December 8, 2025 • 30 mins
Mick Mulvaney joins Bo and Beth to share his thoughts on the scrutiny Secretary Pete Hegseth is facing after the boat strikes in Venezuela and another light rail stabbing over the weekend in Charlotte.
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you're in high demand all across the world, we get
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again today from the Southernmost Bureau, Key West, Florida. The
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know he used to be the White House Chief of Staff.
(00:53):
Former South Carolina Congressman White House Budget Director, the Mick
mulvaney has returned to the show. Mick mulvaney Morning.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Good morning. It's better than better than being in Oslo, Norway,
which is where I think it was last week.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh that explains it.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Wow, this time of year too, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, no one invites me to Oslo in June. I've
been I think three times now in Norway and it's
always been in November.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
How do you even know what day or time it is?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I don't you? Don't you just I know it's Monday,
bo because I talk to you on as many Mondays
as I can. It's sort of how I start the week.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, it's been a few weeks. This might be the
longest we've gone without talking to you in a while.
And so you know what happens in Washington when when
we don't talk to you, everything just goes nuts. And
I don't even know where to begin here. But before
I begin, I do have something related to the president
that relates to Charlotte. But since you have been away,
what has been the biggest thing that you've been watching?
(01:48):
Even though you haven't been here the whole time, I've been.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Still watching the reaction to the midterms, Not the midterms,
there's off year elections that we had and what of
I guess it's a month ago now that anybody who's
serious about the business knows that was not a good
thing for Republicans. You can you can you know, yes,
the purpose of elections is to win, and they won,
and that that's great, but the margins will frighten anybody
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who is who's actually legitimately serious about about this business,
and it is. It's You're starting to hear the type
of things that you hear when parties are afraid of
losing power. You hear about people retiring Marjorie Taylor Green,
you be about in fighting. You know, Nancy Mace is
now saying that, you know, Michael Johnson's a terrible Speaker
of the House, et cetera, et cetera. You're hearing more
(02:36):
and more rumors about people losing cabinet positions. This is
what happens when people are worried about the outcome of
the next election. So that's really I mean, there's a
thousand things going on, as you mentioned, but that's the
thing that I sort of watched the closest because to me,
it's the most interesting because I've been I've been on
all sides of that, right, I've been in the House,
in the executive branch. So that's what I've been watching
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more than anything.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Speaking of that, one of the biggest rumors as far
as cabinet members go, there's a rumor going around that
President Trump is thinking about replacing Christy Nome with Glenn Youngkin.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, and that's the one I don't get. Okay, the
Hegseth thing made some sense to me. I don't know
if I agree with it or not. None of my
business if I agree, but I understood it. The Cash
for Tel rumors, I understand why because Donald Trump doesn't
like bad headlines, and heg Seth has been, you know,
the sort of the reason behind some bad headlines, and
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Trump really doesn't like that. The same with Cash Fortel.
You know, rumors now that he's using his security detail
to help his girlfriend's drunk friends or stuff like that.
I have no idea, but so it fits a pattern.
Trump doesn't like bad news. They're providing bad news. It
makes sense that you talk about making a change there.
Christy Nolan was the exact opposite. I think as cruel
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as many of us think that it is the new
policies on immigration, and so I think that Christy has
delivered exactly what the administration has asked under some really
tough circumstances. So I'm not sure why she's getting the
focus the chatter. And you know, I put about twelve
percent confidence in this is about Corey Lewandowski, who I know,
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and the relationship between the two of them. I don't
put I put about twelve percent of value on that
because it's not it doesn't generate a bunch of bad headlines.
She's doing a good job, So I'm not sure how
she ended up at the top of the list of
possible changes here.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
As we're going to Christmas, let me rewind you mentioned
Pete Hegseth, and he has been in the headlines for
the last couple of weeks, dating back to this Narco
boat that was blasted out of the water and then
the apparent directive to shoot it up again and the
survivors or whatever they were, what they saw. A lot
of it centers around this video that we haven't seen
(04:53):
in full yet. Lucas Tomlinson was talking to Pete hegsaths
Hegseth over the weekend. This was a that the Reagan
National Defense Forum.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
After Admiral Bradley's meetings on Capitol Hill with the Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs, President Trump said he would have
no problem that the full video of the strike is released.
When can we see that video? When will you release.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
We're reviewing it right now to make sure sources, methods.
I mean, it's an ongoing operation TTPs. We've got operators
out there doing this right now. So whatever we were
to decide to release, we'd have to be.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Very responsible about. So we're reviewing that right now. Did you,
at any time say that everybody on board should be killed?
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Is anybody here from the Washington Post? I don't know
where you get your sources, but they suck.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Not anybody that's been in the situation room where's or
there's been in the war room there the Secretary's office.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, you don't walk in and say kill. It's just
patently ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
It's meant to create a cartoon of me and the
decisions that we make and how we make them.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
The Chairman and Admiral Bradley and everybody shot it down
immediately because anybody that knows that's not how things go.
There's a very defined process.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So Pete heggsath that's him. Over the weekend, he also
sat beside President Trump in that cabinet meeting last week.
You got skewered on SNL on Friday. On Saturday night.
So this has been really kind of the dominant story
out of the Trump cabinet from the last week. What
do you make of the standing of Pete Hegseth right now?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, a couple of real quick things, that a bigger topic.
I read the same thing about how the people were
pointing out that Pete Hexseth sat next to the president
and it was this a sign that that Trump had
had confidence in him, Pete maybe was running out of
confidence with him, et cetera. It's just it's bizarre to me.
That's where you sit. This is how the cabinet room works. Okay,
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the big four. The vice president sits straight across from
the president at every cabinet meeting, and then the big
four to their left and the right, and that's the
Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the US Attorney General,
and I forgot the other one, but the Treasury secretary.
Those are the big four and they in the same
chairs every single time. So I saw all this commentary about,
(07:02):
oh my goodness, what does it mean that he's the
he sets sat next to the president. He sat next
the presidentcau that's where he's supposed to sit. But anyway, look,
I try to cut through a lot of the noise.
I thought Pete did a nice job in that in
that press conference. Of course, he doesn't come across as
the as the cartoon character that you see in the
press and so forth. He has had some some high
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high profile missteps and so forth, but he's not the
dithering idiot that I think the media wants to try
and make him out to be. So what do you
try and look for? Then, as you trying to make
sense of this and cut through the haze, watch the Republicans. Well,
if the Republicans in the House and the Senate, Roger
Wicker is not a nut job. Roger Wickers are very
serious Republican center and he's had a Foreign affairs in
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the Senate, and he's he's pro Trump, but he's not
you know, Marjorie Taylor Green crazy. So he's a serious person.
And if Roger is going to start asking serious questions,
that's the that's the folks you look to mke Turner
the same house, you know, not he's pro Trump, but
he's not. He's not ultra maga. So when folks like
that start asking questions, that's the That's the thing that
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I think merit's watching because they're not politically motivated. They're
not you know, they're not about to make Trump look bad.
They're actually interested in what's what's happening. So I will
continue to watch the hearings in both the House and
the Senate and see if decent information comes out, because
as Pete said, you know, you can't really you can't
put much weight these days in New York Times, in
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Washington Post. That's a shame, but that's the way the
world is.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
If it does turn out that they believe that this
double tap strike was not technically legal, what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well if you soon, for sake of this discussion, that
Trump doesn't issue partons, and that's a larger discussion from
another day. I'm starting to worry a great deal about
blanket pardons. I worried about them under Biden, and I'm
starting worry about them more with with Trump. But if
he if he doesn't issue a pardon, then there there
could be charges of some fashion. I would this Department
of Justice brain charges against against the sitting Secretary of Defense. No,
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but the next one might. So no, it's it's it's
a serious deal. But again, it's not it's so serious
that you can't jump to any sorts of conclusions. This is,
this is you know, this is going to be slow,
it's going to be hopefully it will be thorough. If
there's anything there working it off. If Roger Wicker comes
back center Wicker from Mississippi comes back and said, look,
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I looked at the files, I saw the films. I
don't think there's anything here that's as good of indicator.
I think as you can get as where this is going.
Watch watch those serious Republicans in the House and the
Senate and see what kind of body language they're using,
what kind of verbiage they're using. And I think that's
as good of insight as you're going to get on
this situation.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This is Good Morning Beat with both Hubson and Beth
Troutmack nine twenty two on News Talk eleven ten WBT,
both Thompson and Beth Troutman. Nick mulvaney is on the
line as he is most Mondays, and the weather's a
lot better where he is than where I am, and
I don't have to be looking out of his window
to know that it's kind of a raw, rainy, wet
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morning here in Charlotte. How's the weather where you are?
Just so we do know the day in the guest
the day? What what did you say? He?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh, are you there?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, Sonny, you guys clicked out there for a second.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, sorry, Mick is in sunny South Florida right now
and we're not. So that's all you really need to know.
But I want to get I do want to get
to a story over the weekend that well, it's not
every day that President Trump posts a message directly about Charlotte.
I think most people now know the story. A suspect
has been charged in a Friday night stabbing on a
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light rail train here in Charlotte. The suspect charged with
five counts of including attempted first degree murder, assault with
a deadly weapon, serious injury, and carrying a concealed weapon.
According to CMPD, the male victim was found with a
stab wound just before five pm near North Brevard Street
and East twenty second Street, where the light rail train
appeared to have stopped between stations. Of course, this is
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happening in addition to what happened back in August where
Arena Zarutzka was murdered on the light rail train, and
we know all that has come from that story, even
a new law here in North Carolina that was just
signed into effect about a week ago. President Trump over
the weekend posts this on truth social another stabbing by
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an illegal migrant in Charlotte, North Carolina. What's going on
in Charlotte? Democrats are destroying it like everything else, Peace
by piece. President Donald J. Trump, Mick, what are your
thoughts on this from what you know so far?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah? Have we determined it is the person in the
country illegally. I've never been able to figure if that's
the case. Yeah, Lioten, this is going to be If
you want to know why the administration is taking the
dramatic steps that they are, is this this stuff happens?
And I got to ask the other day TV, you
know why is Trump targeting Democrat run cities? Like every
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city is Democrat run? I can't I think there might
be one, maybe one in Texas given if it's if
it's Houston or Dallas, I can't remember, but all the
cities are run by Democrats, all your major I think
it's the top one hundred cities or something like that.
So No, this is going to continue to be a
centerpiece of the Trump campaign. People say, well, he's only
doing this to detract, you know, to draw attention away
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from the economy. No, you know, when people don't feel
safe taking public transportation and it appears that the local
government isn't doing anything about it, doing anything to stop it,
then you should expect that the federal government to step
into try and do stuff. So, no, this it doesn't
surprise me. The response the presidents given to a certain
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extent of surprise, this has sort of muted as it
has been. You could understand what he might take more
drastic circumstan action under the circumstances.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
We've been talking about the story a great deal on
the show this morning, a special and Mark's Newscast, and
we've been getting texts from some listeners who were wondering
how this person was not targeted by ICE while they
were here during Operation Charlotte's Web that we just and
some of that, I guess reports are saying is still
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ongoing here in Charlotte, that we've had Ice here and
some people certainly didn't support that, but the ones who
did support it are wondering how this guy was still
here even though he had been deported. According to reports
two different times.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that. I
don't know how the the the ice programs are implemented.
You know. The easy answer was if you had the
sort of guess was, well, you know, there's so many
of them, couldn' get them all out at one time.
They're still there. Clearly they think there's still more people
that they need to focus on. I'm not sure if
that's the that's a fair question to ask, but it's
that it's the second or third question. The first question
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is why why wasn't this this this guy dealt with beforehand?
You know, do you have to it? Is what Charlotte's
telling is is the city government telling you, well, we
we we can't do it. So, you know, we don't
really want the servogument here. But if they're here, goodness gracious,
they need to do a better job. That that's that's
a complete, you know, abrogation of your duty as an
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elected official. So I mean, if folks aren't calling for
the resignation of somebody in Charlotte, North Carolina, then then
then something is something is clearly wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well, the city council meeting tonight should be interesting. That
is for sure. Mayor Lyles came out with a statement
over the weekend. The the interim director of Katz did
as well. And we'll find out more about this. But
one thing is for sure, Mick. And this, of course,
with the backdrop of the UH, the the border agents
leaving here about a week and a half ago, there's
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been a big question about whether they will come back.
There's been questioned about where where President Trump will sort
of set his sites next in this idea of coming
in and trying to apprehend illegals. And it looks like
Charlotte might have just become the next uh, the next
place to return on the on the list.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If that happens, could could you blame him? I mean,
you know, I got two kids that live in downtown Charlotte.
I'm sitting here thinking now, is it's safe for them
to go on the light rail? And that's that's the
conversation coups that that started months ago when that woman
got stabbed to death. But i mean, listen for we
want shame on a new for me twice and I'm
not sure why any anybody would get on the train. Maybe,
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of course this goes back good. It's gracious, we can
go back and have a conversation by the train going
back what twenty years? Bo, I think I need to
talk about this one. I was in local real estate development,
but that's that's neither here or there. Look, Charlott's on
the map for all the wrong reasons, and we got
to figure out a way to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
This is Good Morning beat Back then at nine thirty
seven on WBT this Monday, December eighth, Bo Thompson, Beth
Troutman with you, Mick mulvaney on the line from the
Southernmost Bureau, Key West. We get him wherever he is
because we have so many things to talk to him about.
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So again, thanks so much for being with us. Happy
Holidays to you and your family, and Mery Christmas everybody.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yes, it's very Christmasy down here in Key West, as
you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Hey, I can only imagine. I can only imagine until
I'm invited. Ah see what I did. Let's talk about
Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Now that we're FM, now the FM, I think we'll
be able to do the show from here.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Hey, hey, now there is a show.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I can get behind.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Your words, your words and are going to be prophetic.
I can feel it.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So, speaking of words, last night on sixty Minutes, Marjorie
Taylor Green sitting down with Leslie Stall, first time she's
done an extensive interview since she made her big announcement
that she is quitting Congress.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So I'm going to.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Ask you straight out, did you surrender? Did Donald Trump
run you out of town?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not at all. Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is
I said in my statement, I will be no one's
battered wife, and I'm in it and I won't allow
the system to abuse me anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You really feel abused.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
He did come after you pretty hard. He called you
a lunatic. I'm quoting.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He said all she does is.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Complain, complain, complain in caps, and then he called you
a trader.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So he hit you back too.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes, he did this in the same time span where
President Trump brought in the al Qaeda leader that was
wanted by the US government who is now the president
of Syria. Then within a week he brought in the
Crown Prince NBS who murdered an American journalist, and then
he brought in the newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of
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New York. That was the time span that he called
me a trader.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
You decided not to stay and fight. You decided to.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Give in after a President Trump called me a trader.
I got a pipe bomb threat on my house and
then I got several direct death threats on my son,
on your son, on my son.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
You say the President put your life in danger. You
blame him, You say he fueled a hot bed of
threats against me, and that you blame him for the
threats against your son.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
The subject line for the direct death threats on my
son was his words, Marjorie Trader Green, those are death
threats you directly fueled by President Trump. And I told him,
I told jd Vance, I told them all sent those
directly to them. And again response jd Vance replied back
to me, we'll look into it. I got response back
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from President Trump that I will keep private. But it
wasn't very nice.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Give us a hint of what the President said.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It was extremely unkind.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, So that's a bit of her explanation as to
why she came to this decision. Did you see this
last night? Have you been watching this back and forth?
And what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
No, I'd rather stab myself and the eye with a
fork and watch Marjorie Taylor Green on television. The look
I'm hoping her fifteen minutes is about finished. You know,
now that she's anti Trump, the media loves her. But
you know, back before when she was pitching QAnon theories
and talking, I think she's the one talking about Jewish
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space lasers controlling our minds or something like that. You know, look,
this is this is who we elect these days. This
is this is by the way, this is who people
who are running the country. So I'm all for reform,
I'm all for seeing the air of your ways, and
I'm all for personal growth. So if this is legitimate
and she's having that, God bless her, I think that's
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absolutely wonderful. I don't buy it for a second. She's
doing this because she's an absolute addict when it comes
to media, and she wants to be famous, and she's
could try to run for something else, so, you know,
and CBS is playing right into it. I don't know
what party she runs at. I don't know what, but
but I don't think it makes it difference these days.
So look, it's entertainment, it's not news. She's not news. Worthy,
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but it's you know, you sort of like watch this
like you'll watch a train wreck. You don't want to
watch it, but you can't turn away.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
What did you make of the content of that answer
that we just played, You know that that the President
called her a trader, and then it sounded like what
she was implying by who he has invited to the
White House, it sounded like she was implying that she
believes he is.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I don't know about that. I think there's the question
is how can I be a trader when I've done this, this, this,
and this, But you still bring these other folks in
here who are clearly, at least in the past, have
have either been enemies of the United States or have
done things against the interests of the United States. I
think that's a that's a fair discussion to have. But
this is a This is a person, though best for me,
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who has zero credibility, zero, none, whatsoever. I'm not sure
I believe anything that she says. I'm not sure I
believe her when she says she's getting the death threats?
Could she sure? And I hope she's not. I'm not
sure I believe her when she says that Donald Trump
sent her a personal message, et cetera, et cetera. This
is it's it's it is a it'd be a great
debate to have. Okay, if the person who was being
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attacked by Donald Trump was someone who was reasonable. But
this is this is this is not again. This go
back to the study how Marjorie Taylor Green ended up
on the national stage in the first place, and it
wasn't anything that anybody you know should be proud of.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, So to that point, there was a moment of
the conversation last night where Leslie Stall went back to
some things that Marjorie Taylor Green has said in the past,
and then reflecting on things she said in recent weeks.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Green has built her reputation on feisty combat and inflammatory insults,
like calling President Joe Biden a liar during the twenty
twenty three State of the Union. It's been five years
of almost constant drama.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I think your fake eyes are messing up.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
With her, adding fuel to the nation's loss of civility.
Then three weeks ago, she went on CNN with a
surprise a Maya culpook and.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I would like to say, humbly, I'm sorry for taking
part in the toxic politics, but it became.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Clear to us that she hasn't entirely lost her appetite
for combat.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's the most toxic political culture and it's not helping
the America.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But you contributed to that.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
You you you were out there pounding insulting people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Leslie, you've contributed to it as well with your own Yes,
your accusatory, just like you did just then.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I know you're accusing me, but I'm smart, amazing me,
I am accusing.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We don't have to accuse one another.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I want you to respond to what you have done
in terms of insulting people, yelling at people, and then saying.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I'd like for you to respond for that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You can respond, don and so you do, and the
way you question and you are you're accusing me right now.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I know that you didn't really want to listen to
more of that interview, but it sort of played into
what you were talking about, so I thought it was
appropriate to the conversation.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, you know, look, I feel I feel sort of
the same way about MTG as I do about Jake Tapper.
You know, Jake from CNN wrote this book, and you
know he's pushing the book was absolutely just hawking the
book anywhere he could about six months ago about the
Biden years, but about oh my goodness, I cannot believe
can you believe it that the media didn't cover Joe
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Biden's mental decline when he was the one doing exactly that,
And then all of a sudden, he wants you to
think that he's, you know, a savior because he's the one,
you know, writing a book about it. And Marjorie Taylor
Green sitting here talking about the toxicity of the American
American political system is like Jake Tapper saying, you know, look,
I can't believe we miss Biden. These people are just
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addicted to They're addicted to the media. And I was
a little disappointed that sixty minutes would would would sort
of give a platform here, But again, they're interested in
ratings and so forth. I get it. Look, all of
these are fair discussions. The toxicity, we talk about it
every single week in Washington is real. That the threat
of populism is real, the threats of violence against people
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is real, and it's horrible. This is not the right
person to be to be to be having that discussion
with She's not a thought leader on anything. And I'm
just surprised, not surprised, disappointed that the media is giving
her that the avenue that they will just now because
she's anti Trump. You know, I've seen that again and again.
The media hated John McCain until he was anti Trump.
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Then he died and they give a national funeral. So
there's a long list of you want to be famous
in the media, come out against Donald Trump, and they will,
they will beat a path to your door.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
On that note, we will move on to a different topic.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I really feel about this.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hey, it's been so long since we talked to you.
We try to keep as much of the headlines because
quite frankly, we don't make our final old judgment on
it until we hear what you have to say, so
it has to go through you. Right, This is good morning,
beat final stretch here on a Monday. What a Monday.
(25:20):
It has been many Mondays to come. Nine fifty three
Bowen Beth here, Mick mulvaney joins us. One more segment
here and a few more things to get to.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
One of the latest stories to make headlines the Supreme
Court potentially giving the President of the United States more power.
This in the case of fire democratic FTC commissioner. Now,
the Court is poised to potentially strip long standing job
protections for top agency officials and take that away from
Congress and potentially give that power to the President of
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the United States. Having been a member of Congress, but
also have having been the former White House Chief of Staff,
how do you feel about this potential decision and do
you believe, as some of the media would suggest, that
the Supreme Court is going to favor President Trump.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You get to that in a second. I just got
a text margin We're going to go have breakfast after this,
so she's coming down anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Hey, I was trying to move along the conversation here.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Look that this is, this is this is a fascinating topic.
This deals with independent agencies. Okay, and this is you
could do this for You could do hours and hours
on this. Since that courts have taken this up, Conservatives
have looked at it for decades. Courts have looked at
it hundreds of times, dozens of times, and so forth.
This is about the appropriate role of the executive branch
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and the most specifically the present United States. These will
be what we call these independent agencies. The FCC is
one of those. And the very short version of the
argument the conservatives make is, go look at the content Institution,
and we know what Congress is, we know what the
courts are, we know what the president is, but there's
no independent agencies there, and that these are functions that
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should be performed by the executive, not by an independent agency.
And it ties into a wonderful sort of larger discussion
about the rise of populism and why populism is here
and why people think like their government is not accountable
to them. I do have familiarity with this because I
ran an independent agency at the CFPB, and what it
needs to tell people is, look, if you don't like
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what I'm doing, tough, I don't answer to you. I
don't answer to anybody. President can't fire me, Congress can't
doesn't fund me. I could do whatever I want to
over here. And people don't like that, and they're right
not to like that. So look, I get that it's
going to be pitched as a presidential authority case, and
it is really a presidential authority case. But this isn't
the same thing as Donald Trump. Does Donald Trump say
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abuse his emergency powers. That's part of the tariff case.
This is different. It goes back all the way to
think called Humphrey's Executive and for the lawyers listening, they
know exactly what that is back in the nineteen twenties.
This is a long gooing fight and I think a
lot of our Conservatis are excited about having this debate.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
If the president were given the power, and this would
not just and to be very clear, it would not
just impact President Trump but future presidents as well, whether
Democrats or Republicans. Does it impact the ability to influence
I guess trade and media the way that a president
would would want to by granting approvals of big mergers
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and you know, giving Wall Street favors in does it
allow for more corruption? And I'm not just saying, like
again that not just this presidency. I'm talking all presidencies
from here on out.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's an absolutely fair question, and I know how it's
going to be pitched. But as the lawyer and me
is sitting there going wow, that's right. I guess you
get the president all this authority, maybe he can just
give stuff to his friends and not give it to
his enemies. But that's always been against the law, and
there's always then the ability to go to the courts
again they happened to be in the Constitution and say, look,
this person or this agency, this executive this power is
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acting capriciously and arbitrarily. You can't do that because it
aviolates your due process and so forth. So look, there
are protections, there's no question about it. But this is
different because the executive agency argument is different. It's also
called the unitary executive. It's different than this issue about
whether or not Trump was right to create to declare
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a national emergency so that he could put tariffs on
must and such and doust and such. I recognize the
fact it's going to get blended in because it's these
are the subtleties of administrative law, but it's not exacutly
the same thing. And as one as someone who is
concerned about overreach of executive and I absolutely am. This
is one of those places where I sided with the executive.
I ran an executive agency. I had seventeen hundred people
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working for me, and I was only allowed to hire
and fire seven of them. That's not right for Republican
or Democrat president. That's not right when you elect somebody
Republican or Democrat, you expect them to be able to
put in the initiatives the agendas that they ran on,
and executive agencies oftentimes frustrate that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So back to Marjorie Taylor grit. That'll wrap it. We
will talk to you soon. Mick Malvaney, it's been good
catching up. If you have a good week. Thank you
all there is from the Key West Bureau. It has
been a day. We need to go to a show
from down at this two we doo.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
I'd love to see you just sonning yourself on a
little beach there.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're going a fat way al on the beach. Huh.
I can see it now in my head. It's breathtaking.
All right, Thanks to all, Thanks to all of Charlotte.
We're very excited about Thursday one o seven point nine WBT.
Good talk, Beth, good talk, good match. Why did you
get so crazy on me?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I tip that's the name of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well this is while you're still coming. Can we get
that pull right together?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:58):
Sure,
It's time for a little high lights house keeper. This
is a place.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Let's go From's Talkie leven Ted at ninety nine three doublet.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bet common sense. This is your wake up cole get
your mother.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is good morning beat with poach, humpson and bed trout.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
But this place is a mountain of goodness and a
mixed up work.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doing my best to get back to you.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Nothing I'd rather do.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Look for me Sunday, going to be there. Honey's something
special choice us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, you've got to remember how to do this intro.
It has been a little while, but you know, when
you're in high demand all across the world, we get
you when we can get you. And we've got him
again today from the Southernmost Bureau, Key West, Florida. The
one and only you see him on News Nation. You
know he used to be the White House Chief of Staff.
(00:53):
Former South Carolina Congressman White House Budget Director, the Mick
mulvaney has returned to the show. Mick mulvaney Morning.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Good morning. It's better than better than being in Oslo, Norway,
which is where I think it was last week.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh that explains it.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Wow, this time of year too, that's tough.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, no one invites me to Oslo in June. I've
been I think three times now in Norway and it's
always been in November.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
How do you even know what day or time it is?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I don't you? Don't you just I know it's Monday,
bo because I talk to you on as many Mondays
as I can. It's sort of how I start the week.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, it's been a few weeks. This might be the
longest we've gone without talking to you in a while.
And so you know what happens in Washington when when
we don't talk to you, everything just goes nuts. And
I don't even know where to begin here. But before
I begin, I do have something related to the president
that relates to Charlotte. But since you have been away,
what has been the biggest thing that you've been watching?
(01:48):
Even though you haven't been here the whole time, I've been.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Still watching the reaction to the midterms, Not the midterms,
there's off year elections that we had and what of
I guess it's a month ago now that anybody who's
serious about the business knows that was not a good
thing for Republicans. You can you can you know, yes,
the purpose of elections is to win, and they won,
and that that's great, but the margins will frighten anybody
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who is who's actually legitimately serious about about this business,
and it is. It's You're starting to hear the type
of things that you hear when parties are afraid of
losing power. You hear about people retiring Marjorie Taylor Green,
you be about in fighting. You know, Nancy Mace is
now saying that, you know, Michael Johnson's a terrible Speaker
of the House, et cetera, et cetera. You're hearing more
(02:36):
and more rumors about people losing cabinet positions. This is
what happens when people are worried about the outcome of
the next election. So that's really I mean, there's a
thousand things going on, as you mentioned, but that's the
thing that I sort of watched the closest because to me,
it's the most interesting because I've been I've been on
all sides of that, right, I've been in the House,
in the executive branch. So that's what I've been watching
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more than anything.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Speaking of that, one of the biggest rumors as far
as cabinet members go, there's a rumor going around that
President Trump is thinking about replacing Christy Nome with Glenn Youngkin.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, and that's the one I don't get. Okay, the
Hegseth thing made some sense to me. I don't know
if I agree with it or not. None of my
business if I agree, but I understood it. The Cash
for Tel rumors, I understand why because Donald Trump doesn't
like bad headlines, and heg Seth has been, you know,
the sort of the reason behind some bad headlines, and
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Trump really doesn't like that. The same with Cash Fortel.
You know, rumors now that he's using his security detail
to help his girlfriend's drunk friends or stuff like that.
I have no idea, but so it fits a pattern.
Trump doesn't like bad news. They're providing bad news. It
makes sense that you talk about making a change there.
Christy Nolan was the exact opposite. I think as cruel
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as many of us think that it is the new
policies on immigration, and so I think that Christy has
delivered exactly what the administration has asked under some really
tough circumstances. So I'm not sure why she's getting the
focus the chatter. And you know, I put about twelve
percent confidence in this is about Corey Lewandowski, who I know,
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and the relationship between the two of them. I don't
put I put about twelve percent of value on that
because it's not it doesn't generate a bunch of bad headlines.
She's doing a good job, So I'm not sure how
she ended up at the top of the list of
possible changes here.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
As we're going to Christmas, let me rewind you mentioned
Pete Hegseth, and he has been in the headlines for
the last couple of weeks, dating back to this Narco
boat that was blasted out of the water and then
the apparent directive to shoot it up again and the
survivors or whatever they were, what they saw. A lot
of it centers around this video that we haven't seen
(04:53):
in full yet. Lucas Tomlinson was talking to Pete hegsaths
Hegseth over the weekend. This was a that the Reagan
National Defense Forum.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
After Admiral Bradley's meetings on Capitol Hill with the Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs, President Trump said he would have
no problem that the full video of the strike is released.
When can we see that video? When will you release.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
We're reviewing it right now to make sure sources, methods.
I mean, it's an ongoing operation TTPs. We've got operators
out there doing this right now. So whatever we were
to decide to release, we'd have to be.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Very responsible about. So we're reviewing that right now. Did you,
at any time say that everybody on board should be killed?
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Is anybody here from the Washington Post? I don't know
where you get your sources, but they suck.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Not anybody that's been in the situation room where's or
there's been in the war room there the Secretary's office.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, you don't walk in and say kill. It's just
patently ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
It's meant to create a cartoon of me and the
decisions that we make and how we make them.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
The Chairman and Admiral Bradley and everybody shot it down
immediately because anybody that knows that's not how things go.
There's a very defined process.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So Pete heggsath that's him. Over the weekend, he also
sat beside President Trump in that cabinet meeting last week.
You got skewered on SNL on Friday. On Saturday night.
So this has been really kind of the dominant story
out of the Trump cabinet from the last week. What
do you make of the standing of Pete Hegseth right now?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, a couple of real quick things, that a bigger topic.
I read the same thing about how the people were
pointing out that Pete Hexseth sat next to the president
and it was this a sign that that Trump had
had confidence in him, Pete maybe was running out of
confidence with him, et cetera. It's just it's bizarre to me.
That's where you sit. This is how the cabinet room works. Okay,
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the big four. The vice president sits straight across from
the president at every cabinet meeting, and then the big
four to their left and the right, and that's the
Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the US Attorney General,
and I forgot the other one, but the Treasury secretary.
Those are the big four and they in the same
chairs every single time. So I saw all this commentary about,
(07:02):
oh my goodness, what does it mean that he's the
he sets sat next to the president. He sat next
the presidentcau that's where he's supposed to sit. But anyway, look,
I try to cut through a lot of the noise.
I thought Pete did a nice job in that in
that press conference. Of course, he doesn't come across as
the as the cartoon character that you see in the
press and so forth. He has had some some high
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high profile missteps and so forth, but he's not the
dithering idiot that I think the media wants to try
and make him out to be. So what do you
try and look for? Then, as you trying to make
sense of this and cut through the haze, watch the Republicans. Well,
if the Republicans in the House and the Senate, Roger
Wicker is not a nut job. Roger Wickers are very
serious Republican center and he's had a Foreign affairs in
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the Senate, and he's he's pro Trump, but he's not
you know, Marjorie Taylor Green crazy. So he's a serious person.
And if Roger is going to start asking serious questions,
that's the that's the folks you look to mke Turner
the same house, you know, not he's pro Trump, but
he's not. He's not ultra maga. So when folks like
that start asking questions, that's the That's the thing that
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I think merit's watching because they're not politically motivated. They're
not you know, they're not about to make Trump look bad.
They're actually interested in what's what's happening. So I will
continue to watch the hearings in both the House and
the Senate and see if decent information comes out, because
as Pete said, you know, you can't really you can't
put much weight these days in New York Times, in
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Washington Post. That's a shame, but that's the way the
world is.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
If it does turn out that they believe that this
double tap strike was not technically legal, what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well if you soon, for sake of this discussion, that
Trump doesn't issue partons, and that's a larger discussion from
another day. I'm starting to worry a great deal about
blanket pardons. I worried about them under Biden, and I'm
starting worry about them more with with Trump. But if
he if he doesn't issue a pardon, then there there
could be charges of some fashion. I would this Department
of Justice brain charges against against the sitting Secretary of Defense. No,
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but the next one might. So no, it's it's it's
a serious deal. But again, it's not it's so serious
that you can't jump to any sorts of conclusions. This is,
this is you know, this is going to be slow,
it's going to be hopefully it will be thorough. If
there's anything there working it off. If Roger Wicker comes
back center Wicker from Mississippi comes back and said, look,
(09:27):
I looked at the files, I saw the films. I
don't think there's anything here that's as good of indicator.
I think as you can get as where this is going.
Watch watch those serious Republicans in the House and the
Senate and see what kind of body language they're using,
what kind of verbiage they're using. And I think that's
as good of insight as you're going to get on
this situation.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This is Good Morning Beat with both Hubson and Beth
Troutmack nine twenty two on News Talk eleven ten WBT,
both Thompson and Beth Troutman. Nick mulvaney is on the
line as he is most Mondays, and the weather's a
lot better where he is than where I am, and
I don't have to be looking out of his window
to know that it's kind of a raw, rainy, wet
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morning here in Charlotte. How's the weather where you are?
Just so we do know the day in the guest
the day? What what did you say? He?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh, are you there?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, Sonny, you guys clicked out there for a second.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, sorry, Mick is in sunny South Florida right now
and we're not. So that's all you really need to know.
But I want to get I do want to get
to a story over the weekend that well, it's not
every day that President Trump posts a message directly about Charlotte.
I think most people now know the story. A suspect
has been charged in a Friday night stabbing on a
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light rail train here in Charlotte. The suspect charged with
five counts of including attempted first degree murder, assault with
a deadly weapon, serious injury, and carrying a concealed weapon.
According to CMPD, the male victim was found with a
stab wound just before five pm near North Brevard Street
and East twenty second Street, where the light rail train
appeared to have stopped between stations. Of course, this is
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happening in addition to what happened back in August where
Arena Zarutzka was murdered on the light rail train, and
we know all that has come from that story, even
a new law here in North Carolina that was just
signed into effect about a week ago. President Trump over
the weekend posts this on truth social another stabbing by
(11:30):
an illegal migrant in Charlotte, North Carolina. What's going on
in Charlotte? Democrats are destroying it like everything else, Peace
by piece. President Donald J. Trump, Mick, what are your
thoughts on this from what you know so far?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah? Have we determined it is the person in the
country illegally. I've never been able to figure if that's
the case. Yeah, Lioten, this is going to be If
you want to know why the administration is taking the
dramatic steps that they are, is this this stuff happens?
And I got to ask the other day TV, you
know why is Trump targeting Democrat run cities? Like every
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city is Democrat run? I can't I think there might
be one, maybe one in Texas given if it's if
it's Houston or Dallas, I can't remember, but all the
cities are run by Democrats, all your major I think
it's the top one hundred cities or something like that.
So No, this is going to continue to be a
centerpiece of the Trump campaign. People say, well, he's only
doing this to detract, you know, to draw attention away
(12:27):
from the economy. No, you know, when people don't feel
safe taking public transportation and it appears that the local
government isn't doing anything about it, doing anything to stop it,
then you should expect that the federal government to step
into try and do stuff. So, no, this it doesn't
surprise me. The response the presidents given to a certain
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extent of surprise, this has sort of muted as it
has been. You could understand what he might take more
drastic circumstan action under the circumstances.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
We've been talking about the story a great deal on
the show this morning, a special and Mark's Newscast, and
we've been getting texts from some listeners who were wondering
how this person was not targeted by ICE while they
were here during Operation Charlotte's Web that we just and
some of that, I guess reports are saying is still
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ongoing here in Charlotte, that we've had Ice here and
some people certainly didn't support that, but the ones who
did support it are wondering how this guy was still
here even though he had been deported. According to reports
two different times.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that. I
don't know how the the the ice programs are implemented.
You know. The easy answer was if you had the
sort of guess was, well, you know, there's so many
of them, couldn' get them all out at one time.
They're still there. Clearly they think there's still more people
that they need to focus on. I'm not sure if
that's the that's a fair question to ask, but it's
that it's the second or third question. The first question
(13:52):
is why why wasn't this this this guy dealt with beforehand?
You know, do you have to it? Is what Charlotte's
telling is is the city government telling you, well, we
we we can't do it. So, you know, we don't
really want the servogument here. But if they're here, goodness gracious,
they need to do a better job. That that's that's
a complete, you know, abrogation of your duty as an
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elected official. So I mean, if folks aren't calling for
the resignation of somebody in Charlotte, North Carolina, then then
then something is something is clearly wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well, the city council meeting tonight should be interesting. That
is for sure. Mayor Lyles came out with a statement
over the weekend. The the interim director of Katz did
as well. And we'll find out more about this. But
one thing is for sure, Mick. And this, of course,
with the backdrop of the UH, the the border agents
leaving here about a week and a half ago, there's
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been a big question about whether they will come back.
There's been questioned about where where President Trump will sort
of set his sites next in this idea of coming
in and trying to apprehend illegals. And it looks like
Charlotte might have just become the next uh, the next
place to return on the on the list.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If that happens, could could you blame him? I mean,
you know, I got two kids that live in downtown Charlotte.
I'm sitting here thinking now, is it's safe for them
to go on the light rail? And that's that's the
conversation coups that that started months ago when that woman
got stabbed to death. But i mean, listen for we
want shame on a new for me twice and I'm
not sure why any anybody would get on the train. Maybe,
(15:24):
of course this goes back good. It's gracious, we can
go back and have a conversation by the train going
back what twenty years? Bo, I think I need to
talk about this one. I was in local real estate development,
but that's that's neither here or there. Look, Charlott's on
the map for all the wrong reasons, and we got
to figure out a way to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
This is Good Morning beat Back then at nine thirty
seven on WBT this Monday, December eighth, Bo Thompson, Beth
Troutman with you, Mick mulvaney on the line from the
Southernmost Bureau, Key West. We get him wherever he is
because we have so many things to talk to him about.
(15:59):
So again, thanks so much for being with us. Happy
Holidays to you and your family, and Mery Christmas everybody.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yes, it's very Christmasy down here in Key West, as
you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Hey, I can only imagine. I can only imagine until
I'm invited. Ah see what I did. Let's talk about
Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Now that we're FM, now the FM, I think we'll
be able to do the show from here.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Hey, hey, now there is a show.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I can get behind.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Your words, your words and are going to be prophetic.
I can feel it.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So, speaking of words, last night on sixty Minutes, Marjorie
Taylor Green sitting down with Leslie Stall, first time she's
done an extensive interview since she made her big announcement
that she is quitting Congress.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So I'm going to.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Ask you straight out, did you surrender? Did Donald Trump
run you out of town?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not at all. Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is
I said in my statement, I will be no one's
battered wife, and I'm in it and I won't allow
the system to abuse me anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You really feel abused.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
He did come after you pretty hard. He called you
a lunatic. I'm quoting.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He said all she does is.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Complain, complain, complain in caps, and then he called you
a trader.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So he hit you back too.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes, he did this in the same time span where
President Trump brought in the al Qaeda leader that was
wanted by the US government who is now the president
of Syria. Then within a week he brought in the
Crown Prince NBS who murdered an American journalist, and then
he brought in the newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of
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New York. That was the time span that he called
me a trader.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
You decided not to stay and fight. You decided to.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Give in after a President Trump called me a trader.
I got a pipe bomb threat on my house and
then I got several direct death threats on my son,
on your son, on my son.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
You say the President put your life in danger. You
blame him, You say he fueled a hot bed of
threats against me, and that you blame him for the
threats against your son.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
The subject line for the direct death threats on my
son was his words, Marjorie Trader Green, those are death
threats you directly fueled by President Trump. And I told him,
I told jd Vance, I told them all sent those
directly to them. And again response jd Vance replied back
to me, we'll look into it. I got response back
(18:39):
from President Trump that I will keep private. But it
wasn't very nice.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Give us a hint of what the President said.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It was extremely unkind.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, So that's a bit of her explanation as to
why she came to this decision. Did you see this
last night? Have you been watching this back and forth?
And what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
No, I'd rather stab myself and the eye with a
fork and watch Marjorie Taylor Green on television. The look
I'm hoping her fifteen minutes is about finished. You know,
now that she's anti Trump, the media loves her. But
you know, back before when she was pitching QAnon theories
and talking, I think she's the one talking about Jewish
(19:21):
space lasers controlling our minds or something like that. You know, look,
this is this is who we elect these days. This
is this is by the way, this is who people
who are running the country. So I'm all for reform,
I'm all for seeing the air of your ways, and
I'm all for personal growth. So if this is legitimate
and she's having that, God bless her, I think that's
(19:42):
absolutely wonderful. I don't buy it for a second. She's
doing this because she's an absolute addict when it comes
to media, and she wants to be famous, and she's
could try to run for something else, so, you know,
and CBS is playing right into it. I don't know
what party she runs at. I don't know what, but
but I don't think it makes it difference these days.
So look, it's entertainment, it's not news. She's not news. Worthy,
(20:06):
but it's you know, you sort of like watch this
like you'll watch a train wreck. You don't want to
watch it, but you can't turn away.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
What did you make of the content of that answer
that we just played, You know that that the President
called her a trader, and then it sounded like what
she was implying by who he has invited to the
White House, it sounded like she was implying that she
believes he is.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I don't know about that. I think there's the question
is how can I be a trader when I've done this, this, this,
and this, But you still bring these other folks in
here who are clearly, at least in the past, have
have either been enemies of the United States or have
done things against the interests of the United States. I
think that's a that's a fair discussion to have. But
this is a This is a person, though best for me,
(20:48):
who has zero credibility, zero, none, whatsoever. I'm not sure
I believe anything that she says. I'm not sure I
believe her when she says she's getting the death threats?
Could she sure? And I hope she's not. I'm not
sure I believe her when she says that Donald Trump
sent her a personal message, et cetera, et cetera. This
is it's it's it is a it'd be a great
debate to have. Okay, if the person who was being
(21:11):
attacked by Donald Trump was someone who was reasonable. But
this is this is this is not again. This go
back to the study how Marjorie Taylor Green ended up
on the national stage in the first place, and it
wasn't anything that anybody you know should be proud of.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, So to that point, there was a moment of
the conversation last night where Leslie Stall went back to
some things that Marjorie Taylor Green has said in the past,
and then reflecting on things she said in recent weeks.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Green has built her reputation on feisty combat and inflammatory insults,
like calling President Joe Biden a liar during the twenty
twenty three State of the Union. It's been five years
of almost constant drama.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I think your fake eyes are messing up.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
With her, adding fuel to the nation's loss of civility.
Then three weeks ago, she went on CNN with a
surprise a Maya culpook and.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I would like to say, humbly, I'm sorry for taking
part in the toxic politics, but it became.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Clear to us that she hasn't entirely lost her appetite
for combat.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's the most toxic political culture and it's not helping
the America.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
But you contributed to that.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
You you you were out there pounding insulting people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Leslie, you've contributed to it as well with your own Yes,
your accusatory, just like you did just then.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I know you're accusing me, but I'm smart, amazing me,
I am accusing.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
We don't have to accuse one another.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I want you to respond to what you have done
in terms of insulting people, yelling at people, and then saying.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I'd like for you to respond for that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You can respond, don and so you do, and the
way you question and you are you're accusing me right now.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I know that you didn't really want to listen to
more of that interview, but it sort of played into
what you were talking about, so I thought it was
appropriate to the conversation.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, you know, look, I feel I feel sort of
the same way about MTG as I do about Jake Tapper.
You know, Jake from CNN wrote this book, and you
know he's pushing the book was absolutely just hawking the
book anywhere he could about six months ago about the
Biden years, but about oh my goodness, I cannot believe
can you believe it that the media didn't cover Joe
(23:36):
Biden's mental decline when he was the one doing exactly that,
And then all of a sudden, he wants you to
think that he's, you know, a savior because he's the one,
you know, writing a book about it. And Marjorie Taylor
Green sitting here talking about the toxicity of the American
American political system is like Jake Tapper saying, you know, look,
I can't believe we miss Biden. These people are just
(23:58):
addicted to They're addicted to the media. And I was
a little disappointed that sixty minutes would would would sort
of give a platform here, But again, they're interested in
ratings and so forth. I get it. Look, all of
these are fair discussions. The toxicity, we talk about it
every single week in Washington is real. That the threat
of populism is real, the threats of violence against people
(24:21):
is real, and it's horrible. This is not the right
person to be to be to be having that discussion
with She's not a thought leader on anything. And I'm
just surprised, not surprised, disappointed that the media is giving
her that the avenue that they will just now because
she's anti Trump. You know, I've seen that again and again.
The media hated John McCain until he was anti Trump.
(24:44):
Then he died and they give a national funeral. So
there's a long list of you want to be famous
in the media, come out against Donald Trump, and they will,
they will beat a path to your door.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
On that note, we will move on to a different topic.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I really feel about this.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hey, it's been so long since we talked to you.
We try to keep as much of the headlines because
quite frankly, we don't make our final old judgment on
it until we hear what you have to say, so
it has to go through you. Right, This is good morning,
beat final stretch here on a Monday. What a Monday.
(25:20):
It has been many Mondays to come. Nine fifty three
Bowen Beth here, Mick mulvaney joins us. One more segment
here and a few more things to get to.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
One of the latest stories to make headlines the Supreme
Court potentially giving the President of the United States more power.
This in the case of fire democratic FTC commissioner. Now,
the Court is poised to potentially strip long standing job
protections for top agency officials and take that away from
Congress and potentially give that power to the President of
(25:56):
the United States. Having been a member of Congress, but
also have having been the former White House Chief of Staff,
how do you feel about this potential decision and do
you believe, as some of the media would suggest, that
the Supreme Court is going to favor President Trump.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You get to that in a second. I just got
a text margin We're going to go have breakfast after this,
so she's coming down anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Hey, I was trying to move along the conversation here.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Look that this is, this is this is a fascinating topic.
This deals with independent agencies. Okay, and this is you
could do this for You could do hours and hours
on this. Since that courts have taken this up, Conservatives
have looked at it for decades. Courts have looked at
it hundreds of times, dozens of times, and so forth.
This is about the appropriate role of the executive branch
(26:47):
and the most specifically the present United States. These will
be what we call these independent agencies. The FCC is
one of those. And the very short version of the
argument the conservatives make is, go look at the content Institution,
and we know what Congress is, we know what the
courts are, we know what the president is, but there's
no independent agencies there, and that these are functions that
(27:08):
should be performed by the executive, not by an independent agency.
And it ties into a wonderful sort of larger discussion
about the rise of populism and why populism is here
and why people think like their government is not accountable
to them. I do have familiarity with this because I
ran an independent agency at the CFPB, and what it
needs to tell people is, look, if you don't like
(27:29):
what I'm doing, tough, I don't answer to you. I
don't answer to anybody. President can't fire me, Congress can't
doesn't fund me. I could do whatever I want to
over here. And people don't like that, and they're right
not to like that. So look, I get that it's
going to be pitched as a presidential authority case, and
it is really a presidential authority case. But this isn't
the same thing as Donald Trump. Does Donald Trump say
(27:51):
abuse his emergency powers. That's part of the tariff case.
This is different. It goes back all the way to
think called Humphrey's Executive and for the lawyers listening, they
know exactly what that is back in the nineteen twenties.
This is a long gooing fight and I think a
lot of our Conservatis are excited about having this debate.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
If the president were given the power, and this would
not just and to be very clear, it would not
just impact President Trump but future presidents as well, whether
Democrats or Republicans. Does it impact the ability to influence
I guess trade and media the way that a president
would would want to by granting approvals of big mergers
(28:32):
and you know, giving Wall Street favors in does it
allow for more corruption? And I'm not just saying, like
again that not just this presidency. I'm talking all presidencies
from here on out.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's an absolutely fair question, and I know how it's
going to be pitched. But as the lawyer and me
is sitting there going wow, that's right. I guess you
get the president all this authority, maybe he can just
give stuff to his friends and not give it to
his enemies. But that's always been against the law, and
there's always then the ability to go to the courts
again they happened to be in the Constitution and say, look,
this person or this agency, this executive this power is
(29:09):
acting capriciously and arbitrarily. You can't do that because it
aviolates your due process and so forth. So look, there
are protections, there's no question about it. But this is
different because the executive agency argument is different. It's also
called the unitary executive. It's different than this issue about
whether or not Trump was right to create to declare
(29:30):
a national emergency so that he could put tariffs on
must and such and doust and such. I recognize the
fact it's going to get blended in because it's these
are the subtleties of administrative law, but it's not exacutly
the same thing. And as one as someone who is
concerned about overreach of executive and I absolutely am. This
is one of those places where I sided with the executive.
I ran an executive agency. I had seventeen hundred people
(29:52):
working for me, and I was only allowed to hire
and fire seven of them. That's not right for Republican
or Democrat president. That's not right when you elect somebody
Republican or Democrat, you expect them to be able to
put in the initiatives the agendas that they ran on,
and executive agencies oftentimes frustrate that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So back to Marjorie Taylor grit. That'll wrap it. We
will talk to you soon. Mick Malvaney, it's been good
catching up. If you have a good week. Thank you
all there is from the Key West Bureau. It has
been a day. We need to go to a show
from down at this two we doo.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
I'd love to see you just sonning yourself on a
little beach there.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're going a fat way al on the beach. Huh.
I can see it now in my head. It's breathtaking.
All right, Thanks to all, Thanks to all of Charlotte.
We're very excited about Thursday one o seven point nine WBT.
Good talk, Beth, good talk, good match. Why did you
get so crazy on me?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I tip that's the name of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well this is while you're still coming. Can we get
that pull right together?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (30:58):
Sure,
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