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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, good morning and welcome, welcome. It is eleven o
six and this is the first day show. I'm glad
you're here. We are in our beautiful studios on Monument
Circle broadcasting to you. I'm Terry Stacey along with Denny Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And it's not gonna be ill. Thank you, Terry. And
it's not gonna be too much longer. We're going to
be here with this beautiful view.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
This is it. This is our last day.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Here, is this our last day?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Next week we'll be on a remote. Oh, this is
our last Sunday to get well in this building.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What do you think of that? Kai?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We better enjoy it. Well, it lasts count.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Every minute count.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
We got to see the tree lighting from here.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's my sure did.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's what I'm thankful for this year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Better than the folks on Channel thirteen.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I hope you'll have a holiday.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
They cut off at the.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
They sure did.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Had some had some glitches, had some troubles and uh yeah,
we didn't get to see the actual flipping of the switch.
But it's prominently located on their WTHR dot com website,
right in the front, so you can missed it. You
can watch it there. Missy travel day, and of course
the snowy weather making headlines for sure, and it's really
pretty out there. My trip in wasn't bad. Year's dinny
from Hamilton County going.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Home yesterday was a little tricky. Coming in today was nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Kylin you okay?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, the slush last night after the zoo, that was
a lot, but today was good. No ice that I
ran in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of people don't know. Kylin is an actress
at the zoo and you are the Wicked Witch of
the Whip of Ice.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Princess for Christmas at the zoo.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, Christmas at the Zoo, which continues on. She's
not there today, but she'll be back again there next week.
Looking at flight ware, it looks like total delays today
at the Innianapolis International Airport because it is a huge
travel day. Forty nine delays today, not bad. Total cancelations
as of right now about seven, but looking at around
the country there have been many. So I'm sure that
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you all know the routine and are checking and getting
texts and if you do have any cancelations, but you
know how that is the domino effect and everything kind
of messes up. So I hope you have a safe
travels home, whatever you're doing. High school football champions. Congratulations
to newpal Brown's Cascades, South Putnam, Andrean and Fort Wayne Dwinger.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I feel bad for wet Westfield had a chance,
and then Brownsburg dis rolled, and once Brownsburg starts to rolling,
it's it's all over in that. But my Rocks are
out there and they got their red ribbons, and they
were a bunch of sad boys yesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Denny's got a teer in his.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't have a tear in my eye. I just
know how hard those kids work.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Of course they did. Congratulations to all of them. Downtown
is busy. We've got tailgating going on. You are hardy
Hoosiers and you're doing it well, you're doing it. It's
Downtown is a little bit busier now as we get
closer to the one o'clock kickoff, our eight and three
Colts take on the six and five Texans there in
town at Lucasoil Stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And we love when people stop by.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
A guy.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Relford, the gun guy, just stopped by on his way
over and now we get to see the guy that
really makes it all happen right here on Monument Circle,
I'm talking about the circle of lights. His gang of
three hundred ball in tears and their families come down here.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's a it's not a club.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Jeff Wheeler, the business manager, making a stop by to
see us.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Hi, Jeff, good morning.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm good. He's got such a great voice. Didn't he
got a radio voice? He does?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Congratulations. Everything went well as far as the lighting. Actually,
all everything lit up and it was fantastic.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Yes, I'm glad. I'm glad. They came on like they
were supposed to. It's always that's always concerned when you're
staying on stage.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know what, when they throw the switch, everybody thinks
it's an electronic thing. Actually it's a walkie talking and
you tell them to throw.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The take the magic away.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I didn't take the magic away. I told him I
think that.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Switch is really working, so I don't take that away.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
First, what they do upset? Now they tickle the reindeer.
The reindeer kicked their feet and they hit the switch.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
There's no reindeer, so you don't have any of it, right,
stop it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, we're dealing with electricians here. Okay. I'm a respected plumber.
I'm not going to take anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Our thanks to everybody that makes that happen and the
Downtown India Alliance and the IBW for eighty one, all
the volunteers in their families. It's really one of my
favorite days is Installation Day. Had a gorgeous Installation Day
and again thousands of people came back downtown the day
after Thanksgiving, Black Friday, and about six thirty everybody gathers IVW. Guys,
(04:19):
you're everywhere, but a lot of you have a tradition
to go to a hotel, don't you.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Yeah. We take over the top floor of the Sheridan,
the basement of the Sheridan, and the pool deck of
the Sheridan. End up with about twenty two hundred people
down there, right, I think, tell ya.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What can you see from the basement? Now I'm talking
slow for an electrician, But what's in the basement.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Well, the basement is for the younger generation, all the kids. Okay,
down in the basement, we start rocking it out. We
have music down there, there's a dance floor, they have
face painting saying it comes around and the kids go
down there and they just have a ball.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I want to be part of this club.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
There's a lot of jokes about electricians, but that's not
one of them. That's not one of them. I'm glad
you can down. Terry and I have been talking for
some time about kids going to college, running up debt
and everything. Of course, I grew up as a plumber son,
a plumber's grandson, and we were expected to work when
we were in high school, and even on spring breaks
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we were expected to work, and I learned a trade.
Later on, I went back to college. But there's a
lot to be said for just avoiding college. You can
still get that right of passage in the trades.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Oh, you absolutely can. I'm a product of the early eighties.
I graduated high school back then, and they told all
of us we had to go to college. Yeah, and
they did. They pushed all of us the other ones.
Did you have a computer science degree and or accounting degree?
And so a lot of us went, and trades were
never discussed. The trades were never discussed where I went
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to high school.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Parents, Terry, and you know this. Parents don't think of
their kids as becoming plumbers with plungers. They think of
their kids as doctors and lawyers and very sophisticated accountants.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Because that's where the money's going to come financially. But
the money really does come in the trades.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But see, they saw grandpa. They saw Grandpa working in
the trades, and he came home tired, he came home
beat up and dirty, and every day he ground through that.
And they just said, I hope Junior doesn't have to
do that, or I hope little miss doesn't have to
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, but now now it is really and I do
want to talk about this. And Dinny, did you really
have a question you were going for?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I was, I was going to I was setting him up.
We got a couple of seconds, taking a minute. No, no, no, no,
I'm setting him up. He's an electrician. Okay, I'll take
my time with this one. You go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, Jeff and I had a conversation about more women
that are are saying, hey, I want to get into
the trades, whatever that may be. And you've really made
it you and your brain and your smart brain said, well,
we've got to figure out ways to make them want
to come to this trade.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Oh yeah, women started joining our trade back in the seventies.
But when I started nineteen ninety, you just didn't see
that many of them. And over the last few years
we made a push to have more women join us,
and they came and they came.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But now, but now, when you're taking steps to make changes,
you're including the women, and when you're thinking about your changes,
including things like maternity leave.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yes, that's something that up until last year, the ladies
in our trade had never had. They'd never had maternity.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It was pretty impressive and it caught all of the
trades off guard. I mean that basically you could go
have your family and then you can come back to
the trades. When you guys took a different you really
caught the world by surprise.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
We did. But it was necessary. I have a lot
of young ladies that are child bearing years that they're
going to have babies, and how am I going to
sell it to them to say, Okay, come work with us,
but if you're going to have a baby, go home
and then come back when you're ready to come back.
And we started talking about maternity leave, and there was
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some resistance on my management side for a while because
we had never done it, and I'm like, well, let's
do it. We need to do it. And a year ago,
a little over a year ago. We pushed it through
and did it, and then I got a bunch of
phone calls from all the other building trades saying.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
What are you doing over there, stupid electricians?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean, really, you've left your mark.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Now you know you did something really important and necessary,
issues and necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Then he doesn't like it, But you don't say that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I got a granddaughter. I'd love for her to go
into trades. But here's the thing Grandpa did not. My
grandpa could multiply four figures in his head, have four
digit figures in his head. He had an eighth grade education,
but he did not need one hundred thousand dollars college
diploma to make a good living for his family of
four kids. And in the same thing with my father,
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I mean, then I will guarantee you that the next
millionaires in this world are not going to be AI people.
They're going to be electricians and plumbers and HVAC technicians
and welders because AI can't do that crap.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, A, I can't to your house. All right, Let's
take a break now, Kyla wan too. Let's take a break.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Jeff, can you stick around for a minute, because we've
still got I know Denny has more well, we'll talk
real slow for him, so we need so sorry for him.
It is eleven to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Thank you for watching us on YouTube, by the way,
and thank you for listening to us here on ninety
three WIBC. It's eleven twenty one and this is the
first day show.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Hello everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Terry Stacy along with Denny Smith and Kylon Tally and
in studio with us. People stop buying see us, and
we love it it is.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
We were watching.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We were just so fortunate again to be here on
Monument Circle. And as I look to my left for
some of you that have gone out of downtown and
went back home and haven't come back downtown when you
come back to work tomorrow, the circle of lights Monument
Circle is all lit up beautiful, and it's done because
of Downtown India Alliance and also all of the great
volunteers with ib W for eighty one and joining us
(09:51):
is their business manager Jef Wheeler, who's just hanging out
with us. We're having some donuts, we're having We're going
to be having some mushroom tea here shortly mushroom coffee. Well, yes,
mushroom coffee.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's legal it's all legal legal.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Now, before we took the break, you guys were talking
about salaries and you said our next Denny said, our next,
our future millionaires will be plumbers and electricians, and you
agree with that, Jeff, I mean, that's that's our next millionaires.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
I think Denny's one hundred percent right with the amount
of work that's going on, and you know AI is
developing everything. Well, I'm going to tell you without AI.
With AI is not going to work without plumbers. It's
not going to work without ten knockers, and it's not
going to work without electricians.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
They have finally figured out robotics for farmers, and I
never thought they'd be able to do that, but they
have robots that can do different things for farmers.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, very extensive robots.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's the trades, whether it's HVAC, whether it's tile cutters,
whether it's welders. They can do that in a controlled circumstance.
For building cars, you can't do that on the job site.
And all the construction's going to take place to modernize
all of our you know, nineteenth century buildings, it's going
to take a lot of people who have hands and
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brains and are not afraid to just say no. I
don't want to run one hundred thousand dollars worth of debt.
I want a trade. I want to know what I
can do. And there's such a sense of accomplishment. I
remember the first time I ran copper as a kid,
running copper lines. My grandpa wouldn't let me do it.
I was allowed iron pipe. But I just remember the
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feeling of the accomplishment. And I can only imagine powering
a board, a bus board, and you know, doing electricians
do it. It's it's such an honor and such a
prestige to do it, and yet kids are scared away
from it.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Well, when you're done, when you're done with a project,
there's a sense of accomplishment. And as you're building it,
you see the different stages and everybody, everybody that works
in the trade, we all step back and look at
what we just did, right, And you know, everybody into
strangers they drive through Indianapolis, downtown Greenwood, they all point
to their kids to all the jobs that they did.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I can remember the houses that I did in the
sixties and seventy. Well, you remember John Rosie. It okay,
John Rosie was a builder in your era, and I
remember all the houses that we did for him. I
remember crawling through wet crawl spaces, and I also remember
some of the mistakes that I had to go back.
Did you ever hear here's the honor that you get
out of the trades. I remember hanging a backing board
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to hang my plumbing tree my shower head in, and
the backing board was crooked. And my journeyman came by
and he said, that backing board's crooked. And I said, will,
I said, that's going to be covered up with drywall.
Nobody's going to see it. And he said, I see it.
You see it. Now, make it plumb, parallel and perpendicular.
And I spent an hour fixing that stupid that's the
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trades pride that you don't get from AI. Yeah, you
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know. So January about January is when young people
start putting in their letters of wanting to be interns
in that, right kyland In about January? Yeah, you start
sending in in your you know, i'd like to intern
for you over the summer, over spring break. Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Right before's break.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
They're given typically assignments to start thinking about where you
would like to do.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, so maybe for in your world, Jeff, when would
you want to start seeing some of those letters or
do you get those letters?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Or how does it work for you?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
For young people that are thinking now, they're being asked
about this time of year, so what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What are you doing? What are you thinking about?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
In our trade? Now you can actually start applying to
our apprenticeship as a senior in high school. Yes, as
a senior in high school. We will let you apply,
go through the steps, get through the interview. We have
a lot of apprentices that how.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Many apprentices have you got on the books right now?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I have over one thousand out working right now. I
think we're at like one thousand thirty three.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Wonderful. And being an apprentice means you're learning on the job, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Being paid on the job.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
You get paid every day to go to work. You
go to school once every other week, whatever your school
day is. You're earning and you're learning and it's not
costing you anything. Our contractors foot that bill for you
to be an apprentice and go through school. And if
you're doing well enough and you score a ninety percent
or higher, you don't even have to buy the books.
We'll buy them for you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh my gosh, I don't know how you could turn
this down.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And here every year they have a four and a
half or five years, four and a half years. Every
year the apprentices that he gets his two thousand hours
in or how many hours he gets a bump in
the race, and they're moving them towards journeymen. But they're
also educating him for free. Terry, I think about.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That, right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And obviously you look to your future and what this
looks like now, because there is some concern about what
future looks like in different careers because of AI, and
this is one that you couldn't possibly imagine.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
As you said, you can't get it.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And it's union and non union. That might not I
grew up non union, of course, Jeff grew up union.
But it's the same thing. We will educate our people
and we just want them to stay with us, quite frankly,
because we drain them. But what an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I have a question going deeper than just apprenticeships. The
step before that getting kids interested and informed about the trades,
because in school, like we were talking about during the break,
we don't have shop classes, we don't have home Mac.
We don't have any of those. How do we get
kids interested in that first level money?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Money? They think it's all prestige, but they want to
be paid.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I have to say when I do go and speak
to kids, it's always how much do you make? That's
exactly right, even when they're you know, twelve.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, but so it is.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's that's that's the leading reason someone would go into
this field.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, if they don't have they may be be students
or to make them interest. The old joke was the
plumber was the C student and the electrician was the
C plus student. Boy, Okay, I'm just saying they got
they got Tokay, But kyline an answer to your question,
I think that they want opportunity. But they have older
brothers and sisters, and they have friends who have run
up all this debt, and one hundred thousand dollars worth
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of debt to a kid, that's a lot of money, Jeff,
And well you can avoid that.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's a ridiculous amount of money. And you start with
one hundred thousand dollars worth of debt and when you
start paying it, by the time you're in your forties,
you have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of debt.
That's because of the end the way they done the interest.
Now that my brother went to college, he has a
degree in finance, it took him till he was almost
fifty years old to pay off his student debt.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Absolutely, So what do we do? But just how do
we get involved?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
For parents that are talking to their kids right now
about maybe going into this career, what is the next
what is the next step?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I would say, get your ego off of your shirt
sleeves and let your kids earn a living. Most kids
are sitting around waiting for somebody in a suit to
give him a break. Don't wait for anybody to give
you a break. Get out there or learn a trade,
and then you may be the suit who's giving other
peoples a break, Jeff.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
For us, it's we want the high school kids that
are looking at what's your career going to be, and
we want to come talk to them. We have a
website etid dot org that has all the information on there.
If you want to be an electrician. We make it
as easy as we can make it for you to
find us. I mean we're all over the place.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It really is anything else. You want listeners to know
before we say goodbye to you.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I want everybody to know that this isn't just a job.
It's a career. It's a paycheck, it's benefits, and it's retirement,
and it's retirement.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, thank you, JAF all right, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
One question from the plumber to the electrician. How many
cans are in a six pack?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I just had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I don't drink can beer. I only drink bottle beer.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You electricians, this is great.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Jeff Wheeler, business manager with IVEW four eighty one, and
we thank you to.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
For our thanks for all your rights. Thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
J leven to Happy holidays, eleven, twenty nine. News is
next ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Well Giving Tuesday is coming up.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And here in our state, we have so many great
organizations and nonprofits that you can donate to. But Indiana
Wish has been in my heart since nineteen ninety eight
and to date they have granted over thirty five hundred
wishes and that's thanks to you and your donations. But
like everything else, wishes are getting more expensive and there
are still a lot of Indiana children who have been
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diagnosed with life threatening illnesses and they're waiting for a
wish Indianawish dot org. And I want you to meet
Indiana wish dad Dan Loomis. He and his wife have Christina,
have a beautiful daughter, six year old Gracie.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And Dan. Thank you so much for your time. I
hope you're doing well as we head into the holiday season.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Hey, I'm doing well. Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Tell us about Gracie.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Yeah, So, Gracie is a fun loving, easygoing child with
a condition called listen sephily and what that is is
somewhere in utero they stay between a second and third trimester.
Her brain did not fully develop, so she has what's
considered a smooth brain without wrinkles, so a lot of
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a lot of physical and mental challenges for her. She's
in a wheelchair, she's nonverbal, so we have to transport
her kind of wherever she needs to go. And you know,
we're trying to figure out how she communicates us through
talking devices and therapies and things. The scariest part is,
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on average, kids with this conditionally lived ten years. On average.
She does not display a lot of the tendencies that
would indicate an early lifespan, So I think we've gotten
lucky in that aspect for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, it's a lot as a parent, of course, and
Indiana Wish was so awesome, gave us a trip to
Disney World, and we're just we're so grateful and having
a magical time.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I know from talking to other Indiana Wish families over
the years that it is a roller coaster ride and
have many challenges, and also that means challenges with relationships
and other parts of their lives.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For your family too, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Mean a little bit, but I think more than anything,
it's bonded us closer. I mean with our religious beliefs
as well. We're able to rally around her, And I
think I don't know if people would understand this that
have never really been a caretaker before. It's so much
personally on you, But at the same time, it can
bond a family like none other because you know, everybody's
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kind of working towards a common goal too.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Does Gracie have siblings, Yeah, oh yeah, she.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Has an older sister named Olivia who's nine, and then
we just had Grant, he's about fifteen. Sixteen month old.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now at this point earlier, Dan, you mentioned faith. Has
there been any point during Gracie's diagnosis that has really
shaken your faith?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I think more than anything, if I didn't have the faith,
I wouldn't have the peace that I have. So I
think it's bolstered it honestly, being able to have that
faith in God and know that his plan is being
acted and every moment kind of gives you some of
the answers that you wouldn't normally have. I don't know,
I wouldn't be able to handle it the way that
I do if I didn't have that faith. So it's
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been nothing but a blessing.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Honestly, Dan Loomis is here.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Indiana Wish Dad and Indiana Wish granted your daughter, Gracie
with a trip to Disney World for your family.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Tell us what that trip was like.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Yeah, So last December, right before Christmas, we were able
to go to a place called Give Kids the World,
and I'm sure the listeners have heard of that. With
the Wish families, it's such a magical place where everybody
that works there is largely volunteers, and we talked to
so many of them throughout the week, and their family
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members often had also been Wish kids, and they just
really wanted to give back because it's such a great place.
So what you had was one of the first places
I've ever experienced, probably the only place where everybody there
was doing everything they could to make sure that my
daughter had just the best time ever and our family
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could actually have a vacation, because that's not an easy
I know, other vacations we went on, like to Chicago,
it's very hard. Things weren't accessible, but everything on this
trip was super accessible and accommodating. So we were able
to go to Disney World for three days and Disney
was great. We did two days at Universal, they were
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all so great, and then all the time that we
spent at Give Kids the World. We honestly left the
parks a little bit early because that place was so
amazing and all the people there. It is a magical
place in itself.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I heard you loved it so much that you went
back recently.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Yeah, we just had so I'm a teacher and we
just had fall break this past week and we just
went back and we went to Disney World for five days.
But we made sure on one of our off days
we went back on an alumni visit. They call it
to give kids the world for today, and this experienced
all the same things for to day. It was amazing.
Oh my gosh, that's so great.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You said, you're an educator. Where do you teach?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yeah, I teached a Fall Creek Junior High which is
in the Hamilton Southeastern School District up in Fishers.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What do you teach?
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I teach pe and health.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, I'm gonna let you go here in a minute,
but what is a day like in your busy household?
That includes six year old Gracie?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
So it's a it's a she eats through a feeding tube,
so it's a lot of getting all of her tube
feeds ready in the morning, giving her all of her
different seizure medications she also has seizures, and then making
sure all of that gets to school on time as
well taking care of the other kids. And then when
she gets home, we do therapies. She has speech, occupational
(23:37):
and physical therapy to try to help her with her
mobility and her ability to communicate with us. And we
do that in the evening and then you know, it's
it's the bed pretty early and we revolve and do
it all again the next day.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's it's a lot, it's a lot, you know what.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm so glad that Indiana Wish was able to give
your family a trip to Disney World thanks to the
donors that made that wish come true. Indiana Wish dot
organ thank you so much for giving us your time.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
We appreciate it. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, of course, thank you for the time, and thank
you Indiana Wish again. I know I've said it before,
but I can't say it enough. And all the people
that have donated just amazing. What an amazing organization.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thank you Indiana Wish dot org. It is one of
my favorite. But I have so many. Anything that's involving animals, anything, veterans.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's so hard to cho it's hard to choose, so
you try to sprinkle. Giving Tuesdays, what we're talking about
coming up, and there's ways to be safe, and I
think most of you know that, but you have your
favorites as well, and of course Salvation Army, which we
will be doing our annual radiothon coming up on December
twelfth and thirteenth. Hope you'll be a part of that.
But yeah, giving Tuesday. You worked hard at giving and
(24:47):
giving and giving over the days and buying and buying,
and that will continue. We've got Cyber Monday tomorrow, but
then Giving Tuesday, and truly Indiana wish small but mighty organizations,
but again animal and veterans and senior I mean, I
just it runs a gamut from my favorite organizations here
in town. Okay, Next Sunday, we're gonna be broadcasting from
Googman House Brewing Brewing Company at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We hope you'll come.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That is just off a sixteenth Street, just east of Speedway,
so we hope you'll stop in between noon and two
also when you can get your Freeman's Health event free
stuff and afternoon of football food, cold beer, and your
chance to win game tickets too, So come on and
hang out with everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Jake Querry will be there, Hammer and Nigel Sean Copeland from.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
B one O five, JMV Jeff Records and of course
us and we'd love to see you if you can
come by. Lots of giveaways too, so again that's next week.
We'll be broadcasting from Googman House Brewing Company and we
hope to see you there all right coming up. Jeff
Wheeler still here.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We love him. Denny's asked him to stick around for
dollars and cents.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
But Kylin, yeah, we were talking earlier. There's so much
to talk about in in the YouTube chat.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You can join us.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Ninety three WIBC First Day with Terry Stacey and Ethan
Hatcher is in the chat and heightened. Denny was talking
about earlier how we ended up with an economy filled
with middle managers instead of producers, and well look where
that's gotten us. So we're going to talk more about
the financial side of some of this when we.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Come back with Denny's Dollars and Cents next on ninety
three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, ladies, you know we always think Jef Wheeler's here too.
By Jeff Wheeler from ibe W for eighty one, Thanks
for being in here.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Happy here IBEW Indiana Brotherhood of Electrical Workers for.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh is it an international international brother national? The word
on the.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Street, The word on the street. Now, you guys have
all heard about these college trust funds that they have
billions and billions of dollars Harvard. You know it's probably
getting close to a trillion dollars of an investment pool.
I want you to think about this. Where'd that money
come from? It wasn't all donation, was it the taxpayers? Maybe?
You know taxpayers don't get the taxpayers are hornswoggled at
(26:58):
every No, it comes from the people paying tuitions. Okay,
occasionally there'll be contributions. So the word on the street
in the financial world is watch the colleges, watch the
trust funds, and if they start to dwindle, it's an
indication that what they're selling is nobody's buying. Now, what
we saw this last week Nikki Haley, who ran against
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Trump and conservative side and her son came out and said,
we did everything right. My generation did everything right, and
we can't get a job. He had a degree, he
had an advanced degree at a great university, and I
got degrees from great universities. But that doesn't make me
profitable as a human being. So here's where we're going
with this. We want to share with you what the
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wages are of college graduates versus craft people.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Oh, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right, Okay, where do you think the average starting
wage for a college graduate is.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And what going into what career?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's stay accounting. Oh well, no, No, let's let's say market No,
let's do it better marketing.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Marketing is still not great. Maybe thirty forty five thousand
coming right out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Of college, coming right out of college.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I know they want more, but I bet they get
a forty thirty five.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Thousand, thirty five to forty thousand. All right, Jeff, what's
a second year electrician make without college debt and everything?
What's what's a second year electrician making?
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Second? Your apprentice is at twenty three dollars and change
per hour? All right, that's just on the chair, I.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
See, all right, Byeth Affair.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So here's what else is going on. So not only
are they losing their students who don't want to pay,
you know, for an Ivy League college. I mean you're
talking a quarter a million dollars a debt minimum and
probably one hundred and fifty thousand to one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars a year to pay for that college.
So mom and dad are going broke. They're robbing from
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their retirements and all this is going on. But here's
the thing. How do you think the colleges are keeping
the students?
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Because of the fraternities.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, I mean community is a big thing in college.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, that's why, that's why always, so if you're
going to go to college, it's you want to get
you the most social part of it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Out of those right, so you think it's a passage,
it's good for you. How does the university keep you
through what we call grade inflation? It's the old participation
trophy crap that we put up with as kids. Well,
colleges and universities have participation trophies. Sixty percent of the
grades at Harvard are a's. Now, how in the world
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does that happen?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Sixty percent?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Sixty percent of the grades at Harvard are a's. That's
great inflation. So if everybody comes out of college of
great you know, I think that's you know, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Have you heard of Kyla.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's in high schools too.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
After COVID, they had to all inflate the grades to
make sure that they passed.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So the kids is always look how old Jeff is. Jeff?
Do you remember guys in your class getting fs and
d's and CNSs. Oh absolutely, yeah, that you don't get
those anymore. Kids are all passed on. It's great inflation.
That's how they save the system. All right, So Harvard's
sixty percent of the kids have a's. Okay, they graduate,
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all these kids, they all go to this law firm
and they all go to this marketing forum. What is
the differentiation? What do they have that differentiates? Can they
say I can wire a three phase panel in a
delta transformer? No, they say they're putting out the same
crap that everybody else is. So when Jeff and I
I talk slow for the electricians, I know I say
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that a lot, But Jeff.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
What all you got? You said it one hundred times?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, I have to emphasize it. He's slow, all right,
So what is it? Okay, we'll take the top twenty
five percent of electricians as journeymen. What type of wages?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
The top twenty five percent, if they're willing to work
out of town and they're working six or seven days
a week, can make thirty or forty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh my, a month.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's better than a stripper.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well I imagine they have apprentices and journeymen in those two.
But you see the point I'm making. What the colleges
and universities are doing is they're diluting their own product.
And that is a disaster in business if you dilute
what you are putting out and you lessen it by saying,
this is still a grade and it's not. It might
be be minus, it might What are the chances of
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everybody at everybody in college getting a's and what we're
doing is we are making everything the same. What is
the one thing that does not do that? It is
the trades. The trades don't do that. You can differentiate
as a journeyman, can you not? Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Absolutely every has. Everybody has. We teach everybody the same
basic skills, but everybody, everybody has the opportunity to expand
those skills and specialize if they so choose.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I love this. And electricians making thirty to forty dollars
a month, okay, thought I thought my plumber buddies down
in Florida that we're making, you know, quarter of a
million dollars to four hundred thousand dollars and they have families.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
All ages apply for an apprentice.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What's the oldest to learn new tricks?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What's the oldest apprentice you have?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I have apprenticisses that are in their fifties right now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love that see.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So look, in business, like anything else, you have to
stand back and look at the platform, look at the
world as it is. And if your competition, which for
the trades is colleges, and you watch them dilute what
they're putting out, well this is a no brainer. You
just keep doing what you're doing and you're going to score.
All right, So five years or four and a half years,
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and uh, what would you say the average journeyman would
make after five years?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
The average journeyman right now is making about one hundred
a quarter a year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
One hundred and quarter a year. Now do you think
those marketing kids coming out of Ida League schools or
even I use school, Kelly, they're coming out are they're
they're dying for those hundred thousand dollars jobs. They'll be
lucky to get a forty or fifty thousand dollars job
to prove themselves because everybody's resume looks the same.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. So, I mean it's just like
it kind of is a no brainer. Feels like no brainer.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So the message is from us, old Gray Hairs is
watch for differentiation. And if there is no differentiation and
everybody is coming out, cookie cutter. I've got a college degree,
big freaking nil. I got a college degree, but I'm
also a plumber, and I learned business from people who
knew business how to do je.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I think you did fine.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You did fine.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, you did fine. You know I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You can't get no plumbers, never get any respect.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
You know that we respect you. We just don't like
to tell everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Hey, listen on behalf of Central Indiana and to for
eighty one IBW. Thank you. You are educating a whole
bunch of kids. You're giving a thousand kids opportunities. Pretty
amazing to be productive. Are our grandparents? They were productive
because they had trades.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
So Jeff, thank you.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Jeff Wheler for hanging out with us for the hour.
You stop buying and see this.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We love company. Terry Denny Kylan. This is the first
day on ninety three WIBC. The news is next
Hey, good morning and welcome, welcome. It is eleven o
six and this is the first day show. I'm glad
you're here. We are in our beautiful studios on Monument
Circle broadcasting to you. I'm Terry Stacey along with Denny Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And it's not gonna be ill. Thank you, Terry. And
it's not gonna be too much longer. We're going to
be here with this beautiful view.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
This is it. This is our last day.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Here, is this our last day?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Next week we'll be on a remote. Oh, this is
our last Sunday to get well in this building.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What do you think of that? Kai?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We better enjoy it. Well, it lasts count.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Every minute count.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
We got to see the tree lighting from here.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's my sure did.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's what I'm thankful for this year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Better than the folks on Channel thirteen.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I hope you'll have a holiday.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
They cut off at the.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
They sure did.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Had some had some glitches, had some troubles and uh yeah,
we didn't get to see the actual flipping of the switch.
But it's prominently located on their WTHR dot com website,
right in the front, so you can missed it. You
can watch it there. Missy travel day, and of course
the snowy weather making headlines for sure, and it's really
pretty out there. My trip in wasn't bad. Year's dinny
from Hamilton County going.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Home yesterday was a little tricky. Coming in today was nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Kylin you okay?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, the slush last night after the zoo, that was
a lot, but today was good. No ice that I
ran in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of people don't know. Kylin is an actress
at the zoo and you are the Wicked Witch of
the Whip of Ice.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Princess for Christmas at the zoo.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, Christmas at the Zoo, which continues on. She's
not there today, but she'll be back again there next week.
Looking at flight ware, it looks like total delays today
at the Innianapolis International Airport because it is a huge
travel day. Forty nine delays today, not bad. Total cancelations
as of right now about seven, but looking at around
the country there have been many. So I'm sure that
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you all know the routine and are checking and getting
texts and if you do have any cancelations, but you
know how that is the domino effect and everything kind
of messes up. So I hope you have a safe
travels home, whatever you're doing. High school football champions. Congratulations
to newpal Brown's Cascades, South Putnam, Andrean and Fort Wayne Dwinger.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, I feel bad for wet Westfield had a chance,
and then Brownsburg dis rolled, and once Brownsburg starts to rolling,
it's it's all over in that. But my Rocks are
out there and they got their red ribbons, and they
were a bunch of sad boys yesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Denny's got a teer in his.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't have a tear in my eye. I just
know how hard those kids work.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Of course they did. Congratulations to all of them. Downtown
is busy. We've got tailgating going on. You are hardy
Hoosiers and you're doing it well, you're doing it. It's
Downtown is a little bit busier now as we get
closer to the one o'clock kickoff, our eight and three
Colts take on the six and five Texans there in
town at Lucasoil Stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And we love when people stop by.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
A guy.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Relford, the gun guy, just stopped by on his way
over and now we get to see the guy that
really makes it all happen right here on Monument Circle,
I'm talking about the circle of lights. His gang of
three hundred ball in tears and their families come down here.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's a it's not a club.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Jeff Wheeler, the business manager, making a stop by to
see us.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Hi, Jeff, good morning.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm good. He's got such a great voice. Didn't he
got a radio voice? He does?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Congratulations. Everything went well as far as the lighting. Actually,
all everything lit up and it was fantastic.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Yes, I'm glad. I'm glad. They came on like they
were supposed to. It's always that's always concerned when you're
staying on stage.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know what, when they throw the switch, everybody thinks
it's an electronic thing. Actually it's a walkie talking and
you tell them to throw.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The take the magic away.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I didn't take the magic away. I told him I
think that.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Switch is really working, so I don't take that away.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
First, what they do upset? Now they tickle the reindeer.
The reindeer kicked their feet and they hit the switch.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
There's no reindeer, so you don't have any of it, right,
stop it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, we're dealing with electricians here. Okay. I'm a respected plumber.
I'm not going to take anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Our thanks to everybody that makes that happen and the
Downtown India Alliance and the IBW for eighty one, all
the volunteers in their families. It's really one of my
favorite days is Installation Day. Had a gorgeous Installation Day
and again thousands of people came back downtown the day
after Thanksgiving, Black Friday, and about six thirty everybody gathers IVW. Guys,
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you're everywhere, but a lot of you have a tradition
to go to a hotel, don't you.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Yeah. We take over the top floor of the Sheridan,
the basement of the Sheridan, and the pool deck of
the Sheridan. End up with about twenty two hundred people
down there, right, I think, tell ya.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What can you see from the basement? Now I'm talking
slow for an electrician, But what's in the basement.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Well, the basement is for the younger generation, all the kids. Okay,
down in the basement, we start rocking it out. We
have music down there, there's a dance floor, they have
face painting saying it comes around and the kids go
down there and they just have a ball.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I want to be part of this club.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
There's a lot of jokes about electricians, but that's not
one of them. That's not one of them. I'm glad
you can down. Terry and I have been talking for
some time about kids going to college, running up debt
and everything. Of course, I grew up as a plumber son,
a plumber's grandson, and we were expected to work when
we were in high school, and even on spring breaks
(05:16):
we were expected to work, and I learned a trade.
Later on, I went back to college. But there's a
lot to be said for just avoiding college. You can
still get that right of passage in the trades.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Oh, you absolutely can. I'm a product of the early eighties.
I graduated high school back then, and they told all
of us we had to go to college. Yeah, and
they did. They pushed all of us the other ones.
Did you have a computer science degree and or accounting degree?
And so a lot of us went, and trades were
never discussed. The trades were never discussed where I went
(05:47):
to high school.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Parents, Terry, and you know this. Parents don't think of
their kids as becoming plumbers with plungers. They think of
their kids as doctors and lawyers and very sophisticated accountants.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Because that's where the money's going to come financially. But
the money really does come in the trades.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But see, they saw grandpa. They saw Grandpa working in
the trades, and he came home tired, he came home
beat up and dirty, and every day he ground through that.
And they just said, I hope Junior doesn't have to
do that, or I hope little miss doesn't have to
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, but now now it is really and I do
want to talk about this. And Dinny, did you really
have a question you were going for?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I was, I was going to I was setting him up.
We got a couple of seconds, taking a minute. No, no, no, no,
I'm setting him up. He's an electrician. Okay, I'll take
my time with this one. You go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, Jeff and I had a conversation about more women
that are are saying, hey, I want to get into
the trades, whatever that may be. And you've really made
it you and your brain and your smart brain said, well,
we've got to figure out ways to make them want
to come to this trade.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Oh yeah, women started joining our trade back in the seventies.
But when I started nineteen ninety, you just didn't see
that many of them. And over the last few years
we made a push to have more women join us,
and they came and they came.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But now, but now, when you're taking steps to make changes,
you're including the women, and when you're thinking about your changes,
including things like maternity leave.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yes, that's something that up until last year, the ladies
in our trade had never had. They'd never had maternity.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It was pretty impressive and it caught all of the
trades off guard. I mean that basically you could go
have your family and then you can come back to
the trades. When you guys took a different you really
caught the world by surprise.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
We did. But it was necessary. I have a lot
of young ladies that are child bearing years that they're
going to have babies, and how am I going to
sell it to them to say, Okay, come work with us,
but if you're going to have a baby, go home
and then come back when you're ready to come back.
And we started talking about maternity leave, and there was
(07:54):
some resistance on my management side for a while because
we had never done it, and I'm like, well, let's
do it. We need to do it. And a year ago,
a little over a year ago. We pushed it through
and did it, and then I got a bunch of
phone calls from all the other building trades saying.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
What are you doing over there, stupid electricians?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean, really, you've left your mark.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Now you know you did something really important and necessary,
issues and necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Then he doesn't like it, But you don't say that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I got a granddaughter. I'd love for her to go
into trades. But here's the thing Grandpa did not. My
grandpa could multiply four figures in his head, have four
digit figures in his head. He had an eighth grade education,
but he did not need one hundred thousand dollars college
diploma to make a good living for his family of
four kids. And in the same thing with my father,
(08:44):
I mean, then I will guarantee you that the next
millionaires in this world are not going to be AI people.
They're going to be electricians and plumbers and HVAC technicians
and welders because AI can't do that crap.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, A, I can't to your house. All right, Let's
take a break now, Kyla wan too. Let's take a break.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Jeff, can you stick around for a minute, because we've
still got I know Denny has more well, we'll talk
real slow for him, so we need so sorry for him.
It is eleven to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Thank you for watching us on YouTube, by the way,
and thank you for listening to us here on ninety
three WIBC. It's eleven twenty one and this is the
first day show.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Hello everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Terry Stacy along with Denny Smith and Kylon Tally and
in studio with us. People stop buying see us, and
we love it it is.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
We were watching.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
We were just so fortunate again to be here on
Monument Circle. And as I look to my left for
some of you that have gone out of downtown and
went back home and haven't come back downtown when you
come back to work tomorrow, the circle of lights Monument
Circle is all lit up beautiful, and it's done because
of Downtown India Alliance and also all of the great
volunteers with ib W for eighty one and joining us
(09:51):
is their business manager Jef Wheeler, who's just hanging out
with us. We're having some donuts, we're having We're going
to be having some mushroom tea here shortly mushroom coffee. Well, yes,
mushroom coffee.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's legal it's all legal legal.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Now, before we took the break, you guys were talking
about salaries and you said our next Denny said, our next,
our future millionaires will be plumbers and electricians, and you
agree with that, Jeff, I mean, that's that's our next millionaires.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
I think Denny's one hundred percent right with the amount
of work that's going on, and you know AI is
developing everything. Well, I'm going to tell you without AI.
With AI is not going to work without plumbers. It's
not going to work without ten knockers, and it's not
going to work without electricians.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
They have finally figured out robotics for farmers, and I
never thought they'd be able to do that, but they
have robots that can do different things for farmers.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, very extensive robots.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's the trades, whether it's HVAC, whether it's tile cutters,
whether it's welders. They can do that in a controlled circumstance.
For building cars, you can't do that on the job site.
And all the construction's going to take place to modernize
all of our you know, nineteenth century buildings, it's going
to take a lot of people who have hands and
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brains and are not afraid to just say no. I
don't want to run one hundred thousand dollars worth of debt.
I want a trade. I want to know what I
can do. And there's such a sense of accomplishment. I
remember the first time I ran copper as a kid,
running copper lines. My grandpa wouldn't let me do it.
I was allowed iron pipe. But I just remember the
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feeling of the accomplishment. And I can only imagine powering
a board, a bus board, and you know, doing electricians
do it. It's it's such an honor and such a
prestige to do it, and yet kids are scared away
from it.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Well, when you're done, when you're done with a project,
there's a sense of accomplishment. And as you're building it,
you see the different stages and everybody, everybody that works
in the trade, we all step back and look at
what we just did, right, And you know, everybody into
strangers they drive through Indianapolis, downtown Greenwood, they all point
to their kids to all the jobs that they did.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I can remember the houses that I did in the
sixties and seventy. Well, you remember John Rosie. It okay,
John Rosie was a builder in your era, and I
remember all the houses that we did for him. I
remember crawling through wet crawl spaces, and I also remember
some of the mistakes that I had to go back.
Did you ever hear here's the honor that you get
out of the trades. I remember hanging a backing board
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to hang my plumbing tree my shower head in, and
the backing board was crooked. And my journeyman came by
and he said, that backing board's crooked. And I said, will,
I said, that's going to be covered up with drywall.
Nobody's going to see it. And he said, I see it.
You see it. Now, make it plumb, parallel and perpendicular.
And I spent an hour fixing that stupid that's the
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trades pride that you don't get from AI. Yeah, you
don't get it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know. So January about January is when young people
start putting in their letters of wanting to be interns
in that, right kyland In about January? Yeah, you start
sending in in your you know, i'd like to intern
for you over the summer, over spring break. Yep.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Right before's break.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
They're given typically assignments to start thinking about where you
would like to do.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, so maybe for in your world, Jeff, when would
you want to start seeing some of those letters or
do you get those letters?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Or how does it work for you?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
For young people that are thinking now, they're being asked
about this time of year, so what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What are you doing? What are you thinking about?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
In our trade? Now you can actually start applying to
our apprenticeship as a senior in high school. Yes, as
a senior in high school. We will let you apply,
go through the steps, get through the interview. We have
a lot of apprentices that how.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Many apprentices have you got on the books right now?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I have over one thousand out working right now. I
think we're at like one thousand thirty three.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Wonderful. And being an apprentice means you're learning on the job, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Being paid on the job.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
You get paid every day to go to work. You
go to school once every other week, whatever your school
day is. You're earning and you're learning and it's not
costing you anything. Our contractors foot that bill for you
to be an apprentice and go through school. And if
you're doing well enough and you score a ninety percent
or higher, you don't even have to buy the books.
We'll buy them for you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Oh my gosh, I don't know how you could turn
this down.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And here every year they have a four and a
half or five years, four and a half years. Every
year the apprentices that he gets his two thousand hours
in or how many hours he gets a bump in
the race, and they're moving them towards journeymen. But they're
also educating him for free. Terry, I think about.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That, right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And obviously you look to your future and what this
looks like now, because there is some concern about what
future looks like in different careers because of AI, and
this is one that you couldn't possibly imagine.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
As you said, you can't get it.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And it's union and non union. That might not I
grew up non union, of course, Jeff grew up union.
But it's the same thing. We will educate our people
and we just want them to stay with us, quite frankly,
because we drain them. But what an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I have a question going deeper than just apprenticeships. The
step before that getting kids interested and informed about the trades,
because in school, like we were talking about during the break,
we don't have shop classes, we don't have home Mac.
We don't have any of those. How do we get
kids interested in that first level money?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Money? They think it's all prestige, but they want to
be paid.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I have to say when I do go and speak
to kids, it's always how much do you make? That's
exactly right, even when they're you know, twelve.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, but so it is.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's that's that's the leading reason someone would go into
this field.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, if they don't have they may be be students
or to make them interest. The old joke was the
plumber was the C student and the electrician was the
C plus student. Boy, Okay, I'm just saying they got
they got Tokay, But kyline an answer to your question,
I think that they want opportunity. But they have older
brothers and sisters, and they have friends who have run
up all this debt, and one hundred thousand dollars worth
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of debt to a kid, that's a lot of money, Jeff,
And well you can avoid that.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It's a ridiculous amount of money. And you start with
one hundred thousand dollars worth of debt and when you
start paying it, by the time you're in your forties,
you have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of debt.
That's because of the end the way they done the interest.
Now that my brother went to college, he has a
degree in finance, it took him till he was almost
fifty years old to pay off his student debt.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Absolutely, So what do we do? But just how do
we get involved?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
For parents that are talking to their kids right now
about maybe going into this career, what is the next
what is the next step?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I would say, get your ego off of your shirt
sleeves and let your kids earn a living. Most kids
are sitting around waiting for somebody in a suit to
give him a break. Don't wait for anybody to give
you a break. Get out there or learn a trade,
and then you may be the suit who's giving other
peoples a break, Jeff.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
For us, it's we want the high school kids that
are looking at what's your career going to be, and
we want to come talk to them. We have a
website etid dot org that has all the information on there.
If you want to be an electrician. We make it
as easy as we can make it for you to
find us. I mean we're all over the place.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It really is anything else. You want listeners to know
before we say goodbye to you.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I want everybody to know that this isn't just a job.
It's a career. It's a paycheck, it's benefits, and it's retirement,
and it's retirement.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, thank you, JAF all right, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
One question from the plumber to the electrician. How many
cans are in a six pack?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I just had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I don't drink can beer. I only drink bottle beer.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You electricians, this is great.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Jeff Wheeler, business manager with IVEW four eighty one, and
we thank you to.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
For our thanks for all your rights. Thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
J leven to Happy holidays, eleven, twenty nine. News is
next ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Well Giving Tuesday is coming up.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And here in our state, we have so many great
organizations and nonprofits that you can donate to. But Indiana
Wish has been in my heart since nineteen ninety eight
and to date they have granted over thirty five hundred
wishes and that's thanks to you and your donations. But
like everything else, wishes are getting more expensive and there
are still a lot of Indiana children who have been
(17:59):
diagnosed with life threatening illnesses and they're waiting for a
wish Indianawish dot org. And I want you to meet
Indiana wish dad Dan Loomis. He and his wife have Christina,
have a beautiful daughter, six year old Gracie.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
And Dan. Thank you so much for your time. I
hope you're doing well as we head into the holiday season.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Hey, I'm doing well. Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Tell us about Gracie.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Yeah, So, Gracie is a fun loving, easygoing child with
a condition called listen sephily and what that is is
somewhere in utero they stay between a second and third trimester.
Her brain did not fully develop, so she has what's
considered a smooth brain without wrinkles, so a lot of
(18:46):
a lot of physical and mental challenges for her. She's
in a wheelchair, she's nonverbal, so we have to transport
her kind of wherever she needs to go. And you know,
we're trying to figure out how she communicates us through
talking devices and therapies and things. The scariest part is,
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on average, kids with this conditionally lived ten years. On average.
She does not display a lot of the tendencies that
would indicate an early lifespan, So I think we've gotten
lucky in that aspect for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, it's a lot as a parent, of course, and
Indiana Wish was so awesome, gave us a trip to
Disney World, and we're just we're so grateful and having
a magical time.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I know from talking to other Indiana Wish families over
the years that it is a roller coaster ride and
have many challenges, and also that means challenges with relationships
and other parts of their lives.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
For your family too, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Mean a little bit, but I think more than anything,
it's bonded us closer. I mean with our religious beliefs
as well. We're able to rally around her, And I
think I don't know if people would understand this that
have never really been a caretaker before. It's so much
personally on you, But at the same time, it can
bond a family like none other because you know, everybody's
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kind of working towards a common goal too.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Does Gracie have siblings, Yeah, oh yeah, she.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Has an older sister named Olivia who's nine, and then
we just had Grant, he's about fifteen. Sixteen month old.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now at this point earlier, Dan, you mentioned faith. Has
there been any point during Gracie's diagnosis that has really
shaken your faith?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I think more than anything, if I didn't have the faith,
I wouldn't have the peace that I have. So I
think it's bolstered it honestly, being able to have that
faith in God and know that his plan is being
acted and every moment kind of gives you some of
the answers that you wouldn't normally have. I don't know,
I wouldn't be able to handle it the way that
I do if I didn't have that faith. So it's
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been nothing but a blessing.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Honestly, Dan Loomis is here.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Indiana Wish Dad and Indiana Wish granted your daughter, Gracie
with a trip to Disney World for your family.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Tell us what that trip was like.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Yeah, So last December, right before Christmas, we were able
to go to a place called Give Kids the World,
and I'm sure the listeners have heard of that. With
the Wish families, it's such a magical place where everybody
that works there is largely volunteers, and we talked to
so many of them throughout the week, and their family
(21:35):
members often had also been Wish kids, and they just
really wanted to give back because it's such a great place.
So what you had was one of the first places
I've ever experienced, probably the only place where everybody there
was doing everything they could to make sure that my
daughter had just the best time ever and our family
(21:56):
could actually have a vacation, because that's not an easy
I know, other vacations we went on, like to Chicago,
it's very hard. Things weren't accessible, but everything on this
trip was super accessible and accommodating. So we were able
to go to Disney World for three days and Disney
was great. We did two days at Universal, they were
(22:17):
all so great, and then all the time that we
spent at Give Kids the World. We honestly left the
parks a little bit early because that place was so
amazing and all the people there. It is a magical
place in itself.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I heard you loved it so much that you went
back recently.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Yeah, we just had so I'm a teacher and we
just had fall break this past week and we just
went back and we went to Disney World for five days.
But we made sure on one of our off days
we went back on an alumni visit. They call it
to give kids the world for today, and this experienced
all the same things for to day. It was amazing.
Oh my gosh, that's so great.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You said, you're an educator. Where do you teach?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Yeah, I teached a Fall Creek Junior High which is
in the Hamilton Southeastern School District up in Fishers.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What do you teach?
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I teach pe and health.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, I'm gonna let you go here in a minute,
but what is a day like in your busy household?
That includes six year old Gracie?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
So it's a it's a she eats through a feeding tube,
so it's a lot of getting all of her tube
feeds ready in the morning, giving her all of her
different seizure medications she also has seizures, and then making
sure all of that gets to school on time as
well taking care of the other kids. And then when
she gets home, we do therapies. She has speech, occupational
(23:37):
and physical therapy to try to help her with her
mobility and her ability to communicate with us. And we
do that in the evening and then you know, it's
it's the bed pretty early and we revolve and do
it all again the next day.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's it's a lot, it's a lot, you know what.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm so glad that Indiana Wish was able to give
your family a trip to Disney World thanks to the
donors that made that wish come true. Indiana Wish dot
organ thank you so much for giving us your time.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
We appreciate it. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, of course, thank you for the time, and thank
you Indiana Wish again. I know I've said it before,
but I can't say it enough. And all the people
that have donated just amazing. What an amazing organization.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thank you Indiana Wish dot org. It is one of
my favorite. But I have so many. Anything that's involving animals, anything, veterans.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's so hard to cho it's hard to choose, so
you try to sprinkle. Giving Tuesdays, what we're talking about
coming up, and there's ways to be safe, and I
think most of you know that, but you have your
favorites as well, and of course Salvation Army, which we
will be doing our annual radiothon coming up on December
twelfth and thirteenth. Hope you'll be a part of that.
But yeah, giving Tuesday. You worked hard at giving and
(24:47):
giving and giving over the days and buying and buying,
and that will continue. We've got Cyber Monday tomorrow, but
then Giving Tuesday, and truly Indiana wish small but mighty organizations,
but again animal and veterans and senior I mean, I
just it runs a gamut from my favorite organizations here
in town. Okay, Next Sunday, we're gonna be broadcasting from
Googman House Brewing Brewing Company at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We hope you'll come.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That is just off a sixteenth Street, just east of Speedway,
so we hope you'll stop in between noon and two
also when you can get your Freeman's Health event free
stuff and afternoon of football food, cold beer, and your
chance to win game tickets too, So come on and
hang out with everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Jake Querry will be there, Hammer and Nigel Sean Copeland from.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
B one O five, JMV Jeff Records and of course
us and we'd love to see you if you can
come by. Lots of giveaways too, so again that's next week.
We'll be broadcasting from Googman House Brewing Company and we
hope to see you there all right coming up. Jeff
Wheeler still here.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
We love him. Denny's asked him to stick around for
dollars and cents.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
But Kylin, yeah, we were talking earlier. There's so much
to talk about in in the YouTube chat.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You can join us.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Ninety three WIBC First Day with Terry Stacey and Ethan
Hatcher is in the chat and heightened. Denny was talking
about earlier how we ended up with an economy filled
with middle managers instead of producers, and well look where
that's gotten us. So we're going to talk more about
the financial side of some of this when we.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Come back with Denny's Dollars and Cents next on ninety
three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, ladies, you know we always think Jef Wheeler's here too.
By Jeff Wheeler from ibe W for eighty one, Thanks
for being in here.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Happy here IBEW Indiana Brotherhood of Electrical Workers for.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh is it an international international brother national? The word
on the.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Street, The word on the street. Now, you guys have
all heard about these college trust funds that they have
billions and billions of dollars Harvard. You know it's probably
getting close to a trillion dollars of an investment pool.
I want you to think about this. Where'd that money
come from? It wasn't all donation, was it the taxpayers? Maybe?
You know taxpayers don't get the taxpayers are hornswoggled at
(26:58):
every No, it comes from the people paying tuitions. Okay,
occasionally there'll be contributions. So the word on the street
in the financial world is watch the colleges, watch the
trust funds, and if they start to dwindle, it's an
indication that what they're selling is nobody's buying. Now, what
we saw this last week Nikki Haley, who ran against
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Trump and conservative side and her son came out and said,
we did everything right. My generation did everything right, and
we can't get a job. He had a degree, he
had an advanced degree at a great university, and I
got degrees from great universities. But that doesn't make me
profitable as a human being. So here's where we're going
with this. We want to share with you what the
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wages are of college graduates versus craft people.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Oh, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right, Okay, where do you think the average starting
wage for a college graduate is.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And what going into what career?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's stay accounting. Oh well, no, No, let's let's say market No,
let's do it better marketing.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Marketing is still not great. Maybe thirty forty five thousand
coming right out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Of college, coming right out of college.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I know they want more, but I bet they get
a forty thirty five.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Thousand, thirty five to forty thousand. All right, Jeff, what's
a second year electrician make without college debt and everything?
What's what's a second year electrician making?
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Second? Your apprentice is at twenty three dollars and change
per hour? All right, that's just on the chair, I.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
See, all right, Byeth Affair.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So here's what else is going on. So not only
are they losing their students who don't want to pay,
you know, for an Ivy League college. I mean you're
talking a quarter a million dollars a debt minimum and
probably one hundred and fifty thousand to one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars a year to pay for that college.
So mom and dad are going broke. They're robbing from
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their retirements and all this is going on. But here's
the thing. How do you think the colleges are keeping
the students?
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Because of the fraternities.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, I mean community is a big thing in college.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, that's why, that's why always, so if you're
going to go to college, it's you want to get
you the most social part of it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Out of those right, so you think it's a passage,
it's good for you. How does the university keep you
through what we call grade inflation? It's the old participation
trophy crap that we put up with as kids. Well,
colleges and universities have participation trophies. Sixty percent of the
grades at Harvard are a's. Now, how in the world
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does that happen?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Sixty percent?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Sixty percent of the grades at Harvard are a's. That's
great inflation. So if everybody comes out of college of
great you know, I think that's you know, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Have you heard of Kyla.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's in high schools too.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
After COVID, they had to all inflate the grades to
make sure that they passed.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So the kids is always look how old Jeff is. Jeff?
Do you remember guys in your class getting fs and
d's and CNSs. Oh absolutely, yeah, that you don't get
those anymore. Kids are all passed on. It's great inflation.
That's how they save the system. All right, So Harvard's
sixty percent of the kids have a's. Okay, they graduate,
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all these kids, they all go to this law firm
and they all go to this marketing forum. What is
the differentiation? What do they have that differentiates? Can they
say I can wire a three phase panel in a
delta transformer? No, they say they're putting out the same
crap that everybody else is. So when Jeff and I
I talk slow for the electricians, I know I say
(30:28):
that a lot, But Jeff.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
What all you got? You said it one hundred times?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, I have to emphasize it. He's slow, all right,
So what is it? Okay, we'll take the top twenty
five percent of electricians as journeymen. What type of wages?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
The top twenty five percent, if they're willing to work
out of town and they're working six or seven days
a week, can make thirty or forty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Oh my, a month.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's better than a stripper.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well I imagine they have apprentices and journeymen in those two.
But you see the point I'm making. What the colleges
and universities are doing is they're diluting their own product.
And that is a disaster in business if you dilute
what you are putting out and you lessen it by saying,
this is still a grade and it's not. It might
be be minus, it might What are the chances of
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everybody at everybody in college getting a's and what we're
doing is we are making everything the same. What is
the one thing that does not do that? It is
the trades. The trades don't do that. You can differentiate
as a journeyman, can you not? Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Absolutely every has. Everybody has. We teach everybody the same
basic skills, but everybody, everybody has the opportunity to expand
those skills and specialize if they so choose.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I love this. And electricians making thirty to forty dollars
a month, okay, thought I thought my plumber buddies down
in Florida that we're making, you know, quarter of a
million dollars to four hundred thousand dollars and they have families.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
All ages apply for an apprentice.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What's the oldest to learn new tricks?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
What's the oldest apprentice you have?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I have apprenticisses that are in their fifties right now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love that see.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So look, in business, like anything else, you have to
stand back and look at the platform, look at the
world as it is. And if your competition, which for
the trades is colleges, and you watch them dilute what
they're putting out, well this is a no brainer. You
just keep doing what you're doing and you're going to score.
All right, So five years or four and a half years,
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and uh, what would you say the average journeyman would
make after five years?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
The average journeyman right now is making about one hundred
a quarter a year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
One hundred and quarter a year. Now do you think
those marketing kids coming out of Ida League schools or
even I use school, Kelly, they're coming out are they're
they're dying for those hundred thousand dollars jobs. They'll be
lucky to get a forty or fifty thousand dollars job
to prove themselves because everybody's resume looks the same.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, that's pretty cool. So, I mean it's just like
it kind of is a no brainer. Feels like no brainer.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So the message is from us, old Gray Hairs is
watch for differentiation. And if there is no differentiation and
everybody is coming out, cookie cutter. I've got a college degree,
big freaking nil. I got a college degree, but I'm
also a plumber, and I learned business from people who
knew business how to do je.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I think you did fine.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You did fine.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, you did fine. You know I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You can't get no plumbers, never get any respect.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
You know that we respect you. We just don't like
to tell everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Hey, listen on behalf of Central Indiana and to for
eighty one IBW. Thank you. You are educating a whole
bunch of kids. You're giving a thousand kids opportunities. Pretty
amazing to be productive. Are our grandparents? They were productive
because they had trades.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
So Jeff, thank you.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Jeff Wheler for hanging out with us for the hour.
You stop buying and see this.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We love company. Terry Denny Kylan. This is the first
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