Rees-Bitonio-Delpit - From the Podium - 12.18.25

On this episode, hear from Browns OC Tommy Rees, DC Jim Schwartz, STC Bubba Ventrone, OG Joel Bitonio, LB Carson Schwesinger, and S Grant Delpit on Thursday's availability ahead of Week 16's home game against the Buffalo Bills.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to this week sixteenth Thursday edition of the From
the Podium podcast. I'm Gabe Klura. It was coordinator day
once again here at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in Berea,
as the Browns continue their preparations to take on the
Buffalo Bills at Huntington Bank Field this coming Sunday. On
today's episode, you'll hear from offensive coordinator Tommy Reese, defensive
coordinator Jim Schwartz, special teams coordinator Bubba Van Trone, offensive

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guard Joel Batonio, linebacker Carson Swessinger, and safety Grant Delpit.
We'll start with offensive coordinator Tommy Reese, who talked about
unlocking some more explosives in the past game.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But you kind of looked back as she Drew's performance
against Chicago, what was the thing that maybe in that game,
I mean, for all the bad, maybe that that you
saw the positive step forward.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, well, I mean there were some explosive plays there,
Like I thought the third Downery hit ib down the
middle of the field. You know, the drop was really good,
the timing was good. That was a look that we
kind of had prepped forward, knewing how they were gonna play,
and just felt like there was a real improvement there
on seeing the coverage, recognizing the timing that it needed

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to come out on and making that explosive. Had a
good alert there on the post ib versus zero, stayed
in the pocket through it on time to a spot
getting hit, you know, evades the rush well. You know,
he is able to extend and you know, there's always
positives to draw on. You know, they don't always result,

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you know, drive home results, but there's always things, little
things within the game that you're gonna have positives on
and look to continue to build upon. And then look,
there's gonna be ups and downs, and there's gonna be
things that you want to coach. That's certainly across the
board for our players right now. So it's important to
find those both positive reinforcement things that you're doing well
and then find the areas that we need to continue

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to improve on. But he he's been really good this
week in terms of taking all that in and being
excited to go out and continue to improve and continue
to build upon the things that he's doing well for
us right now.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yesterday a lot about his completion percentage. It sounds like
it's a teaching point he's been given. What's the problem there.
He's twenty points down from his college numbers.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
I know there's going to be a draw it off.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
I mean I think it's different.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
You know, there's a different level, right, and there's different
types of throws you're being asked, I think for any
young player, for any young quarterback, the adjustment of playing
in this league of what is open versus what's not open?

Speaker 7 (02:32):
What does timing look like? Versus waiting on things?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
When is it time to try to extend versus taking
what might be there? You know, the completion percentage is
you know, we talked about the sack numbers very early
in the year and talking about that's not solely on
the offensive line, and talking about the run game not
solely being on the offensive line. The completion percentage is
also not solely.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
On the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
There's other areas where as an offensive unit we need
to improve and help him out. And then there's some
areas there where we can take completions and find completions
that are accessible, and then we got to finish the
play at other spots. So you know, we want to
be efficient, but we also want to be able to
create explosives, which he's done a nice job of and
finding that balance is something as a young player that

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we're going to continue to work on with them.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
A couple of times that you games so far with
him the season where he has pressed when when you
guys fall behind and he's trying to get you guys
back in the in the game. So how do you
find that balance between hitting the next explosive and not
going too.

Speaker 9 (03:31):
Far with pressing.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, it's similar to what we talked about a week ago.
I think you got to let allow the defense and
your eyes and your progression bless you take you to
where the ball is supposed to be, take you where
the completion is supposed to be. So I think, look,
you're not going to get it all back in one play.
And I think, you know, I just I read this week,
like Kevin O'Connell was talking about JJ McCarthy, and I
think he was talking about like finding completions, finding completions,

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and that's an area to improve upon, in an area
that he has improved upon. And so many times we
have players on the outside, players that if we get
their ball in their hands, some things can be created
that way. I think it's continued to harp on those
and again follow the defense and allow them to help
dictate where the ball should end up, and listen to
your feet and eyes as you're working your progressions.

Speaker 10 (04:14):
Your name has come up as a candidate for the
Michigan job.

Speaker 9 (04:18):
What is your what?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, similar that I said, like, I'm really just I'm
here and I'm focused on this job and focused on
the improvement of our players and the improvement of our offense.
And you know, that's really all there is with that.
I'm I'm excited to be here and working to improve our.

Speaker 9 (04:36):
Guys have been contacted by Michigan again.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I don't want to get into, you know, a lot
of that conversation. It's really just about my focus is
solely on, you know, being the best I can for
our players, for our staff, for our organization right now.

Speaker 11 (04:52):
The obviously you talked about the deccy shown that time again.
But then besides your research, you just missing all, right,
things like if you identify it a fundamental that he
kind of lapses to it caused him to.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Mist Yeah, there's without going into the detail here, there's
certainly fundamental things when you're not there's there between like
a physical air and a mental air right, and you know,
when there's physical airs, you always look at the fundamentals
across any position. If a tight end miss is a block,
are we fundamentally doing the right things with our hands
or our feet? If a receiver loses at the top
of the route, are we doing the right thing fundamentally

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on the release or at the break point. For a quarterback,
it's no different, like is there something with our feet
or something.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
Very rarely do you talk upper body a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
You talk, you know, lower body being in sync, using
the right drop, putting your you know, your eyes allow
you to be on time and be in rhythm. And again,
like you're a young quarterback playing in this league, like
there's gonna be some ups and downs there, and you know,
as often as we can, we want him to feel
confident and comfortable. And when he does and he lets
it rip, you know, he's as accurate as as you'd want.

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That's one of his greatest strengths is his accuracy. It's
just about getting, you know, sometimes putting the mental side
on the physical side together so that you can play
on time and play.

Speaker 8 (06:04):
Free and not go to the Harold Fan in well
as often as he has been and developed some trust
with a few other guys.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah, I don't think it has a lot to do
with a lack of trust across the board.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I think that Harold fan and well is a pretty
good one to be at.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I would say we have trust in our players, shadoras
trust and the guys that are out there. You know, Harold,
a lot of the times you're going to find them,
you know, within the progression. And you know, Harold's on
a nice job of winning consistently for us, as other
guys have as well. So this is not like a
force feed to Harold. It's just you know, sometimes the
coverage dictates it, and you know, Harold's on a nice

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job for us.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Looks like some operational problems, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
A couple issues there early.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know, you get backed up, you're far away, headset
goes out. There's some things there when it's real cold.
We just got to be better as a collective group.
You know, there's not one person at fault. There's not
one player at fault, one coach at fault. We just
got to be better as a collective group. All shoulder
of the blame that starts with me to make sure
that everybody's communicating the way we need to.

Speaker 12 (07:10):
We were talking to Shador and Jerry yesterday about some
of these later rotations that a lot of teams are shown.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Like I think that a lot of those looks.

Speaker 12 (07:15):
That should or saw on the Baltimore game kind of
resurfaced against the Bears. How much of it is something
that like you can really prepare for it because it's
tough to tell what a defensive going to do post snap,
But how much of it is like you can prep forward?
How much of it is it just kind of getting
a feel in game and making those.

Speaker 9 (07:31):
Adjustments and just yeah things.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, Bear certainly had some things early on that this
show that we adjusted to that they hadn't showed on film.
You know, some of the things up front that we
saw against Baltimore everysurfaced and you know, we have a
good plan there. I thought we thought our O line
staff did a really nice job in game. You know,
we got a pressure on the very first third down
of the game, like a free pressure, and then the

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rest of the game we were assignmon sound in where
we wanted to be protectionally there. So I thought we
did a nice job of adjusting to a new look.
You know, so much of what we talk about the
quarterback is where you put in your eyes, who are
your who's your key? And if you can, you want
to simplify it as much as possible. When a defense
is doing a lot of different things, you want to
keep their focus pretty narrow at the quarterback position and

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try to find specific areas of the field that you're
trying to key.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
You look at the Bills deep their pass deep in
the second in the league, how is utilize the run
name to help open up those opportunities in the past
game and create that balance.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Look, they do a lot of good things in coverage.
They got veteran players in the back end that have
been in that system a long time. Obviously head coach
is a defensive back guy by trade, and they take
a lot of pride, you know, and their ability to
have a vary of coverage, to have disguise in their
coverages and trying to keep you off balance. They do
a really nice job there and they focus on coverage.

(08:48):
You know, I think we have to find a balance.
We have to find the ability to run the ball.
You know, it's kind of been hot and cold for
us throughout the year, and we got to really rely
on that and find ways to get Q going and
the our allow our offense to be complimentary. Like when
you can run the ball well, it really opens up
a lot of things and you can stay efficient and
it keeps you in better situations on third down.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
So definitely a huge point of emphasis for us.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Judkins has literally hit the wall a lot of times.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
There's a wall of blockers and facts.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Do you think figuratively short of work at wall.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Too, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I think Q has been really good for us mentally,
He's engaged. Physically, he's doing well. You know, we got
to support around him, and we got to do a
good job of getting him opportunities to find seams like
we were doing there kind of in the midpoint of
the year.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
Off of Daniel's question, I guess a little bit.

Speaker 13 (09:40):
There's been a lot of commentary lately about like coverage
versus progression reads kind of going on around the NFL lately. Yeah,
I'm careious from your perspective, especially heavy coach in college too,
how do you what do you see from like a
young quarterback and in terms of how do you teach
that and how do you sort of how hard is
that to sort of adjudste from one to the other.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, the progression thing is interesting because I think as
soon as like McVeigh started talking about being in progressions,
like Stafford's playing in league how long and if they're
doing it, then you know, the adage with the progression
read for a long time was like it's great for
young players. You don't need to know the coverage or one, two, three, four,
you're across the.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Board, you know. I think that's all true.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
I think where you start to really see the success
of it is like guys can eliminate progressions pretty quick
based on coverage. So when you have a pretty good
idea of coverage and you're in a progression read, you
can get to the right side of the progression pretty quickly.
You know, when you play these teams that play a
lot of coverages, it gives you answers versus what you
could see instead of attacking a specific coverage. And then

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you know, when you're not sure because of disguise and
you're trying to pick a side or play those types
of past game concepts, then it's easier to say we're
going to start arise on this defender and we're going
to work through it. So Look, there's a couple of
different types of Reed families that they have gone around,
but certainly, you know, with young players with guys that
are veterans, you know, I think those still have a

(11:02):
lot of merit of kind of having catch all for
all the you know, defensive coaches are really good. They
do a good job with their coverage packages, and you know,
you want to have answers for your quarterback as often
as possible.

Speaker 14 (11:13):
What did you think of the incompletion of Jerry that
led to that what interception when you watched it back?
And this Jerry season as a whole, Like, why do
you think he hasn't been able to get closer to
that production.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
From last season?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, I mean, I I think I've been pretty like
I love Jerry Judy and I love what he brings
to our group. I love what he approaches the game with.
I love his commitment to football. You know, whether or
not he's made every catch that we wanted to make,
we're gonna still you know, feature him, We're still going
to work with him, We're still going to trust him.
Like none of that on our end has wavered at all.

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You know, that's why we still want to find ways
to utilize his strengths. And every time the ball goes
to Jerry, we have trust that it's going to be
a completion and we have trust that he's going to win.
And that's what Jerry and you know, has earned with us,
and we want to continue to pour into him and
continue to make sure that you know, fundamentally and mentally
and the things we're asking to do, we're continuing to
to bring the best out of him, and you know,

(12:09):
we do have trust that he's gonna make places for.

Speaker 12 (12:12):
Us moving forward, second deep past to to Isaiah kind
of motioned to them and like sure kind of made
like a change to his route. I guess from from
from off offers the staff, the office coordinator just like
how much of that is building to the offense and
kind of like was that something where even over over
the course of the season, like you guys are giving
like the piece more confidence to kind of adjust things

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on the fly when we see it.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, we have a lot of we want to have
a lot of trust in our guys. Right, there's gonna
be stuff they see on the field. There's gonna be
stuff that happened during the game, and that's something in
the quarterback room we talk about and we talk about
having a trust in communication and being able to certain
looks can take you to certain things. So you know,
I would I would say there's a trust level there
with our players that when they feel confident in something
that as coaches and players, we're gonna trust each other

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on that.

Speaker 11 (13:00):
So for me, the fact that cuinch Up's getting hit
behind the line so often and why yesterday talked about,
you know, facing six men up front, you gotta win
all you went on the block, he's a play called
how do you combat that when they're obviously.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Trying to take the run.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, we've got to be creative and ways to get
que going right, Like if they're gonna be heavy in
certain areas, we got to find ways to to you know,
access the part of the field where they're not. And
you know, against Chicago kind of you start backed up
and you go three and out and then you're you know,
it's a there's a swing in the game there where
all of a sudden, you know you're you're off script,

(13:37):
you're off openers, you're off you know what you intended
to be at and we got to find ways, even
within those times, to to continue to focus on you know,
allowing Q to He's created a lot of explosives for us,
He's carried games for us, So finding ways to continue
to have them, you know, impact the game.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
So your jumbo package was obviously affected by depth in Chicago.
I mean, you got you got got off the street.
It's tough, I guess to integrate amensary to your jumbo package,
but you get the full back back now.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
You love Aiden man.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
I just wondering if.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
If that will help quick set.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, Like I've said, Aiden does a great job and
the things that we ask him to do. You know,
we've had some injury issues, we've had some depth issues.
Tight end O line you. I do think it helps
our group. You know, we've been effective in that personnel
grouping he's done. Aiden's done a great job for us,
and you know, I'm sure that breeds confidence into those
situations for the rest of the group. You know, Aiden's

(14:36):
got a lot of energy, Like he comes in the huddle,
he's ready to go.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
He's hard headed. I mean, he.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Definitely instills some juice into the group when he's on
the field. So We're excited to have him back. He's
provided a lot of value for us this season and
it's good to get him back healthy.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
For certain about that good he.

Speaker 10 (14:54):
Said he should have slope balled it or.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
What is that?

Speaker 7 (15:00):
Late hands? Maybe? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Late like not allowing the dB to know when the
ball's coming typically is what late hands would mean.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
All good?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Thanks for the defensive coordinator. Jim Schwartz talked about the
unique rushing attack that the Buffalo Bills have with quarterback
Josh Allen and running back James Cook.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Is there a comp to Josh Allen that you can
you can draw from? Obviously, the ability of quarterback Tingston
plays a run is prevalent in the league. But I
mean specifically him, the body type, everything about the way
he does There is there something you didn't draw?

Speaker 15 (15:34):
Yeah, you know, Steve was a little bit shorter, but
reminds me of Steve McNair sort of circa two thousand
and two, two thousand and three. Steve early on a
lot like Josh was more of a threat with his
legs than he was in.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
The passing game.

Speaker 15 (15:55):
And then as he developed that the threat in the
passing game and control and everything else. The legs never
left and Steve was Steve ran like a fullback. Josh
Allen runs like a fullback. You know, there's no you know,
trying to grab grass and get away from stuff. He's
trying to score. He's trying to run people over. But

(16:17):
he's big, bigger than Steve was, you know, I mean
to our players. You know, he starts scrambling, it's a
lot like trying to tackle Derrick Henry because there's not
a whole lot of difference in the size of those
of those two guys. Great quarterbacks. He's developed every year.
He's MVP for a reason. You know, we had a

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work cut out for us, not just in the passing game,
but also the way he uses his legs to scramble
to buy time to create in the passing game, but
also to run for yardage.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Thirty one points in the last two games. What's the
state of things you think defensive played globally?

Speaker 15 (16:53):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing there, Tony is we
have to control the game by stopping the run, and
we didn't do that against the Titans, mainly because we
gave up two impact runs.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Both of them were touchdowns.

Speaker 15 (17:06):
One you know, whatever sixty five yards, you know, the
other one thirty three or whatever it was, you know,
And then this last week it was the same thing.
We didn't give up the big run. There was a
seventeen yard scramble, and we gave up the fourteen yard
or where we missed the tackle, you know, And if
you really look at it, you can parse it a

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lot of different ways. You can say, well, other than
those two runs, we gave up three to five a carry,
you know, and three five a carry over the course
of the season is going to be pretty good run defense.
What I was disappointed the most within those stats is
we didn't do a good enough job controlling that run.
They were able to consistently run it where we couldn't
really make it one dimensional for the passing game, you know,

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when they were able to force them to drop back.
We did a pretty good job in that in that regard,
but I'd say that's probably the biggest thing in there
is you know, and as your run game goes, generally
your red zone goes.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
And you know, we we I mean, we have.

Speaker 15 (18:09):
As big a challenges we've had the whole season with
the run game of Buffalo, not chess with James Cook,
who's an outstanding running back that can threaten all fifty
three and the third of the field and he can
run with power between the tackles. But you also have
to include the quarterbacks legs. He's rushed for five hundred
and some yards also, so fourteen two thousand yards between

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the two of them.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
If we allow Buffalo to control.

Speaker 15 (18:33):
The game in the run game by consistently getting yards
and like I said, like that three to five you
could probably you could probably you know, spin that as boy.
That was you know, three to five is good run defense.
But the consistency of getting three and four and five.
We had a couple of streaks against Chicago where we
lost like four snaps in a row, five snaps in

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a row and on those eighty yard touchdown runs. And
you if you allow a team to run the ball
that way, then you know they're going to be able
to control the game. So I'd probably say that's that's
probably the biggest The biggest thing for.

Speaker 10 (19:08):
Us is the reason Jim that uh, it's it's.

Speaker 9 (19:15):
But I heard what you just said, but you know,
it's really good.

Speaker 10 (19:18):
The first ten twelve weeks of the season, is it
because of injuries over yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
I mean everybody's got injuries.

Speaker 15 (19:26):
We don't look at that, and anybody it's on the field,
we expect to do their job and be able to play.
I think they're probably the biggest thing, like I said,
has been the last couple of weeks has been has
been run game. We held San fran in pretty good
check Christian McCaffrey. Then we gave up a couple of
big plays against against the Titans, and then last week

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was it was It wasn't the big plays.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
It was more to consistency at a.

Speaker 15 (19:52):
Run game, and you know, we need to we need
to be able to shed blocks a little bit better.
We didn't tackle very well and I'll go game, particularly
out on the perimeter, and we paid the price for it.
So you know, when it's all said and done, defenses
are judged by your ability to tackle, your ability to
stop drives, and a big part of that is stopping

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the run. So great challenge this week with Buffalo are
the best run offense in the NFL. So if if
we don't get it corrected, we won't stand a chance
in this game.

Speaker 11 (20:24):
But everybody's got injuries and you have to play jo
But how much do you miss Manzel yesterday.

Speaker 16 (20:31):
It's not like he's gonna plan wait this week.

Speaker 15 (20:35):
What a difference could you make if you do when
coming Well, he's one of the best corners in the NFL,
So you know, I mean, you know, certainly, you know,
having a guy like out there not only helps in
the past game, but also can affect the run game
just because of his ability to cover allows you to
devote more resources to the run. Right, But you know,

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guys that can't play, I mean, that's that's part of
the business. And you know, the other guys have to
step up. We have to come up with a good,
good plan for them, you know, you know, I think
we also, like we see how valuable Malik was to
the middle of our defense, penetrating, rushing the passer, tackles

(21:19):
for losses, those kind of things, and we need some
other guys. We've had a couple of injuries there. Aiden's
been out for a little while and you know, a
bunch of different stuff there, and Mason's been sort of
banged up a little bit, but he's been soldiering through.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
But we need to replace that production. Also, Mile scared.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Of the fact that you guys, well, whenever we talk
to defensive guys, they're all excited to rally around him
and help him try to get this record and all that.
The fact that he is getting so close to it
does that kind of add some excitement to your unit
and give you guys something to.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Railly around and play for.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I mean, as soon as he was with him five,
we all thought he could he could do it in
that game. I mean, because he's done that before. So
you know, I mean, you know that that just is
that just is what it is.

Speaker 15 (22:08):
But I'd say this, and this goes back to the
theme that Jeff and Tony were talking about, Like nobody
ever sacked a run play, you know, and you know,
you can get tackles for losses and they can affect
the game the same way a sack for four, tackle
for loss for four, second and fourteen.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Good.

Speaker 15 (22:26):
But like if if, if we don't consistently stop the
run game, if we don't throw teams into second and
long situations and third and long situations, it makes it
hard to rush the passer.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
So we have to do our part in there.

Speaker 15 (22:40):
We have to you know, we have to get like
you know, last week, we saw third down, we saw screens,
you know, we saw stuff like that because everybody knows
what our what our strengths are and how they try
to combat that.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
And it's up to us.

Speaker 15 (22:55):
Defensively, both individually in scheme and you know in all
eleven and two to force teams to be able to
have to drop back and pass, which would which would
help Miles, right, you know, I mean if if if
Buffalo comes out and runs at sixty sixty times, you're

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not gonna get any sacks, you know, if if you know,
if he gets a lot of opportunities, his success rate
is pretty high.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
And you know, we're pretty good pass rush team. So
I like those odds. But all ties back.

Speaker 15 (23:28):
And and that's the message, that's the message we have
is we gotta we gotta force teams to drop back
and throw and don't let them control the game with
the run game.

Speaker 13 (23:40):
I guess along those lines, Miles is very much talked
about how it's it's not just him, it is a
team effort. As you kind of alluded to, What would
it just mean for that entire group to to know
they had they helped him get to that market, especially
if he gets into one this weekend at home and
all those different things.

Speaker 15 (23:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody's concentrating on trying to
get a win first and foremost, but it would it
would certainly be nice to be able to get a
win and get the record, you know, I mean, like
you combine both of those, I think that's good and
certainly everybody would would celebrate that, and everybody would recognize

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the role that each person played in it, you know,
not just not just on defense, but the offensive scout team,
and you know all the different layers that go into it.
But you know, well we'll celebrate that, you know, when
it happens. But you know, the main focus this week
is trying to come out with a win and you know,
trying to trying to take away the strength of their offense,

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which is running the ball.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
And Josh Allen Scrambles.

Speaker 14 (24:45):
Said a lot about Carson already this season obviously, but
as the season has gone on and he's continued to perform,
have you seen you know, these opposing offenses and coordinators
do more to try to neutralize him or.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
Avoid him or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Yeah, he's he's still productive.

Speaker 15 (25:03):
I mean, you know, the middle linebacker is right in
the middle of everything, so you know, it's not like
a corner where you can throw away from him, or
a pass rusher that you can run away from, or
you know, you can chip to and stuff like that.
It makes a lot harder because he's right in the
middle of the defense. He's he's played outstanding for us.
And you know, i'd also mention you guys. You guys

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see the injury report every week. You know he has
a lot of times on Wednesdays and Thursdays that he's
not practicing very much. He has really impressed me with
his toughness and his ability to pay play through some
injuries and some pain. You know, it shows that shows
a lot of grit, That shows a lot of toughness.
And not only did the coaches appreciate that, but his

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his teammates appreciate that also. So you know, I mean,
coming back in a couple of weeks from a high ankle,
I mean, you know, it wasn't like it was magically
healed in two weeks. He had to he had to
really push threw that. And I've been I've been really
proud of him, and I know his teammates are too.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
They respect that, all right. Gosh.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Special teams coordinator Bubba Van Trone talked about how to
slow down Buffalo's Raid Davis, who leads the league and
yards per return on kickoffs.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Let's explain that the two touchbacks that went to the twenty.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
How does that happen?

Speaker 17 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean credit to I would say credit to Santos.
I mean there's there's wind in the game, obviously, and
when when the ball is low like that, you know, Yeah, yeah,
I would the one the one that, uh it was
more of like a line drive, didn't.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Hit the ground. I think it just kind of rose
up on him a little bit.

Speaker 11 (26:46):
So it was a kickoff return unit, so difficult to go.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Had a big time that game last week.

Speaker 17 (26:53):
Yeah, those those guys did a really good job. Tabs
has done a nice job with that unit. Obviously familiar
with him, was my coach here for two years. The
returner is really good. I think he's got good vision,
he's got good contact balance. He does an excellent job
of attacking coverage downhill. Like I just said, good vision,

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and they got it. They got a good core unit.
They got Andreas and Williams Franklin. Those guys are really.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Good blockers and have done a nice job for that
For that group. We've talked.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I mean, since the new rules come in about running backs,
you know, being effective in that. Yeah, we're during you know,
Ray Davis is you know obviously running back are you?
I mean, as you look across the league, as has
that sort of born out that the best return guys
have been running backs and what what do you feel like?

Speaker 9 (27:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (27:47):
I think I think you're definitely seeing some of that
for sure.

Speaker 17 (27:51):
Guys with guys with vision are I feel like, are
the guys that have been most effective on that on
that unit throughout the league. So it plays similar to
it plays similar to a run play honestly, with with
some of the schematics that are that are happening.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
You know, we've been asking about kick coverage A. Yeah,
it's probably the issue. You just have so many young,
unproven guys on that unit. You're kind of forced to
use those those players.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
I mean, we're we're playing with the best guys available.

Speaker 17 (28:27):
But I do think that it comes down to when
you're when you're covering punts, kickoffs, it really does come
down to like the fundamentals of the game, leveraging blocks,
block destruction, shedding blocks, tackling all those things factor and
you know there's I feel like the times where we've
had issues is when we're we're not executing those necessary

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fundamentals of the game.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
We're not leveraging the ball well enough.

Speaker 17 (28:57):
Specifically, like the last two weeks, like on our kicks out,
we haven't done a great job of playing outside into
the football. It's it's pretty basic principles that we haven't
executed that well.

Speaker 10 (29:09):
And you are such a great special teams thanks, but
Shid so, so how frustrating is that? Because I mean,
I'm sure these guys know what.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
You like, Yeah, like what we're like, what we're coaching
them to do.

Speaker 17 (29:28):
Yeah, I mean, it ultimately comes down to just the execution,
Like you got to be able to execute when the
when the bullets are flying. Yeah, I mean, look, it
can be frustrating as a player and as a coach
whenever you're not getting the results you want. But just
gotta we just got to keep working and keep trying
to improve and getting better at those things, you know.

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I mean, and back to your point, Yeah, we've we've
had a good amount of younger players out there that
haven't had as much experience, so you know, there's times
where we've had to learn the hard way.

Speaker 18 (30:01):
So it talks about how special teams.

Speaker 19 (30:05):
Uh is a lot of want to?

Speaker 13 (30:08):
Do you feel like there's enough want to?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I need?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Yeah, I think that. I think that there's one too.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
I do.

Speaker 17 (30:13):
I think that there's one too. I think that our
guys have and I'll say this, we haven't. We haven't
played nearly to our standard. I mean, that's clearly obvious,
but I do. I do think that the guys are trying.
I do think that they're trying.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
Is one of those fundamentals that you talked about that
you pick is hampering this team the most on the
team for that.

Speaker 17 (30:38):
I would, I would honestly probably say, like, just like
the two that I mentioned, just leverage, leveraging the ball,
and getting off of blocks. So I think we need
to be able to shed, shed violently, shed more violently,
you know, to be able to get off of blocks.
That happened in the Tennessee game. It happened last week.
And then playing outside into the ball, not taking the

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easiest release tabes you actually say, uh, don't take the
river release the release of lease resistance.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
You know, we try it. We're trying to coach that.
So you played for him, and yeah, coach for him.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
But where does Tabor rank in the special teams community?

Speaker 17 (31:25):
It was it was uh, Me and Tabes had a good,
a good run out of here for two years. He
was that was his first year as a coordinator, in
eleven and then in twelve obviously his second season.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
But we had it. We had a really good relationship.

Speaker 17 (31:39):
We don't talk as often now, obviously, but we had
a good, really good relationship.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
He trusted me quite a bit.

Speaker 17 (31:46):
I gave him a lot of inputs what we did
back then with calls and schemes and things like that,
and I think he respected me for that. I think
he's a really good football coach. Does a nice job
in the return game obviously, so.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
He had cribs those two years, and and then Travis
Benjamin who ended up yeah, being pretty good too. Are
some special teams coaches noted for a certain part of
special teams, like this guy's always had good returners, this
guy's always had blockers, or.

Speaker 17 (32:18):
Yeah, well so he's He was an assistant in Chicago
before he came to us, so he was with Tob
Dave Tobe, who's in Kansas City. Tob's obviously been known
for his return game. Obviously, he had hester in Chicago.
He's had a number of really good returners in Kansas City,
So I guess you could say that, you know, he's
kind of from that, like Tob Tree.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
You heard that, I drink it on Sunday considered was Yeah,
part of a kick is that?

Speaker 11 (32:45):
And then just also to considering you know what happened
in week one, just you know, what have you seen
from him, you know throughout the season, how he's bounced
back from that?

Speaker 17 (32:54):
Yeah, I mean we were we were kind of like
at our nearly at our max uh as far as
like distance that we were able to hit from.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
So you know, really I mean.

Speaker 17 (33:04):
Credit credit him for the execution on the kick. Obviously
we get the hole down well, we protect and just
really good execution on the play and and and really
cold temperatures. It was the ball definitely was not flying
like it had been in previous weeks. And then for
him to just be able to you know, bounce back
after that first game kind of like reset he had.

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He has had really good practice weeks. I feel like
he has done a good job you know, throughout the season.

Speaker 13 (33:35):
Touchbacks real quick is that basically like how you coacht that?
Then like if it's a line drive type kick, that's
gonna maybe be sort of harder to handle. Are you
just telling guys to let it go to the end zone,
will take it at the twenty?

Speaker 17 (33:47):
No, not necessarily. I mean we want to try to
field every single ball possible. I will say that there
are times where if the ball doesn't take up, like
say the ball does hit the ground and you don't
feel it clean and it does end up rolling into
the end zone, don't make a bad play worse because
then you can still get the touch back at the twenty.
But ideally we want to feel every ball if possible,

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and then and then obviously return it.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
It does affect the return when the ball gets to
the ground.

Speaker 17 (34:15):
There, it's just less there's more time that you have
to sustain a block, there's more space for the coverage
player to be able to run around, so that timing
of the return doesn't really match up if the ball
is on the ground and you don't get it clean. Now,
if it hits the ground and you get it on
like one hop, that's just less time that it's taking
for the return. So you know that everything impacts it.

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Now that the other thing that hurts too is like
when the ball does hit the ground. As a blocker,
you don't really know how long the ball is on
the ground for because you're not you're not watching the
returner like.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Pick the ball up.

Speaker 17 (34:48):
So like as you go back, as you're like seeing
the returner, okay, the balls on the ground, my eyes
go back to my guy.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Does he feel it clean?

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Does he not?

Speaker 17 (34:57):
So there's some like gray area there as a block
you don't know how long. So we give our guys
some things that they that they use and their technique.
So all right, guys.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Offensive guard Joeltonio is our first player up today and
he spoke on how he's been recovering from his knee injury.

Speaker 16 (35:15):
Good better than I was last week at this time.
So that's that's improvement. Got to get out on the
practice field do some stuff today. So yeah, but improvement.

Speaker 9 (35:25):
See why I was able to get back here in
the last body.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
He's just what kind of a boost.

Speaker 16 (35:28):
Could that be if he's able to do yeah, big,
It's it's been good to see him. He's attacked to rehab,
you know, really just putting his his you know, whole
foot forward to try and try and get out there
and play for us. You know, obviously Tevin's been banged
up as well, so it's, uh, it's a big boost.
I mean, we're trying to get the run game go,
We're trying to you know, protect so anytime we get

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good lineman back, it.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Helps us a lot.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
You're talking six mini for six minute, you guys are
facing on a different that is when you kind of
plank on. Guys want so how much you're an issue?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Is that in?

Speaker 7 (36:00):
And what's the recipe to beating?

Speaker 16 (36:02):
Yeah, we've had a lot of loaded looks. Really it
comes down to execution. Like you watch the tape, and
at the end of the day, it's like, if we
make that block a little bit better, you know, like
we have a chance to be a little bit more.
So there's some scheme stuff obviously that you get beat
on every once in a while, but end of the day,
it's like we have to execute the blocks and we
have to make those plays. And when it is a

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lot of one on ones and you're not getting as
many double teams, then the execution becomes even more important.

Speaker 20 (36:29):
You guys always saying yeah, yeah, yeah, you have ten
guys doing us, right.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Who always going to mistake?

Speaker 20 (36:36):
So Mike question, is Dud's good teams overcome those those
situations sometimes?

Speaker 9 (36:44):
For sure.

Speaker 16 (36:45):
I mean there's good teams, you know, have there's some
great players in this league that can make you know
plays no matter what. But a lot of times those
teams are executing at a higher level. Like when we
were successful in our playoff runs and are you know,
more successful seasons. I think we're executing at a higher
level and there was just more efficiency, more big plays.

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All those things add up over time. And when you
can't get the run game going early, then you have
to pass and they can pin their ears back. It's
not a recipe for success with such a young, you
know offense. Yeah, it's I mean, it's a whole offense, right,

(37:33):
Like you know, Quinn John is still the same runner
he was early in the season, so he, uh, you know,
if we give him a lane, he's gonna make plays
for us. And I think we just have to continue
to execute. And I think getting a little rud sometimes
like are we gonna see it? Are we gonna see it?
And if we can get one to break this week
or or get a good play, I think you get
right back on track. And so last couple of weeks
have been tough, but he's worked just as hard. He's

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put his head down and you know, the guy wants
to be great, So I'm not worried about a you know,
a couple of weeks sample size them.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Juell, how have you seen.

Speaker 13 (38:03):
When it comes to you know, seeing certain looks and
the Bear show a lot of like simulated pressures that
drought the converstion.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
Sort of communicate some of these things.

Speaker 14 (38:10):
To you guys.

Speaker 16 (38:12):
Yeah, it's it's difficult. I mean, this league is tough.
The Bears did a great job. The Bills are probably
up there in disguise as well, So it's gonna be
a it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
A challenge for us.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
But he's grown.

Speaker 16 (38:23):
When he first came in the game. You know, I
think you saw, you know, some similars from Baltimore that
we we hadn't picked up, and I think against the
Bears we actually did. There's one or two that there
was an unblocked guy, but overall, I think we picked up.
The pressure is a lot better, and that that's just
communication from the center to the quarterback. They're on the
same page. We're kind of seeing things through the same
lens and that's been big for us.

Speaker 11 (38:47):
Prete should go on files and Ton, but and he's
close to getting this record now pint with him. Prep
What kind of amazing is I guess this game is
player being around him that I think his ability.

Speaker 16 (39:02):
I mean just like you see guys that are good
in this league, you know, and he's just a step
above him. I mean, he has every tool you want
as a pass rusher, you know, his power, his speed,
his get off. I think his ability to bend is underrated.
Like his ankle flexion, which is real nerding out aligne

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D line stuff, but his ankle flection where he can
bend and turn the corner is unmatched at his size.
Like there's guys that can do it at two hundred
and forty pounds, you know, but he does it at
two hundred, I don't know, eighty pounds, and so like
it's just a different, different person playing this game.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
And he's been successful this year.

Speaker 16 (39:38):
And to be fair, like if you want to look
a big picture our game scripts, how many pass attempts
they have gone against, it's actually not even like at
like it's even more impressive than what the stat show.
I think I think he's he's been unbelievable this year
and you know, hopefully can get a few and get
give the sack record. We'll try and do our pardon

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offense to make him pass ball a little more.

Speaker 8 (40:01):
Joe, why yesterday?

Speaker 21 (40:02):
It is there a moment that you remember thinking, like
when Miles first got to w first man and like.

Speaker 16 (40:08):
All this guy is diret I mean from the first
day he got here. Here we drafted this guy and
he was, you know, a freak, you know, like like
he was making things out. Joe Thomas was not practicing
much of that time, so we didn't get to see
him like go against each other. Part of that reason
probably was because Miles was such a freak, right, like,

(40:29):
you know, he needed some uh some playsoff I had
to play left tackle for training camp one year against
Miles and I was like, all right, this isn't very fun.

Speaker 14 (40:36):
You know.

Speaker 16 (40:36):
So since day one, he's, uh, he's been that guy,
and I think he's continued to develop his his craft
and become even more technical with his rushes.

Speaker 9 (40:45):
Bill going to be in the hall of thing.

Speaker 20 (40:48):
You know, you sure a position with Joe and.

Speaker 10 (40:53):
You know, offense meetings and stuff like that.

Speaker 20 (40:56):
Do you have an opportunity to just like kind of.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
The job like with just to like so being around
great player.

Speaker 16 (41:04):
And a teammate like that, right, So you know, I'm
not in the meetings with him as much, but experiencing
on game they like like watching him rush the passer
and watching how quick other teams have to throw the
ball or how many guys are blocking him. Like that's
why I you know, I did the Top one Hunter
interview yesterday and I talked about him as my number
one guy, just because he's the only guy in the

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league where you change everything about your offense. Like every
team throws quicker, they slide to him, they double team him,
they chip him. Everything is planning to stop this guy,
and he still makes plays. And so I think coming
you know, that talent.

Speaker 17 (41:36):
Is just.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
You know, super impressive.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Jo.

Speaker 9 (41:40):
How do you know, Luke?

Speaker 7 (41:43):
Yeah, I've tried to do my part.

Speaker 16 (41:44):
Luke's been all year, he's been you know, very locked
into her calls and trying to learn from Poe and
those things. But when you get thrown in the fire,
I think it's a little bit different. So I've I've
tried to help him make some calls if he needs to,
just try and help his development. If I feel like, hey,
you can do this better, or you can do this,
or hey, you're talking too much. Shut up right now.
You know, all those little things like kind of add up.

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But he wants it. He works hard, he puts in
the work. We've been lifting together all year, Like he
comes in early with me on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
to get our lifts in. So he's always kind of
been in my wing. And now that he's playing, I can,
you know, try and help him, give him some pointers.
But he puts in the work, and I think that's
the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Linebacker Carson Swessinger talked about staying disciplined when playing against
a dual threat quarterback like Josh Allen.

Speaker 11 (42:31):
Carson, you're just talking to Schwartz earlier and he was,
you know, a complimenting you're playing through the angle and
now we talked about it weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
But are you still feeling it? Obviously amity infected?

Speaker 19 (42:40):
Yeah, I think, and you're gonna feel something like that
for the rest of the year.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
But you know, it's just kind of what it is now.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
You feel interest like.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
I don't think you're out of games.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
No, I don't.

Speaker 19 (42:48):
I wouldn't go out there if I think it would
affect me in games. But it's just a matter of
trying to stay on top of it throughout the week
to do Yeah, I think that offense runs through him,
you know, and especially you know when you get the
extended plays on the third downs. It's a matter of

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knowing what we're in and and and what the plan
on on those plays are to contain him, and just
a matter of having you know, right eyes when when
he does and then latching on downfield you know, to
eliminate the throws with the scramble and then you know,
being able to contain the scramble so he's.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Got touchdowns on the ground matters to be read.

Speaker 19 (43:29):
Kind of pick your eyes on him once you get Yeah,
I think like I just said, with the scramble and
then also you know, once they get into the red
zone and things like that, you gotta you know, have
your antenna's up for more cute design QB run plays.
You know, they don't want to, you know, use him
throughout the whole field, but that's plays when you got
to have it, and so you always gotta be ready
for that.

Speaker 21 (43:46):
About the run defense and the challenge with not just him,
Sam number two in the league break out and Jim
who maybe comment that.

Speaker 19 (43:55):
Chance in this game if you can't fix the more, Yeah,
we gotta be able to stop the run. And I
think with them, you know, they know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna do it, and they just you know,
are gonna keep running it. And for us, it's just
a matter of you know, being physical and staying disciplined
throughout you know, every play. We can't have a lapse
on a play here, and then just getting all eleven
guys to the ball every play, Uh, makes up for

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a lot the.

Speaker 20 (44:18):
Last two games. Now, you guys, standards, what do you
have to do to get back to the where you
were playing one?

Speaker 19 (44:25):
Yeah, I think kind of like I just said, we
gotta you know, stay disciplined throughout the all four quarters.
We can't have you know, eight good plays against run
defense and then and then one bad play. It's got
to be you know, nine straight good plays and uh,
and then you know, like I said, just stay discipent
through that and then you know, getting everybody to the
ball throughout the whole game.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
You just you talking about how likes to challenge the
ages not asking to give anyway, but just what type
of pressure is that before going even when they got
a fact.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
That's a strong and fastest seams, just go to challenge
the felt challenge.

Speaker 19 (44:59):
Yeah, he's a bag that will go anywhere. You know,
he can jump, cut to any any part of field
and get where he wants to get. And so it's
just you know, as a defense, you got to have
strong edges.

Speaker 9 (45:09):
And then and then be able to run in the ball.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Person of Jerome obviously based.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Josh a lot. You knows Doune in Miami.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Has he killed the guys anything when with his life
basically experiences job.

Speaker 19 (45:24):
Yeah, he gives, he gives his insight on just you know,
certain things and then you know you also see it
throughout just watching film and things like that.

Speaker 11 (45:32):
Defense issues in last mornings. Do you feel any of
it is kind of everybody getting worn down? I mean,
you guys have been you know a lot of tough spots,
a lot of short fields.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Late to hear you get sent it all.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
No, No, I think no, I don't think.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
So does it put does it put extra stress in
the linebackers?

Speaker 11 (45:49):
That's safety when you have that combo.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Running quarterback and also he realized so much of his
tight ends too, because that just added more stress.

Speaker 9 (45:56):
I wouldn't say more stress.

Speaker 19 (45:58):
I think you just have to you know, there's a
sure face that we have to be prepared for. And
then you know, you could throw the d line in
there too. They got to, you know, with with how
we're rushing and figure out what rush we're gonna do.
And you know, they got to know what the plane
is to containing. We got to know what the plane
is and and the dv's got to know the defensive is.

Speaker 7 (46:15):
So good all your own how forlorn is it you
guys to finish?

Speaker 9 (46:19):
Yeah, we we gotta finish Sean.

Speaker 19 (46:21):
And I think you know, every time we go out there,
we're trying to earn respect and and that's really the
standard we're trying to set when we go out there.

Speaker 21 (46:28):
Person, how do you think like a long road line
that Jim keeps you guys motivated as a as a coordinator.

Speaker 19 (46:34):
In your Yeah, I think that's that's what he's been
preaching is you know, you know there's a lot of
things that you know are going to fade away, but
you know, go out there and earn respect every player
out there, and you know, when you when you get off,
you know that that's what you know you should really
be proud of, is how what you put on tape.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Finally, safety Grant delp And talked about what he's seen
on film from the weapons that the.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Buffalo Bills have at their disposal.

Speaker 21 (46:58):
From Todd Ballen and the against the people were Rigimnates
of comment, it's like trying to tack him Derrick Henry Quick.

Speaker 18 (47:07):
Yeah, you know, of course we know, uh MVP, that's y. Yeah,
so of course, you know a great player offense is clicking.
We know it's a it's a duel that quarterback like
the scramble and throw the ball down the field as well.

Speaker 9 (47:21):
So yeah, you know great overall quarterback.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Kevin and Jim both said Josh's balls like trying to
go after that.

Speaker 20 (47:30):
You agree with that, and just so you gotta what.

Speaker 7 (47:32):
What's that like having to try and rest to the guy.

Speaker 20 (47:37):
It's like that thing.

Speaker 18 (47:39):
Yeah, I don't know, I I really I think I
played him once. So but that's a big quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
You know you just gotta do.

Speaker 9 (47:47):
You gotta hit him like a running back.

Speaker 18 (47:48):
You know he's gonna act act after the play like
you hit him in the head and stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
So, uh, they try to look out for the quarterback,
but you can't really worry about that. You just gotta,
you know, do all you can.

Speaker 18 (47:58):
If if they running like that to gonna get him
on the ground.

Speaker 20 (48:01):
Man, what do you guys have to do to get
back to the run defense? You are playing earlier and.

Speaker 9 (48:08):
Stopped and run, you know, I think that's uh what
it comes down to. It's easier said than done. For
like you could do a.

Speaker 18 (48:16):
Great job stopping and running in two plays. You know,
they they open up and it'll be like they rush
for five yards of carry off of two plays. So
just try to do everything you can tonight, zone out
in those moments and and stay locked in for the
whole game.

Speaker 20 (48:31):
But it's just something that has the next single, the
last couple of weeks front or the team fun domandos
or anything.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Nah grant, Uh, you guys talk so much about my
chasing the sack record. He's talking about how he gets
they ever do with how you guys behind him.

Speaker 14 (48:51):
As fell round to what would team for at a
collective the entire.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
Defense if you have to kind of promise that.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
And can get that big check off with you.

Speaker 13 (49:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (49:01):
I mean that's that's one for the history books, you know.

Speaker 18 (49:06):
Often, like I said, like I think he's gonna be
the greatest of all time when it's all said and done.
So looking back, you know, in ten years or whatever,
when we looking back at this is gonna be special.
So and you know, I'm looking forward to it, man,
So hopefully does it one of our home games, gus.

Speaker 13 (49:23):
Uh, something that you're excited about in the season when
you you're not going.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Into your play off?

Speaker 9 (49:28):
Is that you guys?

Speaker 18 (49:32):
Yeah, I mean me personally, no, but uh that I
I think that's that's something special saying that.

Speaker 9 (49:40):
So uh, i'm'a'm'a let him handle that and and do
what we do.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
Who your personal season this year?

Speaker 9 (49:50):
Personally? You know, I th I alright, you know, left
some players out there.

Speaker 18 (49:55):
It's hard to be satisfied with a person season when
you have three wins, so you know it's not the
end of the season yet. So still got still got
tryed to put some good tape out there and uh,
you know, make some plays.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So how about the special change? What do you guys?
Do you just try to rally or French Street?

Speaker 18 (50:15):
Yeah, I you know, I think the message is finishing strong.
You know, message is the ultimate measure of a man,
you know when it when times is hard. So you know,
it hasn't been perfect for us on special teams. It
hasn't been hasn't been good, hasn't been uh up to
that standard.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
So it's really just about.

Speaker 18 (50:31):
Especially for the young guys man at the at these
games at the end of the year, you know, realizing
that they don't they don't come like, don't take it
for granted.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
You know, this is the NFL, and the tape doesn't.

Speaker 18 (50:44):
It won't say that you was you had three win
when you was three and eleven when this play happened.

Speaker 9 (50:48):
It'll just be the play.

Speaker 18 (50:49):
So that's what we gotta appreciate the guys and make
sure they take advantage of every moment, right which shits
up today.

Speaker 9 (50:55):
We don't put this one game proactive.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
We don't stand the chickens in this game.

Speaker 9 (51:00):
Yeah yeah, I mean pretty harsh.

Speaker 18 (51:02):
I seen, It's pretty generic across across the league though.
You know, if you don't stop the run, I don't
think you stand a chance in the NFL. All these
uh great ball handlers and in big office alignment that
us around the league.

Speaker 9 (51:14):
So listen.

Speaker 18 (51:16):
You know James Cook, he's a he's a ah elu
elusive back. You know, he's gonna try to test the
edges like we saw Swift do last week. You know,
really just running outside no matter if you got the
air set or not. You know, he's gonna he's gonna
try to test you.

Speaker 9 (51:29):
So you know, hopefully we do.

Speaker 18 (51:33):
We can't put that pressure on them get that ball
out too. You know, we know they they've had their
fumbling issues, so trying to get some takeaways.

Speaker 21 (51:40):
No what you were this year when you made that
comment about what you forgot what we need, it's felt
like to yeah, for the last two years, like it's
trying that get.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Captured that few part of your wife.

Speaker 21 (51:50):
Even though this just don't have a play on it's
like a chance today, like until he can still be
chasing out.

Speaker 20 (51:56):
Of this point.

Speaker 18 (51:58):
I mean, look like everything thing I do is like
to win. You know, Like everything I wake up in
the morning, I'm trying to win. The day, I'm trying
to I'm trying to do everything.

Speaker 9 (52:07):
I can to win. On Sunday.

Speaker 18 (52:10):
With every breakfast to dinner, you know, it's nothing, it's
like every they regimented of my life. You know, it's
like just me speaking personally. So when you're not winning,
of course, it's frustrating and it really gives you a good,
really picture at the at the the magnitude of like

(52:32):
the game we're playing, it's like you can try to
do everything you can, it's not working. But you know,
what are you gonna do about it? You know, are
you gonna just lay down and really you know, like
folding and really just lay down, And.

Speaker 9 (52:48):
It's just not like what I am, you.

Speaker 18 (52:49):
Know, I think I don't think that we had those
type of players in our locker room, just that it's
gonna lay down and quit.

Speaker 9 (52:55):
So it's been like this last year as well. So
at the end of the day, like you and a
bad guy. But it is what it is, cause you know,
I gotta eat too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it hurts.

Speaker 18 (53:25):
Everybody wants to win, it's obvious, and when it's not working,
it's not it's not fun to say the least, especially
because we devote you.

Speaker 9 (53:34):
Know, I like to this.

Speaker 18 (53:35):
It's this I feel like, you know, it's more than
a game like this, it's my life at the end
of the day. So I think that, then again, it
just goes back to to you know, plays you wish
you had back and this, that and the third. But
you just gotta do everything you can do to realize
that it's not a lost season, you know, uh all,

(53:57):
it's gonna make the glory better in the end. So
thank you that mentality and moving in next week.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
That'll do it for this episode of the From the
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