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September 4, 2025 • 14 mins

Bo and Beth welcome Bill Graham to share his thoughts on the Epstein files case after survivors and lawmakers held a press conference yesterday on Capitol Hill. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is good Morning Beatty with both Hudson and Beth
Trout back boos.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't lose, I wit, I wit Holayer. That's my jomp.
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Well.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Bill Graham knows it's a lot more we can do together.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I can't do it, you can't do it alone, but
together we can do it.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Always a good day when we can bring on our
longtime legal analyst from the law offices of Wallace and Graham.
Bill Graham is back with us on a Thursday morning.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Hi Bill, good morning.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
How's everybody.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
We have missed you. We are great. We hope you are.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I hope your indigestion is better.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
Well, it is because I have Zelman's minty mouth and
you can't.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Eat like you're at Concord High.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
And I know.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well we have a lot of headlines to get to.
Yesterday was an interesting day in Washington. Some survivors Epstein
survivers spoke publicly for the first time at an event
on Capitol Hill to support a bill to release files.
I'm going to play a bit of a montage of
audio of some of those who spoke yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:10):
You have so much influence and power in this situation.
Please use that influence and power to help us.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Please President Trump, pass this bill and help us make
us feel like our voices are finally being heard.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
This is not just my story. It is about every
survivor who carries invisible scars. It's about the way we
live with daily. It is about the family's broken and
the future stolen. So I ask you, President Trump and
members of Congress, why do we continue to cover up
sexual abuse and assault? Who are we covering for? Let

(01:48):
the public know the truth.

Speaker 8 (01:50):
Mister President Donald J. Trump, I am a registered Republican.
Not that that matters because this is not political. However,
I cordially invite you to the Capitol to meet me
in person, so seeing this is not a hoax. We
are real human beings.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
So this was a bipartisan group of legislators and their
victims pushed that are pushing to pass the Epstein Files
Transparency Act. And that's a bill that would force Attorney
General Pambondi to publish all unclassified information about the Epstein case. So, Bill,
you're seeing this unfold yesterday, and I have some more

(02:23):
audio here in a second, but I just want to
get your take at a base level as to where
we are with this story.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, So just remind all the listeners good to talk
to you again, Bo, that Congress went into recess a
little early because Speaker Johnson was having trouble keeping the
caucus corralled on this issue. We've got Marjorie Taylor Green
and Tom Massey who are sort of leading the charge.
They are two votes short, I believe, of being able

(02:52):
to have the sufficient number to get this thing move forward. Now,
what's going to happen here, I predict is you're going
to run into a continued pressure, continued drum beat by
those on the right, the podcasters, the influencers on the
political side, and the like Joe Robins of the world,

(03:14):
if you like. So, there's the pressure is going to
continue to be applied on the administration to release whatever
is left that the courts will allow them to release
so as to protect those who we may not know
about at this stage of the game. And when that pressure,
if they don't get the votes. Just to look on

(03:37):
the horizon for all your listeners, the government shutdown issue
looms on the horizon. Now, if these two issues come together,
it's going to be a political, big time infight in
the Republican Party between those folks that are closest to
the president and those folks that think that there's a

(03:58):
deep state conspiracy here, and they're going to continue to
get louder and louder and louder. So this issue is
not going away, despite the fact that the President would
wish it would go away.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
One of the conversations that keeps coming up is they
not only want the rest of the files released, which
some thirty three thousand pages were released to Congress. Congress
is now saying that a lot of that was already
public knowledge, but a lot of people want to see
what they say as a client list.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Now.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Pam Bondi a few months ago, it was the early
part of July, said that there is no client list.
But yesterday on Capitol Hill, one of the women who
says that they were victimized by Jeffrey Epstein, she said, hey, look,
we can put together a client list. Here's that sound.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Transparracy as Justice released the files and the secrecy and
stand with us and declaring that no one, no billionaires,
no politicians, not world leaders, is above the law. And
let me announce now several of us Epstein survivors have

(05:08):
been discussing creating our own list of names. We know
the names many of us were abused by them. Now,
together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we

(05:29):
all know we're regularly in the Epstein world, and it
will be done by survivors and for survivors. No one
else is involved. Stay tuned for more details on that,
because history is washing and so are the women who
will come after us.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Thank you. So here's my question, Bill, As they say
that they will put together a list, we know that
Attorney Todd Blair sat down and had a conversation with
Glene Maxwell, who was convicted of being part of this
human trafficking ring with Epstein, and she said that she
would testify in front of in front of Congress. So

(06:13):
the question is from a legal standpoint, who who who
is better at revealing? Should shouldn't we believe it? Shouldn't
we be believing survivors versus the person who was convicted
of being part of the crime.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, remember, Glene Maxwell is in a detention center federal
I believe, and she's been moved to a minimum security facility,
which I'm not sure that was a good look on
behalf of the administration. But let's go past that and
get to the issue at hand. The notion here that
Glene Maxwell is going to be forthcoming with something that

(06:56):
may be not coloring in the in the presence miracle
in a favorable light. She's bucking for a pardon, and
everybody knows that, and that's already been asked before. So
I'm not sure that her testimony is going to be
that persuasive. Is if what she always talks about is

(07:16):
you know, the President himself and reveals no other information.
Now the rubber and the road are going to come
together if these victims truly come forward, ask that they
be giving a hearing in the house or whatever other form,
and start releasing names. And then that comes back and

(07:37):
forth between those that are the accused and those names
that are being released in the testimony of the victims.
And then you have Glene Maxwell sitting over there in
custody and then she says, well, I can come, you know,
come testify and clear all this up.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
She's not going to.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Be a very believable witness at that's at that stage
of the game because she's her testimony is going to
be seen as self serving. She's trying to get out.
Of course, she'd want to try to get out, and
her lawyer's trying to get her out, So her lawyer
is going to say anything that puts his client in
the most favorable light. So that's the dynamic that we're
going to be going forward with. And if you don't

(08:16):
believe the first hand testimony of the victims, and you
want to believe somebody that has got a dog in
the fight of getting out of jail, well then you
know that's where you put your values. But I would
have to say that the compelling evidence is on the
side of the victims.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Here, this is good morning, Beatty. We continue with legal
analyst Bill Graham from the law offices of Wallace and Graham.
We're talking about latest developments in the Epstein case. You
had Capitol Hill yesterday, Epstein survivors speaking out. You also

(08:52):
had lawmakers. We'll get to one of those lawmakers momentarily,
but just so you know, President Trump was asked about
the gathering of people outside the Capitol. He was meeting
with the president of Poland yesterday, and as is custom
now to take questions about anything and everything once you
finish the official stuff. Here was the question there have been.

Speaker 9 (09:13):
Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein speaking at a press conference on
Capitol Hill. They're calling for these case files, these docums
to release, and Thomas Massey, who is fuck who is
sponsoring at this darted position, should get the House to
vote and release those documents, says he hasn't me you're
implicated in these files, but many of your friends and
donors maybe, And.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
He says that's why the Justice Department is redacting them
in slow walking their release.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
Art he's the Justice Department in protecting any friends or donors, sir.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
It reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation. We
gave him everything over and over again, more and more
and more, and nobody's ever satisfied. From what I understand.
I could check, but from what I understand, thousands of
pag ages of documents have been given. But it's really
a Democrat hoax because they're tried to get people to

(10:06):
talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that
we've had as a nation since I've been president.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, so that's a bit of his reaction, and real
quick here Marjorie Taylor Green was on Real America late
yesterday with Eric Bowling.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
I told the President this morning, I want him to
see I want to see him bring these women into
the Oval Office, and I want him to be the
hero and champion of this issue. And I want him
to fight for these women because I know him to
be a fighter, and when he fights for something, for
an issue, and he fights for people, especially innocent victims

(10:42):
of Jeffrey Epstein, then he beats everybody. And I really
want to see President Trump do that, and I hope
he changes his mind. Today he called it a hoax
while these women were speaking out and they were saying,
we're not a hoax, We're human beings. And I think
I think we need to see see something turn around there.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
And there he can prove.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
He can prove itself by releasing let us decide if.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's so obviously there, Bill, I mean Marjorie Taylor Green
one of the staunchest supporters that we know of of
President Trump in recent years, and she's calling for this.
So uh, as you keep saying this is not this
is not going to go away, But I'm curious as
where you think it's going next.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Oh, I think that the drum beg is going to
continue and they're going to have to eventually release the
files and then we'll have to see, you know, if
there's any there there. But you know, these folks or proverbial, uh,
you know, something with a bone, dog with a bone.
You know, they're they're chewing on it. They're going to
continue to chew on it. And they're gonna they're gonna

(11:52):
have to release the This issues not going away, and
I know the White House wants it to go away,
and you know they've tried to throw out some distract actions.
President will continue to do that. He wants it to
go away. I know he thinks it's a hoax, but
no one else does. Uh, So we'll have to say.
But you know, if this issue gets woven into government

(12:14):
shutdown issues, we're going to face some you know, political
infighting that we hadn't seen before. So be on the
look for that.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
Well, while we have you on the line, I want
to switch gears to some other legal headlines that i'd
love to get your take on. A judge just ruled
that Donald Trump's tariffs may be unlawful. And now the
Trump administration and Donald Trump himself is saying that they
want the Supreme Court to expedite a ruling on these

(12:46):
tariffs because it could have a huge impact on our
economy and certainly on global economy. Talk talk us through
this issue and this the ruling initially that the tariffs
are unlawful, and then what we might see happen.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, so let's go back and do a little bit
of constitutional law. One oh one. Tariffs are essentially a tax.
We know that the taxing authority uh is with the Congress,
not with the executive branch. The executive branch executes the
taxes that Congress approves. And so because the tariff did

(13:27):
not originate in the House of Representative where it should
be is according to the Constitution, specifically the Ways and
Means Committee, and then percoles, you know, percolates on up
the chain of command. The judge said, hey, this didn't
come from anything from the congressional side of the House.
This came from the White House and declaring some you know,

(13:50):
artificial liberation day, and we're going to tear if for
all these people, and if they don't get in line,
we're going to tear if someone that's that's a congressional function. Okay,
that's black letter law on the Constitution. So that was
generally the basis for the tariff ruling. Now it's going
to go to Supreme Court, and I can't imagine the

(14:10):
Supreme Court is going to rule differently than the lower
court ruled here. There may be some descending opinions and
picking away at the edges, but I can't imagine. If
the President wants the Supreme Court to take a look
at it, I'm sure they will, and I'm sure they
will rule in consistent with what the lower courts have
already ruled.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Bill.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
The problem is now, the problem is we've collected all
these hundreds of billions of dollars. We're going to have
to refund that money back to those that were charged,
so that'll be another issue.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
We appreciate the time. We're up against the clock, as
you know, but thanks for the time this morning. We'll
talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Take care of that indigestion.
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