Community Connection August 26th, 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
WTOCAM W two three six c are Indianapolis, discussing the
issues that matter to you and keeping you informed with
what's happening in and around Indy. It's Community Connection with
Tina Cosby, brought to you by Child Advocates, a champion
for justice, opportunity and well being for children on Praise

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Speaker 2 (00:25):
And good afternoon, and welcome to Community Connection. I'm Tina Cosby.
Today is Tuesday, August the twenty sixth three one seven
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ten is the number two Community Connection. Lines are open

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right now, uh, for the first hour at least, to
talk about whatever. Lines are always open to talk about
whatever we're talking about, but for now, you know, whatever
might be on your mind for the first hour on
the show today, psychologist doctor Denise Hayes is back with us,
and she'll be talking maternal health and more, maternal health

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and more. And you know, while it sounds like it's
a singular topic, it impacts and affects so many people,
and so we're going to get into that. Take a
little bit of a deeper dive there for all of
us to learn more. That's coming up again in our
second hour. Lines are going to be open for the
first hour for whatever may be on your mind. Three

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one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. Three one seven,
four eight zero thirteen ten. Cameron, how are you doing today?
First and foremost, You're doing okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm doing good. Thanks Fat. You sound a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I feel a lot better.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah. I knew it.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It works every time.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It really does. It's amazing because, you know, so much
was just caught up, and then this morning it was
like it was all cleared out. I had like a
half one. I gave the rest of it to my
daughter because I don't know, I just I just did
she but she I didn't go to work today. She's
still pretty sick. So I put honey, a little water

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fresh and squeeze lemon juice. And sometimes that's all you need.
But then, as my mother used to say, to cut it,
you use some kind of whiskey. Some people use, some
people use rye, some people use you know, I've heard
people use a whole lot of things. But I just bought,
you know, a medium ranger because they want to get

(02:35):
a headache, whiskey and just and you don't you boil.
I boil the water and the lemon and the honey.
I get that at a boil because if you cook
the if you put the alcohol in there with it,
it'll cook out the alcohol, which I think gives you
to feats the purpose. So you just you know, just
put you know, start adding a little bit at a time,

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and then can you believe they used to give up
a teaspoon of some kind of whiskey to babies for
colic back in the day. They put it in their milk.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
It sounds crazy, but because of that era and things
that they did then.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
They were home home home remedies. Yeah, and this this
toddy thing, I think that's one of the same home remedies.
You just put a little bit of alcohol and you
can have it without. But that alcohol seems to do
something I don't know what it did. For college, The
key is the key. Yeah, yeah, you go to you'd
be in handcuffs and on your way to CPS if
you if a parent did that now but one all right, yeah,

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make sure you ly. But I remember watching my grandmother
do it. I mean, the wouldn't put a whole lot,
just a whisp, just a little bit. You should get
up there in her cabinet with all of her other stuff,
seasonings and things, and uh, it would. I don't know
if it. I don't know what a tea spoon or
half a teaspoon and a bottle of milk does for colic.
But if anybody knows, let me know.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
But people stop doing that, though they did stop doing that,
or if they had, they were teething and their gums
were bothering them, they would dip their finger in some
kind of bourbon as well. Now that you could do
very very little, because it would take the baby's breath away.
But I saw I used to watch old people do

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a whole lot of crazy stuff. Now, to think about it,
I was one of those curious kids, and I would
just sit around, turn my head and look. But I
remember seeing my aunt Lee doing that. She'd take a
little you know, when she kept you know, she'd take
a little bit and just rub it, not much, just
a little bit. And I don't know what it did,
but they say it worked. They say it worked.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
They knew something that we had to find out scientifically.
We got medicines for a.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
We got medicines for all that and prescriptions and costs,
and there's a price, but I think it's a whole
lot safer. But those folks didn't go overboard. They knew
how to use it. They knew how to do just enough.
And I know, you know, I have relatives that never
took a drink in their life, but they would add
you know, they would do some of those remedies, including

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the toy, but the tiny worked.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And today, yeah, I feel a little bit better today.
I feel a whole lot better today, but.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Definitely turned the corner too. It's better today than it
was yesterday in.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
My opinion, is it You think it's warmer?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
No, No, I mean better as far as not as warmer,
but some being out cutting out whatever you know was
going on yesterday.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
It was kind of.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, yeah, it kind of was so all as well,
all as well. I want to follow. Oh well before
I do that, fever are back, you know, one of
our favorite topics of conversation, fever about and I think
that they just the tank is low. I just don't
think they have any more to get well, they're done
for the seasons over yeah, probably, Yeah, I don't see

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how they would have anything more to give Mike Goodness, yep,
wrap it up. It's it's a wrap. And even if
they get there, I mean they they're they're barely hanging
in there. So if they lose again tonight at home, uh,
it could get it could get sketchy. But good for them.
I you know, I admire their fighting spirit though, because
they have never just all out given up. But you know,

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when you're it's like a tire, you know, like a
car trying to get get to the gas station and
you only got one tire left, you know, Uh, you're you're, you're, you're, you're,
you're rolling on rims and one tire. But that's that's
the way it.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Feels, you know, with our potholes situation, that analogy, it
just hits different. The pun the puns that you can get.
You just said, you have one tire left. We're in
the city of Indianapolis with the holes that we have
and they're they're trying to get to a gas.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
For them, pray for me, because they got to get
they got to get there. They have to finish, they
have to get to the gas station. But pray for them.
But I I I I will give them a round
of applause at the end of the season. No matter
what happens, whether they don't make the playoffs, do make
it and get bounced earlier, what have you. I'm gonna
give them a round of applause because they they're doing
their thing. And at this point, a lot of the

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prognosticators are saying, well, it looks like Kaylin maybe there's
no point in bringing her back none whatsoever, No, no,
for what what what? What difference is she gonna make.
She is not gonna take them to the Promised Land,
not with not with that cast and crew they have.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
And with her injury being what it is, she has
not been able to elevate her game this season. So
you're gonna get more of the same and then a
lesser version because she's coming back off injury.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, no, no point, no point.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
But I wonder, I wonder, I wonder, I wonder if
she is going to dedicate more of her summer and
slash time off her her off season. I wonder how
much more that she's going to dedicate to building up
her body so that it can sustain And I just wonder,
I wonder to be.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Great, But you know, I've been told I'm sure you've
heard this too, Tina, you know, you know, if you'll
clear me up on this, when we get to about
her high school years and for those of us to
go to college anything, you know, secondary education, they usually say,
whatever habits you have at that point, that's usually who
you are by the time you.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Reach those those pivotal years.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
And what I mean by that, especially with athletes, you
rarely ever see them turn a corner and elevate their
game on that level unless they have the mentality to
want to be great. Some people that have been give
if they've had their way all the way through and through,
like like you know, in Kitlyn's case, I feel like
she's had her way.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
We talked about, you know first the coach from the
coaching side of.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Things, Yeah, probably, you know, not a whole lot of
criticism or you know, need they I guess they didn't
feel the need to motivate to ask for more. Give
us more, give us more, give us more. I just
don't think, what's her name, bluter coach back there.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
I feel like she just let her do it be Caitlyn,
and it was working, you know, until you got to
the championship level.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And I feel like, you know, if you didn't have that.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Pressure to elevate your game and those developmental stages going
into the league, you're in the pros now, they're gonna
want you to do what you do.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And and in women's basketball college basketball, there are very
few that are our champions in that area. And one
is gone. Uh uh, that's Pat Summit. She was fantastic
and getting just about every one of her you know,
her her recruits went to the pro. Gino uh at

(09:26):
Yukon and Don in South Carolina. I mean, you've got
Crazy Cam at LSU and all that. But they're they're
all personality type they are, you know, they're they're all
different personalities. But when you talk about the core fundamental
developing a person, developing a player, getting them ready for
the next level. To me, the three great of the

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well four, like I said, Pat Summitt, Gino are Emma,
Don Staley and who is the other one I named?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, but you mention the person.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, the three, Yeah, Pat Summitt, Gino and Don Staley,
those are the ones.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
You put the emphasis on personality. Called her crazy Kim.
You didn't even say her last name, you just say
crazy Kim. It assumed the audience knows crazy Kim crazy kill.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'm sorry, I apologize, but.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It fit the narrative because you put her in the
personality category. So I see why you you know why
you did that.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know a lot of people think she may be
the reason behind Angel Reese's that she did not help
Angel as much as she could have Angel rees as
much as she could have.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
I looked into that because I watched injuries play at LSU,
and my thing what it was she was coming off
some injuries that she had, surgeries that she had in
regards to some rides in her legs, so there were
some things that she had to learn shoulder injuries as well.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
And I think this year for those who because we.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Haven't heard much about injuries in recent months, which is good,
but it also is polarizing because you know, we heard
so much about injuries when she was doing bad.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
But if you've been watching her games this year, she's
been doing good. She's actually been improving.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
She's elevating her game and working on her shutting and
getting her mechanics back.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
And I see more now of a more.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Mature injuries good good and.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
Also in her game similar to what she was doing
in high school because in high school THEYD her doing
a lot more ball handling. You know, as far as
the role she played before she went to l s
U or transferred to l SU said, because she didn't
go there first.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
She's got some pr things that she needs to smooth over,
some pr things that she can improve upon. Can you
believe that this just made breaking news? Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelcey, speaking of sports, are now officially engaged.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'm gonna do this real quick.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, what did you do that for?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Because I mean, if we have any Swifty fans, if
we have any Swifty fans listening, they're gonna want us
to applaud and congratulate the new engagement.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, Taylor, I'm not a Chiefs fan, nor am I,
but it is a it's an energy that just seems
to have taken over the country, especially certain generations. But anyway,
it says it's official. They aren't tying the knot. She
announced the engagement on social media today, saying, your English

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teacher and your gym teacher are getting married. The pop
princess and three times Super Bowl winning Kansas City Chiefs
tight End have been dating since September of twenty twenty three.
Online reports say the couple met in July of twenty
twenty three. She's been a vocal supporter of Kelsey and
the Chiefs, often seen cheering her bow on from stadium

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boxes alongside his family. Oh they were. It wasn't it
terrible because because you couldn't watch the Chiefs game because
they kept without seeing Taylor Swift in the box or
wherever she was. And to a certain degree, I've heard
criticism of trying to watch Fever games and even though
Caitlin Clark is not playing, it's like, whoever the director

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is of these games, that she's just sitting down at
every other every other shot, they're taking a shot of
her to get her reaction, her reaction. It's that kind
of overkill that makes people, I don't know, cynical or
you know, just just irritated about certain personalities. And that
certainly is true with the overblown attention to Caitlyn. I think,

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and then, my goodness, Kelsey and Taylor Swift.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Brief we are discussing sports and entertainment. The key of
it is entertainment.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Taylor Swift and Caitlyn Clark moved the needle.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Whether we you know, are fans of her or not
is a whole nother conversation. But when it comes to
the marketing advertising dollars, when it comes to networks and
the deals that they make with the NFL and the WNBA, respectfully,
they moved the needle, so they moved the camera. Is
gonna pay media timeouts, hard foul, you know, coach time out.

(14:07):
They're gonna pay the Caitlin Clark. And when they come
to football, you get it down, you gotta take a
media time out. You're gonna see you get a touchdown.
Let let let Kelsey do something, you know, magnificent. For
the Kansas City Chiefs, you're gonna you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Say, it's gonna be even more boring now. But I again,
I don't watch Chiefs games. Sorry, Brandon, This is funny.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
He's a Chiefs fan.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
He is a huge Chiefs fan. And my cousin Mark,
Mike Good. Mark says that he has been a Chiefs
fan since before they even had the name. So he said,
I've suffered with him through you know, thinking thing and
he is a to the core Chiefs fan, so good
I'm sure cousin Mark and our colleague, Brandon. I'm sure

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they're very happy, or maybe they're I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, no, Brandon, he thinks they're going all the way.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
He in fact, funny enough, well he thinks they're going
all the way in the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yes, oh, he is a Chiefs fan.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
But but what he what he did want to you know,
the caveat is he doesn't want Philly to make it again.
He doesn't want them to have to face Philly.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Again if they won't because it's going to be the
Washington Commanders. They just got they just got their star.
My boy, Terry McLaurin, he got his deal. Yeah, yeah,
we got Terry good At. He got it. He deserved it.
You know, I don't think there was a person anywhere

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that is that calls themselves a commander's fan. Uh, that
said that. That young man did not deserve everything that
that he got. So he wanted over thirty a year,
he's getting over thirty a year, and he wanted extended.
He's getting extended. He's getting three years. So he has
done nothing but pack his lunch box and go to
work every single day. Yes, so that's who's going to

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win the Super Bowl next year. In my own humble opinion.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
And here's the thing about that, for those of y'all
that mayor and I watch football out there, and the
Washington Commanders and Philadelphia Eagles are in the same division.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
That's why I said it won't be Philly. Philly won't
have Super Bowl fatigue because they had a longer schedule. Uh.
And I think the Commanders are younger, they're hungrier, and
now they've got all their pieces together. They were going
to give Terry the money anyway.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Rookie season was nothing short.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Of amazing, and he is going to be even better.
So they got all their pieces in place. Everybody's healthy,
everybody's got their checks. So let's go. And you know,
you know who is calling right now? Are good buddy?
Uh and fellow Commanders fan Jeff, go ahead, Jeff.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
How are you tell them how you feel?

Speaker 7 (16:39):
Jeff, oh, exuberating, We're back.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yes, yes, yes, I don't care about all the business.
You just give all them their money checks and get
all that get Let's just go. I don't care about
the business, excuse me aspect of it. So it's all good.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean, I'm happy for the young men. Yea, Eagles,
you better look out we're coming or Eagles Giants. You
know how didn't mention those other clowns.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Nobody's talking about the big clowns in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
We're not.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
Oh my goodness, today they need they all just need
to uh quit their football careers and go on Saturday
Night Live and take Jerry Jones with We do.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Got one thing to say, Jeff, and I do want
to get your thoughts on this, speaking of that particular
team down there in Texas.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
What's your thoughts on Michael Parsons.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
I don't as long as you wear that star in
his helmet, I could care less about you.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
Do you sleep?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Do you see them sleep on the table at preseason?

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah, something like that, you know, but you know long
they got long as Jerry Jones is in the vicinity.
I no, no, no, I I care less about America's team.
You know, Uh Commanders slash Redskins. That's me, that's those
my guys.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Are they gonna get the name back?

Speaker 9 (18:01):
Jeff?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
You know anything about that?

Speaker 10 (18:03):
Now?

Speaker 7 (18:03):
Now that that orange knucklehead he says he's going to
hold up the stadium contract with the city until they
gets the name back. Now I'm a little bit torn
about that. Because yeah, because I don't now the song. God,
you know, usually say I'm a navy guy. Usually they
you name an aircraft carry after somebody who's you know, deceased.

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Now he was an aircraft carrier named after him.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Did you hear? Okay? I was looking for it.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Now he was the mump Rushmore and well that.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But apparently there's a they there. They just hung a
huge mural him, a feudal rose of it open. No, uh,
where is it? The display spans threes h I'm trying
to find it. Trump portrait draped over the Department of

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Labor Building. A massive portrait of Donald Trump was draped
over the Department of Labor Building in Washington, d C.
Featuring his second inaugural portrait, the America two fifty initiative logo,
and the slogan American Workers First. The displayed spans three
stories of the buildings windows and is accompanied by an

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American flag and a portrait of Theodore Roosevelt carrying the
same motto. Earlier, this spring of banner with the same
presidential portrait of Trunk alongside one of Abraham Lincoln, was
displayed on the Department of Agriculture building. If this is
not a dictatorship in the making. I don't know what is,
because you know how they have their supreme leaders pictures

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all over everything? Why does his picture have to be
on these government buildings, these ex I mean, it's kind
of like the you know what you have down at
the Lucas Oil and then over there at Gamebridge pictures
of athletes, you know that's fun. And even down over
on a where is it the j w uh you

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know where they have oversized pictures of like the race
and players.

Speaker 11 (20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
What in the world in Washington.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
D C?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
A city that he hates, I guess because he said
it's so crime ridden. Does he need to be out
over all these pictures? It just it's just crazy.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Well, you know, Tina and Kem, y'all know the answer
to that. We're dealing with a fragile man with the
ego who who wants to be Joseph Stalin, wants to
be Adolf Hitler, wants to be Benito Mussolini. He wants
his picture over there, and we're you know, there's some
clowns out there calling this radio show every now and then,

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but they ain't got the courage to say I voted
for Trump.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh there's some that said they did.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, well, you know, how does that work it out
for you? How does that work it out for well?

Speaker 4 (20:48):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think that the same energy that drove them to
vote for him is the same energy that's not allowing
them to see what we see.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
Because that's great, that's colpe mentality, just like Charles Manson
and Jim Jones. So I said, it ain't taking that back.
Ain't taking it back. But now you got this guy
was going to send the National Guards into every major said,
you don't know, all these cities he's sending these National
guards have black mayors.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
They're all democratic, and every one of them has a
black mayor. Exactly.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
You know, you got you got cities like Detroit, which
predominantly black, but they got a white mayor. Yeah, they
got a white mayor.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
And most of your crime I wish Dion was your gou.
I know, Dale like to beat up on democrats and
crime city. Most of your crimes are in the Red States.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Tina, Yes, that is a fact. But you know what
they're saying, this is how twisted things are getting. They're
saying that those numbers aren't correct.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
They're not correct these This is a classic fascist playbook.
They say it's a crime. We needed we need a
you know, which is how you say you need a
solution in search of a problem. Yeah, and you know, uh,
the national the military is not equipped to do law
and form, okay. And then he cut on the budgets

(22:04):
that that will help fun law enforcement and he cut that.
So I'm just saying, is uh uh, you know, this
is all Project twenty twenty five, what you've been talking
about before almost a year ten is coming into fruition
and here we are people. But I'm so glad that
Governor Priskert and Illinois and Gavin Newsom' and Wes Moore

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and Maryland standing up to this the phone as a
veteran who after really disrespectful day. He's disrespecting veterans and
he's a draft dodger. I said it. He's a draft dodger.
He had a chance to go to Vietnam. He did
because he said his speechs were hurting, which that's which
is a lie. But you know, I don't want to

(22:49):
spend too much time with Donald Trump because I just
had lunch and I don't want to have it all
over my rush it's got this nice rubs. You know,
I don't want to mess up. I don't want to
talk about you know, but you know I will sit
and I'm gonna respond some real quick. I'm gonna hang
out to one of your regulars. I'm talking to you, Pierre.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Pierre.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
I want you to get on yourself. I want you
to look at the Battle for Declaration. You claim I
said some things about Nick, yeah, which I don't know
what you're talking about. Guy. I said nothing about Neck
n yeah who last week? But I will say now Neck, yeah,
Who's a war criminal. He's a thug. He has no
dain a tie to that land. It's people out of Germany.
You got indigenous Palestinian Jews that look like me, Tina

(23:28):
and Cameron. You don't ever see them. I guess you're
okay with a man butchering children and taking food away
from kids. So yeah, I said, I don't like Nick. Yeah,
I never will and never have. But you know what,
he don't like Christians he wants to get rid of.
He wants Christians out of Israel as well as muslim
So but.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think the problem that a lot of that is
a conflate dislike and I know what you're saying because
anti Semitism, and they couldn't be for their part, they're
too different things. Yeah, but it's not you know, just

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saying you know, he said, I think and and thanks Jeff,
I appreciate your call. But he was saying, too, I
think that give net Yaho's some respect and never because
you know that man, like you know, some others on
the world stage, is a war criminal. He's a w
he to me, I mean, I don't know, maybe he

(24:30):
hasn't been I need to find out his status. But
the bottom line is, uh, you know, to say that
we should give net Yaho some respect and when we
take a look at everything that's that's taking place over there,
that that's just that's something that simply cannot be done
on my part. I can't. Now you know, maybe others can,
but I can't and I won't. So that was that

(24:54):
was my answer to that. But to uh, to Jeff's
point and again three one, seven, four, eight, zero thirteen ten,
I found this it's pretty interesting that it looks like,
you know, he was talking about running a Trump running

(25:16):
away from the draft and not going because his feet hurt.
This isn't the same thing but it's it's something to
understand and know what's going on. And it says the
number of Americans seeking refuge status in Canada surges, so

(25:36):
along the same lines as some other things that we're
talking about, we have now Americans you and I who
are claiming refuge e status. They're saying, we are that
they are refugees trying to get into Canada and going
across the Canadian border. Yes, and it reads applications from

(26:02):
American citizens registering for refuge status in Canada have spiked
since Donald Trump's return to office, with more filed in
the first half of twenty twenty five than in all
of last year. So so far, you know, eighth month
and more, you know, more refugee applications have been filed

(26:25):
and than in the totality of last year from Americans.
You know what a refugee is. You're you're you're trying
to escape persecution. A refugee is someone that wants to
enter into your country on emergency status to escape persecution
in their own homeland. Right may have that not entirely correct,

(26:51):
but that for the most part, that's what a refugee is.
And so I'm telling you there are Americans claiming they
have refuge status, that is, asking to go to Canada.
Data released by the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board last
week on claims of alleged persecution by the country revealed

(27:13):
that there were two hundred and forty five refugee applications
made by US citizens in the first six months of
this year, making a stark uptick from two hundred and
four referrals filed by Americans in the whole of twenty
twenty four. While the number of US citizens applying for
refugee status in Canada has surged, it represents only a
fraction of the more than fifty five thousand total claims

(27:36):
filed through June, with claimants from India accounting for almost
a fifth of that total. But here's the thing. How
often do you hear of an American I don't care
if it's two. How often do you hear of an
American from the Great Old US of a going anywhere
saying they're being persecuted in their home country? Hundreds, not
just one or two. So far hundred, more than one hundred,

(27:58):
two hundreds of Americans are feeling persecuted in their own
homeland and are asking to go to Canada, maybe other places.
I don't know. This is just a report from Canada.
It goes on to say Canada's acceptance of US refugees
has historically been low, with applicants needing to convince Canada's

(28:20):
Immigration and Refugee Board that no part of the US
offers them safety to gain asylum. The trend of Americans
seeking refugee status in Canada reflects a growing perception among
some Americans that their safety and rights are at risk
due to the Trump administration's policy, ranging from a rollback

(28:40):
of LGBTQ plus rights and attacks against academic institutions. Not
to mention these very well known. We just talked about
attacks against cities, major cities with black mayors that are democratic.
I mean, if people can't see that, now, I don't

(29:01):
know who's making their glasses. I mean, if you cannot
see exactly what's in front of you, what he's doing,
what they are all doing, there's nobody. I just don't
see it. But they're black mayors in cities that have
high populations of African Americans, I guess, and they're democratic.

(29:21):
He is not going to where the numbers say he
should be going, which are read Republican held districts, Republican
health cities, Republican health states that have higher crime rates
and need more intervention than a Baltimore or a DC
or a Chicago, all of whom and you know, it's

(29:45):
Whooh defies logic, defies logic. And I guess what I
don't understand is people that can't see that for what
it is. I mean, you can't make it up. It's
not a coincidence. It's real. Which is why I wanted
to get back to part of our story that you know,
part of our discussion that we had yesterday. I'm going

(30:07):
to take a quick break and I'm going to tell
you why I want to get back to that, and
it kind of incorporates what we just talked about. I'll
be right back.

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Speaker 2 (35:40):
And we're back with Community Connection three one seven for
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Still ahead, a discussion on maternal health with psychologist doctor
Denise Hayes. She'll be here in studio very shortly, UH
with a couple of guests that she's bringing along to

(36:01):
continue and further that discussion. But what I was talking
about yesterday sadly, and I still I went to bed
thinking about this, the ice raids at the schools here
in the city of Indianapolis, and the woman who called
in about her granddaughter, I believe that was just totally

(36:25):
totally devastated by the fact that her granddaughter's little friend, Abigail,
had been taken and the granddaughter was so devastated. They
weren't supposed to use their phones, but she called her
grandmother anyway, she snuck snuck a call in to tell
her how upset she was and that they don't know
where she went or what happened to her or what.

(36:47):
And these raids, I mean, yesterday wasn't the first. It
was one of the few that we were notified about
thanks to a tipster. And I want to thank the
tipster again, and I want to thank the caller who
called in with real uh, you know, real time experience.
What I had was real good.

Speaker 19 (37:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I wouldn't even put it on the air if I
didn't think it was good or credible information that it
had happened and that it was going on at a
couple of different places. Some were ips in areas or
schools where they have high populations of Hispanics, and some
were charters, same profile high populations of Hispanics. And so

(37:32):
we had with us on the air yesterday Attorney Taiwan Garrett,
who has done a lot of work with the NAACP.
In fact, he was an officer at some point in
time and certainly worked with the legal department. And you know,
his thing was that we have got to do a

(37:52):
better job of letting people know that we are here.
We've got to do a better job of calling are
elected officials and letting them know what we think. A
call is so simple, it doesn't cost anything, it takes
no time whatsoever. And so I'm going to be hammering

(38:14):
away at that a little bit more to try to
get us more in that mindset, because I think a
lot of us want to throw up our arms and
say it's not going to matter. It's not going to matter.
Those phone calls do matter. What people outside of the
Beltway or outside of Market Street or whatever, you know,
the State House or you know down on the city,

(38:35):
you know they do matter. I can't tell you how
many publicly elected officials come in here and tell you
the same thing. That's what they pay attention to, that
they hear it whether you voted for him or not.
And you don't always have to say, for instance, of
your Republican. You don't just always have to call republicans,
call democrats, call them both. Call whoever you can talk to,

(38:57):
or you can at least express an opinion, call them
and let them know what you think, because other than that,
they're operating in a vacuum, and more often than not,
that vacuum is what they want to do, not what
you want to see done. So you know what do
they call that? Know your value? Know your value, realize

(39:19):
your worth because it is tremendous. And I've said it
a thousand times here as well. If your vote didn't matter,
if your voice didn't matter, people would not be trying
to take away your vote. And if your voice didn't matter,
people would not be trying to silence you. It matters.
We just have to find a way to organize it
and focus it in the right direction so that it lands. Okay,

(39:42):
we got to make it land. It matters. No, it matters.
We got to make it land. So again, I'll get
back to that a little bit later, but I just
wanted to let you know that I appreciated Attorney Garrett's
advice and his call to action, so to speak, no
pun intended, but he's saying that start doing that. And

(40:04):
somebody who has worked with a civil rights organization like
the NAACP, like Attorney Garrett has, he knows what he's
talking about. He knows what works. It's just getting all
of us to buy into it and carry it out.
So we're going to be talking about it a little
bit more. Hopefully not only talking about it, we're going
to be doing it a little bit more. So stay

(40:27):
tuned for that. Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten.
Three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. Is that Pierre? Okay?
Go ahead? Yeah, go ahead, Pierre. How are you today?

Speaker 10 (40:40):
Good afternoon, teenamed camera.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Good afternoon on the little girl.

Speaker 10 (40:46):
What the ice is doing? And y'all know, I'm a
big proponent of of get getting illegal aliens out of here. However,
I think that's illegal. I don't think he can go
snatching up American the kids, probably American citizens.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Well they're doing it though, you know, whether it's you know,
they're doing it.

Speaker 10 (41:08):
Well, yeah, back at the end of that process is
probably gonna be a big fat payout to the to
the family because US citizens and polks had been seeing
and a couple of cases they've been getting paid. So
you know, uh, that's the crime too. But have you
talked did you address the Federal Reserve board member Lisa Cook?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh, the black woman who Trump fired seems to be
you know, it seems like everybody black is getting the
you know, he's coming down on I have not addressed it.
I'm aware of it. Uh what do you in terms
of what do you mean? Well, he fired her, he
fired her, and she said she's not gonna go away quietly.
But she's a black woman and so yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (41:58):
Go ahead.

Speaker 10 (41:58):
So so she's, uh, this may be his waterloo because
he can't. He can do whatever he wants, but whether
it's legal or not. And if I hope, I think
the Supreme courtal backer up.

Speaker 21 (42:10):
I just do.

Speaker 10 (42:13):
Well, you know they don't you know, we'll just have
to see. But there's no there's no cause to get
rid of that lady and uh the board, and he's
messing with the Federal Reserve. Uh that could go to
the faith and credit uh of the United States of
America's money system. So we'll we'll see. However, I did

(42:38):
want to get to uh uh the Netting Yahoo thing,
and I called in uh the last week, and I said,
you need to put some respect on Netanyah who's name,
because as we all know, Jeff and and Jeff you
you you danced over this and I can't let you
do this. You were was there at the time those

(43:02):
Marines were killed. From what I understand it, and what
I was saying was that Benjamin Netting Yahoo and the IDEAF.

Speaker 22 (43:14):
Got the guy who.

Speaker 10 (43:16):
Was responsible for killing those two hundred and forty some
ID Marines and sixty French soldiers. They got him last
year in an airstrike Ibra him I killed. That's why
I said you ought to put some respect on the
man's name. Because for forty years, the United States of
America and for whatever reason, left the man alive. But

(43:40):
Benjamin Netting Yahoo and the IDEA.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
F they got him.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
So that's why I said you ought to put some
respect on the man's name. Now, the other the other day,
a guy called in here called Benjamin Netan Yahoo a
war criminal. You just said he was a war criminal.
Everybody else said he's a war criminal. Okay, if he's
a war criminal, then doesn't it go Joe Biden's a

(44:08):
war criminal, and then Donald Trump's a war criminal because
if we if you say the guy's a war criminal,
who's giving him the bullets in the bonds to fight
the war.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's not That's not the definition though. But I get
your logic. I get your logic. Yeah, I see how
you can rationalize that. Let me do this. The supply
chain does not a war criminal make but go.

Speaker 10 (44:32):
Ahead, yes it does because if somebody, if I know,
somebody's a mass murderer and he's coming.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Into mind, okay, okay, bullets or whatever.

Speaker 10 (44:41):
But what I'm saying is if I give him the
bullets in the bomb, I'm complicit in that. I am
complicit in that. And if if you say net and
Yahoo is a war criminal because he's fighting the war
that the Palestinians started, they started that war. If you

(45:05):
if you.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Say the man, well, but how is he fighting? At Pierre?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
He how is he?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
How is he fighting that? And what are the images
coming out of that conflict? How is he doing it?
I mean the hospital was just bombed and journalists were
killed a hospital. I mean, how is he doing it? Pierre?

Speaker 10 (45:26):
You're over talking to me because you know that Hamas
puts those fighters and you know they put so Velians
in harm's way.

Speaker 22 (45:35):
You know that.

Speaker 10 (45:36):
But let me get to my final point and I'll
get off the radio and let somebody else call in,
because this is what this is leading to. And you know,
the people who call them a war criminal, they're disingenuous
because they never take it to this next step. And
here's the next step in all of this. If Notting
Yahoo is a war criminal, then Biden and Trump's a
war criminal.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Okay, okay, okay, that's well. I believe that that's how
you see it, and I can't argue. I mean, if
that's your if that's how you see it, that's how
you see it.

Speaker 10 (46:04):
Pierre, No, no, no, who don't finish?

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Go ahead and finish if they're war criminals.

Speaker 10 (46:10):
Because Betton y'asu's our war criminal, because like I said,
we're giving him the means to do it and carry
it out. I don't understand why you don't see the
logic in that. But if he is, then guess what.
We owe reparations to the Palestinian people. And we owe
reparations to those families in Michigan who have family members

(46:30):
in Gaza who were killed and blown up with US
bomb and US bullets. Now, are y'all ready to pay
the reparations to them?

Speaker 7 (46:40):
I'm not.

Speaker 10 (46:41):
They don't deserve it because they started it. But if
you say, Thatt y'all, who's a war criminal, then just
support reparations for the Palestinian.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So so your opinion is that net and Yahoo is
an upstanding, fine person that's doing the right thing and
should be celebrated.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
You know what I'm saying is the nation was attacked, and.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Well, nobody's argued. Nobody has ever argued that point. Nobody
has ever denied that, Pierre, I'm asking, how did what?
Never mind? Go ahead tomorrow?

Speaker 10 (47:12):
They can end the work tomorrow by giving up the
hostages and.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Surrendery Okay, okay, have we had any What would happen.

Speaker 10 (47:22):
If sixteen hundred black people were wiped out, rape beaten
and uh shot and taking hostage.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And no one is our No one is denying that, Pierre, boy.

Speaker 10 (47:34):
How would we fight it? If the people that did
it are going to hide among civilians, you have to
go through the civilians to get to them.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
Is that? Is that?

Speaker 21 (47:44):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
What's happening every time?

Speaker 23 (47:47):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
What's happening in every single incident?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
What's happening with the food lines?

Speaker 8 (47:51):
Is that?

Speaker 24 (47:52):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
What's happening with the skeleton like people?

Speaker 10 (47:54):
The Pean back here in the comfort the results of
the Second World War. We bombed Germany, we bombed Japan. Okay,
we got two oceans sitting between us. We haven't had
to deal with armies and people like that on our borders.
We haven't had to put up with the types of

(48:16):
attacks that these people have put up with.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
For the last Well, okay, well then I guess then
I guess then that then that validates everything that that
y'all who is doing. Is that what you're saying? Yes, okay,
well then that's what I just said with Pierre. I
see how you think. I see how you believe that. Okay,
I understand your point. I get your point of view.

Speaker 10 (48:41):
The war criminals, then we're war criminals, and we are
the Palestinian people reparation and if you believe it, if
Calapan Drake Carson asked him, if y'all, who's a war criminals?
And if he is asking, does he support reparations for
the Palestinian people.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I get your point, Pierre, And then y'all, who's the
war criminal.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
Than we owe the Palestian people and the people in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
All right, I appreciate it, Thank you. I appreciate it.
I get your point. I see your point of view.
I do not agree with how you have rationalized and concluded, okay,
and I can't I can't figure out how to make
that any clearer to you. You see it one way.
I see it a different way. And that doesn't mean
that we can't talk about it. I just don't agree

(49:26):
with your with your assessment and your logic. I don't agree.
I do not like uh well anyway, anyway, I don't
like what Ntania who's doing right now and what he
has been doing. Uh three, one, seven, four, eight, zero
thirteen to ten. Virginia, go ahead. How are you?

Speaker 22 (49:45):
Hello?

Speaker 7 (49:45):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm well? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (49:46):
How are you?

Speaker 22 (49:48):
I'm well? I apologize that I'm just now tuning in.
I got busy and I planned on tuning in today
to find out more about the discussion yesterday about the
ice showing up at started schools and the IPS, and
I was sure you were probably gonna address that today.

(50:09):
But I missed whatever you talked about on it. But
I tried to google it last night, and my family
try to google it any Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
There's not a whole lot that the school systems are
bound by certain guidelines that they can't, you know, share
because I've tried that before. We do know based on
a caller that it did happen. We do know based
on my tip that it did happen. We do know
that it continues to happen. But beyond that, we we

(50:37):
simply don't know. That's what we were talking about, and
that's what I was saying, is that we the recourse.
Everybody wants to do something or see something done about it.
We got to start calling these people in Washington and
who are in charge, who are allowing these policies and
this this this absolute ridiculous hatred and victimization of these

(50:59):
poor children to continue to take place. So there, you know,
I can't I don't have any details to give you.
I can't that I you know you all you know,
listenards you can give me more details than what I
can give you, because I simply, you know, you get
stonewalled when you ask, they're not going to tell you.
Uh So, yeah, no, there's there's nothing you can google.

(51:21):
You just have to depend on folks out there on
the ground, on the ground.

Speaker 22 (51:26):
And so then then we are going to stay with
the truth that there was a young young girl taking
gil I believe it was.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well, it's not a matter of staying with the truth.
I mean, the woman called in and said it actually
happened because her her granddaughter, that is I mean, and
she wouldn't have made that up. She even gave us
the little girl's name. So what I'm saying is I
want to find out more as well, Virginia. But I
you know, it's just difficult. And so while we're trying
to find out more, you know, in terms of these

(51:54):
particular instances, we've got to figure out how to stop
the practice. And the only way to start the practice
is to get the lawmakers to lean on these folks
who are just running rough shot over people. The cruelty
is off the charts. The cruelty is off the charts.
It's just unthinkable evil. It is is pure evil. It
is pure evil, pure evil. All right, thank you. I

(52:16):
appreciate it. Thank you, huh, appreciate it. Let's see Mayhem
go ahead. Hey, how's you going, going, going good?

Speaker 7 (52:25):
Doing good?

Speaker 21 (52:27):
Uh.

Speaker 25 (52:27):
Sometimes I cringe when I hear people talking and trying
to prove a point. You know, if you're using food
for a weapon and starving people to death, that's genocide.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yep, you you you bomb.

Speaker 25 (52:46):
The h where they live at They living on the street,
cannot get food and water. But we trying to prove
a point, and the evidence speech for itself. I just cringe.
I wonder if that happened to us, will we be
one people debating or what's right and what's wrong? And

(53:06):
then over here were snatching kids, so called American kids,
and using them for ponds to get their parents. And
I just want to tell I'm not gonna mention names.
If it wasn't for people coming over here getting these jobs.
I know people hate this, but it's true. It wasn't

(53:27):
for foreigners to come over getting the jobs that we
don't want, America will fall. It's it's the foreigner to
keeping America afloat because American people, now they are mighty
and don't want to work these low level jobs. But
other people are coming over here doing it and they're

(53:48):
happy doing it. They know how to save and make
the money work for them, but Americans don't. Thing we
want to do is debate.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
They have the one you too, Mayham, And that reminds
me because we had had so many callers complaining that
the foreigners were taking all the jobs at the warehouses,
and they used as an example, if you go to
a warehouse, you will see seventy to eighty percent of
the people employed there are foreigners. And so I got tired,

(54:17):
you know, I wanted to dig into it a little
deeper because that complaint kept coming up. You know, people
here kept saying, they're taking all of our job. They're
taking all of our jobs.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I don't know if they were called the black jobs
or not. Trump called them that, called some of them that.
But back to the point that may have just made.
They're working these jobs because perhaps we're not. And the
reason that I know that is because I brought in
an HR manager right here in the studio set right here,

(54:46):
and looked at them and talk to them and asked them,
are you showing preferential treatment to people who are non American?
Non African American? Are you giving foreigners you know, the
you know, are you giving them the hands up or
whatever you call it, I don't know what you call it.
Are you giving them preferential treatment? And he said, you

(55:09):
know what, he said, we have jobs to feel, we
have positions to feel, we have a company to run.
I can only hire the people who apply. I would
be happy to hire everybody and anybody. I don't care
what color they are, what country they come from, or
what race they are, if they want to come in
and work and they want to come in and put

(55:30):
in an application. I'm hiring them because that's my job. Now,
if it just so happens that seventy percent of the
people who answer these applications and fill them out and
ask for work are non American or non African American,
what am I supposed to do about that? I got
a job to do too. And so, in short, how

(55:53):
can he hire people who don't apply? See, that's the question,
how can he? And he was a very good HR person,
a very good harm and very open, and I believe him.
You got warehouse jobs, you got packages you got to
get out, you got things that have to be sorted,

(56:13):
and all this other stuff, and you're on a deadline.
You need people who want to work and are willing
to work and will come to work every day and
do the work. And if that means that all of
everybody is African American and African Americans are breaking down
the doors to get to those jobs, I'm hiring them.
If it means that people from India or Mexico or

(56:35):
whatever are breaking down the doors to get to these jobs,
I'm hiring them because they want to work, and I
got work for them. It's as simple as that. And
why we want to whine all the time about foreigners
taking our jobs when we have one example that we
saw played out right here on the show that the
jobs are there if you want them, or if you

(56:55):
want to apply for them and take them. That's according
to at least the HR manager that we had in here.
So things that go on in other places. I have
been told I don't know what I'm talking about, Okay,
So but I tell you I think that the example
that we had here was more the norm than not,
was more the case than not. Anyway, we got to

(57:18):
switch gears here. We're getting ready to take a quick break,
and when we come back, doctor Denise Hayes will join
us and we're going to talk about some maternal health
issues things we all need to know about. We'll be
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Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
And we are back with Community Connection, going into our
second hour and is promised back with us to day.
Doctor Denise hay psychologist and Secretary of the Indiana Chapter
of the Association of Black Psychologists. Doctor Hayes, welcome back,
Thank you so much, well, thank you for being back.
We've got a you know, we got a big event
coming up next month which is in a couple of days,

(01:01:16):
and you're going to join us for that. It's our
Stop the Music Anti Suicide initiative that we continue on
and it's going to be on World Suicide Prevention Day Wednesday,
September the tenth, and you're going to be one of
the guests there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
So the Wednesday or Tuesday? Is it Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I think it's Wednesday. I believe it's so, you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Know, that'll mark our one year anniversary the first time
I came on the show last year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, wow, has it been a year, Yes, ma'am. We've
only gotten better, haven't we. Ye've gotten better? Well, thank you,
And yeah, we're really looking forward to, you know, another
year that and it's something that our group here the
Indianapoli stations of Radio one has been Mintitude for quite
a while. So yeah, that's that's gonna be a good

(01:02:03):
discussion again. That's coming up September tenth. I'm gonna you've
got me concerned now because I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Thought if I see, I'm just used to Tuesday, oh
the tuesdays.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, I think this will be on Yep, it is
a Wednesday. It is a Wednesday. Yeah, going to be
on a Wednesday, So we'll do from the It'll be
a special community connection. Uh, they throughout the day at
our different stations, we're calling all of our broadcast on
that day, stop the music, where we just stopped regular

(01:02:35):
programming and just have serious talk, uh, serious talks about that.
And it's it's impacting our community, our young people of color,
communities of color, and young people of color. So again,
the next time we talk to you, we will be
back with you. Well yeah, yeah, that'll be the next
time we talk to you. Spent a couple of weeks.
We're looking forward to that. But you have a completely

(01:02:56):
different topic today and a completely different cast found you today.
I tell you what you brought. You brought the artillery here.
You got a lot of folks here that are joining
us for this discussion, and one is sitting right next
to you, and that is doctor Nicole carry Doctor Carrey. Welcome,
thank you, thank you. Hey, you tell us a little

(01:03:17):
bit about yourself. You're you're quite an influencer here. We
really appreciate people like you and doctor Hayes as well.

Speaker 26 (01:03:24):
But yeah, I'm happy to be here. Indianapolis native born
and raised on the West Side, Okay, west Side, Yes, Okay,
west Side, Okay, and really focused on reducing infant mortality
in my work, and so I have a consulting firm
where we do implementation of programs like Cradle Indie, and

(01:03:44):
I also have a nonprofit where we do training and
certification of doulas and so have my hands and all
different kinds of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
You trained and certified doulas.

Speaker 11 (01:03:53):
We absolutely do.

Speaker 20 (01:03:54):
Wow, that is yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah, And we have some doulas online.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
You know, more and more people are using doula's. I'm
learning not my age group, but you know, I'm finding
out about uh, you know, their children, and it's it's
just it's kind of like part of the conversation, the
fabric of pregnancy, and you know, from start to break,
you know, doulas are just automatically included in that in
a lot of people. So anyway, we have some douelists.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Yeah, we have some doulas. We have Abbi more Africa,
who has been with us before when we were talking
about ungle parents, and we have Jasmine King who's also
a doula, and perhaps Tory Son uh. And then we're
also going to be joined by doctor Tiffany Williams, who's

(01:04:41):
an Associate professor and licensed psychologist who specializes in Perry
natal and postpartum mental health clinic at the School of Medicine.
But I would like to start off with just putting
some context on why this is important. Absolutely so, I
believe last month I talked to about I'm not your Superwoman.

(01:05:02):
We kind of started with that, and today I want
to start with Endangered Species by Diane Reeves. And if
our engineer can just begin with that, just for a
couple of seconds, just to give some context on the
struggle sometimes black women experience.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
Okay, I am.

Speaker 24 (01:05:31):
No victim songs.

Speaker 27 (01:05:33):
Well, I am a woman.

Speaker 8 (01:05:37):
I am a lot.

Speaker 21 (01:05:42):
And I know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
My voice.

Speaker 14 (01:06:03):
I am an any danger species, but I sing no
vistim songs.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
I am a woman, I am an artist.

Speaker 12 (01:06:12):
I know are my voice speeding long.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I amn't any danger species.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
But I see that's a powerful statement.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Thank you, thanks powerful. And the verses one Verse one
says I'm a woman. I exist. I shake my fist,
but now my hips. My skin is dark, my body
is strong. I sing a rebirth, no victim song. Verse two.
They cut out my sex, they bind my feet, silence
my reflex, no tongue to speak. I work in the fields,

(01:06:42):
I work in the stores. I type up the deals,
I mop the floors. My body is fertile. I bring
about life, drugs, famine, and war. Take them back out.
My husband can beat me, his right, they say. And
rape isn't rape, you say, I'd like it that way.

(01:07:02):
And so I just want to give some context to
why we're talking about women, Black women and why we
need to talk about infant mortality and the health of
Black women because they are the backbone of our culture
and if we don't take care of them, then our culture,
I'm worried, is going to crumble. And so that's the

(01:07:26):
context for talking about this. And so it's important that
everyone pay attention to this, not just women, but fathers
and sister fathers and brothers and uncles and sons and daughters, everybody.
We all need to take care of that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
So kind of like what I was saying, is all encompassing.
We talk about women, and we talk about maternal but
it impacts everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It impacts every everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
So who would you like to start with?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
So I want to see if doctor Williams is on
the I am all right, Sonimmy. Yes, yes, thanks so
much for joining us and we really appreciate you. And
can you tell us a little bit about what you
do and what you think some of the concerns are

(01:08:17):
and how the community can help.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
Yes, yes, yes, So, like you mentioned earlier, I run
the Perinato Post part of Mental Health Clinic here at
Indiana University and Indiana University Health. And so the people
that I generally work with are individuals experiencing any kind
of like mental health condition while they're pregnant or for

(01:08:41):
us to a year after they've given birth. And so
in terms of mental health condition, that can be depression, anxiety, OCD, TTSD,
post traumatic stress disorder. Yes, a variety of mental health concerns.
The second question was I think it has something to

(01:09:02):
do with the prevalence. So essentially black women experience or
forty percent of Black women experience maternal mental health concerns.
And what we do know is that black women are
more likely to experience PTSD as well in childbirth trauma.
And so one of the reasons why I like to

(01:09:23):
offer this kind of service is to help women who
are experiencing any kind of stressors that might be making
their pregnancy more complicated, especially if, like with Black women,
you're more succeptable to adverse pregnancy outcomes that can like
further complicate your experience during throughout pregnancy and giving birth.

(01:09:43):
And so general disorders, like I said, depression anxiety PTSD,
sometimes bipolar disorder can occur. Doesn't look like the same
thing in everyone, and so some women might be faced
with irritability, you know, and issues with eating or sleeping,

(01:10:03):
you know, if experiencing depression, and others might have more
of that sadness down, tearful, you know, things like that.
And I do want to differentiate between like depression and
baby blues. Baby blues is you know, think of it
as an adjustment your mom first time, or you know,

(01:10:26):
you have an additional you know, person that you're responsible
for in your family, and so you might be experiencing, like,
you know, some transitional issues. You know, you might feel
sad or you know, overly worried, you know, over your child,
or you know, just managing the house might have changed,

(01:10:47):
you know, basically the family system has changed. So baby
blues can you know, show up sometime after usually a
few weeks after childbirth. But what happens is it dissipates.
You know, you know someone who's experiencing like bona fide
depression or anxiety. You know, it can be debilitating to
the part where to the point where it affects their functioning.

(01:11:09):
You know, so they're unable to take a shower or
get up and make food or eat or you know,
they might care for just their child and neglect themselves
things like that. So in terms of the community, there's
still so much stigma about seeking mental health treatments. And

(01:11:31):
so one thing that the community can do is just
to increase awareness about the effects of maternal mental health
and Black women's experiences with adverse pregnancy outcomes. What we
know is that mental health and you know, adverse pregnancy
outcomes like pclamsia and things of that nature, they do

(01:11:55):
increase the mortality rate. And that's for both moms and babies.
And right now, I'm not gonna lie, Indianapolis is not
doing so hot, you know, especially in terms of the
infant mortality rate, and so having conversations openly about some
of these factors, you know, looking out for each other.

(01:12:16):
You know, if you've noticed that mom has been withdrawn
or is overly anxious, or is not sleeping other than
the norm for having you know, like an infant at home,
you know, like have conversations, what's happening, you know what's
going on, Seek mental health treatment, like you know, reach

(01:12:37):
out to me. You can find me at iu H
and you can find me IU health. You know, someone
who can specialize in you know, perinatal pardon care or
a therapist who just specializes in like general is fine,
but you need to you know, seek some help and
you know, not not suffer in silence, because what happens

(01:13:00):
is everyone suffers, not just mom, the whole family.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
So what should a patient say to their doctor or
their caregiver to express how can they express? What should
they say to their caregiver, especially if they don't feel
like they're paying attention.

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
Yes, so one thing that we have to do Black
women is advocate for ourselves, especially in a medical space.
Cultural mistrust. Medical mistrust is a thing, and it does
affect the care that we get. And sometimes we still ignored,
you know, or just overall neglected, you know, not listen to,

(01:13:40):
not heard, and so you know, if you're not feeling right,
you know, like you're noticing that your body is different,
your body's giving you signals, you know, like maybe you're
not eating or you know, something out of the norm
for you. You know, there's nothing wrong with advocating for
yourself in session with the doctor. You know, sometimes even

(01:14:03):
for me, it's helpful to pre plan. So like before
you even head out to go to the doctor, maybe
jot down some notes about things that you've noticed, some
differences in your body, your mood, and things like of
that nature, you know, on your phone or on a
piece of paper that you can pull out when you're
with the doctor. Because sometimes we're in session with the doctor,

(01:14:25):
we feel rushed. The doctor wants to get to the
next patient that come in. They're quick about everything, and
we can't think, like right off the top of our head. Oh,
I knew I wanted to talk to you about something,
but you know we can't remember it. So there's nothing
wrong with preparing or planning, you know, for the session,
so that when you go on in you got your bullets.

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
You know, I do this, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
So yeah, you know, advocating for yourself, you know, asking
the doctors you understand what I'm saying, may feel condescending,
but you want to know if they heard you. There's
nothing wrong with that bringing some notes in, letting the
doctor know you just some changes that I've noticed in
my body or my mood. You know what can I
do about that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
And I know you're kind of rushed for a hurry.
But one other question is when you go to the doctor,
you always see the nurse assistant or somebody else first,
and they ask you, what are you here here to
see the doctor for? So should you tell them what's
going on and then assume that they will talk to

(01:15:26):
the doctor. I think sometimes people don't want to tell
that person. They don't want to repeat it twice. And
I don't know how that works. But what do you
think what's the best way to do that?

Speaker 8 (01:15:37):
Yes, tell all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Okay, you know what, it doesn't always it doesn't always
get trans I mean, it just doesn't always go to
the next person. Because we've all been to those doctor's
appointments where they've asked, okay, what medications are you on?
And you tell you filled out a form before they
ask you, and they tall. So then when the doctor
comes in, well what is you know, sometimes you're thinking,
didn't I just tell her and write it down?

Speaker 18 (01:16:00):
Tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
And so they're like, yeah, okay, so don't be I
guess the the advice is, don't be frustrated by that.
Just just tell you every time. Yeah, I just keep
keep repeating it because if they yeah, it may not
necessarily be going to where it needs to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
And you say, tell them to ask the doctor. Do
you understand what I'm saying. That's not disrespect.

Speaker 10 (01:16:18):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 8 (01:16:19):
No, do you feel me? That's what I say. Do
you feel me?

Speaker 28 (01:16:22):
You hear what you you know?

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
Let them repeat back because one thing I want you
to take it away from you know just chatting with
me today, is when you walk in a clinic, medical therapy, whatever,
we're multitasking, you know what I mean. Yeah, so you
know you have our attention, but there are moments throughout
the session where your attention may be divided because you're

(01:16:44):
typing up a note or you're looking up some medication
or something. And so when we as patients are conveying
to the doctor what's happening, sometimes, because our attention is divided,
we may not capture everything in that moment. So that's
when you start to have like miscommunications or things don't
get carried on, you know, from like other people that
are in the session, like nurses or physician assistance or whatever.

(01:17:07):
So that's why I say there is nothing wrong with
being repetitive, you know what I mean, Like you tell
the nurse when they come in, you tell the doctor.
You know, everyone on the same page, because everyone is
a part of your treatment, all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Right, and so anyone can reach out to this clinic.
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 8 (01:17:27):
Yes, yes, okay, And I remember the phone number. Hold
on one second, it is three one seven nine sixty
three and forgot the rest hold on, I want to second,

(01:17:49):
Well I know my own number.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, And just to confirm three one seven
nine six three seven to three zero zero.

Speaker 8 (01:18:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
That is yes?

Speaker 8 (01:18:05):
Oh, yes, that is correct zero.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Okay, okay, Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
I appreciate your time. If you can stay on, that's great.
But we're gonna talk to some doulas.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Sounds wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 8 (01:18:18):
I'm gonna go ahead and scoot.

Speaker 21 (01:18:19):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Thank you so much for your time. Doctor. We really
appreciate it. Thank you all right, bye bye. So, so
the doulas, the question I have, and especially for doctor
carry here, what you you train doulas? Right, so before
we get to just just real quick, what what's the
primary thing that you do in training a dueling and

(01:18:41):
what's the primary training for a doula?

Speaker 26 (01:18:43):
What's the Yeah, that's a great question because I think
there are lots of folks that don't quite understand the
full spectrum of what a doula can do. And so
I'll just tell you I got into this work not
because I have a history in public health, but because
I needed to doula. I was pregnant in twenty twenty

(01:19:03):
and I couldn't have anyone in the room with.

Speaker 11 (01:19:05):
Me and oh, because of the pandemic.

Speaker 26 (01:19:08):
Yeah, so someone recommended that I hire a doula. And
this was baby number four for me. Oh okay, and
I already had emotional support. I already had folks that
had been around me and supported me through my first
three pregnancies. This doula supported me in a way that
I didn't understand that I needed. Oh, she advocated for

(01:19:28):
me and spoke up for me. I was her client
in that hospital room as opposed to a patient in
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Especially during COVID. My grandson was born during COVID. It
was the same restrictions. Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
So a doula can assist you in the hospital or at.

Speaker 26 (01:19:46):
Home, absolutely absolutely, And it doesn't have to be just
a natural birth unmedicated. I had a C section and
was able to have my doula there with me, and
lots of our doula support support sea sections in all
different births.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So you hired a doula as opposed to having to
choose between one person that can be there with you.

Speaker 26 (01:20:08):
So you're depending on the policy of the hospital, have
as many people as you need. But during COVID, I
had my partner with me and also a doula, and
that was my only option. I could have one person
with me, but a doula because they're certified. They were
a part of the maternal Wellness team, and so the

(01:20:29):
training is they are childbirth experts. They are they understand anatomy,
they understand everything that's happening in your body, but they
also understand the support that you need. This doula was
also a trainer for my husband and got him all
the way together and what he needed to do for
himself and also for me. Because of speaking of mental health,

(01:20:49):
a partner is the first person that's going to recognize when.

Speaker 11 (01:20:52):
Something is off.

Speaker 26 (01:20:54):
What I was thinking when doctor Williams was speaking was, yeah,
but black women don't think about that. Black women don't
know when things are off because it's normal to be off.
It's normal to sacrifice, it's sure to push to push through.

Speaker 8 (01:21:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Yeah, so I'm sorry, go ahead, doctor, I was just
wondering what you know, Like, if you have to train
a doula, what do you train them to? Do you
train them to? So the reason I ask about that
is because there's I've come in contact with two doulas
just in you know, not necessarily here on the show,
but just out in everyday life, and they've both had

(01:21:31):
interesting personalities and personalities have been different, but they've also
been very how can I say, pro proactive, self starting personality.
You know, they're they're like can do people. And I
was just like, is that personality part of you know?
Is that important as well in terms of part of
the training.

Speaker 11 (01:21:49):
Well, I think it is.

Speaker 26 (01:21:51):
So we do business entrepreneurial training as well, because there
are lots of I think devalue, devaluation of the career
of doulas, and so lots of dulas have to be
self employed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Okay, they have to.

Speaker 26 (01:22:05):
Find their own clients, they have to work their own contracts,
they have to do all of those things. And so
I think the career path of adula doesn't necessarily mean
you need to be a self starter. I think it's
more important to be nurturing and want to care for others.
But I think the circumstance of our our our landscape
here requires it that they are self starters, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Can tell one when you see one, right, absolutely, okay, okay,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
All right, well let's see let's start with Abby more Africa.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 23 (01:22:37):
And good afternoon everybody. You will thank you for asking you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
So just jump right in here. What can you tell
us about your training and how long have you been
a doula and what brought you to it and whatever
you want to contribute to this discussion of supporting black women.

Speaker 7 (01:22:54):
Sure, sure so.

Speaker 29 (01:22:57):
Similar to doctor Carrie, I was pregnant during COVID and
I hired a duela, and my duela was supportive until
it was.

Speaker 23 (01:23:07):
Time for me to give birth. What I mean by
that is that I had the dula there and I
was delivering at the hospital. I did deliver at the hospital,
and she was there until she wasn't there. And because
of this experience, I decided that I wanted to support

(01:23:27):
and empower women in the way that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
I wasn't that awful.

Speaker 23 (01:23:32):
Well, I mean, during the circumstance, I probably felt like
that or felt like that, but I also understand the
course in which things had to go in order to
propel me to become an adula and support in my
community because I understand the necessity of a duer. So

(01:23:53):
a dula literally is there to serve. The term doua
itself means to serve, to help, to support. And there
are full section doulas, meaning there are doulas that can
provide birth support, pre natal support, there are death doulas,
there are abortion doulers. We are just there to support,
to educate, to advocate, and to empower those who are speaking.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
At our services.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
How difficult is it to get a doula? And do
insurance companies pay for the services of doulas.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
Not in the state of Indiana.

Speaker 9 (01:24:27):
We don't have any.

Speaker 23 (01:24:30):
Reimbursement as of yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
No insurance coverage, no, not as of yet.

Speaker 23 (01:24:34):
Now there are some hospital networks that work with dolers
within the hospital network, but as of yet, there's no
reimbursement for doulas, so it would be an out of
pocket pay or there may be a community service provider
that provides some scholarships or something or another.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Yeah, you're you're appointing doctor.

Speaker 26 (01:24:53):
Carrey to Yeah, that's what one of the biggest initiatives
of Cradle Indy is we will be providing doula services
to the community.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
At low cost or no cost, no cost, no cost,
and that's important. We find out about this a lot
of times during our discussions, don't wean doctor Hayes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
So how long has Cradle Indy been in existence?

Speaker 26 (01:25:15):
So Cradle has been an initiative that's been trying to
launch since twenty nineteen, but we had our official launch
on July sixteenth of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Started congratulations and this is free absolutely, So how do
you have to meet a certain set of qualifications?

Speaker 26 (01:25:31):
Yes, so when you are some qualifications, I guess. So
we are starting in a small area. Cradle India is
modeled after Cradle Cincinnati, which is an initiative, a collective
impact initiative that started in twenty twelve and brought their
infant mortality rate down by by over fifty percent. It's
better than the national average there now and erased the

(01:25:53):
disparity between.

Speaker 11 (01:25:54):
Black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Oh wow.

Speaker 26 (01:25:56):
And one of the things that it was important was
that each community has different needs and you have to
serve each community the way that they need to be served.
And so we are starting with four six two zero
one two one nine and two one eight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Oh, great, fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Okay, and do we have a phone number for you.

Speaker 11 (01:26:13):
We do not have a phone number, but we have
a website.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Okay, what's your web website?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Www.

Speaker 11 (01:26:18):
Cradle Indie dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
That's easy, Cradle Indie dot org.

Speaker 11 (01:26:22):
Yes, yeah, dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
You know, it's amazing to me how many entities have
websites and fun and no phone. And you know, the
website is sometimes is more important.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
That it is. It has a lot of information, a
lot of info.

Speaker 7 (01:26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
So we also have Jazzmine this Jasmine King. Are you there, Jasmine?

Speaker 29 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Well, welcome and so glad to have you join us.
Can you share with us how long you've been a
doulah and what brought you to this this career.

Speaker 24 (01:26:54):
Yes, so I have if I drew up, so that
means that I had him during COVID, which you know
came with exactly what you all were talking about. I
had him in April, so it was when the road
was shutting down, but the restrictions were there at the
hospital that I gave birthday and I had an option
between his dad and my mom, you know, so I

(01:27:17):
because I wanted the maternal support. I just went with
my mom, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I kind of, you know, I kind of that's same here.
I was shocked, you know, because my daughter had the
choice between you know, his dad and my and me,
and I just I was just prepared to sit and
you know, or to sit at home because it was
COVID I couldn't be in the hospital. And she said,
well you I want you Yeah, yeah, no, I don't.

(01:27:45):
I don't regret it either. Yeah, I don't regret it.
I was just I was just surprised. But anyway, go ahead,
that's you're you're telling a similar story. I'm just I'm
just agreeing because it's it was my experience as well.

Speaker 24 (01:27:58):
Yes, So after that, you know, the world was shut down.
So I had a newborn, didn't know anything, didn't know
what to do with him, and had had to I'm sorry,
google it my fingertips. So I just went in on
research and everything. What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 26 (01:28:19):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 24 (01:28:21):
And I came across a dueler and I had never
heard of the word prior to having my friend. So
I became fascinated with the profession and got my certification. Actually,
I did this one program and didn't get certified, and
then I took an online course and got certified that way. Yes,

(01:28:45):
Ever since then, I've leaned more towards postpartum because I
feel like that is where I needed the most support.
So I feel like I can support best in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
And so when you do postpartum, can you talk some
about what you see and what are you looking for
it for depression or mental health issues.

Speaker 21 (01:29:06):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 24 (01:29:08):
I look forward to see if they have support themselves
to the mother, if the dad is involved, if the
grandmother is you know in the city, sisters, cousins, because
we need that, you know, it's such a vulnerable season
of life. And I also make sure that they are

(01:29:29):
not bleeding, you know, when you are when you have
a baby, there's it's like a whole six weeks long
period you kind of don't expect to last so long,
but there's a certain amount that is alarming and then
but it should like wange. But if it continues to,
you know, stay bright red, that means that there's some issues.

(01:29:55):
So try to make sure I check on that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
As well as just.

Speaker 24 (01:30:00):
Making sure they feel supported and know that there's somebody
on their side that they can check in on, or
that I will check on there.

Speaker 22 (01:30:10):
Desolutely, really neat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
So from start to finish, what's the average amount of
time a woman about to give birth can expect to
spend with a doula from the time the doula first
starts on, you know, in her care, to the time
when you know, well it's time for the doula to
move on? Or is there an average amount of time?

(01:30:33):
I don't know. I don't know how it works. I mean,
when do you first need one and when does one
move on to the next client.

Speaker 24 (01:30:40):
And my experience, it's only it has been when they
reach out, and it depends because some people reach out
when they first find out they're pregnant, not until seven months.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
So doctor Carry was about to and you know what,
pen that right there. I'm just gonna squeeze in a
real quick break and then when we come doctor Carry's
going to answer a little bit more about that as well.
We'll be right back thank you.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
And we're back with Community Connection. Our guest doctor Denise Hayes,
and cast. Doctor Hayes brought a number of folks with
her today. We're talking about maternal health, doulas and a
lot of things. We have some callers on the line
and I promise we'll get to you in just a moment.
One of your guests, doctor Hayes, Doctor Carrey was about
to answer a question about the amount of time, and

(01:37:57):
then something else she wanted to air about adula. And
then we have another guest we want to introduce, and
then we'll get to the phone lines. But anyway, doctor Carrey,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:38:05):
The only thing that I wanted to mention was that
we are in a crisis in this state, in Marion County.
We're dying, and meaning black women are dying. Black babies
are dying at a much higher rate than our counterparts.
And so when we're talking about when is the right time,
the right time is right away. We have an issue

(01:38:27):
with access. We have lots of shortages for OB's and
midwife care. So we need to have we need to
have conversations around how to get access to prenatal.

Speaker 11 (01:38:38):
Care quickly, quickly.

Speaker 26 (01:38:41):
And we know that doulas they are not healthcare professionals, right,
they don't take the place of your care team, but
they are a part of the care team, known to
increase breastfeeding rates, known to reduce the Syrian sections, and
we need to be able to have that level of
care as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Abst absolutely, thank you, doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Hey, so I want to introduce tory Son Davis. Are
you there, Miss Davis?

Speaker 7 (01:39:08):
Hi?

Speaker 21 (01:39:09):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Oh, thanks so much for joining us, and can you
tell us about your journey as a doula.

Speaker 24 (01:39:17):
Yes, so.

Speaker 21 (01:39:19):
Really always wanted to be a midwife, but I didn't
begin the journey as a doula till maybe five years ago.
I was looking up dulahs when I had my daughter
in twenty nineteen, but I went throute to not have one.
I tried to be my own doula and just so

(01:39:40):
many things went wrong doing at birth.

Speaker 33 (01:39:43):
And after I graduated.

Speaker 21 (01:39:44):
From massage school, I wanted to start back focusing. I
want not to start back, but I wanted to start
focusing on mother And so you're at the massage school
is when I actually became a doula and I started
off as a school spectrum dulah. I was trained by
Jasmine White here in Indianapolis Buzzing, and she trains me

(01:40:08):
as a full spectrum doula. She helped me get my
first client. I ended up finding finding a lady that's
pretty pretty much aligned, and I did that for a.

Speaker 33 (01:40:18):
Couple of years.

Speaker 21 (01:40:20):
I decided to just focus on women from fertility to postpartum,
from the aspect of women's wellness. So I'm a women's
nutritionist and a perinatal mood disorder specialist from fertility all
the way to postpartum, and I also support women if
they are if they did experience for loss. I have

(01:40:42):
a nonprofit for women at experience of pregnancy or infant loss,
and within that nonprofit, I still could tell you doula
work with providing free support for women that's having a vback,
which is a vaginal birth after at thirty section, and
for women.

Speaker 33 (01:40:58):
That is having a sea section, because I had a beautiful.

Speaker 21 (01:41:02):
Plan for my birth but ended up going against my
full intuition having them having hurt and letting them induce
me and then it just everything just went south.

Speaker 33 (01:41:13):
So with the nonprofit, I really focused a lot on.

Speaker 21 (01:41:18):
The self confidence in ourselves as well healing any previous
birth promise so that way they can have a successful
reback and they can have an enjoyable pregnancy from if
they did experience a previous to loss. And a lot
of a lot of the emotions from our birth stories,

(01:41:39):
whether it was a loss or traumatic or just it's
even if something small didn't go our way, lingers with
us over time.

Speaker 33 (01:41:46):
And since we're talking about push part and depression.

Speaker 21 (01:41:48):
A lot of women can tie that route back to
their birth story. I know I did, and it took
it took a while before one to actually share the story,
but really I feel like that's what helped bring the
lights to the areas of why postpartum doula is needed,

(01:42:10):
because from my experience, my mom she couldn't She didn't
notice any of the perianal to move disorders. Yeah, and
like I was, you know, my birth was traumatic, so
that was the main factor. I hemorrhaged for twelve weeks,
slowly hemorrhaged.

Speaker 33 (01:42:26):
That was another reason I was. I was suffering mentally
so bad. And then I tried to go completely.

Speaker 21 (01:42:32):
Plant based with no knowledge, so I wasn't getting.

Speaker 33 (01:42:35):
Proper nutrition either. And that's what I really advocate the most.

Speaker 21 (01:42:39):
For women now is having a proper nutrition doing pregnancy
to prevent hemorrhagen that can cause more pianatal disorders during
the postpartum period and especially pending to yourself the first
forty days, so that way you can arrest you need,
so your body can rejuvenate, and you would want to
eat less cold foods and eat more warm foods, hot

(01:43:02):
food so that way your digestive system don't.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Yeah, can heal you know, slow.

Speaker 21 (01:43:08):
Down, right, Yeah, And it's just you know, your gut
is your second brain. So a lot of times we
eat convenient foods after we have a baby, and that's
where our bodies may start to seem like they're turning
on us, but really.

Speaker 33 (01:43:22):
It's just trying to survive.

Speaker 22 (01:43:23):
And we're already in a fear and flight load.

Speaker 21 (01:43:26):
During childbirth, and sometimes women don't find a way out
of it because the postpartum period.

Speaker 33 (01:43:33):
Just becomes so heavy off top.

Speaker 11 (01:43:35):
Yeah, so we have a we have a lack of support.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Yeah, and thank you, thank you for that. I appreciate it.
And we've had some callers that have been online for
a bit and I want them to get their questions
in as well. Three one, seven, four, eight, zero, thirteen ten,
because I still have questions. I know the rest of
you have a lot more to contribute. So we're going
to try to get everybody in here. Sam, go ahead,
how are you good.

Speaker 25 (01:43:55):
Evening, lady?

Speaker 12 (01:43:57):
Everybody good?

Speaker 7 (01:43:59):
Good? Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:44:00):
My question, uh, a male become a duly and you
stole what the qualification?

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Good question? Sam?

Speaker 7 (01:44:09):
Good?

Speaker 22 (01:44:09):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:44:09):
I hang up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Okay.

Speaker 26 (01:44:11):
The answer is absolutely, and actually a man can become
a doula. Absolutely. There's actually an event. I don't have
all the details for the event, but I think you
can probably look it up on the internet called dad's
ta doulas. That's happening on Saturday. But wouldn't that be
Oh it happened last Saturday, I last. But yes, let's

(01:44:31):
tell memore.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Women know women? Uh, and you think you see what
I'm saying. So you have male obstetricians, Yeah, we do,
but they've gone to school to learn about it.

Speaker 11 (01:44:45):
And doulas need to be trained to be trained.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
But instinctively, I think the key to a doula is
a lot of times the instinctive nature.

Speaker 10 (01:44:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
But okay, you can't train in male nurses. They're male nurses.
I know, I know, I just I just okay, go ahead,
go ahead.

Speaker 26 (01:45:01):
And I think we have boxes that we put certain
careers we do, we probably do. But if a man
wants to become a doula, there must be a reason why.
And there are all different kinds of specialties. And one
of the things that I really love about about this
is that the expansive nature of what a doula can
mean is really it.

Speaker 11 (01:45:22):
Never ceases to amaze. Mean, okay, And so what does it.

Speaker 26 (01:45:24):
Look like for dads to support other fathers or a
doulas to support fathers?

Speaker 11 (01:45:29):
Is another thing that you know that we haven't explored
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yeah, and you made an excellent point about if a
man wants to become a doula, there must be a reason.
Then there's probably a sensitivity already there for the fact
that that he wants to become a doula. So as
doula's what is there? Like you Monday through Friday nine
to five? I mean, how how is your time schedule?
How does that work out?

Speaker 26 (01:45:52):
That's one of the reasons I can't be a doula
because when a mom goes into labor, you never know
how long that's going to be. There's no time life. Meant,
I have someone who works with me who over the
weekend was in the hospital for forty hours.

Speaker 11 (01:46:05):
He showed up to work on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Oh wow, it's not a good part time gig.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
No. No, So so do you do you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
I mean do you start out how? I guess what's
the schedule? What's the schedule?

Speaker 31 (01:46:16):
Like it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Does it depend on the woman? And how often are
you are they in contact with each other? Duelers?

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
How often?

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
How does that work for you?

Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
All?

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
So I'll bey how does that work for you?

Speaker 9 (01:46:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Okay?

Speaker 23 (01:46:27):
So yeah, Typically when you create a relationship with a
family in need of do the support. You have a
contract that you okay, and in that contract it has
discussed the amount of accessibility hours.

Speaker 8 (01:46:39):
That you have.

Speaker 23 (01:46:41):
Over the course of the support, what kind of support
is needed, what is expected. Those terms and conditions are
typically mutually decided upon within the contract. Most recently, I
had a mom that wanted just birth support exclusively. I
did provide by some birth education prior to birth, but

(01:47:03):
she just wanted exclusively a birth doula. Her birth ended
up being about sixteen hours from the starter labor into delivery,
and that's how much time I committed. It can be
a struggle for some doulas, especially when your parents like myself,
and so you kind of have to either lean on
your doulah sister or a doulah partnership, or decide to

(01:47:25):
pass it alone as someone who is available, just like
you would. You know, within a hospital network, there are
when you go into the hospital, you don't just see
a single doctor. There are a scheme of doctorsc that
could potentially be there to support you during your birth
right So it's the same concept.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
So I'm just fascinated by what doctor carry said. Doctor
Hayes that the use of doulas in Cincinnati took down
their infant mortality rate. Indianapolis has long I mean maybe
for the last twenty or thirty years, Lingered new the
bottom in terms of infant mortality, maternal mortality.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
All of those women are disproportionate impacted. Are there other
colors that just want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
But something as simple as not not simple, but a
concept is simple And something you said, you both said too,
this is not new that this has been historically.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to get at, so Jasmine
when we were during the commercial break, we were kind
of talking about how this is historically part of the
black community. Can you speak to that is jasmind there
if I'm here here, so you know this is this

(01:48:44):
is not really new. This, this role is not new
to the black community. You know it's not.

Speaker 24 (01:48:52):
But we are more separated now than we I think
has been in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Good point.

Speaker 24 (01:48:57):
So Grandma may have lived guy, you know, I think
I think that's the biggest reason why do is are
a little bit more so you hear the words more
at least because people are seking out help, which is
a beautiful thing, because they know that they don't have
their and or they know that, like their mom is
kind of old school.

Speaker 14 (01:49:18):
So.

Speaker 24 (01:49:20):
They prefer updated information as far as they want to
do it their I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
I was thinking that, you know, midwives, that's not a
new term. Doula might be a more uh what midwife?

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
No, what does the word doula mean? It sounds Hispanics.

Speaker 11 (01:49:40):
They mentioned it was a woman who serves, a woman
who serves.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Okay, I like that a woman who serves doulak And just.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Seems like that having the non traditional medical provider would
be more common in our tradition because there certainly were
periods where we didn't didn't have to medical care, or
we didn't trust medical care. And so I guess really
what I'm trying to get at is opening the minds

(01:50:09):
of members of the black community that this is a
viable option and that you want somebody that's trained and
that you feel comfortable with. But this certainly is something
that could really help the mother and the baby to
be healthy. Is that right, Doctor Carey, would you agree.

Speaker 26 (01:50:29):
With that one hundred percent? Just all of the things
that I do lookn help with, I can't. I can't
emphasize it enough, even just talking about mental health. The
going back to your comment you around what worked in Cincinnati.
What they found what really helped lower preterm birth and

(01:50:50):
low birth weight wasn't all of the things that we
might think.

Speaker 11 (01:50:53):
It was reducing social isolation.

Speaker 26 (01:50:56):
So when we talk about maternal health, we're talking about
mental health that are alone. Moms that don't have support,
Moms that are going at it without their community are
faring worse.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
And so when we a holistic approach, absolutely that's what's
so key.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, boy are we well well that's another
whole whole other show. Is a birth rate in America,
including African Americans. Are we delivering more? We're delivering less?
Having more babies fure it doesn't matter because when we
have a child, that child deserves, uh, you know, all
every advantage as any other child. So that's that's what

(01:51:35):
we have to you know, and a doula helps ensure that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
Yeah, Teras, do you have anything you'd like to add
to this because you you're coming from a very holistic perspective. Yes, uh,
add more in general or just what we would just
ya were just covering, just just what we were covering,

(01:51:59):
or anything else I want to add to it. I mean,
you're talking about nutrition as well as the postpartum depression.
You know, it's not just the medical part.

Speaker 21 (01:52:11):
Okay, Well, just going back to the nutrition, because I know,
I know, I was saying a lot of people they
choose to eat more, or they only have the options
not choose to eat more, but they only have the
options of convenient food, and a lot of times they
are only told, you know, the specially their breastfeeding is

(01:52:31):
still stay away from smoke, alcohol, yes, and you know
the comments maybe daily need. Some doctors might still say
for parter moms, but they don't ever speak on how
cold food so the body down, soda, digestic system down,
especially if.

Speaker 33 (01:52:47):
You have a sea section.

Speaker 21 (01:52:50):
And I wanted I started focusing more on the sea
sections a little bit, like.

Speaker 33 (01:52:54):
I said, because I had a sea section with my daughter.

Speaker 21 (01:52:58):
I had an entire water burst, plants out, and so
when it turned out to a sea section, it was
literally at the point I have I was, I was
in and out of conscioquence in my blood pressure and
everything was just.

Speaker 33 (01:53:12):
Dropping down slow.

Speaker 21 (01:53:14):
And they had waited like twice already to respect my
wishes or waiting for a seat section. But then when
they came back. I can still say it could have
been better informed consent, but to set it up then
you know, they just came in.

Speaker 33 (01:53:28):
It was like we have to do the sea section.
But so I had the depression part came in.

Speaker 21 (01:53:33):
From my birth store because I had to mourn first
of all, the desired birth expriends that I planned my
entire pregnancy. Yeah, and at first, you know, tony people
made me feel like I was wrong for that.

Speaker 33 (01:53:45):
You know, they're like, well, you should be grateful y'all
are alive.

Speaker 21 (01:53:48):
Or you should be grateful that nothing bad, you know,
nothing went worse and all of that, and so it
was like gas lighting. So it caused me to gas
like myself, which just led to more and zi more
post part and depression. And now I focused a lot
on sharing your birth story so you can get out

(01:54:09):
for feelings that might still be rooted in what you're
going through right now. Or you know, you might have
a severe case of postpartum anxiety, and it could because
be because a doctor oversteps doing your birth experience. If
you don't know that unless you go back to reflect
on it. And a lot of times that I was saying,
are our women that's going through the post part of depression.

(01:54:30):
A lot of times it's due to be an unheard
poor nutrition, or just traumatic event.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
You know, I apologize. We've got less than a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
She just has a nonprofit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
I was just going to ask her, okay, yeah, In fact,
I was going to ask if everybody can give their
their contact information? Oh yeah, please? By all mean I
want to make sure everybody gets it them because it's
it's we've got less than a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
So yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:54:58):
Ahead, pay one email given both So divine solos, D
I V I N E s O U l A
s dot com at gmail dot com.

Speaker 7 (01:55:11):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Got it? Okay? And jasmine your contacting for yes, slam
it is nap Town, Doula n A P t oh
do again doulah at gmail dot com. D o u
l A now d u l a because I've seen
you know people d doula is spelled d o u

(01:55:33):
l a. Yeah another way, okay, Okay, naptown doula at
what at at gmail dot com? Correct? Okay? And uh
I B yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Yes.

Speaker 23 (01:55:48):
Tuesday gift so that's Truesday is in the day after
Monday and gift that's in the austern for President zero
one at.

Speaker 22 (01:55:55):
Gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Okay, thank you, fight, but thank you all so much.
Doctor go ahead, and you've got free services as well.

Speaker 18 (01:56:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:56:04):
Another option is for people to follow us or dm
us on Instagram, So find Cradle Indy on Instagram.

Speaker 11 (01:56:10):
We are providing not just free.

Speaker 26 (01:56:12):
DULA services, but a whole other host of services and
helping folks navigate what it means to be pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Yeah, and it's so important to get those numbers down
and to let our moms and our babies, our black
moms and our black babies have as healthy an experience
as possible. We don't want any more dying. So the
doula is spelled d ou la. And finally, doctor Hayes
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
Well, thank you, and I just want to remind us
that we are an endangered species and I know where
my voice belongs. So we're going to end with that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Alrighty, alrighty. We'll be back tomorrow with more. That's all
the time we have for right now. Again, I want
to thank our amazing panel that's been with us for
the last hour. Thank you for joining us, our website,
Praiseindi dot com. Willimore Junior on the radio is up next.
Please continue to be safety well and please please please
stay informed. That's what we're here for to help you
stay informed. For everyone here, I'm Tina Cosby and this

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