What REALLY happens on Survivor: Meet my friend Logan Johannisen!

Hear me out.. I think I'd slay Survivor! And on this episode, I've invited one of my besties Logan onto Hear Me Out to answer all of my burning questions. Logan competed on the most recent season of Australian Survivor and girl-bossed her way to 8th place!! She talks us through the casting process, what she was allowed to pack, the living and eating situation + all of the Survivor tea you didn't know you needed.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know why am I being told I shouldn't have
a can of coked night?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
And if I don't want that, I'm going to do that.
Why do I have that milk in my drink? Hi, guys,
welcome back to Hearing Me Out. I'm your host, Busy
Armatae and today we have a very special guest, a
really good friend of mine. Introduce yourself, girl.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hi, I'm Logan. I was on the recent season of
Australian Survivor and one of.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Izzy's busties and girls.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
We girl boss so hard, so glad to be here.
Thanks for having me on the biblem.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm so excited, so fun when you I have a friend,
because it's like the conversation flows so much more actually,
and it's so exciting. But there's so many little I have.
I'm like a bit of a reality TV junkie and
I love hearing the behind the scenes of reality TV.
And I've never heard about Survivor, so where can it
get into it at all? Let's dig in, babes, but
first give me a hear me out.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hear me out? Okay, hang on, We've got a list
going good.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I like to run.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
What are we starting with? All right, I'm going to
start with one that I think it is and I
will agree on hear me out. It's a big tick
to cosmetic surgery. Cosmetic surgery is self affirming care. I'm
standing on business with that. I don't care if you
get whatever done, as long as it makes.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You happy and you're doing it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You're doing it for yourself, You're not doing it for
anyone else. Don't comment on other people's surgery, don't care
about it, leave it alone if that makes that person
really happy. I got a nose.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Job, have a fake nose, and they look.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Fantastic, and it has made me the happiest like I've
ever been. I look at myself in photos and me
I'm no longer nitpicking at myself. Yeah, I mean there's
tons of things that I could be, like, could fix this,
teak this, whatever, but it was my source of contention
looking at photos myself and hating my nose, and I
think looking at myself now, I don't pick at myself.
I care so same with you, same with your little

(01:50):
bob job, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And to be honest, no one's gonna like that I
say this, but like I reckon my favorite couple of
weeks I've ever had in my life are the two
weeks following. But I don't have to do anything but
sit and read and no one expects anything of me.
That is not why I would recommend going out getting
a surgery. But it's nice.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It takes off some kindle reads. We loved it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, I think I read. I read seven books in
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
That's hot.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It is hot, girls read, girls read fantasy, romance smart,
so get onto it. But yeah, I completely agree. I
feel like there definitely is a level of it, like
I've got what I want done and I could go
for it, Like I could be like, oh I want
this and that and this and that, but it's like
these are the things, the things I've had done and
things I want to done forever and my big now
it comes to a point where I have to kind
of learn to accept myself. But my nose was something

(02:41):
in every single photo. I'm like, you can't post that, Yeah,
no fucking chance. Put that away.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
And if it makes you feel bad about yourself, like
it's self affirming, like it is care for yourself. It
makes you feel better, and I think it makes you
a better person, like not like saying like you.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Need to go out and get a prosthetic surgery to.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Be a better person. But I think it makes you
feel like you're a nicer person, you feel more holy
stick in yourself, and you feel.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You just feel I feel like I did this for me.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I did it for me. I did it for me.
I didn't do it for anyone else.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't go doing it for boyfriend's partners.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, but I also don't think you should be commenting
on anyone else's choices to make them feel better about themselves. Like,
if I'm choosing this to make me feel better about myself,
you don't get an opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And it's like, oh, you're so fake now, yeah, and
what and what?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
And I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I love it, and I chose it. I paid for it.
I know. I want to thank you for saying the
most obvious thing in the whole world I know. Or
do you have another hear me out, babes, I've got
a list, She text me and goes, these are all
just a bit bitchy. I'm not really sure I can
do it.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm like, come on, this is hard because I'm like
I'm speaking with ears, like this is like our wine
chats where I'm like, no one's going.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
To know we are getting I said, Logan, we get
through this, We'll do this, We'll give the people what
they want, and then we get to go have a
peanut gragio.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Come on, I love it. Okay, where are we going? Okay,
this is going to be a hot take, but keep
straight men out of Polarate's.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
You know what. I'm not a Plartes girl, but I
can imagine if I went and there was like a
good looking straight man there, I would be like, oh,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Want to walk in to my little hot girl from
my hot girl walk go straight into my Polarty slash
in my little matching Lulu Lemon outfit and see a
football team in there. No thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You can take the content one the less the minority
in there like it's football team and Logan and I
in the.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Back, and I'm like, I'm sweat like I'm sweating, I'm shaking,
my ass is shaking, like I don't want anyone.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I don't care paid If I walk in and there's
a football team in there, I'm turning the fackground.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
That's a girl's space.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Get out you can do for the girls. Get out private,
POLARATEI sessions together.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's hot, or you take your content, like if you're
trying to do it for TikTok and you're trying to
film some content, take it when I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Not there my space. I think if you go with
like sometimes like wives bring their husbands and it's like
a little thing they do together. Yeah, like that's okay,
But if there's more than one of you and you
congregate together, you can't be in there. Yeah no, sorry
a congregating Like my.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Brother's gone to like pilarates and yoga, and I know
that he feels like so out of place because he's
like a very well rounded guy where he likes to
do his little class past and go to different little sessions.
It's just so cute. He's great. He's single.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Guys put his Instagram in the show.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And he loves it. But I think he also feels
super uncomfortable being in a girl's space as well because
it is a female dominated area.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
He doesn't want to make girls on comfort.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, and he's very very conscious, like take it. My brother,
he's taken a class on like women's studies. He's very
for the girls, like he's not he's for the girls,
but he's not for the girls. Do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
He loves girls, but he doesn't really Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
But yeah, that's my hot take. Keep straight men out.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Of polluts, especially if you're in, if you're congruo. If
there's more than one of.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Them, yeah, if there's more than if there's more than
one of you, I don't want to see a football
team in your little footy shots in my face. I
don't care. It's funny for me to watch on TikTok.
Get out of If you.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Guys, are you in my cars? It's game over. I
watched his video on TikTok and it was about sometimes
like what are straight man do to like make women
feel more comfortable in like certain settings. And it was
that if they're walking behind a girl at night, they'll
yell out like slay girl, so they so that the
girls think they clean, so the girls think they're gay,
and therefore like aren't as feelings unsafe for having like

(06:16):
a guy walk behind them at night? And I was
so good.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's valid. I've had game and walk me home like
like Chapel Street at night, like I just ran up
to like a guy when I was walking home and
he was very obviously gay, and I was like, do
you mind walking me back to my car?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And he's like, yeah, so nice. No, absolutely, But I
think that's so funny. Or like when they're jogging and
they're like running past a woman, they'll be like hey girl,
and it's like just so they think that they and
they feel like a bit more safe. I just thought
that is so considerate, do you know what I mean?
But yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
But because how many hot takes are allowed to give you,
I want all of them. My hot take is breakfast
food sucks.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I fucking hate breakfast, but he's.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
The worst meal of the day. It's the most but
it is the worst meal of day. Why am I
confined to such a small selection for breakfast? But lunch
and dinner I can have.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
In like western countries. I know in Japan sushi for bread.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I want rice for breakfast. I want my last night's
tika masala for breakfast. But why am I being told
I shouldn't have a can of coke at night?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Am If I want to want that, I'm going to
do that. Why do I have that milk in my drink?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't drink milk.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Some guns seat will do the breakfast I don't have.
I not that that's a problem if anyone does. I'm
a four cream milk early myself. But sometimes I'm like,
I want a coke. Yeah, and I totally get that,
but so I've scooted around that I will eat last nights.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I can't fucking wait. I am bowl of bolonaise, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
But the one thing that I really hate is you
go to restaurants and it's like all day breakfast. I
don't want all day the menu for all day fucking lunch.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeh, all day breakfast at McDonald's. No, why can't I
have night.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
In the morning granola at six pm? No?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I want the day lunch.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I want to wake up at nine and go to
the cafe and be able to order a burger. That's
what I want.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
No white, it'spadood, like just one.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Eggs are disgusting.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I actually got as of last night because I made
half boiled eggs to eat before my pta and I
like have to like rush them and eat them in
like two minutes, and I'm always really late. Both the
eggs I ate that day had strings in them and
a little red blood bit and I'm like, I get
when you like make a frum. Sorry, she's like cringing
with this description. I get when you make a fried

(08:33):
egg and like sometimes the goofy white that doesn't cook
fully is a little bit stringing. But like, this is
a cooked egg with a string in it that is
in my mouth and I have to pull out. So
this morning I didn't eat eggs and they're going in
the bit.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Eggs are disgusting.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm done with eggs.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I will stand on business with this. Eggs are fucking gross.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I like eggs. I'm actually have got the eggg as
of last night while we're having this consent.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
But my question with breakfast is like why is breakfast
so small? It's such a small range. I can only
eat eggs, and the only meat you can eat bacon's bacon,
heaby sausage. I hate bacon, Like why some why people
always got really choices with.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Me, I'm like, it's got bat all over it. I
don't want it.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's until like eleven o'clock. You're lucky if you get
like a restaurant that serves you something that's not breakfast
before eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I hate that yeah, And you know what, I actually
want to know, how hard is it for a cafe
to make mushrooms not smell and taste like BeO. When
I make them at home, I put the garlic on it,
I put the salt on it. They taste incredible. But
then at restaurants it's like they just steam those bad
boys and put them in a bowl.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
They're gross. Because yeah, you're like, if I'm going to
go out and have a bracket, I may as well
have my veggies on the side and do the good thing.
And I love mushrooms, And then you go taste them
and they taste like feet.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
They're sweaty feet, honestly, And I'm like, and a little ramikan.
All you have to do is add a little bit
of garlic and that will be amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Step it up, restaurants, Step it up, cafes.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Fry those mushrooms. Oh I can't. It actually makes me sick.
I paid fifteen dollars for a side of mushroom in America.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's apparently they said, actually illegally.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Know it was actually, she goes. I just want to
let you know that we've had to raise the price
in the mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like fifteen slars.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yep, best dear, I still got it. I was like, no,
I want my fucking mushrooms. They were like shredded. It
was disgusting. I actually have a photo of it. Anyway,
mushrooms are a real point of contention. Yeah, you know,
it's really not stud to get it right. Okay, I
ever hear me out, and you're gonna be like, I'm
going to hear me out. I would be really good
on Survivor. I think you would too.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Really talked about this. I think one drunk night.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
We have we always it's like I don't remember any
of our I think.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You'd say, really, I think there's a really miss like
misconception about who would do well on Survivor. I came
eighth on Survivor. Yeah, I'm a girly pop like most people.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I told you girls girl too.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm a girls girl like. I'm a bow's and ribbons
kind of girl. Like. I am the girliest girl. And
I came eighth. I had girls that I told I
was going on Survivor before I left, and they laughed
in my face. So one of my best friends are
like you, and I was like, ok, honey, it's a socializing.
That's my thing.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, literally, I feel like it's socializing is the key
on social the key.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think the huge element that people think about first
up is the survival element, and it is a big part.
But you're surviving in a group, and realistically, nothing bad
is actually going to happen to you. Like you are
sleeping on a beach, you are fending for yourself.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
The bugs, I think his mind, the bugs are show
like it's horrible spiders. I'm not too bad with other bugs,
but I.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Don't think I saw it like the tiny, tiny spiders
over there and kill. I did get bitten by some
like fire ants, which was like not hot, like at all,
it's not hot. It's hot, not hot. It felt like
glass going through my knee, like up in the morning.
But other than that, like it wasn't too bad. You
do get just little bug bites. Put your asleep, so
it's like not too bad.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
They're just like, yeah, sleep, so it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, just don't look at the night vision camera when
you see crubs crawling overcause he's like, all right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yes, but I will never taste the theory, Okay, so
we'll just say that I was good.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
If you went on survival, where would you wear your buff?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Good fucking question. I'd wear it as a tube top.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Do you want to try that?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Do you have a bar like.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I thought i'd bring to that?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Black red is my color? All this is your first one?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
That was my first one.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
The brain guys, they're actually named the fabric. I thought
they'd be. I thought they would be giving a head scarf,
but they're like stretchy cotton.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, they're like full like you can.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So I actually would step into it, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Look we're having a bathroom bake. Everyone talk amongst yourself.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'll log it for my.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
My god, yes, yes, yes, slay that's our girl.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So this is my buff. What's this team called brains?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's written on a chest brain. Would you would you
bring brains or brawn?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think i'd be brains, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Because look at you, like your boss bitch killing it.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't know if I give brains, but I definitely
don't give braun.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I think you give brains. I think there's there's so
many different versions of what it means to be a
brainy person. And it's not just about being like intellectually smart.
It's about like not like that nerdy book smart. And
I think that's a really big misconception when you do
these sort of shows that put you into a category. Yeah,
there is so much more that. Like one category is

(13:25):
like me for being a brain, Like I went on
as a brain that was really socially smart, and it
got me really really far. True, but I had to
pretend I was a little bit of brains and brawn.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I feel I feel like the way they're like
show you the character no seeing a lot of the
time You're like, wait, it just doesn't match what you
think it's going to. So, yeah, there's so many different
definitions of you're.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
The hottest brain I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So all right, So Logan and I have been friends
for a couple of years now.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, we met through a mutual We met through Lane. Yeah,
we met. I think it was like her twenty first.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, we were at our friend's house for a birthday.
I was there as the shunned X of an old
Bulldogs player and Logan's husband plays for Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
He does. He's hot as hell. Don't look him up,
don't follow he's private because I'm private. Fine, Yeah, and
isn't I met through that and we didn't really sort
of catch up after that, which was really strange. You
know when you sort of meet someone and she like,
we vibes so hard, but then you kind of just
didn't follow it up.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And then I actually think maybe her birthday the following
year was the next time we saw telling them from them,
we got a lot, we hung out again, and then
we now see each other quite regularly.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, and now we're going on a girl's trip, so
we're going to Bali.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Watch this space this top could be cute, and Bali
was like a little mini scrip. Can I ring it? Yeah,
We're going to Bali for like two weeks together with
a couple of our friends and Holly fuck, I think
I want to be like I need a holiday, but
Logan actually has two kids, so Logan I do.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, life is a bit crazy. So I was on
Survivor for what like two months, and like doing that
with two kids at home and then a husband who
plays football, My world is kind of crazy. Plus adding
in full time study, your girls booked and busy.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Your girl is tired. I'm busy and still came eighth
as brains Like all right, let's get into it. So
logan for the girlies who don't fully get survivor how
would you describe it? Like what is it? Oh my gosh, okay,
so alone that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's like a lot of the flies, except you don't
eat each other. I should just vote each other out. No,
So basically you're kind of like marine on an island.
You're separated into two tribes and you compete in challenges
daily to either win reward or immunity. If you're in
win reward for your tribe if you get food like
the yeah and the fishing rods break, so they're really

(15:52):
not that great. But the immunity challenge is what you
want to win. So if you're an immunity, it means
that your tribe doesn't go to tribal council. You stay intact,
you maintain your bonds, and you get further on in
the game. If you go to tribal council, you're sitting
down having a big discussion about who you and a
vote out.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
They're basically just like ripping each other.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
To shid nasty. It gets nasty. Thank god for editing,
because my god, some of it gets nasty. Some of
the job, like the job, I.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Think they would keep in all the heavy jobs like that.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You would think, but I would say that they'd have
to be careful that some of a borderline bullying, because
really it's not nice.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's human nature. Like no, oh my god, that is
not what I bring back bullying. Bullying is no. Bullying
is never okay. But I think when you're in a
setting like that, there's bound to be some people that
take stuff like that too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think as well, when you're trying, like when it's
sort of coming for you and you get defensive, then
if you're like on the defense and you're really backing
your own point, then people will jump up and oppose
you in that and it can get really heated and
it can be.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You're never gonna like everyone you're so there's going to
be relationships and people that don't like each other. And yeah,
I just feel like.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
This is the thing that I live by, and I
think this is sort of what helped me through survivor
is I don't like everyone, so I don't need everyone
to like me. Yeah, when I live in a world
where I need every single person in a room to
like me, when I don't like everyone, like, that's okay,
it's okay to not be.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like it's absolutely and that's like something that I feel
like even in this sort of world we live in
it like with social media and everything, and like you
would understand that like heavily now as well. It's like
not everyone's gonna like you, and that's like totally okay,
even with hate comments and stuff that you've gotten a
lot of, which we'll get into more, but people aren't
gonna like you, and that's okay.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, the people that matter do hey best.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Literally all right, what made you actually apply and did
you get on on the first come or did you
apply long to terms.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I applied originally back in twenty seventeen, and I got
through pretty much all the way to the end of
sort of the production casting, but was let go at
that stage. And it was probably the best thing for
me because I was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I fucking out didn't really.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Know who I was. I knew that I love Survivor,
which is why I wanted to apply. I'm such a
games person, like I love a challenge, I do family
games and I all the time, like.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I just like I without drinking game yea more than
people would like everyone goes put the deck of Cards
away everything more fun.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I feel like, you know that person who's sitting
at the table reading out and the instructions, it's me.
We're gonna die and we're gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm like, gods, can you just pay attention. I'm just
reading the instructions. I need you all to understand, like
we're just trying to have a glass of wine.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Can leave us alone, we don't want to think. And
I'm like, no, we're thinking so.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
BALI sorry, girls that are coming with us. It's going
to be Games Central. We're gonna pack some games in
our suitcase.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'm excited. I'm excited. But yeah, So I applied because yeah,
I'm just like such a challenge kind of person and
I wanted to do it. Like I was like, I've
watched this on TV since I was a kid, Like
that's a dream like And I applied a couple of
other times, well not technically applied, but I got because
I got so far in production the first time they
would kind of keep you.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
On a rostral again.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's like and then they kind of see what the
next theme is going to be and see if you
match up with that theme and sort of keep you
on this list of who to call and when. But
every time I spoke to them, it wasn't the right time.
The second time, I was pregnant with my first Dado Lola.
The next time they wanted my husband to come on
for the Blood Versus Water season, and he's an AFL player,
so that's not possible, Gabes. And then the next time

(19:23):
everything sort of a line. I'd just gotten married, my
daughter was about to start school, and I was sort
of at this stage where I'm.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like, oh, if any time the time is now.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
The time is now. So I applied, and I knew
sort of as I applied. Do you know when you like,
you know, when the universe is just telling you something,
You're like, you just feel really good.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
About experiens we speak. I totally get you. It's hard,
I love it.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
That was how I felt with Survivor going in. I
was just like, Yeah, this is where I meant to be,
this is what I'm meant to do. And I know
it's just a fun little game and it's a reality
TV show, but it really put me in the place of, yeah,
I'm finally finding some path with my life. I mean,
I lost a lot of my twenties to being a mum.
So I had my first daughter at twenty two and
then my son at twenty five. So finding who you

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are in that stage of life when everything is about.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
And you're no longer a priority.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, but you're still so young. You're a little baby girl.
You're you're only turning twenty five.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I would have been having my second kid this year.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, that's like you're having two kids right now. Imagine is.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So oh my god, it must have been a lot
more mature than me. I cannot actually given me. I
think you literally it would be like me having Literally.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
We just have a fun time in my though. It's
just a vibe.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
There's not strict parenting.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And your kids or her kids. One of her son
looks like what's it called Jayce no shat something off
rug bats.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh, he looks like Johnny from the Wild Lone Berries.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Ah yeah, just research that up. That's what her son
looks like. It's the cutesting Yeah insert that lad boy.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
But yeah, so yeah, it was just something that I
wanted to do and yeah, find something for myself, absolutely
lose myself in my twenties. But I kind of just
want to.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Find yourself I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, fine, you absolutely and we're right here.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Babes talk us through the casting process like beginning to
end one. Yeah, that's how it went.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
The casting process isn't super long, like it depends on
the season, but basically you do your application, so you
do a huge questionnaire plus like a little video. Anything
that I would say to anyone wanting to apply to
any reality TV is don't worry about the questions they
ask you in the video to answer, like what are
you going to do on survivor how would you react
to this? Blah blah blah. Make yourself shine in.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Your like your personality is what they look.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
They just want to look at your personality bas silly,
be creative, be fun, but be you one hundred and
ten percent and don't worry about the questions. Don't feel
too much pressure. Talk as if you're talking to your
best mate, yeah, and just being a silly little.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Girl girl on the couch, and I'll be like, yeah,
I want her.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Unless you're like a really alpha male straight guy.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah. And then once that gets approved, like do you
meet people in person?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Like yeah, So after that stage it goes to like
Skype interviews, and once you pass the scripe interviews, it
goes to and in person interview, which is the panel
of the executive producers. So it is very daunting, like
walking into a room of like three or four people
sat behind a desk. They've got your whole like file out,
They've got pictures of you.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Think the X Factor auditions.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, it's that. It's basically that, except you walk in
and you have to be on. You have to have
that personality, like you have to.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Work and make you compete in like mini challenges. Why
did I think that they did?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
They used to so the very first time I applied,
it was like group scenarios of like mini challenges and
doing push ups and sit ups and random doing a
puzzle on the floor and stuff. But they've kind of
cut that out now. I'm not sure if they do
it for other shows, but they've cut that bit out
of Survivor now. Yeah, I mean they want to see
how you interact in a group setting, but they kind
of can get that off your personality anyways. Yeah, and

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then after that, it was like just a little bit
of a waiting game to hear the call. And I
kind of knew as I walked out at that room.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I was like, I'm god, this is mine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
The funny thing is I think I had all of
and the mole, which is the production company. I had
all of them on my side. It was actually Channel
ten who were like, we're not a hundred pent sure
about her. So I had to answer a few more
questions after that to convince them that I was a brain.
That was the biggest Like why into this category? Yeah,
because the two categories brain is a brain yep, So
I had to really push the social brain element. The
hard thing is, like I know that I'm a very intellectual,

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brainy person. Anyway, I tewed it after school. I did
really well in school.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I get my degrees.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, I am a very smart girl. And I will
never not say that because women shouldn't put themselves down,
always just lift each other up. But I didn't want
to harp on that that wasn't I was like, social brain,
You're gonna have a bunch of smart.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
But you're like, I know I'm smart.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
You're gonna have textbook spark people. But this is my ankle.
I work in marketing. I know I have to sell
myself in a certain way, which is why. Finnily enough,
I had my job title listed under my name on
Survivor as AFL Wag. I ha, I'm like, I hate it,
but I told them to do that. And the reason
why because being in marketing, you need to know what's

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going to capture people's attention. So I hate the term.
I've on podcast to talk about how it's derogatory and
I hate it and it's disgusting. But I'm like, do
you know what, this is my shot. This is my
chance to like put myself out there as logan, not
as Jason's wi.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It also gives people away to under under us.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah. I mean, You've got so many people who have
these amazing job titles and are incredible on Survivor and
the little Wag beat them. That's I kind of wanted
to take back the power of the word of wag
and be like, no.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
We can do this too.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You're not going to remember that I'm a wag by
the end of it. You're gonna remember that I'm logan.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So that's why I did it. And I know that
just as a marketing girly, you have to sell yourself. Yeah,
and that's what I did. I hated it, but I
did it.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, what would my title be under my name of brutal? Yeah,
that probably would be what it was. That would probably.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Be Well, we'd be the classy version of content creators, Like.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
People go what our content creator?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Literally it just sounds like content creator.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, So so where were you when you
found out that you got called for the show? And
who was the first person you told?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I was in my living room.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I was so excited.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I was in my living room and Jason wasn't home
yet and I had to wait for him to come
home and he was only like two minutes away, and
I was like just screaming. So I think Jason wasn't home.
So I called my dad first and he's like, you
got it, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I was like yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
And then Jace came home and I was crying. And
then I put like the producer on the phone to
Jason because he was a big Dogs fan. So, I mean,
I'm not going to say that's how I got on
the show, but he's what you've got?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
What you've got? Absolutely? How much notice were you given
before you had to I.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Was given about six weeks notice. I'll say question, but
it is hard to get your fa like when you
have two kids and a husband who's working full time
trying to get full time care for and you don't
know how long you're out there. You could be out
there for a week, you could be out there for
two months. I was out there for the longest period
of time because I was on the jury. So I
from the time that I left to the time I
got back, it was like, I want to say, like
fifty eight days or something, and you don't know how

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am I supposed to get care for an unknown amount
of days? Like it is crazy work, so it's difficult
to do that in that sort of six week period.
But then you've also got to think about like what
am I gonna wear, Like what fitness do I what
am I doing to prepare?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I got six they tell you to break What was
your packing instructions? What were you allowed with you?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
So you get told you can come out on your
day day one with the day one outfit, So you
try and use as like as much as the day
one outfit as possible, like try and layer up, and
then you have sort of six items that get drip
fed to you throughout the rest of the time that
you're there.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's like you would really have to think about.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
What you Yeah, oh my gosh. That was my one thing.
Like I didn't do anything else. I was like, I
just need to worry about what I wear. And I
just spent so much in my head that I didn't
bring pants for the first six days. So I'm just
in a little miniskirt.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And I was like, yeah, so mini skirts. I saw
that miniskirt was it was like a netbally sort of
like it was like a mini skirt. Yeah, what made
you pick that?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because it was cute?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Did I have shorts under it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It was okay, so no, Like, yes, it was cute,
but it also had shorts under it that had a
little pocket, So I thought if I found an idol
quickly pop it into my pocket, that we wouldn't be
seen by the score. So that was my thought process
around it.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
There are sometimes I see people's clothes that they bring
on and I'm like, you didn't use those six weeks
given your eye.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I think that's what everyone thought about me because I
didn't wear pants. But I was like, do you know
what I like this outfit? I think I feel good,
I look cute, this feels very me, and you know what,
I will struggle for the first six days before I
can get my Tracki's and I'll be fine. I just
ended up like giving the puppy dog eyes to the
people on my driving like can I use your jacket?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I feel like when I see people in a bikini
and like it might be like a strapless bikini or
like a bikini that isn't like supportive or moves around,
and I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
That was my biggest fit, Like that was probably my
biggest Like what bathers do I bring?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Do you use a full bum or do you want
to get a town line? Well?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, that was that was another thing that I was like,
do I want to see that on TV? Like do
I do?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I want my as on TV? But then how much
of my it? The whole ars to me are less
flattering than yeah, a bit of a skin.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'm kind of like a bit more cheeky. But then
we have like another girl, Kate, who oh my god,
she wore the hottest outfits out there. But I was like,
my god, girl, you are cold. She looks so.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, You're like and it's like you got so much
outfit heavy because that is your outfit for the rest
of the time and you're like, yeah, you why didn't
I think to bring that?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, but you have to be really smart about what
you bring, but it all gets trashed in the end.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Do you just wash it in the water?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, so you wash your clothes. But the hard thing
about being in smaller is it's like a really humid environment,
so even if you wash it, if it rains, it
doesn't dry for like four days. So you have to
be really careful about when you wash something. Yeah, and
then you're just like in the shelter at night, like
it's raining and you clothes are wet and it's just
it's gross. You get like all wrinkly hands, it's a
hot mess.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Does everyone stink?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
This is the question I get so often. Really technically yes,
but no, but there's not. Actually, that's the thing. No
one really smelled that bad of BeO There was like
a couple of people that you like, will go go
to the go to the ocean babes, But most of
the time it was just this like sickly sweet fire smell.
Because you're around the campfire constantly, and you know when
you go camping that you get that really gross smell

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in your hair and everywhere.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Sweet.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's like because the wood that we use out there,
it turns to a sweet smell because it's like a
lot of the coconut tree or coagonnut trees, coconut trees
and stuff that you're using the fire. It's not like
redwood that we would use in Australia for your fire.
So it's like a weird sweet smell and then it's
mixed in with your bodily smells and it gives off this.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's like a musk. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, whenever
if I get my hair on or something and there's
I go into someone's house and there's a bloody fire going,
I go turn that shit off because it makes your hair.
It does, so your hair just smell like smoke. Yeah,
the whole fucking fifty And.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I had my hair in braids the whole time because
I've got really fine, curly hair. So it just matted
from day one, like matted immediately, and I was like, great,
I lost so much hair out there. Was disgusting. Really,
I lost smoke so much hair, lost so much weight
I lost. I lost seven kilos out there. So thirty
nine days, like on the beach playing in the game,
and I lost.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Seven exercising as well. They're not giving you that much food.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
We were starving. I think out of the we were
eating ice and beans and coconut, and it took us
a really long time to figure out we should put
the coconut in the rice and beans as well, because
that made it taste better.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah. Was it just like there's no flavoring notes, it's
all so bland.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But then again, by the time it's like thirty eight
days and you're starving, I was like, I cannot wait
to get back to the beach for rice and beans.
I hate rice and beans by the way. Beans are disgusting.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
But I was like, I'm yeah, there's no like picking
and using at that point because you need it. Yeah.
Do you think it's nutritional enough to be sustainable over
that period of time? Were you like, I'm exhausted and
I need more food. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, while you're getting the protein from the beans
and you're getting a lot of carbohydrates from the rice,
and it's like a slow acting carbohydrate, so it does
sort of sustain you, but you just get really hungry.
But in saying that, you get used to it, like
your tummy shrinks and you get used to the amount
of food that you're given. I think the hard thing
was when people started winning a lot of challenges, like
the reward challenges, and they would get the American Feast
and all these like different food. They'd come back after

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experiencing that food, and then they'd be way more hungry
the next few days because they've gorged themselves on this food.
And I'd be there no rewards because our team sucked.
Was that and I'm like happy with my rais and beans?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I was like yeah, it was it like if you
see that kind of food in front of you, like
someone else might win it, were you like, oh.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
It was devastating. I cried after not getting the parma reward.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's my favorite food, like you. So when you go
through the application process, you write down a lot of
your favorite stuff so.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
You have it there and someone else gets it.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
You know what rewards are catered to you. So when
you come up and it's like we did this challenge
and it was like and the reward is a Parma
and I was like that's mine and we lost, and
I just walked away and I cried literally like day
thirty by this stage, guys, So I was it.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Is more do not even defend yourself. You're on Survivor
and if there's a parma in front of you, that's
meant for you, and someone else wins that game. Do
you know what?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
The same thing happens at the part if I see
someone walk past with the parma, it's not mine.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I'm like, why isn't that for me? Literally, past, that
would be past, it would be mine. Oh sorry, it
would absolutely be mine.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Past. It would be yours with some garlic, red some wine.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. I actually would ask for wine because it would
just be fun to be a little bit like tipsy
in that situation.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I got drunk twice out there. It was the funniest
thing ever. It was like I was sitting on top
of the well having a drunk well chat and they're
like the producers in the background piercing themselves laughing, but
they're like, we can't use it. You're just slurring, and.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
You're like, great, I'm.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Drunk into jungle starving.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm like, what, it's my life right now? Literally? How
did people react after eating a reward dish? Did they
have adverse reactions because they hadn't eaten anything else substantial.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, absolutely would be like sick. Yeah, we had I
think someone threw it once. I think one of the
girls had to like run off. So we get sort
of transported from the challenge and the reward back to
camp and have to walk in.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like a buggy.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't know that I can tell you ruin the illusion,
but you do get transported. It's not a buggy, it's
a car. It's a car. It's really secret if it's
a van. Yeah, actually there is acon but yeah, so
you get transported back and forth from the challenge location

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because it is across sam and it's a really big island.
So once you've got these rewards, sometimes your tummy you
can go a little bit awry. And I don't know
if she'll like me saying this. I'm not gonna say
who there's if I say, there's twenty four casts, so
twelve people you can pick from. Yeah, she had, yeah,
got the runs and had to run.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Off the van and be like, oh my god because of.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
That kind of business. I think she was running for
the bathroom, which is probably an interesting if you.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Do have the runs, do you wipe your eyes with
leaves or do you just go in the water.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, we have a toilet, so but it's not it's
not a toilet toilet. It's like your first podcast back
and we're talking about shit on.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
The that's all right, that's everything.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
So the toilet is like a drop, a long drop,
and it's got a toilet seat. You have toilet paper.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is there one per tribe, one per tribe.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's disgusting like it is, Like I was like, I'd
rather shit in the woods. It's discussed like it's not
because it's imagine it's out there and festering for days
and people's ship just building up and up.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm gonna make it. Friend. It's like a festival toilet,
but times like yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's that kind of smell end of the night festival.
You have to use sawdust to cover everything up so
it's it's not a vibe. And then you've got all
your emergency sort of medical stuff in there, so everyone
has if you have sort of prescription medication, you have
to take all your contacts and stuff. It's all in
that area. So it's off camera and I had to
change my contacts out every day, so I'd have to
walk in there.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And your hands wouldn't be like as as you would
probably have.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Hand sanitizer, but it's not soap, so you're not so
You've still got dirt everywhere.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
And it's sanitized. I'm like, I'm someone that really doesn't
like hand sanitizer. I would rather wash. Yeah. No, it's
just making my dirty hands like.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
And it makes my skin drives good. It's not a
fun time. Yeah, it was gross. So yeah, that was
the toilet situation. Not a vibe at all.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
What's the situation with periods?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
We have period care out there, but I think I
got really lucky and my period end just as I
started day one. Oh, and then I got it because
I was out there thirty nine days. I got it
around day thirty. But it was really light. And a
lot of the girls just lost their periods out there,
and a.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Lot of them were just on no nutritional value.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, you use your period like dropping that kind of weight,
and you're like that environment, the stress all of it,
you end up losing your period. But yeah, a lot
of the girls would either just take birth control have
their aud or they would lose their period.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah. I feel like most girls would probably get on
the pill or something some.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I just didn't want to particularly do that because
I know I'm a raging asshole when I have homes
I am I'm already going to be in a stressed
environment where I have to get people like me. I
don't need to be on perfectly.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
No, you're right, But then that week before you're like
that couple of days for your period, you're like, oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, and I'm hype apologize and I'm like, sorry, nearly
voted you out. I just have my period.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Literally, I'm sorry. I love you, I really do. So
with the camera crew, do they just follow you everywhere
at all times? And can you converse with them?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh? Okay, first question, yes and no. So they follow
you everywhere to a point. So there's always going to
be production with you at some point. You never truly alone,
which is like a really threatening thing, like you're never alone.
It's there's always going to be.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Something before where like there's the Big Brother, I that
like watches everyone in the city. Reality shows are like that.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
You're talking about the Truman Show.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Or George Orwell's book nineteen eighty five? Is that what
it's called? No one started in school?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Fact enough, No, I was looking the show. I was
thinking Truman Show, but yeah, so there's always production there,
like twinshow safety. Basically what happens is when you're on
the beach before challenges and stuff, you usually have one
or two cameras that will follow you around, but you
don't have a lot of time to go look for
idols and stuff like that, and if you do, you've
got a camera crew following you, so it's really obvious.
So it's really hard to secretly get an idol, which

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is really stressful. And then when you get to the challenges,
the cameras, yeah, you're like you're looking at someone like
you've just got a group of people talking, they've got
a camera and there's this one person running off with
a camera on them and you're like, I wonder what's
happening there. Yeah, so I don't want to take away
the mystery of it all, but it is really hard
and that's why it's really difficult to conceal it idol
as well, and you have to do it sneakly and
that's why a lot of people find them in grooves.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
But that you could say, conteal an idol in front
of the camera crew and it's like they can't go
tell someone.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
No no, So you can't talk to the camera crew,
so there's no discussion of the camra crew. You do
talk to producers sort of when the camera's off, if
they give you instructions or just say, hey, guys, we're
not talking about this right now. As soon as the
cameras are off, there's no survivor talk. There is no
suvivor talk. Anything that they can't show, like the storyline
for you can't talk about off camera because they want
to show you a story out there. They want to say, Hey,

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this conversation happened here, this person want to did this
and this led to this vote.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like if you talked about a camera and created like
an alliance with someone in the next Tale of a
sudden your friends and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Choose exactly like you to repeat, there's a lot of
confusion around it. And I think that's why sometimes when
these things do happen behind the cameras, the audience gets
really confused with like, hang on, wait, they didn't like
each other, why are they working together? Where's the context?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Ever? If they missed things like that, make you repeat it?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes in the confessional, So I only had to repeat
one thing. It was never shown, but I found someone's
eye id or clue, so it had fallen out of
their bag, and I wanted to steal the idle clue
and plant it on someone and pretend to be like,
oh my gosh, guys, do you see that in their bag,
like they've got an other clue, and be like we
need to put boats on them to flush out an
idle that they didn't have, and so they'd go home.

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So I was I was thinking. But because I found
the clue when the cameras went around, I had to
go hide it in the woods somewhere and pretend to
stumble upon it. And I was like, oh, I wonder
what is Yeah, it was really bad.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
They're like take that again again.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
My accreditations are winning year eight drama Student of the War.
But yeah, they didn't really make us repeat any conversations.
So I think the conversations have to happen really free
flowing and naturally otherwise, like these people are just regular people,
they're not actors. It looks staged otherwise, So that's why
they really hammered down on don't do anything that's not

(38:49):
on camera if you want it to be shown. So
if you're not obeying by those rules, it really does
kiss off production because it's just hindering and your story.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, yeah, what was your lowest moment on the island.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
There was a fear, so I had a pretty low
point when I nearly got voted out. Obviously for anyone
that didn't watch it got towards the end. It was
the start of Merge and I got blindsided, but luckily
I had found an idol and I played it, but
using that idol, then got my best friend out of
the game, which really was really hard. And I think
the hardest thing about that was coming back to camp

(39:26):
and knowing the only person that was on my side
was voted out.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
So I had now you're like you all Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Had ten people standing in a circle around me who
had all voted for me, and I was like, oh,
like it felt personal at that stage. It's not, but
it felt like it because you're in your feels and
it hurts, like.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
You come home, you're the people now for a week.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, you got deceived and coming back, like when you
get blindsided, you'd rather just get voted out sometimes because
you're like you have to come back and then deal
with that whole situation.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I'm trying to make sure it doesn't happen to making.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Men's try your best to get yourself off the bottom.
It is a really tough situation, and anyone that has
played Survivor or owning games like it. When you get
into yourself into that situation, it is difficult to crawl
back out of.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
So I was really just sometimes I feel like it's
easier for them to dump the votes and you again,
they're like, she already knows, we don't want to hear.
We're not affecting the relationship any worse than it was already.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You have to work even harder, and then even if
you get further in it, then you become the underdog,
and like everyone likes to take down the underdog because
everyone wants to root for the underdog. So it's a
really tough position to be in. And I'm really lucky
that I don't know, you know what, pause I'm not lucky.
I did fucking well. That happened to me, and I
lasted another week or so out there, and that is

(40:31):
a really long.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
So you didn't get voted out the.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Next time, No, it was another three or four votes later.
That is a scared because there was four people on
the jury after that, so four votes later. So yeah,
it was It's a tough spot to be in, but
I did bloody well to crawl out of it as
much as like, absolutely, yeah tough.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I don't know if I could do it, I think
i'd cry.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I cried all the time. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Do people flirt and hook up because I I'm someone
that prefers a reality, like I just love a bit
of romance and everything, and I know an American there's relationships,
like big relationships that come out of that show. Did
that happen on your season or is it common?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah? So our season, no, I just don't. I think
there was a lot of people that were already in
relationships on our show, and like the people sort of
didn't match up. There wasn't really that romantic connection. But
on other seasons, definitely there has been sort of behind
the scenes, a bit of shelter and whatever. I obviously
wasn't there, so I can't speak on that. But in

(41:32):
the sense of flirting, this is something that was a
bit of a fun thing for me. Was I am
so secure in my relationship, I'm married, I've got kids,
but I'm also a woman in my twenties, and I
know sometimes that you've got a certain power, yeah, and
sometimes you have to use that. There's definitely times that
I might may have bettered my eyelashes at the boys
a little bit harder than I should have, sill, But exactly,

(41:54):
you have to use what you.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Have out there as a weapon in your arsenal. Y. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I spoke about it with my husband before I went out,
and I was like, yeah, I'm probably gonna flirt with
some people, and I'm probably going to use every bit
of what i have far than crossing the line to
get myself further. If I'm going out there and five
hundred K is on the line, I'm going to use
every asset in my arsenal to get myself further along
to win this game. So my husband was aware, we

(42:18):
knew what I'm like, are let me retire early. He's like,
just don't kiss anyone and we're good. And I was like, sweet,
no worry, you just can't. You can fuck him in the.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Shelter, just just don't kidd no.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But honestly, this is the one thing that I don't
understand about people on Survivor that have previously done that
that I've heard of. It's disgusting. You're not showering, you
stink like, and you're hooking up with people like.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
People have sex on like the last ay of festival.
I'm like you, yeah, disgusting, this is like that time,
so fucking really Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I honestly, I think I know of like one potential
pool that did on previous seasons. But that's the most
that I know. But I do know. On American America,
Boston Robin Amber.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, I love them. Yeah, you're amazing, but they.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
But they're married, married, like four kids now, So I mean,
moll of story, maybe you do fuck on Survivor.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Maybe you should. You know, everyone looks everyone looks tan like, sorry,
if I rocked up on Survivor, this is that you
guys are all going to think I'm an idiot. If
I rocked up on Survivor and did a little scan
around and I didn't think any because I'm single obviously,
and I didn't think anyone that was cute, I'd be like,
take me back, where's the boat?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Do you know? What happens though? You get a bit
of jungle fever where it's like you.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
An airport crush. Yes, it's likersh.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
It's like it's like a workplace crush. But you're with
the same people constantly, and you start to low eas standards.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Because you're like you are the only one here single okay.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Everyone, it's like the world has ended and you're like, oh,
all right, maybe you maybe come on come here in
production someone found sound.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Guy come to the dunny to fucking drop Dunny. Let's go, Okay,
what was the biggest drama out there? Was there? What
was the most explosive event that led to an argument,
even if it didn't involve you directly, What do you
think was the biggest like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So there was dramas out there that happened sort of
between the guys with like the hat burning for context,
there was a guy who burnt one of my friend's hats,
like his cowboy hat on day one, like put it
in the fire, and that was kind of like a
reasoning but just to be LaSalle, Yeah, look, he's got
his own reasoning that he's put out there, but who

(44:36):
knows if that's true. His reasoning was to bring more
attention and it was going to be a fun little
jab and blah blah, blah, But realistically it was he
wanted his five minutes of fame and wanted to do
chaotic things to get TV time. Yeah that's my opinion anyway,
and he listens to this, I don't give a fuck,
but no, I think the biggest explosive the explosive ones
were probably between me and some other people, just because

(44:58):
I'm a fiery person and I've also got ADHD, so
I really struggle with emotional control. And when you're out
there starving and like stressed and someone sort of starts
pushing your buttons, it is really hard to contain your emotions.
The boys didn't really struggle with that too much because
a lot of them are sort of like walking game bots.
But I'm an emotional person, Like I.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Know you're you're not like a game player, and that.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Since I told everyone's from day one, I think on
on day one or day two, I was complaining about
something huge as.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Usual actually would be so fucking sigamy.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, and then Myles was like, oh, Logan, blah blah blah,
this is solution, and I was like, Miles, I don't
want a solution. I just wanted to complain about it.
He's like, valid, yeah, I was like, thank you. It
is I think everyone understood that. Sometimes I would have
a little outburst. I wouldn't say outburst. I would get
a bit frustrated about something and I just like, yeah,
I just need to.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Get all the time. And it's like you guys, just yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And then people mistook that as, oh, she needs a solution,
we're in trouble and blah blah. And most of the
people that had been there with me for a long
time just was like, oh, no, she just needs to
be like that, and then she's all good and then
it's like her head comes down a little bit. So
it's just like I need to get off my chest.
But there were times where you just get pushed too
hard and you're stressed, and you come back from a
really long night a tribal council. It goes for like

(46:15):
three hours. You're tired as how someone that you loves
just being voted out. It puts you in a ship
position and then someone's yapping away. Like when people don't
have the sort of emotional understanding to understand how someone
feels in that social context, it is really hard to
control yourself. Yeah, because if you come back, you're devastated
and someone's like, here, I'm so happy that move worked out. Well,

(46:37):
you're like time and place, like, just stop talking right
now so I can have a moment so I don't
snap and rip your head off.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Are there moments where you hinder your reaction because you
know that it's going to be going on TV and
you're like, fuck, I actually can't act that way?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Oh yeah, absolutely. There's times that you have to really
rain yourself in, but that's what you have confessionals for.
So when it's just you the camera guy, the producer
just asking questions and you get to explain your side
of the story, that's when you can let Louise say
whatever you want to say. And it's great to get
that off your chest. But a lot of the time
they don't use it because there's only so much you
can put in an episode, so the viewers will miss

(47:09):
a lot of context behind why I blow up about something.
But if I just got to explain it, which I did,
but they just didn't include it, you'd understand. But I'm
not going to excuse myself for my behavior out there.
I was an emotional bitch, and that's fine. That's an
emotional person that is what it is. I played a game,
I was away from my family. I was starving on
an island for thirty nine days. You go out there
and you do better.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, but I also feel like you were very authentic
to yourself, whereas you know how there's always someone that
plays the villain almost Yeah, it's do you think it's
a character that there's.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Definitely character like, there's definitely people that try and put
on characters, but I think a.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Lot of that piss me off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
A lot of them went out early because it's like
people don't like the characters. But it's also like a
lot of the characters that sort of went through towards
the end, they didn't last very long doing this character stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Because you lose I it was on a couple of seasons.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
George of King, Yeah, he's actually is that really great
in person? In person, he's fantastic. I watched his seasons before.
But he knows how to work TV. He was like
the shit that fuck the thing is like, that's him.
He's been entertaining for you and he knows sort of
what to put on and what draws the cameras and

(48:17):
how to get himself on all the confessionals and be
the sort of the frontman of the show that was
a character that was a character. Yeah, he's great in
person and he just knows he knows.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
His angles absolutely were there. You obviously created some amazing
friendships on that show, and I like being a friend
of yours. I see you still catch up regularly with
these people. Are there people from your season that you like?
You say when people get voted out or a lot
of things aren't personal, it's a game. But are there
people that you actually really don't like that you are
in the season and you're like, I don't care, what

(48:48):
was a game? I don't want to be anywhere here.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Absolutely. I think there are people out there that you
really they show their true colors, and there's not a
lot of them at all. Yeah, And there's definitely people
that I, if I have a choice, never speak to again.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, Because it's like if you're in a setting, not
even on a show, and you're in a group with
that many people, there's going to be people that, yeah, like,
I don't like you all.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I think the thing as well is like imagine just
picking twenty four random people off the street and you're
thinking that you're.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Going to get very random eyed pick people from like.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Getting along with everyone as your best friend. You're not
You're not going to best friends with their brow when
you're going to be friends with Ma Jordie and there's
going to be a bunch you just that grind you
and you really don't like. It's just it's what life's like.
It's just picking up random people, putting all together and
say work together, make it work.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
You have like a group catch up of everyone. Have
you ever had like a group touch up with everyone
and the people that they're that you don't like.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
We had a group catch up after the show before
the show aired with a bunch of Melbourne people and
there was probably about ten of us. Was that.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Was that the night before you actually came to that
birthday and you were incredibly hungover because you've seen all
your survivor friends the day before. I think it was
that has been a couple.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Of times that has happened. Many times that has happened.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I was just with the survivor it was so and
I'm hungover.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
We did a big catch up for the finale where
we did a finale party and there was probably I
want to say fifteen or sixteen of us out of
the twenty four cast. It's really hard to get everyone.
Everyone's in different states, so it's really hard to get
everyone together. And that was really fun. There was people
that I hadn't even got to meet because they were
on a different tribe and they got voted out. True,
so there's a bunch of people that I still haven't met, Like, so.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Weird to think we're on the same show, the same
season and I actually don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, there's a girl who got voted our first two
names Candy, and she looks like the coolest person in
the world and I've never got to meet her, and
it makes me really sad because she's.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Like, well, girl, listening, reach out open. If you could
READO one moment, what would it be, Oh my gosh,
would it be getting voted out? You're like, I wish
I had an idol.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
There's probably two I would probably redo when I found
the idol, because me finding the idol led to me
getting voted out. And I found it with two other people,
and I wish.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I didn't, But you wish you found it on your own, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I technically I did, but they were there and it
was it was a whole kerfuffle, so I wish that
didn't happen. And then there was another situation that I
blew up at AJ because he blew up at me,
and we had this huge fight and was in front
of some other people who didn't enjoy that aspect of
social relations where they didn't care for the back and forth,
and that sort of turned them against me, and that
sort of led to the start of my demise on

(51:20):
the show as well. So that moment, yeah, but I
was just really heated on, like in my emotions, in
my feels, and I'm just not gonna apologize for me
being me. No, never I apologize, Like this is the
thing that you don't see, Like he blow at me,
I blop him. They showed me blowing up on camera,
and then two minutes later I walked up to him
on the beach and I was like, bro, I'm so sorry.

(51:41):
I was like I was, I was so in my
field and we're like, we hug it out and don't
show any of that.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah, so I'm on.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Good terms with pretty much everyone from there. Yeah, that's
probably one of the things that I wish.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Would you ever do it again?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yes, I would one hundred percent do it again. I mean,
I'm really nervous because JLP has just been exited from
the show.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yes, I've been want to ask you about that.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So he was exited.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
He's the host, by the way, the host JP is
the host.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
He has been the host of the entire new season
of Australian Survivor. So there was two seasons in the
early two thousands that flopped and then he started back
in twenty sixteen. I want to say, and he's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
He's the American host. Are like Australian American versions of him?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, they're literally And he he is just killing it
so much, and he really cares about the show and
the contestants and the direction of the show and making
sure that it's not too influenced by production. And she's
really keeping it authentic. So letting him go in.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
She just seems like a good guy even when you're watching,
Like he came up.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
To us at the airport and was like, hey, girls, Hey,
were you just on Survivor? And I was like, oh,
firsty hat? But he was amazing. So I'm really I'm
nervous about the longevity of the show because the fans
are so loyal.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
To him and in case anyone didn't realize he actually
got blinds heirted like, yeah, blindsided is like the Survivor term.
Obviously when you get voted out and you were aware
of it. He made some big posts. I actually read it,
like I actually did, I read it. I read it
the whole thing. But yeah, he obviously didn't know he
was going to be fired.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, well that was really it was really disappointing, I
think for a lot of the cast, because a lot
of us are huge Survivor fans and he's one of
the reasons that we're a fan of the show because
he makes it like, he makes the show what it is.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
It's just fixing something that's not broken.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah that's yeah, it's it's yeah, it's it didn't need
to happen. I don't think personally, but I guess they'll worry.
Is is that there's such a loyal fan base for
JLP that I'm worried it's going to tank the show.
I'm really hoping it doesn't because I'd love another chance
and all stars, So please don't tank it before I
can come.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
And you want it to be the same, like it
was a great experience, you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, I think I mean the host that they have
lined up, David Ginnett.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
The previous play.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
He's played two times Australian.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I know him.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
He won his second season, then he Golden God. He
then won Deal or o'deal Island where he won like
nine million dollars, and then he's come back and he's
playing Australia versus the World, which is going to be
airing soon.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I just don't know why they so yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I mean he is a host, like, he works in
TV and production and stuff like that, so I guess
if you're going to get another spier player, like, maybe
that's good. But I'm not sure that that direction was
the best because everyone does love JLP, and I'm really
worried that he will get hate or like unnecessary hate
just because he's standing in the shoes of someone that
everyone loves. Like if it JLP stepped down and he

(54:27):
stood up for it, I feel like it would be
a really different reception.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
And it's like it's not his fault, that fault.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I'm really hopeful that he either revives the show. Well,
I mean it's not dead. The show is doing fantastic.
The ratings are doing well. They came out and said
that wasn't but it's one of the second highest ratings
now last season, So I really don't know why they
chose to do that. And I'm really hopeful that David
really has a great spin on the game and cares
as much as JLP does and continues the beautiful game
and Survivor, because I would love a second shot, and I.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Would love a first And is he wants to go
get we'll go on?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Can we go on blood versus Water?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I'd love to go on with someone that you pretend
you don't know but.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
You do know. Well, yeah, well I was on my season.
There was a guy from Bulldogs who was nearly oh
he was gonna be cast and he had to turn
it down and he was gonna be on Braun And
I was like, best do you do that? We could
have been like working in tandem.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Literally, what was the first thing you ate when you
got out?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Well, so when we get out, we go straight to
the jury villa. So because I made jury. So for
everyone listening that doesn't understand the sort of the dynamics
of Survivor. Once you get to a certain point in
the game, when you've merged tribes and there's only ten
twelve of you left. It gets to the top ten,
and the top ten once they get voted out, instead
of going home, they go straight to the jury bench.
And then the jury is made up of everyone who's

(55:42):
voted up and then the top two. You then decide
as a jury individually who gets your vote. So I
went onto the jury, so I stayed the entire time.
So my first meal was in Jury Villa, and I
got slaughtered in Jury Villa. Everyone was really mad at
me when I came out. There was just a lot
of back and forth about she said this, and she's
said that, and so okay, we're yeah, it was like

(56:03):
half of it wasn't true and it was just in
their fields. And I just voted one of my best
friends out and she was mad at me, and I
was like, I'm sorry, babes again and I think I
mean we got we kind of cleared the air pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But all I ate.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
The first thing I ate was a really moist carrot cake,
because carrot cake is my favorite, just so good. I
love crame cheese icing, yes, obviously dah. But then yeah,
I just had really normal meals in the Juruvilla, like
they didn't have much in there, so I had a
lot of like veggiemie and cheese toasties and then I
can't remember what I had when I got back to Australia.
I think my first meal at the airport was macas

(56:36):
me some nuggets.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah I had.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I had a cheeseburgers and nuggets and a thick shake
and a coke.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Gotta do it, absolutely, And how was seeing your kids
and your husband? It was weird.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
My husband and my husband was amazing. I actually got
a call to my husband while I was in the
show and I was like the most emotional moment. I
was like breaking down. I was like, they really voted
me out, baby. But seeing my kids was a bit funny.
So Lola, my oldest who's five, she was four at
the time, she came, stayed up late to pick me
up from the airport and gave me a cuddle and
she was just a bit not stand offish. I mean,
when you're four and your mum's been away from two

(57:09):
months and you've just had dad, it's like, oh, I
love you, but oh daddy. And my son didn't want
to know me for a week.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
He was like it would have been so sad.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
It hurt my heart so much anything. I tried to
cuddle him and help him out, and he's like, no, daddy,
and I was like, yeah, so that was pretty devastating.
But yeah, it was just it was beautiful to see
them again. But it was kind of just like weird
to just go from this insane life and the constant
pressure you miss it. Yeah, I mean, it was like

(57:41):
it was go, go go. It was so fun all
the time. All the challenges were so intense and interesting,
and you push yourself to your absolute limits and then
you get on a plane and then you're like, and
here's your regular life again.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Before yeah, and I'm like I didn't know what to
do for days, and then we just booked a trip
to Bali and then we came back, and then we
booked another trip to Bali and I was again, I
was like, I need to get back to the traffics.
What am I doing here? But then sort of gradually
fall back into the normal step of life. But it
was really weird coming back.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
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for coming on. We loved hearing it. I love hearing it.
We're going to go have a bin and probably talk
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Speaker 1 (58:22):
For having me and everyone tune into is this new podcast.
It's going to be amazing. I can't wait to see
the next few guests.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
All right, guys, we love you so much. We're off
to have a winey bye.