THE HOME IMPROVEMENT SHOW 10-11-25

Tune in here for this 10-11-25 episode of the Home Depot Home Improvement show on WBT with John Gordon and David Dovell.

On this edition of the program, Dave Dovell and Dave Drew talk about indoor air quality and how to properly install air purification systems in your home’s HVAC setup. With John away on his retirement trip to Italy, the “Double D’s” cover everything from the benefits of UV lights and ozone generators to common mistakes that can damage furnace components. 

They explain how improper UV light placement can dry out wiring or crack plastic drain pans, and share best practices for positioning air purifiers around the evaporator coil. The hosts also discuss the pros and cons of freestanding ozone units for removing odors and improving air quality—whether in your home or vehicle. Plus, they touch on restoration technologies used after smoke or fire damage and how advances in air cleaning equipment help reduce insurance costs. Listeners are invited to call or text with their own home improvement questions.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
The Home Depot Home Improvement Show with John and Dave
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questions every Saturday on News Talk eleven and ninety nine
three WBT.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, good morning, welcome, It's the Home Depot Home
Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm Dave Doval and I'm David Drew with Nascair North
and South Carolina Air. Good morning, David, Good morning, glad
you came in. Yeah to do double d's here.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Huh, Yeah, this is good. John's off probably the next
couple of weeks. He's uh.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I think he and barbar are taking their little his.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Retirement trip to Italy.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, so they're they're out and about. Good for him,
long time been along Home Depot a long time. Did
a great job too. Still still they still love him
in Pineville. You know, that's where he started at that store,
so I remember, Yeah, they met him. Yeah, they still
still talk about him over there. So yes, sometimes it's
not good, but no, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Very hollow dame over there.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, great job.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
But anyway, lines are open seven zero four five seven
zero eleven ten. That's also the text line it's the
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Speaker 4 (01:18):
I wasn't sure how that was going to work out.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I mean, it's something else you have to do and
and and look but and pay attention.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
But it's great because we get a lot of text.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh so, getting a lot of a lot of text
in here talking home improvement, anything you want to talk about.
But Dave, Dave Drew's in here with NASCAR, as he said,
and any air conditioning, heating questions you might have. That's
that'll that'll this, this will be the place to call
for this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I have a question, Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I got to look it back up from a from
a caller, but I really have most of it by memory,
and it's been a few weeks ago that he sent
the note. But he was asking about about.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I remember what was it?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I had mentioned it to you that was going
to come up. But adding adding an air purification to
the to his to his furnace. He wanted to know
where it should go on and it was ozone. I
know that we had talked before about that, and you
could if you put that in the wrong place, it
could be pretty detrimental to the system because the ozone can, yeah,

(02:25):
cook have some components in there.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
It absolutely can. You know, we're talking about me and
you were talking about the UV lights, of course, and
they cannot be in any direct path of wiring, plastic
coded wiring.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
It just heats the wire off of it. It just
drives it out.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Just like the sunlight does to anything left outside. So
we typically would love to see it either after the
coil or before the coil, but after the heat exchanger, okay,
and that way it's all surrounded by metal. I don't
know any more about the the cracked drain pans. I
don't know if that's still an issue with the UV

(02:59):
light hit the if.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's plastic, yeah, yeah, if it's plastic, it's a problem, right.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
So, but so the ideal place would be probably you know,
right there the evaporator coil, if you could fit one
in there before the evaporator coil, after the heat exchanger.
But the technology has changed so much. We love the
airpew fires, the UV lights, I think they're wonderful, especially
for the germ killing in the winter right or the

(03:25):
summer when you start the air conditioning the evaporator coil
gets nothing, doesn't get a chance for anything to grow
on it, and that's what you smell typically when you
turn on the system for the first time in the
summers at damp yes, odor smell. Well, when you have
a UV light on there, you're pretty much you're not
going to have to deal with that. But again, the
best part is in the winter with all the airborne bacteria, viruses,

(03:48):
whatever it is, it will take care of those.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, we'll talk about more of that today too, because
you told me that years ago about this was the.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Winter time is the worst time.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Because you're you're dry now and it's moistures needed. But
but for the gentleman in Shelby that had had written
that note, so usually after the coil is if if
it's something he's going to try to do himself, because
I think maybe that's that's what the question is was about.
And you know, if you have the skills to do it,

(04:19):
I guess it's it's you know, uh, you know, go
for it. But my thought on it was you can
buy a free standing ozone generator for your house, and
you can buy them that are low dose.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
So uh.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Gina used to sell units that you could you could
have on during the day while you're in there, so
it was a small amount of ozone. But when you left,
you could crank that thing up to a way mode
and and really and really nuke the house, so to speak, uh,
with with those zone but I thought, with with those

(04:55):
with that equipment, when what we would do is just
have it near the return and have the fan in
the on position and let it pull through the house
and through the duct work, because I just I wasn't
sure if it was necessary all the time to have
it to have it blasting, you know, in the in
the in the furnace. I've never put one on in
the house. I just always thought it was something else

(05:18):
you have to deal with.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So as you know, I have one in my house, right,
I love it, Yeah, And I do not keep it
running while I'm there. As soon as I leave the house,
I turn it on. Heather. Thing they're good for is
a people that might smoke in a vehicle, right yeah,
and that vehicle does not belong to them, and that
you wanted to get the smoke out, put that thing
in there overnight, let a crank up and go back

(05:41):
in that vehicle the next day. That smoke smells gold. Yeah, everything,
you know.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, the truck I bought it was just kind of smoker,
I think it. And it cleaned it up pretty pretty nice.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, that's an incredible, incredible machine.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I was amazed at how it kept coming out of
the upholstery really the odor. Yeah, after after that, so
I it a few times and didn't cleaned the upholstery,
and that took care of it.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I had to.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Scrub the interior of a van down here recently, the
interior right, somebody who has been smoking and the whole shit.
Everything still didn't do enough. I put that machine in
there after the people got done cleaning it, and I
thought it was perfect.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
So you have do you have options?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
So the free standing the free standing equipment will work
as well. And then and my old neighbor used to
own and I don't know if he's still doing it,
but he had some big equipment that he could take.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
In and he was.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
He was doing some apartment, yes, and going in after
people moved out and and blasting them and that stuff.
They would set up for eight hours and uh, but
it was bigger equipment. And of course they would turn
that the fan in the on position and let it
run on the on your on your HVAC. And that
way you were. That way you were pulling it through

(06:54):
the house through the duct work, and it was distributing
it back out, you know, not only from the machine itself,
but through the duck work of the house, which you know,
I think that works pretty well.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Coincidentally, I was in a house this week that had
a fire. It was a grease fire. Of course, the
house has been evacuated, and I think the name of
the company was in there was I know it was
was United Restoration. So they let me come in to
take a look at the duck work. I don't know
what machinery they use. I couldn't smell even though the
house had been gutted, not guted. It was just a
flare whatever it did. But they had to take everything down.

(07:27):
I couldn't smell any smoke, and they asked me to
replace the duck work and I said, why there's I
can't find any damage of smoke. And it was a
big bill and I said, he but we compromised it.
We'll just do the first floor right, and that's it.
But I'm the technology out there to clean these houses

(07:48):
is amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh that's good. I'm glad. I'm glad they have it.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I know the shirts company are glad to have it.
That's back on their expenses. But anyway, while we're getting
pretty close to a break, so let's uh, I guess
we'll talk about taking that. Lines are open seven zero
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(08:14):
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(08:43):
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
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Speaker 2 (08:49):
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Speaker 4 (09:04):
Any questions for.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Dave would be welcomed in it. It's that between seasons,
so I know what you guys are dealing. Nobody's even
thinking about No, we eat our air. There's and a
lot of people are probably just happy to have the
air turned off or not running much. I didn't see
much difference in our electricity bill this month.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I thought it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Would be less because it's it's it's really not been
that warm. But I think it's been warmer than warmer
than we thought.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's just not been brutal.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I don't think it's fair that you talk about your
house because you have a very unfair advantage. I know,
but it's not fair.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
I know.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Tell them, tell them no, they know we talk.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
They people are like, I don't want to hear about
your house anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
But it's compared to your house, it's extremely hard because
the rest of us, well those the rest of us leading,
those of us that don't have foam insulation or an
incredible heating and air conditioning company taking care of your
stuff and making sure it's properly sized, don't have that opportunity.
And of course, the incredible builder yourself made this house
so efficient, that your house so efficient that it's it's very,

(10:04):
very hard to compare to other homes.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
We do love it, and and Gina is beside herself
because we're talking about selling and moving maybe possibly back
out to Union County because my kids, my grandkids are
older and they're playing sports and you know, we're running
back and forth trying to get out and it's tough
to get out that way in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, me and you maybe neighbors someday, you know that. Yeah,
that's where I'm heading. I think that's where I'd like
to be out in Union County.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So that is that's kind of kind of the thought.
So anyway, well, when it gets for sale, I can't
tell you how many people have.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Tried to buy that house.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
While we've been while we were building it.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
You know, we joke here, But the segue here is
because they people should learn from your house that these, yes,
they're expensive things that you have done, but your electric
bills are nothing compared to the rest of ours. And
I mean nothing, no and gas and gas, and you're
not solar, and you're not this, and you're not that.
It is just a well built and designed house, right

(11:03):
and that is that is available to all of us.
So maybe we shouldn't pooh pooh. You know your house
is so efficient, maybe we should elaborate on those things
that make it more efficient.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And that was one of the things when we built it,
and that's what John and I talked about, was that
we would talk about it during the construction and then
the results afterwards, and you know, we are completely happy
with you know, how things turned out. There's a couple
of things I would change, But people are like, are
you kid me? And I'm like, oh, no, there really are.
After you sit in it for a while, Let's get

(11:35):
Clark in here and let's see what Clark has to say.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Hey, Clark, welcome to the program. How can we help?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
So I was there, of course about like what time
the house the heat pumped you need for like a townhouse,
it's around twelve hundred square feet and it has a
two ton and found out the compression one out. I
talked to some song bout it and he said, well,
twelve hundred square free's rock for about two times. But
I'll feel like the cooling on the upstairs has not

(12:04):
been that great over here. So I was one earning
the difference for trock. It's twelve hours square feet right
for a two time? Is that our should go.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
To It doesn't work that way? Uh? Is this townhome
between two other buildings? Are you in the middle, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well, it's like a townhouse. One there's just one. It's
just one on the eight side. It's just a two place.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yes, that's what I'm getting at. So you have protection
on both sides, on one side, on one side, okay,
one side, you have protection. So that has a lot too.
In the other part of it is the sun orientation
to that house or the townhome, excuse me, and how
much direct sunlight it's getting. And I'm not talking about trees.
I'm talking about again orientation to the sun bigger is

(12:48):
not better in our industry, It is not. It's actually
worse because then it's short cycles and gets the air
cold but stays wet. You got to get the umity
out of it. As far as the heat pump, I
don't know the configure, but I was actually in a
class this week at REAM and we were talking about
these new heat pumps that are no longer you can
get top discharge, but they're converting to side discharge, where

(13:10):
you know, the air comes out the side instead of
blowing out the top of the unit outside and they're
extremely efficient, you know, and the deumification and the whole setup.
This is this is not a choice. This is where
we are heading right, and the efficiency and the ease,
the modularity of these things just plug and play. The
government has now made it very hard just to replace

(13:30):
one piece and not the whole thing becauseful laws. And
that's the other thing he may be struggling with is
you're probably gonna have to replace both pieces, the indoor
and outdoor unit. At this point because of the new
refrigerens we have to deal with. We are no longer
able to purchase equipment that uses R four to ten,
which is stuff you probably had from before. Everything now
has gone to R four fifty four B and R

(13:54):
thirty two, which are better for the before without getting
the weeds, better for the environment.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
And so is this a two story Clark? Yes, yeah,
and only one unit?

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean it's like one ain't on the east
side in the building. It's like, yeah, it's a two story, but.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean i'm talking about I'm talking about your air
conditioning system. You just have one one air conditioner, one
for the entire unit.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, sorry, it goes from both units. But I just
noticed it's old. It's like twenty years old. It's a
it's a good one. Just notice over time and just
the top upstairs is not and now the compression's going out,
so need to replace it. I just wonder if she'd
increase it to a two and a half time.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, I think I think one of the things David
would probably they would talk to you about if it's
not already zoned, is that to zone the system, right,
David explain to him a little bit about a zoning system.
Do you have two thermostats or one?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Why?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh you yet you've got you have the old system,
very old. Now you have to have two thermostats per floor.
A thermostat per floor. Oh yeah, that's that's the code.
So there if you had to sell it, because there
has to there's only what three degree two to three
degree difference allowed between upstairs and downstairs and new construction,
and it's been that, yes, sir. So the other thing,

(15:18):
the duck work. You may say two and a half
tons can't do it. The duckwork may not be able
to handle the three ton blow or whatever next size blower.
It's up. It is designed for the amount of duckwork
you have.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you're you're probably looking at an entire system. Clark,
uh So, the outdoor unit, the indoor unit that blows.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah, yeah, they said due to condense or in the
air handler.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Air handler, and then you may need to rework some
of the DUC work because when they put in a
zone system, they're putting in dampers, right, Dave. They are
controlled by a zone a zone system, correct.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yes, sir. There so there will be a thermostat downstairs,
a thermostat upstairs, and then we're the air handlers located.
There'll be a small computers called a zoning board, and
they talk to each other. So when the downstairs is satisfied,
it closes and lets the air conditioning go upstairs and
vice versa. And to alleviate that extra pressure when one

(16:15):
zone closes down, they put what's called a bypass gamper
UH on the unit to let uh don't let the
pressure build up and to let the air recirculate through
what's left. So it's not something to be messed with
as far as you upsizing the system, it should be
left the way it is.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes? Yes, I wasn't told. I mean, I don't certain
areas like Meccanburg County. I'm not in Meccanburg County. I
didn't know if that was a certain areas like requirement
on the thermostat.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
No, I think that's statewide, international, international, international codes.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Now yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Really okay, because he didn't say anything about the wind
that I've talked to about.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, you need to make sure and you'll be more comfortable. Yeah,
it's gonna cost you a little bit more money on
the front end. But you know, as we say often
on the show, can you put a price on comfort?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I think I think look at that and it becomes
a selling feature down the road.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Absolutely, you'll get your money return on investment on that one.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, So talk with them, of course, I don't. I
don't know where you're at. But where are you at? Where?

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Where? What county are you in?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (17:25):
This is Hory County, Ry.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
County, Okay, So yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I would just call a couple other folks down there
and and talk to him about that, about coming in
and looking at that system. You know, if they don't
offer up that zoning uh for you, you may want
to move on to the next guy. Absolutely, because they're
not being honest with you, because that's what they're supposed
to do. It sounds like they're if they're not going

(17:50):
to include that or talk to you about price of it.
They're probably not going to permit it either.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
So well, he's kind of a guy that's kind of
worked on it over the years for me, and he's
not a big chain or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Right, just got it.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
He just said that's what he would go with. Just
he said, an Ifict is a good economical brand. He said, Carrier, all.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Right, hey, Clark, I'm gonna put you on hold. We
got we gotta go to a break, so the whole tight.
We'll finish you up off the air. Folks will be
back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Welcome back. It's the Home.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Depot Home Improvement Show with John to Dave, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Then I'm David Drew with North and South Carolina Air
NASCAR Air.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
All right, Dave, thanks for joining us. Lines are open.
Seven zero four five seven oh eleven ten.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
We did finish.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Clark off the air, and hopefully he will get that
taken care of.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Down in Horry County.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Dave and I were thinking that we needed to take
a little trip down there to inspect that place at
Myrtle Beach by sir. He didn't offer us an invite,
so he's missing out all right.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Hey, let's do the product of the week this week.
In honor of Fire Safety Month.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
October every year is a two pack of fire extinguishers
at at home Depot. It's the Kidda, the basic one ten.
These are two extinguishers two and a half pounds each.
They're not real big, but they're perfect for a kitchen.
You know, you could have one in the garage. You

(19:29):
may want something a little bigger out there, depending on
what's going on.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
But these are the.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
ABC so they're good for the three different types of fire,
so I would check it out. We've talked about this before.
Technically you're supposed to have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen,
one on each level of the house. Not a bad idea.
To have one in the laundry room if you have

(19:55):
a gas fired dryer, but even an electric ones maybe
bad idea. But hopefully you're cleaning your vent regularly. I
know you see it often, Dave, yes, sir. And then
one in the garage so they have that. And then
if you have a fireplace, maybe one tuck awave, you know,
beside the arm of the couch or somewhere. Remember when

(20:18):
you have a fire extinguisher, especially in the kitchen. Don't
put it underneath the stove or above the stove because
chances are that's where the fire would be and.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
You can't get to it. You may not be able
to get near it.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
So anyway, check that out. It's the the kid at
home home. It's one A ten BC Class ABC fire extinguishers.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
They're two and a half pounds. Check them out there.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's they're forty four ninety seven and it looks like
they have one hundred and eighty one of these in.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Stock at home depot at this time.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So check that out and be prepared.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Holidays are coming up too.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, it's not a bad idea. I think the other
thing that we that that gets missed on that is
that you really should you really should have everyone in
the house trained on how to use it. I mean,
and I'm talking you know, teenagers on up. I mean,
I guess a younger child could probably handle that too,
just in case, because you know what would they do.

(21:20):
But at least let them know where it's at and
you know how to pull the pin.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
You can look at the gage.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
You should check your fire extinguishers at least once a year.
Make sure they're charged, and I think, you know, that's
that's half the battle right there. I think that, And
I think the fire blankets that you can buyer another
another great thing. So you can just open that, have
that fire blanket ready, you just throw it over top.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And it smothers, It smothers the fire.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So you know, grease fires or kitchen fires are usually
it's from Greece.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
We were talking about that off air and how dangerous
they can be. So anyway, we won't we won't work
that death. But it is fire safety months, So I
think it was worth a couple of minutes of chatting
about fire extinguishers.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Out of sight, out of mind. That's why you need
to bring it up.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, just something something that we have to
think about.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
One more thing we need to think about, right yeah,
in life.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
But yeah, so our conversation with Clark about his unit,
and he said that he had a guy that was
just going to help him out and help him get
a system put back in there. So they probably just
sound like maybe they weren't going to permit it, because
if it's if it's the international code, if it's across

(22:34):
the United States, then that means they want you to
bring it up to the energy SPACs.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
They want you to be able to cool and.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Heat the upstairs with their own thermostats, right, But that's
for your own comfort.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
So it is. And obviously it became an issue back
in the nineties or before, you know, we would just
zone it one thermostat down and then have manual dampers
in the attic to change it every season. Well, that
became an issue, and therefore they made a code where
you now have to have a two thermostats and a
zoning board to do all that for you. Because most
people don't want to get in the addict to start
messing with handles and directions and which way is the return,

(23:11):
which way it is applied. Not nobody wants that. So yeah,
it did come about because of need and safety again
getting into the attic.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Well in comfort.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I mean, so people are turning their downstairs unit, turning
it way down, and you're freezing downstairs in the summer,
but it's still hot upstairs, and zoning takes care of that,
es right, so that it's putting the air upstairs when
you need it and it's not blasting downstairs the entire time,
where you really don't need it.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
It becomes you know, like with the Honeywelled products. It's
so durable now, and it's so it's easy to adjust.
You see these numbers, just go, I want this percentage upstairs.
It's a percentage downstairs. The computer takes care of everything else.
And yes, it's even though they're in the hot attic.
That stuff is you know, it's durable. Yes, last forever
I should have said that, but yeah, it lasts for
a very long.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Time, lasts for a long time. It does well. And
it's just a little motors, right that turn those dampers
open and closed.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yes, they've made them stronger, insulated and again easier to work,
and also taking them apart. If you have to replace motor,
just snap in, snap off versus the other one. You
take screws and everything else apart, right, take it apart. Again,
they've made it very easy for us to install these
zoning systems.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
So for anyone out there that's listening that still has
one single unit for a two story house, or I
mean you can zone a ranch house too, right, I
mean to send air conditioning. Maybe you want a little
bit more in the master bedroom, so you could zone
that as.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Well correct, Yeah, you and I have had this conversation.
The zoning thing can get out of hand with the builders.
Three stories, one unit, you know. I don't like that. Yeah,
that none of us do it. It's terrible. You know.
Well we got three thermocets you have, which still have
one unit. So where's that air going once these other
areas closed down? Nobody seems to be happy right with

(24:55):
that setup. And I think I told this past year,
we've changed out a general brand new house been their year,
one big unit for the entire upstairs of the house,
and he asked us to pull it out and we
put in two systems.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Well there you go, and that was about comfort.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Correct, heat right, very yet very much in tune with
his house and said, I can't live like this with
these zones working, not working whatever. So he asked us
we didn't install or anything. It was new construction, but
that was his desire and he thrilled. Next thing, you know,
we're putting a mini split out in the garage. Not happy,
you know, it just it goes from there, right, they

(25:36):
do the right thing by people.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Right. Well, comfort is the name of the game, so
you know it comes with a price tag. But I
think with the newer.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Equipment, I think there's some savings and you'll get the
return in the form of the electricity bill and the
gas bill.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
But you have to.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Remember, you can't you can't just do it with the systems.
You have to make sure you have insulation in the attic.
It's very important to make sure that you're you're to
capacity or as as much insulation as they require, which
most houses, uh Older houses were were it was our
thirty and now it's our thirty eight. So now it's

(26:16):
now it's more insulation in the attic, which is we
still say is the best place to spend your money.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
First, it's and it's actually the cheapest, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Is to bring your your your insulation up to code
in the in the attic. And then the next thing
would be windows, making sure that your your your windows
are energy efficient. All windows now have low e codings
for especially for the south for the sun that bounces
the heat waves off of the glass and it doesn't

(26:47):
let as much heat come through the windows. And anybody
that's ever been around just just a single pain glass
and then just a thermo pain and then you add
low e to a thermo pain. You're it's it's three
totally different experiences with the heat gain on the house.
But all windows have it now, so don't be fooled

(27:08):
if somebody says that their windows that much better than
someone else's. Everybody has to start from a level playing
field of low e thermopane glass, you know, then you
go from there. Is it a thicker air space between
the glass? Is it triple pain? John and I both agree,
unless you have a noise issue. If you're on a road,
that's a good place for triple paines here in the South.

(27:31):
But other than that, it's until you get into a
colder climate, it's probably not worth the worth the upgrade.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
I wouldn't think. I don't know how you feel about it, but.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
No, I'm to put myself out of business here. But
what you just said, especially restoring an older home, well
just when I say older, let's talk about something like dilworth.
Those things heating and air should be your last thought.
The first thought should be, like you said, the roof,
the insulation, the windows, all those other things, Because we

(28:02):
could put a new heating and air system in and
just leak it.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Right out the Yeah, you're dumping it all why And
the other thing is is if the house is tighter,
you may not have.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
To have as big a system.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yes, like, but again I can't remember. Like you're foaming,
I don't think that affects We're not allowed to include
that in the load. I don't think at this point.
Maybe we are. Somebody can correct me, But you're foaming
has such a massive impact on the load of the
house as far as what you need your hoge.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh yeah, absolutely, because if we wouldn't have done that,
we would have needed much more air conditioning.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
So but I think we're good, all right.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think we slipped past our break time here just
by a minute or two.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Let's do that.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
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(29:20):
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Speaker 4 (29:22):
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Speaker 3 (29:23):
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Speaker 2 (29:28):
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(29:50):
everybody's sleeping.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
I guess, I don't know. Maybe maybe they went by
Dunkin Donuts. Huh.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Maybe they did and had two pumpkin donuts. Everything's pumpkin Now.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I knew you did because I could see that at
the corner of your mouth.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yes, there's a glaze on that. Everything's it's Trader Joe's time.
You know, you get told everything they're pumpkin.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Everything's pumpkin spice.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh yeah, but so yeah, so back to back to
the HVAC stuff. And then you were telling Clark a
little bit about the new refrigerants. And we've talked about
this in previous shows, but it has changed, right, So
the refrigerant that most of us have in our units

(30:38):
now is that equipment's not available that uses that refrigerant.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, And anything that is available is being saved for
customers who are still under warranty. Okay, they get first,
did so unless you're And how much of that's out there,
I don't know. But as I was telling you earlier,
I was in class this week, updated class on the
new systems, the new refrigerant. We've been through before, but
this one was more of less scare tactics for us

(31:04):
and more of this is what we're seeing, This is
how it's working. Here is the charging practices, UH, to
commission the unit. And I know I've heard that seems
like sort of a military term. I remember, where's commission
to get something started right? And it was a very
good class. No hype, no fear, just uh, best practices,

(31:25):
especially purging the refrigerent lines before you attach a new
system to it, you know, a new system to an
old system. We'd been using some chemicals before, which were fine,
maybe not so much in this with this refrigerant. Just
cleaning out the lines really well with nitrogen a couple
of times. Multiple vacuums. H And if you want to

(31:45):
explain what vacuums are to the listeners.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, you explain that so that people understand. So purging
the line is you're you're capturing the old refrigerate if
it's if there's still.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
In there, yeah, and that is recovery, right, recovery of
any old refrigerant. Then we cut the lines loose from
the part in the attic to the party outside and
we blow nitrogen at very high pressure through both lines
to make sure there's no water, there's no oil, there's
nothing left. And you don't do it once. You do
maybe two or three times if you really want to

(32:18):
do a good job. And after you get it sealed
back up, everything braives back in place. Or now they
are using mechanical crimps. They're trying to get away from
braizing because of the carbon that builds up inside when
you braize. So there's these machines that runs. I think
it's about five thousand dollars now for us to purchase
and buy the fittings that go around the quarter inch

(32:40):
line three eighth half inch water or three quartern and
that stops that other issue. Then once it's all sealed up,
we pull it's called a vacuum. Just like it says.
As a vacuum, we make sure that there's no oxygen, moisture,
anything in there. It's called non condensables because the compressor
can only compress refrigerant. That's it. And once that practice

(33:02):
is done correctly, as with anything else in life, if
you do it right, the rest of it's gonna go
great and longer life everything else you have. Somebody doesn't
know what they're doing with this new refrigerant or the
motors whatever. Buyer, beware, it's it's not for amateurs. It
is not Hey, beer can cold. I've been doing this

(33:22):
for so long. We are constantly being updated with these
classes on this new equipment. And so you know, think
you know, Reem has been exceptional at keeping us updated.
We put us in the Marriot Hotel last week and
we're off Woodlawn and if class was full and you
gotta pay to get in these classes, because you gotta pay.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
These instructors sure and rent the room and all that.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
And they do. But I was very impressed by, uh
the presentation not having that you better do it this way,
you better do it that way. It was more of
here's what we figured out right, It's gonna work great
if you do if you follow these best parser actices.
So and you're talking about equipment that you know, our
cost can be around just the equipment, but no labor, nothing,

(34:08):
five six thousand dollars in equipment cost before you even
touch it, you break it, you own it on it.
Because the first thing when you call and you got
a problem, you call the factory or the rep. Did
you do this? Uh, crickets. So you just do their
best practices and they'll stand behind you.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Okay, So so there you go. So the continuing education
is imperative. Then yes, for the new for the the
new equipment. And again it sounds like not interchanging refrigerants
or any other contaminants is important. So you can leave
the lines because I think that with the four ten
A it was a problem at first they didn't they

(34:50):
would prefer They at first said you couldn't you reuse
the lines?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Wasn't that what they were?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yes? Again, scare tactics, right, so they would have a play.
Well you didn't do this. Thank god, they're not doing
this this time. They're saying, if you use these back practice,
you don't have to worry about X, and so that's
what we're doing. You cannot purchase any r for toen equipment.
That's done, and so you cannot mix and match equipment.

(35:17):
Now the furnace can stay if you've got a furnace,
not a heat pump, a furnace that can stay. And
then you just replace the outdoor unit and the evaporator
coil with the new stuff. But then, as you know,
if the furnace breaks, you have to take that part
stuff back off of it and replace the furnace.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Right, so you pay me now or you pay me later,
touching it all again.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Touching it all again. And you know, I don't know
how much this will resonate with the listeners, but it's
it's changing so fast, David.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I understand, and so and I think this just gives
some explanation of the extra cost and what you guys
are going through and what you guys are selling. I mean,
you guys are selling what they've given you to sell.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And of course there's research and development fees. All that's
included in this. So in the end, who the end
user is the one that pays for all of it.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, it's unfortunate, but they have to.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, me and you and everybody else so that has
these systems installed. But you want to make sure that
these are the kind of questions that you ask, you know,
are you are you updated. You know, if you guys
been doing your continuing edge education, you know it's not
like it used to be.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
No as we as this stuff, as this equipment, because
more and more efficient, the integrity of the duck work
has become fifty right of this solution, we bet if
duckwork better be probably sized or this will not work.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
It won't work, you won't get the efficiency.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Then no, because the blower motors are sensing the back pressure,
the static pressure, they're ramping up, the ramping down, and uh,
you don't want to make any harder on it blower
than you have to.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
So and as we've said in the past, and I
know we're almost up, we're right up against a break here.
But we used to sell the time if you went
to the higher seer units, and I know some of
that has changed and they have some different different names
for it in the way they're calculating, But it didn't
make sense to upgrade your system and go to that
high seer system without upgrading your duct work. Right, clogged

(37:18):
arteries right exactly, which is a is a good way
to look at it, or leaking yeah, arteries, because now
you're taking all that expensive equipment and you're you're cooling
down the air, your heat in the air, and they're
sending it through duct work and part of it's not
making it to the register. It's going in your attic
or your crawl space.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, and when we come back, we could talk about,
you know, there's almost no need for heat trips now
on some of this equipment. It goes down to right
fifteen degrees below zero and still producing heat.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
And we're not in that environment, so we have that
there's really no need for heat trips.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Right, Okay, listen, We're gonna take a break. Gives call
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Speaker 4 (39:02):
All right, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
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Speaker 3 (39:07):
I'm Dave Doval and I'm David Drew with North and
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Speaker 4 (39:11):
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Speaker 3 (39:13):
We appreciate it. Sir.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
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(39:35):
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Speaker 2 (39:38):
Line driven by Liberty gmc. Dave's been good enough to
come in. So if you have questions about your ace,
your your air conditioning, you know from this past year,
or you're looking forward, maybe a furnace maybe you know,
chances are you going to need a whole new system,
is what it's kind of sounded like. I do know

(39:59):
that a gas furnace lasts longer in the South than
it does in the north, you think, so a lot
of times you can get away with a gas furnace,
and and and you can buy yourself some time. Uh
And and I know we talked about that connecting new
equipment to it, and then if the furnace goes bad,

(40:22):
or when it goes bad, it's not if it's when
down the load, you're gonna have to detach that equipment
and reattach something else to it.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
So and I guess it would depend on the complexity of.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The of the work, right, so it's a real tight,
hard job to get to. Then it may it may
behoove you to change it at that point in time.
If you have lots of room, nice platform to work
off of in the attic and and you know it's
an easy situation or a cross space, then you know,
maybe that changes changes your mind on that. But but

(40:55):
there's been advances in furnaces too, has there not?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I mean ours is I mean, I guess here we
go fish, I know, yeah, we go. I'm not bragging.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
No, what's the yeah, the guess furnaces They don't get
much for work out here. I mean now you think.
I mean, I'm not gonna lie. People aren't calling in
with no heat or no air conditioning. Right now. We're
out there doing the main and just cleaning the system,
to making sure duckworks still atach, make sure there's no roads,
making sure drains are cleaned, all these things, preparing for
the winter and for next season. Right, that's why you

(41:28):
get this stuff done now, so you're not in first prize.
What I do would like people do is test their
heat right now, in the next few days or whatever,
before it does get down into the first forty degree
night where they're looking for it.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
But most people we do that, we do that anyway,
And I'll tell you one of the reasons we do it.
That reason most of all to make sure that it's working.
But the other reason is that that initial smell. Yeah,
so we can open up the windows and the doors
and turn the furnace on for a little bit and
then it'll air out and you're not you're not trapped
at a cold.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
House and you're e machine turn at the same time, right, Yeah, exactly.
That's most people. That's when they called it, I got
the smell. Well, if you started up a few weeks earlier,
that could have gotten rid of that, because all you
do is baking the dust off the heat exchanger, and
that's all it is.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
And you can smell it. You can tell what it is.
I can.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Oh yeah, it's like singing skin.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah so but yeah, so it is a good idea
on it, and a day like to day wouldn't be
a terrible day to do it.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
You could still it's still going to be warm enough outside.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
You can open up the doors and windows, just turn
it on. Let it run, you know, let it cycle
and then since the air is a little cooler, it'll
cool right back off in the house.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, I think that's a great idea. Just had just
a fresh air exchange into the house too.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, absolutely, so pull a little bit through and then
that way, you know, and if, of course, if the
house heats up and it's and it's tight, and we're
talking about gas furnaces, I mean, I know there's gonna
be a little dust on the emergency of heat strip too.
You can burn that off, but it's I don't know,
it just doesn't seem to be as bad and you
could mallet, but it seems to dissipate quicker.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
The only thing that heat pumps in this, like we
discussed in the summer, when they start up, they.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, they have the what do you guys call it
the dirty socks.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
As they can have that dirty sock syndrome. But we
haven't had that in course, so something may have changed
here with coils oils. Yeah, so something definitely has has changed.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Maybe what they they're made out of, or how they're connected,
what do they do they quit making them.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
They're they're a complete illuminaut, which you would think would
be more introduce but it's not so I don't know.
We get less of the dirty sock syndrome but back
there in the the nineties, two thousands, but over the
last seven years that has completely tapered off the dirty

(43:45):
sock syndrome. Smell could also be again efficiency the equipment.
But we were talking about the heat pumps, the sigh
discharge heat pumps, and my quession said, you don't need
emergency heat. It probably wouldn't be harmful to put it
a small heater. You know, they'll off through five to
ten kW whatever strip heat and back up. There is
electritric heat every heat pump air handler, and I equipped

(44:08):
that you really probably won't need it with these new
super high energy heat pumps, but it's probably good to
have one in there. It probably will never come on,
but better safe, but as a backup, as a backup.
But I have one in my house. I have one
of these high efficiency double stacked four ton units and

(44:34):
uh my gas, my backup gas is a gas furnace.
I don't need it.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yeah, and that's a nice thing to have.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I think I had that conversation with someone not long ago.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
They didn't have natural gas available, but they did.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
But but they said they were willing to put in
pro paane and that was one of the things we
talked about. And I said, uh, and I think it
was exactly that, about the backup electric heat.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
And I said, well, do you know, do you have
a you know, a fireplace. They said, well, we're thinking
about putting in gas logs. And I said, well it's
not a bad idea. And if you even though you
don't have natural gas available, you could go to pro
tank propane with a large tank.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
And then and then I said.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
That could be your backup because you could turn your
furnace on the blower and draw that heat from from
from the logs and let it pull back and that
would you know, it could supplement your heat of all things.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
So you and I were talking about Union County and
I've been looking into places out there to move to.
And what i want. I want to be in a subdivision.
I want to be, you know, on a brick house
by myself. Whatever. Uh. There's not much gas natural gas
out on a lot of these places out there. No,
they're all heat pumps. And but I would do what
you just said, put a propane tank in and use

(45:47):
that its backup heat sure instead of because you know,
power outage, you're out there but nowhere, right, and a
generator generator you got it. That's it. General take care
of fernence and no problem.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Sure. So certainly something something to think about.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
But as as time goes on, what we talked about
was the systems are changing. Make sure you talk to
your your HVAC contractor about your duct work. Make sure
that it's it's up to snuff, make sure it's good,
make sure it's not leaking. If it's if it's if
it was put in before before the year two thousand
or before nineteen ninety nine, I think is when they

(46:26):
started forcing them to be sealed. Your duct work's not sealed.
It was taped and it was it was sealed today.
It was put in, probably not very well, but it
was sealed up. But I promise you it is. It's
it's coming apart now and you're dumping a bunch of
conditioned air in places you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And think about duckboard too. Now you know I've seen
this go full circle from metal to ducktbard to duckboard.
Now back to metal. Those duckboard systems are mostly collapsed,
right that are twenty five thirty years old. It's sure
they're taking on moist or they're soft, they're leaking. I
saw a picture of one yesterday. It's like, you know,
this guy's talking about a water heat they exchange to

(47:07):
change out of crawl space. And I looked at this
picture and I said that the duck works collapsed because
it was duck board under the house. Right. And again
we've seen this come full circle now, so that you're
heating in the air, company should be checking your duck
work and also water in the crawl space. If they're
doing a good job, you know, say how's my crawl
space look.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
And that's it. You get some good feedback.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Get your inspection done well, because.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
A lot of the funny you say, a lot of
insect inspectors what do you call termite inspector? A lot
they won't tell the homeowner, Hey, your crawl space, I
saw this puddle in your crawl space, or this or
that that. And by the way, a lot of them
don't even go into the crawl space. They do the
spring from the outside, you know that, yeah, and do
a pinpoint. I don't know how many get under, but
we're underneath there crawling the whole thing to check the
duck work, and so ask your heating.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
It's worth done so, and it may be worth it
to have someone check your duct work if you're in
an older home, anything that pre nineteen ninety nine, and
you know even after that, it's not a bad idea
just to check it because anything can happen. Somebody could
have crawled through there and crawled over a duckted and

(48:12):
crushed it or taken it, tore it loose.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Or ripped it.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Well, it happens all the times.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, because there's other other contractors that are in there,
and you know, sometimes they don't realize what they've done
is destroy the duct work and.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
It's well, they don't want to tell anybody, it'll want to.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Be embarrassed, possible, possible, or they don't want to pay
for it.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
It could be any any of the above, but anyway,
duct work's important and if you're using a new system
or you're installing a new system, it needs to be
the ductwork needs to be checked and it needs to
be upgraded if need be, and it certainly needs to
be sealed.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Just it'll it'll save a whole bunch of whole bunch
of issues. I think.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
With that said, let's let's go. Let's go take a break.
Seven zero four or five seven eleven ten. We attend
here by phone or by text. We'll be back with
more or home improvement information after this.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Welcome back. It's the Home Depot Home Improvement.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Show with John and Dave. I'm Dave Doval and I'm
David Drew with nascare Well glad you joined us. Gives
a call seven zero four five seven h eleven ten,
same number for the text line. That's what this this
gentleman has done. So ohio number says, please discuss HVAC
winner condensation management tactics. Discharging condensation outdoors and our infrequent

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below freezing weather causes condensation to freeze, backing up the condensation,
eventually stopping the unit. Mecklenberg County doesn't allow saddle connections
to the drain right no and so condensation into attic
vent pipes, and newer homes with LDL center beams LVL

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center beams aren't exposed to be are supposed to be
drilled to allow condensation piping run to the laundry room,
so you can't dump it down the laundry faucet if
you can't get there to it right or to the.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
We've had bad experiences with dumping into the laundry. It's
I think we discussed this. Because the water that goes
off the evaporator comes off the vaporhaorle on that aluminum,
it changes, it changed its composition.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Right, more acid, isn't it right?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And it becomes slimy and sticks. I think I showed you.
I believe we showed you are John the picture of
when we saw the summer. When we perched out, it
was like a Ghostbusters thing. They slimy, it was all
over the ground and so yes, so something is going
on and we do not like dumping into the laundry drain.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Right, So what's the answer. What is the answer if
you're in a freezing climate.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
There's two things. There's well, one insulate with armorflex as
much as you can of that line. And the other
thing is this being where he is. What's that electrical
tape that they put around pipes to keep the pipes form.
Run that as far as you can to the end
of that and that should help. But the other part

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is the cold air. I don't know where it discharges
he's not telling me where it's discharging, right, and if
it's near the ground, it's more likely going to freeze, correct,
So he's got to come up with some type of
PVC or something around it to keep that freezing cold
air from the ground first twelve inches so it's not
as cold. And so you know, again, I'm just trying

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to keep it insulated. We had that happen this past
couple of years ago, gentlemen. His fault. He admitted he
changed the drain. It was down the side of the
house while he decided to move it out into the
gravel towards the driveway right up again. And it was
that I'll never get the day. It was Christmas Day,
and it was we had eight degrees that morning, was

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two years ago, three years ago, and so many people
called in with their condensate drain freezing right, and what
do you you know? So what we did was we
fixed it insulated all the way to the ground. That's
about the only thing to do. But I've always thought
that the electrical tape idea, the yeah, the heat tape,
the heat tape. The heat tape was a really smart

(52:38):
idea too, to keep that pipe a little bit warm
as the water exits, right, But as you know, we
don't have that problem here really fair.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, that was a that was an anomaly whenever we
froze up.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I don't remember getting that cold being here.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I mean, I've seen it that cold before, but normally
it's reserved for.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
January and February.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
For it to be that cold that early in the
year was unusual, and we had a week of that
I think of extremely cold temperature.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
It was, but those two days were both eight degrees.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
The day and didn't get above right, No, did not
get above I don't think I got above thirty two
for several days. And that's when we that's when we
can be in trouble here with freezing that we normally
wouldn't have. That's you know, that's when we tell people
to make sure your your vents are closed in your
crawl space, if they're not already sealed up and closed,
make sure they're closed, open up your cabinet doors on

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outside walls.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
And when we have a cold.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Snap, we kind of always go through all of the
things that that you can do, you know, to keep.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
That from happening. But I'd like the heat tape idea
on the condensation line.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
He probably doesn't know this, but we don't have a frost.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Line here, right, I mean we.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I'm sure he does, right, a pretty deep one where
he's at.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Well, yeah, depending on where you're at, but a lot
of a lot of it's forty eight inches, so really, yeah,
that's how deep you have to put your footings in
the ground up there because because of that. So, yeah,
you really need to you really need to be heating
that pipe in order to keep it from freezing. There
has to be some standard for that.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Oh, the farmers use that table all the time to
keep their pipes.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Sure, because you have well pipes, or if you're feeding
the cows stock sure you're running water out there, and
you know, of course the other thing is to keep
it running.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
But it does get cold enough up there.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Sometimes even running water, you know, a trickle will freeze.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
The thing I just thought about, too, is the pitch
of that drain. Of course, the greater pitch, the quicker
that order will push down rather than just sort of
trickle and give it a chance to freeze.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So do you think the other option is when you're
running a condensation line is to come out higher Most
of the time, we come out as low level as
you can, but if you come out higher off of
the ground, I guess you could you could put I
don't know. I don't think you would want that pipe
exposed any more than you have to outside. Right, No,
so once it goes through the wall, you make your turn,

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and that you shouldn't have any more than that sticking
sticking out.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
And and then of course these.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
High efficiency furnaces, gas furnaces, they have condensation too, right.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Well, I believe that's what he's talking I'm assuming that's
what he's talking.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I think he was talking about.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yes, yes, yes they do. They provoke the high efficiency
furnaces with the white flue pipe create an incredible amount
of you know, condensate that comes out, and that's what
we've had freeze.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Right winter condensation. Yeah, so that is that is what
he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
He also mentioned the windows, didn't he attic No?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Okay, uh yeah, so just just so it's just freezing
in its icicles. You know, you have icicles hanging hanging
off and even the larger pipes.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
But I guess you're right.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I think that's it is insulation and heat tape, and
you could put the heat tape on.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Ah, I think you could.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Put them on a thermostat. Yes, So if you could
put them on a thermostat, then all you have to
do is make sure every once in a while that
they're working, because they do burn up eventually, and and
it'll break the bar.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Such a low voltage, it's so small, Yes it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Is, there's no doubt about it. Wow, here we are already,
we're at another break. Let's let's get ready for that.
Seven zero four five seven oh eleven ten. That's uh,
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Speaker 4 (56:56):
All right, welcome back. It's Home Depot, Home and pre
Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I'm Dave Doval and I'm David Drew with Nascair.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
And lines are open. Seven zero four five seven oh
eleven ten. We'd love to hear from you right now.
We're gonna do the product of the week, and this
week it is the Kid Home. It's a one A
ten BC Class ABC two and a half pound fire
extinguisher and it's a two pack for forty four forty

(57:25):
five dollars really forty four ninety seven. Plenty of them
are available. I'm sure all the stores must have them,
as they have one hundred and eighty one in stock
at the home depot in Pineville.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
So important to have a fire extinguisher, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
This is a way to start out to get two
of them, so you'll have two of them, so at
least you get the kitchen covered and then possibly one upstairs.
But really should have one on each each floor of
the house. One one in the kitchen, one in the garage.
If you have a fireplace or a grill, you know,
outside maybe a good good place to have one as well.

(58:04):
I think maybe at fire blanket's a good idea for
the grill. Uh you know, I don't know. I don't
have one, but I'm thinking about getting one just in
case we've never had an issue. But we're also the
grill is in an area that wouldn't matter if it
you know, it's on a hose and I could pull
it away from the house a pretty good way.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
So mind it in my car port. That's probably not smart.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Well, as long as you can roll it out right.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Like Eddie and the yard.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, pick it up and carry it, throw it out there.
But anyway, check out these check out these fire extinguishers.
It's a pretty good deal. It's a two pack for
for forty five bucks. They're small, but they're they're they're handy,
and they'll take care of most fires. They're ABC rated,
so that's for a class.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
A common.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Uh common combustibles. Class B is flammable liquids and gases,
and then C is for energized electrical equipment, so you
kind of cover all your bases. Is it's not the
best extinguisher for a grease fire, but it's better than nothing.
A blanket might be better, but a K if you

(59:10):
if you fry a lot of food, if you're if
you're deep frying a lot of things, then you should
probably look into a K type extinguisher. It puts out
a different a different product, different chemical that that really
suffocates and smothers a grease fired.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
It doesn't allow it to spread.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You know, one of the worst things you could do
is throw water on a grease fire, and of course
electrical fire too. You won't, you know, you really don't.
If electrical if it hasn't disconnected, it could be it
could be an issue. It could jump back on you.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
But check it out.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Make sure make sure you have at least a fire
extinguisher in the house. And also, by the way, this
extinguisher does come with a bracket so you can mount it,
so like if you have a pantry that's close by
the stove, so so you you do have the capability
of mounting it.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Like you said earlier, the family should be trained.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, it's it's just a good idea. And I guess
really what we should be doing is we should have
somebody in from the fire department too. Uh And and
maybe we'll do that, and that might be something that
we do the week I'm gone later this month, so
maybe get get somebody in here with the fire department
fire safety to finish out the month.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
You might be honest, something you know, like a family
day at the fire departments where they let people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
But we'll bring it in here the WBT. It'd be
family day at WBT for the fire department.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I think you're mining gold.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
There we go. We'll see what we can do with that,
all right. Uh So, Dave back to uh, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Said you were in a continuing education class this week
and I'm interested to hear a little bit more about
as as as all of us have. We have our
our air conditioners, the outdoor unit discharges from the top.
What's the advantage of this newer stuff that's going to
discharge out the side.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I really, you know, as you know, the United States
a little far behind on some of this stuff. If
you and I know you've seen these places all over
the world, Dubai, Taiwan, Europe, they don't have the room
we have for these huge outdoor units. They just don't.
So they have side discharges with their size of a
suitcase or a little bit larger than a large suitcase,

(01:01:14):
and they can mount them on a wall just outside
the windows. They got these steel bars theymount them too.
And I think that's again, as we're getting tighter as
a population in cities and everything, just like Charlotte, there's
no room to put these larger square outdoor units that
are thirty six inches tall, maybe forty inches tall and

(01:01:35):
on a thirty two by thirty two frame on an
apartment where you gonna put all these So this is
the advantage of these side discharge ones is the efficiency,
the size and getting in places where pretty much like
a mini split, right it is they are they are.
Some are stacked like too many splits on top of
each other, like one I have. But a lot of
the things we talked about this week in their class

(01:01:57):
or during the class was the people that tend to
watch their thermostats. It says you got to set its
seventy two and it says seventy one, and you're thinking,
it's not keeping up. This was believe or not a
thing of these people that watch their thermostats is an
issue calling to the companies. It's not keeping up. And
we dealt with that sum this summer, and then we

(01:02:17):
those of us in the industry are where it's called
heat anticipation or the swing of a thermostat, and what
you feel and what you see is not what the
thermostat feels and sees. So don't go you know you're
worried about a degree or two, don't worry about it.
And they sold They told us to bring that up
and talk to people or customers when they keep calling

(01:02:38):
in during the summer this thing isn't keep it up. Well,
truth matter is doing the best it can, right, and
that goes back to those very hot days and everything
but same with the heat there's an anticipator. Anticipator built
into it. That sense is when it's coming close to
what you want, and it will shut off before what
you want, knowing that there's residual heat on the heat
exchanger or where it's coming from. So that was one

(01:03:02):
thing we talked about. I'm trying to recall some of
the others that uh, but again, mostly it was being
prepared for what's coming down the pipe with the new equipment.
And I believe NASCAR and my competitors who attended that class,
uh are and they're noteworthy names. You know them if
I said them, they're noteworthy names. They are doing the

(01:03:23):
right thing by their customers. Uh. In that class with us.
Let's see what else. There's really not much going else
on because this was a very transitional year for our industry.
More questions than answers. Uh. The prices keep increasing, right
that we don't see any stop to that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
No, Well, and I think I think that to so
folks understand that it's it's what we said earlier, it's
research and development that all that time these guys are
spending all this money, these companies they have to redesign
these systems, and they have to test them, and they
have to make them work. They're going to get paid
for that money. It's no different than the pharmaceutical companies.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
That's absolutely what they charge.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Great analogy is how they charged why they charged so
much for a lot of the medicine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
I mean, I know we don't all agree with it,
but no, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
And here we do. We're here with heating and air conditioning.
You're you're dealing with copper aluminum circuit boards. And now
you know, with this peak we found out about the
uh titanium from China, the rare earth metals, how that's
going to affect all of us, our inability to access
as much rare earth metals. That affects everyday life, right anything,

(01:04:37):
So we are and of course the labor force is
getting paid more so again, when when I come to
your house, when my competitors come to your house, and
you go, what how much? I can tell you for
the most part, a great majority of my competitors they're
not doing it to harm anybody. It is the reality

(01:04:57):
of what it costs to get the because most it's
American maide right Green Goodman, Texas, Arkansas, you name it
Carrier New York, and so there is very little off
shore products coming in here. As far as heating here
now many splits, Yes, there's one manufacturing in the world

(01:05:18):
that pretty much makes all the compressors for your appliance
as you're you're refrigerator, you're many split outdoor unit, and
it's called Medea. Guess where they're located.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
China, China.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
They make all these compressors for our appliances that use
a compressor, and they're pretty much the only game in
town for that kind of micro circuitry and that kind
of efficiency. The other players, I couldn't tell you who
many of them are. But as far as some of
the bigger Many splits, there are still the Toshibas and Panasonics.

(01:05:50):
Compressors are still out there. But uh, as far as
appliance is no. But uh, that's that's where we're at
right now. We're held captive. We are held captive to
what's going on in the geopolitical world.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Right So there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I mean, it's it's you have, and it's it's even
more reason to take care of what you have, yes,
so that it doesn't get so it doesn't break down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
In you for lack of maintenance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
You know, I can't think of anything else other to
say about it than that it's gonna it'll have a
life expectancy, and that your older systems will last that
ten to fifteen years if you're taking care of them
most likely, unless there's just you know, something crazy, something
something going on inside of them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Will that gentleman say twenty years out of one, Yes,
twenty years, that's beyond and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
That's at the beach.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, that's unheard of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
So yeah, So so pay attention to that. And I
think that's that's about all you can do at this point.
Other than that, just tap your equity on your house
and have it available for when you do have to
change your unit out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
So hey, let's take a break. We went by just
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Give us a call seven zero four five to seven
oh eleven ten, or you can text us at that
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Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back. It's the

(01:07:38):
Whole Depot Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'm Dave Doval and I'm David Drew and Nascar Eating and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Cooling and we got about. We only have about four
or five minutes left. Uh we're a little bit. Uh,
we're a little bit behind on our time. So my bad.
It is what it is. Uh So it truly is
the lightning round.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
So if you do want to make a call, give
us a call seven zero four five seven zero eleven. Otherwise, Dave,
how do how do folks reach you guys during the week?

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
What's the best way?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Eight o three eight oh two eight eight eight four
our visit our websites. There's contact there. Our website's pretty good.
It's really good as far as contacting this. It also
has a map on there showing you our customers and
where they're located. It's a Google thing now that Google
wants to see that you are taking care of the area.
You say you're going to take care of eating here. Yeah,

(01:08:28):
and if you expand it, you know you can see
all these customers in the South Charlotte area, Southwest and
Southeast Charlotte area, so you know we're in those neighborhoods.
And of course I'm going to brag, right, we've got
a perfect five star review, perfect good. And that's hundreds
and hundreds and hundred reviews and it takes not an lie.
It takes a lot of work to keep everybody happy.

(01:08:51):
You can't keep everybody happy. You and I were discussing
that prior about sometimes you gotta cut, yes, cut the strings. Yeah,
somebody's beyond reasonable. But that's very, very rare. I started
this company from scratch back in two thousand and three.
When I met you a couple of years prior to that,
we became friends and it was, you know, awesome the

(01:09:12):
opportunity John and yourself gave me. And now here we
are twenty one years later. We made it. It's a
very and that's that's as it's tough to start a
business and make it. You know, they say most business
failed within what how many months or a year, five years,
five years, and especially in the trades where it's hard

(01:09:33):
to find extremely good help. That makes the customers happy.
But yeah, that's how they can get And by the way,
I know between myself, Kirby and Michael Kirby, you know,
Kirby is just set still. Part of the technical background
we have as far as Duck design figuring out what
the problems are with houses is unparalleled. And yes I'm bragging,
but we are that good as far as diagnosing the

(01:09:56):
envelope of a house and figuring out what is the
root of these problems. Same with s you know, wiring shorts.
It's not easy. It's expensive to track a short, and
we've talked about that. I've spent a week tracking a
short on an outdoor unit that had a very tiny
nick in a wire at the bottom of the unit,
trying to figure out where it was right. And it
was horrible, but we got through it with a very

(01:10:16):
patient homeowner. By the way, So we enjoy what we do.
We love what we do. But I do believe my
customers are so special because a lot of them been
with me since the beginning, and that's that's a testament
to the people that work in my office.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Me too, So I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
I just hope I don't move out of your area.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Well, we may be neighbors, we're both moved to the
same county. I have a funny feeling, so we'll be
able to make them make a make Santos make special
law yeah, trips to our houses.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
So I think other than that, that's uh, just just
let's just reiterate one more time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Let's talk about cape take.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Oh, we didn't talk about humanity, but we'll talk about
that coming up. Because winter, the furnaces will be coming
on before long. Some people probably have them on here
in the next couple of days because it's gonna it's
gonna cool down, especially.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
If you if you get cold easy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
But as we get into the debt of winter, we'll
talk the next time you're back about humidity. Humidity and
humidifiers and how important they are they are, and it
really and and and now is probably not a bad
time to have one added.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I think that story you told me earlier about that, gentlemen. Yes,
it speaks volumes to how important umidity is in a
house in the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Winner, how it'll dry, and how fast it can dry out.
And last year for some reason, was extremely dry. I
just I don't remember it being that dry. Our house
dried out into the forties of the low forty percent,
and that was it was. You know, we were running
two cool misters. And I think if our listeners remember

(01:11:51):
last year, you couldn't get them by January. You couldn't
even find one right that everybody because everybody had bought
them up. So they're not very expensive to have one
if you want to just do that, uh, and have
one that sits a standalone in a room, like for
the bedroom that you put water in. But the best

(01:12:11):
way is a steam humidifier that you could put on
your on your furnace.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
But we'll talk about we'll talk about that and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
We'll get deeper into that. With that said, we are
we're going to be out of time. So Dave, thanks
again for coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
We appreciate you. I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
We'll do it again. And Lonnie, thank you. We appreciate you. Folks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Remember, we believe that the most important kind of home
improvement is the one that makes your home.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
A happier place to live. Don't forget to work on
that this week. We'll see you next week right here
on WBT. Have a good week, be