Season 1 of Hail Tales wraps up with a compilation of fun stories from the old days of training camp in Carlisle, PA.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Considering Washington spent a lot of time at Dickinson College,
it perhaps comes as no surprise that plenty of shenanigans
went down, despite what Doc Walker might say.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I've been accused of things I don't I don't remember any.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Of that, or Jo Jacobe that's just a rumor.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
There's no truth that there's no there's no evidence with
really no facts.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The prof that angels all of them, Well, a lot
of shenanigans might have happened in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, more than
what could fit into the last episode.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Enjoy these extras.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This is hail Tail's episode five and a half bungee jumping,
the popcorn assault, and other training camp shenanigans. When it
was Washington's time to report to camp, the guys would
get in their cars and make the approximately two and
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a half hour drive to Carlisle, unless you were Russ
Grim and Jojacoby, who liked to take their time.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Goes. Bugel called Russ and I, since we were roommates,
wanted us to come up early.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Jojacoby, three time Super Bowl champion Og member of the Hogs,
played for Washington from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, it took us over two days to get there,
and it's only a two hour drive, and he goes,
he goes one. Don't you guys up that afternoon? Well,
we stopped along the way. We'd played golf at one
place and then had to hit another establishment, Theren Frederick
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would spend the night there and then played golf in
the morning before we got there that at that evening
the next.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Evening, And of course cell phones didn't exist, so it's
not like coach Bugle could figure out where they actually
were or tell them to avoid this scenic root of theirs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It was just to stop people to see.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Messing with coaches was no doubt a risky game, but
most didn't take themselves too seriously.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
We had a quarterback coach.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Three time Super Bowl champion Don Warren, a tight end
who played for the team from nineteen seventy nine to
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And his name was Jerry Rome. And when he first
got there, he had a two pay or a rug.
I call it a lot of a lot of the
people would call it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
A lot of the players would call it a rug,
but nobody.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He warred so well that nobody really knew that it
was a two pay, and so he gets out one
practice and he's out there and he's trying to show
art monk, you know, how to release on certain on
a certain play, and the dB jams him.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Well, what do you think happens?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
The two pay falls off, and everybody like looked on
the ground as they saw, you know, Jerry after the
play was movie his bald.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
Head, you know, and he said oops, and he walks
over and picks up his two pay and just stuffed
it in his pocket and that was it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
That's the last time, last time that we ever saw
you know. He was probably with us for I'm just
taking a guest seven seven years or something like that
in the early early eighties, and it might have been
less than that, but that's the last time we ever
saw that two pays.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Mentioned in the last show. Rillo's Italian Restaurant was an
important training camp establishment, but it certainly wasn't the only
player hotspot over the thirty four years in Carlisle.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Rillo's was bigger with the overhill game that group, you know,
when we came in, it was kind of the changing
of the guard.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Russ Grim, three time Super Bowl champion OG member of
the Hogs played for Washington from nineteen eighty one to
nineteen ninety one, and.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
We had a little place we'd always meet, the Fireside,
which was a bar over on the west end.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Fireside.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, they took care of rus there. We didn't
have to we didn't have to ask for another beer.
They knew when to deliver that. So we had it
set up that when we came into the place, there
was always two cases of peer there at our tables
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Time at the fireside was precious. Pulling oneself out of
the bar seat to go back to football for a practice,
a meeting. It was challenging. Sometimes the Hogs just wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ross I said, I'm tired. I don't want to go
to meetings. I might get no. He goes, you gotta go,
I said, no do.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
I said, this isn't a very good idea. I know
we're definitely going to get fined for this one.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Ross sitting there on the far side, also sort of popform.
So there was a basket sitting in front of him,
and he gets it, empties it out. He yells to
the crowd, to all the guys that were there, and
he said, brother Jacoby's made a suggestion that we don't
go to meetings tonight, and if we're gonna do it,
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we're doing it. All is want. Nobody goes, so I
need everybody's keys up here to put in this basket.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
I said, that way, nobody slides out the back, and
nobody sneaks out the side.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I said, if we're in, everybody's in.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
And Raleigh and I think we had a rookie there.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
One time, Tim Moxley and.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A couple of rookies, the younger guys were all one
big guy that was he felt as big as me.
He was outcryed the dorms. He goes, they're going to
find me.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
He said, I don't want to do it. He says,
I can't get fined. He says there's too much money,
and Jacobi goes, relax, mocks. He says, you have to
make the team before they can find you. He goes,
and you don't have a chance. Everybody broke out laughing.
So yeah, Moxley state.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They sent down guys to get us and said, come on,
get out of here. We're not coming up. So we didn't.
They brought the meeting to us.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Time out these hangout spots was so cherished, in fact,
that a literal fire couldn't get the guys out of
the fireside.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
One day, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
About four o'clock and there wasn't a whole lot of
people in there, but somehow a fire breaks out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
In the grill area.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
And if you've been to the fireside, it's surrounded by
a bar, a U shaped bar, not very big, and
the kitchen wasn't that big. It was just hamburgers and
stuff like that. Well, a fire breaks out, and I
mean a legit fire. And so what does Russ Grim say,
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who was like the headhog. He's like, boys, we're finishing
this beer before we leave.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
That was value time. You only had so much time off.
And they ain't kicking me out from not having a
beer after two practices that day and the heat, no,
we were staying having a beer.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So the fire as it starts to go and build,
all right, the smoke is starting to come out into
the bar area and it's starting to fill up the
room and it's starting to ease its way down to
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the point where you know, people had to drink their
beers and like getting low in the in the smoke,
and like, of course everybody's going. You know, it's smoke
bad for you. You know, if you breathe, it is it,
you know. So then I hear, I hear the fire department.
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They start screaming over there at the cook area. They go,
hey boys, he goes, Uh, you guys got to get out.
This is the you know, the owner and the cook.
He goes, you guys got to get out of here.
He goes, I called the fire department. And the next
thing I heard, I said, hey, Russ, I go, I go.
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You hear that fire trucks. They're coming. They're coming. This
thing's coming, you know. And as we're as we're like
scooching down in our chairs, still taking our beers and
drinking like this in the in the and the smoke
is right here, all of a sudden, fire truck pulls up.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Bangs, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
The door opens that and the fireside had a had
a regular solid door, but then it had a saloon
door right inside of that. I will never forget this
as long as I live. The fire chief is the
first one coming through the door. He's fully dressed, he's
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got a mask on, he's got the gear on, he's
got everything on. He's holding an axe because obviously they
could see some some smoke, you know. And he pops
through that door and he he looks and sees us.
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He goes, boys, he goes, what are you doing here?
You need to get out of here. He goes, trust me,
He goes, if I make a call right now, and
Russ goes, we can't get.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We got to finish this beer.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
We haven't even paid for our beer yet.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We got to finish this beer. And the guy goes, look,
the next call that I make is to the police department.
All right, you need to get out of here. And
so we took our beer very reluctantly stood up. You know,
most of the people weren't breathing obviously, because we've got
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a big gasp of a bear before we went out the door.
And we were kind of mad because the fire captain
or chief chased this out of the fireside.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The guys at times also got creative, made their own
spot for chilling out. Former equipment manager Tom Heckler remembers the.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
One year Diaron Talbert brought a camper. He would put
a camper the kind you drive, not the ones you
hitch up your truck, but he brought it and he
put it a camp around about five miles outside of town,
and it was fully stocked with cold beer. And I
think it would probably be again Sonny, Billy, Lenn Hawes, Moe, Patios, Diron,
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and McDole. That's where they would go after practice and
they would sit there, and I guess they probably even
cooked there from time to time, because after the afternoon
practice you could go out and you know, if you
lost twenty five pounds, you're going to put it back
on somehow, and a lot of it, you know, they
would just drink beer, and you didn't need to eat
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dinner to dining hall, but you have to at least
check in. You know, you could just whoever was there
at the beginning of the line. Okay, Sonny's here, but
he's not eating, so okay. And those guys would sit
out there and tell stories. I went out one time
and one time only, and I was so much younger
than them, and.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
It was just too much for me. It's like, couldn't
keep up with it all.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
After long, tiring, regimented days, the players took their chances
at the slivers of freedom, going their own way. At
times that meant sneaking out after curfew. Some hogs were
perhaps unsurprisingly repeat offenders.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
We got caught breaking curfew one night, Ja, Kobe and
I and so we thought we were fine because they
made bedcheck, and as soon as they made bedcheck, we
snuck down the backstairs, jumped in the truck, drove down
the street two blocks, walked into a bar and there
was a reporter there and he actually bought us a
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drink and we stayed there for like an hour, and
then we said, all right, well let's go back to bed.
I mean we're only dining for like an hour. So
after the morning practice, we had lunch and we're walking
into the meetings and Coach Gibbs goes. He taps me
in Jacoby on his shoulder and he says, I need
to talk to you too out in the lobby. So
we're walking out and Joe says, what.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Are we going to do? I said, I'll do the talking.
So we sit down.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
He goes, He sits down across from us and he says,
I plan on you guys being around here for a
long time.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
He says, but he says, you.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Can't be breaking curfew, and I says, we didn't break curfew.
He goes, rush, he goes, don't lie to me, So
he says, but I'm going to let it slide. He says,
if you guys, promise you won't break curfew again during
training camp, and I looked right at him. I says,
I can't promise you that, and he says what. He goes, well,
you told me not to lie. I said, I'm not lying.
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I said I can't promise you that. He says, fine,
So Joe like he gets up and leaves. He finds
the max which is I don't know, it's like five
hundred bucks. And we were only making like five hundred
bucks that week for preseason games. So we had to
go through the whole week of two days play a
preseason game and then I'm thinking, okay, we're back to even.
We ended up they sent us a bill because they
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took the taxes out. So once they took the taxes out,
we only paid like three hundred and I don't know
thirty seven dollars or something like that, so we still
owed them like a hundred and something. I'm like, when
you've got to be kidding me, so, but yeah, everything
worked out.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I didn't go back out one of the reasons I
didn't go back out. I wasn't a bite because they
didn't want to take me because I would draw too
much attention to be in my size and everything. So
they said, no, Jack, you gotta stay. You bringing too
many people around us, saying you're just too big.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jacoby is a good four to five inches taller than
all of the other hugs.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's why I didn't attend anymore, which probably saved me
quite a bit, quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Another favorite place for relaxing was Possum Lake.
Speaker 10 (15:11):
I remember after one of those practices, sure of us
went to this lake.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It was a lake somewhere near there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Two time Super Bowl champion Rollie mackenzie played for Washington
from nineteen eighty five to nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
But god, that was the most fun I've ever had,
just kind of hanging out the lake just like a
little kid.
Speaker 11 (15:33):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:34):
It just kind of kind kind of refreshment man.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I would just like one of those guys. I was like, Hey,
when were.
Speaker 10 (15:43):
Going to do that again?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, Possum Lake was mostly about relaxation.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Charlie Taylor, Berlin Biggs, and Kenny Houston, we're all fishermen,
and outdoorsman hunting, and I took them there a couple times,
and you know, I don't know whether they went up
on their own fishing or not. But I got to
know one of the fellas up from that area that
was a taxidermy. So I took him up there a
couple times and see what people were catching and what
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he was doing. And the one time we went up
and the guy's name was Donnie, and Donnie said, you
want to see in my walk in freezer because Donnie
did some things I guess you weren't supposed to do
with endangered animals and whatnot. And I'll never forget. I
walked in first and Verlin Biggs came in behind me.
Now Verlin's a defensive end. He's probably six ' four
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back then he was probably like two eighty, which was
huge back then. And he walked in and Donnie had
a Boa constrictor up there wrapped around and Verlin probably
his feet still aren't on the ground. He ran out there.
He was scared to death and the other two guys
laughed at him.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think the team owner could mark himself safe from
harmless fun not so fast.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So this happened in camp and mister Cook was there
with his girlfriend and they were sitting on the sitting
on the sidelines, and they had these two small dogs
and they just happened to be at camp this time
and they brought the dogs. And so jay Bird comes
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in the huddle and he and he's, you know, sitting
near watering everybody down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Bird is equipment manager Jay Brenetti.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And he lets everybody know that watch over behind mister
Cook because he has a whistle. He's got one of
those dog whistles that no, you can't, you can't hear,
but the pitch is so high that it just drives
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dogs bananas. We everybody gets in the huddle, we come
back from the play we just ran. We see jay
Bird over there. We see him behind the Cooks, and
we see him take the little whistle out. It's a
little silver thing and he puts it in his mouth
and he starts blowing. And these dogs go eight. I mean,
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they're going all over the place running and mister Cook
is grabbing the leash and jacking them back and everything else.
And they don't know why, but Jaybird's behind him with
this high pitched dog whistle, just making them go berserk.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Laughing at a guy's expense was a favorite training camp pastime.
Not shocking to hear that rookies were a favorite target.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I was a rookie.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
They treated me like a rookie.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Fred Smoot's first season as a pro was in two
thousand and one, a year in Washington's brief second stint
in Carlisle.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
The first thing they did was make me run to
this little ice cream shop this in Carlile. I had
to bring back like twenty scoops of ice cream. I
don't know how I pulled it off with the rest
of the rookies. Well, they did that only so I
could be busy while they go into my room and
take all of my clothes out of my room, throw
them out of the window with my pillows and the
rest of my stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I did so.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
Yes, I went through the rookie hayes, and it was
part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
For singing seemed to be a staple of rookie hazing.
Speaker 13 (19:29):
Friday, August fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
John Jacua a safety for Washington from nineteen seventy to
nineteen seventy two. He kept a journal during his rookie
training camp.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
We were preparing to play the Boston Patriots. They let
up on us a little today and we had a
good practice. Still having to sing every night for our dinner.
I tried to play the harmonica while another guy sang, oh,
it was awful, and they booed us off the chairs
that we have to stand on.
Speaker 14 (19:56):
Nineteen seventy four. My job at Notre Dame to score touchdowns,
not to sing the song.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Super Bowl champion and Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Fisman played
for Washington from nineteen seventy four to nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 14 (20:10):
So you get going tier four old noted and you know,
you know the basics, but then I really didn't know it.
And then there was a guy by the name of
John Perjean was a linebacker and John knew the words,
so he actually got up and helped me sing the
Notre Dame fight song. You know, I got help from
one of the guys to do it. But like I said,
my job was to score touchdowns, not to go sing
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the song.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not every guy was a bad singer, though.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Charlie Harroway was on the team. Larry Brown Hall of Fame,
hopefully running back. And there was a guy Henry Dyer.
Henry played two years for the Rams and then came
to the Redskins in sixty eight and sixty nine and
they were running backs. So they started in training camp.
They would some of the guys, the veterans, would tell
the rookies to get up and stand on a chair
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and sing Drama Mater. So after a while, you know,
the only that once or twice, and so Charlie, Larry
and Henry thought they could sing, and they get up
and they were singing different probably motown songs, and I
guess some of the older veterans thought it was pretty cool.
So these guys started their own group called the Runners,
being all being running backs, and Larry told me they
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used to go around different nightclubs in DC and sing.
And one time the one manager, I guess, after their
last song or last set, they got a lukewarm round
of applause, and the manager behind it backstage said, guys,
can I give you a little advice? And the three
of them looked at each other and they thought, man,
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we're gonna get He's going to tell us somebody to
call in Detroit and we're going to get a record label.
And the guy says, my advice to you, he says,
never come back to this place again. So that was
the end of the singing career for Charlie, Larry and Henry.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (21:56):
There's a lot of team bonding, a lot of team bonding.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Some we were not supposed to know.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Of that former defensive coordinator Larry Pecatello.
Speaker 14 (22:03):
But if we knew about it, we didn't care really.
Like one day they went all bungee jumping.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, but I was the only one to win.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Russ Graham, who else.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
No, there was a well, I don't know when it
came out, late eighties, early nineties, but we found out
they had it at the fair grounds there in Carlisle.
They had a crane there was taking had a bar
outside the crane. The crane was outside this outdoor bar.
So we went there and we're sitting on a deck
and we're watching and they're taking people up in the
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crane and then they're bungee jumping down like into a
big ten foot deep mattress which you're not supposed to
hit the bag or whatever, and we're watching it and
they'd take some people up and then they bring them
back down because they're checking out. They wouldn't jump, and
everybody would start booing them and stuff, and I says,
why would you get in this crane? I said, go
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up there, pay your money and then not jump. And
they go, oh, you're going to do it? I said,
put money. I said, I'll bet you I'll do it.
So they threw some money on the table. I think
it costs like seventy five bucks. So I had to
go over there. They weigh you. I waited like two
eighty eight and they weigh you and I said, put
three zero five.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
So he writes three oh five on my hand.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Because then you have to show it to the crane
operator and that's they make sure they take you up
high enough. So I went up like I don't know,
one hundred and eighty five feet. They had a vest.
They said, you're want to put the vest on? I says,
I said, what's the other option? He said, you can
go by the ankles, and I said, I'll go buy
the ankles. I already had a few shots of courage.
So they strapped me by the ankles, took me up, stopped,
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opened up the door in Dovete.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I didn't know. I didn't want to travel that far
to do the bunch and jumping and all that. I know.
Our film guys took video of them, and it was
funny watching him. They showed that the next next either
to two nights after that to the whole team, and
he looked like a big old fish on the end
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of a fishing line. They would just snap back and forth.
It was funny, but I'm surprised he'd have hurt himself
because he hit He hit the pads with his hat.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I tell you that that was the best back ever felt.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Now to the end of camp, it could be extra unpredictable,
extra rowdy and chaotic.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
I tell you what a lot of times right before
that the end of training camp that you just got
to keep your head on a swivel and.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Make sure you don't say anything to perturb anybody because
they will get you.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
It was the last day of training camp. It was
it was sort of a wild night. The guys that
you know, we're getting ready to go home. It's our
last night of training camp, and we just we started
flooding rooms. We started burning paper and trash cans, fire hydrants,
shooting it underdoors. Guys were going after one another.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
It was a fun night.
Speaker 14 (25:14):
But then all of a sudden, being the quarterback of
the football team, about.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
Maybe things settled down around three point thirty in the morning.
Don bro who loved his sleep. Coach Bro is our
runnings back coach. He was one that signaled all the
plays in. He was our running running backs coach. He
knocks on my door, he says, get up, and it's
like It's like I was blamed for the entire mess
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that was made of the entire dorm.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Somebody said that they pinned into rookies, and maybe so
they were trapped in their rooms and then they sprayed
water or for except I don't know what I was sold.
I don't know who on earth would think us upthing
when you're a rookie, knowing that you can't get out
of a room to make a meeting. Who would do
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that to something? I don't have any idea, But all
I'm saying to you is that I've heard a lot
of things that happened there. I heard that they were firing,
taking the fire extinguishers and actually putting foam and then
foaming under the doors. These poor kids were in there.
I don't think Joe coach Gibbs thought.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Kindly of it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
As matter of fact, I heard that he canceled camp
ended it it was not He was not pleased at all.
And all I can say is that those guys stuff together,
because I never knew who was behind it, and that
never got out. But I do recall that it.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Happened the one training camp, the night before the last
day of practice, so in other words, it's a whole
day before the last day.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
In the night meeting.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Coach Gibbs goes, he said, we've had a good training camp.
He says, we're gonna call it short. He said, we're
gonna practice in the morning, and then everybody's done.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And we're like no. Everybody's screaming no because we had
parties playing.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
And all kinds of stuff set up, and so like
he's like in shock. He's like, I'm letting you off
a day early, and we're like, no, we don't went
off a day early.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
For the most part, though, guys can wait to get home.
Once training camp was called, there was a.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Lot of other guys. It was like the cannonball run
man that was just out the gates and everybody was
hitting all those back roads to get to fifteen. And
then you're gonna watch out because I think the police
were put on a lawyer around Frederick, Maryland and everything me.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
I was the type of guy who always liked to leave.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Early Super Bowl champ Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 11 (27:53):
And one day I get to my car, I got
I had everything set up. I'm gonna be the first
one down. We had kind of like a little bit
who will get back here first? And I got to
my car and it was full of packing peanuts. And
being the jokester I could be, I just cleaned off
the driver's seat, rolled the windows down, opened up the top,
and took off and I had packing peanuts going all
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over the place. But you know, Jay Bird and Booker,
those were the two guys, equipment guys. They got me
on that one. And I'm sure Raven Carlwell had something to.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Do with it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
As B and H tells it, he was still the
first back to the DMV.
Speaker 11 (28:27):
But I'm sure Carlile and the people of Paul Carlisle
wondering where the hell all those packing peanuts came from.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
This episode was narrated, produced, and researched by me Hannah Liechtenstein,
senior copywriter for the Washington Commanders. It was produced and
edited by Jason Johnson, Executive producers are rayl and Teen,
Ryan Yoakum and Kevin Klein. Graphics designed by Roman Schumann
and rickkim Smith. Social media by Maggie and Tullis and
Rebecca Soltbax. My relations help comes from Tim high Tower
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and Caroline Decio. Thank you to all of our guests
for their contributions and thank you for listening. That's a wrap.
This is the last episode of season one of Hail Tales.
We hope you enjoyed it. Stay tuned for the announcement
of season two coming soon, and make sure to let
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us know your favorite Burgundy and Gold moments. Maybe we'll
touch on them in the next season.
Considering Washington spent a lot of time at Dickinson College,
it perhaps comes as no surprise that plenty of shenanigans
went down, despite what Doc Walker might say.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I've been accused of things I don't I don't remember any.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Of that, or Jo Jacobe that's just a rumor.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
There's no truth that there's no there's no evidence with
really no facts.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The prof that angels all of them, Well, a lot
of shenanigans might have happened in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, more than
what could fit into the last episode.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Enjoy these extras.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
This is hail Tail's episode five and a half bungee jumping,
the popcorn assault, and other training camp shenanigans. When it
was Washington's time to report to camp, the guys would
get in their cars and make the approximately two and
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a half hour drive to Carlisle, unless you were Russ
Grim and Jojacoby, who liked to take their time.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Goes. Bugel called Russ and I, since we were roommates,
wanted us to come up early.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Jojacoby, three time Super Bowl champion Og member of the Hogs,
played for Washington from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, it took us over two days to get there,
and it's only a two hour drive, and he goes,
he goes one. Don't you guys up that afternoon? Well,
we stopped along the way. We'd played golf at one
place and then had to hit another establishment, Theren Frederick
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would spend the night there and then played golf in
the morning before we got there that at that evening
the next.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Evening, And of course cell phones didn't exist, so it's
not like coach Bugle could figure out where they actually
were or tell them to avoid this scenic root of theirs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It was just to stop people to see.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Messing with coaches was no doubt a risky game, but
most didn't take themselves too seriously.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
We had a quarterback coach.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Three time Super Bowl champion Don Warren, a tight end
who played for the team from nineteen seventy nine to
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And his name was Jerry Rome. And when he first
got there, he had a two pay or a rug.
I call it a lot of a lot of the
people would call it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
A lot of the players would call it a rug,
but nobody.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He warred so well that nobody really knew that it
was a two pay, and so he gets out one
practice and he's out there and he's trying to show
art monk, you know, how to release on certain on
a certain play, and the dB jams him.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Well, what do you think happens?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
The two pay falls off, and everybody like looked on
the ground as they saw, you know, Jerry after the
play was movie his bald.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
Head, you know, and he said oops, and he walks
over and picks up his two pay and just stuffed
it in his pocket and that was it.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
That's the last time, last time that we ever saw
you know. He was probably with us for I'm just
taking a guest seven seven years or something like that
in the early early eighties, and it might have been
less than that, but that's the last time we ever
saw that two pays.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Mentioned in the last show. Rillo's Italian Restaurant was an
important training camp establishment, but it certainly wasn't the only
player hotspot over the thirty four years in Carlisle.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Rillo's was bigger with the overhill game that group, you know,
when we came in, it was kind of the changing
of the guard.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Russ Grim, three time Super Bowl champion OG member of
the Hogs played for Washington from nineteen eighty one to
nineteen ninety one, and.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
We had a little place we'd always meet, the Fireside,
which was a bar over on the west end.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Fireside.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, they took care of rus there. We didn't
have to we didn't have to ask for another beer.
They knew when to deliver that. So we had it
set up that when we came into the place, there
was always two cases of peer there at our tables
ready to go.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Time at the fireside was precious. Pulling oneself out of
the bar seat to go back to football for a practice,
a meeting. It was challenging. Sometimes the Hogs just wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ross I said, I'm tired. I don't want to go
to meetings. I might get no. He goes, you gotta go,
I said, no do.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
I said, this isn't a very good idea. I know
we're definitely going to get fined for this one.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Ross sitting there on the far side, also sort of popform.
So there was a basket sitting in front of him,
and he gets it, empties it out. He yells to
the crowd, to all the guys that were there, and
he said, brother Jacoby's made a suggestion that we don't
go to meetings tonight, and if we're gonna do it,
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we're doing it. All is want. Nobody goes, so I
need everybody's keys up here to put in this basket.
Speaker 8 (05:56):
I said, that way, nobody slides out the back, and
nobody sneaks out the side.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I said, if we're in, everybody's in.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
And Raleigh and I think we had a rookie there.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
One time, Tim Moxley and.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A couple of rookies, the younger guys were all one
big guy that was he felt as big as me.
He was outcryed the dorms. He goes, they're going to
find me.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
He said, I don't want to do it. He says,
I can't get fined. He says there's too much money,
and Jacobi goes, relax, mocks. He says, you have to
make the team before they can find you. He goes,
and you don't have a chance. Everybody broke out laughing.
So yeah, Moxley state.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
They sent down guys to get us and said, come on,
get out of here. We're not coming up. So we didn't.
They brought the meeting to us.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Time out these hangout spots was so cherished, in fact,
that a literal fire couldn't get the guys out of
the fireside.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
One day, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
About four o'clock and there wasn't a whole lot of
people in there, but somehow a fire breaks out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
In the grill area.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
And if you've been to the fireside, it's surrounded by
a bar, a U shaped bar, not very big, and
the kitchen wasn't that big. It was just hamburgers and
stuff like that. Well, a fire breaks out, and I
mean a legit fire. And so what does Russ Grim say,
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who was like the headhog. He's like, boys, we're finishing
this beer before we leave.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
That was value time. You only had so much time off.
And they ain't kicking me out from not having a
beer after two practices that day and the heat, no,
we were staying having a beer.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So the fire as it starts to go and build,
all right, the smoke is starting to come out into
the bar area and it's starting to fill up the
room and it's starting to ease its way down to
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the point where you know, people had to drink their
beers and like getting low in the in the smoke,
and like, of course everybody's going. You know, it's smoke
bad for you. You know, if you breathe, it is it,
you know. So then I hear, I hear the fire department.
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They start screaming over there at the cook area. They go,
hey boys, he goes, Uh, you guys got to get out.
This is the you know, the owner and the cook.
He goes, you guys got to get out of here.
He goes, I called the fire department. And the next
thing I heard, I said, hey, Russ, I go, I go.
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You hear that fire trucks. They're coming. They're coming. This
thing's coming, you know. And as we're as we're like
scooching down in our chairs, still taking our beers and
drinking like this in the in the and the smoke
is right here, all of a sudden, fire truck pulls up.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Bangs, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
The door opens that and the fireside had a had
a regular solid door, but then it had a saloon
door right inside of that. I will never forget this
as long as I live. The fire chief is the
first one coming through the door. He's fully dressed, he's
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got a mask on, he's got the gear on, he's
got everything on. He's holding an axe because obviously they
could see some some smoke, you know. And he pops
through that door and he he looks and sees us.
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He goes, boys, he goes, what are you doing here?
You need to get out of here. He goes, trust me,
He goes, if I make a call right now, and
Russ goes, we can't get.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We got to finish this beer.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
We haven't even paid for our beer yet.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We got to finish this beer. And the guy goes, look,
the next call that I make is to the police department.
All right, you need to get out of here. And
so we took our beer very reluctantly stood up. You know,
most of the people weren't breathing obviously, because we've got
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a big gasp of a bear before we went out the door.
And we were kind of mad because the fire captain
or chief chased this out of the fireside.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The guys at times also got creative, made their own
spot for chilling out. Former equipment manager Tom Heckler remembers the.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
One year Diaron Talbert brought a camper. He would put
a camper the kind you drive, not the ones you
hitch up your truck, but he brought it and he
put it a camp around about five miles outside of town,
and it was fully stocked with cold beer. And I
think it would probably be again Sonny, Billy, Lenn Hawes, Moe, Patios, Diron,
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and McDole. That's where they would go after practice and
they would sit there, and I guess they probably even
cooked there from time to time, because after the afternoon
practice you could go out and you know, if you
lost twenty five pounds, you're going to put it back
on somehow, and a lot of it, you know, they
would just drink beer, and you didn't need to eat
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dinner to dining hall, but you have to at least
check in. You know, you could just whoever was there
at the beginning of the line. Okay, Sonny's here, but
he's not eating, so okay. And those guys would sit
out there and tell stories. I went out one time
and one time only, and I was so much younger
than them, and.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
It was just too much for me. It's like, couldn't
keep up with it all.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
After long, tiring, regimented days, the players took their chances
at the slivers of freedom, going their own way. At
times that meant sneaking out after curfew. Some hogs were
perhaps unsurprisingly repeat offenders.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
We got caught breaking curfew one night, Ja, Kobe and
I and so we thought we were fine because they
made bedcheck, and as soon as they made bedcheck, we
snuck down the backstairs, jumped in the truck, drove down
the street two blocks, walked into a bar and there
was a reporter there and he actually bought us a
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drink and we stayed there for like an hour, and
then we said, all right, well let's go back to bed.
I mean we're only dining for like an hour. So
after the morning practice, we had lunch and we're walking
into the meetings and Coach Gibbs goes. He taps me
in Jacoby on his shoulder and he says, I need
to talk to you too out in the lobby. So
we're walking out and Joe says, what.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Are we going to do? I said, I'll do the talking.
So we sit down.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
He goes, He sits down across from us and he says,
I plan on you guys being around here for a
long time.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
He says, but he says, you.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Can't be breaking curfew, and I says, we didn't break curfew.
He goes, rush, he goes, don't lie to me, So
he says, but I'm going to let it slide. He says,
if you guys, promise you won't break curfew again during
training camp, and I looked right at him. I says,
I can't promise you that, and he says what. He goes, well,
you told me not to lie. I said, I'm not lying.
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I said I can't promise you that. He says, fine,
So Joe like he gets up and leaves. He finds
the max which is I don't know, it's like five
hundred bucks. And we were only making like five hundred
bucks that week for preseason games. So we had to
go through the whole week of two days play a
preseason game and then I'm thinking, okay, we're back to even.
We ended up they sent us a bill because they
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took the taxes out. So once they took the taxes out,
we only paid like three hundred and I don't know
thirty seven dollars or something like that, so we still
owed them like a hundred and something. I'm like, when
you've got to be kidding me, so, but yeah, everything
worked out.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I didn't go back out one of the reasons I
didn't go back out. I wasn't a bite because they
didn't want to take me because I would draw too
much attention to be in my size and everything. So
they said, no, Jack, you gotta stay. You bringing too
many people around us, saying you're just too big.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Jacoby is a good four to five inches taller than
all of the other hugs.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's why I didn't attend anymore, which probably saved me
quite a bit, quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Another favorite place for relaxing was Possum Lake.
Speaker 10 (15:11):
I remember after one of those practices, sure of us
went to this lake.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It was a lake somewhere near there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Two time Super Bowl champion Rollie mackenzie played for Washington
from nineteen eighty five to nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
But god, that was the most fun I've ever had,
just kind of hanging out the lake just like a
little kid.
Speaker 11 (15:33):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:34):
It just kind of kind kind of refreshment man.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I would just like one of those guys. I was like, Hey,
when were.
Speaker 10 (15:43):
Going to do that again?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, Possum Lake was mostly about relaxation.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Charlie Taylor, Berlin Biggs, and Kenny Houston, we're all fishermen,
and outdoorsman hunting, and I took them there a couple times,
and you know, I don't know whether they went up
on their own fishing or not. But I got to
know one of the fellas up from that area that
was a taxidermy. So I took him up there a
couple times and see what people were catching and what
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he was doing. And the one time we went up
and the guy's name was Donnie, and Donnie said, you
want to see in my walk in freezer because Donnie
did some things I guess you weren't supposed to do
with endangered animals and whatnot. And I'll never forget. I
walked in first and Verlin Biggs came in behind me.
Now Verlin's a defensive end. He's probably six ' four
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back then he was probably like two eighty, which was
huge back then. And he walked in and Donnie had
a Boa constrictor up there wrapped around and Verlin probably
his feet still aren't on the ground. He ran out there.
He was scared to death and the other two guys
laughed at him.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think the team owner could mark himself safe from
harmless fun not so fast.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So this happened in camp and mister Cook was there
with his girlfriend and they were sitting on the sitting
on the sidelines, and they had these two small dogs
and they just happened to be at camp this time
and they brought the dogs. And so jay Bird comes
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in the huddle and he and he's, you know, sitting
near watering everybody down.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Bird is equipment manager Jay Brenetti.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And he lets everybody know that watch over behind mister
Cook because he has a whistle. He's got one of
those dog whistles that no, you can't, you can't hear,
but the pitch is so high that it just drives
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dogs bananas. We everybody gets in the huddle, we come
back from the play we just ran. We see jay
Bird over there. We see him behind the Cooks, and
we see him take the little whistle out. It's a
little silver thing and he puts it in his mouth
and he starts blowing. And these dogs go eight. I mean,
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they're going all over the place running and mister Cook
is grabbing the leash and jacking them back and everything else.
And they don't know why, but Jaybird's behind him with
this high pitched dog whistle, just making them go berserk.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Laughing at a guy's expense was a favorite training camp pastime.
Not shocking to hear that rookies were a favorite target.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I was a rookie.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
They treated me like a rookie.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Fred Smoot's first season as a pro was in two
thousand and one, a year in Washington's brief second stint
in Carlisle.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
The first thing they did was make me run to
this little ice cream shop this in Carlile. I had
to bring back like twenty scoops of ice cream. I
don't know how I pulled it off with the rest
of the rookies. Well, they did that only so I
could be busy while they go into my room and
take all of my clothes out of my room, throw
them out of the window with my pillows and the
rest of my stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I did so.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
Yes, I went through the rookie hayes, and it was
part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
For singing seemed to be a staple of rookie hazing.
Speaker 13 (19:29):
Friday, August fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
John Jacua a safety for Washington from nineteen seventy to
nineteen seventy two. He kept a journal during his rookie
training camp.
Speaker 13 (19:39):
We were preparing to play the Boston Patriots. They let
up on us a little today and we had a
good practice. Still having to sing every night for our dinner.
I tried to play the harmonica while another guy sang, oh,
it was awful, and they booed us off the chairs
that we have to stand on.
Speaker 14 (19:56):
Nineteen seventy four. My job at Notre Dame to score touchdowns,
not to sing the song.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Super Bowl champion and Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Fisman played
for Washington from nineteen seventy four to nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 14 (20:10):
So you get going tier four old noted and you know,
you know the basics, but then I really didn't know it.
And then there was a guy by the name of
John Perjean was a linebacker and John knew the words,
so he actually got up and helped me sing the
Notre Dame fight song. You know, I got help from
one of the guys to do it. But like I said,
my job was to score touchdowns, not to go sing
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the song.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not every guy was a bad singer, though.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Charlie Harroway was on the team. Larry Brown Hall of Fame,
hopefully running back. And there was a guy Henry Dyer.
Henry played two years for the Rams and then came
to the Redskins in sixty eight and sixty nine and
they were running backs. So they started in training camp.
They would some of the guys, the veterans, would tell
the rookies to get up and stand on a chair
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and sing Drama Mater. So after a while, you know,
the only that once or twice, and so Charlie, Larry
and Henry thought they could sing, and they get up
and they were singing different probably motown songs, and I
guess some of the older veterans thought it was pretty cool.
So these guys started their own group called the Runners,
being all being running backs, and Larry told me they
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used to go around different nightclubs in DC and sing.
And one time the one manager, I guess, after their
last song or last set, they got a lukewarm round
of applause, and the manager behind it backstage said, guys,
can I give you a little advice? And the three
of them looked at each other and they thought, man,
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we're gonna get He's going to tell us somebody to
call in Detroit and we're going to get a record label.
And the guy says, my advice to you, he says,
never come back to this place again. So that was
the end of the singing career for Charlie, Larry and Henry.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (21:56):
There's a lot of team bonding, a lot of team bonding.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Some we were not supposed to know.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Of that former defensive coordinator Larry Pecatello.
Speaker 14 (22:03):
But if we knew about it, we didn't care really.
Like one day they went all bungee jumping.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, but I was the only one to win.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Russ Graham, who else.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
No, there was a well, I don't know when it
came out, late eighties, early nineties, but we found out
they had it at the fair grounds there in Carlisle.
They had a crane there was taking had a bar
outside the crane. The crane was outside this outdoor bar.
So we went there and we're sitting on a deck
and we're watching and they're taking people up in the
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crane and then they're bungee jumping down like into a
big ten foot deep mattress which you're not supposed to
hit the bag or whatever, and we're watching it and
they'd take some people up and then they bring them
back down because they're checking out. They wouldn't jump, and
everybody would start booing them and stuff, and I says,
why would you get in this crane? I said, go
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up there, pay your money and then not jump. And
they go, oh, you're going to do it? I said,
put money. I said, I'll bet you I'll do it.
So they threw some money on the table. I think
it costs like seventy five bucks. So I had to
go over there. They weigh you. I waited like two
eighty eight and they weigh you and I said, put
three zero five.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
So he writes three oh five on my hand.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Because then you have to show it to the crane
operator and that's they make sure they take you up
high enough. So I went up like I don't know,
one hundred and eighty five feet. They had a vest.
They said, you're want to put the vest on? I says,
I said, what's the other option? He said, you can
go by the ankles, and I said, I'll go buy
the ankles. I already had a few shots of courage.
So they strapped me by the ankles, took me up, stopped,
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opened up the door in Dovete.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I didn't know. I didn't want to travel that far
to do the bunch and jumping and all that. I know.
Our film guys took video of them, and it was
funny watching him. They showed that the next next either
to two nights after that to the whole team, and
he looked like a big old fish on the end
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of a fishing line. They would just snap back and forth.
It was funny, but I'm surprised he'd have hurt himself
because he hit He hit the pads with his hat.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I tell you that that was the best back ever felt.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Now to the end of camp, it could be extra unpredictable,
extra rowdy and chaotic.
Speaker 10 (24:33):
I tell you what a lot of times right before
that the end of training camp that you just got
to keep your head on a swivel and.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Make sure you don't say anything to perturb anybody because
they will get you.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
It was the last day of training camp. It was
it was sort of a wild night. The guys that
you know, we're getting ready to go home. It's our
last night of training camp, and we just we started
flooding rooms. We started burning paper and trash cans, fire hydrants,
shooting it underdoors. Guys were going after one another.
Speaker 9 (25:12):
It was a fun night.
Speaker 14 (25:14):
But then all of a sudden, being the quarterback of
the football team, about.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
Maybe things settled down around three point thirty in the morning.
Don bro who loved his sleep. Coach Bro is our
runnings back coach. He was one that signaled all the
plays in. He was our running running backs coach. He
knocks on my door, he says, get up, and it's
like It's like I was blamed for the entire mess
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that was made of the entire dorm.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Somebody said that they pinned into rookies, and maybe so
they were trapped in their rooms and then they sprayed
water or for except I don't know what I was sold.
I don't know who on earth would think us upthing
when you're a rookie, knowing that you can't get out
of a room to make a meeting. Who would do
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that to something? I don't have any idea, But all
I'm saying to you is that I've heard a lot
of things that happened there. I heard that they were firing,
taking the fire extinguishers and actually putting foam and then
foaming under the doors. These poor kids were in there.
I don't think Joe coach Gibbs thought.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Kindly of it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
As matter of fact, I heard that he canceled camp
ended it it was not He was not pleased at all.
And all I can say is that those guys stuff together,
because I never knew who was behind it, and that
never got out. But I do recall that it.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Happened the one training camp, the night before the last
day of practice, so in other words, it's a whole
day before the last day.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
In the night meeting.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Coach Gibbs goes, he said, we've had a good training camp.
He says, we're gonna call it short. He said, we're
gonna practice in the morning, and then everybody's done.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And we're like no. Everybody's screaming no because we had
parties playing.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
And all kinds of stuff set up, and so like
he's like in shock. He's like, I'm letting you off
a day early, and we're like, no, we don't went
off a day early.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
For the most part, though, guys can wait to get home.
Once training camp was called, there was a.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Lot of other guys. It was like the cannonball run
man that was just out the gates and everybody was
hitting all those back roads to get to fifteen. And
then you're gonna watch out because I think the police
were put on a lawyer around Frederick, Maryland and everything me.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
I was the type of guy who always liked to leave.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Early Super Bowl champ Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 11 (27:53):
And one day I get to my car, I got
I had everything set up. I'm gonna be the first
one down. We had kind of like a little bit
who will get back here first? And I got to
my car and it was full of packing peanuts. And
being the jokester I could be, I just cleaned off
the driver's seat, rolled the windows down, opened up the top,
and took off and I had packing peanuts going all
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over the place. But you know, Jay Bird and Booker,
those were the two guys, equipment guys. They got me
on that one. And I'm sure Raven Carlwell had something to.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Do with it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
As B and H tells it, he was still the
first back to the DMV.
Speaker 11 (28:27):
But I'm sure Carlile and the people of Paul Carlisle
wondering where the hell all those packing peanuts came from.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
This episode was narrated, produced, and researched by me Hannah Liechtenstein,
senior copywriter for the Washington Commanders. It was produced and
edited by Jason Johnson, Executive producers are rayl and Teen,
Ryan Yoakum and Kevin Klein. Graphics designed by Roman Schumann
and rickkim Smith. Social media by Maggie and Tullis and
Rebecca Soltbax. My relations help comes from Tim high Tower
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and Caroline Decio. Thank you to all of our guests
for their contributions and thank you for listening. That's a wrap.
This is the last episode of season one of Hail Tales.
We hope you enjoyed it. Stay tuned for the announcement
of season two coming soon, and make sure to let
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us know your favorite Burgundy and Gold moments. Maybe we'll
touch on them in the next season.
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