August 4, 2025 • 47 mins
Senator Thom Tillis and Mick Mulvaney join Bo and Beth to discuss the decision by President Trump to fire the Chief of Labor Statistics and continued effects of tariffs. Senator Tillis shares his thoughts on the NC Senate race and Charlemagne Tha God's appearance on Lara Trump's show over the weekend. Plus, the Senator talks about how he plans to spend the rest of his term in Washington.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Do my best to get back to you. Look for Sunday,
going to be there, honey, It's something special choice.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Jos.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, see hear what they said there too for you,
not just Mick Mulvaney. Today we have former White House
Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, as we do most Mondays,
but sitting next to him, both of them in studio.
US Senator Tom Tillis is here. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's great to be back. Just can mix. Is gonna
be like Superman versus Batman.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I have no idea what this is going to be. No,
I was glad I hydrated for this.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, we've been talking about doing this for a while
and we found out both of you all were game
for it, and it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Was we in that sentence you mentioned it to me
for the first time last Monday, we had oh YouTube.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, yeah, we've been We've been planning and plotting and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Then and then we realized there was some and forth
going on texting a week ago, and we said, okay,
now we got to harness this, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I actually thought in the back of my mind going
into the weekend that maybe you might get stuck in
DC for a few more days. Because you were there
until Saturday night, right.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I got home yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And and how close were things to getting extended?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Do you think we had a deal that we thought
that was going to get done between the Democrats and
the White House, but it fell apart at the eleventh hours.
So we got a few more done and then we're
going to come back and continue NOMS when we return
after Labor Day.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And so you're on recess for for a month?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay, And so when you go into recess mode is
the first thing you usually do, you know, come over
to the fifty thousand what blow torch and have a
conversation or how's that usually go?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Well, of course, no, I'm actually looking forward to it.
I had my staff say there were there was almost
a deal killer. You should know this because when I
looked at my calendar and I just saw Bo and
Mick and I didn't think Beth was going to be
That could have been a deal killer.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm not I'm serious. It's wait a minute, for me,
not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It would be for me as well.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't come here if it's just.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
You guys, lovely well, tell me, Senator, as deals fall
apart like this one did at the eleventh hour, what
happens in that Senate chamber?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Is there an audible like h is there?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
What do people go into backroom offices and start having conversations.
How does the process work to try to come back together?
And what actually happened?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
There were a lot of efforts to uh and we're
going to work on maybe a deal sometime in September
to accelerate. Look, even the Democrats realize that if you
go back and take a look at the noms that
we did over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I know everybody's lathered up over it, but really the.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Legal counsel to advocacy for the small business administration, I
don't think that's going to stop Ukraine War anything anytime soon.
I think that we have to realize there are cabinet
subcabinet roles that we should absolutely press on the other ones.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
We should get.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Smart, get a package, and frankly, get to a point
where about four or five hundred of them. We're not
even doing like we do normal confirmations because both Republicans
and Democrats have used it to grind the chamber down
so hopefully we'll get back and get smart.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
On And that's the key part, by the way, because
it's both Republicans and Democrats. It's just leverage, is all
that it is. It's not advice and consent. It's advice
and consent for the big names, the ones that we
all know. Everything else it's delay and extort. I'll tell
you a story off the air, because I'm pretty sure
it would send somebody to jail. But I got shook
down by a Republican senator for money for a nominee vote.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Look in that band is dead now, so they're probably
not going to jail now.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Number One, what narrows down the possibi?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
A lot happen there.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I can get that. I get that one identified before
of this segment.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It doesn't really limited in the Senate, though, does it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
No, Like at the end of the day, there's twelve
hundred noms they go before a Senate. There should probably
be about seven hundred the other ones. We should come
up with some way to defer the administration. Look, they're
down in the in the weeds and the plumbing, and
they're and they're clogging up the plumbing of the US
in it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, you know, there's a lot that has been said
about these what happens if these appointments keep lingering there?
You said over the weekend that you would not go
the nuclear route for this, And we hear about recess appointments,
and that's been something that's been talked about a good
bit since President Trump took took office for a second time.
But when when there are I mean, I think some
(04:27):
people might be surprised to even know there are so
many lingering, unconfirmed positions out there. But are there ones
that you think that are hugely important ones or.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
How does it break down? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, well, first off, we have to understand most of
these positions, if they're really important, can have acting members.
They have some limits, but to a large extent, they
can get a lot of things done. So it's not
like that job's not being done. It's just you carry
a little bit more weight if you've been sent confirmed.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But you know, I actually offered.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
To be the to support a package for recess appointments.
I was not willing to let the administration just do
all recess appointments, but I was a part of the
negotiations to say, yeah, we'll get up to one hundred
and sixty. We'll let the President define exactly what they are.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
We'll go out of here.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
If they stay within those meats and bounds, we'll use
that as a lever to get the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To the table. I'm still open to doing that. But
you know, spare me.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know Republicans saying that this is unprecedented, It's only
unprecedented in this Congress because it was the same thing
we did a couple of congresses ago. So let's just
be honest with the American people. Negotiate a deal, get moving, and.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Get to the real work.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Noms are not going to make or break us very
important legislation on the economy.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
A number of other things could.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And they take time away from judges as well.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
One percent big story over the weekend about the Bureau
of Labor Statistics commissioner. They got fired by President Trump
after the job numbers came out on Friday. And I
want to talk about the background of this. Senator Tillis,
you had a comment I'll read this as we're going
to break and then we'll come back and talk about it.
(06:05):
But you said if she was fired because the president
or whoever decided to fire the director just did it
because they didn't like the numbers. Then they ought to
grow up. And that line to grow up part You've
seen that several places over the weekend. But this whole
idea that President Trump fired her because he didn't like
what he what he heard the numbers to be.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So clearly you were watching my CNBC interview before I
came on here this morning. I do, I do all
kinds of I'm sure it's on the TV above my
head right now.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, okay, I'll pulled over the side of the roadway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Thank you. You know, I believe you. It's him I
worry about.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, who are you again?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Traffic care?
Speaker 7 (06:40):
This is Good Morning Beat with both Thompson and Beth
trout Man.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Come, how come you get top Billy on the Good
Morning BT.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
This is a Good Morning Bet with Senator Tom Tillis
and Nick mulvaney and.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And Beth and Beth trout Man. Beth, have you ever
noticed that that's always Bo Thompson and Beth Troup.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well, I did kind of come in on a show
that already existed. It was called The Bo Thompson Morning Show.
Yeah yeah, but he in his good graces. I mean
when he brought me in. He was like, we're not
going to call this the Bo Thompson Morning Show with
Beth Troutman.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It was his idea to change the show.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I thought, what was what was that before this?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It is what was here? It is when it wants
to be.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Welcome back. We have a Beth, and we have Senator Tillis,
and we have Mick mulvaney, and we have Meat in
the Tyboid studio. And in fact, they're gracious enough to
join us for an hour and a half today. So
we got these guys until ten and a lot to
talk about. I mentioned going into the last break. The
big story this weekend, or probably the biggest, the most
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talked about story out of DC, was the fact that
President Trump fired the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor
Statistics after the agency reported that the economy added just
seventy three thousand jobs in July, also released downward revisions
of jobs data from May and June, and President Trump
took the truth social and eventually fired her. And so
(08:10):
here we are, and I got to get to I
know that Senator Tillis made a comment over the weekend
that I alluded to during the break. But now that
you all are here and we can kind of flesh
this out a bit more, what about this over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, let's start with a quote. What I actually said.
You're right about the second half. What I said was,
if the president has been presented with information that makes
it clear that she fail to do her job, that
the methodology whatever issues to come up with the BLS reports.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Of course he should fire.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But if he fired her just because he didn't like
the result, that's childish and whatever. The president very seldom
makes a decision on his own. He's usually either has
an idea he asked people if they agree with them,
or people continue to or give him a good idea.
I think that again, if we proved that the method
was wrong, that they were overseeing a process that didn't
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have validity, you get rid of them. But if you
fired them just because you got to dip in jobs,
that's childish and it's a distraction, and it discredits a
very important agency for statistics. This isn't just something that
the president looks at. It's something that every person in
business looks at and makes decisions around. We can, on
her mind, data coming out of what we consider be
gold standard for analysis.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Well, I thought that this was an interesting political move
because even politically, if they do find out that things
were done poorly or not done well, and she was
fired for cause, but if they put someone else in place,
and suddenly there are great jobs numbers they've given opponents
of Donald Trump, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's exactly right. You want to start cooking the books.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean, look, the reason why China's economy, China's employment,
everything looks rosy is because Sheijingping controls the information that
comes out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We live up to a higher standard.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
We need to continue to even though even sometimes we
don't like the result or it undermines our credibility.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm all for the integrity of the data, the credibility
of the institutions, and so forth. But let's let's be honest.
We haven't had that now. J. Powell went on National
Television International Television on Wednesday of last week and said, well,
the job market looks great. Therefore we're thinking about not
lowering rates. He was relying on bad data. The BLS
was putting out really bad data. I get to the
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point about explaining why that is and so forth. Sometimes
you just somebody has to be accountable some that you know,
you can't fire the whole thing, So let's fire the coach.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
But let's use this moment like anytime I fire somebody
for cause, to document the cause. And bad data, bad analytics,
bad process are great reasons to get rid of somebody
that you'd trust to lead an analytics organization.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But let's not walk away from it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Let's do the after action to point to exactly why
we think the information was flawed so.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That we don't repeat the mistake.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They're still getting data on facsimiles.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I was going to ask, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
They still get some through the mail well in.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Its surveys, right, the data that comes from interviewing employers
and employees and.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Then business still out right. Sort of like I'm going
to oversimplify, but I sort of like the old what
was the system you used to use for what television
stations you were watching? Neilsen filling your book and stuff
like that. It's similar to that.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
So it's antiquated in the way that the information gets
too and it does.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
A terrible job of counting new jobs and old jobs,
new businesses, old businesses. I get that, but this was
the largest downward revision since other than COVID, which is
a different its own outlier since nineteen seventy nine. Ordinarily,
revisions are we had one hundred thousand jobs last month. No,
it was revised down to ninety or up to one
hundred and ten. We lost a quarter of a million
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jobs in this report over the course of the last two.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
But the reason why we've got a look at the methodology, folks,
is we've also had an unprecedented series of tariffs going
in that change uncertain that change certainty and certainty causes
businesses to pull back on employment. They've got to prepare
for potent cause that they can't control, so you get
rid of the ones that you can, Which is why
(12:04):
I continue to be the nerdy old data guys saying,
show me the data and you got me. Don't show
me the rhetoric that doesn't impress me.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't get the I don't see how I'm trying
to walk this through in my head that Trump is
accusing her of manipulating the data in the past in
order to hurt him politically, because I'm thinking, okay, is
are people in Washington capable of doing that? Absolutely, there
are people in Washington who believe that the end justified
the means that I aggressed to making Trump look bad. However,
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if I was running these numbers and I wanted to
make the president look bad, I would not have put
out great job numbers in May and June and then
rise them down. I just would have put out the
bad numbers to begin with.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
And also would put out numbers that will probably drive
the FED rate cut that the President once Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, I saw an interview over the weekend with Bill Beach,
who was the previous commissioner that President Trump appointed, the
one that was fired by Trump over the weekend was
the point by Biden. It is my understanding, but he
Beach said that his job as the commissioner was simply
to be the messenger of here's what it is. He
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didn't have anything to do with the collection or the
overseeing of what happened to get there.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But that goes to my point about accountability. Okay, somebody
is I mean, I don't. I was in the Financial
Services Committee. We had oversight over Treasury. We didn't have
much overset over BLS, but we used a lot of
BLS numbers. I never remember anybody from the Obama administration.
I remember it from the Trump administration going down to
Congress saying we need to change the system. Someone has
to be responsible for it. And if it's not the
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person in charge of BLS, then who is it?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, last footnote on the bid the Biden nominee.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Keep in mind that this person had been in analytics
roles for almost the entire of her career in the
US government, had been playing a role since I think
about two thousand and eight and before that. So she's
not like a political hack that came from the dncing
I put it in the BLS. Let's just look at
the data. Though I'm not I'm not four or against it.
I'm just all about let's understand the reason for cause
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for the termination.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Well, and to that point with the data, and that
this came from Comsion Commissioner Beach as well, that it's
commonplace to revise over a two month period the numbers
that came out because of the outliers, you know, the
people who don't get those Like you said, it's an
antiquated system, Mick, But to get that information back in
and the more information that comes in, the more accurate
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the numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Visions are normal. Revisions are normal. There's no question about
revisions of this size is once in a fifty year event.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But guys, keep in mind again timeline the revisions. When
you're talking about jobs forecasts over the last two months.
Look at what's happened over the last two months. Unprecedented
uncertainty in the trade space. Businesses are going to react
to uncertainty by pulling in the costs that they think
they could have easily set them an employ this many
people sixty days ago. Now they think a tear for
a major supplying countries in play.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I got to pull back.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So there may be some rationale there, or there could
be a pure political mode ovation.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Let's just get to the facts.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Last time Senator Tillis was on with us by a
phone about three weeks ago, the last thing you said
to us was release the damn files. I think you
know what we're talking about there. Also, the Senator's been
in the news in the last month for a variety
of reasons. We'll talk about the race that now is
setting up after he vacates. Michael Wattley announced last week,
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Roy Cooper announced last week. Lots to get to with
Mick mlvaney and Senator Tom Tillis here in the ty
Boyd studio. Stay with us all right, lady.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So tell them alove here in Timon.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
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Speaker 7 (15:39):
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Speaker 1 (15:46):
Gay right now.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Monday morning, first Monday in August. Both Thompson, Beth Troutman
Mick mulvaney, former White House of Staff among many things
you see him on News Nation and added to the
mix today. We're happy to have US Senator Tom Tillis,
So we have a former White House Chief of Staff
and we have a current US Senator in studio for
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the rest of the show, the rest of the hour.
We appreciate both of you all being here.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You know, we were talking about Pat McCrory during the break
and I could have sworn we just heard a segment
from the Foo Foo Dolls.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ah, Yes, the famous Foo Fighters, the Foo Foo Fighters,
as he said back in the day, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
A Goo Goo Fighters. Is the Fighters Dolls?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Now, before the before the actual break, we were talking
about the jobs numbers, the economy and Senator Tillis you
were saying that the jobs numbers could be impacted by
what's going on with tariffs right now. And one of
the one of the fascinating set of tariffs over the
weekend that had a lot of people raising eyebrows the
fifty percent tariff on Brazil. Now, we actually have a
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trade surplus with Brazil, not a trade deficit with Brazil.
But this has more to do with politics and their
legal system. This was just one of the headlines from
over the weekend. Trump hits Brazilian products with fifty percent
tariff over Bulsonaro, which is their former president who was
convicted of trying to overthrow the government of a coup.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, I think it's a mistake.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
I was a business advisor most of my career, and
the tariffs that we're going through, I could see an
argument for many of them when we have a trade
deficit with several countries, but not a country that we
have a trade surplus with and a tariff that's applied
that has nothing to do with our trade relationship. Look,
we have imposed the United States has imposed a fifty
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percent tariff on a country, saying unless you reverse a
judicial decision in a sovereign nation than you at this tariff.
So if I'm a business advisor, I'm saying, on the
one end, we're getting these tariffs squared away around the world.
But on the other hand, the president, if he gets
angry about something not even related to the business relationship.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
He may slap a tariff on you.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's very difficult for businesses to go to navigate through that.
I actually met with members of the Brazilian Senate in
my office last week, someone who's a personal friend of
and a party of the party of the president in
question here, and he said, look, we're working through the
courts to reverse this decision, but let us do it
according to our court system and the laws. Don't think
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that we can possibly just arbitrarily reverse a decision, or
they will do serious damage to their reputation worldwide because
it means that their rule of law doesn't mean anything
if you've got somebody who disagrees.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
With it from the outside.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
A couple different that's look at it from two perspectives.
Number One, American governments have done this all the time,
just not as blatantly as Donald Trump is doing it.
I remember very vividly learning when I was in Rome
for the first time fifteen years ago from leaders of
the Sub Saharan African nations that the Obama administration was
withholding their foreign aid until they change their laws on
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gay marriage and abortion. These are Christians, great Muslim nations, whatever,
and the obamadministration will say, look, I know Congress told
us we have to give you this money, but we
aren't going to do it unless you change your local laws.
So again there's precedent here of some fashion. I think
Trump made a mistake here because I think this is
one of the times he's trying to evoke his emergency
power under APA the emergency the trade expansion stuff. And
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you can't say I'm doing it because I don't like
a decision that you've made locally, and then try to
create an emergency. I think they'll end up shooting themselves
in the foot in court. And I don't know if
this one's going to hold up or not well.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And I think it also underminds the president's credibility when
he is rightfully going after countries with tariffs too. So
let's stay on the positive and not have these distractions
undermind what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, because what will happen now is that someone who's
suing to try and prevent the law the tariffs against
say I don't pick number Japan. I was going to say, well,
you know what, we think this was done for a
non emergency reason. We think this was done for an
inappropriate reason, just like Trump did in Brazil. So you
got to sort of defend your actions. That makes it
more difficult to defend the tariffs in court. So I
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think the Trump team has opened themselves up to some
criticisms because of how they've handled the Brazil situation.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I don't want to filibuster too much, but that's the team,
is what I'm talking about. Anybody who knows the trade
space should have advised the president this is not a
good idea for the bigger picture priority that he has
that I agree with.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I want to do it due to two thirty two.
Just do it properly one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
His staff need to play up because they're not giving
on good advice in this space.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
US Senator Tom Tillis and Mick mulvaney, former White House
Chief of Staff and South Carolina congressman White House Budget Director,
and I want to get to the experience. That's been
the last month for you, Senator Tillis, because when we
had you on the phone a few weeks ago, it
was the first radio interview you'd done since you decided
that you were not going to run for another term.
And of course what proceeded that was the vote on
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the big beautiful bill and dust up between you and
President Trump, and we know how that all went. Now
that you've had a few weeks to sort of get
used to the idea that, Okay, I made the decision
I'm not going to run again. Now you have a
new campaign to fill the seat that's formed around you
last week, as we saw Wattlee and Roy Cooper, among others.
But now that you've had a few weeks to digest
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all of this, where's your mind right now?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I'm actually very much at peace with my decision. It's
been reported differently, but let me just give you thirty
seconds on the play by play. President called me after
I cast my vote, wanted me to change my vote.
Said I'm not going to change it, mister President. But
you've won. I'll go work on it in the House.
I'll be quiet about my opposition to this bill. But
I feel very strongly. It's going to be a huge
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impact on North Carolina. I said, but that's how we'll
end it, and we'll move on from there. About ten
minutes later, I get my first ever You know, it
wasn't really that bad in the Scheme of Things Truth
Social which I still haven't read, but I heard the
lat My staff told me the first line, and so
I went back to the President and said, now it's
a good time to find my replacement. And it was
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about ten minutes later that the President said he's going
to be looking for for interviews for the primary. I
made it very clear to the President I was done
because I wanted to be in a position to remove
any doubt that my focus on getting Medicare, Medicaid right,
a number of other policies right, have nothing to do
with political considerations anymore. Now we got to work on
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replacing someone. So how my last couple of weeks been
I feel fifteen years younger. I'm going to be focused
on making this president successful and I'm going to go
after every advisor and his administration who I think are
undermining his legacy.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Now, when you said you didn't you didn't finish reading it,
because that because you can imagine what it was, what
it said, or.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It just like that.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I mean, you got to keep in mind this guy
that this president has criticized people's wives.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He said awful things about I'm going to lose your
several time.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know, he's called him lou All he did was
say I was grand standing. So in the order of things,
it was probably just a compliment.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I didn't realize it.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But the reality is, I don't take a flex from
anybody when I have a disagreement that I think's founded
in facts. I don't care if you're the guy that
I tore up at the Reagan National Airport about two
months ago, or the president of the United States, you
treat me with respect or you get what you get.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, I'll tell you he has gone after someone else
on truth Social over the weekend. It was Charlemagne the
God after an interview with his daughter in law Laura Trump.
And I think we'll get to that after the break,
because that's that's his latest lowest IQ individual in his
truth social post.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Now, I'm guessing that you have not spoken to Trump
since then?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, we were both at the Treasury together last week
or week before last. He extended his hand, shook hands.
I suspect that if the president, if the President truly
is a transaction guy, great, because I am too that transaction.
We disagreed on that there are so many things that
this president wants to ACCOMPLI I want to help him with.
But if I see him going down a path that
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I believe his advisors are not looking around corners.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
For him, I'm going to disagree.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I think a lot of the president's problems is he
doesn't have people like mc mulvaney, Sam Boss. You need
to think this through as somebody who had experienced with Congress.
You've got a lot of juniors there that are trying
to wait ride the Trump Way right now. After Trump's gone,
They're going to ride the next wave. They don't really
care about this president. I always care about a president,
not because it's Donald J. Trump, because he's the president
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of the United States. I want to help Biden be successful.
I want to help Trump be more successful because he's
a Republican. But I'll be damned if I'm going to
have these junior, amateurish people that are advising the president
dictate what I, as a US Senator do, as a
US Senator, This is.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
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I'm a wild one wild one wild one wild.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's right, you talk eleven ten, nine to nine three WBT,
Boe and Beth.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I had not picked Tillis as a punkster that that
was not on my Bengal car this morning.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Don't get me started.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's kind of one of my new favorite things.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
This goes back to nineteen seventy eight nineteen seventy nine, folks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I just like having somebody my own age in the
studio project. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
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Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, I told you. Iggy Pop is in the well.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
He's on the soundtrack of the new Superman movie. So
you're hipper then you know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, it's are you a Superman like fan?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I mean you were talking about the Superman versus Batman
earlier today and actually.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That was you you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, he mentioned the reason I mentioned it as he
said it on the show or vidiot.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, when you were sitting in the parking lot because
you couldn't get in the building exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't tell Beth that. Apparently he was
trying to get in.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
There was a hostage situation. I couldn't get the dude's attention.
I tried to call two numbers. One lady seemed clueless
that I don't know. I don't think your after hour's number.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
For WBT is very reliable, very nice.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Just called me.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
You have just called me.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I should have done that. I texted him, did nothing,
looking at my phone.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And it said I just decided to go get back
in the truck. I was early Boe and Beth and
Mick mulvaney and US Senator Tom tell Us here. So
last week big story. Uh it was not only Roy
Cooper making his announcement. We'll get to him in a moment,
but the primary for the seat to fill the seat
that you're leaving.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
The GOP head, former n C g OP chair Michael
Wattley threw his head officially into the ring. Uh what's
your relationship with him? Have you talked to him? What
do you think about that?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
You know, Michael's a good guy. I've known him for years.
I know him back when first met him when he
was in d C advocating for energy policy, and UH
kept track of him. I spoke with him. Was latest Saturday.
We've texted as late as yesterday day before. He's gonna
have a knife fight in a phone booth. Uh, you've
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got Cooper is very strong candidate. Most people didn't think
he was going to run against me, but something's caught
his attention, and Michael's got to be ready for the
most probably most difficult process he's ever been a part of.
Six hundred million dollar campaign. He'll be put under microscope.
I think he's up to the task, but it's a
herculean task and I definitely don't want a Democrat to
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replace me as I leave the Senate.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Are you giving him advice?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Are you? Are you going to help guide him as
he tries, because he's never He's certainly been on the
background a lot of successful campaigns, but he hasn't been
the frontman.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, a different place.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
This is sort of like a coach deciding to get
on the field, and he's got to be ready. The
game's very different on the field than it is from
the sideline. So I think most people realize that once
they get into get into a race. So yeah, we've
first off, I'm assuming that the President will endorse and
clear the field in term.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Last week structurally.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But I'm saying structurally, have the party get behind him
so eliminate a serious primary challenge. I think that that's
a smart idea because, uh, we're going to need everything
focused on winning in November. If we have a very costly,
bloody primary, that even makes it more difficult for Michael.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Now, you said that the obviously Roy Cooper's name had
been floating in the mix, you sort of imagined what
might be what might be a race with you and
Roy Cooper. What about Roy Cooper versus Michael Whatley?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Well, I think Michael needs to use the same material
I would. It just won't be as personal as it
was with me. Look, Roy Cooper's not a bad guy.
I've got a friendly personal relationship with him. Got a
lot of liberal friends.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
That I would never vote for.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But the reality is is Roy Cooper was walking around
the halls of the legislature when they ended up putting
North Carolina and one of the worst possible positions you
could Economically. When I became Speaker in two thousand and eleven,
we were forty fourth in business rankings, and a lot
of that were bad decisions made by the Democrat leadership
over time of which Roy Cooper.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Was a part.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
We came in and turned the state around, and Cooper
in terms of economic success, he's kind of like a
callous He showed up after the work's been done. It
was Republicans who reduced taxes, it was Republicans who reduced regulations.
It's Republicans that took us from forty fourth to one
two or three in business rankings. And if I'm Michael Watley,
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I'm going after that and saying we cannot possibly return
to the policies that put us in an uncompetitive position,
and it was Republicans and Republican leadership that got us.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Out of it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
With all of that information, you know, in the back
pocket of someone like Pat McCrory when he was governor,
how do you think that Roy Cooper defeated him in
twenty sixteen even though all of that information was available.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I think there were you know, it all comes down
to really just grinding it out, having the money to
do it. Democrats always have more money in the state
than Republicans when you're running statewide, so it was probably
some campaign execution.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And sometimes I think the Pat's almost too nice.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I mean, when you get into the political arena, you
put on a blue jersey or a red jersey, and
you put your opponent to the map. Like I said,
I have no ill will towards Troy Cooper. We could
probably be friends. If I drink alcohol, Shill, I'd drink
a non alcoholic beer with them.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I could probably have a beer with them.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But I would never vote for him, and I would
never say that his policy strategy is going to be
a superior to or Republican strategy. I think a good
conservative limited government strategy catapult at this state into the forefront.
I want to keep them there. I don't think Democrat
leadership in the Senate helps us to that end.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
This is Good Morning Get with both Thompson and Beth
droud Man.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
By request.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
From Senator Tillis, I did this song nine inch Nails
this on your playlist. Molvani, No, come on, we are
having some fun in studio here. We have Mick mulvaney,
former White House Chief of Staff, and of course US
Senator Tom Tillis with us right now. There was an
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interview that happened over the weekend. And raise your hand
if you saw this one coming. But Charlemagne the God
a guest with Laura Trump on her Saturday night Fox show.
Let me set up this clip for you, because she
basically said to him, tell me somebody on the Democratic
side and somebody on the Republican side that maybe somebody
you could see or would like to run for president
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that maybe nobody's talking about. So the first answer was
John Stewart.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
As a Democrat, as a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Then they went to the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
I mean, I was in South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I was.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
I grew up in South Carolina under you know, somebody
like Nikki Haley, right, so I can see something like that.
I do think and this is I think that I
think that conservative traditional conservatives are going to take the
Republican Party back. I think they're a political coop going
on right now in the Republican Party that people aren't
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paying attention to.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Oh interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I think that I think that this, this this Epstein
thing is going to be a way for traditional conservatives
to take their party back.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I think that I think that they know this is
the issue that has gotten the base rolled up.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
The base.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
The magabase isn't letting this issue go, and for the
first time they know they can, you know, probably take
their party back and not piss off the magabase.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Charlotte Mane the God is a national radio host syndicated.
He is somebody who has been complimentary of President Trump
before African American, but he is was Laura Trump's guest
on Saturday Night.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I have no idea what that means, by the way,
what he just said, because what that means is, Okay,
the magabase is going to get so upset with Trump
about Epstein that they're going to beat a path back
to Mitt Romney's door that they're going to, you know,
call Paul Ryan and say, can you please come back
and run the party. That's just that's not gonna happen.
I can see where you might have a division in
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the magabase. We've talked about that is this is the
first time I've ever seen Trump be in the wrong
side of an eighty twenty issue, and people are not
letting it go the way he thought that he could
encourage them to do. But to think that that leads
to a takeover by the traditionalists in the Republican Party. Look,
that Republican Party is moving more and more towards populism
as the Democrat party, is you don't go from populism
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to Dick Cheney.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Is is there somebody in the modern party right now,
meaning that it's not named Trump, that you think would
be in the category of someone that would be at
least some sort of throwback to the way things were
before he came.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Like, there's a lot of people in Washington and politics
that are just good, solid, proven conservatives.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
What we're dealing with here is the distortion in the.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Populist era that started with Obama and Trump put it
on steroids.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
So just in the same.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Way the Democrats are having to deal with the mayor
of New York. I hope he keeps on talking because
I love what that does for Republicans. We've got people
who identify and vote for Republican right now who are
not Republicans. They're a part of the populist message that
resonates with them. So they're kind of on the waiver wire.
They're going our way. But I mean, my goodness, if
you take a look at some of the things they're espousing,
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they're about as far away from conservative ideals as you
can find.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But they're getting us elected. That's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
But there are plenty of people to step into a
void that's created if we transition out of this populist era.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We probably will.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
We did in the Gilded Age, We've done it in
the two or three other times that we've been populist driven.
I think it'll happen the same time here and the
good solid Conservatives are going to be in a good
position to win elections when we get there.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So what happens though in the midterms, if this Epstein
issue doesn't go away, or if it's not resolved in
a way that quiets the base or that quiets democrats.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I'm a lot more worried about economic performance, the impact
of Medicaid and the bill that was passed last month
than I am about Epstein. Like I said on You
All show, just release the files, guys. Let sunshine disinfect everything.
Release the files that we can admit that maybe it
wasn't a sensational if you admit it, if that's one
of the reasons you're not doing it, or let some
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people pay the consequences for being a part of a
human trafficking of young females. Either once an okay outcome
for me and one that I don't think is a
fatal blow to this administration. We should also keep in mind,
I don't believe we're going to change the constitution. The
President is not going to run again, So this is
all about maybe consequences in the midterm. At the end
of the day, it's going to be the economy and
implementation of policies next year they're going to termine the outcome,
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not the Epstein files.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Well, and a question two with the big beautiful bill
and the impacts that people might feel, most people won't
feel those impacts until after the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Right, Beth, Please do not confuse a policy opportunity with
a policy implementation. I became the second Republican Speaker of
the House since the Civil War because I started successfully
telling people what Obamacare was going to do to them
before Obamacare was ever even ratified. So people need to
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understand the plain text of the laws out there. People,
in some respects delay in the implementation puts you at
greater risk because now the Democrats can assert stuff that
are probably going to be patently false. And healthcare like
it was when I ran the campaigns back in twenty ten,
I mean, it was a treasure trove of things you
can use to create wedge issues and hopefully we can
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overcome it get Republicans reelected.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Before we go to break here back to what Mix
said for just a moment about the Epstein situation and
how it is really the first issue that's come along
that put Trump at odds with some of his magabase.
Do you think, in both of you, I want to
where do you think this is going to go? Is
it eventually going to just kind of waste away? Or
is this the kind of thing that he's going to
have to confront somehow before he moves on to something else.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I think it. I think it has to come out.
I just think it does. I just I keep harkening
back to the fact the reason Congress left early the
House now was because there were a lot of Republicans
pro Trump, Republicans willing to either sign off on a
discharge petition or vote for it when it came up
on the floor. That's the highest level of anti leadership
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thing that you can do. And what does that mean
in their mind? That means in their mind, Okay, it's
better for me politically to be for transparency on the
Epstein issue than it is to do what Donald Trump says.
And that's a big change. That's it. That's it. That
is a sea change in sorry, the politics of Washington,
d C. And I think it's gonna it's gonna come out.
And again, I don't think there's anything really bad about
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Donald Trump in there. I think it's bad about other
people that somebody, for some reason on both sides of
the islands agree with the tech I think makes out
on It could be some embarrassing stuff for Trump, but
never illegal or else you would have heard about it already.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Well, you hear about it a lot in the media.
Do you hear about it behind the scenes on Capitol
Hill and back rooms? And this is this something that.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
It's a huge distraction, which is why I think we
had to pull off the band aid. I mean, MiG
knows how Washington works. I mean where it's like a
baby nursery. When one baby starts crying, they all start crying.
They're all crying about the Epstein information right now, the
best thing we could do to get rid of this
distraction is to make it public and move on.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And should have done it now because it's August, which
is a dead zone.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
In other words, it gets talked about in a vacuum.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
This month.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
No one's one's at the beach wrapping up vacations.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
This is good morning, beauty.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Because you told me a job.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I'm gonna use it better.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hey for the Wreckers, baby was dancing to the Charman
music about this crap. He was like doing the he
was doing the awkward dance dance like god, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Lis And now like Brian Adams.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Sharon, how about the Charbott Thief song on my Netflix
or on my YouTube music premium?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Wait, hang on for the record, Brian Adams yeay or nay?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I'm okay with Brian.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's all you needed to say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
My first year extreme No no, no, no, actually done.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's better than him. We have maybe your next career.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Mick mulvaney and the US Senator Tom tell Us in
studio with us. First of all, thank you so much
for staying as long as you have. This has been
really enlightening. And hope it's not the last time we
do this.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
He's gonna have plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Well yeah, let's talk about that. So you know, now
when the end game is, so to speak, you made
the decision that you're not going to run again, So
you have what a little over a year left in
d C. What's what is on the list of things
to do before I leave?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Seventeen months? But who's counting a lot? We got it.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
First off, We've got to make sure that we get
the president's legacy secured, and a part of that is
having members in the Senate who will give it him
advice that people around him are not. So one of
the roles that you all will never see, hopefully, is
my try to get my getting advice to the president
directly because I don't trust some of his advisors to
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look around corners make sure that we implement these good
ideas for policies, but they have staying power. There's also
a lot of things that I intend to do. You know,
I have the deciding vote on finance and on banking
and judiciary. I'm going to make sure that all the
President's good nominees make it through and going to send
a very clear message if you send somebody up who
crosses a red line that I have on January sixth
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or other things, I'm simply not.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Going to allow him out a committee.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I don't take that power lightly, but it is one
that I'm fully aware that I have, so I think
I may be in a better position now than if
I stayed in the Senate to help the President not
suffer the consequences of bad advice from some of these
sick of fans who are working for him. That it's
a money model with them as much as it is
a legacy for this president of.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
The United States. So we've got to work on that.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Hopefully get things right for health care policy, get the
economy on track, and continue to build on a lot
of the great things President. I agree with eighty percent
of what he's doing. It's the twenty percent that could
get them in trouble. I'm going to try and make
sure that twenty percent doesn't happen to his legacy.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
Do you think that some of the advisors that he
has now, if he doesn't have people who oppose maybe
ideas or maybe are giving him bad advice, do you
think those people have the ability to tarnish this president?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well, they will know.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
When you're hired as an advisor in your boss says
something that you think is bad and is going to
be bad for them, then you're a coward and you're
lying by not offering your opinion I've been accused of
a lot of things, but the President has never accused
me of being indirect with him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
When I'm giving him.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Advice, I've told him you can take it. But I'm
telling you you have people in your circle giving you
that are not in your best interest. It may be
in their best interest, or it may be a hold
my beer. You watch this sort of interest on their part.
I'm here to make this president successful, not because I
want the President to be successful. I want this country
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to be successful. I want the Congress to be successful.
While on Earth would anybody who's invested twenty years in
getting Republicans elected, getting conservative policy implemented at the state
and federal level want to undermine that legacy. I'm here
to make it shine. And he has people on his
staff who need to get out or get away from
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his ear because they're the single greatest threat to his legacy.
I told him that just before I also told him
he needed to find a replacement in North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
So Pete Heggsith Pete Hegseth is somebody that is probably
the biggest example of somebody that's gotten scrutiny because scrutiny
because of where they came from and whether they were
qualified to begin with. And we don't have to go
back to the whole backstory of the confirmation process. But
what do you what do you think of the job
he's done thus far?
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I think that the I deferred to the Senate Armed
Services Committee, I said, I'm going to look at other factors,
but Senate Armed Services has to determine whether or not
he has the requisite skills. It's clear to me that
they were overly generous with his ability to run a
large complex organization. He's he's got a C on a
good day, and a C minus on on an average day,
and a D plus on most days. This is a large,
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complex organization that needs shaking up. Believe me when I
tell you there's a lot of way. Why did it
take ten years to find the next generation handgun?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right? So there's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
But you've got to have someone who has large has
a successful track record and running large complex organizations to
really drive out those benefits. And I think, based on
what I've seen now, piece just not up to the test.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Good guy, patriot, you know, a hero.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
I'll give them all that, but there's a difference between
all that and being capable of running a large, the
most complex and I believe consequential organization in the world.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Do you guys think that he survives the term?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Heyke Seth, Yeah, well, I mean, the chances of any
of them lasting all four years just statistically is fairly low.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
When this guy, y'all got to keep in mind and
President's first term, he had more sects than spinal tab
had drummers.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I lost track at the end, but he's probably five.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right, it was five.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
We asked you what's on the to do list between
now and when you leave office? Have you thought much
about what comes after you leave office?
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Well, one thing I'm going to do is take control
over my calendar for the first time in about twenty years.
That those socks that I was showing you were my
three grandchildren, and I already spend a lot of time
with them, probably more than just about any member that
has grandchildren, because they're they, my wife, my family are
top priority. And then I'll get into business. You know,
I've been working since I was twelve years old. I
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got a worker's permit when I was twelve, paid into
Social Security thirty three dollars back in nineteen seventy three.
I don't plan on stepping away for that from some time.
I'll be sixty five at the end of this month.
I got a few more laps around the track, and
we'll figure that out after. I try to do everything
I can to harden this president's legacy. Is one of
the most successful presidents in modern history. Well, it's well
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within our reach as long as we work together to
that end.
Speaker 6 (45:19):
Now, Mick, you worked as a very close advisor to
the president one time.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yes, ye, at one.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Point, so as he said that there are people around
him right now who could tarnish his legacy.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
We have just a few seconds left.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
But who do you think is good at getting the
president's ear and helping maintain a legacy that is positive
and that people see as we look back at the
history of his presidenc see as positive.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bunch of good people in the White House.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
There's not a lot of good people.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Kevin Hassett was just on TV after me on CNBC
this morning. Kim's one of my favorite people. It runs.
He's the National Economic Advisor, really really talented people. I
become a big fan of Scott Bessant in the last
couple of weeks but I've not been shy on this
program on television, ending on a street corner yelling at
people that I think people like you know, Peter Navarro
are a real problem, big problem that they that they're
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just they are. It's hard to describe it.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
By the way, they're not there for the right race.
It's exactly, you can be nice, but I could even
not be nice. They couldn't get out there for the
right race.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
They could not get a job. But for the job
I have not nothing the singularly unemployed. Yeah, I mean, basically,
this is the guy who got caught, you know, with
using an imaginary friend in some of his academic works.
So and now he's a senior advisor to the president.
He's not the only one. There's some really really good
and talented people out there, uh, in the White House
working for him. But then there's why Trump seems to
(46:37):
want to have the very best in the world and
the very worst at the same time. I have no idea,
but the analogy I say is, look, we began the
first term with the president United States being advised by
the president of Goldman Sachs, and we ended the first
term with a president being advised by a guy who
sells pillows at night on Fox News. Okay, that that
that has been the arc of that of that administration,
(46:58):
and he needs to be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Well, look, we've managed to get Mick to come in
on a regular basis with us on Mondays. We'd love
to have you in a similar situation, maybe after everything
calms down, after you leave office. But you always have
a have a line in to talk to us, and
we appreciate the accessibility.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Thanks, This has been fun.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
We have mulvany Mondays. We could have tell us Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Look at that. There you go, Well, we'll see you tomorrow. Senator,
Why did you.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Get too crazy on me out there? That's the name
of a game. Well, listen while you're still coming we
get that bull right together.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Jos.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, see hear what they said there too for you,
not just Mick Mulvaney. Today we have former White House
Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, as we do most Mondays,
but sitting next to him, both of them in studio.
US Senator Tom Tillis is here. Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's great to be back. Just can mix. Is gonna
be like Superman versus Batman.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I have no idea what this is going to be. No,
I was glad I hydrated for this.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, we've been talking about doing this for a while
and we found out both of you all were game
for it, and it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Was we in that sentence you mentioned it to me
for the first time last Monday, we had oh YouTube.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, yeah, we've been We've been planning and plotting and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Then and then we realized there was some and forth
going on texting a week ago, and we said, okay,
now we got to harness this, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I actually thought in the back of my mind going
into the weekend that maybe you might get stuck in
DC for a few more days. Because you were there
until Saturday night, right.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I got home yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And and how close were things to getting extended?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Do you think we had a deal that we thought
that was going to get done between the Democrats and
the White House, but it fell apart at the eleventh hours.
So we got a few more done and then we're
going to come back and continue NOMS when we return
after Labor Day.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And so you're on recess for for a month?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay, And so when you go into recess mode is
the first thing you usually do, you know, come over
to the fifty thousand what blow torch and have a
conversation or how's that usually go?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Well, of course, no, I'm actually looking forward to it.
I had my staff say there were there was almost
a deal killer. You should know this because when I
looked at my calendar and I just saw Bo and
Mick and I didn't think Beth was going to be
That could have been a deal killer.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm not I'm serious. It's wait a minute, for me,
not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It would be for me as well.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't come here if it's just.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
You guys, lovely well, tell me, Senator, as deals fall
apart like this one did at the eleventh hour, what
happens in that Senate chamber?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Is there an audible like h is there?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
What do people go into backroom offices and start having conversations.
How does the process work to try to come back together?
And what actually happened?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
There were a lot of efforts to uh and we're
going to work on maybe a deal sometime in September
to accelerate. Look, even the Democrats realize that if you
go back and take a look at the noms that
we did over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I know everybody's lathered up over it, but really the.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Legal counsel to advocacy for the small business administration, I
don't think that's going to stop Ukraine War anything anytime soon.
I think that we have to realize there are cabinet
subcabinet roles that we should absolutely press on the other ones.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
We should get.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Smart, get a package, and frankly, get to a point
where about four or five hundred of them. We're not
even doing like we do normal confirmations because both Republicans
and Democrats have used it to grind the chamber down
so hopefully we'll get back and get smart.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
On And that's the key part, by the way, because
it's both Republicans and Democrats. It's just leverage, is all
that it is. It's not advice and consent. It's advice
and consent for the big names, the ones that we
all know. Everything else it's delay and extort. I'll tell
you a story off the air, because I'm pretty sure
it would send somebody to jail. But I got shook
down by a Republican senator for money for a nominee vote.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Look in that band is dead now, so they're probably
not going to jail now.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Number One, what narrows down the possibi?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
A lot happen there.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I can get that. I get that one identified before
of this segment.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It doesn't really limited in the Senate, though, does it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
No, Like at the end of the day, there's twelve
hundred noms they go before a Senate. There should probably
be about seven hundred the other ones. We should come
up with some way to defer the administration. Look, they're
down in the in the weeds and the plumbing, and
they're and they're clogging up the plumbing of the US
in it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, you know, there's a lot that has been said
about these what happens if these appointments keep lingering there?
You said over the weekend that you would not go
the nuclear route for this, And we hear about recess appointments,
and that's been something that's been talked about a good
bit since President Trump took took office for a second time.
But when when there are I mean, I think some
(04:27):
people might be surprised to even know there are so
many lingering, unconfirmed positions out there. But are there ones
that you think that are hugely important ones or.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
How does it break down? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, well, first off, we have to understand most of
these positions, if they're really important, can have acting members.
They have some limits, but to a large extent, they
can get a lot of things done. So it's not
like that job's not being done. It's just you carry
a little bit more weight if you've been sent confirmed.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But you know, I actually offered.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
To be the to support a package for recess appointments.
I was not willing to let the administration just do
all recess appointments, but I was a part of the
negotiations to say, yeah, we'll get up to one hundred
and sixty. We'll let the President define exactly what they are.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
We'll go out of here.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
If they stay within those meats and bounds, we'll use
that as a lever to get the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To the table. I'm still open to doing that. But
you know, spare me.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know Republicans saying that this is unprecedented, It's only
unprecedented in this Congress because it was the same thing
we did a couple of congresses ago. So let's just
be honest with the American people. Negotiate a deal, get moving, and.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Get to the real work.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Noms are not going to make or break us very
important legislation on the economy.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
A number of other things could.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And they take time away from judges as well.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
One percent big story over the weekend about the Bureau
of Labor Statistics commissioner. They got fired by President Trump
after the job numbers came out on Friday. And I
want to talk about the background of this. Senator Tillis,
you had a comment I'll read this as we're going
to break and then we'll come back and talk about it.
(06:05):
But you said if she was fired because the president
or whoever decided to fire the director just did it
because they didn't like the numbers. Then they ought to
grow up. And that line to grow up part You've
seen that several places over the weekend. But this whole
idea that President Trump fired her because he didn't like
what he what he heard the numbers to be.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So clearly you were watching my CNBC interview before I
came on here this morning. I do, I do all
kinds of I'm sure it's on the TV above my
head right now.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, okay, I'll pulled over the side of the roadway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Thank you. You know, I believe you. It's him I
worry about.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, who are you again?
Speaker 7 (06:38):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Traffic care?
Speaker 7 (06:40):
This is Good Morning Beat with both Thompson and Beth
trout Man.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Come, how come you get top Billy on the Good
Morning BT.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
This is a Good Morning Bet with Senator Tom Tillis
and Nick mulvaney and.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And Beth and Beth trout Man. Beth, have you ever
noticed that that's always Bo Thompson and Beth Troup.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Well, I did kind of come in on a show
that already existed. It was called The Bo Thompson Morning Show.
Yeah yeah, but he in his good graces. I mean
when he brought me in. He was like, we're not
going to call this the Bo Thompson Morning Show with
Beth Troutman.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It was his idea to change the show.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I thought, what was what was that before this?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It is what was here? It is when it wants
to be.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Welcome back. We have a Beth, and we have Senator Tillis,
and we have Mick mulvaney, and we have Meat in
the Tyboid studio. And in fact, they're gracious enough to
join us for an hour and a half today. So
we got these guys until ten and a lot to
talk about. I mentioned going into the last break. The
big story this weekend, or probably the biggest, the most
(07:47):
talked about story out of DC, was the fact that
President Trump fired the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor
Statistics after the agency reported that the economy added just
seventy three thousand jobs in July, also released downward revisions
of jobs data from May and June, and President Trump
took the truth social and eventually fired her. And so
(08:10):
here we are, and I got to get to I
know that Senator Tillis made a comment over the weekend
that I alluded to during the break. But now that
you all are here and we can kind of flesh
this out a bit more, what about this over the weekend.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, let's start with a quote. What I actually said.
You're right about the second half. What I said was,
if the president has been presented with information that makes
it clear that she fail to do her job, that
the methodology whatever issues to come up with the BLS reports.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Of course he should fire.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But if he fired her just because he didn't like
the result, that's childish and whatever. The president very seldom
makes a decision on his own. He's usually either has
an idea he asked people if they agree with them,
or people continue to or give him a good idea.
I think that again, if we proved that the method
was wrong, that they were overseeing a process that didn't
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have validity, you get rid of them. But if you
fired them just because you got to dip in jobs,
that's childish and it's a distraction, and it discredits a
very important agency for statistics. This isn't just something that
the president looks at. It's something that every person in
business looks at and makes decisions around. We can, on
her mind, data coming out of what we consider be
gold standard for analysis.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Well, I thought that this was an interesting political move
because even politically, if they do find out that things
were done poorly or not done well, and she was
fired for cause, but if they put someone else in place,
and suddenly there are great jobs numbers they've given opponents
of Donald Trump, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's exactly right. You want to start cooking the books.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean, look, the reason why China's economy, China's employment,
everything looks rosy is because Sheijingping controls the information that
comes out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We live up to a higher standard.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
We need to continue to even though even sometimes we
don't like the result or it undermines our credibility.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm all for the integrity of the data, the credibility
of the institutions, and so forth. But let's let's be honest.
We haven't had that now. J. Powell went on National
Television International Television on Wednesday of last week and said, well,
the job market looks great. Therefore we're thinking about not
lowering rates. He was relying on bad data. The BLS
was putting out really bad data. I get to the
(10:23):
point about explaining why that is and so forth. Sometimes
you just somebody has to be accountable some that you know,
you can't fire the whole thing, So let's fire the coach.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
But let's use this moment like anytime I fire somebody
for cause, to document the cause. And bad data, bad analytics,
bad process are great reasons to get rid of somebody
that you'd trust to lead an analytics organization.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But let's not walk away from it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Let's do the after action to point to exactly why
we think the information was flawed so.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
That we don't repeat the mistake.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They're still getting data on facsimiles.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I was going to ask, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
They still get some through the mail well in.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Its surveys, right, the data that comes from interviewing employers
and employees and.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Then business still out right. Sort of like I'm going
to oversimplify, but I sort of like the old what
was the system you used to use for what television
stations you were watching? Neilsen filling your book and stuff
like that. It's similar to that.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
So it's antiquated in the way that the information gets
too and it does.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
A terrible job of counting new jobs and old jobs,
new businesses, old businesses. I get that, but this was
the largest downward revision since other than COVID, which is
a different its own outlier since nineteen seventy nine. Ordinarily,
revisions are we had one hundred thousand jobs last month. No,
it was revised down to ninety or up to one
hundred and ten. We lost a quarter of a million
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jobs in this report over the course of the last two.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
But the reason why we've got a look at the methodology, folks,
is we've also had an unprecedented series of tariffs going
in that change uncertain that change certainty and certainty causes
businesses to pull back on employment. They've got to prepare
for potent cause that they can't control, so you get
rid of the ones that you can, Which is why
(12:04):
I continue to be the nerdy old data guys saying,
show me the data and you got me. Don't show
me the rhetoric that doesn't impress me.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't get the I don't see how I'm trying
to walk this through in my head that Trump is
accusing her of manipulating the data in the past in
order to hurt him politically, because I'm thinking, okay, is
are people in Washington capable of doing that? Absolutely, there
are people in Washington who believe that the end justified
the means that I aggressed to making Trump look bad. However,
(12:32):
if I was running these numbers and I wanted to
make the president look bad, I would not have put
out great job numbers in May and June and then
rise them down. I just would have put out the
bad numbers to begin with.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
And also would put out numbers that will probably drive
the FED rate cut that the President once Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, I saw an interview over the weekend with Bill Beach,
who was the previous commissioner that President Trump appointed, the
one that was fired by Trump over the weekend was
the point by Biden. It is my understanding, but he
Beach said that his job as the commissioner was simply
to be the messenger of here's what it is. He
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didn't have anything to do with the collection or the
overseeing of what happened to get there.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But that goes to my point about accountability. Okay, somebody
is I mean, I don't. I was in the Financial
Services Committee. We had oversight over Treasury. We didn't have
much overset over BLS, but we used a lot of
BLS numbers. I never remember anybody from the Obama administration.
I remember it from the Trump administration going down to
Congress saying we need to change the system. Someone has
to be responsible for it. And if it's not the
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person in charge of BLS, then who is it?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, last footnote on the bid the Biden nominee.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Keep in mind that this person had been in analytics
roles for almost the entire of her career in the
US government, had been playing a role since I think
about two thousand and eight and before that. So she's
not like a political hack that came from the dncing
I put it in the BLS. Let's just look at
the data. Though I'm not I'm not four or against it.
I'm just all about let's understand the reason for cause
(14:05):
for the termination.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Well, and to that point with the data, and that
this came from Comsion Commissioner Beach as well, that it's
commonplace to revise over a two month period the numbers
that came out because of the outliers, you know, the
people who don't get those Like you said, it's an
antiquated system, Mick, But to get that information back in
and the more information that comes in, the more accurate
(14:26):
the numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Visions are normal. Revisions are normal. There's no question about
revisions of this size is once in a fifty year event.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But guys, keep in mind again timeline the revisions. When
you're talking about jobs forecasts over the last two months.
Look at what's happened over the last two months. Unprecedented
uncertainty in the trade space. Businesses are going to react
to uncertainty by pulling in the costs that they think
they could have easily set them an employ this many
people sixty days ago. Now they think a tear for
a major supplying countries in play.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I got to pull back.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So there may be some rationale there, or there could
be a pure political mode ovation.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Let's just get to the facts.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Last time Senator Tillis was on with us by a
phone about three weeks ago, the last thing you said
to us was release the damn files. I think you
know what we're talking about there. Also, the Senator's been
in the news in the last month for a variety
of reasons. We'll talk about the race that now is
setting up after he vacates. Michael Wattley announced last week,
(15:23):
Roy Cooper announced last week. Lots to get to with
Mick mlvaney and Senator Tom Tillis here in the ty
Boyd studio. Stay with us all right, lady.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So tell them alove here in Timon.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
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Speaker 5 (15:35):
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Speaker 7 (15:39):
This is Good Morning Beat with Bo Thompson and Beth
trout Beach watched me for the changes and try to
keep up with.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Gay right now.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Monday morning, first Monday in August. Both Thompson, Beth Troutman
Mick mulvaney, former White House of Staff among many things
you see him on News Nation and added to the
mix today. We're happy to have US Senator Tom Tillis,
So we have a former White House Chief of Staff
and we have a current US Senator in studio for
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the rest of the show, the rest of the hour.
We appreciate both of you all being here.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You know, we were talking about Pat McCrory during the break
and I could have sworn we just heard a segment
from the Foo Foo Dolls.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ah, Yes, the famous Foo Fighters, the Foo Foo Fighters,
as he said back in the day, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
A Goo Goo Fighters. Is the Fighters Dolls?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Now, before the before the actual break, we were talking
about the jobs numbers, the economy and Senator Tillis you
were saying that the jobs numbers could be impacted by
what's going on with tariffs right now. And one of
the one of the fascinating set of tariffs over the
weekend that had a lot of people raising eyebrows the
fifty percent tariff on Brazil. Now, we actually have a
(17:03):
trade surplus with Brazil, not a trade deficit with Brazil.
But this has more to do with politics and their
legal system. This was just one of the headlines from
over the weekend. Trump hits Brazilian products with fifty percent
tariff over Bulsonaro, which is their former president who was
convicted of trying to overthrow the government of a coup.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, I think it's a mistake.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
I was a business advisor most of my career, and
the tariffs that we're going through, I could see an
argument for many of them when we have a trade
deficit with several countries, but not a country that we
have a trade surplus with and a tariff that's applied
that has nothing to do with our trade relationship. Look,
we have imposed the United States has imposed a fifty
(17:52):
percent tariff on a country, saying unless you reverse a
judicial decision in a sovereign nation than you at this tariff.
So if I'm a business advisor, I'm saying, on the
one end, we're getting these tariffs squared away around the world.
But on the other hand, the president, if he gets
angry about something not even related to the business relationship.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
He may slap a tariff on you.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It's very difficult for businesses to go to navigate through that.
I actually met with members of the Brazilian Senate in
my office last week, someone who's a personal friend of
and a party of the party of the president in
question here, and he said, look, we're working through the
courts to reverse this decision, but let us do it
according to our court system and the laws. Don't think
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that we can possibly just arbitrarily reverse a decision, or
they will do serious damage to their reputation worldwide because
it means that their rule of law doesn't mean anything
if you've got somebody who disagrees.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
With it from the outside.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
A couple different that's look at it from two perspectives.
Number One, American governments have done this all the time,
just not as blatantly as Donald Trump is doing it.
I remember very vividly learning when I was in Rome
for the first time fifteen years ago from leaders of
the Sub Saharan African nations that the Obama administration was
withholding their foreign aid until they change their laws on
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gay marriage and abortion. These are Christians, great Muslim nations, whatever,
and the obamadministration will say, look, I know Congress told
us we have to give you this money, but we
aren't going to do it unless you change your local laws.
So again there's precedent here of some fashion. I think
Trump made a mistake here because I think this is
one of the times he's trying to evoke his emergency
power under APA the emergency the trade expansion stuff. And
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you can't say I'm doing it because I don't like
a decision that you've made locally, and then try to
create an emergency. I think they'll end up shooting themselves
in the foot in court. And I don't know if
this one's going to hold up or not well.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And I think it also underminds the president's credibility when
he is rightfully going after countries with tariffs too. So
let's stay on the positive and not have these distractions
undermind what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, because what will happen now is that someone who's
suing to try and prevent the law the tariffs against
say I don't pick number Japan. I was going to say, well,
you know what, we think this was done for a
non emergency reason. We think this was done for an
inappropriate reason, just like Trump did in Brazil. So you
got to sort of defend your actions. That makes it
more difficult to defend the tariffs in court. So I
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think the Trump team has opened themselves up to some
criticisms because of how they've handled the Brazil situation.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I don't want to filibuster too much, but that's the team,
is what I'm talking about. Anybody who knows the trade
space should have advised the president this is not a
good idea for the bigger picture priority that he has
that I agree with.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I want to do it due to two thirty two.
Just do it properly one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
His staff need to play up because they're not giving
on good advice in this space.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
US Senator Tom Tillis and Mick mulvaney, former White House
Chief of Staff and South Carolina congressman White House Budget Director,
and I want to get to the experience. That's been
the last month for you, Senator Tillis, because when we
had you on the phone a few weeks ago, it
was the first radio interview you'd done since you decided
that you were not going to run for another term.
And of course what proceeded that was the vote on
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the big beautiful bill and dust up between you and
President Trump, and we know how that all went. Now
that you've had a few weeks to sort of get
used to the idea that, Okay, I made the decision
I'm not going to run again. Now you have a
new campaign to fill the seat that's formed around you
last week, as we saw Wattlee and Roy Cooper, among others.
But now that you've had a few weeks to digest
(21:23):
all of this, where's your mind right now?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I'm actually very much at peace with my decision. It's
been reported differently, but let me just give you thirty
seconds on the play by play. President called me after
I cast my vote, wanted me to change my vote.
Said I'm not going to change it, mister President. But
you've won. I'll go work on it in the House.
I'll be quiet about my opposition to this bill. But
I feel very strongly. It's going to be a huge
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impact on North Carolina. I said, but that's how we'll
end it, and we'll move on from there. About ten
minutes later, I get my first ever You know, it
wasn't really that bad in the Scheme of Things Truth
Social which I still haven't read, but I heard the
lat My staff told me the first line, and so
I went back to the President and said, now it's
a good time to find my replacement. And it was
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about ten minutes later that the President said he's going
to be looking for for interviews for the primary. I
made it very clear to the President I was done
because I wanted to be in a position to remove
any doubt that my focus on getting Medicare, Medicaid right,
a number of other policies right, have nothing to do
with political considerations anymore. Now we got to work on
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replacing someone. So how my last couple of weeks been
I feel fifteen years younger. I'm going to be focused
on making this president successful and I'm going to go
after every advisor and his administration who I think are
undermining his legacy.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Now, when you said you didn't you didn't finish reading it,
because that because you can imagine what it was, what
it said, or.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It just like that.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I mean, you got to keep in mind this guy
that this president has criticized people's wives.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
He said awful things about I'm going to lose your
several time.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know, he's called him lou All he did was
say I was grand standing. So in the order of things,
it was probably just a compliment.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I didn't realize it.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
But the reality is, I don't take a flex from
anybody when I have a disagreement that I think's founded
in facts. I don't care if you're the guy that
I tore up at the Reagan National Airport about two
months ago, or the president of the United States, you
treat me with respect or you get what you get.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, I'll tell you he has gone after someone else
on truth Social over the weekend. It was Charlemagne the
God after an interview with his daughter in law Laura Trump.
And I think we'll get to that after the break,
because that's that's his latest lowest IQ individual in his
truth social post.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Now, I'm guessing that you have not spoken to Trump
since then?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, we were both at the Treasury together last week
or week before last. He extended his hand, shook hands.
I suspect that if the president, if the President truly
is a transaction guy, great, because I am too that transaction.
We disagreed on that there are so many things that
this president wants to ACCOMPLI I want to help him with.
But if I see him going down a path that
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I believe his advisors are not looking around corners.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
For him, I'm going to disagree.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I think a lot of the president's problems is he
doesn't have people like mc mulvaney, Sam Boss. You need
to think this through as somebody who had experienced with Congress.
You've got a lot of juniors there that are trying
to wait ride the Trump Way right now. After Trump's gone,
They're going to ride the next wave. They don't really
care about this president. I always care about a president,
not because it's Donald J. Trump, because he's the president
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of the United States. I want to help Biden be successful.
I want to help Trump be more successful because he's
a Republican. But I'll be damned if I'm going to
have these junior, amateurish people that are advising the president
dictate what I, as a US Senator do, as a
US Senator, This is.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
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I'm a wild one wild one wild one wild.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's right, you talk eleven ten, nine to nine three WBT,
Boe and Beth.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I had not picked Tillis as a punkster that that
was not on my Bengal car this morning.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Don't get me started.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's kind of one of my new favorite things.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
This goes back to nineteen seventy eight nineteen seventy nine, folks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I just like having somebody my own age in the
studio project. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Jesus well done, and he did the pets.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, I told you. Iggy Pop is in the well.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
He's on the soundtrack of the new Superman movie. So
you're hipper then you know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, it's are you a Superman like fan?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I mean you were talking about the Superman versus Batman
earlier today and actually.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That was you you mentioned.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, he mentioned the reason I mentioned it as he
said it on the show or vidiot.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, when you were sitting in the parking lot because
you couldn't get in the building exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't tell Beth that. Apparently he was
trying to get in.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
There was a hostage situation. I couldn't get the dude's attention.
I tried to call two numbers. One lady seemed clueless
that I don't know. I don't think your after hour's number.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
For WBT is very reliable, very nice.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Just called me.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
You have just called me.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I should have done that. I texted him, did nothing,
looking at my phone.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And it said I just decided to go get back
in the truck. I was early Boe and Beth and
Mick mulvaney and US Senator Tom tell Us here. So
last week big story. Uh it was not only Roy
Cooper making his announcement. We'll get to him in a moment,
but the primary for the seat to fill the seat
that you're leaving.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
The GOP head, former n C g OP chair Michael
Wattley threw his head officially into the ring. Uh what's
your relationship with him? Have you talked to him? What
do you think about that?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
You know, Michael's a good guy. I've known him for years.
I know him back when first met him when he
was in d C advocating for energy policy, and UH
kept track of him. I spoke with him. Was latest Saturday.
We've texted as late as yesterday day before. He's gonna
have a knife fight in a phone booth. Uh, you've
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got Cooper is very strong candidate. Most people didn't think
he was going to run against me, but something's caught
his attention, and Michael's got to be ready for the
most probably most difficult process he's ever been a part of.
Six hundred million dollar campaign. He'll be put under microscope.
I think he's up to the task, but it's a
herculean task and I definitely don't want a Democrat to
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replace me as I leave the Senate.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Are you giving him advice?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Are you? Are you going to help guide him as
he tries, because he's never He's certainly been on the
background a lot of successful campaigns, but he hasn't been
the frontman.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, a different place.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
This is sort of like a coach deciding to get
on the field, and he's got to be ready. The
game's very different on the field than it is from
the sideline. So I think most people realize that once
they get into get into a race. So yeah, we've
first off, I'm assuming that the President will endorse and
clear the field in term.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Last week structurally.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But I'm saying structurally, have the party get behind him
so eliminate a serious primary challenge. I think that that's
a smart idea because, uh, we're going to need everything
focused on winning in November. If we have a very costly,
bloody primary, that even makes it more difficult for Michael.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Now, you said that the obviously Roy Cooper's name had
been floating in the mix, you sort of imagined what
might be what might be a race with you and
Roy Cooper. What about Roy Cooper versus Michael Whatley?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Well, I think Michael needs to use the same material
I would. It just won't be as personal as it
was with me. Look, Roy Cooper's not a bad guy.
I've got a friendly personal relationship with him. Got a
lot of liberal friends.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
That I would never vote for.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
But the reality is is Roy Cooper was walking around
the halls of the legislature when they ended up putting
North Carolina and one of the worst possible positions you
could Economically. When I became Speaker in two thousand and eleven,
we were forty fourth in business rankings, and a lot
of that were bad decisions made by the Democrat leadership
over time of which Roy Cooper.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Was a part.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
We came in and turned the state around, and Cooper
in terms of economic success, he's kind of like a
callous He showed up after the work's been done. It
was Republicans who reduced taxes, it was Republicans who reduced regulations.
It's Republicans that took us from forty fourth to one
two or three in business rankings. And if I'm Michael Watley,
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I'm going after that and saying we cannot possibly return
to the policies that put us in an uncompetitive position,
and it was Republicans and Republican leadership that got us.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Out of it.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
With all of that information, you know, in the back
pocket of someone like Pat McCrory when he was governor,
how do you think that Roy Cooper defeated him in
twenty sixteen even though all of that information was available.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I think there were you know, it all comes down
to really just grinding it out, having the money to
do it. Democrats always have more money in the state
than Republicans when you're running statewide, so it was probably
some campaign execution.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And sometimes I think the Pat's almost too nice.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I mean, when you get into the political arena, you
put on a blue jersey or a red jersey, and
you put your opponent to the map. Like I said,
I have no ill will towards Troy Cooper. We could
probably be friends. If I drink alcohol, Shill, I'd drink
a non alcoholic beer with them.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I could probably have a beer with them.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But I would never vote for him, and I would
never say that his policy strategy is going to be
a superior to or Republican strategy. I think a good
conservative limited government strategy catapult at this state into the forefront.
I want to keep them there. I don't think Democrat
leadership in the Senate helps us to that end.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
This is Good Morning Get with both Thompson and Beth
droud Man.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
By request.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
From Senator Tillis, I did this song nine inch Nails
this on your playlist. Molvani, No, come on, we are
having some fun in studio here. We have Mick mulvaney,
former White House Chief of Staff, and of course US
Senator Tom Tillis with us right now. There was an
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interview that happened over the weekend. And raise your hand
if you saw this one coming. But Charlemagne the God
a guest with Laura Trump on her Saturday night Fox show.
Let me set up this clip for you, because she
basically said to him, tell me somebody on the Democratic
side and somebody on the Republican side that maybe somebody
you could see or would like to run for president
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that maybe nobody's talking about. So the first answer was
John Stewart.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
As a Democrat, as a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Then they went to the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
I mean, I was in South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I was.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
I grew up in South Carolina under you know, somebody
like Nikki Haley, right, so I can see something like that.
I do think and this is I think that I
think that conservative traditional conservatives are going to take the
Republican Party back. I think they're a political coop going
on right now in the Republican Party that people aren't
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paying attention to.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Oh interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I think that I think that this, this this Epstein
thing is going to be a way for traditional conservatives
to take their party back.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I think that I think that they know this is
the issue that has gotten the base rolled up.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
The base.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
The magabase isn't letting this issue go, and for the
first time they know they can, you know, probably take
their party back and not piss off the magabase.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Charlotte Mane the God is a national radio host syndicated.
He is somebody who has been complimentary of President Trump
before African American, but he is was Laura Trump's guest
on Saturday Night.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I have no idea what that means, by the way,
what he just said, because what that means is, Okay,
the magabase is going to get so upset with Trump
about Epstein that they're going to beat a path back
to Mitt Romney's door that they're going to, you know,
call Paul Ryan and say, can you please come back
and run the party. That's just that's not gonna happen.
I can see where you might have a division in
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the magabase. We've talked about that is this is the
first time I've ever seen Trump be in the wrong
side of an eighty twenty issue, and people are not
letting it go the way he thought that he could
encourage them to do. But to think that that leads
to a takeover by the traditionalists in the Republican Party. Look,
that Republican Party is moving more and more towards populism
as the Democrat party, is you don't go from populism
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to Dick Cheney.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Is is there somebody in the modern party right now,
meaning that it's not named Trump, that you think would
be in the category of someone that would be at
least some sort of throwback to the way things were
before he came.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Like, there's a lot of people in Washington and politics
that are just good, solid, proven conservatives.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
What we're dealing with here is the distortion in the.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Populist era that started with Obama and Trump put it
on steroids.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
So just in the same.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Way the Democrats are having to deal with the mayor
of New York. I hope he keeps on talking because
I love what that does for Republicans. We've got people
who identify and vote for Republican right now who are
not Republicans. They're a part of the populist message that
resonates with them. So they're kind of on the waiver wire.
They're going our way. But I mean, my goodness, if
you take a look at some of the things they're espousing,
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they're about as far away from conservative ideals as you
can find.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But they're getting us elected. That's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
But there are plenty of people to step into a
void that's created if we transition out of this populist era.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We probably will.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
We did in the Gilded Age, We've done it in
the two or three other times that we've been populist driven.
I think it'll happen the same time here and the
good solid Conservatives are going to be in a good
position to win elections when we get there.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So what happens though in the midterms, if this Epstein
issue doesn't go away, or if it's not resolved in
a way that quiets the base or that quiets democrats.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I'm a lot more worried about economic performance, the impact
of Medicaid and the bill that was passed last month
than I am about Epstein. Like I said on You
All show, just release the files, guys. Let sunshine disinfect everything.
Release the files that we can admit that maybe it
wasn't a sensational if you admit it, if that's one
of the reasons you're not doing it, or let some
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people pay the consequences for being a part of a
human trafficking of young females. Either once an okay outcome
for me and one that I don't think is a
fatal blow to this administration. We should also keep in mind,
I don't believe we're going to change the constitution. The
President is not going to run again, So this is
all about maybe consequences in the midterm. At the end
of the day, it's going to be the economy and
implementation of policies next year they're going to termine the outcome,
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not the Epstein files.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Well, and a question two with the big beautiful bill
and the impacts that people might feel, most people won't
feel those impacts until after the twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Right, Beth, Please do not confuse a policy opportunity with
a policy implementation. I became the second Republican Speaker of
the House since the Civil War because I started successfully
telling people what Obamacare was going to do to them
before Obamacare was ever even ratified. So people need to
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understand the plain text of the laws out there. People,
in some respects delay in the implementation puts you at
greater risk because now the Democrats can assert stuff that
are probably going to be patently false. And healthcare like
it was when I ran the campaigns back in twenty ten,
I mean, it was a treasure trove of things you
can use to create wedge issues and hopefully we can
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overcome it get Republicans reelected.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Before we go to break here back to what Mix
said for just a moment about the Epstein situation and
how it is really the first issue that's come along
that put Trump at odds with some of his magabase.
Do you think, in both of you, I want to
where do you think this is going to go? Is
it eventually going to just kind of waste away? Or
is this the kind of thing that he's going to
have to confront somehow before he moves on to something else.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I think it. I think it has to come out.
I just think it does. I just I keep harkening
back to the fact the reason Congress left early the
House now was because there were a lot of Republicans
pro Trump, Republicans willing to either sign off on a
discharge petition or vote for it when it came up
on the floor. That's the highest level of anti leadership
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thing that you can do. And what does that mean
in their mind? That means in their mind, Okay, it's
better for me politically to be for transparency on the
Epstein issue than it is to do what Donald Trump says.
And that's a big change. That's it. That's it. That
is a sea change in sorry, the politics of Washington,
d C. And I think it's gonna it's gonna come out.
And again, I don't think there's anything really bad about
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Donald Trump in there. I think it's bad about other
people that somebody, for some reason on both sides of
the islands agree with the tech I think makes out
on It could be some embarrassing stuff for Trump, but
never illegal or else you would have heard about it already.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Well, you hear about it a lot in the media.
Do you hear about it behind the scenes on Capitol
Hill and back rooms? And this is this something that.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
It's a huge distraction, which is why I think we
had to pull off the band aid. I mean, MiG
knows how Washington works. I mean where it's like a
baby nursery. When one baby starts crying, they all start crying.
They're all crying about the Epstein information right now, the
best thing we could do to get rid of this
distraction is to make it public and move on.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And should have done it now because it's August, which
is a dead zone.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
In other words, it gets talked about in a vacuum.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
This month.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
No one's one's at the beach wrapping up vacations.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
This is good morning, beauty.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Because you told me a job.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I'm gonna use it better.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Hey for the Wreckers, baby was dancing to the Charman
music about this crap. He was like doing the he
was doing the awkward dance dance like god, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Lis And now like Brian Adams.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Sharon, how about the Charbott Thief song on my Netflix
or on my YouTube music premium?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Wait, hang on for the record, Brian Adams yeay or nay?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I'm okay with Brian.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's all you needed to say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
My first year extreme No no, no, no, actually done.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's better than him. We have maybe your next career.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Mick mulvaney and the US Senator Tom tell Us in
studio with us. First of all, thank you so much
for staying as long as you have. This has been
really enlightening. And hope it's not the last time we
do this.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
He's gonna have plenty of time.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Well yeah, let's talk about that. So you know, now
when the end game is, so to speak, you made
the decision that you're not going to run again, So
you have what a little over a year left in
d C. What's what is on the list of things
to do before I leave?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Seventeen months? But who's counting a lot? We got it.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
First off, We've got to make sure that we get
the president's legacy secured, and a part of that is
having members in the Senate who will give it him
advice that people around him are not. So one of
the roles that you all will never see, hopefully, is
my try to get my getting advice to the president
directly because I don't trust some of his advisors to
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look around corners make sure that we implement these good
ideas for policies, but they have staying power. There's also
a lot of things that I intend to do. You know,
I have the deciding vote on finance and on banking
and judiciary. I'm going to make sure that all the
President's good nominees make it through and going to send
a very clear message if you send somebody up who
crosses a red line that I have on January sixth
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or other things, I'm simply not.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Going to allow him out a committee.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
I don't take that power lightly, but it is one
that I'm fully aware that I have, so I think
I may be in a better position now than if
I stayed in the Senate to help the President not
suffer the consequences of bad advice from some of these
sick of fans who are working for him. That it's
a money model with them as much as it is
a legacy for this president of.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
The United States. So we've got to work on that.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Hopefully get things right for health care policy, get the
economy on track, and continue to build on a lot
of the great things President. I agree with eighty percent
of what he's doing. It's the twenty percent that could
get them in trouble. I'm going to try and make
sure that twenty percent doesn't happen to his legacy.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
Do you think that some of the advisors that he
has now, if he doesn't have people who oppose maybe
ideas or maybe are giving him bad advice, do you
think those people have the ability to tarnish this president?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well, they will know.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
When you're hired as an advisor in your boss says
something that you think is bad and is going to
be bad for them, then you're a coward and you're
lying by not offering your opinion I've been accused of
a lot of things, but the President has never accused
me of being indirect with him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
When I'm giving him.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Advice, I've told him you can take it. But I'm
telling you you have people in your circle giving you
that are not in your best interest. It may be
in their best interest, or it may be a hold
my beer. You watch this sort of interest on their part.
I'm here to make this president successful, not because I
want the President to be successful. I want this country
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to be successful. I want the Congress to be successful.
While on Earth would anybody who's invested twenty years in
getting Republicans elected, getting conservative policy implemented at the state
and federal level want to undermine that legacy. I'm here
to make it shine. And he has people on his
staff who need to get out or get away from
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his ear because they're the single greatest threat to his legacy.
I told him that just before I also told him
he needed to find a replacement in North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
So Pete Heggsith Pete Hegseth is somebody that is probably
the biggest example of somebody that's gotten scrutiny because scrutiny
because of where they came from and whether they were
qualified to begin with. And we don't have to go
back to the whole backstory of the confirmation process. But
what do you what do you think of the job
he's done thus far?
Speaker 5 (43:05):
I think that the I deferred to the Senate Armed
Services Committee, I said, I'm going to look at other factors,
but Senate Armed Services has to determine whether or not
he has the requisite skills. It's clear to me that
they were overly generous with his ability to run a
large complex organization. He's he's got a C on a
good day, and a C minus on on an average day,
and a D plus on most days. This is a large,
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complex organization that needs shaking up. Believe me when I
tell you there's a lot of way. Why did it
take ten years to find the next generation handgun?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right? So there's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
But you've got to have someone who has large has
a successful track record and running large complex organizations to
really drive out those benefits. And I think, based on
what I've seen now, piece just not up to the test.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Good guy, patriot, you know, a hero.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
I'll give them all that, but there's a difference between
all that and being capable of running a large, the
most complex and I believe consequential organization in the world.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Do you guys think that he survives the term?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Heyke Seth, Yeah, well, I mean, the chances of any
of them lasting all four years just statistically is fairly low.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
When this guy, y'all got to keep in mind and
President's first term, he had more sects than spinal tab
had drummers.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I lost track at the end, but he's probably five.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right, it was five.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
We asked you what's on the to do list between
now and when you leave office? Have you thought much
about what comes after you leave office?
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Well, one thing I'm going to do is take control
over my calendar for the first time in about twenty years.
That those socks that I was showing you were my
three grandchildren, and I already spend a lot of time
with them, probably more than just about any member that
has grandchildren, because they're they, my wife, my family are
top priority. And then I'll get into business. You know,
I've been working since I was twelve years old. I
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got a worker's permit when I was twelve, paid into
Social Security thirty three dollars back in nineteen seventy three.
I don't plan on stepping away for that from some time.
I'll be sixty five at the end of this month.
I got a few more laps around the track, and
we'll figure that out after. I try to do everything
I can to harden this president's legacy. Is one of
the most successful presidents in modern history. Well, it's well
(45:15):
within our reach as long as we work together to
that end.
Speaker 6 (45:19):
Now, Mick, you worked as a very close advisor to
the president one time.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yes, ye, at one.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
Point, so as he said that there are people around
him right now who could tarnish his legacy.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
We have just a few seconds left.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
But who do you think is good at getting the
president's ear and helping maintain a legacy that is positive
and that people see as we look back at the
history of his presidenc see as positive.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bunch of good people in the White House.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
There's not a lot of good people.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Kevin Hassett was just on TV after me on CNBC
this morning. Kim's one of my favorite people. It runs.
He's the National Economic Advisor, really really talented people. I
become a big fan of Scott Bessant in the last
couple of weeks but I've not been shy on this
program on television, ending on a street corner yelling at
people that I think people like you know, Peter Navarro
are a real problem, big problem that they that they're
(46:07):
just they are. It's hard to describe it.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
By the way, they're not there for the right race.
It's exactly, you can be nice, but I could even
not be nice. They couldn't get out there for the
right race.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
They could not get a job. But for the job
I have not nothing the singularly unemployed. Yeah, I mean, basically,
this is the guy who got caught, you know, with
using an imaginary friend in some of his academic works.
So and now he's a senior advisor to the president.
He's not the only one. There's some really really good
and talented people out there, uh, in the White House
working for him. But then there's why Trump seems to
(46:37):
want to have the very best in the world and
the very worst at the same time. I have no idea,
but the analogy I say is, look, we began the
first term with the president United States being advised by
the president of Goldman Sachs, and we ended the first
term with a president being advised by a guy who
sells pillows at night on Fox News. Okay, that that
that has been the arc of that of that administration,
(46:58):
and he needs to be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Well, look, we've managed to get Mick to come in
on a regular basis with us on Mondays. We'd love
to have you in a similar situation, maybe after everything
calms down, after you leave office. But you always have
a have a line in to talk to us, and
we appreciate the accessibility.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Thanks, This has been fun.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
We have mulvany Mondays. We could have tell us Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Look at that. There you go, Well, we'll see you tomorrow. Senator,
Why did you.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Get too crazy on me out there? That's the name
of a game. Well, listen while you're still coming we
get that bull right together.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Sure, you've been listening to Good Morning BT here us
live weekday mornings six to ten on WBT AM and
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Speaker 6 (47:40):
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Or wherever you get good podcasts.
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