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I'm good, Jinks? What's up, buddy?
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
It does test good especially the last season that we had.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:04):
Things are just starting to pay. It's just something special
about what we've been feeling. Man, I'm still on that
high from last year, and I feel like this team
understand what it has to do to continue that same
kind of mentality, that same kind of run.
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Inning podcast. Now it's finally here, the Commander's Nationals Crossover.
You know these guys, mister National, Ryan Zimmerman, Dan cole
Co Nationals TV host, How you guys doing doing great?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Good man? Thanks for having us. It's uh, it's exciting
to be over here and guys got a good thing going.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, it's nice to finally win.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
No question, winning is fun. You'll probably I've cut you.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I probably expected Fred, but I feel in front for
the day.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So are you gonna act like Fred or nobody? Nobody? Nobody?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Okay, Fred, But I'm happy that they call me because
you know, I'm gonna show him how he's supposed to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Over well, Fred keeps saying he wants to host my
bachelor party, which I think we've all agreed here is
when Tann is like.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
No, as long as he don't he don't do it
on a boat, we are right, that's all.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm not like I think it's a hard no, Like
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's one of those things good in theory, but in
practice you're like, I don't now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Now, I will say this, if you let your if
you let your friends set it up and let him
come and beat the host.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's why I'm trying to get you guys there. I'm
trying to get Logan there. I need a family man
there to like like pull me out, you know, like
out of the quick sand.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So we'll see how that goes down.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If I'm I got you back, okay, I'll make sure you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We got to make you help.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So guys, first of all, let's let's talk about your
podcast that you guys started, and then we can talk
about the national season.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So this just got.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Underway and I saw it online a few weeks ago.
So how did this get underway? And when can we
see it.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean it kind of just started. I guess
this offseason. They kind of asked us if we had
any interest in doing it. And I've never been a
social media a media person, and you know i've been
this is my fourth year retired, and figured it was
about time to do something. So, you know, me and
Dan thought would be fun, and you know, we have
fun with it. I think we talked baseball, but we're
(04:21):
trying to get other people on and expand it. You know,
DC has so many cool things other than sports. Obviously
we talked sports, but you know, the things you can
do in DC food scene just there's a bunch of
good stuff. So that's kind of how that was. I
guess the thought process behind it. And like I said,
I think we've done five so we're we're still learning
or I'm learning, he's he kind of leads me.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
This is the National's twenty first year of existence.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
So now at this point we've gone from a young
team that didn't really have a lot in terms of
alumni players and history that now we've got guys that
we can bring back and reminisce about the World Series
year or just good good times that have happened in
the past, so we do some that, but I mean
it's great at being here with you guys and kind
of the crossover with other teams. We had t Joshi
(05:06):
and Nicholas Backstrom on from the Capitols a couple of
episodes ago, Scott Van Pelt joined us. So we just
want to have some of the cool ties here in DC,
whether they're baseball related or not, and just make it
a DC centric, you know, media opportunity, and Ryan and
I have a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
We joke around.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
We want fans to send in funny comments and questions
and stuff like that. So it's been really enjoyable for
us so far.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Not Ryan.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
For you, being dead is kind of new to you
because I remember being a fish out of water for myself.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Do you find yourself saying okay, I know baseball, but
then get in front of this mic is a lot
different from when I was in front of that mike
at the game speaking in the press conference.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I mean, have that transition been.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
For you this and then doing I've done some of
the broadcasts. Oh yeah, and you get nervous, Yeah, because
you're like, oh no, what what if I don't know
what to say? But you know, once you get going,
I think you have fun with it, and especially if
you have good guests or if you're talking about things
that you enjoy talking about, we find, you know, we
get going and then all of a sudden, it's almost
(06:11):
like an hour and they're like, hey, you need to
wrap it up, and I'm like, man, we could have
talked for another thirty minutes, another hour. So I enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed it more than I thought I would. And
you know, for me, it's it's fun. I mean that's
what I do with my buddies at home. Yeah, I
hang out, we talk about sports, we talk about you know, food, restaurants,
things like that. So why not just do it? Do
(06:33):
it in front of other people.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
And we're you know, all of us are around the
same age. I feel like you guys probably feel the
same way. Like to Ryan's point, like it's just guys
talking about sports, about funny stuff that happened in their life.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Like just some guys talking.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
That's right, that's right. And there's microphones and cameras here too.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. No, And what is it like for you?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Because I've gone through this with Tanna with Smooth some
of these guys where you covered Ryan as a player, Yeah, right,
and now it's like and now we're working together. So
sometimes it's it's strained to me. And while like I
remember being the locker room cover in Santana, Ore, we're smooting.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now it's like and now we're working together. So what
has that transition been like.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
It initially I think was a little different.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
But Ryan and I, like, you know, I covered him
for a long time and it was a reporter, broadcaster,
player type of relationship. And then as time has gone
on and as he's been retired, like we'll see each
other at social situations now, Like we ran into each
other at the Caps game the other day. He was
sitting six rows in front of me on the glass
of course, of course, but like, well we'll get drinks
(07:32):
on occasion. It's kind of more from like a you know,
relationship at the ballpark to us just kind of being
around each other in a different sort of way. And
I just like that I can tee him up to
tap into his brain and get like I like to
joke that Ryan, when he was playing, you become a robot, right,
(07:54):
Like that's kind of what they want you to become now.
I can show, I can help show people that he's
got a personality, he's got a sense of humor because
he really does, so just trying to pull that out
of him and help help people see that.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I mean, I think it was just easier to be
that way when you play, especially for us. You guys
played once a week, so it was a little bit different.
But when we play, we played every day. So it
was just easier for me to basically say the same thing,
good or bad, whether I played well or bad. Like
and honestly, the media, they didn't stop coming to me,
but they knew what I was going to say, and
(08:26):
you know, I think people respected that. And you know,
I think the players that end up doing this, you
still have to realize it, like I've learned. You got
to remember how hard the game was. It's it's not
it looks way easier when you're talking about it. Yeah,
So I try and make sure I do that. But
you know, people just want to hear I mean, this
day and age, everyone wants to hear things that they
(08:48):
think they can't hear anywhere else, or like the insight
or peeling back the curtain, like we say, like that's
what people want to hear, and I think, you know,
sports has been so they not do that for so long,
and I think a lot of this media stuff now
allows us to do that within within reason, I guess,
is the best way to put it.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
Yeah, we'll tell, we'll sell some of the stories that
happened behind the scenes, not all of them.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah, maybe, but what's right?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And maybe it's for both of you guys here, which
is at what point didn't your in your respective careers,
did you become maybe comfortable being in front of the
camera or comfortable opening up a little?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, Zim, I remember, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Because I'm definitely the oldest guy here. Like I remember
covering you in RFK when you were drafted and there
was like Ryan Zivery, Money's.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
To the face of this ranchise and you are still
to this day.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That means a long time ago. But initially it was like, oh,
you know, kind of quiet, you know, kind of to himself.
And now you know, Tanner, I remember you started working,
we started working together. So to see you guys both
come along has been very fascinating to watch. When did
you each sort of feel like, Okay, now I feel
like I can be a little bit more myself.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well as a player.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think it happened to me later in my career,
especially when I kind of felt it was coming to
the end. Like I was able to say, you know,
let me go out here and you know, change the narrative.
You know, when we play the game, and it's easy
to say, Okay, this happens.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So we're going to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I used to jump ahead of the media, say hey,
I'm open, so I could come and then talk, and
then they get a different perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's not because you know, let's say we played. We
had a game. I remember this game like it was yesterday.
I come off an injury.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I had a growing spraying or strained rather and we're
playing Green Bay. If I'm not mistaken, I fumbled the ball,
Charlie Wison runs it back for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I believe they beat us by two points and we
can eat.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And I did a bunch of other things that weren't
like myself. But I was coming off injury. So I'm
saying to myself, I sucked. We lost the game because
of me. Probably not, but still I put it on myself.
I immediately got in front of the camera and said
it look, man, I should have played better.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
We lost that game because of me.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
The media probably could have tore me up and just say,
trying to drop the pass, he fumbled the ball, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I got ahead of it so.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And by that time I knew what I was doing.
Now I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm the one that's creating
the narrative instead of with them, because I've got a
chance to really be around long enough to know that, Hey,
just open up and talk to him. And it was
easy as crap to do that once I started realizing, like, look, man,
on good games and bad games, just get out there
(11:14):
and speak your piece. And when I started doing that, man,
they kind of like, you know, they wouldn't even want
to come talk to me all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So you know, that's when it kind of hit me.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But it took probably like ten years before I started
doing that.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, I think he's right at the beginning, you just
don't want to do anything wrong, Like the veteran guys
are like, hey, speak when spoken to, don't you know,
they'll come ask you. But I think what he said
is it's spot on. Like the media is pretty easy
to deal with it think about it. When you do well,
they're going to ask you questions about how great you are.
And when you do bad, they're gonna ask you questions. Right,
(11:49):
I mean, it's really not bad. And if you're the
same person when you have a bad game like he
said as when you have a good game like then
they start to respect you. And I think, honestly, I
think the fans respect you more for that too. I mean,
you know, if you continually mess up, they're gonna you know,
they're gonna get upset. But I think they understand a
lot of them understand that your humans are going to
make mistake and if you just own up to it
(12:11):
and say, hey, I'm gonna be better, I'm not going
to do it again, you know, getting out ahead of
it and just controlling the narrative. But it takes a
while to get the courage to be able to do
that at that point.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So here we are, and you got a Nationals team
that you know is still building. But man, it has
to be pretty exciting to follow these guys because I mean,
I don't have to tell you there's just a lot
of young talent that we're sort of watching blossom, like
right in front of us.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah, And I think going into this year, Ryan and
I have talked about this. The wins and losses are always
going to be what's most important, right But when you
are trying to rebuild the entire organization, secondarily what's most
important is the guys that you think are are guys.
Will they really become that will these young players that
you feel like are going to be the next building
(12:55):
blocks for your next championship organization? Will they rise to
that level or do you maybe have to pivot? Is
that guy not as much a part of the future
picture as you thought? And for the Nats this year,
c j Abrams, a shortstop, has bounced back from a
tough ends to last year and been a stud. James Wood,
the local boy, has been a stud. Dylan Cruz has
(13:18):
been ups and downs. Number two overall pick from a
couple of years ago, but has shown that.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
He's got a lot of ability.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
So I think that that has been really important. And
Ryan and I talk about it all the time too.
When you've got a young team, there's gonna be ups
and there's gonna be downs. Like you're gonna have stretches
that are really impressive as a team and then you're
gonna go through a stretch where you lose ab out
of nine like the Nats did recently. But I think
overall the development of some of the young pieces is
really important, and we've seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, when you.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Play so many games, I've always wanted this because you know,
we all go through those slumps.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, don't matter if.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You play baseball, basketball, football, even you know, I see
guys on a golf course out there, you have their days,
but baseball you play so many games. So we was
always told ourselves as football players, you as good as
your last performance, and so you're eager you're busting your
behind the hair up and get to Sunday again or
(14:14):
whatever that day that game may fall on. Baseball wise,
when you had probably one of your worst games or
didn't play your best and know you got to go tomorrow,
how do you get that out of your head and
try to because you know you would think that that
player will say, I can't wait till tomorrow. But you
see the slump beat Like I just heard a slump
and somebody had one hundred and something days of or
(14:37):
games of of not not hitting the ball or not
getting on base. And I was like what, And so
I'm like, I'm glad you here because I've been wanted
and like, man, how do.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You shake that?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Like yeah, I mean that's why you know we said
like he said, I was a robot. He's like, that's
in baseball you kind of have to be like that.
I mean, you guys, once a week, it's like you
know you're going to battle going into the coliseum. It's
for us. It's like you go four for four, win
the game, and then tomorrow you go for four with
three strikeouts. So it's really hard to get high or
(15:10):
low because you know you got a game the next day.
And you know, I think the biggest thing with baseball
is you got to figure out when you do have
those slumps, how to make it like ten games instead
of twenty games. And as you get older, you learn,
you know, you've hit the same way your whole life.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You do.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
You know, we tinker with things, but a lot of
times when you panic and try and change and do something,
that just makes it because you'll do that for four
or five days and it won't work, and then you'll
just go back to what you were doing before and
then finally you get out of it. You just you
learn to kind of just trust the process and stay
with it. And baseball is so hard that even the
best players in the game are going to have two
(15:49):
stretches every year, probably ten days to two weeks, where
you literally feel like you can't get it hit and
it's just a mental sid that's the game, and that's like,
you know, the best in the game are doing so
like the guys that are still pretty good are probably
three or four times a year where they're like that. So,
I mean we get six hundred at bats, yeah, so
(16:10):
you figure it's like it's basically six one hundred game season,
like one hundred at bad seasons, and like two of
the one hundred at bad seasons you're going to do
really well. Two of them you're going to do kind
of really bad, and then the other two when you
do well in those other two, those are the seasons
where you're like an All star.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So it's like a it's a mental grind for sure,
I mean health grind because you're playing every day, but
the mental side of it's tough.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I can imagine when you look at lungevity.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I mean this can go across sports or different careers,
like in your mind, dam I can ask you this, Dan,
I mean when you when you're trying to continue down
a career path, like, is there one thing that you
always kind of lean down? We're like, all right, this
is competitive. I want to stay down this path. How
do I kind of keep going or what is my mindset?
Because especially in sports, as you know, most pro careers
flame out pretty.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Quickly like that.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, I mean my dad always told me someone's always
trying to take your job, and especially our job, because
we had the best jobs in the world. I mean,
we're getting to play a game.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For a living, kids game.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, we get to have fun, we get to do
things in clubhouses with buddies. Were acting like we're twelve
years old and we're thirty years old. So I just
always took it as a pleasure and just every day
was like, hey, man, don't take it for granted. And
someone's always going to want your spot because why wouldn't they. So,
you know, as I got older too, you learn and
(17:29):
you start to just be a little bit more consistent.
But that's kind of the way I looked at it, like,
you know, why wouldn't someone want to have my job?
I'm not going to let him take it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean he hit a spot on.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think it's easy to just say I'm going to
be this guy that I was that that got me here. Yeah,
I think every year weave all And with that being said,
it is somebody behind you doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He's in your back pocket.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And I've always took the approach of never taking anything
for granted. But at the same time, I learned this
early out the gate because I got into the league.
I hurt my knee immediately in training camp. So to
go through that and see how it felt in the
building as a rookie being the first round drift pick
and can't play, and how they looked at me and
(18:15):
how they took how they responded to my injury as
if I wasn't there. Yeah, I said, whoa, I don't
want to feel this again. So you know how we
said we walk around in life and say healthless wealth.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
If I take care of my health, that's the longevity
of you know, I should be able to live long,
same way and on sport. If I take care of
my health, I should be able to take care of
my pockets. I should be able to take care of
my spot because as long as I'm healthy, I can
go out there and be productive, you know what I'm saying.
And that's how I looked at it. So I sat
there and I was a spongement. I talked to Curtis Martin.
(18:49):
He talking about the Hall of Famer. I talked to
you know, Marvin Jones, all these guys, Aaron Glenn's.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I play with all these guys as rookies.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So I'm watching them bringing trainers, bringing massage, masus and
stuff like that, and just chiropractice. And by the time
I got here in my fifth year, I had it all.
I had it all right because I got a team
together to take care of my body.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And trust me, that's when I saw me.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Do like this, you know what I mean, Because for
those first four years I was dealing with you name it, hamstring.
I mean, I just couldn't get right. And by the
time I got here, you just clicked for me. And say,
you know that last year to get here, I kind
of started, you know, toning in on a lot of
that stuff. But when I got here, thanks to Sean
Springs because he introduced me to his guy. When I
met him, it was it was all history.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Then it's got to be one of those things too,
that the game is always evolving and there's tape out
there on you too. And so if you had a
good year, that's great, but everybody knows what allows you
to have that success and the game is going to
continue to grow. So how are you evolving to stay
ahead of that curve?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
And like make.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Sure that you got some other tricks in your bag
or you know, you're not just falling back on what
you've already accomplished, that you're always working for more, i'd imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So trash talk.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You actually two guys, I'm sure you.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I mean, I mean, I'm sure you talk of trash.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
We miss free right now? Missing free? What would I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Missing what Fred's saying?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like two thirds of the earth is covered by the
third is covered by Fred's movie.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, it's only said that a billion time.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We don't know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
So you didn't but I don't know, Like I certainly
didn't play.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Did you ever talk trash?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Were we just you didn't seem like someone or every
now and then, would you drop something on somebody?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
I mean yeah, I mean it's almost yes, I would say, so,
I definitely not. You nailed it. I'm not a huge
trash talker. I mean probably maybe one of the most
non confrontational people, you know what I mean. But like,
I think there's different like we all like what I
miss most about not playing is competing and like me
versus that picture of me being in that big spot
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in the ninth inning, Like you can't recreate that, And
I call it civilian life, you know, like we play
golf or you do. You know, you can try to
and gets the juice's phone a little bit and somethings,
but you know, there's nothing like being in like that.
I would say that like the trash talk I never
really talk trash, but I think performing and like kind
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of doing little things and almost like doing things well
and then not like pimping a hom er, not like
I think that pissed people off more than anything else.
Just acting maybe not like why aren't you saying yeah, yeah,
so that was kind of my that's the that's pretty boring,
but that's what.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Was there anybody that really got under either of your
guys skin when you played all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Come on, I'm a receiver, so you know the to me, the.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Best trash talkers are guys that play smooth position the
corn thembacks. I mean, I don't have to see no
one else. I mean you walk past linebackers every now
and then you might get it. You might get in London,
but I played with him. You might get a guy
to tell you don't come across the middle. No more.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Man would let them talking. He's back.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
You hear all the time. Yeah, he all the time.
Noney was telling somebody something. But it wasn't no, it
wasn't like Fred kind of smacked. It was like he
meant what he said.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, Fred would say something, say something.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You basically laught. He getting you out your game.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Me myself, I'm the same way like you. Rarely gonna
hear me say anything. The most I've talked. If you
see my boss spinning when I start spending, that's my talk.
That's what I'm letting to talk. And guys, look, I've
heard guys tell me like bro, I said so much
to you in the game and you never said nothing back,
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and then before you know it, it is eighty yard bomb
or seventy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know what I mean. Like that's how I talk.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I'm gonna talk with the place and the way you
get me to say something to you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I asked you if you're tied yet, because.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I know that they still rapping, something like you ain't tired,
you ain't tired of talking yet. Yeah, And that's how
That's probably about as far as I go. And then
I get me wrong. I had a Sherman or Richard
Sherman was probably the worst out of all the guys
I faced. He was the worst, but I could say
he's the one that got to me and bothered me
so much because at the time he got me at
the right time, I wasn't myself. I felt like I
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was just getting back off a broken hand.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I was gonna say, were you banged up?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I was just getting back and I'm like, oh, man,
I don't really have me to really go out here
and shut them up.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So I'm talking back to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And I'm like telling you now, you're getting into you,
you know what I mean. And he invited you and
you walked in the door, you know, and so but
I give him full credit, man, because most of those
guys like a Fred like Richard, you know, they back
it up. You know, those guys are the best of
the best. They're not just talking trash. They know what
they bring. You know, their game is on the same level.
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Up their mouths.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
At time.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
We kid with Fred and tell him that he talked
better than he played. But we know we just pulling
his leg at times. But no, I hated it, honestly, man.
That's the way I shut guys up. I shut him
up by just making plays, make the play, spending ball.
I might giggle at him, especially by score. I giggle
at him and it's like, you know what I mean,
your job passed, and you give him that giggle or
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give him that smirk.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
They'll leave you alone, man, because they mama, They mom embarrassed.
That's what I'm telling me. You're gonna barrash your MoMA today.
She see the back of that jersey.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So I remember the funniest smack I've ever heard. This
was not this is a buddy of mine. He was
telling me when he was in high school and it
was a coach coming down on him, and he said
he was trying out for quarterback in high school.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And his coach goes, his name is Ben Cecil. He's
a funny guy. He goes yeah. I was trying out
for quarterback in high school. My coach goes cecil.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I got four guys trying out for quarterback right now,
and you're running an eighth.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's what I knew. It's like, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Make Quarterback's gonna happen. It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
When you look at and for all of you guys,
I mean, whether it's covering sports, being a part of
the sports scene. When you look back at your careers,
what is your most favorite moment. I mean, I don't
speak for anyone here, but whether it's covering something and
be a party of someone, we thought this, this is
the moment I've.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Been waiting for.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Oh man, what you got?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I think for me as a kid that was never
athletic enough to, you know, do what you guys did professionally,
but always wanted to. The first year that I was
the national sideline reporter, twenty fourteen, you guys win the
division and I'm in the clubhouse. You guys are partying
your asses off. There's beer, champagne getting sprayed everywhere. And
I was in there too, and I was doing the interviews,
(25:32):
and you know, I didn't make it but you're still
in that same place that you wanted to be, so
that that felt like a really cool moment. And then
obviously the world serious is pretty special.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I think media with baseball, like SI learned, they travel
with us too, So I mean you you create bonds
with them and you have to respect each other. I mean,
you know, they have a job to do. A lot
of times we don't want to do stuff with them,
but so you create a relationships. So when we won,
I mean them being in there, I can imagine it's fun.
(26:05):
You know, like you said, you're not like on the team,
but you're part of the team, and it's you know,
baseball is so much different because we just play so
many more games in any other sport, so we spend
more time with each other than our families. Yeah, or
basically seven months out of the year. That is pretty
I mean I'm trying to think my I think for me,
(26:27):
it's more. I was twenty years old when I came up.
I think the first couple of years of your career,
you're just trying to to I guess, establish yourself. And
I mean it's got to be kind of the same
in football, Like it doesn't matter if you're a top
pick or whatever. I mean, you got to come in
and earn the respect of your teammates, of your peers.
(26:49):
And I think learning as a young person how to
handle yourself, how to you know, get your routine and
get your work ethic and then just how to treat
it as a job, but at the same time have
have fun, because I mean, it is your livelihood, like
he said, I mean health is wealth or best ability
is availability, and you know you don't you only got
one chance, and it's a small window, like you said.
(27:11):
And for me, it was kind of learning my routine,
how to go about things and what can make me
the most successful, and it took me a couple of
years to figure it out. But then you know, just
just respecting the game and respecting the opportunity, I think
is the best way to put it.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Was there one moment though, because you I mean eleven
walk off home runs in your career, you've you had
a World Series home or you like, you've you've had
some really.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Better I mean, you know, I always say world series.
I think you know, individual stuff is awesome, and you know,
at the end of the day, you obviously celebrate those
and when you're hanging with your buddies and talking about stuff.
You talk about individual things that you've won, but nobody
comes up and asks you about like, hey, what was
that silver slugger? And this year they ask you, like,
what was it like to.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Win the World Serio?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Absolutely, and as a player, I think we would all
give up all of our individual stuff to win world
championships every year. I mean, it's but it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So hard, looks to.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The dagger.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
But I also think fans don't know how hard it
is to win that ultimate probably, like you know, I
hear people they lose in the first round of the playoffs,
and if your team's making the playoffs every year, you
should be happy. And then I know that's hard to say,
but like just making the playoffs at any elite level
is hard, and then to actually run the table and
(28:35):
be the last team. I just don't think people understand
how hard it is to do that. So I guess
I mean world serious.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Have a World Series or Super Bowl to talk about
any championship on the professional level, but I can honestly
say that one of the moments that stand out to
me is when I was a young Buck in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Second year.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Uh, this year, I missed the first twelve games and
preseason from I think I had a meniscus tear. Instead
of doing what they do by carving it out and
you back in four weeks. You know, my doctor, I
wouldn't have got a second opinion. Back home in Miami,
I just just got drafted, and you know, from University
of Miami. We had a great doctor down to doctor
u Reebe. I'm thinking I'm pronouncing this name right, but
(29:22):
he's my second opinion. They told me I can go
get it. And when I came back, I had already
had the surgery because he told me I would not
carve it out. I would save the majority of it,
because if you carved this out, you're not going to
be yourself. Then after four years he told me that,
And so when I got back, I was already banished
up and had my padma and.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They was pissed.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The Jets was because they just thought, hey, this is
our play. They thought I was gonna go over there,
just let them look at it, and I come back,
they gonna do the surgery.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Four weeks im out and by the season start, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Ready to go and having a great agent and having
you rebim my corner was big for me.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It was huge. So long story short, they was pissed.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And he had the veterans like so they say every
time you saw me walking in the hall my crutches.
We had a guy more Lewis. I'll never forget more Lowis.
He meant so much to my career because he was
he was. He was getting that to me like he
was joking with me. But at the same time, it didn't.
It didn't sit well with because I'm not a guy
that just this is my first time having to miss
(30:26):
this much of a season. I broke my John college
and missed one game. Told him to put a play
in and let's go. You see what I'm saying. So
I'm knocked the guy to sit out. But they taking
it as this guy just got paid. He fat and happy.
Now he don't want to play. So held I would
walk in the hall.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
There you go. So they say, they say you fast,
They say he gonna change change our team. He ain't
do nothing yet like it bothered me.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
But what was he doing on purpose?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. I didn't
know if he liked me or not.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Like this guy just don't like me, and I love
him alone because he's a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Hey, I don't. I don't deal with those dudes.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And Marvin Jones being that we was family, he'd be
and he was the line Baker's like, don't worry about him, man,
he just he just he just getting after you. So
fast forward year two. Like I said, stuff just was.
I wasn't getting right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I go in.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
We played Monday night game and I break a long
punk return and everybody HP. But as I break this
punk return, I have a high anglish spring twist my
ankle and I'm talking about this.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I feel it in my knee.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
And I can't that's a high.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I couldn't go back out there now.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And we lose the game because of the other punk
returner fumbled the ball and that all he had do
is catch it.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
We win the game. He fumbled the ball, gave them
a good field.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know, they blank me.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
If Tann has just come out there and catch the punt,
I'm like, this is getting out of hand.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
So a week or two later, we finished play New
England and everybody like you gonna play I'm like, bro
got the angle Spring. I don't last time, Hiner spring,
I had took five weeks. I don't know, you know,
and more Luis the guy told me say, man, look
us linebackers. Man, we give you a little something for that.
It's gonna it's gonna it's gonna make everything go dark,
(32:06):
but you'll be at the place. And at the time,
I'm trying to win these guys, I'm trying. I'm like, bro, whatever, man,
I want to play.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, I'm not even right now, I know it.
It's a Hindu spring.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
If I can't feel it and I can go out there,
I'm sure I can play. And they gave me it
was a Viking, and I don't know what it was, but.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I swear like I swear, I can hear something like that.
I can hear a needle drop in the NOSEBLEEDZ.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That's how focus. I was, like, I heard everything and
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You took on every game.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It was just.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I wish it was that easy, but I was scared
of it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I say, bro, I don't never want to be that
focused and not feel nothing ever in my life again.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But I played the game of my.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Life and and the first person can we won the game,
I scored a touchdown. I had like over two hundred
some yards punt return yards on the pack and they
was big in our division. And Moluis came to me
and say, oh, now I see what they say that.
And I'm sitting there like so that stowed out to
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me more than anything in my career. Over the good games,
the playoff wins, you know, and I had some big
playoff wins with them, but it just stood out, man
that they have finally accepted me because they saw that
I wasn't trying to just be this guy that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That was your mom where you play. Now I belong,
I belong.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
All right, we wrap up. This is an an a
special love. Alanna, our producer here does a great job.
So top three athletes in DC history. You're like, come on, dude,
don't ask me this question.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You're asking me first. Yeah, I'm asking you, all right.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I'm gonna go with different. I'm gonna use the the
I guess you could say football, basketball, baseball. No, I'm
gonna go I'm gonna go hockey. I'm gonna let hockey
getting this case. I gotta say, ov you got your
OVI is one. I'm gonna put Ov up there as
one of the guys. I mean, I talk baseball issue, buddy,
(34:08):
I hate I'm not being biased, I'm missing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm just gonna put it out there.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
And if I say football, I say Derek Green, you
gotta put the Green. I feel like those three right there.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You can't miss.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Thank Xam.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean I don't think you can have this
conversation without Ov. I mean, the greatest goal scorer of
all time and completely change one of the major sports
in a major market. I mean, kids are playing hockey
now in this area basically because of him. We'll go
wild card with the second one.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Swimmer, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Good one.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
She's come by the field a couple of times and
just talked with her. I mean she's an awesome person,
but like just what she's done. I mean she's dominating.
And I read something the other day that she just
broke some other I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah, at an age where she's not supposed to swim.
Retired by like.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Years, fourth Olympics or something crazy like that. Oh man, no,
last one. Oh god, this is tough. I don't know
if he's greatest of all time, but I remember going
when Gilbert arenas him and John.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Wall I was I was gonna I was gonna break
him up, but I had to put open the picture
and put basketball out.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Gilbert was like white hot for like it was three.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Years years.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
So fun to watch. So obviously there wasn't a ton
of longevity. But you know you talk about like the
hottest ticket in town or like what people you know
NBA is if you can go like sit on the
floor and watch Gilbert play, That was like you go
do that? Yeah, he comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
I'll go Ovie, I'll go Darryl Green and sorry, Buddy,
I'll go Max Sures or every five days. Guy had
a chance to do something like historically special. So yeah,
I'm going that.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Walter Johnson going way way, way way back, like dude.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Hey, before we wrap Jenks, Yes, can I just thank
Santana as a kid who grew up in Silver Spring.
The game against the Cowboys two thousand and five, down
by two scores late, you guys hadn't put up a
point yet. Mark Burnell throws two bombs to you, bang
bang bang bang, two touchdowns. You guys win on the
road at Dallas. That made me very very happy. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Man. You know, those little people being thought of every
now and.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Wait, they love that everywhere we go, like they always
remember that was.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
One of your moments.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
If you know anything about me and is there, you're
gonna know that that's one step, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, guys, Hey, congratulations on the new pod, the eleventh
ending podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We're gonna be checking that out.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
And thanks for coming by, Ryan Zimmerman, Dan Coco to
the best in this region and been great following you
on the field and you off the field for a
long time.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Thanks buddy.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Great, it's fun to be here and look forward to
watching you guys this year.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Absolutely great talking to those guys. I mean, anytime you
can bring all of us sports fans in the DMV together,
that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I just didn't know how we were so youthful. Man,
all of us are on the same age, you know.
Felt good about myself game.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I started to say, we were saying that you last
played in twenty fourteen. Yes, I only bring that up
because I'm like out of friend of mine. Tell me
one time is that you always see people the way
you see them when you first meet them, you first
get you know.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So when I'm like, I'm like, danna play a couple
of years ago? Yeah, time flies, my friend, it does.
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So Fred is not here, and we were talking with
Dan and Ryan about going from you know, watching them,
covering those guys where they are.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now, what's it like for you?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
As much as we give Fred a hard time, I
mean playing with him, did you ever imagine that years
later you guys will be working together in the media.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Had no clue. I had no clue.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And I think one of the things I wanted to
ask them is, especially Ryan, does he have the same
excitement that I have just going to the games and
covering them. I feel like I'm out there and I
tell folks all the time, like I played, I was
so locked in as a player, so I never enjoyed
the things that happened before or after the game. It
was almost like go back home, rebootbute, and get ready
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for next week.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Now I'm enjoying all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I'm enjoying, you know, I'm having fun with the tailgating,
with just the different things than they do after the game.
So that's what I'm I get a kick out the
most now of covering the game is just being a
part of the whole atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You have more of an appreciation now for what you
went through in your career when you look back now
now that you know the dustice, I know it's been
a little bit, but still at the same time, you
wisdom and age will tend to give you a little perspective.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I always said to myself, is that I rather enjoy
what I have to enjoy now or then then and
do all the other stuff later. So I'm glad that
I was locked in and focused, because who knows. You know,
if I wasn't, maybe I wouldn't had the long career.
Maybe I wouldn't have been able to be that guy
for my team. So I'm glad that I was locked in.
But now man, I'm living it up. I'm enjoying a
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little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Great to have you here, man, won't be along with
me here my friends.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
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Speaker 2 (39:31):
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Speaker 1 (39:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Jenkins and Santana Moss Tanna Man. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm good, Jinks? What's up, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Everything's well? This is like the calm before the storm?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You know Fred did one of those his episodes. So
phil in Frank is in for you today.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, coming up here on the show.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Since we're you know, we're writing the CUSP for summertime,
We're gonna talk some guys to some guys who covered
the Boys this summer, talking about mister National. Ryan Zimmerman
is gonna be here, and then so is Dan Coleco,
the Nationals TV broadcaster. They have a podcast called The
Eleventh Inning Podcast. We're talking a little football and baseball
with them.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Can't wait.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I can't wait for that. Are you ready for football?
Or you need a little time?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Jinks. I smell football in the air. You won't smell it.
I can taste it too.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It does test good especially the last season that we had.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The upcoming season, the rookies have been around, so you
could even tell just in the building, like just coming
in here from week to week, like already, like there's
just more traffic.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Things are just starting to pay. It's just something special
about what we've been feeling. Man, I'm still on that
high from last year, and I feel like this team
understand what it has to do to continue that same
kind of mentality, that same kind of run.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Now, I can't eat of the man. There's an energy here.
So let's pay some bills. Then we'll get to Dan Ryant.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's do it.
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And now let's bring in the guys from the Eleventh
Inning podcast. Now it's finally here, the Commander's Nationals Crossover.
You know these guys, mister National, Ryan Zimmerman, Dan cole
Co Nationals TV host, How you guys doing doing great?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Good man? Thanks for having us. It's uh, it's exciting
to be over here and guys got a good thing going.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, it's nice to finally win.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
No question, winning is fun. You'll probably I've cut you.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I probably expected Fred, but I feel in front for
the day.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
So are you gonna act like Fred or nobody? Nobody? Nobody?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Okay, Fred, But I'm happy that they call me because
you know, I'm gonna show him how he's supposed to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Over well, Fred keeps saying he wants to host my
bachelor party, which I think we've all agreed here is
when Tann is like.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
No, as long as he don't he don't do it
on a boat, we are right, that's all.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm not like I think it's a hard no, Like
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's one of those things good in theory, but in
practice you're like, I don't now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Now, I will say this, if you let your if
you let your friends set it up and let him
come and beat the host.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's why I'm trying to get you guys there. I'm
trying to get Logan there. I need a family man
there to like like pull me out, you know, like
out of the quick sand.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So we'll see how that goes down.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
If I'm I got you back, okay, I'll make sure you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We got to make you help.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So guys, first of all, let's let's talk about your
podcast that you guys started, and then we can talk
about the national season.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So this just got.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Underway and I saw it online a few weeks ago.
So how did this get underway? And when can we
see it.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean it kind of just started. I guess
this offseason. They kind of asked us if we had
any interest in doing it. And I've never been a
social media a media person, and you know i've been
this is my fourth year retired, and figured it was
about time to do something. So, you know, me and
Dan thought would be fun, and you know, we have
fun with it. I think we talked baseball, but we're
(04:21):
trying to get other people on and expand it. You know,
DC has so many cool things other than sports. Obviously
we talked sports, but you know, the things you can
do in DC food scene just there's a bunch of
good stuff. So that's kind of how that was. I
guess the thought process behind it. And like I said,
I think we've done five so we're we're still learning
or I'm learning, he's he kind of leads me.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
This is the National's twenty first year of existence.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
So now at this point we've gone from a young
team that didn't really have a lot in terms of
alumni players and history that now we've got guys that
we can bring back and reminisce about the World Series
year or just good good times that have happened in
the past, so we do some that, but I mean
it's great at being here with you guys and kind
of the crossover with other teams. We had t Joshi
(05:06):
and Nicholas Backstrom on from the Capitols a couple of
episodes ago, Scott Van Pelt joined us. So we just
want to have some of the cool ties here in DC,
whether they're baseball related or not, and just make it
a DC centric, you know, media opportunity, and Ryan and
I have a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
We joke around.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
We want fans to send in funny comments and questions
and stuff like that. So it's been really enjoyable for
us so far.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Not Ryan.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
For you, being dead is kind of new to you
because I remember being a fish out of water for myself.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Do you find yourself saying okay, I know baseball, but
then get in front of this mic is a lot
different from when I was in front of that mike
at the game speaking in the press conference.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I mean, have that transition been.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
For you this and then doing I've done some of
the broadcasts. Oh yeah, and you get nervous, Yeah, because
you're like, oh no, what what if I don't know
what to say? But you know, once you get going,
I think you have fun with it, and especially if
you have good guests or if you're talking about things
that you enjoy talking about, we find, you know, we
get going and then all of a sudden, it's almost
(06:11):
like an hour and they're like, hey, you need to
wrap it up, and I'm like, man, we could have
talked for another thirty minutes, another hour. So I enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed it more than I thought I would. And
you know, for me, it's it's fun. I mean that's
what I do with my buddies at home. Yeah, I
hang out, we talk about sports, we talk about you know, food, restaurants,
things like that. So why not just do it? Do
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it in front of other people.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
And we're you know, all of us are around the
same age. I feel like you guys probably feel the
same way. Like to Ryan's point, like it's just guys
talking about sports, about funny stuff that happened in their life.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Like just some guys talking.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
That's right, that's right. And there's microphones and cameras here too.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. No, And what is it like for you?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Because I've gone through this with Tanna with Smooth some
of these guys where you covered Ryan as a player, Yeah, right,
and now it's like and now we're working together. So
sometimes it's it's strained to me. And while like I
remember being the locker room cover in Santana, Ore, we're smooting.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now it's like and now we're working together. So what
has that transition been like.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
It initially I think was a little different.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
But Ryan and I, like, you know, I covered him
for a long time and it was a reporter, broadcaster,
player type of relationship. And then as time has gone
on and as he's been retired, like we'll see each
other at social situations now, Like we ran into each
other at the Caps game the other day. He was
sitting six rows in front of me on the glass
of course, of course, but like, well we'll get drinks
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on occasion. It's kind of more from like a you know,
relationship at the ballpark to us just kind of being
around each other in a different sort of way. And
I just like that I can tee him up to
tap into his brain and get like I like to
joke that Ryan, when he was playing, you become a robot, right,
(07:54):
Like that's kind of what they want you to become now.
I can show, I can help show people that he's
got a personality, he's got a sense of humor because
he really does, so just trying to pull that out
of him and help help people see that.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I mean, I think it was just easier to be
that way when you play, especially for us. You guys
played once a week, so it was a little bit different.
But when we play, we played every day. So it
was just easier for me to basically say the same thing,
good or bad, whether I played well or bad. Like
and honestly, the media, they didn't stop coming to me,
but they knew what I was going to say, and
(08:26):
you know, I think people respected that. And you know,
I think the players that end up doing this, you
still have to realize it, like I've learned. You got
to remember how hard the game was. It's it's not
it looks way easier when you're talking about it. Yeah,
So I try and make sure I do that. But
you know, people just want to hear I mean, this
day and age, everyone wants to hear things that they
(08:48):
think they can't hear anywhere else, or like the insight
or peeling back the curtain, like we say, like that's
what people want to hear, and I think, you know,
sports has been so they not do that for so long,
and I think a lot of this media stuff now
allows us to do that within within reason, I guess,
is the best way to put it.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
Yeah, we'll tell, we'll sell some of the stories that
happened behind the scenes, not all of them.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah, maybe, but what's right?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And maybe it's for both of you guys here, which
is at what point didn't your in your respective careers,
did you become maybe comfortable being in front of the
camera or comfortable opening up a little?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, Zim, I remember, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Because I'm definitely the oldest guy here. Like I remember
covering you in RFK when you were drafted and there
was like Ryan Zivery, Money's.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
To the face of this ranchise and you are still
to this day.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That means a long time ago. But initially it was like, oh,
you know, kind of quiet, you know, kind of to himself.
And now you know, Tanner, I remember you started working,
we started working together. So to see you guys both
come along has been very fascinating to watch. When did
you each sort of feel like, Okay, now I feel
like I can be a little bit more myself.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well as a player.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think it happened to me later in my career,
especially when I kind of felt it was coming to
the end. Like I was able to say, you know,
let me go out here and you know, change the narrative.
You know, when we play the game, and it's easy
to say, Okay, this happens.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So we're going to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I used to jump ahead of the media, say hey,
I'm open, so I could come and then talk, and
then they get a different perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's not because you know, let's say we played. We
had a game. I remember this game like it was yesterday.
I come off an injury.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I had a growing spraying or strained rather and we're
playing Green Bay. If I'm not mistaken, I fumbled the ball,
Charlie Wison runs it back for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I believe they beat us by two points and we
can eat.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And I did a bunch of other things that weren't
like myself. But I was coming off injury. So I'm
saying to myself, I sucked. We lost the game because
of me. Probably not, but still I put it on myself.
I immediately got in front of the camera and said
it look, man, I should have played better.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
We lost that game because of me.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
The media probably could have tore me up and just say,
trying to drop the pass, he fumbled the ball, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I got ahead of it so.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And by that time I knew what I was doing.
Now I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm the one that's creating
the narrative instead of with them, because I've got a
chance to really be around long enough to know that, Hey,
just open up and talk to him. And it was
easy as crap to do that once I started realizing, like, look, man,
on good games and bad games, just get out there
(11:14):
and speak your piece. And when I started doing that, man,
they kind of like, you know, they wouldn't even want
to come talk to me all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So you know, that's when it kind of hit me.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But it took probably like ten years before I started
doing that.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, I think he's right at the beginning, you just
don't want to do anything wrong, Like the veteran guys
are like, hey, speak when spoken to, don't you know,
they'll come ask you. But I think what he said
is it's spot on. Like the media is pretty easy
to deal with it think about it. When you do well,
they're going to ask you questions about how great you are.
And when you do bad, they're gonna ask you questions. Right,
(11:49):
I mean, it's really not bad. And if you're the
same person when you have a bad game like he
said as when you have a good game like then
they start to respect you. And I think, honestly, I
think the fans respect you more for that too. I mean,
you know, if you continually mess up, they're gonna you know,
they're gonna get upset. But I think they understand a
lot of them understand that your humans are going to
make mistake and if you just own up to it
(12:11):
and say, hey, I'm gonna be better, I'm not going
to do it again, you know, getting out ahead of
it and just controlling the narrative. But it takes a
while to get the courage to be able to do
that at that point.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So here we are, and you got a Nationals team
that you know is still building. But man, it has
to be pretty exciting to follow these guys because I mean,
I don't have to tell you there's just a lot
of young talent that we're sort of watching blossom, like
right in front of us.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah, And I think going into this year, Ryan and
I have talked about this. The wins and losses are always
going to be what's most important, right But when you
are trying to rebuild the entire organization, secondarily what's most
important is the guys that you think are are guys.
Will they really become that will these young players that
you feel like are going to be the next building
(12:55):
blocks for your next championship organization? Will they rise to
that level or do you maybe have to pivot? Is
that guy not as much a part of the future
picture as you thought? And for the Nats this year,
c j Abrams, a shortstop, has bounced back from a
tough ends to last year and been a stud. James Wood,
the local boy, has been a stud. Dylan Cruz has
(13:18):
been ups and downs. Number two overall pick from a
couple of years ago, but has shown that.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
He's got a lot of ability.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
So I think that that has been really important. And
Ryan and I talk about it all the time too.
When you've got a young team, there's gonna be ups
and there's gonna be downs. Like you're gonna have stretches
that are really impressive as a team and then you're
gonna go through a stretch where you lose ab out
of nine like the Nats did recently. But I think
overall the development of some of the young pieces is
really important, and we've seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, when you.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Play so many games, I've always wanted this because you know,
we all go through those slumps.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know, don't matter if.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You play baseball, basketball, football, even you know, I see
guys on a golf course out there, you have their days,
but baseball you play so many games. So we was
always told ourselves as football players, you as good as
your last performance, and so you're eager you're busting your
behind the hair up and get to Sunday again or
(14:14):
whatever that day that game may fall on. Baseball wise,
when you had probably one of your worst games or
didn't play your best and know you got to go tomorrow,
how do you get that out of your head and
try to because you know you would think that that
player will say, I can't wait till tomorrow. But you
see the slump beat Like I just heard a slump
and somebody had one hundred and something days of or
(14:37):
games of of not not hitting the ball or not
getting on base. And I was like what, And so
I'm like, I'm glad you here because I've been wanted
and like, man, how do.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You shake that?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Like yeah, I mean that's why you know we said
like he said, I was a robot. He's like, that's
in baseball you kind of have to be like that.
I mean, you guys, once a week, it's like you
know you're going to battle going into the coliseum. It's
for us. It's like you go four for four, win
the game, and then tomorrow you go for four with
three strikeouts. So it's really hard to get high or
(15:10):
low because you know you got a game the next day.
And you know, I think the biggest thing with baseball
is you got to figure out when you do have
those slumps, how to make it like ten games instead
of twenty games. And as you get older, you learn,
you know, you've hit the same way your whole life.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You do.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
You know, we tinker with things, but a lot of
times when you panic and try and change and do something,
that just makes it because you'll do that for four
or five days and it won't work, and then you'll
just go back to what you were doing before and
then finally you get out of it. You just you
learn to kind of just trust the process and stay
with it. And baseball is so hard that even the
best players in the game are going to have two
(15:49):
stretches every year, probably ten days to two weeks, where
you literally feel like you can't get it hit and
it's just a mental sid that's the game, and that's like,
you know, the best in the game are doing so
like the guys that are still pretty good are probably
three or four times a year where they're like that. So,
I mean we get six hundred at bats, yeah, so
(16:10):
you figure it's like it's basically six one hundred game season,
like one hundred at bad seasons, and like two of
the one hundred at bad seasons you're going to do
really well. Two of them you're going to do kind
of really bad, and then the other two when you
do well in those other two, those are the seasons
where you're like an All star.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So it's like a it's a mental grind for sure,
I mean health grind because you're playing every day, but
the mental side of it's tough.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I can imagine when you look at lungevity.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I mean this can go across sports or different careers,
like in your mind, dam I can ask you this, Dan,
I mean when you when you're trying to continue down
a career path, like, is there one thing that you
always kind of lean down? We're like, all right, this
is competitive. I want to stay down this path. How
do I kind of keep going or what is my mindset?
Because especially in sports, as you know, most pro careers
flame out pretty.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Quickly like that.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, I mean my dad always told me someone's always
trying to take your job, and especially our job, because
we had the best jobs in the world. I mean,
we're getting to play a game.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For a living, kids game.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, we get to have fun, we get to do
things in clubhouses with buddies. Were acting like we're twelve
years old and we're thirty years old. So I just
always took it as a pleasure and just every day
was like, hey, man, don't take it for granted. And
someone's always going to want your spot because why wouldn't they. So,
you know, as I got older too, you learn and
(17:29):
you start to just be a little bit more consistent.
But that's kind of the way I looked at it, like,
you know, why wouldn't someone want to have my job?
I'm not going to let him take it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean he hit a spot on.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I think it's easy to just say I'm going to
be this guy that I was that that got me here. Yeah,
I think every year weave all And with that being said,
it is somebody behind you doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He's in your back pocket.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And I've always took the approach of never taking anything
for granted. But at the same time, I learned this
early out the gate because I got into the league.
I hurt my knee immediately in training camp. So to
go through that and see how it felt in the
building as a rookie being the first round drift pick
and can't play, and how they looked at me and
(18:15):
how they took how they responded to my injury as
if I wasn't there. Yeah, I said, whoa, I don't
want to feel this again. So you know how we
said we walk around in life and say healthless wealth.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
If I take care of my health, that's the longevity
of you know, I should be able to live long,
same way and on sport. If I take care of
my health, I should be able to take care of
my pockets. I should be able to take care of
my spot because as long as I'm healthy, I can
go out there and be productive, you know what I'm saying.
And that's how I looked at it. So I sat
there and I was a spongement. I talked to Curtis Martin.
(18:49):
He talking about the Hall of Famer. I talked to
you know, Marvin Jones, all these guys, Aaron Glenn's.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I play with all these guys as rookies.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So I'm watching them bringing trainers, bringing massage, masus and
stuff like that, and just chiropractice. And by the time
I got here in my fifth year, I had it all.
I had it all right because I got a team
together to take care of my body.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And trust me, that's when I saw me.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Do like this, you know what I mean, Because for
those first four years I was dealing with you name it, hamstring.
I mean, I just couldn't get right. And by the
time I got here, you just clicked for me. And say,
you know that last year to get here, I kind
of started, you know, toning in on a lot of
that stuff. But when I got here, thanks to Sean
Springs because he introduced me to his guy. When I
met him, it was it was all history.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Then it's got to be one of those things too,
that the game is always evolving and there's tape out
there on you too. And so if you had a
good year, that's great, but everybody knows what allows you
to have that success and the game is going to
continue to grow. So how are you evolving to stay
ahead of that curve?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Right?
Speaker 6 (19:54):
And like make.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Sure that you got some other tricks in your bag
or you know, you're not just falling back on what
you've already accomplished, that you're always working for more, i'd imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So trash talk.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You actually two guys, I'm sure you.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I mean, I mean, I'm sure you talk of trash.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
We miss free right now? Missing free? What would I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Missing what Fred's saying?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like two thirds of the earth is covered by the
third is covered by Fred's movie.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, it's only said that a billion time.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
We don't know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
So you didn't but I don't know, Like I certainly
didn't play.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Did you ever talk trash?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Were we just you didn't seem like someone or every
now and then, would you drop something on somebody?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
I mean yeah, I mean it's almost yes, I would say, so,
I definitely not. You nailed it. I'm not a huge
trash talker. I mean probably maybe one of the most
non confrontational people, you know what I mean. But like,
I think there's different like we all like what I
miss most about not playing is competing and like me
versus that picture of me being in that big spot
(20:59):
in the ninth inning, Like you can't recreate that, And
I call it civilian life, you know, like we play
golf or you do. You know, you can try to
and gets the juice's phone a little bit and somethings,
but you know, there's nothing like being in like that.
I would say that like the trash talk I never
really talk trash, but I think performing and like kind
(21:24):
of doing little things and almost like doing things well
and then not like pimping a hom er, not like
I think that pissed people off more than anything else.
Just acting maybe not like why aren't you saying yeah, yeah,
so that was kind of my that's the that's pretty boring,
but that's what.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Was there anybody that really got under either of your
guys skin when you played all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Come on, I'm a receiver, so you know the to me, the.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Best trash talkers are guys that play smooth position the
corn thembacks. I mean, I don't have to see no
one else. I mean you walk past linebackers every now
and then you might get it. You might get in London,
but I played with him. You might get a guy
to tell you don't come across the middle. No more.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Man would let them talking. He's back.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
You hear all the time. Yeah, he all the time.
Noney was telling somebody something. But it wasn't no, it
wasn't like Fred kind of smacked. It was like he
meant what he said.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, Fred would say something, say something.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
You basically laught. He getting you out your game.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Me myself, I'm the same way like you. Rarely gonna
hear me say anything. The most I've talked. If you
see my boss spinning when I start spending, that's my talk.
That's what I'm letting to talk. And guys, look, I've
heard guys tell me like bro, I said so much
to you in the game and you never said nothing back,
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and then before you know it, it is eighty yard bomb
or seventy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know what I mean. Like that's how I talk.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I'm gonna talk with the place and the way you
get me to say something to you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I asked you if you're tied yet, because.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I know that they still rapping, something like you ain't tired,
you ain't tired of talking yet. Yeah, And that's how
That's probably about as far as I go. And then
I get me wrong. I had a Sherman or Richard
Sherman was probably the worst out of all the guys
I faced. He was the worst, but I could say
he's the one that got to me and bothered me
so much because at the time he got me at
the right time, I wasn't myself. I felt like I
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was just getting back off a broken hand.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I was gonna say, were you banged up?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I was just getting back and I'm like, oh, man,
I don't really have me to really go out here
and shut them up.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So I'm talking back to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And I'm like telling you now, you're getting into you,
you know what I mean. And he invited you and
you walked in the door, you know, and so but
I give him full credit, man, because most of those
guys like a Fred like Richard, you know, they back
it up. You know, those guys are the best of
the best. They're not just talking trash. They know what
they bring. You know, their game is on the same level.
(23:47):
Up their mouths.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
At time.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
We kid with Fred and tell him that he talked
better than he played. But we know we just pulling
his leg at times. But no, I hated it, honestly, man.
That's the way I shut guys up. I shut him
up by just making plays, make the play, spending ball.
I might giggle at him, especially by score. I giggle
at him and it's like, you know what I mean,
your job passed, and you give him that giggle or
(24:09):
give him that smirk.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
They'll leave you alone, man, because they mama, They mom embarrassed.
That's what I'm telling me. You're gonna barrash your MoMA today.
She see the back of that jersey.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So I remember the funniest smack I've ever heard. This
was not this is a buddy of mine. He was
telling me when he was in high school and it
was a coach coming down on him, and he said
he was trying out for quarterback in high school.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And his coach goes, his name is Ben Cecil. He's
a funny guy. He goes yeah. I was trying out
for quarterback in high school. My coach goes cecil.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I got four guys trying out for quarterback right now,
and you're running an eighth.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
That's what I knew. It's like, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Make Quarterback's gonna happen. It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
When you look at and for all of you guys,
I mean, whether it's covering sports, being a part of
the sports scene. When you look back at your careers,
what is your most favorite moment. I mean, I don't
speak for anyone here, but whether it's covering something and
be a party of someone, we thought this, this is
the moment I've.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Been waiting for.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Oh man, what you got?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You know?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I think for me as a kid that was never
athletic enough to, you know, do what you guys did professionally,
but always wanted to. The first year that I was
the national sideline reporter, twenty fourteen, you guys win the
division and I'm in the clubhouse. You guys are partying
your asses off. There's beer, champagne getting sprayed everywhere. And
I was in there too, and I was doing the interviews,
(25:32):
and you know, I didn't make it but you're still
in that same place that you wanted to be, so
that that felt like a really cool moment. And then
obviously the world serious is pretty special.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I think media with baseball, like SI learned, they travel
with us too, So I mean you you create bonds
with them and you have to respect each other. I mean,
you know, they have a job to do. A lot
of times we don't want to do stuff with them,
but so you create a relationships. So when we won,
I mean them being in there, I can imagine it's fun.
(26:05):
You know, like you said, you're not like on the team,
but you're part of the team, and it's you know,
baseball is so much different because we just play so
many more games in any other sport, so we spend
more time with each other than our families. Yeah, or
basically seven months out of the year. That is pretty
I mean I'm trying to think my I think for me,
(26:27):
it's more. I was twenty years old when I came up.
I think the first couple of years of your career,
you're just trying to to I guess, establish yourself. And
I mean it's got to be kind of the same
in football, Like it doesn't matter if you're a top
pick or whatever. I mean, you got to come in
and earn the respect of your teammates, of your peers.
(26:49):
And I think learning as a young person how to
handle yourself, how to you know, get your routine and
get your work ethic and then just how to treat
it as a job, but at the same time have
have fun, because I mean, it is your livelihood, like
he said, I mean health is wealth or best ability
is availability, and you know you don't you only got
one chance, and it's a small window, like you said.
(27:11):
And for me, it was kind of learning my routine,
how to go about things and what can make me
the most successful, and it took me a couple of
years to figure it out. But then you know, just
just respecting the game and respecting the opportunity, I think
is the best way to put it.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Was there one moment though, because you I mean eleven
walk off home runs in your career, you've you had
a World Series home or you like, you've you've had
some really.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Better I mean, you know, I always say world series.
I think you know, individual stuff is awesome, and you know,
at the end of the day, you obviously celebrate those
and when you're hanging with your buddies and talking about stuff.
You talk about individual things that you've won, but nobody
comes up and asks you about like, hey, what was
that silver slugger? And this year they ask you, like,
what was it like to.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Win the World Serio?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Absolutely, and as a player, I think we would all
give up all of our individual stuff to win world
championships every year. I mean, it's but it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So hard, looks to.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The dagger.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
But I also think fans don't know how hard it
is to win that ultimate probably, like you know, I
hear people they lose in the first round of the playoffs,
and if your team's making the playoffs every year, you
should be happy. And then I know that's hard to say,
but like just making the playoffs at any elite level
is hard, and then to actually run the table and
(28:35):
be the last team. I just don't think people understand
how hard it is to do that. So I guess
I mean world serious.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Have a World Series or Super Bowl to talk about
any championship on the professional level, but I can honestly
say that one of the moments that stand out to
me is when I was a young Buck in the league.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Second year.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Uh, this year, I missed the first twelve games and
preseason from I think I had a meniscus tear. Instead
of doing what they do by carving it out and
you back in four weeks. You know, my doctor, I
wouldn't have got a second opinion. Back home in Miami,
I just just got drafted, and you know, from University
of Miami. We had a great doctor down to doctor
u Reebe. I'm thinking I'm pronouncing this name right, but
(29:22):
he's my second opinion. They told me I can go
get it. And when I came back, I had already
had the surgery because he told me I would not
carve it out. I would save the majority of it,
because if you carved this out, you're not going to
be yourself. Then after four years he told me that,
And so when I got back, I was already banished
up and had my padma and.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They was pissed.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The Jets was because they just thought, hey, this is
our play. They thought I was gonna go over there,
just let them look at it, and I come back,
they gonna do the surgery.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Four weeks im out and by the season start, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Ready to go and having a great agent and having
you rebim my corner was big for me.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It was huge. So long story short, they was pissed.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And he had the veterans like so they say every
time you saw me walking in the hall my crutches.
We had a guy more Lewis. I'll never forget more Lowis.
He meant so much to my career because he was
he was. He was getting that to me like he
was joking with me. But at the same time, it didn't.
It didn't sit well with because I'm not a guy
that just this is my first time having to miss
(30:26):
this much of a season. I broke my John college
and missed one game. Told him to put a play
in and let's go. You see what I'm saying. So
I'm knocked the guy to sit out. But they taking
it as this guy just got paid. He fat and happy.
Now he don't want to play. So held I would
walk in the hall.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
There you go. So they say, they say you fast,
They say he gonna change change our team. He ain't
do nothing yet like it bothered me.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
But what was he doing on purpose?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. I didn't
know if he liked me or not.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Like this guy just don't like me, and I love
him alone because he's a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Hey, I don't. I don't deal with those dudes.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And Marvin Jones being that we was family, he'd be
and he was the line Baker's like, don't worry about him, man,
he just he just he just getting after you. So
fast forward year two. Like I said, stuff just was.
I wasn't getting right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I go in.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
We played Monday night game and I break a long
punk return and everybody HP. But as I break this
punk return, I have a high anglish spring twist my
ankle and I'm talking about this.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I feel it in my knee.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
And I can't that's a high.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I couldn't go back out there now.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And we lose the game because of the other punk
returner fumbled the ball and that all he had do
is catch it.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
We win the game. He fumbled the ball, gave them
a good field.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know, they blank me.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
If Tann has just come out there and catch the punt,
I'm like, this is getting out of hand.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
So a week or two later, we finished play New
England and everybody like you gonna play I'm like, bro
got the angle Spring. I don't last time, Hiner spring,
I had took five weeks. I don't know, you know,
and more Luis the guy told me say, man, look
us linebackers. Man, we give you a little something for that.
It's gonna it's gonna it's gonna make everything go dark,
(32:06):
but you'll be at the place. And at the time,
I'm trying to win these guys, I'm trying. I'm like, bro, whatever, man,
I want to play.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know, I'm not even right now, I know it.
It's a Hindu spring.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
If I can't feel it and I can go out there,
I'm sure I can play. And they gave me it
was a Viking, and I don't know what it was, but.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I swear like I swear, I can hear something like that.
I can hear a needle drop in the NOSEBLEEDZ.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
That's how focus. I was, like, I heard everything and
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You took on every game.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It was just.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I wish it was that easy, but I was scared
of it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I say, bro, I don't never want to be that
focused and not feel nothing ever in my life again.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But I played the game of my.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Life and and the first person can we won the game,
I scored a touchdown. I had like over two hundred
some yards punt return yards on the pack and they
was big in our division. And Moluis came to me
and say, oh, now I see what they say that.
And I'm sitting there like so that stowed out to
(33:12):
me more than anything in my career. Over the good games,
the playoff wins, you know, and I had some big
playoff wins with them, but it just stood out, man
that they have finally accepted me because they saw that
I wasn't trying to just be this guy that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That was your mom where you play. Now I belong,
I belong.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
All right, we wrap up. This is an an a
special love. Alanna, our producer here does a great job.
So top three athletes in DC history. You're like, come on, dude,
don't ask me this question.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You're asking me first. Yeah, I'm asking you, all right.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I'm gonna go with different. I'm gonna use the the
I guess you could say football, basketball, baseball. No, I'm
gonna go I'm gonna go hockey. I'm gonna let hockey
getting this case. I gotta say, ov you got your
OVI is one. I'm gonna put Ov up there as
one of the guys. I mean, I talk baseball issue, buddy,
(34:08):
I hate I'm not being biased, I'm missing.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'm just gonna put it out there.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
And if I say football, I say Derek Green, you
gotta put the Green. I feel like those three right there.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
You can't miss.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Thank Xam.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean I don't think you can have this
conversation without Ov. I mean, the greatest goal scorer of
all time and completely change one of the major sports
in a major market. I mean, kids are playing hockey
now in this area basically because of him. We'll go
wild card with the second one.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Swimmer, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Good one.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
She's come by the field a couple of times and
just talked with her. I mean she's an awesome person,
but like just what she's done. I mean she's dominating.
And I read something the other day that she just
broke some other I mean.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah, at an age where she's not supposed to swim.
Retired by like.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Years, fourth Olympics or something crazy like that. Oh man, no,
last one. Oh god, this is tough. I don't know
if he's greatest of all time, but I remember going
when Gilbert arenas him and John.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Wall I was I was gonna I was gonna break
him up, but I had to put open the picture
and put basketball out.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Gilbert was like white hot for like it was three.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Years years.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
So fun to watch. So obviously there wasn't a ton
of longevity. But you know you talk about like the
hottest ticket in town or like what people you know
NBA is if you can go like sit on the
floor and watch Gilbert play, That was like you go
do that? Yeah, he comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
I'll go Ovie, I'll go Darryl Green and sorry, Buddy,
I'll go Max Sures or every five days. Guy had
a chance to do something like historically special. So yeah,
I'm going that.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Walter Johnson going way way, way way back, like dude.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Hey, before we wrap Jenks, Yes, can I just thank
Santana as a kid who grew up in Silver Spring.
The game against the Cowboys two thousand and five, down
by two scores late, you guys hadn't put up a
point yet. Mark Burnell throws two bombs to you, bang
bang bang bang, two touchdowns. You guys win on the
road at Dallas. That made me very very happy. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Man. You know, those little people being thought of every
now and.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Wait, they love that everywhere we go, like they always
remember that was.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
One of your moments.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
If you know anything about me and is there, you're
gonna know that that's one step, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Well, guys, Hey, congratulations on the new pod, the eleventh
ending podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
We're gonna be checking that out.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
And thanks for coming by, Ryan Zimmerman, Dan Coco to
the best in this region and been great following you
on the field and you off the field for a
long time.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Thanks buddy.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Great, it's fun to be here and look forward to
watching you guys this year.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Absolutely great talking to those guys. I mean, anytime you
can bring all of us sports fans in the DMV together,
that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I just didn't know how we were so youthful. Man,
all of us are on the same age, you know.
Felt good about myself game.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I started to say, we were saying that you last
played in twenty fourteen. Yes, I only bring that up
because I'm like out of friend of mine. Tell me
one time is that you always see people the way
you see them when you first meet them, you first
get you know.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
So when I'm like, I'm like, danna play a couple
of years ago? Yeah, time flies, my friend, it does.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
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Speaker 1 (37:54):
So Fred is not here, and we were talking with
Dan and Ryan about going from you know, watching them,
covering those guys where they are.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Now, what's it like for you?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
As much as we give Fred a hard time, I
mean playing with him, did you ever imagine that years
later you guys will be working together in the media.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Had no clue. I had no clue.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
And I think one of the things I wanted to
ask them is, especially Ryan, does he have the same
excitement that I have just going to the games and
covering them. I feel like I'm out there and I
tell folks all the time, like I played, I was
so locked in as a player, so I never enjoyed
the things that happened before or after the game. It
was almost like go back home, rebootbute, and get ready
(38:35):
for next week.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Now I'm enjoying all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I'm enjoying, you know, I'm having fun with the tailgating,
with just the different things than they do after the game.
So that's what I'm I get a kick out the
most now of covering the game is just being a
part of the whole atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You have more of an appreciation now for what you
went through in your career when you look back now
now that you know the dustice, I know it's been
a little bit, but still at the same time, you
wisdom and age will tend to give you a little perspective.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I always said to myself, is that I rather enjoy
what I have to enjoy now or then then and
do all the other stuff later. So I'm glad that
I was locked in and focused, because who knows. You know,
if I wasn't, maybe I wouldn't had the long career.
Maybe I wouldn't have been able to be that guy
for my team. So I'm glad that I was locked in.
But now man, I'm living it up. I'm enjoying a
(39:20):
little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Great to have you here, man, won't be along with
me here my friends.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
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Speaker 2 (39:31):
Let us know and get to that.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's the great Santana mo So, Michael Jenkins, We'll see next.
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