December 3, 2025 • 9 mins
Bo and Beth welcome Theresa Payton to talk about the latest deep fake story with ties to a North Carolina politician.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Good Morning Beat Wednesday Morning, December third, Bo Thompson,
Beth Troutman in the historic Tyboid studio. Time to bring
on our cybersecurity expert, longtime analysts for US, the founder
of Forderless Solutions. Follow her on X at Tracker Peyton.
(00:21):
It is Teresa Payton and appropriate that I mentioned X
because we actually were tagged last night. I was kind
of going about my evening activities and all of a
sudden I realized I had been tagged on X by Teresa.
And this is like one of those rabbit hole stories.
You've got to kind of go down the thread. Joe
Bruno had a report here from Channel nine about a
Charlotte State senator. But I'm getting ahead of myself here.
(00:43):
I should go back and say good morning Teresa.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good morning though, and that's how are you very very well?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Glad to have you aboard here. But in the interest
of time here, there's a lot to get to and
a lot that you were following last night. What about
this story that you tied us on because I knew
the reason you did that is because you wanted to
talk about it today. This is a this is something
that is pretty wild to follow but then it's something
that you saw coming actually a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I mean, but we actually talked about this in studio.
I said digital forensic anthropology was going to be a
necessary job in the future. And at the time I said,
by twenty twenty, here we are, I was a little
ahead of my time. But basically, this woman says, this
commercial that was created of me and one an award.
(01:31):
It looks like me, it sounds like me. It's not me.
It must be a deep fake of me using a
video from something else I was doing. It's a crazy story.
I mean, how do you get this far down the
road where commercial is made? It wins an award and
she's like, it's not me. And the way she found
out about it was a reporter I guess figured out
(01:53):
it was her and called her to ask her how
she felt about the award.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, and so the Charlotte State Senator DeAndrea Salvador and
Joe Bruno posted something on this from Channel nine. She
says an ad agency manipulated her twenty eighteen TED Talk
to make it look like she was behind all this,
and then he said it gets weirder. The ad ended
up winning a prestigious award, the Grand Prix in the
(02:17):
Creative Data category at the can Lyons International Festival of Creativity.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So it's creative, all right, yeah her.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But I mean, like you said, we've been talking for
years about predictions, and we're going to have the annual
show coming up when you do your predictions. But we
have spotlighted over the years when you've been right about
so many things. And here's another thing that you put
the red flag up well before most people were looking
for it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, and here's the thing. So she says, it's not me,
and you want to believe her, And it would be
great if we could turn to an authoritius as well.
I'm a digital friensic anthropologist and I've looked at it,
and she's right, it's not her. Like it would be
great to have somebody who's specifically trained and looking at this,
just like you have a missing piece of art that's
(03:06):
found and somebody says, oh, this is a missing you know,
this is a missing Picasso or or a Monet, and
so he goes, now, this is his nephew who went
to his art school. It's not him, it's but it's
it looks a lot like his work.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What in the world are we going to do moving
forward in the future, because we're seeing this happen to
corporate CEOs or CFOs, people who are saying, hey, these
videos were created, this isn't me. I wasn't part of this.
And for people who have been posting content for years
on social media not knowing that this technology was coming,
(03:41):
or you know, Bo has been on the radio for
two decades I was in television. People could take all
of those images and suddenly use our voice, our likenesses
and create ads or create videos. And now there's a
whole new story that young people are dealing with apps
and sites that create pornography use images.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, that's thanks for bringing this story to my attention,
because it's a haunting story in The Guardian and what
was I think what was really sad about this story
was not only these apps allowing young people to create
deep bake pornography of their fellow classmates or anything they
(04:23):
want to, but they're finding that the people that are
creating these images, when they're questioned about it, they don't
understand why there's something wrong with what they're doing. And
this is a very scary, flippery slope that we find
ourselves on right now because of the lack of governance
and guardrails, because of the lack of holding technology companies
(04:45):
accountable for safety. And you know, so it's not just
about privacy and security, it's also about safety that we
find ourselves in this spot. And so this is where
we've all got to kind of band together. There's not
a technology, there's not laws governing this, so we all
have to help each other navigate you kind of this
(05:07):
wild west that we find ourselves in.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And then now you linked to another X story that
I was trying to get into last night and I
couldn't get into it. And the reason I couldn't get
into it is because it was taken down misinformation from
an imposter account about a legitimate account. This is different
than the first story I started off with. But what's
(05:30):
going on here?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Just it was interesting. I had people warning me, sending
me text don't forget this North Carolina law is in
a fact and it's got all these penalties, and whenever
I was like, well, it's a good law because the
law is hands free, like you know, you can't have
I think the way the law is going to be
is you can't have like earbuds in your ears while
(05:52):
you're driving, and you can't be holding onto your phone,
you can't have your phone in your hand to do texting,
et cetera, et cetera. And what was interesting is is,
for some reason, this imposter account that looks like an
official North Carolina account, they kind of went into overdrive
saying it's already in place, and it made up misinformation
about the law being passed and what the penalties were,
(06:14):
and then it got picked up by legitimate accounts who
were then posting it. Then everybody realized, wait, the law
hasn't passed yet, Like somebody actually went to the North
Carolina legislature to look at the law and it wasn't there,
and it says it's still in committee. And so people
had to go back and delete all these posts. Oh
my god, warning people, and so something so innocent is
(06:36):
I think a great reminder for all of us of
even if it looks like it's an official account, like
you have to go back to the source. And somebody
at some point did and they're like, oh, I, this
can't be right because the law hasn't been passed yet.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I just and the whole problem here too, is all
of the effort that it takes to find the true
I mean, if it hadn't been for the person who
went to the North Carolina Legislature to see that the
law was still in committee, I mean, and how many
people saw and we've seen this since my goodness, the
(07:14):
last ten years probably, but how many people see the
misinformation and then never see the correction.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Exactly. And so this is where we've been saying this
for years, But really, especially now, you have to get
your news from trusted, vetted news sources, and looking at
your social media feed is not it. So the clips
and the snippets and the comments that you're seeing, you
have to write it off as these are just ordinary
(07:44):
everyday people who have an opinion. If you want the
real news, you've got to go back to like WBT radio.
You have to go back to the trust of vetted
news sources, people who have gone to school, who have
journalistic ethics and a process that they've follow for vetting
the news, and when they get it wrong, they retracted.
So that's what people need to take away from this
(08:07):
is social media, even if it looks like an official account,
that is not the news you need to actually go
to the authoritative source.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And again, Ellen Mashburn is the particular feed that or
a file that I was looking for last night, former
Lieutenant Governor's candidate in North Carolina. North Carolina Republican delegate
over the years, But he posted this apology about the
Hands Free NC Act at Senate Bill two five twenty six. Rather,
(08:35):
if you want to read more on this, every one
of these stories that we've talked about today, you could
spend the whole morning going down a rabbit hole of
of information and some of it had to be retracted.
So Teresa Payton, much much going on today, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Beth and bow it sounds like everybody survived Black Friday,
Cyber Monday, Thanksgiving, and I just hope that everybody has
a care rate, safe and secure rest of the week
and be safe out there.
This is Good Morning Beat Wednesday Morning, December third, Bo Thompson,
Beth Troutman in the historic Tyboid studio. Time to bring
on our cybersecurity expert, longtime analysts for US, the founder
of Forderless Solutions. Follow her on X at Tracker Peyton.
(00:21):
It is Teresa Payton and appropriate that I mentioned X
because we actually were tagged last night. I was kind
of going about my evening activities and all of a
sudden I realized I had been tagged on X by Teresa.
And this is like one of those rabbit hole stories.
You've got to kind of go down the thread. Joe
Bruno had a report here from Channel nine about a
Charlotte State senator. But I'm getting ahead of myself here.
(00:43):
I should go back and say good morning Teresa.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good morning though, and that's how are you very very well?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Glad to have you aboard here. But in the interest
of time here, there's a lot to get to and
a lot that you were following last night. What about
this story that you tied us on because I knew
the reason you did that is because you wanted to
talk about it today. This is a this is something
that is pretty wild to follow but then it's something
that you saw coming actually a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I mean, but we actually talked about this in studio.
I said digital forensic anthropology was going to be a
necessary job in the future. And at the time I said,
by twenty twenty, here we are, I was a little
ahead of my time. But basically, this woman says, this
commercial that was created of me and one an award.
(01:31):
It looks like me, it sounds like me. It's not me.
It must be a deep fake of me using a
video from something else I was doing. It's a crazy story.
I mean, how do you get this far down the
road where commercial is made? It wins an award and
she's like, it's not me. And the way she found
out about it was a reporter I guess figured out
(01:53):
it was her and called her to ask her how
she felt about the award.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, and so the Charlotte State Senator DeAndrea Salvador and
Joe Bruno posted something on this from Channel nine. She
says an ad agency manipulated her twenty eighteen TED Talk
to make it look like she was behind all this,
and then he said it gets weirder. The ad ended
up winning a prestigious award, the Grand Prix in the
(02:17):
Creative Data category at the can Lyons International Festival of Creativity.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So it's creative, all right, yeah her.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But I mean, like you said, we've been talking for
years about predictions, and we're going to have the annual
show coming up when you do your predictions. But we
have spotlighted over the years when you've been right about
so many things. And here's another thing that you put
the red flag up well before most people were looking
for it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, and here's the thing. So she says, it's not me,
and you want to believe her, And it would be
great if we could turn to an authoritius as well.
I'm a digital friensic anthropologist and I've looked at it,
and she's right, it's not her. Like it would be
great to have somebody who's specifically trained and looking at this,
just like you have a missing piece of art that's
(03:06):
found and somebody says, oh, this is a missing you know,
this is a missing Picasso or or a Monet, and
so he goes, now, this is his nephew who went
to his art school. It's not him, it's but it's
it looks a lot like his work.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What in the world are we going to do moving
forward in the future, because we're seeing this happen to
corporate CEOs or CFOs, people who are saying, hey, these
videos were created, this isn't me. I wasn't part of this.
And for people who have been posting content for years
on social media not knowing that this technology was coming,
(03:41):
or you know, Bo has been on the radio for
two decades I was in television. People could take all
of those images and suddenly use our voice, our likenesses
and create ads or create videos. And now there's a
whole new story that young people are dealing with apps
and sites that create pornography use images.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, that's thanks for bringing this story to my attention,
because it's a haunting story in The Guardian and what
was I think what was really sad about this story
was not only these apps allowing young people to create
deep bake pornography of their fellow classmates or anything they
(04:23):
want to, but they're finding that the people that are
creating these images, when they're questioned about it, they don't
understand why there's something wrong with what they're doing. And
this is a very scary, flippery slope that we find
ourselves on right now because of the lack of governance
and guardrails, because of the lack of holding technology companies
(04:45):
accountable for safety. And you know, so it's not just
about privacy and security, it's also about safety that we
find ourselves in this spot. And so this is where
we've all got to kind of band together. There's not
a technology, there's not laws governing this, so we all
have to help each other navigate you kind of this
(05:07):
wild west that we find ourselves in.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And then now you linked to another X story that
I was trying to get into last night and I
couldn't get into it. And the reason I couldn't get
into it is because it was taken down misinformation from
an imposter account about a legitimate account. This is different
than the first story I started off with. But what's
(05:30):
going on here?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Just it was interesting. I had people warning me, sending
me text don't forget this North Carolina law is in
a fact and it's got all these penalties, and whenever
I was like, well, it's a good law because the
law is hands free, like you know, you can't have
I think the way the law is going to be
is you can't have like earbuds in your ears while
(05:52):
you're driving, and you can't be holding onto your phone,
you can't have your phone in your hand to do texting,
et cetera, et cetera. And what was interesting is is,
for some reason, this imposter account that looks like an
official North Carolina account, they kind of went into overdrive
saying it's already in place, and it made up misinformation
about the law being passed and what the penalties were,
(06:14):
and then it got picked up by legitimate accounts who
were then posting it. Then everybody realized, wait, the law
hasn't passed yet, Like somebody actually went to the North
Carolina legislature to look at the law and it wasn't there,
and it says it's still in committee. And so people
had to go back and delete all these posts. Oh
my god, warning people, and so something so innocent is
(06:36):
I think a great reminder for all of us of
even if it looks like it's an official account, like
you have to go back to the source. And somebody
at some point did and they're like, oh, I, this
can't be right because the law hasn't been passed yet.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I just and the whole problem here too, is all
of the effort that it takes to find the true
I mean, if it hadn't been for the person who
went to the North Carolina Legislature to see that the
law was still in committee, I mean, and how many
people saw and we've seen this since my goodness, the
(07:14):
last ten years probably, but how many people see the
misinformation and then never see the correction.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Exactly. And so this is where we've been saying this
for years, But really, especially now, you have to get
your news from trusted, vetted news sources, and looking at
your social media feed is not it. So the clips
and the snippets and the comments that you're seeing, you
have to write it off as these are just ordinary
(07:44):
everyday people who have an opinion. If you want the
real news, you've got to go back to like WBT radio.
You have to go back to the trust of vetted
news sources, people who have gone to school, who have
journalistic ethics and a process that they've follow for vetting
the news, and when they get it wrong, they retracted.
So that's what people need to take away from this
(08:07):
is social media, even if it looks like an official account,
that is not the news you need to actually go
to the authoritative source.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And again, Ellen Mashburn is the particular feed that or
a file that I was looking for last night, former
Lieutenant Governor's candidate in North Carolina. North Carolina Republican delegate
over the years, But he posted this apology about the
Hands Free NC Act at Senate Bill two five twenty six. Rather,
(08:35):
if you want to read more on this, every one
of these stories that we've talked about today, you could
spend the whole morning going down a rabbit hole of
of information and some of it had to be retracted.
So Teresa Payton, much much going on today, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Beth and bow it sounds like everybody survived Black Friday,
Cyber Monday, Thanksgiving, and I just hope that everybody has
a care rate, safe and secure rest of the week
and be safe out there.
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