September 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Who was he? His style, an influence with young college students, young Americans and why was he so effective?
His killer...and the radicalization of those on the "left" who disagree. Other examples in the world ....where folks are looking for a return to normal life. And we as followers of the Lord....how can help those who have strayed and are bent towards violence!
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine to three WBT. Welcome to the show.
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program that tries to intersect faith and value with
different issues that are going on locally and globally. Thank
you so much folks for listening on a weekly basis,
and thank you to Perry's Fine Jewelry for your sponsorship
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of the show. Without you, I could not do this
on a weekly basis. Now over twenty five years, hardly
seems possible. But it's been a blast doing this show
on a weekly basis. I have my friend Ed Billick,
the producer of the show, with his mike open as
well as we're going to talk more about Charlie Kirk
and some other issues in our culture. Ed, good morning,
Thank you for being with Good Morning.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:41):
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voice that he had a friend for many years. And
I'm just so thankful that his daughter and others are
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a week. I thought it would be appropriate for you
and me just to talk some more about Charlie Kirk,
to talk about the Jimmy Kimmel fiasco, to talk about
what we think is going on in our country. Some
of the negative reaction to Charlie Kirk's death and some
of the language that's being thrown about it really is
unbelievable to me that people can't just at least pause
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even for a moment and grieve with a young widow
with two small children who watched her husband be assassinated.
I think for his political views. I think for his
political views that were informed by his biblical convictions, and
I think that had something to do at least with
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the assassination. I'm going to answer the question a little
later on into the show. Was Charlie Kirk a martyr?
There are those who think he was in the tradition
of martyrs through the ages because of their faith. And
I want all of us simply to reflect upon what
it would be like to be a young woman now
raising two children alone with the love of her life
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suddenly taken away from her, and all of the grief
that Erica must be experiencing today. I think that's something
we need to reflect on, something that would be essential
for us to understand and be able to have some empathy.
Going to Jimmy Kimmel, he was fired, I think, and
you helped me out here because you did more reading
about it this past week than I did, just because
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of his irascibly insensitive comments about Charlie kreik Kirk's assassination
and his own views that it was almost deserved, you know,
emphasizing his own anti Maga, anti Trump positions. Talk about
that for a second.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know, it's interesting here you have a noted TV
personality in late night talk shows and he has the boldenness.
And then you go back to Tyler whatever his name is,
the Kyla Robinson in the Wall Street journalists that clearly
outlines his message what he said. He is not backing
down from her. He admits to do it. That bolden
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hatred that is just now so visible. He's not running
and hiding and saying someone else. He omits to doing it.
And I just cannot understand how that evil is in
the hearts of so many people.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well not only in him, but others who are celebrating
Charlie Kirk's assassination, which again just does not make any
sense to me. You may differ from Charlie Kirk's views,
but for the sake of humanity, for the sake of empathy,
and for the sake of feeling what other people may feel,
just pause at least for a little while and let
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Erica Kirk and others who love Charlie Kirk grieve. And
I would hope that I would have that same position
if someone on the left who is notable and a
leader of the left might be assassinated, I would grieve
over the loss of life. And that's what concerns me
so much. Is this a part of the the American
culture of death that we have emphasized with the slaughter
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of I think seventy three million little ones in the
womb over the last numbers of decades, and the fact
that we're transitioning people without questioning anything about what that
means for life. How and I'm going to address this
later on in our show too. The fertility rate and
the number of children needed to replace those who are
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dying in America. It's precipitous. It's falling off the cliff,
and no one seems to be concerned about that. Can
we not just pause and celebrate the beauty of life?
And life has been snuffed out? And I don't care
what your political beliefs are. We should grieve with those
who are grieving, mourn with those who are mourning. That's
a biblical verse from Jesus. We should have the greatest
empathy in our hearts toward anyone who loses their life mercilessly,
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like Charlie Kirk did.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I cannot understand how folks who work for corporations, law firms,
hospitals that are so boldened to then comment on their
own personal opinion, which just flies in the face of
what that organization believes, where they're so indoctrinated that they
have no self awareness of what they're really saying. They
get terminated, well they let go.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I've had people actually on the left contact me this
week and say, well, wait a minute, there's freedom of
speech out there. Those on the left have the right
to speak freely and ed. We're going to talk about
that in the next segment. I want us to address
that because I think there is an answer there that
is rooted in free speech, that has another part of freedom,
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that's a part of it that will address when we
look at this issue in greater depth. On the other
side of the break. The bottom line is Tyler Robinson
is the assassin. He has been identified raising a conservative
Republican home, had a scholarship I think to Utah State University,
dropped out after a semester or so, then became really radicalized,
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it appears, and actually went to electrical school still in
that and saw that Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah
Valley University.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And what we're going to try to answer is how
does that happen?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
How does it happen that he became so angry, so
hateful towards Charlie Kirk that he determined in his heart
when he heard he was coming to Utah Valley that
he wanted to take his life away, came up with
a plan and a strategy to do so. One question,
was there anybody else involved in this? We don't know.
Pray that the FBI will be able to determine if
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there were others involved as well, and that we can
see what really happened there. But what happened? How was
he so radicalized? These are the kinds of questions we
will ask today on the David Chadwick Show. We will
be right back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ears.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
God, Come in, God, I know you're there here in
our prayers. Wherever you are, we need and now to
send your love down take away the pain. In your
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holy name. We asked this and now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We need you. We need you love to hear.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
The world you made and save it now.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And no dog is down with young Amazon.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Grace erth to God.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Our prayers go out today to Erica Kirk, to those
in our nation that are suffering from loss, and we
remember also Renda Zurutzka in our own city who had
her life mercilessly taken. We pray for hope for those
folks as well. Howevery one, I'm David Chadwick and this
is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three. Wbt I
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recently did a study of the character Cain in the
Bible in Genesis four, and many of you know that
Cain offered an offering from the field to God, whom
God did not accept. And then Abel, his brother, made
an offering from his herd where there was a blood sacrifice,
and God accepted that. And that has to do with
the whole biblical understanding of Hebrews nine twenty two that
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without the shedding of blood, there is the no remission
of sin, and so there needs to be blood shed
for the remission of sin. And for those of us
who are Christians, we know that Jesus shed blood on
the cross is what forgave us of our sins. And
animal sacrifice system began with Adam and Eve in their
sin being covered with loin claus. There had to be
some shed blood there for those loin claus to cover
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their shame and their guilt. And then Abel's offering had
blood to do with it, Cain's did not. One was
by works, one was by grace, and God received the
one by grace. But when God judged Cain, God said
to Cain, the blood of Abel cries out from the
ground for justice. The blood of Abel cries out from
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the ground from justice, and the truth is, dear friends,
all people who have lost their lives unjustly, like Irena
Zurutzka here in Charlotte the trolleycar situation where she stabbed
mercilessly by a man who was on the streets with
fourteen felons already against him. Why was he on the streets.
It's just unbelievable to think about. But her family is grieving,
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and we cry out with the family for justice, and
we do so with Erica Kirk as well, with her
two children. Charlie Kirk's blood cries out from the ground
for justice, as do many others through the centuries who
have given their lives for different causes, and justice needs
to be done now. It may not happen on this
side of eternity totally, but we do know our God
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is a god of justice, and it will happen one
day totally and completely before the throne of God himself.
But that doesn't mean we don't seek for it. Right now,
many people are grieving over Charlie Kirk's loss, and I
don't know where all of you are in your particular
political persuasion My guess is most of you lean to
the writer. You wouldn't be listening on this station to
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my show today. But the truth is Charlie Kirk was
a force of nature. He at eighteen years old, was
declined from West Point and therefore he said, I'm not
going to school. I'm going to start a movement. At eighteen,
he began Turning Point USA, started forming it in middle schools,
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high schools, and colleges across the country, and thousands of
people over the years began to be attracted to his
unique style of open debate on college campuses on different issues.
He attacked those issues through the lenses of faith and
values from a biblical perspective. His understanding of faith and
Jesus informed his political perspectives. And I've never seen anybody
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be able to debate college kids like he debated them
on campus. And he grew in popularity to such a way.
Some people think he was the reason President Trump was elected,
that he was so able to influence, especially young men,
to a more conservative perspective and the need to vote,
that he actually got President Trump into office. And many
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people believe that President Trump has said he believes that
Charlie Kirk again was a force of nature. And did
he give his life because of his faith? Was he
a martyr? Let me answer that question right now. Well,
his political perspectives were informed by his biblical convictions. And
as I look at the seed bed of the church
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and how the church is advanced through the years, it
was Tertullian, the second century church father, who said the
blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.
So people who give their lives for Jesus have been
what is necessary for the expansion of the church. So
did Charlie Kirk die as a martyr? Well, the word
martus in the Greek from which the word martyr comes
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means witness. He was a witness to his faith that
informed his political perspective. And I think the murderer Tyler
Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, yeah, because of his political convictions,
because his faith to informed his political conviction. So I
would argue that Charlie Kirk is a martyr, that he
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gave his life for his faith because his faith informed
his politics, which caused the anger against him. And I
believe he is in the lineage of the martyrs through
the decades, through the centuries who've given their lives, and
they have indeed allowed the church to proliferate, to grow
because they've been willing to give their faith for the
Lord they followed so much. That's my personal conviction, it's
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what I believe, and I think this as well. Folks.
Do you remember the Star Wars movies where Obi Wan
Kenoby Darth Vader's getting ready to kill him, and Obi
Wan Kenoby said, go ahead and kill me, but if
I die, dozens of others will come up and take
my place. And I think that's what's going to happen
with Charlie Kirk's death, if indeed it was a kind
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of martyrdom. Kill him, you're going to have dozens and
hundreds and thousands who will rise up to take his place,
as evidence by the fact that Turning Point USA has
had over thirty eight thousand, thirty eight thousand different requests
on middle school, high school, and college campuses to form
Turning Point ideas. So, kill Charlie Kirk, You're going to
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have a movement of people who take his place. And
I think the movement's only going to expand, And your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I heard him back to your earlier point. I heard
two right, wing strong right wing broadcasters this week say
what was the difference between them and what he did
and his ability, his ability to articulate and use the
human English language. You could have a debate with him.
You're far left, okay, you're far progressive, but at the
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end of the discussion, you felt good that you had
that conversation, as opposed to a lot of these people
that do this. They caused even more hatred on the
other side. But he made these young men and women
feel good that they were able to engage. He may
not have changed their mind, but at least he opened
their eyes and I hear. That is the difference, and
that is the power he had, and they did not
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like that power, and.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They didn't like his influence upon our nation. You know
ed you love history. As go back to the Lincoln
Douglas debates, for example, when Abraham Lincoln was running for
presidentaint Stephen Douglas and they would argue debate in the
open forum before hundreds of people, oftentimes for hours, and
they would exchange ideas. The whole democratic system in America
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is rooted in the idea of the free marketplace of
ideas and people coming together to argue those ideas and
then the listener decides which they think is the better
answer to the problem, and they make their vote accordingly. Well,
that's what Charlie Kirk did. He in the History of
our Republic, went before different people argued ideas, and then
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at the end of the day said, you people out
there who have heard this debate, decide who won, and
vote accordingly. And he did it so well with such
amazing a plum that people voted Republican, voted right for
the first time, in greater numbers than ever before. So
I think we need to stop and say we need
to reclaim that was the initial foundation of the American politic,
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that people would debate openly their ideas and the better
debater would win. And I think that's what Charliekirk brought
to So we've.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Created too many echo chambers where we listen only stuff
that we believe, okay, And growing up in high school, college,
you had those kind of debates and classrooms.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Okay, you didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
This echo chamber thing. So then we're going to talk
a little bit later, how did this guy get so
radicalized because you keep listening to those kind of people.
It's the gaming industry and the ability to kill in
these video games. I mean, there's a lot. How did
this really happen? Yeah, how did this really happen? And
I got some quotes from his mom and all that
just say it just amazes us how that radicalization can occur.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, we'll look at that on the other side of
this next break, because I think that's a great discussion
to have. You know, the Bible teaches very clearly do
not respond to evil with evil, but respond to evil
with good. Jesus said that in six Paul re states
it in Romans chapter twelve. It is a clear teaching
of the scripture that if you respond to evil with evil,
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it only exacerbates, it only grows larger, and eventually the
final aspect of evil will be death. And that's what
we're living in right now, is in a culture of death.
But if you respond to evil with good, which is
what I think Charlie Kirk did. He debated, but he
respected the person whom he was debating, you will then
have an open dialogue that will allow good to prosper
and life to continue. So I think that's part of
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what's going on in this culture. How did Tyler Robinson
become so radicalized, and how in the world can we
as a culture continue to promote a faith that respects
the other person but disagrees with their ideas. I think
that is the key perspective we need to have in
the question we need to ask. I'm David Chadwick, will
be right back.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Listen, Yes, soul, oh my soul. Worship his whomely name.
Same befoll so worship your holy name.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
My prayer is for all people everywhere to get in
touch with their love for the Lord and be able
to worship him. Put aside maybe our differences and our
own particular Christian persuasion, and come together in love. I
think that's what Jesus would want for he said in
John thirteen thirty four. By this the world that will
know that you are mine, by the way that you
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love one another, that you love one another. And Ed Billick,
my producer, has his microphone open as we are discussing
the Charlie Kirk assassination in greater depth. And by the way,
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thank you for joining me on this. Since Charlie Kirk's death,
we have had a number of people online to the
left who are celebrating his assassination, celebrating his death, and
I know you and I both believe that that's inappropriate,
it's not right. But what's been interesting to me as
well is I've even had some friends on the left
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say to me, wait a minute, they shouldn't lose their
jobs because of their particular leftist persuasion. They should be
able to say that without worrying about being fired. The
truth is, many different people in many different professions have
been let go because their particular group has decided, no,
you don't reflect our values, we are letting you go.
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And there's been, of course, a free speech objection from
the left. You shouldn't do that. We should have the
right to be able to say whatever we want to say.
And first of all, your response to that particular perspective.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You know, this is a very kind of human or
the company I work for back in the day, I
spent my career with him. Let's say you're wearing Texas, Okay,
and somebody wanted to wear a Dallas cowboy hat out online. No,
you had to wear the company's hat. You could put
cowboy hats on a Carolina Panther hats because that's not
the company was the company? Okay, And when you work
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for a company, you represent that company. They pay you
to represent them. Yeah, they hire your skills and all.
But you're kind of religious opinions and all, and you
could maybe talk with folks and help them, But to
do that publicly on social media, that is that's a
reflection on the company.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So I think that's contrary to the company that would
not allow you to wear or speak because the company
as a brand.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I heard there was a doctor that got terminated from
a hospital and someone said, yeah, why would I want
to go to that doctor when he promotes death and
he's taking care of me. That's kind of an extreme right.
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I do know what you're saying. And here's how
I would respond to it and how I have responded
to it. Yes, we have freedom of speech in America.
It is a very important American freedom. But we also
have the freedom of association that we can freely choose
with whom we want to associate and if there are
businesses out there that have a particular brand and say
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this is what we believe, they have the freedom to say.
If you're an employee, you are an employee of our company,
you represent us. I don't want to be associated with
you because your words hurt our brand in the eyes
of the world. To me, it's just a simple idea,
and therefore people should be respectful in their speech and
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not say anything that would hurt their company's particular perspective.
Causing all of us to pause for a second and say,
could we not at least allow Erica Kirk and her
two children and others to grieve over what is a
hideous assassination in American life. We haven't had anything like
this ed since Martin Luther King back in the nineteen sixties,
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where someone was assassinated, Bobby Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, someone
was assassinated. There have been attempts on Reagan, on Trump,
but not successful. This is the first real assassination attempt
that's been successful upon a political personality who's bigger than life,
and it causes grief in the hearts of people. Can
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we not as a people sharing a common humanity, stop
and say I want to allow them to grieve, them
to hurt over their particular situation.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And this one is basically on total words alone, exactly
just words.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And we have social media today like we've never had before,
where you can post your words out there and they
are out there for a long.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Period of us you're hiding behind your microphone.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But when they are exposed and they do know who
they are, then the company has a right to have
the freedom of association and say no, we don't want
that particular wording, that verbiage to reflect who we are
as a company. Let's go to another perspective. What caused
Tyler Robinson to have this kind of radicalization? What caused
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him being raised in a conservative Republican type home, in
a Mormon church environment which has values that are a
part of its particular faith perspective? What caused him to
be radicalized? And I know one of the things that's
been said is he would really endo gaming, which is
an online video experience where you can kill thousands of
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people in the touch of a knob and it's not
even thought about. Death. Seems to be a lot of
the gaming industry can you talk some more about that, please?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And there's this group that he was part of and
it skips my mind right now where they feed on
each other. And you know, it was interesting in the
Wall Street Journal this week did a little did a
little editorial in all of his comments that came out
of his when he was arrested and wrote the things
he wrote the text messages. It says, all this suggests
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a political motivation rooted in gradual David, gradual radicalization. This
makes the murder of all more chilling because the evidence
doesn't suggest some psychological break, that something just happened. This
was going on and on and in these textas are
rational the most part, but so deeply misguided. And his
mom and his dad said, where did this come from?
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They said, yeah, in the last year and a half,
all of a sudden it became radicalized.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
David.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
How does that happen to that kind of family life
he grew up in?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
How does that happen to a young eighteen nineteen twenty
year old. Well, he wasn't living at home. We know
that he had started living with a guy transgendering to
a woman. They had some kind of a romantic relationship
we can see that in the text they exchanged before
it was known that he was the assassin. In the text,
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there are words like love being used between both of them,
so we know that was going on. I just believe
in what F. B. Meyer, who was a famous theologian
of a couple of centuries ago, he made this quote
that I've always remembered. No person suddenly becomes base, and
by that he's saying, no person just goes from A
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to Z. I'm good and now I'm bad. There's usually
a gradual step down the slippery slope of moral relativism,
one step after another after another. Then over time your
heart changes from being this person to another. Parton.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You've been a counselor all your career as well as
a pastor. Have you run across this a little bit?
Or have you seen any of this?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I have, and I've seen children who rebel against their parents' values.
But again, it's not necessarily immediate. It's usually being placed
in an environment where a professor or other people in
that environment try to deconstruct the faith of the person
who comes into that environment. So, for example, Tyler Robinson
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could be associating with a lot of people who are
on the left in the gaming industry. He has friends
who are on the left, and they slowly but surely
offer him ideas that challenge his own faith, perspective, his
own parental upbringing, and slowly but surely, over time he
goes from A to Z and becomes a totally different person. Again,
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that doesn't happen immediately, It doesn't happen over weeks. It
usually happens over a long period of time. But then
you have finally that point where he has adopted this
new view of life and that his purpose in life
is not just to object to somebody's views, but to
silence somebody's views. You have the person who believes it's
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not just trying to object to the message, their job
is to kill the messenger. And that's not what I
think happened with Tyler Robinson. His parents were absolutely befuddled
with how he became this person. They didn't know how
it happened. But I think it happens over time when
you continue to expose yourself to radical ideas that are
contrary to what you've been raised with.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Do you honestly think that in facing the death penalty
and what's his future look like? With a life in
prison that he finally becomes remorseful and he goes, oh
my gosh, what did I do here?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, we can pray so for none of us who
loves evil so deep we don't know. Well, I don't
think anything's beyond the grace of God. I think the
most powerful force in the world is the grace of
Jesus Christ, who forgives us of our sins. Might he
come to that understanding at some point soon? I would
praise us, for I don't want anybody to spend their
eternity in hell. And he actually did the taking of
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human life, which Genus is nine I think teaches if
you take a life that's created in the image of God,
you lose your life that's created in the image of God.
Utah is one of the few states that has the
death penalty. It has death by firing squad. Interestingly, and
we know that is a serious but also fatal way
to die. But on the other hand, we do know
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that God is able to redeem all of creation. He's
able to take people in their most dire straits and
renew them. That doesn't mean he doesn't spend the rest
of his life in prison. If that's the case for
we can be forgiven still have to face the penalty
of our sins. And I do pray for his forgiveness
of his soul that he will spend eternity with Jesus.
But if that doesn't happen, he will face the consequences
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of his life that is separated from the WLD.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We'll come back from break, friends, relatives that may be
thinking along those same lines that you have connections to.
We want your advice.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Thank you. I'll give what I can give, and I'll
try to help as I can help. And one other
teas I want to address real quickly what happened in
Britain last Sunday with this amazing number of people who
flooded the streets and objection to Britain's immigration policies and
everything else that's going on in that nation and Western Europe.
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Right now, I'm David Chadwick. This is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. We will be right back.
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Christ In me arise and I show.
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Rise a great word for all of us. Our hope
is really in the Lord Jesus and not in our
own hearts, which can so often be changed from love
to hate. Harvey One. I'm David Chadwick and this is
News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back
to this show, and Ed, before we finalize our discussion
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on how the human heart can go from such love
to hatred, being raised in a good home and becoming
a murderer and an assassin, I would like to mention
this one thing. NBC recently came out with a pole
that I think is absolutely fascinating. We can probably do
some other discussion on this in the programs to come,
but they ask gen Z that's basically kids between the
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ages of eighteen and twenty nine, men and women, what
is the top priority in your life? And they gave
a list of different options there fascinatingly for the boys.
For the men, they have come to believe that their
number one priority and desire in life is to be
married and have a family. And I think that's wonderful
because that's what I chose to do. And I think
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every poll shows that greatest happiness comes when you find
that person, you marry them and have a family with them,
you learn human responsibility in all of that. And I
think Charlie Kirk influenced that younger generation greatly to that idea.
For his three f's were faith, freedom, and family. That's
what he emphasized when he went and debated on the
college campus's Faith, Family, and freedom, and a lot of
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young men started saying, you know, I want to find
that right person, I want to marry, I want to
have a family, which I think is again wonderful. But
among the women in that jen Z age group, the
question that NBC asked was what's your highest priority in life?
Their response was career and that allows them then to
travel with their friends all throughout the world. And the
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last thing that they listed in importance, and I don't
know if feminism has caused this particular perspective, was marriage
and the family. I just find that disconnect really interesting.
Especially and this is another show for another time. The
replacement numbers for children is causing a crisis throughout the
world that nobody's talking about. If we don't address it,
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and we don't have children to replace the number of
people who are growing older and older and older we're
going to collapse as a society, not only in America,
which has said, well, we'll let the immigrants replace the
numbers of children who aren't being born in an abortion
of course as a part of that whole problem as well.
But now the immigration policy is not as welcoming in
those numbers as I think it should be. And we
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are experiencing not only here but in China, in India,
in Japan, which sells more diapers for older people than
for babies, in Indonesia, in Italy, in other places. This
is a huge problem that again needs to be discussed.
But I think it has to do some with Charlie
Kirk's popularity, especially with young men who finally decide, you know, family,
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faith and values. That's really important, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
With a lack of time we have here in the
last segment, what happened in London last weekend? I saw
some of the video.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, Well, a guy by the name of Tommy Robinson,
who is not related to Tyler Robinson, the assassin of
Charlie Kirk, but he had been imprisoned for his free
speech ideas, had been kind of a fire brand, if
you will, and he was imprisoned for I think seven
months or so oftentimes in solitariy confinement. He's been released
and he now coagulated a lot of Brits who feel
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like with the immigration of Muslims, et cetera, that their
whole culture is being lost, their British understanding of who
they are and their heritage is being lost. And so
Tommy Robinson motivated the people to go to the streets
last Sunday and object and start stating to the government
no more. And there have been some publications indeed, like
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The Guardian, which is a leftist publication, that has said
that Charlie Kirk's death has ignited a conservative movement worldwide
where people are now finally saying enough is enough, and
we're flooding the streets in objection to these particular governments
that are totally changing who we are, especially by immigration
policies inviting Muslims into their country. People who are in
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the mainstream media said that there were probably one hundred
thousand people in the streets objecting in Britain. Well, Tommy
Robinson was pretty smart. He hired drone and helicopters to
go up and take pictures of all of London and
other cities, and in London alone, it's estimated there were
three million Brits in the streets with British flags, chanting
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British slogans for return our land to us. Where's it
all going to go? I don't know, but it's also
happening in France. The presidents of Poland and Hungarya have
come out and said, we are decidedly Christian, Roman Catholic,
and our culture we are denying immigration because we want
to keep our culture the way it is. I can't
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help but think that there is a conservative fomenting people
around the world who are now courageous enough to go
to the streets and say enough is enough. It'll be
fascinating to watch where this goes in the weeks and
months to come.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Got to tease for us next, who's our guests next
to the week? Mark Harrison's Okay? Now, markt is an
elected official. He is to represent the people in his district.
That's what created America. These politicians need to represent the people,
and in some countries that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, And they're fed up and they're tired, and they're
going into the streets to object. Again, you might see
kind of what happened in Nepal where gen Z people
flooded into the streets and completely overthrew the parliamentarian government,
and they're having a new election to lack people they
think are more fair to have the judicial system that
works in their land. And I think that kind of
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thing is going to happen more and more worldwide. In Britain,
in France, in Germany other places as well. You're seeing
a conservative uprising. Where will it go, I don't know,
but it'll be absolutely fascinating as a political walk, as
a person of deep faith to see what's going on
throughout the world, because what's happening there, I think's happening
here as well, and that was the reason for Charlie
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Kirk's popularity.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
David Kocha. So, if we have friends relatives that are
so far away from our values of Christian life, conservative principles,
how can we become a Charlie Kirk to them?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
All I know it is to say, speak the truth,
know the truth. When you say these are my convictions,
I would encourage you to have a biblical reference that
supports that position, because then at that point it's not
about you, it's about your biblical faith. That says, no,
this is what my Bible informs me to believe. And
then when you speak to them, make sure you understand
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it's not just what you say, it's how you say it.
So make sure you speak the truth in love, as
Paul told us in Ephesian chapter five, verse twenty five.
And as you speak the truth in love, you will
then have earned the right to say what you need
to say in order for you to have the relationships
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necessary to try to change their heart and give them
a new perspective. Wonderful, that's what I would say. And
dear friends, I would ask all of you to continue
to pray for those who don't believe like you believe,
for prayer is powerful. Equip your heart with what you
believe rooted in the scripture, and then be courageous, because
if Charlie Kirk did nothing else for us, he showed
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us what it means to be courageous. Should it cost
you your life, so be it. You'll go to the
Lord and you'll be with him forever and ever. What
good news that is. But we need to be courageous.
We cannot stand on our own human understanding anymore. We
cannot cower and go into the closet anymore. We've got
to have a strong faith. We have to have a
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strong message, and we have to speak to power with
truth in love. And as you do so, you can
change human hearts. You can have a new country, you
can have a new perspective. And I believe that with
all of my heart, Father in Heaven, in Jesus's name,
be with all those who are out there right now,
provide for their needs. Reach deep down into your provision
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and give them what they desire in their hearts. And
would you, Lord, restore our land? Would you make America
great again in Jesus' perspective by his love, grace, mercy
and kindness. And as we do so, Lord, we will
have the kind of nation about which we can be proud.
And we can walk into this world and no. Freedom
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is still the message that allows people to enjoy their land.
God bless you all. Talk with you next week.
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine to three WBT. Welcome to the show.
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program that tries to intersect faith and value with
different issues that are going on locally and globally. Thank
you so much folks for listening on a weekly basis,
and thank you to Perry's Fine Jewelry for your sponsorship
(01:10):
of the show. Without you, I could not do this
on a weekly basis. Now over twenty five years, hardly
seems possible. But it's been a blast doing this show
on a weekly basis. I have my friend Ed Billick,
the producer of the show, with his mike open as
well as we're going to talk more about Charlie Kirk
and some other issues in our culture. Ed, good morning,
Thank you for being with Good Morning.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:41):
There you go, great commercial. Thank you. They're wonderful people. Yeah,
you knew them very well. So cont Ernie Perry, who's
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look forward to seeing him again, that beautiful, deep resonant
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I'm just so thankful that his daughter and others are
keeping on his tradition and giving fine quality in the
jewelry business to people who want it well ed. What
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a week. I thought it would be appropriate for you
and me just to talk some more about Charlie Kirk,
to talk about the Jimmy Kimmel fiasco, to talk about
what we think is going on in our country. Some
of the negative reaction to Charlie Kirk's death and some
of the language that's being thrown about it really is
unbelievable to me that people can't just at least pause
(02:27):
even for a moment and grieve with a young widow
with two small children who watched her husband be assassinated.
I think for his political views. I think for his
political views that were informed by his biblical convictions, and
I think that had something to do at least with
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the assassination. I'm going to answer the question a little
later on into the show. Was Charlie Kirk a martyr?
There are those who think he was in the tradition
of martyrs through the ages because of their faith. And
I want all of us simply to reflect upon what
it would be like to be a young woman now
raising two children alone with the love of her life
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suddenly taken away from her, and all of the grief
that Erica must be experiencing today. I think that's something
we need to reflect on, something that would be essential
for us to understand and be able to have some empathy.
Going to Jimmy Kimmel, he was fired, I think, and
you helped me out here because you did more reading
about it this past week than I did, just because
(03:33):
of his irascibly insensitive comments about Charlie kreik Kirk's assassination
and his own views that it was almost deserved, you know,
emphasizing his own anti Maga, anti Trump positions. Talk about
that for a second.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know, it's interesting here you have a noted TV
personality in late night talk shows and he has the boldenness.
And then you go back to Tyler whatever his name is,
the Kyla Robinson in the Wall Street journalists that clearly
outlines his message what he said. He is not backing
down from her. He admits to do it. That bolden
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hatred that is just now so visible. He's not running
and hiding and saying someone else. He omits to doing it.
And I just cannot understand how that evil is in
the hearts of so many people.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well not only in him, but others who are celebrating
Charlie Kirk's assassination, which again just does not make any
sense to me. You may differ from Charlie Kirk's views,
but for the sake of humanity, for the sake of empathy,
and for the sake of feeling what other people may feel,
just pause at least for a little while and let
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Erica Kirk and others who love Charlie Kirk grieve. And
I would hope that I would have that same position
if someone on the left who is notable and a
leader of the left might be assassinated, I would grieve
over the loss of life. And that's what concerns me
so much. Is this a part of the the American
culture of death that we have emphasized with the slaughter
(05:04):
of I think seventy three million little ones in the
womb over the last numbers of decades, and the fact
that we're transitioning people without questioning anything about what that
means for life. How and I'm going to address this
later on in our show too. The fertility rate and
the number of children needed to replace those who are
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dying in America. It's precipitous. It's falling off the cliff,
and no one seems to be concerned about that. Can
we not just pause and celebrate the beauty of life?
And life has been snuffed out? And I don't care
what your political beliefs are. We should grieve with those
who are grieving, mourn with those who are mourning. That's
a biblical verse from Jesus. We should have the greatest
empathy in our hearts toward anyone who loses their life mercilessly,
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like Charlie Kirk did.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I cannot understand how folks who work for corporations, law firms,
hospitals that are so boldened to then comment on their
own personal opinion, which just flies in the face of
what that organization believes, where they're so indoctrinated that they
have no self awareness of what they're really saying. They
get terminated, well they let go.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I've had people actually on the left contact me this
week and say, well, wait a minute, there's freedom of
speech out there. Those on the left have the right
to speak freely and ed. We're going to talk about
that in the next segment. I want us to address
that because I think there is an answer there that
is rooted in free speech, that has another part of freedom,
(06:33):
that's a part of it that will address when we
look at this issue in greater depth. On the other
side of the break. The bottom line is Tyler Robinson
is the assassin. He has been identified raising a conservative
Republican home, had a scholarship I think to Utah State University,
dropped out after a semester or so, then became really radicalized,
(06:56):
it appears, and actually went to electrical school still in
that and saw that Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah
Valley University.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And what we're going to try to answer is how
does that happen?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
How does it happen that he became so angry, so
hateful towards Charlie Kirk that he determined in his heart
when he heard he was coming to Utah Valley that
he wanted to take his life away, came up with
a plan and a strategy to do so. One question,
was there anybody else involved in this? We don't know.
Pray that the FBI will be able to determine if
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there were others involved as well, and that we can
see what really happened there. But what happened? How was
he so radicalized? These are the kinds of questions we
will ask today on the David Chadwick Show. We will
be right back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ears.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
God, Come in, God, I know you're there here in
our prayers. Wherever you are, we need and now to
send your love down take away the pain. In your
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holy name. We asked this and now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We need you. We need you love to hear.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
The world you made and save it now.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And no dog is down with young Amazon.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Grace erth to God.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Our prayers go out today to Erica Kirk, to those
in our nation that are suffering from loss, and we
remember also Renda Zurutzka in our own city who had
her life mercilessly taken. We pray for hope for those
folks as well. Howevery one, I'm David Chadwick and this
is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three. Wbt I
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recently did a study of the character Cain in the
Bible in Genesis four, and many of you know that
Cain offered an offering from the field to God, whom
God did not accept. And then Abel, his brother, made
an offering from his herd where there was a blood sacrifice,
and God accepted that. And that has to do with
the whole biblical understanding of Hebrews nine twenty two that
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without the shedding of blood, there is the no remission
of sin, and so there needs to be blood shed
for the remission of sin. And for those of us
who are Christians, we know that Jesus shed blood on
the cross is what forgave us of our sins. And
animal sacrifice system began with Adam and Eve in their
sin being covered with loin claus. There had to be
some shed blood there for those loin claus to cover
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their shame and their guilt. And then Abel's offering had
blood to do with it, Cain's did not. One was
by works, one was by grace, and God received the
one by grace. But when God judged Cain, God said
to Cain, the blood of Abel cries out from the
ground for justice. The blood of Abel cries out from
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the ground from justice, and the truth is, dear friends,
all people who have lost their lives unjustly, like Irena
Zurutzka here in Charlotte the trolleycar situation where she stabbed
mercilessly by a man who was on the streets with
fourteen felons already against him. Why was he on the streets.
It's just unbelievable to think about. But her family is grieving,
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and we cry out with the family for justice, and
we do so with Erica Kirk as well, with her
two children. Charlie Kirk's blood cries out from the ground
for justice, as do many others through the centuries who
have given their lives for different causes, and justice needs
to be done now. It may not happen on this
side of eternity totally, but we do know our God
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is a god of justice, and it will happen one
day totally and completely before the throne of God himself.
But that doesn't mean we don't seek for it. Right now,
many people are grieving over Charlie Kirk's loss, and I
don't know where all of you are in your particular
political persuasion My guess is most of you lean to
the writer. You wouldn't be listening on this station to
(11:41):
my show today. But the truth is Charlie Kirk was
a force of nature. He at eighteen years old, was
declined from West Point and therefore he said, I'm not
going to school. I'm going to start a movement. At eighteen,
he began Turning Point USA, started forming it in middle schools,
(12:02):
high schools, and colleges across the country, and thousands of
people over the years began to be attracted to his
unique style of open debate on college campuses on different issues.
He attacked those issues through the lenses of faith and
values from a biblical perspective. His understanding of faith and
Jesus informed his political perspectives. And I've never seen anybody
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be able to debate college kids like he debated them
on campus. And he grew in popularity to such a way.
Some people think he was the reason President Trump was elected,
that he was so able to influence, especially young men,
to a more conservative perspective and the need to vote,
that he actually got President Trump into office. And many
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people believe that President Trump has said he believes that
Charlie Kirk again was a force of nature. And did
he give his life because of his faith? Was he
a martyr? Let me answer that question right now. Well,
his political perspectives were informed by his biblical convictions. And
as I look at the seed bed of the church
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and how the church is advanced through the years, it
was Tertullian, the second century church father, who said the
blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.
So people who give their lives for Jesus have been
what is necessary for the expansion of the church. So
did Charlie Kirk die as a martyr? Well, the word
martus in the Greek from which the word martyr comes
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means witness. He was a witness to his faith that
informed his political perspective. And I think the murderer Tyler
Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, yeah, because of his political convictions,
because his faith to informed his political conviction. So I
would argue that Charlie Kirk is a martyr, that he
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gave his life for his faith because his faith informed
his politics, which caused the anger against him. And I
believe he is in the lineage of the martyrs through
the decades, through the centuries who've given their lives, and
they have indeed allowed the church to proliferate, to grow
because they've been willing to give their faith for the
Lord they followed so much. That's my personal conviction, it's
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what I believe, and I think this as well. Folks.
Do you remember the Star Wars movies where Obi Wan
Kenoby Darth Vader's getting ready to kill him, and Obi
Wan Kenoby said, go ahead and kill me, but if
I die, dozens of others will come up and take
my place. And I think that's what's going to happen
with Charlie Kirk's death, if indeed it was a kind
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of martyrdom. Kill him, you're going to have dozens and
hundreds and thousands who will rise up to take his place,
as evidence by the fact that Turning Point USA has
had over thirty eight thousand, thirty eight thousand different requests
on middle school, high school, and college campuses to form
Turning Point ideas. So, kill Charlie Kirk, You're going to
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have a movement of people who take his place. And
I think the movement's only going to expand, And your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I heard him back to your earlier point. I heard
two right, wing strong right wing broadcasters this week say
what was the difference between them and what he did
and his ability, his ability to articulate and use the
human English language. You could have a debate with him.
You're far left, okay, you're far progressive, but at the
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end of the discussion, you felt good that you had
that conversation, as opposed to a lot of these people
that do this. They caused even more hatred on the
other side. But he made these young men and women
feel good that they were able to engage. He may
not have changed their mind, but at least he opened
their eyes and I hear. That is the difference, and
that is the power he had, and they did not
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like that power, and.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
They didn't like his influence upon our nation. You know
ed you love history. As go back to the Lincoln
Douglas debates, for example, when Abraham Lincoln was running for
presidentaint Stephen Douglas and they would argue debate in the
open forum before hundreds of people, oftentimes for hours, and
they would exchange ideas. The whole democratic system in America
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is rooted in the idea of the free marketplace of
ideas and people coming together to argue those ideas and
then the listener decides which they think is the better
answer to the problem, and they make their vote accordingly. Well,
that's what Charlie Kirk did. He in the History of
our Republic, went before different people argued ideas, and then
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at the end of the day said, you people out
there who have heard this debate, decide who won, and
vote accordingly. And he did it so well with such
amazing a plum that people voted Republican, voted right for
the first time, in greater numbers than ever before. So
I think we need to stop and say we need
to reclaim that was the initial foundation of the American politic,
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that people would debate openly their ideas and the better
debater would win. And I think that's what Charliekirk brought
to So we've.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Created too many echo chambers where we listen only stuff
that we believe, okay, And growing up in high school, college,
you had those kind of debates and classrooms.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Okay, you didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
This echo chamber thing. So then we're going to talk
a little bit later, how did this guy get so
radicalized because you keep listening to those kind of people.
It's the gaming industry and the ability to kill in
these video games. I mean, there's a lot. How did
this really happen? Yeah, how did this really happen? And
I got some quotes from his mom and all that
just say it just amazes us how that radicalization can occur.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, we'll look at that on the other side of
this next break, because I think that's a great discussion
to have. You know, the Bible teaches very clearly do
not respond to evil with evil, but respond to evil
with good. Jesus said that in six Paul re states
it in Romans chapter twelve. It is a clear teaching
of the scripture that if you respond to evil with evil,
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it only exacerbates, it only grows larger, and eventually the
final aspect of evil will be death. And that's what
we're living in right now, is in a culture of death.
But if you respond to evil with good, which is
what I think Charlie Kirk did. He debated, but he
respected the person whom he was debating, you will then
have an open dialogue that will allow good to prosper
and life to continue. So I think that's part of
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what's going on in this culture. How did Tyler Robinson
become so radicalized, and how in the world can we
as a culture continue to promote a faith that respects
the other person but disagrees with their ideas. I think
that is the key perspective we need to have in
the question we need to ask. I'm David Chadwick, will
be right back.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Listen, Yes, soul, oh my soul. Worship his whomely name.
Same befoll so worship your holy name.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
My prayer is for all people everywhere to get in
touch with their love for the Lord and be able
to worship him. Put aside maybe our differences and our
own particular Christian persuasion, and come together in love. I
think that's what Jesus would want for he said in
John thirteen thirty four. By this the world that will
know that you are mine, by the way that you
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love one another, that you love one another. And Ed Billick,
my producer, has his microphone open as we are discussing
the Charlie Kirk assassination in greater depth. And by the way,
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(21:04):
thank you for joining me on this. Since Charlie Kirk's death,
we have had a number of people online to the
left who are celebrating his assassination, celebrating his death, and
I know you and I both believe that that's inappropriate,
it's not right. But what's been interesting to me as
well is I've even had some friends on the left
(21:26):
say to me, wait a minute, they shouldn't lose their
jobs because of their particular leftist persuasion. They should be
able to say that without worrying about being fired. The
truth is, many different people in many different professions have
been let go because their particular group has decided, no,
you don't reflect our values, we are letting you go.
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And there's been, of course, a free speech objection from
the left. You shouldn't do that. We should have the
right to be able to say whatever we want to say.
And first of all, your response to that particular perspective.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You know, this is a very kind of human or
the company I work for back in the day, I
spent my career with him. Let's say you're wearing Texas, Okay,
and somebody wanted to wear a Dallas cowboy hat out online. No,
you had to wear the company's hat. You could put
cowboy hats on a Carolina Panther hats because that's not
the company was the company? Okay, And when you work
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for a company, you represent that company. They pay you
to represent them. Yeah, they hire your skills and all.
But you're kind of religious opinions and all, and you
could maybe talk with folks and help them, But to
do that publicly on social media, that is that's a
reflection on the company.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So I think that's contrary to the company that would
not allow you to wear or speak because the company
as a brand.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I heard there was a doctor that got terminated from
a hospital and someone said, yeah, why would I want
to go to that doctor when he promotes death and
he's taking care of me. That's kind of an extreme right.
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I do know what you're saying. And here's how
I would respond to it and how I have responded
to it. Yes, we have freedom of speech in America.
It is a very important American freedom. But we also
have the freedom of association that we can freely choose
with whom we want to associate and if there are
businesses out there that have a particular brand and say
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this is what we believe, they have the freedom to say.
If you're an employee, you are an employee of our company,
you represent us. I don't want to be associated with
you because your words hurt our brand in the eyes
of the world. To me, it's just a simple idea,
and therefore people should be respectful in their speech and
(23:35):
not say anything that would hurt their company's particular perspective.
Causing all of us to pause for a second and say,
could we not at least allow Erica Kirk and her
two children and others to grieve over what is a
hideous assassination in American life. We haven't had anything like
this ed since Martin Luther King back in the nineteen sixties,
(23:59):
where someone was assassinated, Bobby Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, someone
was assassinated. There have been attempts on Reagan, on Trump,
but not successful. This is the first real assassination attempt
that's been successful upon a political personality who's bigger than life,
and it causes grief in the hearts of people. Can
(24:19):
we not as a people sharing a common humanity, stop
and say I want to allow them to grieve, them
to hurt over their particular situation.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And this one is basically on total words alone, exactly
just words.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And we have social media today like we've never had before,
where you can post your words out there and they
are out there for a long.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Period of us you're hiding behind your microphone.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But when they are exposed and they do know who
they are, then the company has a right to have
the freedom of association and say no, we don't want
that particular wording, that verbiage to reflect who we are
as a company. Let's go to another perspective. What caused
Tyler Robinson to have this kind of radicalization? What caused
(25:04):
him being raised in a conservative Republican type home, in
a Mormon church environment which has values that are a
part of its particular faith perspective? What caused him to
be radicalized? And I know one of the things that's
been said is he would really endo gaming, which is
an online video experience where you can kill thousands of
(25:24):
people in the touch of a knob and it's not
even thought about. Death. Seems to be a lot of
the gaming industry can you talk some more about that, please?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And there's this group that he was part of and
it skips my mind right now where they feed on
each other. And you know, it was interesting in the
Wall Street Journal this week did a little did a
little editorial in all of his comments that came out
of his when he was arrested and wrote the things
he wrote the text messages. It says, all this suggests
(25:54):
a political motivation rooted in gradual David, gradual radicalization. This
makes the murder of all more chilling because the evidence
doesn't suggest some psychological break, that something just happened. This
was going on and on and in these textas are
rational the most part, but so deeply misguided. And his
mom and his dad said, where did this come from?
(26:16):
They said, yeah, in the last year and a half,
all of a sudden it became radicalized.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
David.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
How does that happen to that kind of family life
he grew up in?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
How does that happen to a young eighteen nineteen twenty
year old. Well, he wasn't living at home. We know
that he had started living with a guy transgendering to
a woman. They had some kind of a romantic relationship
we can see that in the text they exchanged before
it was known that he was the assassin. In the text,
(26:44):
there are words like love being used between both of them,
so we know that was going on. I just believe
in what F. B. Meyer, who was a famous theologian
of a couple of centuries ago, he made this quote
that I've always remembered. No person suddenly becomes base, and
by that he's saying, no person just goes from A
(27:07):
to Z. I'm good and now I'm bad. There's usually
a gradual step down the slippery slope of moral relativism,
one step after another after another. Then over time your
heart changes from being this person to another. Parton.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You've been a counselor all your career as well as
a pastor. Have you run across this a little bit?
Or have you seen any of this?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I have, and I've seen children who rebel against their parents' values.
But again, it's not necessarily immediate. It's usually being placed
in an environment where a professor or other people in
that environment try to deconstruct the faith of the person
who comes into that environment. So, for example, Tyler Robinson
(27:50):
could be associating with a lot of people who are
on the left in the gaming industry. He has friends
who are on the left, and they slowly but surely
offer him ideas that challenge his own faith, perspective, his
own parental upbringing, and slowly but surely, over time he
goes from A to Z and becomes a totally different person. Again,
(28:11):
that doesn't happen immediately, It doesn't happen over weeks. It
usually happens over a long period of time. But then
you have finally that point where he has adopted this
new view of life and that his purpose in life
is not just to object to somebody's views, but to
silence somebody's views. You have the person who believes it's
(28:33):
not just trying to object to the message, their job
is to kill the messenger. And that's not what I
think happened with Tyler Robinson. His parents were absolutely befuddled
with how he became this person. They didn't know how
it happened. But I think it happens over time when
you continue to expose yourself to radical ideas that are
contrary to what you've been raised with.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Do you honestly think that in facing the death penalty
and what's his future look like? With a life in
prison that he finally becomes remorseful and he goes, oh
my gosh, what did I do here?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, we can pray so for none of us who
loves evil so deep we don't know. Well, I don't
think anything's beyond the grace of God. I think the
most powerful force in the world is the grace of
Jesus Christ, who forgives us of our sins. Might he
come to that understanding at some point soon? I would
praise us, for I don't want anybody to spend their
eternity in hell. And he actually did the taking of
(29:26):
human life, which Genus is nine I think teaches if
you take a life that's created in the image of God,
you lose your life that's created in the image of God.
Utah is one of the few states that has the
death penalty. It has death by firing squad. Interestingly, and
we know that is a serious but also fatal way
to die. But on the other hand, we do know
(29:47):
that God is able to redeem all of creation. He's
able to take people in their most dire straits and
renew them. That doesn't mean he doesn't spend the rest
of his life in prison. If that's the case for
we can be forgiven still have to face the penalty
of our sins. And I do pray for his forgiveness
of his soul that he will spend eternity with Jesus.
But if that doesn't happen, he will face the consequences
(30:10):
of his life that is separated from the WLD.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
We'll come back from break, friends, relatives that may be
thinking along those same lines that you have connections to.
We want your advice.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Thank you. I'll give what I can give, and I'll
try to help as I can help. And one other
teas I want to address real quickly what happened in
Britain last Sunday with this amazing number of people who
flooded the streets and objection to Britain's immigration policies and
everything else that's going on in that nation and Western Europe.
(30:40):
Right now, I'm David Chadwick. This is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. We will be right back.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Christen me rise and dispelled the darkness.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Christ In Me, rise with.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Your power and at your strength. Christ In me, for
ow your blessing and healing.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Christ In me arise and I show.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Rise a great word for all of us. Our hope
is really in the Lord Jesus and not in our
own hearts, which can so often be changed from love
to hate. Harvey One. I'm David Chadwick and this is
News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back
to this show, and Ed, before we finalize our discussion
(33:01):
on how the human heart can go from such love
to hatred, being raised in a good home and becoming
a murderer and an assassin, I would like to mention
this one thing. NBC recently came out with a pole
that I think is absolutely fascinating. We can probably do
some other discussion on this in the programs to come,
but they ask gen Z that's basically kids between the
(33:22):
ages of eighteen and twenty nine, men and women, what
is the top priority in your life? And they gave
a list of different options there fascinatingly for the boys.
For the men, they have come to believe that their
number one priority and desire in life is to be
married and have a family. And I think that's wonderful
because that's what I chose to do. And I think
(33:44):
every poll shows that greatest happiness comes when you find
that person, you marry them and have a family with them,
you learn human responsibility in all of that. And I
think Charlie Kirk influenced that younger generation greatly to that idea.
For his three f's were faith, freedom, and family. That's
what he emphasized when he went and debated on the
college campus's Faith, Family, and freedom, and a lot of
(34:06):
young men started saying, you know, I want to find
that right person, I want to marry, I want to
have a family, which I think is again wonderful. But
among the women in that jen Z age group, the
question that NBC asked was what's your highest priority in life?
Their response was career and that allows them then to
travel with their friends all throughout the world. And the
(34:27):
last thing that they listed in importance, and I don't
know if feminism has caused this particular perspective, was marriage
and the family. I just find that disconnect really interesting.
Especially and this is another show for another time. The
replacement numbers for children is causing a crisis throughout the
world that nobody's talking about. If we don't address it,
(34:49):
and we don't have children to replace the number of
people who are growing older and older and older we're
going to collapse as a society, not only in America,
which has said, well, we'll let the immigrants replace the
numbers of children who aren't being born in an abortion
of course as a part of that whole problem as well.
But now the immigration policy is not as welcoming in
those numbers as I think it should be. And we
(35:10):
are experiencing not only here but in China, in India,
in Japan, which sells more diapers for older people than
for babies, in Indonesia, in Italy, in other places. This
is a huge problem that again needs to be discussed.
But I think it has to do some with Charlie
Kirk's popularity, especially with young men who finally decide, you know, family,
(35:33):
faith and values. That's really important, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
With a lack of time we have here in the
last segment, what happened in London last weekend? I saw
some of the video.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, Well, a guy by the name of Tommy Robinson,
who is not related to Tyler Robinson, the assassin of
Charlie Kirk, but he had been imprisoned for his free
speech ideas, had been kind of a fire brand, if
you will, and he was imprisoned for I think seven
months or so oftentimes in solitariy confinement. He's been released
and he now coagulated a lot of Brits who feel
(36:05):
like with the immigration of Muslims, et cetera, that their
whole culture is being lost, their British understanding of who
they are and their heritage is being lost. And so
Tommy Robinson motivated the people to go to the streets
last Sunday and object and start stating to the government
no more. And there have been some publications indeed, like
(36:27):
The Guardian, which is a leftist publication, that has said
that Charlie Kirk's death has ignited a conservative movement worldwide
where people are now finally saying enough is enough, and
we're flooding the streets in objection to these particular governments
that are totally changing who we are, especially by immigration
policies inviting Muslims into their country. People who are in
(36:51):
the mainstream media said that there were probably one hundred
thousand people in the streets objecting in Britain. Well, Tommy
Robinson was pretty smart. He hired drone and helicopters to
go up and take pictures of all of London and
other cities, and in London alone, it's estimated there were
three million Brits in the streets with British flags, chanting
(37:13):
British slogans for return our land to us. Where's it
all going to go? I don't know, but it's also
happening in France. The presidents of Poland and Hungarya have
come out and said, we are decidedly Christian, Roman Catholic,
and our culture we are denying immigration because we want
to keep our culture the way it is. I can't
(37:34):
help but think that there is a conservative fomenting people
around the world who are now courageous enough to go
to the streets and say enough is enough. It'll be
fascinating to watch where this goes in the weeks and
months to come.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Got to tease for us next, who's our guests next
to the week? Mark Harrison's Okay? Now, markt is an
elected official. He is to represent the people in his district.
That's what created America. These politicians need to represent the people,
and in some countries that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, And they're fed up and they're tired, and they're
going into the streets to object. Again, you might see
kind of what happened in Nepal where gen Z people
flooded into the streets and completely overthrew the parliamentarian government,
and they're having a new election to lack people they
think are more fair to have the judicial system that
works in their land. And I think that kind of
(38:22):
thing is going to happen more and more worldwide. In Britain,
in France, in Germany other places as well. You're seeing
a conservative uprising. Where will it go, I don't know,
but it'll be absolutely fascinating as a political walk, as
a person of deep faith to see what's going on
throughout the world, because what's happening there, I think's happening
here as well, and that was the reason for Charlie
(38:43):
Kirk's popularity.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
David Kocha. So, if we have friends relatives that are
so far away from our values of Christian life, conservative principles,
how can we become a Charlie Kirk to them?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
All I know it is to say, speak the truth,
know the truth. When you say these are my convictions,
I would encourage you to have a biblical reference that
supports that position, because then at that point it's not
about you, it's about your biblical faith. That says, no,
this is what my Bible informs me to believe. And
then when you speak to them, make sure you understand
(39:16):
it's not just what you say, it's how you say it.
So make sure you speak the truth in love, as
Paul told us in Ephesian chapter five, verse twenty five.
And as you speak the truth in love, you will
then have earned the right to say what you need
to say in order for you to have the relationships
(39:37):
necessary to try to change their heart and give them
a new perspective. Wonderful, that's what I would say. And
dear friends, I would ask all of you to continue
to pray for those who don't believe like you believe,
for prayer is powerful. Equip your heart with what you
believe rooted in the scripture, and then be courageous, because
if Charlie Kirk did nothing else for us, he showed
(39:58):
us what it means to be courageous. Should it cost
you your life, so be it. You'll go to the
Lord and you'll be with him forever and ever. What
good news that is. But we need to be courageous.
We cannot stand on our own human understanding anymore. We
cannot cower and go into the closet anymore. We've got
to have a strong faith. We have to have a
(40:19):
strong message, and we have to speak to power with
truth in love. And as you do so, you can
change human hearts. You can have a new country, you
can have a new perspective. And I believe that with
all of my heart, Father in Heaven, in Jesus's name,
be with all those who are out there right now,
provide for their needs. Reach deep down into your provision
(40:41):
and give them what they desire in their hearts. And
would you, Lord, restore our land? Would you make America
great again in Jesus' perspective by his love, grace, mercy
and kindness. And as we do so, Lord, we will
have the kind of nation about which we can be proud.
And we can walk into this world and no. Freedom
(41:02):
is still the message that allows people to enjoy their land.
God bless you all. Talk with you next week.
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