37:23):
Yeah? So I was.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Calling I kind a daughter that's been incarcerated. She got
a mental problem. She's grown and uh, the court has
her kind of uh just in them board. They say
they're waiting on her to get a psych exam every

(01:37:46):
since the last part of me. And uh, she talked
to me today and they did operated on hers. She
kind him mental thing going on, but she she caught
a master's degree. But I hired a lawyer and I

(01:38:08):
don't want to call out no name, but uh, I
asked him to go here, and he claimed, but that's
going to take a lot. I thought client privilege, a
lawyer could go see his client whenever he needed to.
But he's like, he's got to make all appointment and

(01:38:29):
uh like he really don't want to. And she sounded
like and she don't want to talk on their poems.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
But where when is she?

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Where is she?

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Where's she being housed right now?

Speaker 15 (01:38:44):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Here just so called justice thing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Oh she's at the jail. Then she's not in a
psych facility.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
No, no, they they they arrested her. She was over
at Wisher to get some mental help and the guards
got into it later, so they claim miss while outside
of the story, but because I haven't been able to
talk to my daughter or nothing, since it's happy and uh,

(01:39:16):
the lawyer is seems like he's still part of their program.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Or how long ago did you hire your attorney.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
That's been nowhere four or five weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
And he or she has yet to meet with your daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Well, she hadn't talked talked to me, yes, okay, and
for what I paid him for, she hadn't sewing because
of the sight thing going on. But I would think
he would want to hear from the claim.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Hm hmm, yeah, I'm not right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
I'm not sure here it is not passing the smell
test and uh, I need some legal help here. And
and I don't want to go with what I got.
I've already paid for it. I got no problem with that.
It's my daughter. I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Well have you have you talked to them about how
how long they're taking or whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I mean, you did pay them?

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Well yeah, but he blows it off like, well that's
the way they do things. And I'm like, when can
a lawyer can't go see his.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Climate is on a psychiatric hold there?

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
I mean, yes, yes, yes see and the side thing,
but he's stilled her. It's just not making and she'd
been sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
There this whole time, and uh, boy, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
I want to hear what she had to say if
I was to attorneys.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Had a chance to She's not had a chance to
tell her side of the story.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
Well, she's been in court, but but just for that
brief session there. But that's the only time he's dealt
with her. But I ain't understanding how come he don't
want to hear from her personally?

Speaker 8 (01:41:24):
Who's doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
You don't do you know who's doing the evaluation and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
What dated's scheduled?

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Nope, nope.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
And he can't tell you that he should be able
to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
He told me that he should.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Be able to He should be telling you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
That, right, And I ain't heard nothing. And and it
just and she said, well, I don't want to tell
you publicly what she said it because I don't want
that out there. She don't want it out there either.
And this is one in the States they do cover
up very well. Just to put it point blank, they

(01:42:02):
run the state any way. They want to.

Speaker 26 (01:42:08):
Know what.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
I'm not familiar with them. But there there is free
legal advice.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
I hate that you have.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
That's them to the.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Free legal legal clinics. Let me see who this.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's going right back to the lawn.
Just causing doing the cover up because they're all pretty
they're pretty well connected. I'm seventy's I've been around here
a while, okay, and I've had I've had to run
into this before and uh, I've seen them cover the

(01:42:49):
truth more than once, going blank to my face and
uh mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Yeah, well what about there. I have a number here
for the end of legal services. This is free. Uh
and they can.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Yeah, I can find that. I'm gonna have to find
me a good pay That's what I'm looking for, somebody
that I can trust to go do the work. Well,
there's all going in there to see my daughter, even
though she's under this site. She she shouldn't be denied
her attorney.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Yeah, well wait a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
You said she no attorney, No two or three days
to get her appointment to see a client. That's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
So you're saying the attorney is not trying to see
her her I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
What he's trying.

Speaker 8 (01:43:38):
I don't know whether I'm not illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
But when I asked him, that's what he gave me,
that he gone it takes them how they do think?
How do you do what you do to see your client?
That's what I ain't kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Yeah, well, do you want to eat? I can give
you these now, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
I it's it sounds like it's kind of a complicated,
involved case. And part of what I would think makes
your case a little bit more involved is that she
is being held for a psychic evaluation. Now I don't
know how long those Yeah, I don't know how long
those take when they're done. Whose schedules are what? I'm
just simply not I'm just not aware of that. But

(01:44:19):
there are some attorneys who can who can consult with
you and.

Speaker 18 (01:44:23):
Let you know.

Speaker 8 (01:44:25):
Okay, I know how to work this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Well, I'm going to give you the number of a
couple of places.

Speaker 8 (01:44:31):
Okay, I'd appreciate it. I appreciate Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
This is Indiana Legal Services.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Okay, already know how to get that one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Okay, how about a neighborhood Christian Legal Clinic?

Speaker 8 (01:44:48):
Yeah, heard, Do you want their number?

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:44:54):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Their number is three one seven four to nine four
one three one.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Four one three one uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
And then there's also the Indianapolis Legal Aid Society, the
Indianapolis Legal Aid Society, and that number is three one
seven six three five nine five three eight. And if

(01:45:32):
you need me to repeat any of those, let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
No, no, no, I got I got them. Both of
these are pretty easy to find.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yeah, Indianapolis Legal Aid Society three one seven six three
five nine five three eight and the Neighborhood Christian Legal
Clinic three one seven four two nine four one three one.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Well, is it possible that I could give you my
number in case somebody calls there and want to try
to give me some website?

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah, you can leave it with with our tech Cameron.
He can take it just before you get ready to
hang up. You can just give it to him and
then he'll he'll give it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Okay, Okay, Because I I don't know your case, doesn't
it sounds a little bit more complicated than what I
don't really know. And I think some of the experts
could probably tell you best, because I don't know how
the state handles psychiatric holds and and things of that nature.
So I take it she's not eligible for bond because

(01:46:40):
of a psychiatric hold.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
They got her own hold, They got her own a hold.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
But they had her.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
On the hold the whole time and then did operation
on her and.

Speaker 7 (01:46:53):
Help he didn't want.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Kind of oh my goodness, the surgery.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
On her right right, I ain't trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Yeah, she was, and this crew up about.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
A week ago. She just they just now gave her
her information where she could call me.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Is she is she at the jail now or is
she still in the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
She's such at jail now. They they locked her up
from the hospital and I guess they got rough with
her or something.

Speaker 8 (01:47:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
I wasn't there, but uh, they've been keeping her on
a shutdown with is hold and mental crap. And I
know my daughter, yeah, yeah, I know my daughter. She
she got her mass fish. But she just young like

(01:47:53):
anybody else, which forty ain't young. But at that age
you only could know what you know. But I know
I've seen enough where their cover up and they work
in this one to the t Okay and everybody's giving

(01:48:13):
me use the places the years ago where it's their places.
It's like going to the one just calls in the
problem and complaint.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
M yeah, yeah, okay, Well well just stay yeah, stay
on the line and I'll hold on to your number,
and you know, we'll go from there. Hopefully you can
call one, if not both, of those numbers as free
legal advice, and they would probably be definitely be a
whole lot more knowledgeable about this situation than I.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
I just want honest.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Mm hmmm, well we all do.

Speaker 8 (01:48:56):
Yeah, I'll try, I'll try it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Yeah, find you something they deal with?

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
Okay, yeah, okay, all right, sir. I'm sorry for your problems,
but hopefully we get it resolved. You can get it
resolved and your daughter can. Is she Is she eligible
to come home after her evaluation? Hello?

Speaker 8 (01:49:22):
Hello? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Is your daughter eligible to come home after her evaluation?
Is that what's holding up her potential release?

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
I have no idea because they saying nothing, okay about
their medic or anything. They've been too harsh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Okay, yeah, all right, I can't imagine. But all right, well,
thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Just down the line and give your number to Cameron
and he'll take care of it for you, all right,
thank you? Uh yeah, so there's that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
And then as I was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Wrapping up what we talked about today, we had to
be Abdul Haquem Shabbazu.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
He spent about an hour with us and we just
talked about a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
The one thing that he was relatively sure of was
that redistricting could not take place in the state of
Indiana due to the state's constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
It would be very, very difficult to do. Even though
Governor Brown seemingly expressed, you know, didn't say one way
or another, yeay or nay.

Speaker 5 (01:50:23):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
And then Abdulla, you know, brought us up to date
on some other things. He said that he is still
a Republican but did not vote for Trump the first
or second time, that he is a Republican along the
lines of a Richard Luger Dick Luger slash slash Mitch
Daniels type of Republican as opposed to a MAGA.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
So yeah, Abdulla does. He does a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
He has a radio show right here on our sister
station Saturdays from one to three. Also has a blog
in indiepolitics dot org where he talks about a lot
of things.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
I said he's an insider. He said, no, he's a establishment.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I'm like, okay, okay, establishment with some insight info because
he drops a lot of that on us periodically through
his different media vehicles. So I want to thank thank
Abdul for sitting in with us on that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
That is all of the time we have for right now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
I'm going to close it out, but hey, stay tuned
tomorrow and the rest of this week for your chance
to win tickets to the Gospel Music Festival at the
Indiana State Fair coming up this Sunday featuring Marvin sapptis are.
These are not just regular tickets, These are reserved tickets,
reserved seating so kind of special. We want to make
it special. That's why we're giving them away. Anyway, that's

(01:51:42):
all the time we have for right now. Thank you
for joining us. Our website is Praisindi dot com. Willimore
Junior on the radios up next. Please continue to be
safety well and stay informed. For everyone here, I'm Tina
Cosby in this is community Connection

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