Everything you need to know about MAFS with queen Jamie Marinos!

Welcome back to Hear Me Out girlies!! Thank you so much for all the love on our last episode - I knew I had to spoil you guys so please welcome MAFS queen Jamie Marinos. Jamie talks us through ALL things MAFS, from the casting process, the weddings, BTS tea, to how production REALLY works and what her love life is looking like after the show!

I had the best time with Jamie and love learning about the in's and out's of reality TV shows so please let me know if there are any other shows you want the BTS on, and I'll see you next week xxx

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm like, I'm not the bad guy here. I'm just
a girl that fell for a boy who lied to me.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's so before Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Okay, guys, welcome back to hear me out.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Today we have a very special guest, the Maths Queen
herself Jamie say.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hello, Hi, I'm so excited to have you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's crazy that you live in Melbourne. I feel like
we're very similar in some ways. I know, how haven't
we bumped into it?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Especially with where you work? Just people, can we talk
about the fact that you work at the Amazon? I
think it's yeah, we can. I mean it's in like
I think like six articles anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Really, so Jamie works at the Amazon, which is like
such a popular club for those who.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Don't live in Melbourne. Is it annoying being sober around
like so many dunk people all the.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I mean yes, do I have a few vodka readies
in my shift?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, drunk people, I'd start to hurt them like cattle.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
That's all. Like this way guys coming to.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
You have to serve kant to work in a nightclub.
And that's why I had no issues dinner parties. Yeah,
I'm drunk, okay, anyone and that's everyone's like, it's funny.
You can't be intoxicated on mass Like it's a no no.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
That was something I'm wondering about. You can, literally you
can have drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Every single person would always get cut off, especially my
husband if he had a few drinks with mumble these words.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
So they cut you off, they cut you off. I
got cut off.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I have a high functioning So how many is there
like a limit where they think or they just kind
of monitor you and go they're getting a bit too drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
It's how you respond, so you can hold your alcohol? Well,
fucking oh, that's something. I work in a night club.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You don't think I can do a million things whilst drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Absolutely heavy machinery. She shouldn't and she wouldn't. I won't,
but she could. This is why she doesn't drive in Melbourne.
And she's an uber princess. Oh you're an ubergirl.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Like, but I just feel like, now that you're well known,
is it hard to even do your job in a
setting like that with all the people that would be
like Jamie, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
So that's why I stopped doing bottle girl work because
I was doing that and I was working out front
door as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'd be like a meet and greet every night.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Now, like they're not paying me enough to be out
in the crowd shaking it with bottles and we're like
that's Jamie and you're like, yeah, birthday. Yeah, no, super
humbling when you're pouring people drinks and they're like when
you're on TV, like.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I've washed out. What can I say? That's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, So I moved into supervising, so I do spend
some time on the floor, but I spend a lot
of time at back and sometimes look, I hear people
go Jaymie and you're like, I deal, I'll just quickly
shut run to the back and shut the dorm shout.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I didn't hear them because it's like sometimes it's just
too much, especially when people can be drunk.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
They don't understand the boundaries as much as like there's
no people coming up on the street when they're sober,
it's so nice, or when they're drunk. Sometimes the lines
get muddied on like.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah, I had like a panic attack in bar Bambie.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, we where dreams go to Die.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We had like some randomvent and l it was down
TJ was down. You know, it's like packed like sard Deanes, and.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
The way they've even designed it, the fact I noticed
that people have dinner along like one side where the
bar is and you're all just standing right and all
the stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I hate you for being in their way.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
You've got nowhere else to go nowhere, And as soon
as it's an influence event, it's like the worst people ever.
I hate influencer events for that reason because I just
don't like people that want to take a photo with me.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
For you mean that the public will come because it's
an influencer event, or the people act like.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
The influencers themselves, Like she's been honest, she hates his world.
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm like, I'm I love the down to earth, humble
people like I rather spend time with my friends. I
don't really care to go like to these events, but
like I will hear in there you meet.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Some great people.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
But then there's the other people like Jamie Jamie Jamie
or like they'll sit at your table or they're like
like I was literally overwhelmed, visibly upset. I was crying,
hypervent eating, and people are still trying to take photos
with me.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh my god, i realize the girl has boundaries. I'm
physically upset right now, Like, give me some.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Fucking yeah, because it's sometimes I feel like the walls
are closing in and people like because people grab me,
like people have ripped out my radio. When I'm working,
I'll be running to do a security issue, people pulling
my arms back.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's touched boundary that gets like covered.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I remember Sam actually try a girl kiss her on
the lips and she's like, oh my god, Like if
you were a guy, I imagine how bad that would.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Be, Like you don't get to kiss me? Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
The same night at bar Bamby, this girl was trying
to kiss Elliott on the lips and he was freaking
out and he's just like, that's all I need some
random person to videotape me kissing her in bar Bambing.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
He's freaking up, and then it's like that's gonna be
all over dealy mail. Yeah, I'm like what is going
on here? But I just didn't like it. I just
it was weird.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Like I meet so many amazing people that come up
to me and they say, like, you were such a
good inspiration for like loud women. You may feel confident,
you're such a girl's go on these beautiful messages, and
then there's these people that come up to me and
you just like the best intention. They want the photos,
like to their friends and they're like, oh, so, like
what happened with you and Dave like da da da da.
And then some fuck bits that come up to me

(05:08):
and they'll be like, winds up happening anyways on yours,
on your ships? You want you They want me to
like sit there and explain the concepts of maths and everything.
I'm like, so you're just literally around me. You think
I'm like someone, I'm like, just fuck off.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Just fuck off, like unless it's nice when they're they
say those nice inspirational things, and that means so much,
but there's always gonna be two sides to the coin
I reckon. My least favorite thing is younger guys will
be like, oh, take a photo, take a photo, and
it's so blatantly obvious in a sense that they're actually
kind of taking the piss out of me. But it's
like sometimes I'll literally be like nut fuck off, but
they'll take it on Snapchat the fucking boys group, and

(05:46):
I'm like, you've literally just taken the piece out of
me in front of my face. But if I'm rude
to you, you'll go tell everyone I was nasty, So
it's like you don't. It's a really hard boundaries.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That something I don't like ever being rude to people
because like the worst because things like I'm not a
rude person, and I hate like most people come up
to when I'm working and sometimes I'm like I can't.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Talk and I'm doing my job, like I'm like trying
to take a payment.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm like, I can't talk to you right now, but
like I always try my best to stop take photos.
But yeah, it's annoying those type of people that purely.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Almost ruin it for some people.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And then there's a lot of people that don't go
to events and stuff anymore at.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
All because of these things.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And it's like there's definitely just two sides to it,
and I feel like being thrust into it so quickly
with I just.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm an anti clout chaser person.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah I can't. That's good and it that's what you want. Yeah,
I feel like that's what you need to be.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Like after shows like that, there's a lot of cloud
chasers coming.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Off math people love the blue tick dick and the
blue tick bitches.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm a blue tick bitch, I am, but you know
why I am only because all of our accounts are
getting hacked repeatedly.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
And no, it's okay for you to be one, but
if you're just around, no, if you're just I'm talking
about the people that want the.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Blue tick bitches. Oh yeah, yeah, so like.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
One, you can't date any fanboys. So all the guys
my dms are an instant note because they're just hitting
me up because they want to date Jamie. Yeah, they
don't care about me as a person. And then all
the girls that want to be friends with you at
those like influencer events because again they're like yay.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But it's hard because it's like, I want to date
someone that does like a normal I don't. I don't
particularly want to date someone in this world, but it's
so hard.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I want to understands it though. Otherwise it's so hard
when you date a normal, they're gonna be like a
water fucking circus. You need someone who gets it. But
you want that person that's in the media but hates
posting on social media.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, like not a boy that takes shirtlet videos, shirtless
videos and puts them online.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I don't think any man can post tiktoks and not
be in it.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think like when boys are singing to tiktoks, like
singing to songs, not the scene, it's something that just
viscerally makes my body react, Like I you can be
the most gorgeous man in the whole world, and I'll
see you like on Instagram and I'll be like, Wow,
this guy's gorgeous. Go find his TikTok and he's lip
syncing to songs. And I'm like, it's.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
The ones that do the lip biting, the like like
one eyebrow and the like my clips shriveled up, Like yes, okay,
you do you do look because you're a good looking man.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
But I'm like I could never be like okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But even if some because the thing is what I've learned,
is it soone exists. If a guy's hot, I think
they could they you overlook them, You're like you're cute
or up, and then all they.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Like, that's me.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
When you break up rows, colored glass off, then they're
a massive it. But when you actually think about the mindset,
why is that guy doing that? They want the attention.
That's gonna fuck up your relationship. If a man needs
so much external validation, he will.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Always need that.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, because it's like I'm dating you, why are you
still posting first traps on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And I can do it with some of a girl, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
But also I can't even be fucked posting that many
for the first straps. So if they're always posting first traps,
like then it's like, who's the girl here?

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Like I should be.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You should be taking the photos of me, not now
can you take a photo of me?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I was Actually I think I'm having this conversation before.
That's why I don't want to date some of the industry.
It's like, oh, he's taking all these photos of me,
and he goes, Okay, my turn.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I go, whoa, it's never your turn.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'll take cando photos of you, I'll take candid photos
of you, but I'm not getting out my G seven
X and taking a photoshoot of my boyfriend in front
of like the Sanderini Hills.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I wanted to be because I forced him. I missed
the days when I used to be like get in,
like get in the photo and he'd be like kicking
his feet. I don't want to get in the photo.
I want to make the do it for you.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, that will do it for me.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's I mean if his lips thinking is because I've
made him lipsyn next to me, to me, yeah, and
then that's cute because he.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Was an unwilling participant. Yeah all right, Jamie. So you're
the queen of saying it how it is on maths.
So what's your biggest hear me out?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
My hearing out that I always say to me in
probably the red flag category with me that I don't
think someone who has a dog makes them more attractive.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's less appealing to me. And why is it less?
I'm not a dog person. You like dogs at all?
Do you? I'm just not a pet person.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I do have a phobia of dogs, okay, but I'm
also a German phobe. So it just there's so many
things it just doesn't work with me. I also hate
how restricting it is when you have a pet. I
see that when I have children. Call like, but at
least you can kind of take your children with your overseas.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, you can't take your dog to Euro's.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
A lot of things, so like when I would be
on dating apps and stuff like that, and guys obviously
use their dogs as like I guess, like some sort
of peniss Like.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
The first photo is like them bending down with like
a big german shepherd and it's like, bet that's not even.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yours, probably not rented.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Your friends are holding the lead outside the phote.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's just like pimp my tin Dolly dogs.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I always do think dogs make them but classic though
I know.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So I'd be literally like scrolling with your friend with
my friends like, oh, that's so cute for the dog.
But it's like a great thing for like just unattractive
people to shove a dog in the face.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's it is that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
All the women who love dogs are like, oh, but
it's so cute, just like when men hold babies.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
They are so hot when they hold a baby. Yeah,
but yeah, I'm like, can I argue with that?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
My hormones, my uterus is like leaping out, like I razy,
it's sulling me a dream.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Jamie's basically telling you that if you're an average looking man,
you need a dog.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah more for the dog people. Doesn't work for me
than your average and have a dog.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
And nothing do I actually think there is something appealing
man having an animal because it's like they can look
after an animal and it shows a little bit of
responsibility almost that's why we are.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I'm all looking. But that's the me.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I am the cheese sands alone. Because everyone loves dogs.
I'm the only freak that doesn't love dogs.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
But I don't care.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, I'm like anyone that says I don't have a pet.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I want to lick you from your toasthir.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It is also like I can't date you because we
can't go on a big holiday because you've got a dog. Yeah,
but I think I have been bamboozled by the dog man,
like I see it as appealing. And I also think
like you're walking your dog, because I sometimes would walk
like my mum's dog a lot less, like I'm not
going to be out here and saying like will my
mum's dog once a week? I walk it like once
every six months if I absolutely have to see, I
can't be bothered.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And also like I'm gonna put it out here.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
When a man has a dog, you do not have
their full attention and that drives me nuts. Yeah you know,
it's like, oh, we got a feet the dog do
this like I want to be fed, I want to
go for a walk.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I also want to say, though, what type of dog
they have makes a really big difference for me. Someone
who thinks a boy having a dog is nice.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
If it's a little.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Dog, get the fuck out of my face, because I
don't like little dogs on a good gange.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
If like, because I like a bit of a big
like I want like a German shepherd or like you
m a big dog or Rhodesian ridgeback, like if you
have something with oodle I would rather do. That's kind
of you. No, I don't like little dogs already. I
have a thing.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I think they're domesticated rats. I think they're yuppy. They scratch.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
My life started from a chuala. So let's there.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
We go, well man and get a big dog or
don't get one of It's basically what we're saying. Okay,
I have a heme out for you. Oh go, So
almond milk is out and drinking a whole.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Milk is the new niche? What milk do you drink?
Oat milk? So both those satements.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm a whole milk girlie, and I actually feel special.
I'm like I'm one of you you.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
These days, as in, you drink cows milk. I drink
cow's milk. How you? Yeah, I am exactly it is
do they sell everywhere? They do?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I drink normal Like that is a full cream latte
sitting right there.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh so you just want to go against the grain.
Are you an Aquarius two or something?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'm a Leo? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Interesting because I like fight against conformity.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Right. No, oat milk. I love oat milk.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I feel like whole milk to milk is what vodka
is to alcohol.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Vodka is like.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
The basic standard plain, and then tequila is just voka
with a funny flavor to it. Almond milk is just
like normal milk with a funny flavor to it. Like
I'd rather just drink the plain. That's why I do it.
And I don't have black dest in tolerance. I don't
need to drink other stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah I don't either.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I started I started like cutting more dairy out because
I had bad acne.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
But then I'm like, this just tastes so much better
and tastes pretty good. I think it tastes like a cow.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Now I'm like, yeah, look, I try not to think
too deeply into where it's coming from, you know, but
I want you to really think about it that coming
straight out of the like.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Just marinate in your mind. All right. So let's get
into a couple of questions.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I love doing behind the scenes, behind the scenes of
reality shows, finding out how like the inner workings actually were.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So let's get into some questions.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So for those who don't know what maps is, like,
run us through what maps is?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
What the show's about? What did you do? So you
marry a stranger?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, that's essentially the concept of it. Meeting them on
your wedding day is interesting. And what's even weirder is
you meet their family, they meet your family all on
the same It's.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
They're like a fear in you of if this guy
is not my type. I still have to like give
this a good hard crap.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I was actually super calm.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
They thought something was wrong with me because they're like,
you know, you're marrying a stranger.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Shade, Why are you so calm? Because my producer has
been doing it for like years, Yeah, And I'm like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I kept saying, I think he's Australian. Think he's gonna
have tattoos. I saw a trade and I was like,
his name's Dan, And they actually pulled me aside after
and like, did you know he was gonna be a match?
I'm like no, I'm a spiritual girl. So I had
a bit of like an intuitive feeling. But two minutes
before I got out the car, I thought, what if
he's disgusting?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
What if?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Because I'm like, shit, what if they think I'm like
a really unattractive person and they've also put me with
some really unattractive because like they're pairing on what they
think matches up.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, and I feel like their equal level sort of
attracting this.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, I'm thinking like, look, I'm funny, I'm like moderately attractive.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Hey, you are not moderately attractive. You are gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'm just like I met the other brides something. There's
only so many good looking people.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
To go like how many gorgeous people are.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Because I'm like last year's cart was not my scene
at all. And then I started to worry that I
was going to get someone that was like maybe yeah,
a bit more like not my scene.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Fair enough clubs.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Imagine the type of men I'm dating, yeah, very different.
And I was like, shit, that's why I lost it
when I was walking down the aisle or a nextarl,
and I was like, she's losing her mind. But I
was like, yeah, for a second, I thought I was
about to marry Wilde be well, I'm.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Working with you. I imagine the fear of what it
could be.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, it was, And I feel it was so hard
to mask that initial reaction if you're not pleased. But
I'm surprised that, like it's very actually uncommon that you'll
see someone like visibly disappointed, So either they're masking it
really well.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh no, you see some people visibly disappointed Tim and Katie.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Tim was the one that thought he was way younger
and hotter than he actually.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Is, so he couldn't he couldn't he couldn't hide it, right,
And that's what caused the whole commotion because he was like,
don't touch me.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
But I think there's levels of you also need to
how dare you make this woman feel like that when
you're not a tea budy yourself me.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
But no matter who was at the end of my aisle,
I was going to give them a fair goya because
you know what, I'm someone I can be like he's hot,
not my type, but I can. Honestly, I'm the biggest
victims to Stockholm syndrome.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
You can lock me in a room with anyone for
longer and you'll like, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You have to hope and trust that maybe, say they're
not your type, there's a reason you.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Were matched together. Let's just kid.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I'm such a personality person. I like someone with a
robust vocabulary, good bravado, Like that's detractive.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, not even just those two words you use there.
I'm like, she's smart.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
She knows that I have a useless degree.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
You know what I actually always think though about maths
is say you see your husband you're not you know,
they're not your type, whatever, and then you go to
a in a party and you see someone else's husband
and you just go, fuck you. I wish I got
them instead. Like I feel like that would be such
a common thought process with all the people there.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I remember struggling a little bit because Dave was quieter,
but at the same time, Dave treated me so well
that I overlooked it. But I remember being like, I
wish I had like more of like Billy's banter in Dave,
because me and Billy used to so really well.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, was there any other groom that you went, fuck
I could have? I wish I had you.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I was pretty happy to have Dave in the experiment.
Definitely comparing everyone, but from personality perspective, I think I
did need someone a bit more extroverted.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
So like even like when I did partner swap and
I stayed with Adrian, they were such a good couple
of days, and me and Adrian were both like shit, like,
maybe we don't have as much in common with our
partners as we thought.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I think that's when I realized, like, yeah, I think
there's things that could have been suited to other people.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, absolutely, what made you want to apply?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I wanted to have children, like yesterday, I've always wanted
to be a mom my taste in men's trash. Yeah,
so I literally thought like I always I always like
wanted to be on TV when I was younger, and
then I let that dream die and you just like
continue your life. And I was just so I was
so miserable in my like office shop.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I was like something so off and I'm a.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Spiritual galie and I was literally like, guys, what the
fuck am I doing?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Like something's like something like I'm related to change. Yeah,
I needed a change.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
And then I had this thought about maths and I
remember thinking like when do they even film? When do
you no idea? Googled it that was taking applications.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm like nah. And then I was like fuck it.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You were like and then I thought, I'm gonna have
it all. I'm gonna have a career, I'm gonna have
a husband, have kids, like.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm gonna get all these things in one folk swoop.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah that's I was like, because it can, it can
happen for people, So it kind of happened for me.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Was there any other dating shows you were contemplating, like
The Bachelor or Love Island.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm not a Love Island person. Yeah, I also don't
want to walk around in a bikini.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
On National I think she's the thing like no disrespect.
But I'm not just someone who is like purely like
aesthetic striven. I feel like Love Island is very like
aesthetic striven.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I definitely can like picking people based on I guess
initially looks, and so she's a lot of the guys
that come on, Yeah, they're looking at like, you know,
essentially who they want to root.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, I think the whole like Love Island obviously, you know,
I've had them reach out to me a couple of times,
but my one big stop is.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Like, I actually can't be in a bikini on television,
do you know what I mean? Yeah, I feel like
it would be it's so hard not to.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Compare yourself in a setting like that when everyone's like
in the bikinis every single day. And yeah, I just
the kissing challenges, the heart rate challenges, the strip teasers.
I'm like, I just could never go to the people
that can. I wish I could, because I feel like
an experience like that would be like once in a lifetime,
But yeah, I could never do it.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I think, Look, TV shows are such an incredibly unique experience,
like they're raugh, but go do. But I think I'm like,
I'm twenty nine. I don't think I was going to
start getting in bikinis now and go Love Island. I
think I'm too old to be on Love Island too.
You have to be like under twenty five.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Really, thank god, I.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Feel like it's gotten younger. When I see like an eighteen.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Year old on there, I'm like, yeah, I see, my
eggs are way past their prime. Just that's I mean,
So for me, I'm like that would have been the
step back because I just don't believe I would have
found my genuine person are on there. I don't think
that were going to be a love island. But Maths
I was like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Maybe Maths is my my calling. Maths hit me up.
I kind of want to just like meet that one
person and give it a go, you know. I mean
that's the thing I like, is they have to stay
with you. It's not you. I hate it if because,
like you know, like.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
The photo lineup challenge that they do on Maths every year,
it's like the first challenge ever.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I refuse to do it. I said, I don't break
people on their appearances.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's not my I think it's such an unnecessary challenge
that fuels arguments like I actually don't understand why, but
it's just stressful.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
There's always someone's going to feel really shit, Like I
hated seeing like any of the girls towards the end.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Beca that's the person going to feel that's at the end,
do you know what I mean? I honestly think maybe
they can be like put your top three up or something,
But do we need to be going like this is my.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Worst Yeah, no, I don't. I don't. I didn't like
it at all. I didn't do that. You didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No, I just did them in groups of people I
spoke to. I'm like, I haven't spoken to these four,
but I've spoken to these four.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
And what I liked about them as people.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And obviously Dave was at the top, and Dave only
did his like top five or something like that. Okay, good,
so he didn't rank the No, so they didn't even
show us because they're like losers.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
But yeah, no, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And yeah, I just wouldn't thrive in an environment where
people have to pick and choose because I'm someone people
realize at the end, I'm the real winner.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I take.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'm like something you warm up to, like the first
inner party, everyone's like she's nuts. But then at the end,
probably everyone would have loved to.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Be like the people's princess. Everyone would have loved to
have had me exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
But that's I mean, like, I'm I'm rough around the
edges on first impression, but give it a minute, then
you'll realize.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Talk us through the application process. How long did it
go for and I'm like, what did you have to do?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Mine was suit.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
My application process was super quick. I applied like a
lot of people get scouted. Well, so they say, who
fucking knows? I feel like most people just say I scout,
like I was scouted.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I feel like they've messaged so many people though to
say they do, but so weak.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
They have like over thirty thousand applicants, so like, obviously
they've got like an idea of I guess who they
want if you're reaching out so many people. And then
I think it was like less than two weeks later,
I had a phone call.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Then the next day are you so excited?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I was kind of like, okay, but I just him
thinking of it because I'm just like, look, let's see
because I actually think ages ago I got a call,
which it probably would have been for Aussie shore now
that I'm thinking no, no, because the way they were
saying it sounded like it was.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Going to be. Actually got a text for Ossie Shaw
as well. I think now that I'm thinking about it,
they wouldn't say what it wants. But it was a
dream show, a party show, party show. Yeah, imagine if
we were.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Everyone's going on but I'm like, look, I love having
some drinks on the weekend, but there's absolutely no chance
I can be pissed hunk every day.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
No, and having people feel me like if I'm drunk,
I don't even want to see my best friends.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
It'll ten second video of me that night to happen.
To have my in the house. No, that's my big thing.
The Jordan's Shorehouse.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
They always used to throw food and have food fights,
and I'm like, like.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I would be the biggest bitch about this disgusting, put
your fucking clothes back on, stop drinking by going to
fucking meditate today and nothing this Like, I just wouldn't
ud lose my mind.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
There's a few people that can have a setting like that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I feel like it's actually the goals on there different
if you've seen Ossie Shore, Yeah, these bitches are while Yeah.
I watched the first couple of episodes and I actually
didn't add for it, and they wanted to like see
my reaction, and I'm thinking, like, oh, it's not going
to be that big. I'm gonna have to like fake
these reactions. I watch this show and I'm like, holy.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Fucking and horny so easy, and I'm not like that either,
So I don't think I firstly can't drink two days
in a row. I can't be in a house with mess. Food.
Mess especially is like my one.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Thing that like I can't deal with, Like if a
kitchens dirty, it's like, especially if it's someone else's ship
and I'm not someone that's constantly haunting, I feel like
I would end up actually being boring and like someone
that everyone's like get off.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
No, they would vote me off that island? Do they
do they but just leave? Just leave your time's done.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I think I'd be better like being the like
the boss that comes in and tells them, hey, you
got a job today, I'll do that.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah. Did they have to do jobs on Yore?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
And they were like the worst shops over there, like
in like fish factories and.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's all just TV?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Do you think they actually needed like they would have
been like, let's just pick the worst fucking jobs they can.
They pick the worst shops for entertainment values and they hungover. Yeah,
let's talk a bit more about your wedding. Did you
get to say in any part of the wedding or
was it all just a surprise when you got there.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
So the dress I tried on was the first dress.
The dress shows the first one you tried on. Yes, yes,
we got that.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
My god, this chat like has hooked me now, which
I was really lucky because I sent them three options
and I was lucky they picked the one I wanted.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
So it's not even that much of a say that,
like you have three options of like dress.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Dresses still need to get approved because they see every
other bride and they want everyone to have a unique dress, right, Okay,
So I was lucky that one got approved, and yeah,
that's about it. You've got no idea what's going on.
They don't tell you the location. I was pissed when
I saw my flowers because they were like these purple,

(26:42):
hideous flowers. And I'm like, I'm the youngest bride in
you and you give me lady flowers, my youngest. That
was like my diva moment. I'm like, it's great, I'm
getting married in a fucking park, Like that's what's happening
right now.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'm just in a park that was just the most
hideous flowers.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, but like it was actually really nice ceremony, yeah,
and reception, but.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, you have no say and how many people do
you get to like invite?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
When I had eight people, so it's really small. Why
do I think the weddings had like fifty people? Yeah,
it's such an illusion.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
What the fuck is there's like sixteen people that some
are less than because I remember the covid ones being like.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Really really little and weird. But when it was just
the couples, actually yeah, because you couldn't. You couldn't, you
couldn't have anyone, like I thought there was way more
when they like you see the receptions, it seems like
there's a lot more people. It's the biggest optical illusion.
That's crazy. It's like the vibes are like not as
high as they ever. It's more crew right.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Then there are like that's like, so we have a
million crew members because it's only one wedding filmed each
day because it's like an all hands on deck kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
So there's a lot of crew.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's crazy. So talk us a bit through the wedding day.
What were some of the craziest moments you think for you.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It was just surreal. I feel like you're happy. Yeah,
I was happy. I think once I saw Dave and
I was like, they've listened to what I've said. I
kept saying, necktat, necktat, hand tap, you know what.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I everywhere?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
You know, he was a training Like a lot of
things I asked for I received. So for me, I
was like, they're not making an example out of me.
They're not trying to stitch me up. So I was
just genuinely excited because I'm like, I'm going to give
this such a fair goah. So I was just pretty
much excited. And then like it was weird. It's like
I don't know if our families were drunk, but like
everyone was like it was like a love first Like

(28:33):
my mom loved his mom. Everyone's like cheering, Everyone's.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Like this, you just would have been on cloud nine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It was like it was the best day ever. And
I was like I've got a whole husband. And then
I just slipped into a girl. I went from like
chronically single, yo, babe, babe babe, like just adopted this husband.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm like, that's the way to do it. I need
to apply for maps because like there are some real
success stories that do come out of it.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
But I feel like that's the same for almost any show.
There's always going to be one out of like fifty
that it's minimal.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
But I can say, like it's really concerning the type
of people they cast on reality TV shows.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, the men because they need the drama. They can't
pick fucking twelve perfectly normal, healthy individuals.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, they too.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
But also, like the most jarring thing is I thought
I was going to go on and be with a
bunch of influencer women that we're going to like love
the cloud.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, it was the men that like the cloud.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
More men loved the cloud, calling paps the photos.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
That it was just like I feel like, yeah, the
couple months following Maths, it was like my whole for
you page was like people taking shots at each other
through chiktok and everything, and I'm like, it's the men.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
It's the men.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The women were all trying to make it work, like,
don't wrote that all of us. Sure, we want the
platform that comes with it, because like, you have to
want both.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Do not go on masks.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
If you just want a love story, it is not
worth it because you're going to get trolled online. You're
gonna like your mental health is gonna take an absolute beating,
and there's a good chance you won't end up with
your partner, so you need to want both. But like,
my god, we're all trying to make it work with
these men and they're like, I want airtime and you're
like you already have to get a following blue.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Tic no literally blue tick pictures. Goddamn?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
How long did filming days usually run once the wedding
was done and you were living ta This is.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Like where honestly, my mind is so cooked thinking about this.
So when you come back from your honeymoons, you first
dinner party, the first few weeks are really like high
intensitve for filming because you're doing all your tasks, all
the new stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Of living, like all the like getting used to living
with each other.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
So what would happen is you always get a message
to night before.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's when they tell you if you've got like a dinner.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Party yep, or just you're just waking up, so they'd
be like, hey, be in bed for eight thirty am
wake ups or they'd be like, be makeup ready. Then
you kind of know what if you've got a task
first thing of doing wakeups. Most mornings you have wake ups,
and that's my That was my favorite.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Job in the world.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Really imagine someone saying, all you have to do is
be in bed, So you best believe that camera crew
was waking me up. I'm just sleeping ten hours a night,
and that's because I had.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
No job to wake up to. My job was being
in bed.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I'm like, well, it's so funny because like all
the other girls get up like that someone get ready
for full life. Yeah, because like we would get up
like five am. So she's like had to run cook breakfast,
like done it all.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Like the camera crew is the reason I'm opening.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, and like you know, so like all of them
will like do little touches, but like they sliways say
like don't my makeup, don't make up, make it look natural,
but yeah, it couldn't get more natural than me.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I didn't even brush my hair and teeth, like they
just come in.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm like, okay, guys, was that then, like from that
moment till like when you go to bed, you're being
filmed all day.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
No, so that block could last for who knows, Like
I could be doing my wake ups and it could
just be literally like I'll start making my breakfast.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Me and Dave will chit chat and I'll be.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Like, cool, we'll see you in two hours, or it
could be like we're still filming, then a tough comes in,
but then they might film my task after because it's
only like a certain amount of crew, so they all rotate.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So you didn't have someone with you all day. No, no, no,
do you find it challenging?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
There were moments where it was hard to form a
connection with a camera crew sitting there, like having those
deep conversations knowing that there's someone filming it and putting.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
It on TV.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I must be a psychopath. You didn't even I didn't
care at all.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I literally if I had to sit there and talk
about like every nook and crowning of my vagina and
from the cameraman.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
You'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I don't care because I feel like I always watched
like Love Island and stuff, and it's like flirting, like
flirting with someone knowing it's going to be put on
national television like that to me is terrifying, And I
feel like it's similar you're trying to build a connection
or the intimacy week challenges knowing that there's like the
whole world is seeing that.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
But see, I'm so glad I didn't have to kiss
Save on camera because I didn't like the idea of
pashing anyone on camera.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, I thought that's when bit ORKI. Yeah, but was really.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Weird because they took me to a laingderie shop for
my Intimacy Week challenge, which I asked for a letter
from Dave, and they're like, well, you guys are already
knocking boots, you may as well go to a launderie saw.
And I was so scared to put my undies on
for the cameraman and the audio guy.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I know when you're talking. I watched that part like
this is really awkward. They're like married.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Men, I mean, and you're like this boudoir Like, I mean,
thank god, the body was fucking good. I looked on
that day. I was like, thank god. I'm usually a
pale bitch during the week, so I was like thank god.
But yeah, that part was probably the most award. And
so they let me have my blazer on when I
showed Dave, because like.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Let you you're allowed to wear your blazer while you
get naked in lingerie on TV.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I mean, yeah, obviously everything's consented, but I was like, yeah,
I was like I kind of would prefer for have
that on because all I was thinking is.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Like I have to tell my dad not to watch. Yeah,
fuck and didn't. He wouldn't have if you asked him not.
He didn't watch it into S week, No I did.
I'm like bad enough. My brother saw it. Oh I
feel like my brother would almost such a girl like
just skip over. No totally, I can't. We'll go you
you looked amazing. Thank you. I'm watching it back for you, like, yeah,

(34:14):
I look good.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I was like, thank god, because I was so Skecuse
I remember that week online like Karina got absolutely ripped
apart for her like little S and M kind of
scene she had going on. I was like, I'm going
to believe they showed that on because I didn't know
what she was doing in her apartment. Yeah, I didn't
know people like licking cream off each other because I'm.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like, I asked for a love a love letter. Yeah
you have words.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, she's like, you know, you know, whips and chains
and everything like sites.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Was Billy's massage.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I was like, Billy looked like the most amazing husband
until that oil came out, Like but like, I'm not
being funny.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I know what's same because it's like I felt really
bad for what was her name the way Sierra.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I'm a fan of her.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't have much empathy for Sierra.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Not in that moment.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I was like, like, what was he trying to do?
Like just like make her disappear or something.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
He's chanting secret words while it's going like I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Know what he thought she was gonna do? Like was
he fearing for his life?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I think there would have probably when you watch a
sense of he probably just wasn't comfortable.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
But a hundred percent, but like, my gosh, she's not
like she's not like gonna suck your soul out.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Do you think there are moments where you can be like, no,
I'm not doing this, I'm not comfortable.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Oh, there's moments you do have a say, and I
there's there was definitely pushback on things, but I'm like no,
the most part, I'm like a pretty good.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
You're like fuck it, let's just do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
How much do the producers get a say in everything
that's like going on?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Produces your narrative, so you are essentially you can't make
You're like picking the destination. They're like steering the wheel?
Should it be the opposite way around?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I think that's correct. Like you're like, this is what
we're doing, and they're like, oh, do this a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, they're like helping you take the best route.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, they want it to be good TV. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
So the thing is like if you are saying in
your talking to camera moments, I don't like Jackie. Jackie's
doing this, this, this, this, this, then they're going to
be like, Okay, well are you going to say something
to Jackie tonight? They're going to ask questions.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Likely to say something to Jackie tonight? Plea.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, they're asking questions and they're guiding you, and they're
giving that encouraging said like they're trying to tell the story.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
They're like, if you don't like Jackie, we need to
find a way to let the world also know that
like you.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, there's otherwise it's just a waste of camera time.
If you're just like, it's not a bitch session for
behind closed doors. You're supposed to like drew something with information?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Do you find it's edited and produced as much as
people think it is? Like do you find they put
words in your mouth like crop things you say and
make it sound different or is it.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like that again?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think everyone has a story. Everything you saw on
TV was everyone's story if they weren't fabricated.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
That's how things pay. They can't make you look bad
if you're not acting.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Fucking matter, but they I think they do put emphasis
on certain scenes. They might again make everyone's reaction look
a bit stronger here, but again because they're trying to
paint that story of what happened.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Do you think there are people that get a villain
and edit.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Assholes like fuck this villain editor. I hate hearing it.
When you're a good wife husband, they can't make you
look they can't. They can't. I said to everyone, stop
caring what the public things. Stop caring what everyone the
dinner party thinks. Care about what your partner thinks.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, because you're still here trying to potentially.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
You and him are going good and there's no and
there's no issues. And he says she's a good wife,
and I say he's a good husband.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
What does anyone have to pick up? You're doing your
thing totally.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I feel like the and edit it's probably not as
like you don't see that as much on a show
like that, But I feel like they definitely can typecast
people like think they're allowed and be like we're gonna
make you look like shit.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
But again, like you just have to be an arsehole.
Don't forget there's there's things that they they could make.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
All of us look worse. To me, yeah, they definitely could.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like we are talking to the wheels of the morning,
the things that are coming out of our mouths, like
I said some fucked up shit, I told Veronica to
suck my dick.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, but I feel like that's just how I worry,
Like the way I like talk with my friends or
like I talk with people. I'm like, fuck, they could
really make you look bad.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh, they could include it, But at the same time,
again when they look at like say the story for
Dave and I, the story was I was a good wife,
I had good friends. Yes, I had drama, So for
them trying to villify me would make no sense. Yep, No, totally,
Like they showed my job, but they showed Margarets, but
just putting random shit of me, like crashing out because
I'm sleepy one day, but it doesn't affect my relationship

(38:56):
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
In people are very critical of the three experts. What
was your experience with them? I knew what they were
talking about, or do you think they're just three random
people that are just like commenting on what's going on.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I do think they had some valuable imput the experts.
I think Daddy John is remarkable when he's on fire,
like Mariah, like, he's my kind of man, because I'm
someone who's very direct, no bullshit.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I loved it. I loved when he just a viscerats
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And watching him a miserate people. Sometimes you like, as viewers,
you see what's going on and you just want them
to like avisserrate. I feel like they could have gone
so much harder. They look so soft this year for
certain things.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I was like, but then when I had to be
in the hot seat, then all of a sudden, they're like, let's.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Go super hard on her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I don't support online bullying, no, but I'm also so
glad alessandle copped her for what she did to me,
because that was fucking horrendous.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Can you tell us a little bit about what she
did do?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So when after I had retreat drama, which like when
retreat drama kicked off, and this is the first time
the group was split into because Dave and I were
pretty much like in the center of everyone, like we
were friends with everyone. Once I was split into and
the girl drama really started with Kreana and myself in particular,

(40:15):
it got very out of hand. The thing is, I'm
so glad now, like the inter and the audience were
able to be like, what's wrong with Kreana? Why didn't
she take Jamie's side? Why do you defend Jamie? But
at the time I felt like that, I'm like, why
can no one.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
See like I defend people all the.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Time intentions And I'm like, she's like, essentially like gas
slighting me into believing that the version of events that
happened didn't happen. She's trying to say, Lauren, wasn't that
bad Jamie, you were being aggressive, And I'm like, what
the hell? Like being misunderstood is my trigger? I have
the best intentions, So for me, yeah, it's so frustrating
when I'm sitting at a campfire, pretty much I have

(40:55):
a grown man telling me shut the fuck up, shut
the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
But then I've got Krea saying you're being aggressive.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's like, I just think also, when you put so
much time and effort to defending people, not getting that
energy back is like so heartbreaking sometimes because you're like,
why do I not deserve that back with after everything
I've said for you. I feel like me as a person,
actually that happens to me quite a lot because I
also I am quite loud, and yeah, my delivery is not great,
but it's like, you protect the people you love and

(41:20):
then having someone not give that back is really challenging.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It was like it was, honestly, I felt like even
more challenging than what I went through with Dave. Yeah,
because for me, it brought up a lot of past trauma. Yeah,
because I've dealt with that before. I'm glad I did
go through it because it was something that a lot
of people reached out to me because of it, because
it was something really relatable, and I'm glad people didn't

(41:43):
feel so alone in that feeling because it is really shitty.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
But yeah, that threw me through a loop.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
And so then when I went to the dinner party
and I'm getting cold a mean girl, and then again
like Crane is just not understanding and still vilifying me
and like Lauren's not even here, like I thought I
was going to come into me, like.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I'm so I'm so sorry I handled that wrong.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I was so so devastated, Like after that bonfire retreat,
I went into my room and I didn't leave it
until just before we left retreat because I couldn't stop
crying all morning. Jackie, Adrian and Athena came and visited me.
Ronica apologized to me, Paul apologized to me.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Elliott I was hanging out.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
With him, but like, re went apologize to me off camera,
and I said, you're not going to do this off
camera because you always have my back off camera, Like
you need to do this on camera. And then producers said, look,
don't speak to anyone for the next few days and
sort out dinner party, and I said, I agree.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, They're like let's get all the drama on there.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
But like I was like, I agree, I'm not having
more people because everyone behind the behind closed doors, because
I think people were starting to think maybe I was
going to be the villain.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
And they were like, we don't want people to see
us aligning with the villain.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, and I'm just like I think that's where because
for some reason, It's like Karina Remybe thought Lauren was
because Elliott was the villain. Yeah, so I think we
thought Lauren was actually not the villain, and so they
had this soft spot for her.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
But I'm like, you guys have got it so wrong. Yeah.
So luckily the way it was all played out of
the TV.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like thinking like, yeah, this woman's just a cunch like offense,
like she's stuff she.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Said about some other people. I feel like it can
only really be she just.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Had such an elitist attitude and she was just so awful.
So yeah, when we went to dinner party, it went
super out of hands. But like in that moment, I
don't I didn't regret anything, Like when I'm done with someone,
I don't care, So I didn't care what I said
to Greener. The way I talked to Ree was very different.
When I talked to Greene, I'm like, you're not my friend,
you can go fuck off. But then obviously I had

(43:41):
to copy it from the experts when it was my
turn to sit down because my behavior was mean and
da da da, But Alessandra rode me so hard that
I literally thought I was the mean girl. I've got
it wrong. I felt gussy and you're like, whoah am I.
Then I couldn't stop crying, like I had a breakdown
at the commitment ceremony. I was like crying on Carena

(44:04):
pretty much because they made me feel like I was
the worst person ever.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Something.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I'm copying it more than Adrian, copying more than Pole,
and I'm just like shit. So it wasn't until reunion
they actually played what happened at the retreat and the
experts apologized to me.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Thank fuck, that would have been so validated. It was
so vindicating.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I wish I actually played that, but it was unreal
to see the audience's response and for everyone to rally
around me online because so lost it that I felt
like the worst person ever. And I was like, thank god,
I knew I wasn't insane, Like I knew this woman
was in the wrong, Like I knew my feelings were valid,

(44:47):
like sure my like I didn't handle myself well, but.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Like I'm sorry, I'm just a game all the time,
Like I will pop someone with my words, like it happens,
it happens. How long do the dinner parties tend to last?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Because I feel like there's so much packed into those
that episode.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
How long are you sitting there? I didn't have a
phone on me to really know, you don't even know.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So usually you get you do your in the apartment,
you know, when you're talking to your man's you're like hey, like,
oh yeah, I wonder what's going with this couple. This couple,
this couple that could be filmed at ten in the morning.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Oh shit, okay, so like really early.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
But then they leave you for hours, Like you kind
of have your food what not, You have a cheeky
dart on the balcony.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
What if you want to do in that time? Up
to you?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, usually we like run out and get a muscle,
chef meals ye speak, and just try to eat as
much as you can before and then you try and
eat before the dinner party because you won't eat for
fucking ages. Oh really yeah, ages, Like, so you try
to eat as much as you can and like grab
a bunch of stuff like snacks, sprink.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
God with the dinner parties being like as long as
they were.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
If I'd gotten cut off in the first like hour,
I'd be sitting there like actually fucking die, like I
don't want.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
To be here. It would take like you'd have to
be like really really really really drunk to have them.
Would they cut people off regularly?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, all the time. Again, they just can't have you
intoxicate on TV. So if you're showing any signs, they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Cut you off. YEA.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Cars usually start they it's one couple of time, will
go they start aging. Yeah, I think around like three
o'clock they'd start.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh, like it's like a whole school day.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, and then you get then I remember like arriving like,
oh my gosh, they fielm me come out of the car,
You kiss your man, and you're gonna walk into the
cockpit part No, you walk into a tent.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
A tent, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
They have like little tents inside the studio and you're
all in a separate tent and you're all in separate
ones next to each other. The worst is if you
are not speaking to your husband and you sit in
a tent by yourself, because you could be in that
tenth for four hours before you go into it with
no party, with no phone.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Do they give you like a deck of cards or something?
They actually do. They've got like old coloring in books.
Oh my god. The next.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I used to bring a sadoku, Dave or a game boy.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Oh yeah, so you can bring like something like.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
And then see drinks sometimes, but that's when yeah, Dave
did get cut off.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
It's too drunk because he's been drinking in the tent.
Yeah a k a ape cheeky drink. Yeah. Yeah. It's
like just like because you can't vape e. It's like
you're not allowed to talk to the people in the tent,
but you can't, but you would you like pull it down.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Someone came because there's like it's like being in prison
because there's like there's all these like crew members, Like
it's so interesting, like but then you got like little
like packets of shapes and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
To eat, like and you're like scoffing these shapes.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, that's so funny, and like two chairs.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
And then when they start like pulling people to enter, you.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Like oh yeah, and there's yeah, you're like thank God.
And then but then you'll be waiting on the other
side of the door. Pop for another ten fifteen minutes
will actually let you in.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
God.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I feel like that needs to be workshopped because that's
a process.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It is a process. But like I'm it's all about
the view on. The viewer has no idea. It's so seamless.
But then when they go okay, dinner serves, you get
a walks and then stop. Everyone goes back to the
tent and you do your voxy so you're talking to
camera and you have to go through every single person.
So when there's full house, that can take hours.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Before you even get dinner. So they go dinner is served,
and then it can be like.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, because it's usually it's still usually still light out
when they say dinner serve, so it's I think it's
still about like six seven, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Then we actually go on sinner.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
It's nighttime, so I reckon we go into about dinner
maybe around eight nine. But the first dinner party, I know,
we finish dinner, we did our voxy because you do
voxes after your dinner party as well, and then we left.
That was about two thirty, and I remember I am
I am shit Fuzy someone from the old cast, because Dave,

(48:51):
you speak to a few people from the old cast
and they're like, oh, that's pretty early because sometimes basically
when it was light out.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So you're like pulling all nighters. Yeah, people are hungry
people tie.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
We were so fucking wild. We started smashing out every
dinner party with Lee before midnight. They would actually cut
us off, but no, no, we're done, and like we're
not finished.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yet, like I still have shit to say. Yeah, we
just we were like we've got shipped to say.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
We got really comfortable because we actually all got busted
hanging out off camera and that's a big no no.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Because they need what you're gonna say. They need that film.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And we had the entire cast with Daily Mail, which
is another big no no. And we got our asses
handed to us, and I remember they were like, you
better fucking bring it this dinner party. There was the
second dinner party, and so we got so comfortable. Australia
was soon sit down. Hey I heard this, I let's
just get this out. So and so then we just
started smashing it out like yeah, it was just like

(49:44):
straight in.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
No lube quote by Jamie. Obviously, I didn't want to
get too much into Dave because I'm like, that's not
your whole math story, do you know what I mean?
But what's your relationship like with Dave? Dave and I
had no contact.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I respected gum, It's.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Not I wanted to say friends with him, and I
think he did too. That was like kind of important.
Sometimes I feel like it hurts so much it gets complicated.
It definitely gets complicated. Yeah, I remember, like when it
first was airing, was very easy to be friends, Like,
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
You see all those nights.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh my gosh, like we are like the best couple ever, Like, oh,
I love this.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
How funny was this episode?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
You know, Dave's someone who loves being loved. He loved
being the Golden boy, and.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
You would have been such a good wife to him
and just made him feel.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Like, yes, the public was loving Dave and so he
was my mum's favorite.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, he felt amazing.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
And then when our relationship turned, I feel like he
almost blamed me.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I think it was just frustrating for everyone to watch
because what you said I think was so true is
when were you going to let me know that you
weren't feeling the same feelings? Like would we have just
continued on forever? But I didn't say something he was
that was like even frustrating as a viewer. I'm like,
is there a reason why you never felt like you
could say it?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, he was just coasting through I think. Then that's
what was really hard for me, and what frustrates me
so much is people in the audience going, you can't
make him fall in love with you.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I'm like, no one has asked him. Sit down, Rebecca, Like,
that's not all I said.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I said, I.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Don't care if you don't find me attractive. If you're
not in just tell me, Just tell me. People were
so confused in the audience, like saying I was begging
him to be in love with me. No, I just
want to just want to answer. I'm like, don't sell
me a dream, build a future with me. If you're
not into me, I just need to know. And then
I said, I haven't told him off camera. If you're

(51:41):
into me, just tell me off camera, and we like,
we can figure it out if you don't want it
to be a public fair.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
But I feel like it's so challenging as well for
you to be the one that's in pain and all
this stuff, yet you're the one that has to literally
pull it out.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Of this match.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, And that's what was so frustrating with the Dave
cult followers that were like villifying me in the process.
I'm like, I'm just a girl that fell for a
boy who lied to me.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Before.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Okay, So like I'm like, I'm not the bad guy here.
I'm literally I'm doing the most for Dave. I like,
I literally stuck around and made him look better, even
though it was chilling me being there because I'm like
every day I'm like, he's not into me.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
He's not into me.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
He's not into me, but he's like feeding me these
lies and everyone's going, Jane, but he's saying he cares
about you. You know you're going to look like So yeah,
when it did air and the public started turning on him,
it's like he blamed me, But I'm like, this is
what you actually, I'm like, forget about the public. Now
that you've seen what you put me through, do you
like have empathy? Like the first the dinner party where

(52:43):
it all went really like sour for us, like he did,
I said to him because I saw it beforehand, and
I was like, I hope to God you called me
tonight and apologize for what you put me through because
that was so hard to watch back.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
And he did.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
He apologized, but then all of a sudden, in his
like press, he just started like blaming Adrian like shifting blame.
It's yeah, hard to speak to Jamie.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Like taking accountability is so fuckingtant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I feel like he read the comments section of people
that didn't like me and try to pick those as
like reasons. Yeah right, and I'm like, I didn't let
you speak, Like, dude, we were on a couch and
I'm going.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
And you're like.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
They literally posted it on Instagram. The Math's account posts
on Instagram. The science is definitely didn't let you speak.
I was begging for you to say anything.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, and you're.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Permanent fucking smoker. I'm like, bro, and that's that's.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Why I give me something, give me anything, say out loud.
I'm not. It just wasn't on his bingo car that
I was going to figure out.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Who was lying had not come up with this response yet.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, It's just it was actually really I even got
emotional watching that part of it because that's kind of
when I started watching, and it's like I just hate
that he just didn't tell you and it made you
actually ask him directly, because like I've had that and
it's like you're not here anymore with me, and then
it's like you're almost the one that's having to do
it when it's like I'm the one hurting.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
You should be telling me, you're making me ask.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
That's what the annoying thing was, because the thing is
like I came in very assertive, but at the same
time I was riddled with anxiety, knowing full well I'm
about to be heartbroken and humiliated and everyone but I
might tell me an answer, and people like again, like
the fuck wits of the world, no one I cared to,
like no associate with, feel like.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Oh my gosh, she's not letting sick. Oh she's being aggressive.
But I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Freaking out, hurting and freaking out, and I'm looking at
someone and this is my part is the scariest thing
I've ever gone through my life. Is when you look
at someone who is your safe space, who you think
you know so well, who you're like, Okay, this is
the most like, yep, everything is guaranteed, we're gonna like
end up together. To looking at someone who looks like

(54:59):
they hate you, like who are you don't know who
they are? Like you feel so unsafe. It is the
scariest feeling in the world. I looked at him and
it's like his eyes had changed, and I remember going, Dave,
it's you and me, like, look who you're right now?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Who are you? Where are you?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Like I couldn't find him in the person sitting in.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Front of me. You just wanted to like scream and
hit him and be like are you going?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Because everyone saw the husband I had, which was like
this soft man who was so right or die for
me and champion me. Like he like we left and
we were all fine. I came back and he was like,
it's like did my ex pay you to be here?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Like what the fuck is happening right now? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I felt like the ultimate revenge, Like he literally hated
me when I came back.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Well, I think no contact is good. Good riddens, wish
him the best onto more. I actually think my viewers
would listeners would kill me if I didn't ask. You're
not saying, Elliott, no, no, well you ever so okay?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
So like I am one hundred percent of authentic bitch.
I did not do a publicity stuff. No, I don't
don't think like when like Elliot and I actually got
along quite well during filming, but obviously you're not gonna
like spend that much time with someone else's husbands, you're
focusing on your own husband. But once the show was airing,
we got each other's contact details and me and him like,
we just don't stop talking, like we'll be on the

(56:21):
phone forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Like again, super platonic. So it's all just platonic.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
When we saw each other in Sydney, I was single
for the first time because I didn't date anyone during
Master or anyone.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I was with Dave and like he was obviously single.
Was like, and then we'll just.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Like we're flirters.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
We were like throw relationship out of each other, had
a little makeout. He said he should come to Gold Coast,
so I did stay with him in Gold Coast a
little bit. But unfortunately, when I'm like I'm gonna come
to Gold Coast, everyone fucking knew about it. We were
followed by peraps. We didn't say any of this up.
We never made a single dollar off this relationship that

(57:02):
was brewing, and it was just I think it kind
of ruined it because like before we even had a
chance to really think about it, it was like the
whole Internet was like you need me together, and it
kind of romanticized it more for me because I'm like, shit,
like should.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Think we're so good together? Like shit, are we good together?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
And the thing is like he's like my best friend,
Like I speak to him like every day we again
we choose to be in each other's lives.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
But he's not my person. Yeah, I'm not his person.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I can have him as a person that's like a
friendship person, you.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Know, Yeah, I find your person.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I think we were open to it one stage, trying
to explore it, but like every time we'd clash. Is
when it's something more, when we're just friends, it so works,
but when it's something more, it doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, what's your dating life in like post maps? Have
you found it easier? Harder? You find you're getting a
lot of dms.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
No, this is the tragic thing. So the only person
I really have like dated has been earlier. Right, So
it's like really grim but I did.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Just it happens. You're learning you've been through a traumatic
time too.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah, that's the thing. I going onto maths. Like I
remember like Dave and I were both like, oh, we
haven't slept with anyone for like a year because I said,
like I want to be intentional with who I sleep
with and I'm serious and so like, yes, I haven't
really spread my seed, but I did just have a
euro summer romance.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Okay, great, and that was like amazing.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That was like on a real and made me really
devo to come back hod.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Okay, well that's alright.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I feel like you kind of broke the seal there
and now you can spread your seed, yeah, I around Melbourne.
So watch out, guys, Jamie spreading our seed around Melbourne.
Get ready to catch it. All right, guys, thank you
so much, Jamie. That was so much fun. I love
hearing about all that stuff. We appreciate you and we
love you the People's princess.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yay, all right guys. Bye,