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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the first day ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm glad you're here. Thanks for watching us on YouTube.
Both of you.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Now that's not true.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
That is discrediting to all of everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, I mean, I don't know who's there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I usually just figure it's my mom and maybe my
sister watching. It's Sunday, it's before a colds game. I
figure people are busy Thanksgiving week. Many of you are
traveling over the next few days.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm Terry. That's Danny Dinny Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good morning, don't.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Forget happy Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, we'll be with you on Thanksgiving Day. I don't
know what time.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They haven't given us our time yet, but we'll be
here with you on Thanksgiving morning as you're getting set
for family and friends and cooking and all that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Listen, there's a lot. We're just gonna be just a very.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Short segment because we're going to talk a little bit
about redistricting coming up, which just this makes me crazy,
but we're going to do it anyway. For the first
time in the United States music history, an AI generated
country song called Walk My Way by Breaking Rust has
reached number one on the Billboard Country Digital Song Sales Chart.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So how you feel about that, Well, let me.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Let me, let me play a little bit for you,
and would you know, I guess this is my question.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Then beat down, but I don't stay.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now that sounds like Kevi.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Got mud on my jean, still ready to go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I would never know, not a million years.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Never scar a story that I survived. I've been through hell,
but I'm still alive. They sit slow down, boy, don't
go too fast. But I ain't never been one to
live in the past. I keep moving forward and never
looking back, with the worn out at and serious.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
If AI created the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
If you don't like.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It, I think that's a good song.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The thing about AIS, it's a language model, and it
can pick up every little nuance of voice, texture and music.
You know, it already knows what a picardy third is.
I mean, we don't have to do that in our
heads with music.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Country stars are pretty angry about this. But country stars
have said, you know what, AI can do these the
music and stuff, but they sure can't tour and come
and visit you, you know, in your city, in your town.
They can't come and do a show for.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You, well, Terry. Even on our trade Kylin. You know,
if I screw up on a spot and I'm out
one or two words fixed, I'm ready and willing. They're
on the farm to recut it. But they say, no,
we got this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's quick, it's quicker.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It may fix.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's just quicker.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Then you going and laying down the words, and then
I mean, it's just quicker. And because of that song,
another data center has been put up.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So I think that's what the frustration is. It takes
so much energy and it's just using all of the
talent that we already set for it to be AI.
It's AI's town.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Our personalities are neutered. They absorb all of our personalities
and they create whatever they want or need or they
think that the audience is expecting. Yeah, And I don't
know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I know it, I know it.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But it's number one on Billboard in country AI or
not AI got country Digital, which I guess is that
a whole new category.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Or I guess it might as well be at this point.
Come on. Although AI bands are in the talks right now,
so we'll keep an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Where do they get their statistics. They get them from YouTube?
Do they get them from Spotify? Do they get them
from streaming? How do they know what's first?
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't know. Well, you know what, I don't know.
I'm sure that they have. Probably they used to be
able to take our radios. The AI put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And now the AI, just as we knew, is coming
for us, and it's making it number one because it can.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, we are already a AI. I mean, if you're
watching us on YouTube, those are AI generated images. That's
not us.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I wish smith.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I wish because I would probably look maybe I would
look better, you know, But no, AI has decided.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Isn't that where the filters started?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh my gosh, there's so.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Easy with you.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I have something nicer for the Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, there, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
There are so many stories that I wanted to get
to today and I know. But there was a conversation
about nurses and some of the professions that have been declassified.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And according to Trump and the Education Secretary, they did.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right and taking away maybe some of that money, getting
lesser loans. And there's been quite a fury among nurses
in particular on this and whether that's There are two
different sides to this, whether it's a setback or it's
not letting nurses be put into a category where they're
going to be paying lots of money for these loans,
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paying for the rest of their lives. If that's for you.
I'm so torn on this because I don't know which
which it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't have enough information to make a decision. But
when they do things like this, it does open up
the profession to a lot more people. Yeah, and that
might be what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Terry, Well, I don't know, but I know we need
you desperately, nurses, and you're still our heroes, I know,
said many of them said. Look, we were all your
heroes here at during COVID, and now it feels like
we're being put into a The Department of Education is
redefining which academic programs qualify for professional degree loan limits.
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There's a lot to it, but they're defining which programs
can access the highest federal borrowing limits. So those limits
now are now available and reserved just for doctors, dentists, lawyers, pharmacist, veterinarians,
and a few others. But nurses were not added to
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that high limit category.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
As a financial advisor, I'm all for lowering debt limits
because people are coming out of well, I had a
physician that came out of med school with seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars in that you want to put
a limit on it just to protect them a little.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Wit well, And I think another question is why do
nurses need to pay anybody?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, why is school so expensive?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Because schools, I know, we got to go, we got
to take a club and we're in a club, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But coming up, that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm sure that there will be There will be lots
of discussion this week too, and also on redistricting and
so much more coming up.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But we're going to talk about it too.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it's an interesting perspective coming from doctor Wilson who's
a professor at You Indy. She'll join us next. You'll
hear that conversation. Ninety three WIBC. Ninety three WIBC. It
is Terry Stacey. Listen.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
This discussion of redistricting.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Has been going on now for three months and we
are where we are at this very moment.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Most of you are up to date. You know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I thought that we would speak to doctor Laura Maryfield Wilson.
She's an associate professor of political science at the University
of Indianapolis and Kylin.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
She's also been the host.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Of Recenter Indiana, hosted some redistricting listening sessions, and doctor
Laura she participated and hosted a redistricting information and educational
part of this listening session to get people kind of
caught up with where we're at and why these conversations
are happening.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I think it was important, and from that we
have learned that the majority of those that were part
of these listening sessions says, no, we don't want to
do this now. This is there's so many other important issues.
But doctor Wilson, I won't keep you up but a
few minutes because I know you're somewhere on this Sunday
morning with with kids.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I thank you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I am doing well and it is my pleasure. I
always love talking about politics, and you what my kids
don't like hearing about it.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I'm glad I'm talk.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
With you this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, President Trump and the Republicans line of argument is
that Democrats have jerrymandered current maps so badly that it's
time for Republicans to do the same. But history really
shows that both parts these are guilty of doing this,
And my question is how is this even legal?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Well, it's crazy to start with, and you're you're absolutely right.
I want to emphasize both parties can and will jerrymander
when they have the opportunity to, and we've seen that
throughout literal decades of drawing the district lines. But our
state legislature in Indiana has a legal constitutional authority to
redraw them, so they have that power. The real question,
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and this is probably what you were asking me, you said,
is this legal? How could it be? Is whether or
not they have the opportunity to do it in these
off cycle years. So we always redistrict just because we
recognize that population grows and as shifts, but you don't
typically see it when we haven't had a census for
five years. And that's the real question. There is constitutional
arguments with regards to Indiana Constitution in eighteen fifty one
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whether or not it is permissible, and I will say
I'm not a constitutional lawyer in that regard. It would
certainly come down to the courts if we did ultimately
pursue redistricting at the doesn't look like our state will.
But there's a lot of questions about there. There's a
lot of questions about the legal and constitutional authority specifically
here for Indiana. Every state utilizes a different process, but
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for us, it's not clear. That's why I would just
emphasize it is not clear whether or not it would
be legal or constitutional. I think that should really be
of interest and concern for all Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Kilan redistricting is normal, it happens every ten years, but
with this mid decade redistricting, can you talk through the
pros and cons of it so we're all on level
ground with why this conversation even is happening.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, the real benefit would be drawing those
district lines in a way that's going to benefit the
majority party. And in Indiana, we're talking about our state
legislature doing the redrawing, and we're talking about the congressional districts,
So this would benefit the Republican party. Right now, the
Republicans enjoy unified government, meaning they hold both chambers of Congress,
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that's the House in the Senate, and they have the presidency,
but in order to pass legislation, a lot of times
people think unified government is better. It's easier because you
have a majority in all chambers. So that's a real
benefit for the Republicans that are looking to do this
right now. And there is nationally this issue where you're
looking at Texas re drew five congressional districts to favor
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the Republicans. Well, California did the same thing with five
districts to favor the Democrats. So in terms of state
wide issues, in the push within a state, it's like, look,
these states are doing it, and they're favoring the other side.
So that's a large reason for the argument in terms
of favoring redistricting. But there's also a strong pushback and
we've seen a lot of public opinion polls that indicate
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a slight majority of Hoosiers don't support redistricting, and in
large part because it costs money, it takes time, this
isn't something we normally do. But I also think there's
an important argument in terms of precedent and when we
think of changing the rules, the rules impact the game.
But if you change the rules to benefit your team
this time around, you have irresolably changed the rules that
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might benefit the other team. And in this case, I'm
talking about political parties. So there is a very slippery
slope that I know some folks that are very concerned with.
If we did this now, what's not to say we
wouldn't do this again two years from now, and then
three years from now, and then anytime we could or
wanted to, or just on a whim. And I mentioned
the cost. There's a cost in terms of time, right,
there's also a physical financial cost, and the estimates are
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between a quarter of a million to a half a
million dollars. But there's a lot of stuff going on
in our state. There's a lot of places you want
to spend money, and some opponents say this just isn't
a place where they want to put that investment.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, you know, has there ever been any talk of
let's stop this, you know, let's stop doing this, Let's
not make this something that we are able to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm sure probably not right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
This is something that will continue on until maybe somebody says,
let's stop doing this, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Specific to the fact that our state legislators get to
draw the district lines. In some states, they don't. That's
part of why California had Proposition fifty on the ballot
two weeks ago, because their state legislature does not have
that authority. That question comes up, right and like, hey,
should we do this? Should we maybe we should reconsider it?
And I will say that the difficulty is that in
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order to change that, it would have to go through legislators.
So you would be asking the very people who have
that power. And not only do our legislators draw congressional districts,
they draw their own districts. You'd be asking them to
give up that authority. I think we can all understand
why that would be very tricky, that'd be difficult. I
will say states like California have done it that. California
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is obviously culturally very different, I think politically couldn't be
more different than us. So while the questions come up,
we have not come up with a new idea, a
new solution, a new way to address it in our state.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
At least, this is.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Not necessarily a fun discussion, and it's not fun for
the politicians, I'm sure either.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, now it's become dangerous now.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Exactly to the point where Indiana State Senator Greg Good
he was involved in the swatting incident a week ago
after President Trump had posted his truth social comments about
his opposition to the redistricting efforts. And I feel like
this political division is within every topic, even this, I
would say relatively superficial topic of redistricting. Have you seen
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this ever before in past times?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
With No, I haven't, Like I was full stop mic
drop no. And I think it's really concerning. First of all,
any type of threat of violence, intimidation. We've seen these
swatting incidences. We've heard of people saying, well, you know,
their families have been threatened. And when you think of
public service, I recognize there will be a lot of
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political issues, a lot of things people don't agree with,
but to have it come down to this, and when
we see it fairly rampantly, I've been keeping track. I
think we're talking about almost a dozen legislators, plus the governor,
plus the city county councilor as public and importance said hey,
I've had these threats against myself and my family. No,
it's it's unb believable to start with, to my understand
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my nods, unprecedented. Haven't seen it. And I think the
worst thing From my perspective about this is it's not
mean it shouldn't be a political issue.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
We typically redistrict every ten years because we know it's
it's that population growth and shifts, and yeah, we want
to account for that. We want to make sure our
districts are abortion in terms of population. But this is
not We're not talking about abortion or immigration, We're not
talking about terrorists, right, really important political issues. This is
a partisan issue. I think when you're when you're considering that,
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it's all the more upsetting. And political violence is always upsetting,
but it is all the more upsetting to see that
come about. And I think a lot of people this
could be that wake up moment where like, really, is
this what our politics would come down to you? Because
if your politics call you to insight violence, you need
to check your politics.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, this has been quite a teaching moment for you.
This is what you do.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
She's an associate professor of political science at the University
of Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
This has been a a big teaching moment. This has
been a discussion.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm assuming that even the young people are interested in
are learning more about you know.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
They are, And I have to say, if there was
any silver lining to it, that is absolutely it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It is fun to.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
See students get engaged and follow and it connects to
so many different concepts that are important in terms of
an American democracy. We have representatives, we select them, but
how how do they get selected within in terms of
districts and constituents and things. And I will say I
think it is important, especially for young people, when you
have these kind of headlines I think generally an easy
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topic to understand, although I understand very devisive, it's good
they start to pay attention. And I hope that with
younger people see especially in terms of the political violence,
is like, Okay, that's something that can happen, We're not
going to do that, right. We can counter that where
that's that's not acceptable, that is not okay, that's not
permissible in a healthy democracy. But also they see the
value of their vote, their voice, and they can make
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the connection in terms of what we're talking about in
class and then hey, let's let's well look what's going
on right now in our kind.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That is a wonderful point because I've heard a lot
of comments about that what does my voice actually mean
to these votes, to what is happening in the.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Political world feels like that nobody's listening to that's in politics,
that our leaders are listening to their constituents, the people
that put them in that job.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's what it feels like. But from a young person's perspective.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Kylan, absolutely, And how much do we actually mean as
constituents to their votes?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I think quite a bit. And again maybe this is
the second silver lining. Look at this. We're finding all sorts.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of positive out of what.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Can be a really negative topic. What I heard from
so many legislators. We see their press releases right their statements,
they say I have heard from my constituents. My constituents
tell me. Now, I think it's important to know because
I can certainly anyone can feel disheartened about you know,
is your representative listening to you. It doesn't mean your
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one single phone call or your email or your mean
tweet is going to change hearts in mind, but I
do believe legislators listen. And I think there's also an
important part of it where it's like, hey, get your
friends together to educate people, right, tell people do they
know this is going on? Have them reach out because
legislator's job security is reelection. So They very much are
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dependent on constituent opinions. Sometimes there's different leadership theories, some
styles where they have to defy what their constituents want
for what they believe is best, and constituents can punish them.
They have, they have re elected and they have chosen
to elect other people. I do think this example, especially
with regards to Indiana politics, has shown us that legislators
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are listening, they are paying attention. They may not be
that they do everything you want the same way you
want it every single time. I do feel that it illustrates, though,
how constituents have a voice and how representatives are very
interested in making sure that they are representing the whole
of their constituency, the whole of their district understanding, of course,
is never going to be one hundred percent wants anything.
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But they are responsive, they're listening, and they're processing what
they hear from their constituents.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Doctor Laura Merrifield Wilson. She is the Associate professor of
political science at Undy and the host of Positivity Politics
on WICR eighty eight seven The Diamond. If you want
to hear those conversations she had as part of the
Recenter redistricting listening sessions. You can go to Indiana citizen
dot org to hear all of that and more. Thank
you again, Laura. And coming up, we've got some show
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and tell.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's about Tom Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Some Ethan Hatcher coming to the studio next ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Good afternoon, It's twelve thirty six Terry Stacy along with
Denny Smith and Kylin Taling. You know Denny and Kylin,
we were talking earlier about what the Department of Education
has come out and said what they want to stop,
and what they want to stop are colleges from charging
whatever they want, students from borrowing unlimited amounts of any
master's program, massive debt from schools with poor cost to
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salary outcomes. So they created a small, tightly defined professional
category with higher loan limits, mostly programs that require doctorate
level training and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Who was not on that list are graduate nurses. Our nurses.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Our nurses then were taken off of this list, and
it caused quite a stir among the nursing profession and
healthcare professionals.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Hi Ethan Hatcher, Hey, when.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It comes to getting those that next degree, that higher degree.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Nursing program should just be a two year degree.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Though well, but you also want to Oftentimes because of
the nursing shortage, because doctor shortage was well, nurses are
doing more and they need that higher education. I talked
to this fantastic lady during the break India owens, and
I wanted to hear what she has to say.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Go ahead and play this Kylon.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
India is with us? In India is a nurse? India,
explain to me what this all means.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Taking the professionalism out of the title in nurse mostly
effects nurses who are wanting to continue their education to
get their master's degree or their doctorate degree or their PhD.
Some nurse scientists need a PhD to teach. We need
a master's degree or a DNP. And so what this
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does is it chokes off the ability for us to
teach the number of students we need to become nurses.
Because if there are not enough educators, and there are
not enough educators today, so and this happens, and I
can't afford the education to get my doctorate or my
master's degree, then there's no teachers left. I am sixty
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seven years old and I teach us an adjunct professor
at I use school in nursing. That's my retirement job,
my gift back job, so that when I need a
nurse in a couple of years, there'll be one there.
And so this severely limits not only everyone's ability to
advance their just but also it significantly impacts underserved people nurses,
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men and women who want to go on to that
doctorate level or that scientific PhD level, and those PhDs
do nursing research. So how do we get better at
what we do? We want to have studies to do
the evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Were you shocked to hear this news?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I was very shocked. Yes, I was, because we have
been talking about the nursing shortage for years, Terry and
lobbying in Washington, d C for help to get more
educators in the pipeline so that we can bring more
nurses on board and to get this it's like that
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nobody was listening apparently, so it's very frustrating.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's Indy. I spoke to her a little bit ago.
She as you heard, as a nurse, she's a professor.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But again the Department of Education redefining which academic programs
qualify for that professional degree loan limits, and they are
not defining which jobs are professional careers. So this is
you know again, I'm grateful to hear from the nurses.
We love you, We're grateful to you. You still are
our heroes. You are our heroes. And I know this
is a shock to many of you. As I watched
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social media last night when the word came out, the
number of those in healthcare professions has said, ah, this
is not good. So we get a little bit of
a taste from it from India what it's like as
a nurse in hearing that news. Ethan Hatcher is here,
and ladies and gentlemen, it's time for first day Show
and Tell with Ethan Hatcher. Who you hear on Saturday
(22:36):
nights Right here, Saturday Nights on the Circle, WIBC High.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Ethan, Hey, Terry, Denny and Kylan. Happy to be here again.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I know you wanted to be a surgical nurse. But
this probably now that you've heard, you probably are out.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, you know, I was really aching for that. To
go back to college, you know, no joke.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
I used to have nightmares about having to go back
to college. I would like imagine that there is something
wrong my degree and I had to go back and
take a miscellaneous class and.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I'm like, no, please, God, don't send me back to cossage.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think I could sit still for a minute
in any room.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean I try. I'm up and down here in
this room for two hours. I'm up at least fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You're like a ferret on speed. You know, you're really moving.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
All the ferrets as you put on speed.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm just telling you, this woman is on the move.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just am moving, Ethan. What do you have for
us today in your collection of cool things?
Speaker 9 (23:30):
Well, I thought since the Treasury officially ended production of
the penny after more than two hundred years of history
here in the United States on November twelfth this year,
they stopped production. So this is a numismatic antique. This
is the eighteen forty four model Penny from the United Kingdom,
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and this is the Victoria Monter.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Hold it up to the camera here.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's a little bit, yeah, little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I'm just yeah, there we go. That's perfect that way.
You can see it right up there in the camera.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's so cool, Ethan. How long have you had this
precious gem?
Speaker 9 (24:07):
And I've had this for a couple of years now.
This was produced between the years of eighteen forty four
and eighteen forty eight. It actually represents a pretty considerable
numismatic innovation because of the bi metallic nature here, I'll
hand that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Which was very rare in numismatics.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Yes, especially at that time. It was a kind of
a new innovation, and it was to address the weight
of the copper penny. Because these things were so heavy,
and the British Empire in the mid nineteenth century was
so large, it was a considerable expense just to be
lugging these things around. Kind of a similar problem that
the United States Treasury was attempting to address.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I remember as a kid, we all had those little
blue books, and we all had our penny collections, our
nickels and quarters, and I remember that everybody's dream was
to get to the nineteen oh nine Lincoln VDBS that was
the first of the pennies, nineteen oh nine, or the
Lincoln penny, sure, and we all dreamed of getting that.
We would go through tons and tons of pennies. Now
(25:06):
I hear that they're selling pennies on eBay because they
say they're not going to make pennies anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
And of course, the steel pennies during the.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
War years three steel penny. Yeah, those the size of
the copper penny.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
They are the exact same size, except they were pressed
out of steel because they needed copper for the war
effort for exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's got to be worth something for bullets, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
What there was for.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, that's got to be worth something if you've got
something like that, right.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I think any numismatics, I don't know if there's as
many knucklehead coin collectors as there used to be.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
There. There are still quite a lot of coin collectors,
but the name of the game is rarity. Everybody wants
the coin that nobody else can get. So the more
common the coins are, the less valuable they tend to be.
And they're still radio people, right, that's why we're paid
pennies on that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Pennies on you got that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
So this was made by the metallurgist Joseph Moore and
it was produced by his company, Joseph More Limited. Like
I said, between eighteen forty four and eighteen forty eight,
he was attempting to negotiate with the Treasury who or
I should say the Royal Mint, because they were trying
to explore different options with a penny at this time.
(26:21):
But he got a little bit too big for his breeches,
and he produced so many of these that they became
circulated in just around people's shops, and the Royal Mint
had to produce a decree that said, hey, we didn't
make these things. They're not official currency. But they were
very popular, and they ultimately went a different direction because
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he kind of.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Exceeded his station. We know how formal mid nineteenth century
Britain intended to be all.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, you got another coin there? What's this other coin?
Speaker 9 (26:51):
They're not supposed to be talking about that, Uncle Danny,
this came from Uncle Adolph.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I saw it and I thought, we coins are coins.
We can talk about history, no, no matter who the
knucklehead was. I mean, you've seen the coins from ancient Spain,
and you've seen the coins from Italy where we had
Mussolini and everybody else on it. Sure it's okay. So
is there a market for what we call obscene coins?
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Yea Nazi Germany, there are still there is still a
market for that. Of course, the market is limited because
you know that this stuff tends to make people uncomfortable
just the you know, even being associated with it. I
am intrigued because of the historical nature, and then we
can't forget the terrible atrocities that were committed during World
War Two? What do we do with an echo of history?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Real quick? I have an ancient Nazi dagger that my
great uncle Bob, who was in England at the time,
got from a from a German officer, and it's sort
of a paria in the family. My brother doesn't want it.
I've got it because it came from my dad and
I what do you do with stuff like that? Is
there a market for these things?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
There is a market, but it should all having antiques
like that. What I love about all antiques is they
tell a story, and ugly antiques like that force us
to confront the uglier parts of our history, so that
way we can learn and hopefully never repeat them again.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I might want to send that to the scrappers, well,
scrappers a lot of people.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
A lot of people have, but I will advise against
that because it actually increases the value of other antiques.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
For people who made a huge mistake when they did that.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
They had a public crushing ceremony for Ivory in Central
Park and it just increased the demand for ivory, but
in the process they smashed fabulous antiques, which was just
a shame, all.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Right before we let you go. So obviously we're not
making pennies anymore. How long does it take for a
penny then to become a collectible to where it is
there is a value or will it ever will we
ever see it?
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You're kind of gambling on that, especially with modern currency.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
There is a collectible market. Even for modern coins.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
People are, you know right now in the process of
hoarding pennies because of the back to give value. It's always
a game of rarity. The more there are, the less
they're worth. It's that works with coins.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's the formula right there.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, not the formula for people to Yeah, not my life.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
You want to be irreplaceable talent, which I hope to
be here on wib C because nobody's talk.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, good luck, You're a national.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Jam and I'll see in therapy.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Saturday Nights on the Circle with Evan Hatcher. It's the best.
Thank you friend, Thank you, appreciate you and Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Happy Thanksgiving you got you Coming.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Back Foot News with Kylon Tally After the break on
ninety three w IBC.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Ham Milton has coming to town. Hammilton is yes, Terry
sing along with me. You I'm not singing.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
This is a.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Thank you, thank you. You guys are so good for
Santa I appreciate you. But it is come into town
December two to fourteenth. You can get your tickets now
at Indianapolis dot Broadway dot com. This is the first
day with Stacy ninety three WIBC and we are celebrating
a new drink during our Food News today, up Bop
(30:09):
the duel at Dawn, a partnership between Sun King and
Broadway in Indianapolis for Hamilton coming to Indy for the
third time.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It's very similar to the defining gravity and popular drinks
that they had with their Wicked promotion. But we have
some friends here to talk about it. We have Broadway
in Indianapolis's Matt Porter here to help us out.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Matt Porter, Hi.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Thank you for coming back to Indianapolis to see us.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I love being and Sun King's marketing director April Fetz
and lead brewer Kelly Laud.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Kelly, we'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Tell us about this in your drink partnership.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Yeah, So Broadway Indianapolis came to Sun King again for
the twelfth thirteenth beer.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So it' said thirteenth beer.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thirteenth beer that we've made with them. So we kind
of dove back into what we thought maybe a colonial
founding father of beer would be, and we use some
kind of staple ingredients they would have had back in
those times.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And bats.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
No, we don't put bats in anything, but we did
corn and molasses and wheat, and we just kind of
came up with a nice, easy drinking mix between a
brown and an amber.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Good.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's delicious.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Good. Kind of looking for that colonial inspiration, did you
guys look up actual colonial recipes to get inspired by?
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Yeah, so we did. We tried to look up recipes.
We found a few, like kind of hints and nods
towards those things. But I actually went to the Library
of Congress when I was in Washington, DC and tried
to find a recipe, and I didn't end up finding it.
That room was closed on that day, but I got
my Library of Congress card and everything, so maybe someday
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I can look it up.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So then what goes next? You got the recipe, what
you want, how you want this to taste?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then then go then what do you do?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Yeah, we just we kind of go full full hog
and we just brew it. We just you know, we
don't even do trial batches. We're oh, we are very
confident in our abilities here at sun King's. So yeah,
so we just kind of, you know, go for it
and let the magic do its work.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So how do we get it? How do you get
this beer which is called Duel at Dawn?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, you can get any sun King location other than
the airport, I believe, so those will all be available.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So if you.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Guys who are drinking it at the show might find
yourself wanting another four pack or something, you can grab
it at the brewery or if you're not going to
the show, which I suggest you all should, but you
can get it just to try it and you know,
reminisce at home.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's kind of it means it's a great concept. Kylin,
she couldn't mate. It's really delicious, it really is. Then
do you once you once you create it, and then
then do you pass it on to Matthew and then
Matthew Porter?
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Well exactly, I'll work with April here on the marketing
side of things, and we have to get approval from
the show on the artwork, So like, this can is gorgeous.
This it is this like revolutionary like blue coat.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's a I believe it's a uniform of some sort, right, yeah, right, And.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
It looks like Hamilton's.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, it does look like Hamilton's.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
It's so like it's so cool it is and unique.
And you can get this can at the theater when
you're seeing the show, so you can drink your Duela
down while you're at Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You think it'll be a collector's item someday, I hope so,
because it really is just limited. You're only going to
do this for so long?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, how long?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Well, we've already made the one batch we were going
to plan on making.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So that's it. Yeah, while supplies last, while supplies last.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
But starting what date, starting on the twenty first and.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The twenty first of November, you'll be able to get
it in stores or locations.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Yeah, it'll just be at Sunking.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It'll just be at some Sunking locations, and then once
the show starts December second, then it will be at
the Mirror.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Are you excited about Hamilton? How many times Matthew Porter
have you seen Hamilton.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
I've only I think I've seen it three or four times.
I really I love the show. I love the entire show,
but I love the first act like more than the
entire show. So like, I've seen the first act probably
like ten times.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
April, And have you seen the show?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Have you seen Hamilton?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Seen it live?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So yeah, big right, I'm trying to get those tickets.
It's pretty cool, April. You've seen it, Kelly.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Oh yeah, no, I've seen it. I actually saw it
last year. I actually I won tickets through the lottery
last year. So my wife and I got to go
and we were in like the sixth row or something
like that, and.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You loved it, just as it's all the hype.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know. Sometimes we hear highe pipe pipe, and then
we go to see something and we're like, well, I
don't get it.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
And speaking of lottery, the ham for Ham Lottery begin
will begin on the twenty first tomorrow, okay, and folks
can go to our Facebook page or our Instagram feed
to find out how to download the app and enter
the lottery.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, all right, got it, you know, but we've got
more to come. We still have MJ the Musical, the
Whiz Clue, Beauty and the Beast still to come this season?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Did I forget anybody?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And Juliet Oh and JULIETT.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes that's the last one. Yep, that'll be the last one.
But this season has started. This is I mean, it.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Is starting and here we go starting big.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It's starting big. Indianapolistop Broadway dot com. Get your tickets
and again also the lottery.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Good luck. Don't throw at your shot on this one
and you will be satisfied with this drink.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Go get it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Okay, Hey, listen, everybody, Well, thank you. You're part of
our our family, and we're grateful for every one of you.
We hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday. Family friends,
Everybody be safe. Don't throw stuff down the garbage disposal.
Don't leave the food out for the dog. No chocolate,
no grapes, no onions.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Try not to get a rest.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thanksgiving, Gotty, Thanksgiving, Everybody,
Good afternoon, Welcome to the first day ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm glad you're here. Thanks for watching us on YouTube.
Both of you.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Now that's not true.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
That is discrediting to all of everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, I mean, I don't know who's there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I usually just figure it's my mom and maybe my
sister watching. It's Sunday, it's before a colds game. I
figure people are busy Thanksgiving week. Many of you are
traveling over the next few days.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm Terry. That's Danny Dinny Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good morning, don't.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Forget happy Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, we'll be with you on Thanksgiving Day. I don't
know what time.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They haven't given us our time yet, but we'll be
here with you on Thanksgiving morning as you're getting set
for family and friends and cooking and all that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Listen, there's a lot. We're just gonna be just a very.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Short segment because we're going to talk a little bit
about redistricting coming up, which just this makes me crazy,
but we're going to do it anyway. For the first
time in the United States music history, an AI generated
country song called Walk My Way by Breaking Rust has
reached number one on the Billboard Country Digital Song Sales Chart.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So how you feel about that, Well, let me.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Let me, let me play a little bit for you,
and would you know, I guess this is my question.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Then beat down, but I don't stay.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Now that sounds like Kevi.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Got mud on my jean, still ready to go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I would never know, not a million years.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Never scar a story that I survived. I've been through hell,
but I'm still alive. They sit slow down, boy, don't
go too fast. But I ain't never been one to
live in the past. I keep moving forward and never
looking back, with the worn out at and serious.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
If AI created the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
If you don't like.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It, I think that's a good song.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The thing about AIS, it's a language model, and it
can pick up every little nuance of voice, texture and music.
You know, it already knows what a picardy third is.
I mean, we don't have to do that in our
heads with music.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Country stars are pretty angry about this. But country stars
have said, you know what, AI can do these the
music and stuff, but they sure can't tour and come
and visit you, you know, in your city, in your town.
They can't come and do a show for.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You, well, Terry. Even on our trade Kylin. You know,
if I screw up on a spot and I'm out
one or two words fixed, I'm ready and willing. They're
on the farm to recut it. But they say, no,
we got this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's quick, it's quicker.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It may fix.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's just quicker.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Then you going and laying down the words, and then
I mean, it's just quicker. And because of that song,
another data center has been put up.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So I think that's what the frustration is. It takes
so much energy and it's just using all of the
talent that we already set for it to be AI.
It's AI's town.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Our personalities are neutered. They absorb all of our personalities
and they create whatever they want or need or they
think that the audience is expecting. Yeah, And I don't
know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I know it, I know it.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But it's number one on Billboard in country AI or
not AI got country Digital, which I guess is that
a whole new category.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Or I guess it might as well be at this point.
Come on. Although AI bands are in the talks right now,
so we'll keep an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Where do they get their statistics. They get them from YouTube?
Do they get them from Spotify? Do they get them
from streaming? How do they know what's first?
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't know. Well, you know what, I don't know.
I'm sure that they have. Probably they used to be
able to take our radios. The AI put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And now the AI, just as we knew, is coming
for us, and it's making it number one because it can.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, we are already a AI. I mean, if you're
watching us on YouTube, those are AI generated images. That's
not us.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I wish smith.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I wish because I would probably look maybe I would
look better, you know, But no, AI has decided.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Isn't that where the filters started?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh my gosh, there's so.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Easy with you.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I have something nicer for the Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, there, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
There are so many stories that I wanted to get
to today and I know. But there was a conversation
about nurses and some of the professions that have been declassified.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And according to Trump and the Education Secretary, they did.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Right and taking away maybe some of that money, getting
lesser loans. And there's been quite a fury among nurses
in particular on this and whether that's There are two
different sides to this, whether it's a setback or it's
not letting nurses be put into a category where they're
going to be paying lots of money for these loans,
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paying for the rest of their lives. If that's for you.
I'm so torn on this because I don't know which
which it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I don't have enough information to make a decision. But
when they do things like this, it does open up
the profession to a lot more people. Yeah, and that
might be what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Terry, Well, I don't know, but I know we need
you desperately, nurses, and you're still our heroes, I know,
said many of them said. Look, we were all your
heroes here at during COVID, and now it feels like
we're being put into a The Department of Education is
redefining which academic programs qualify for professional degree loan limits.
(05:24):
There's a lot to it, but they're defining which programs
can access the highest federal borrowing limits. So those limits
now are now available and reserved just for doctors, dentists, lawyers, pharmacist, veterinarians,
and a few others. But nurses were not added to
(05:46):
that high limit category.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
As a financial advisor, I'm all for lowering debt limits
because people are coming out of well, I had a
physician that came out of med school with seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars in that you want to put
a limit on it just to protect them a little.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Wit well, And I think another question is why do
nurses need to pay anybody?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, why is school so expensive?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Because schools, I know, we got to go, we got
to take a club and we're in a club, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But coming up, that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm sure that there will be There will be lots
of discussion this week too, and also on redistricting and
so much more coming up.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But we're going to talk about it too.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And it's an interesting perspective coming from doctor Wilson who's
a professor at You Indy. She'll join us next. You'll
hear that conversation. Ninety three WIBC. Ninety three WIBC. It
is Terry Stacey. Listen.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
This discussion of redistricting.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Has been going on now for three months and we
are where we are at this very moment.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Most of you are up to date. You know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I thought that we would speak to doctor Laura Maryfield Wilson.
She's an associate professor of political science at the University
of Indianapolis and Kylin.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
She's also been the host.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Of Recenter Indiana, hosted some redistricting listening sessions, and doctor
Laura she participated and hosted a redistricting information and educational
part of this listening session to get people kind of
caught up with where we're at and why these conversations
are happening.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I think it was important, and from that we
have learned that the majority of those that were part
of these listening sessions says, no, we don't want to
do this now. This is there's so many other important issues.
But doctor Wilson, I won't keep you up but a
few minutes because I know you're somewhere on this Sunday
morning with with kids.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I thank you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I am doing well and it is my pleasure. I
always love talking about politics, and you what my kids
don't like hearing about it.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I'm glad I'm talk.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
With you this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, President Trump and the Republicans line of argument is
that Democrats have jerrymandered current maps so badly that it's
time for Republicans to do the same. But history really
shows that both parts these are guilty of doing this,
And my question is how is this even legal?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Well, it's crazy to start with, and you're you're absolutely right.
I want to emphasize both parties can and will jerrymander
when they have the opportunity to, and we've seen that
throughout literal decades of drawing the district lines. But our
state legislature in Indiana has a legal constitutional authority to
redraw them, so they have that power. The real question,
(08:27):
and this is probably what you were asking me, you said,
is this legal? How could it be? Is whether or
not they have the opportunity to do it in these
off cycle years. So we always redistrict just because we
recognize that population grows and as shifts, but you don't
typically see it when we haven't had a census for
five years. And that's the real question. There is constitutional
arguments with regards to Indiana Constitution in eighteen fifty one
(08:48):
whether or not it is permissible, and I will say
I'm not a constitutional lawyer in that regard. It would
certainly come down to the courts if we did ultimately
pursue redistricting at the doesn't look like our state will.
But there's a lot of questions about there. There's a
lot of questions about the legal and constitutional authority specifically
here for Indiana. Every state utilizes a different process, but
(09:11):
for us, it's not clear. That's why I would just
emphasize it is not clear whether or not it would
be legal or constitutional. I think that should really be
of interest and concern for all Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Kilan redistricting is normal, it happens every ten years, but
with this mid decade redistricting, can you talk through the
pros and cons of it so we're all on level
ground with why this conversation even is happening.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, the real benefit would be drawing those
district lines in a way that's going to benefit the
majority party. And in Indiana, we're talking about our state
legislature doing the redrawing, and we're talking about the congressional districts,
So this would benefit the Republican party. Right now, the
Republicans enjoy unified government, meaning they hold both chambers of Congress,
(09:54):
that's the House in the Senate, and they have the presidency,
but in order to pass legislation, a lot of times
people think unified government is better. It's easier because you
have a majority in all chambers. So that's a real
benefit for the Republicans that are looking to do this
right now. And there is nationally this issue where you're
looking at Texas re drew five congressional districts to favor
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the Republicans. Well, California did the same thing with five
districts to favor the Democrats. So in terms of state
wide issues, in the push within a state, it's like, look,
these states are doing it, and they're favoring the other side.
So that's a large reason for the argument in terms
of favoring redistricting. But there's also a strong pushback and
we've seen a lot of public opinion polls that indicate
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a slight majority of Hoosiers don't support redistricting, and in
large part because it costs money, it takes time, this
isn't something we normally do. But I also think there's
an important argument in terms of precedent and when we
think of changing the rules, the rules impact the game.
But if you change the rules to benefit your team
this time around, you have irresolably changed the rules that
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might benefit the other team. And in this case, I'm
talking about political parties. So there is a very slippery
slope that I know some folks that are very concerned with.
If we did this now, what's not to say we
wouldn't do this again two years from now, and then
three years from now, and then anytime we could or
wanted to, or just on a whim. And I mentioned
the cost. There's a cost in terms of time, right,
there's also a physical financial cost, and the estimates are
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between a quarter of a million to a half a
million dollars. But there's a lot of stuff going on
in our state. There's a lot of places you want
to spend money, and some opponents say this just isn't
a place where they want to put that investment.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, you know, has there ever been any talk of
let's stop this, you know, let's stop doing this, Let's
not make this something that we are able to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm sure probably not right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
This is something that will continue on until maybe somebody says,
let's stop doing this, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Specific to the fact that our state legislators get to
draw the district lines. In some states, they don't. That's
part of why California had Proposition fifty on the ballot
two weeks ago, because their state legislature does not have
that authority. That question comes up, right and like, hey,
should we do this? Should we maybe we should reconsider it?
And I will say that the difficulty is that in
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order to change that, it would have to go through legislators.
So you would be asking the very people who have
that power. And not only do our legislators draw congressional districts,
they draw their own districts. You'd be asking them to
give up that authority. I think we can all understand
why that would be very tricky, that'd be difficult. I
will say states like California have done it that. California
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is obviously culturally very different, I think politically couldn't be
more different than us. So while the questions come up,
we have not come up with a new idea, a
new solution, a new way to address it in our state.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
At least, this is.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Not necessarily a fun discussion, and it's not fun for
the politicians, I'm sure either.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, now it's become dangerous now.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Exactly to the point where Indiana State Senator Greg Good
he was involved in the swatting incident a week ago
after President Trump had posted his truth social comments about
his opposition to the redistricting efforts. And I feel like
this political division is within every topic, even this, I
would say relatively superficial topic of redistricting. Have you seen
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this ever before in past times?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
With No, I haven't, Like I was full stop mic
drop no. And I think it's really concerning. First of all,
any type of threat of violence, intimidation. We've seen these
swatting incidences. We've heard of people saying, well, you know,
their families have been threatened. And when you think of
public service, I recognize there will be a lot of
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political issues, a lot of things people don't agree with,
but to have it come down to this, and when
we see it fairly rampantly, I've been keeping track. I
think we're talking about almost a dozen legislators, plus the governor,
plus the city county councilor as public and importance said hey,
I've had these threats against myself and my family. No,
it's it's unb believable to start with, to my understand
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my nods, unprecedented. Haven't seen it. And I think the
worst thing From my perspective about this is it's not
mean it shouldn't be a political issue.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
We typically redistrict every ten years because we know it's
it's that population growth and shifts, and yeah, we want
to account for that. We want to make sure our
districts are abortion in terms of population. But this is
not We're not talking about abortion or immigration, We're not
talking about terrorists, right, really important political issues. This is
a partisan issue. I think when you're when you're considering that,
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it's all the more upsetting. And political violence is always upsetting,
but it is all the more upsetting to see that
come about. And I think a lot of people this
could be that wake up moment where like, really, is
this what our politics would come down to you? Because
if your politics call you to insight violence, you need
to check your politics.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, this has been quite a teaching moment for you.
This is what you do.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
She's an associate professor of political science at the University
of Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
This has been a a big teaching moment. This has
been a discussion.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm assuming that even the young people are interested in
are learning more about you know.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
They are, And I have to say, if there was
any silver lining to it, that is absolutely it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It is fun to.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
See students get engaged and follow and it connects to
so many different concepts that are important in terms of
an American democracy. We have representatives, we select them, but
how how do they get selected within in terms of
districts and constituents and things. And I will say I
think it is important, especially for young people, when you
have these kind of headlines I think generally an easy
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topic to understand, although I understand very devisive, it's good
they start to pay attention. And I hope that with
younger people see especially in terms of the political violence,
is like, Okay, that's something that can happen, We're not
going to do that, right. We can counter that where
that's that's not acceptable, that is not okay, that's not
permissible in a healthy democracy. But also they see the
value of their vote, their voice, and they can make
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the connection in terms of what we're talking about in
class and then hey, let's let's well look what's going
on right now in our kind.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
That is a wonderful point because I've heard a lot
of comments about that what does my voice actually mean
to these votes, to what is happening in the.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Political world feels like that nobody's listening to that's in politics,
that our leaders are listening to their constituents, the people
that put them in that job.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's what it feels like. But from a young person's perspective.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Kylan, absolutely, And how much do we actually mean as
constituents to their votes?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I think quite a bit. And again maybe this is
the second silver lining. Look at this. We're finding all sorts.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of positive out of what.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Can be a really negative topic. What I heard from
so many legislators. We see their press releases right their statements,
they say I have heard from my constituents. My constituents
tell me. Now, I think it's important to know because
I can certainly anyone can feel disheartened about you know,
is your representative listening to you. It doesn't mean your
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one single phone call or your email or your mean
tweet is going to change hearts in mind, but I
do believe legislators listen. And I think there's also an
important part of it where it's like, hey, get your
friends together to educate people, right, tell people do they
know this is going on? Have them reach out because
legislator's job security is reelection. So They very much are
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dependent on constituent opinions. Sometimes there's different leadership theories, some
styles where they have to defy what their constituents want
for what they believe is best, and constituents can punish them.
They have, they have re elected and they have chosen
to elect other people. I do think this example, especially
with regards to Indiana politics, has shown us that legislators
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are listening, they are paying attention. They may not be
that they do everything you want the same way you
want it every single time. I do feel that it illustrates, though,
how constituents have a voice and how representatives are very
interested in making sure that they are representing the whole
of their constituency, the whole of their district understanding, of course,
is never going to be one hundred percent wants anything.
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But they are responsive, they're listening, and they're processing what
they hear from their constituents.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Doctor Laura Merrifield Wilson. She is the Associate professor of
political science at Undy and the host of Positivity Politics
on WICR eighty eight seven The Diamond. If you want
to hear those conversations she had as part of the
Recenter redistricting listening sessions. You can go to Indiana citizen
dot org to hear all of that and more. Thank
you again, Laura. And coming up, we've got some show
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and tell.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's about Tom Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Some Ethan Hatcher coming to the studio next ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Good afternoon, It's twelve thirty six Terry Stacy along with
Denny Smith and Kylin Taling. You know Denny and Kylin,
we were talking earlier about what the Department of Education
has come out and said what they want to stop,
and what they want to stop are colleges from charging
whatever they want, students from borrowing unlimited amounts of any
master's program, massive debt from schools with poor cost to
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salary outcomes. So they created a small, tightly defined professional
category with higher loan limits, mostly programs that require doctorate
level training and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Who was not on that list are graduate nurses. Our nurses.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Our nurses then were taken off of this list, and
it caused quite a stir among the nursing profession and
healthcare professionals.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Hi Ethan Hatcher, Hey, when.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It comes to getting those that next degree, that higher degree.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Nursing program should just be a two year degree.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Though well, but you also want to Oftentimes because of
the nursing shortage, because doctor shortage was well, nurses are
doing more and they need that higher education. I talked
to this fantastic lady during the break India owens, and
I wanted to hear what she has to say.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Go ahead and play this Kylon.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
India is with us? In India is a nurse? India,
explain to me what this all means.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Taking the professionalism out of the title in nurse mostly
effects nurses who are wanting to continue their education to
get their master's degree or their doctorate degree or their PhD.
Some nurse scientists need a PhD to teach. We need
a master's degree or a DNP. And so what this
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does is it chokes off the ability for us to
teach the number of students we need to become nurses.
Because if there are not enough educators, and there are
not enough educators today, so and this happens, and I
can't afford the education to get my doctorate or my
master's degree, then there's no teachers left. I am sixty
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seven years old and I teach us an adjunct professor
at I use school in nursing. That's my retirement job,
my gift back job, so that when I need a
nurse in a couple of years, there'll be one there.
And so this severely limits not only everyone's ability to
advance their just but also it significantly impacts underserved people nurses,
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men and women who want to go on to that
doctorate level or that scientific PhD level, and those PhDs
do nursing research. So how do we get better at
what we do? We want to have studies to do
the evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Were you shocked to hear this news?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I was very shocked. Yes, I was, because we have
been talking about the nursing shortage for years, Terry and
lobbying in Washington, d C for help to get more
educators in the pipeline so that we can bring more
nurses on board and to get this it's like that
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nobody was listening apparently, so it's very frustrating.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's Indy. I spoke to her a little bit ago.
She as you heard, as a nurse, she's a professor.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But again the Department of Education redefining which academic programs
qualify for that professional degree loan limits, and they are
not defining which jobs are professional careers. So this is
you know again, I'm grateful to hear from the nurses.
We love you, We're grateful to you. You still are
our heroes. You are our heroes. And I know this
is a shock to many of you. As I watched
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social media last night when the word came out, the
number of those in healthcare professions has said, ah, this
is not good. So we get a little bit of
a taste from it from India what it's like as
a nurse in hearing that news. Ethan Hatcher is here,
and ladies and gentlemen, it's time for first day Show
and Tell with Ethan Hatcher. Who you hear on Saturday
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nights Right here, Saturday Nights on the Circle, WIBC High.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Ethan, Hey, Terry, Denny and Kylan. Happy to be here again.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I know you wanted to be a surgical nurse. But
this probably now that you've heard, you probably are out.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, you know, I was really aching for that. To
go back to college, you know, no joke.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
I used to have nightmares about having to go back
to college. I would like imagine that there is something
wrong my degree and I had to go back and
take a miscellaneous class and.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I'm like, no, please, God, don't send me back to cossage.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think I could sit still for a minute
in any room.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I mean I try. I'm up and down here in
this room for two hours. I'm up at least fifteen times.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You're like a ferret on speed. You know, you're really moving.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
All the ferrets as you put on speed.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I'm just telling you, this woman is on the move.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just am moving, Ethan. What do you have for
us today in your collection of cool things?
Speaker 9 (23:30):
Well, I thought since the Treasury officially ended production of
the penny after more than two hundred years of history
here in the United States on November twelfth this year,
they stopped production. So this is a numismatic antique. This
is the eighteen forty four model Penny from the United Kingdom,
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and this is the Victoria Monter.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Hold it up to the camera here.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's a little bit, yeah, little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I'm just yeah, there we go. That's perfect that way.
You can see it right up there in the camera.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's so cool, Ethan. How long have you had this
precious gem?
Speaker 9 (24:07):
And I've had this for a couple of years now.
This was produced between the years of eighteen forty four
and eighteen forty eight. It actually represents a pretty considerable
numismatic innovation because of the bi metallic nature here, I'll
hand that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Which was very rare in numismatics.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Yes, especially at that time. It was a kind of
a new innovation, and it was to address the weight
of the copper penny. Because these things were so heavy,
and the British Empire in the mid nineteenth century was
so large, it was a considerable expense just to be
lugging these things around. Kind of a similar problem that
the United States Treasury was attempting to address.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I remember as a kid, we all had those little
blue books, and we all had our penny collections, our
nickels and quarters, and I remember that everybody's dream was
to get to the nineteen oh nine Lincoln VDBS that was
the first of the pennies, nineteen oh nine, or the
Lincoln penny, sure, and we all dreamed of getting that.
We would go through tons and tons of pennies. Now
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I hear that they're selling pennies on eBay because they
say they're not going to make pennies anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
And of course, the steel pennies during the.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
War years three steel penny. Yeah, those the size of
the copper penny.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
They are the exact same size, except they were pressed
out of steel because they needed copper for the war
effort for exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's got to be worth something for bullets, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
What there was for.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, that's got to be worth something if you've got
something like that, right.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I think any numismatics, I don't know if there's as
many knucklehead coin collectors as there used to be.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
There. There are still quite a lot of coin collectors,
but the name of the game is rarity. Everybody wants
the coin that nobody else can get. So the more
common the coins are, the less valuable they tend to be.
And they're still radio people, right, that's why we're paid
pennies on that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Pennies on you got that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
So this was made by the metallurgist Joseph Moore and
it was produced by his company, Joseph More Limited. Like
I said, between eighteen forty four and eighteen forty eight,
he was attempting to negotiate with the Treasury who or
I should say the Royal Mint, because they were trying
to explore different options with a penny at this time.
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But he got a little bit too big for his breeches,
and he produced so many of these that they became
circulated in just around people's shops, and the Royal Mint
had to produce a decree that said, hey, we didn't
make these things. They're not official currency. But they were
very popular, and they ultimately went a different direction because
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he kind of.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Exceeded his station. We know how formal mid nineteenth century
Britain intended to be all.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Right, you got another coin there? What's this other coin?
Speaker 9 (26:51):
They're not supposed to be talking about that, Uncle Danny,
this came from Uncle Adolph.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I saw it and I thought, we coins are coins.
We can talk about history, no, no matter who the
knucklehead was. I mean, you've seen the coins from ancient Spain,
and you've seen the coins from Italy where we had
Mussolini and everybody else on it. Sure it's okay. So
is there a market for what we call obscene coins?
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Yea Nazi Germany, there are still there is still a
market for that. Of course, the market is limited because
you know that this stuff tends to make people uncomfortable
just the you know, even being associated with it. I
am intrigued because of the historical nature, and then we
can't forget the terrible atrocities that were committed during World
War Two? What do we do with an echo of history?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Real quick? I have an ancient Nazi dagger that my
great uncle Bob, who was in England at the time,
got from a from a German officer, and it's sort
of a paria in the family. My brother doesn't want it.
I've got it because it came from my dad and
I what do you do with stuff like that? Is
there a market for these things?
Speaker 9 (27:54):
There is a market, but it should all having antiques
like that. What I love about all antiques is they
tell a story, and ugly antiques like that force us
to confront the uglier parts of our history, so that
way we can learn and hopefully never repeat them again.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I might want to send that to the scrappers, well,
scrappers a lot of people.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
A lot of people have, but I will advise against
that because it actually increases the value of other antiques.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
For people who made a huge mistake when they did that.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
They had a public crushing ceremony for Ivory in Central
Park and it just increased the demand for ivory, but
in the process they smashed fabulous antiques, which was just
a shame, all.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Right before we let you go. So obviously we're not
making pennies anymore. How long does it take for a
penny then to become a collectible to where it is
there is a value or will it ever will we
ever see it?
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You're kind of gambling on that, especially with modern currency.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
There is a collectible market. Even for modern coins.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
People are, you know right now in the process of
hoarding pennies because of the back to give value. It's always
a game of rarity. The more there are, the less
they're worth. It's that works with coins.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's the formula right there.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, not the formula for people to Yeah, not my life.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
You want to be irreplaceable talent, which I hope to
be here on wib C because nobody's talk.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, good luck, You're a national.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Jam and I'll see in therapy.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Saturday Nights on the Circle with Evan Hatcher. It's the best.
Thank you friend, Thank you, appreciate you and Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Happy Thanksgiving you got you Coming.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Back Foot News with Kylon Tally After the break on
ninety three w IBC.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Ham Milton has coming to town. Hammilton is yes, Terry
sing along with me. You I'm not singing.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
This is a.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Thank you, thank you. You guys are so good for
Santa I appreciate you. But it is come into town
December two to fourteenth. You can get your tickets now
at Indianapolis dot Broadway dot com. This is the first
day with Stacy ninety three WIBC and we are celebrating
a new drink during our Food News today, up Bop
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the duel at Dawn, a partnership between Sun King and
Broadway in Indianapolis for Hamilton coming to Indy for the
third time.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It's very similar to the defining gravity and popular drinks
that they had with their Wicked promotion. But we have
some friends here to talk about it. We have Broadway
in Indianapolis's Matt Porter here to help us out.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Matt Porter, Hi.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Thank you for coming back to Indianapolis to see us.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I love being and Sun King's marketing director April Fetz
and lead brewer Kelly Laud.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Kelly, we'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Tell us about this in your drink partnership.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Yeah, So Broadway Indianapolis came to Sun King again for
the twelfth thirteenth beer.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So it' said thirteenth beer.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thirteenth beer that we've made with them. So we kind
of dove back into what we thought maybe a colonial
founding father of beer would be, and we use some
kind of staple ingredients they would have had back in
those times.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And bats.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
No, we don't put bats in anything, but we did
corn and molasses and wheat, and we just kind of
came up with a nice, easy drinking mix between a
brown and an amber.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Good.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's delicious.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Good. Kind of looking for that colonial inspiration, did you
guys look up actual colonial recipes to get inspired by?
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Yeah, so we did. We tried to look up recipes.
We found a few, like kind of hints and nods
towards those things. But I actually went to the Library
of Congress when I was in Washington, DC and tried
to find a recipe, and I didn't end up finding it.
That room was closed on that day, but I got
my Library of Congress card and everything, so maybe someday
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I can look it up.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So then what goes next? You got the recipe, what
you want, how you want this to taste?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Then then go then what do you do?
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Yeah, we just we kind of go full full hog
and we just brew it. We just you know, we
don't even do trial batches. We're oh, we are very
confident in our abilities here at sun King's. So yeah,
so we just kind of, you know, go for it
and let the magic do its work.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So how do we get it? How do you get
this beer which is called Duel at Dawn?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, you can get any sun King location other than
the airport, I believe, so those will all be available.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So if you.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Guys who are drinking it at the show might find
yourself wanting another four pack or something, you can grab
it at the brewery or if you're not going to
the show, which I suggest you all should, but you
can get it just to try it and you know,
reminisce at home.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's kind of it means it's a great concept. Kylin,
she couldn't mate. It's really delicious, it really is. Then
do you once you once you create it, and then
then do you pass it on to Matthew and then
Matthew Porter?
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Well exactly, I'll work with April here on the marketing
side of things, and we have to get approval from
the show on the artwork, So like, this can is gorgeous.
This it is this like revolutionary like blue coat.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's a I believe it's a uniform of some sort, right, yeah, right, And.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
It looks like Hamilton's.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, it does look like Hamilton's.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
It's so like it's so cool it is and unique.
And you can get this can at the theater when
you're seeing the show, so you can drink your Duela
down while you're at Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You think it'll be a collector's item someday, I hope so,
because it really is just limited. You're only going to
do this for so long?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, how long?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Well, we've already made the one batch we were going
to plan on making.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So that's it. Yeah, while supplies last, while supplies last.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
But starting what date, starting on the twenty first and.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The twenty first of November, you'll be able to get
it in stores or locations.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
Yeah, it'll just be at Sunking.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It'll just be at some Sunking locations, and then once
the show starts December second, then it will be at
the Mirror.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Are you excited about Hamilton? How many times Matthew Porter
have you seen Hamilton.
Speaker 10 (34:00):
I've only I think I've seen it three or four times.
I really I love the show. I love the entire show,
but I love the first act like more than the
entire show. So like, I've seen the first act probably
like ten times.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
April, And have you seen the show?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Have you seen Hamilton?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Seen it live?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So yeah, big right, I'm trying to get those tickets.
It's pretty cool, April. You've seen it, Kelly.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Oh yeah, no, I've seen it. I actually saw it
last year. I actually I won tickets through the lottery
last year. So my wife and I got to go
and we were in like the sixth row or something
like that, and.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
You loved it, just as it's all the hype.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know. Sometimes we hear highe pipe pipe, and then
we go to see something and we're like, well, I
don't get it.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
And speaking of lottery, the ham for Ham Lottery begin
will begin on the twenty first tomorrow, okay, and folks
can go to our Facebook page or our Instagram feed
to find out how to download the app and enter
the lottery.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, all right, got it, you know, but we've got
more to come. We still have MJ the Musical, the
Whiz Clue, Beauty and the Beast still to come this season?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Did I forget anybody?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
And Juliet Oh and JULIETT.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes that's the last one. Yep, that'll be the last one.
But this season has started. This is I mean, it.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Is starting and here we go starting big.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It's starting big. Indianapolistop Broadway dot com. Get your tickets
and again also the lottery.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Good luck. Don't throw at your shot on this one
and you will be satisfied with this drink.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Go get it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Okay, Hey, listen, everybody, Well, thank you. You're part of
our our family, and we're grateful for every one of you.
We hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday. Family friends,
Everybody be safe. Don't throw stuff down the garbage disposal.
Don't leave the food out for the dog. No chocolate,
no grapes, no onions.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Try not to get a rest.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thanksgiving, Gotty, Thanksgiving, Everybody,
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