The Home Improvement Show 11-15-25

Tune in here for this 11-13-25 episode of the Home Depot Home Improvement show on WBT with John Gordon and David Dovell.

On this edition of the program, John and Dave talk about the fast-approaching holiday season, the early rush of Black Friday deals, and the wide range of home improvement products now hitting the shelves.

Dave breaks down the variables—from light surface marks to deeper gouges—while John emphasizes the value of choosing standard stain colors for easier touch-ups down the road. With projects underway and Thanksgiving deadlines looming, the show mixes practical advice, humor, and helpful insights for anyone tackling home upgrades this season.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Home Devol Home Improvement Show with John and Dave
PRECENTII try pro answering your home improvement questions every Saturday
on News Talk eleven ninety nine to three WBT.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning, everybody, Welcome to the Home Depot Home Improvement
Show with John and Day.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good morning, David Doval.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
How are you all is well? How about you, my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Everything's good. Everything's good. Another week in the books, another
week ahead of us. God willing. Looking at a lot
of stuff this morning to talk about we got. It's
got the regular stuff and it's we're getting. In fact,
I think the formerly or technically Black Friday has started.

(00:48):
You know, I don't know. There's just so much going on.
Like I saw a funny T shirt at the grocery
store the end of last week and it was a
gentleman somewhat poor scene. So the billboard was big and

(01:11):
it was a turkey standing on top of Santa Claus
and it said, wait your turn, fat boy. It's like,
that's weird but kind of true. Let's have Thanksgiving before
we do Christmas. But I do get excited when I
look at all the stuff out there, and we're going

(01:34):
to have a guest this week from the home depot.
Usually once a quarter we bring somebody in just to
talk about some of the stuff. So this morning from
New York look at us. We're gonna have one of
the assistant managers up there, I think Alicia, Alicia Goodwin.

(01:54):
She's gonna call us a second hour and just talk
about some of the stuff that's out there.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Give a little heads up on what's what's uh, what's
on special?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Huh, Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot. And I did.
I went to the store. I was in the store
this week because well, David, you know, workinging on that
little project. But so I grab one of those flyers,
you know those they put out. Man, there's a lot
of good stuff. And then next week, David, this is

(02:24):
I've been promising to do this for only about six months. Appliances.
There's so many awesome appliances with all these different features
and benefits. There's actually a washer dryer combination. Like I
don't mean the stack of a washer on top dryer
on the bottom of vice versa. I mean one unit.

(02:44):
You put all your clothes in, it washes it and
then when the wash cycle is done, it dries it
and and very frankly, I think that there's a lot
to think about it and it's overwhelming. And so Jeremy
Green and Jeremy in my prior to my retiring and
I worked on a lot of huge appliance programs for

(03:07):
like multifamily folks and just and you really got to
kind of dial in. He's he's a wizard, so he's
going to help us just talk about how do you
sort through all the complexity that is choosing an appliance brands, features, benefits,
stuff like that. So thanks us to get that kind
of an education. You know, we're always taking your calls.

(03:27):
We're at seven oh four five, seven oh eleven ten
for both the phone and the WBT text line driven
by Liberty Viewick GMC. I love that text thing. People.
We can bank stuff back and forth, and so we
use it and give us a shout and we'll talk about, uh,

(03:48):
you know what's important for you. As we head into
the holidays, David, have you have you finished your current project?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Oh no, no, we're we're getting closer. Try to make
it by Thanksgiving, so we'll see it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's always done. Yeah, that's all it's like the holidays, right,
so everybody's trying to get everything. Yeah, it's to before
a company comes.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Tough this time of year. But you know, it is
what it is. Will will either be done or we won't.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know, you can't. You can't.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I learned a long time ago. You can't control it. So,
I mean, you could do the best you can do,
but things happen.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know you can plan it well, right, correct?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I did. I've planned it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
It was, Oh, that surprises me. That's that's a that's
a shocker. David plans.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
It's been an excellent plan. So sover.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh well, what do they say, the best laid plans
of mice and men get ruffled in the shuffle or
something like that. Probably does not know how they say it.
All right, Well, we got a lot of stuff to
talk about. Do you give us a call one of
the things. Just let me see. I'm just looking at this.
There's some stuff left over from last week that I
want to just go ahead and and pop out there
real quick if we could. I don't remember if I

(05:00):
talked about this or I said no, we don't have
time to talk about this. But there was a question
about hardwood floor and scratches and hardwood floor and how
to repair them. And it depends on how big the scratches,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, well really yeah, how deep it is?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
How deep? Right? Yeah? Like if it was somebody drug
refrigerator or and we all got stuck on something and
you got a big gouch, that's a different game than
just scratches. It may occur as just everyday life. What
what are your recommendations. I have a thought from from
a planning perspective also, but what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Well, I mean, if it's there's there's so many, so
many variables involved that it's it's it's tough to say,
so you can kind of just go through them. If
it's If it's if it's natural finish, there's no stain,
you really can go in a lot of times and
just do a buff, a pad and a recoat or
a buff and a recoad so they just barely touch

(06:02):
the surface and then you essentially are filling in light
scratches with polyurethane, and and that's that's the cheapest way.
If it's stained, you could kind of do the same thing,
but you have to touch up the stain a little
bit and after you sand and then you can then
you can put polyurethane. A lot of times you know

(06:22):
that it's been done. After that it's it's but it's
it's a band aid. The best way is to stand it,
you know, and you hate to say that. And you
know what is that everything in your hammer everything looks
like a nail.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So when you're when you're only when your only tool
is a hammer, there you go. It looks like a nail.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So yeah, so that when you're in the sanding business,
I mean, that is the best way to end up
with the best product when it's when it's finished. And
that there lies the problem if you if you go
in and just halfway do something and people are expecting
a miracle, then you know, you kind of get tru
over that. So yeah, the sand it sand it sand it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so here's something to think about. We're you know,
we're joking about planning, but when you're planning or choosing
a color for your hardwood floor, my strong suggestion is
you could so floor people woodworking people are absolute artists, right.
They can mix a concoction of of these different stains

(07:27):
and come up with a color that you just really love.
And I've done that just for different things that we're doing.
I mix some stuff together till Barb's like, that's the
one I like, right, And that's that's good. And and
arguably you kind of either keep the recipe or keep
some you know, for touch up. But I would suggest
there's a lot of good products out there. Pick a

(07:51):
standard stain and probably one that's been around for a minute, right,
and so that if you've got to do touch up,
you just go buy a half pint or whatever it
is of that particular color and you can touch it up.
I think I think that's that's kind of helpful. Usually,

(08:16):
if you think about all of the different manufacturers of
stains available at the Home Depot, at other home improvement stores,
at you know, paint stores, you can always find a
color that probably works with what you're gonna do. Anyway,

(08:37):
that's my thought. We've run past our break, so let's
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(09:17):
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Speaker 3 (09:19):
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This is a thirty second one. All right, let's get
to the questions we got more like this one, David.

(10:32):
This is I don't know all the I guess details
of it's hard to sort to. But fixing brush marks
and paint, I think that's probably most common. Like where
folks have painted overs like casings or trim, usually don't
see it so much on a wall. That's not hard

(10:54):
to fix, right, I mean, get a sanding sponge and
just knock it down and then come back.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on how
frozen it is in there, and you know.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
How big are the streaks.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
But yeah, a lot of times you can stand it
and then and then get a good coat of paint
and sometimes maybe two couple quotes here, and then it
kind of fills in between the ridges because it depends
on how ornate the molding is too.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So that's why I like this standing spodge or steel
will we'll do the same thing. It's just a little
bit messier, right, And then if you leave steel will
remnants then and you put a latext paint on it,
I mean you could literally get russ marks out here,
so you just want to be careful with that. Let's
talk to Jeff. Jeff, good morning. You're on the Home

(11:42):
Deep Balm of Puma show with johnn and Dave. How
are you, Good morning, guys.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
How you doing well?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah? It feels good.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah. So my my basic question is, we're in a rental,
two story.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Town house.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
We're an end unit. We get the sun in the
morning and then we get the sun in the afternoon
on our building. But since our heat has come on,
we are roasting upstairs and freezing downstairs. And you know,
since it's a rental, I know, we can't really do

(12:24):
anything physically to the to the uh to the place,
but we seriously are trying to figure out if there's
any options fans or or changes in the thermostat or
something like that that might help us try to sleep
upstairs without you know, basically, you know, sleep on top

(12:45):
of the covers because you can't.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Can't be under a cover. Classic, do you have one thermostat.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
We have one thermostat that is downstairs near where the
stairway is, you know, to come upstairs. We have a
really small we have a really small return on the
bottom floor, like a twelve by twelve, and then upstairs,
you know, just above where the stairs are, there's another

(13:15):
there's another return and I think it's like fourteen by twenty.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Or something like that, right, So, yeah, so just the
rules have changed on that. It used to be the
builders could get away with putting one unit in one thermostat,
so they had to they they they were they changed
the rules and you can either put two units in
one for upstairs, one for downstairs, or they can use

(13:40):
one unit, but they have to they have to zone
the system, which means they put a thermostat upstairs of
the thermostat downstairs, and then in the duct work system
they put some electric dampers that are controlled by these
thermostats to do exactly what you needed to do.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So you could set the.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Thermostat downstairs a little higher in the one upstairs lower
and what it'll do is it'll close the damper off
upstairs automatically and it'll send all of the heat to
the lower floor or in the opposite would be air conditioning.
So I think I think if I was you, I
would just contact the person you're leasing the town home

(14:23):
from and mention this to them and tell them that's
a possibility and maybe they'll.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Maybe they'll look at it.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
And think about having it done, but it comes with
the price tag and it's hard to do. It's tougher
to do after the fact because all that work will
have to be done in the attic. And if they
haven't run well, the ductwork can still be split. It's
just they have to do some work in the attic.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Gotcha, gotcha?

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I had the therm. Is that set downstairs at like
sixty five? You know?

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Just crazy?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
So yeah, you all most turn it off, So go ahead.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
This is going to say a couple of things you
might think of, Jeff, because I'm just in all sincerity,
I think there's three chances of your landlord making that change.
They are slim, fat, and none. And I'm not trying
to design your landlord. They're probably trying to figure it
out too. But I think what you might be able
to do, and David keep me straight here, but you

(15:21):
might be able to cheat just a little bit. And
one option, since the thermostats at the bottom of the stairs,
would be to put a fan upstairs and blow some
hot air down right, or you can fool the system.
I tend not to think that this is a good
idea in every scenario, but you could put an auxiliary heater,

(15:42):
no extension cores, but something placed a little bit closer
to the thermostat so that it would warm the air
around the thermostat up and then trip it. You get
the benefit of warming the downstairs a little bit and
thermostat kicks off so it doesn't fricka see you while
you sleep.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
I would do.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Those are a couple of things you might think about, right.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
So, like hanging a heating pad over the thermostat.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I did not say that.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
The electric blanket that you thought you might need up.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, you're not using it now. Yeah, make a tent
around the thermostat now. But I think there's some nice
David and I like, just as auxiliary heat, those oil
heaters that the heats up the oil and it has
a thermostat on it, so you know it kicks off.
It gives you a nice even heat. And you may
think if there's a way to position that close by

(16:39):
or just raise the temperature downstairs a little bit, either
by blowing some hot air from upstairs down or or
getting the thermostat to kick off. Yeah, those are some
things to think about.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
I think that that sounds great. Uh, we are we
are smarter than technology. We're going to make that work.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Have to be all right, all right, Jeff, good luck?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
All right, thanks, thanks you too, Jeff, thanks for the call. Yeah,
that's that's going to be expensive change. The dampers are great, right.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
But they're better now too than when they first started out.
But yeah, I would expect that that's it's it's at
least two thousand dollars if not more, to have that done.
But what he was talking about is exactly why they
changed that code because people are not comfortable, you know,
and you it's just you know, there they know there's

(17:35):
a solution for it, so they had to be forced
to do it. And that's you know, that's the sad
thing is that you know, you should be looking out
for your customer and their comfort and think, yeah, that's
what we hold for anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, I
know a little bit about like some of those rental
scenarios and and turnover, like one resident leaving and another
one coming in is a very expensive proposition for them
from a class cash perspective, right, but not everybody. If
you've got a mom and pop scenario, which arguably which

(18:08):
I know that's the largest scenario. We hear all the
talk about there's you know, these huge mega guys buying
up all the single family homes and stuff. They're certainly
out there, but ninety four point some percent of single
family or residential residence is occupied by someone other than
the owner, belonged to a small mom and pop group,

(18:31):
because that's there kind of like their retirement passive income.
It's a great thing, it's been around forever totally. I
think it's a wonderful thing. But it's also difficult to manage,
especially as energy prices and prices on everything continue to right. Right,
So all right, let's see a good Let's go back

(18:53):
to the casing for a second. We talked about the
brush marks. I presume that that was in casing or
in some kind of trim, just because that's usually where
you see it sometimes on windows and stuff like that.
You'll see it, right, David. But this is like nails.
Nail heads are popping or are raised in the casing,
like says, scratched. So it sounds like they've got a
nail that's just popped out from the casing or trim.

(19:16):
That's easy with a CounterPunch, right, just go buy a
CounterPunch and tap it back in.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
A little punch. That's all you need, little nail sat tool. Yeah,
you fill it and paint it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, it's easy to fix. If you don't have a
counter punch, you don't want to invest it, get a
sixteen penny nail, tap the pointy end a flat a
little bit and use it like a counter punch. Set
it in. And I've never done that, but it's possible
that it could be done that way in case you
can't find your CounterPunch because you moved. All right, we
are just seconds away from taking our breaks, so we're

(19:48):
going to go ahead and do that. We're at seven
oh four five seven eleven ten by phone or by text.
We'll talk about your homopropical customs when we return to
the Home Depot Home Improvement Show, which on a.

Speaker 7 (19:58):
Day Welcome back should the Home People Home Improvement Show.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
With John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
We're at seven oh four five seven eleven ten text
us at the WBT Text time driven by Liberty View
at GMC or call us. Charles called us. Let's talk
to Charles Charles. Good morning, you're on the whole people
of morning.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
I just want to call in and say a huge
thank you to you guys on the show. And I
want to thank you in two ways because I've been
listening for a couple of years now, and I've been
thinking about replacing my HVAC system. So by listening to y'all,
y'all taught me everything I needed to know when I
was getting estimates and I was dropping terms like load

(20:55):
calculation and dual fuel and variable speed. All right, I
had the homework on everything y'all talked about and it
totally paid off, so awes. When these companies came out,
a few of the guys said, hey, man, you really
seem to know your stuff, and I was proud to say, well,
I learned it all from listening to Home Improvement. So

(21:17):
I finally pulled the trigger.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
I went.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
I bought a really nice new system, a three ton
variable speed duel fuel trained with the Ozone air scrubber.
And that system cost me fifteen thousand dollars because you know,
the prices are high.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Now, yeah, but I got it, but I got a good.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
So.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
But now here's the best part of this whole story.
And then I'll hang up. But the bonus here is
that the lead installer, after they put this system in,
the main guy on the job looked at me and
he said, you, you seem like you really know what
you're talking about. Are you looking for a job? And
I'm retired technically, but but I worked part time, so

(21:58):
I said yes, And now I'm working part time for
his company, helping ordering and stocking parts and supplies in
the warehouse.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Guys. So I owe this all to.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
Y'all from listening to y'all because y'all taught me everything
I know well and and.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
The help of our of our our guests, our partners, right.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, they taught us to Yeah, Charles, don't sell yourself short.
Don't sell yourself short, brother, because you said something that's
really important. You did the homework, you heard all the things,
you heard all the terms, and then you rolled up
your sleeves and and and went and figured it out.
And so kudos. Oh yeah, and congratulations, man, that's great.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
I looked up everything on every website, every YouTube. I've
spent a couple of years researching this stuff, and and
I do feel like an expert, but I'm really just
an amateur, you know. Listener to yours, but I do
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well, we're glad it was good. We're glad it was good,
and thanks for sharing the good news. Appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
Okay, sure, yeah, have a good one, talkulator.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Thanks to Charles. All Right, those are happy words. I
appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I ran into a guy that is a handyman out
there and he said, he said, you're still doing that show?
And I said yeah, and he said, he said, yeah,
you guys are wrong about half the time.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I said, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, yeah, I guess maybe I don't know by what
standard that's measured. Entirely possible, but here's a couple of things.
Here's a beautiful thing. It's always good to get feedback.
Love your enemies. They tell you your faults. But here's
from Bob g thumbs up, two thumbs up. Bob, thanks
for texting us eliminating the brush marks. He said, here's

(23:40):
the guy thinking the right way, right, Because we always say, okay,
so what caused it? How do you prevent it? Bob's like, hey,
maybe next time, add a little bit of flow trawl
to the paint and then you don't get him in
the first place, right, So flow trill and he's like
jap drive. Those were for oil base and latex base.
Everything's latex now. But it keeps it does exactly, lets
the paint go on easier, it lets it level, and

(24:01):
you don't get the brush mark. So Bob g thanks
for the text. And then this is Bob from Michigan.
You gotta love it talking about the question about the
upstairs super hot downstairs colas just haven't closed the damper.
I presume he means a register upstairs and that'll push

(24:23):
more heat downstairs. True, Bob, we always just say, hey,
you gotta be careful of that. In the winter time,
probably not so problematic. In the summertime, you know, shutting
registers down can cause issues with humidity and things like that.
But certainly that's an option since we were into the

(24:43):
you know, into the trick and the system game. So
good stuff. Keep the text coming, man, We love it.
Also time for our Home People Product of the week
that I literally Lonnie will tell you I didn't send
my Product of the weekend until the last minute because
I was just looking at it all these different things.
There's just a lot out there for Black Friday stuff

(25:04):
for the holidays, for tools, but I wanted to get
on this one because I looked at this and say, okay,
this is a good deal. Right. So I'm talking about
the gorilla ladder, the twenty two reach multi position ladder.
This thing is one hundred bucks less than it normally
is normally it's two hundred and eighty nine dollars. It's

(25:25):
one hundred and eighty nine dollars twenty two foot reach.
If you don't know what we're talking about, just go
online and look at it. It works like a step
ladder from both sides. The height on that can be golly.
I forget the from like six foot and change all
the way up to like nine or ten feet. You

(25:46):
can put it. I used it like when we were
redoing our stairs up into the Bonus room. You can
put one set of legs on the ground and another
one shorter around the steps, so you still have a
level ladder. You can take the pieces of part and
use it like two ladders for scaffolding. It's got little
hangers at the top and at the feet for hanging

(26:08):
your tools, your drill and stuff like that. A bucket
that fits on top. They really stop the presses and said,
how are we going to you know, make this thing better.
It's I can't say enough good things. If you don't well,
if you don't own one, maybe you don't need one.
But check it out online. I think you're going to
be like, it's a good deal. And if you're looking
for a gift for, you know, the hand handy person

(26:30):
in your world. One hundred and eighty nine bucks for
a twenty two foot aluminum multi position ladder by Gorilla,
three hundred pound capacity. So if I take my tool
belt off, I can get on it. That's just kidding.
I'm not that bad yet. But anyway, that's uh, that's it.
That's our Home Deeper product of the week. David. You

(26:53):
have one of these things. You probably have three of them.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
No, I just have one, and it is and that's
why it for the multi position for it, because sometimes
you get in an odd situation. I mean, I'm trying
to swear off of ladders. Yeah, I'm getting shorter, shorter,
so I'm down to just a step stool at this point.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Now it's okay to swear off, just trying not to
fall off.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Ready, there you go.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
But yeah, that they're that's a they're they're a very handy,
great tool I like them, and I'm I'm starting to
look more at like the six foot platform ladders.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Because they're just it's just safer. And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
My biggest thing is that as I've gotten older, I
tend to think I'm on the ground before I am.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
You go from the second to last step, and you
missed that last step, and that's a long it's a
long step, and if you're not prepared for it, you
stumble a little bit. I was pretending that I didn't
say I did that on purpose. I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I was trying to speed things up here a little bit.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
So there was a roach down there. I had a
quick step on it. All right, all right, all right,
all right, we are past to break again. Let's take it.
It's the Home Deep Balm Improvement Show. We're at seven
o four five seven oh eleven ten by phone or
by texts, we'll answer the question about what is the

(28:23):
weight of the gorilla ladder and can a sixty year
old woman handle it? When we returned to the Home
Deep balmb Improvement.

Speaker 9 (28:29):
Show with John and Dave, Welcome back. It's the Home
Deep hom Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm John Gordon.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
We're taking calls this morning. Always do seven O four
five seven oh eleven ten or by text same number.
Had a couple of texts, few texts popping in already.
LEXI texts us, what is the weight of that gorilla ladder?
And can a sixty year old woman handle it? Alexi?
The weight is thirty eight point one pounds, So don't

(29:16):
know the sixty year old woman question. I'm older than
that gentleman who's way out of shape and all my
joints hurt, and I handle ours, and it's ours weighs
more than that. This is also Lexi and improvement in
the in the product, all the tool handles and holders

(29:37):
and buckets and all that stuff. Those are all cool things.
But the weight has gone down also, and how they've
designed it and still added additional strength. So it's thirty
eight point one pounds Lexi. If you're still if you're listening,
you may just want to go to your local home
depot store. I was in mine a couple times during
this week and they have this ladder on display with

(29:59):
the sign that's says hey, it's one hundred dollars less
than than usual. So I don't know if that's true
in any of the Charlotte stores. But just go and
talk to somebody at the service test and say, hey,
I want to see this thing, and can I go
back and can can we flatten it out and lift
it up and see whether I can handle it or
not and let them show you how to open it
and close it and see if it works for you. Right, Yeah,

(30:21):
test drive the ladder.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, test exactly, because you do need to be able
to pull the locks out and twist them right and
understand how it works, because that's half the battle is.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Once you do that. And that might be especially when it's.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
New, because it's they're pretty stiff, those springs are strong.
But yeah, I think that's a great plan, John.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah it is, because I found I just lifted
like three four by fours into the back of my
truck yesterday and like my shoulders and album and I'm like,
I'm becoming like a sissy. I can't I can't lift anything.
So LEXI makes a really good point. You want to
make or you invest in it, that you can actually
use it, all right?

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Seven four five, seven eleven ten that's the number. Give
us a call. I want to add an ice machine.
This is not an ice like an ice maker, or
you have refrigerator, it didn't have an ice maker. Now
you went with it. This is like, I want to
add a free standing ice machine. What do I need

(31:26):
to do? Well, Uh, you got to have power. You
got to have a supply line. And I think I
can't remember what supply on ours was. It was like
I had to use flared fittings to make the connections.
I want to say it was like.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Half inch.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I was gonna say, I think it was half inch supply.
And then the thing that you got to think about
is what everybody forgets. An ice maker is not a freezer.
Ice in an ice maker isn't an instant state of
production and thying and production and thying. Right. It's a
little different than what's on your your refrigerator that's got

(32:10):
the little bar that you know tells you okay, it's full,
now stop producing ice. Right. So so you have to
have a drain to take the thought the ice that's
sawing the water from the thawing ice out. Now, I'm
I might be missing a new innovation that somehow captures that,
but there's you either have to have a drain so
that it can drain by gravity or you have to

(32:33):
have that you can get them there. They are all
this technologies out there. But but it'll have a little
pump on it, like almost like a sump, and it'll
pump it up to a drain and and out. So
so those are the two things that are that are
the most complicated. Running an extra power line. If it's

(32:53):
a new outlet, you probably it probably needs to be
on a GFI, right, But then it's it's getting the
supply line to it or the water supply to it,
and dealing with the thaw the water as thought.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
And yeah, that's probably yeah, that's probably the thing is
the drain because it has to have an air gap.
You have to put a trap and then you can't
just stick the drain line down in it because it
cross countaminate, right, So it's supposed to go into a
it's like a bell on top of the trap, you know,

(33:28):
and then it has a way to strap it down.
So the water's physically it's draining in it and it
fills in the trap. If you're dumping this into the
sewer system, I mean if you could if you can
treat it as gray water, if you have a place
that you could pump it outside, johnn It's that's the
way to do it.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's probably the cheapest thing. And I like your idea
of a of a a a pump. Yeah, so like
a condensation pump would probably work, and then you could
pump it up and then if you had gutter drains
or something, you could take it to that drain and
dump that water out, or you know, if you have
a rain barrel or whatever, you could save the Water's

(34:04):
not bad, you just I mean you can't. Yeah, you
just can't drink it again, right, well you could if
you boil.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It, you know, we'll see. All right. We get the
thumbs up from Lexi. She says she can handle thirty
eight point one pounds. You go, Lexi, I may have
to call you for my next project, righty, all right,
that's good, all right. Yeah, So there's a lot of

(34:30):
things do like our brother Charles did, just go get
online and do some research and see what's going on.
But lots of good options out there. I think in
the ice maker, I think scotsmand does that sound right?
Just one of the one of the most popular trusted.
We've owned two of those and been super pleased, So
that's an option, but it can be done for sure.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
It's nice and I think I think if you put
the receptacle on a if you put it on a switch,
I think you can control them so that you can
turn it on when you want it. So because like
you said, John, it's if you leave it. If it's
on all the time, it's just going to constantly be
making ice, ice and melting, and so you're using water.

(35:11):
And we've talked about it a few times. So we
have two refrigerators that make ice and that usually it
can keep up, but sometimes we need more ice if
there's you know, multiple people at the house, you know,
especially in the summer, so you know, we're constantly running
down and getting.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
A bag of ice.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
So we've we've been thinking about buying an ice maker,
but then we can turn it on or turn it
off as we as we need it.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know what else is I'm thinking about now as
you say that, I do like the full line supply
line train, but you can get a countertop ice maker.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Off and they're nice. I think they're like five hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, I think in fact, I might have seen that
somewhere in the Black Friday deals at the home depot.
But but yeah, so you can do that too.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
I just I don't know they make don't they make
a lot of them? Make the crushed ice?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, yeah, I so they have machines though, now I
think that'll actually make the square the big square cubes.
I think I don't know how that works. But I
still just make those in the freezer myself. All right,

(36:26):
what do we got? What we got? I can't read
this next question driveway coat off of concrete. I don't
know what that's all about. So we're gonna go to
the next question.

Speaker 8 (36:37):
What do I need?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
What do I need to do to my h va
C for the winner, Like, how do I winnerize my
HVAC system? You, as a consumer do it yourselfer probably
need to like blow the leaves out, make sure that
everything's clear around it. If it's a if it's like
fossil fue will heat and HVAC, don't put a cover

(37:04):
on it. Most manufacturers advise against or say clearly don't
do that. So no need to protect it that way.
But anything else like tune up wise needs to be done.
By a professional HVAC person if you're doing if you've
got a heat pump, for sure, we would say get

(37:27):
it's worth the money to get the at least once
a year, but twice a year service where they come
out check everything out and make sure that everything is
in good working order. And that's really the best for
for for HVAC and.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
So.

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Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
It's the Whole Deep Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval, and we are taking
your calls at seven O four five seven eleven ten
or texts uh seven O four five seven eleven ten,
and we'll answer them that way. I love the text
piece and Lonnie thanks for always keeping us between the

(39:17):
ditches on that. But it's just a great way to
go back and forth on some stuff. Uh, second thoughts
and so on. So that'll be great. Let's see looking
through the questions, I want to replace an electrical outlet
with a GFI. Any special wires or or work required.

(39:40):
Not really, it's just a correct placement of wires. Well,
there could be a couple of complications, right, right, So
you got to have a ground in the box. Then
David explained the line and the line and load differences
on the back of the dfscause it'll it'll work as
an outlet if you're want it in correctly. It just

(40:01):
won't give you GFI protection.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Correct, Yes, So you you you can just protect the
outlet that that you're that you're swapping out, or you
can protect that outlet and and and the the outlets
down line. So in other words, you have a wire
coming into the box, which is your line, and then
the box that leaves that and goes to the next

(40:24):
receptacle is called load. And so you have to if
you read the if you read the directions with the receptacle.
You'll you'll be able to figure that out that that
the line obviously goes on the line side, logos on
the other side, and it's I mean, it's it's it's
pretty simple, but it's also easy to mess it up.

(40:44):
So to determine that, what you have to do is
you take the old receptacle out, you pull the wires
out of the box. You've found the breaker obviously, and
you've turned that off. Now you have to turn the
breaker back on, make sure none of the wires are
touching each other or anything else, and then you can
put a meter and you can find the set of
wires that are hot. The other set of wires will

(41:07):
not be, and that the ones that are hot will
be your line.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Mark those that.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Then go back, turn the braker off and then do
your thing, put your receptacle in.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
You'll be good.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
There you go. Process works on all manner of things
when you're placing switches and trying to figure out just
I don't even use a meter on that piece of it,
that portion of it, David, I just use one of
the current detects tests yes, yep, and just tap it.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
To have.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I mean, that's one of the things I think we've
always recommended folks have in their toolbox because you can
just you can just touch that and it'll tell you.
You can get near a receptacle or switch most of
the time, and it will tell you if it's hot. Now, obviously,
when you take the receptacle back out and you're not
getting a reading, you still don't want to touch anything

(41:58):
inside that box until you stick that device in there
and make sure none of the wire. Yeah, you double check,
so the same as you would if you had a
regular meter, you would, you know, touch the terminals with
the probes and and and read the meter and make
sure that it's not shown electricity coming through.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
So there you go, and that might be go ahead.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I just want to two also, remember the white wire
in a box as a neutral and it sometimes even
though the power is off, you still if you have
an unbalanced load on the panel. We're not going to
get into all that. You could still get a little
bit a little bite from that.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it surprises you.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yeah, it surprises you. It just curls half the hair.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
All right, Let's see that might be David to your point,
if you're looking for some stocking stuffers for the home
improvement person in your world. That might be a good
one if they don't have it right.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
And and I just want to add one more thing.
If you didn't understand anything that we just said, call
an electrician. And I'm not being a smart elec. I
just don't want you to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, and and what and and here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
When the electric if you're interested in that kind of
stuff and you call an electrician or you call a plumber,
just ask them if they mind if you watch what
they're doing. Now sometimes they have a little extra charge
for that. They'll have a little smart elec answer for you.
But but really, if you're interested in that kind of stuff,
you know what, I'm the one I'm talking about. So

(43:33):
but if you but if you if you ask them
to tell them, most most guys are going to say, yeah,
no problem, you know, And and and kind of ask
some questions or watch what they're doing and see how
they do things, and and you know you'll learn you
can learn from that. And and you know, maybe you
want to do it the next time, maybe you don't,
but yeah, at least you.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Know, that's a really good point and professionals. I've found
the professionals and virtually Eddy Field, but it's certainly true
in the trades are grateful for the skills that they've
been given and developed and are happy to share them. Sure,
I can't tell you how much I learned, not from

(44:13):
a book or but just from listening to the customers
and the professionals that I work with, the went on
sites with, and and they're they're just pleased to do that,
and it's good and and and let this be my
plug for if you're if you're I don't know any
kind of reasonable age looking for a career, and you
don't consider the trades, you're missing a huge opportunity because

(44:37):
you can skip a lot of the school and start
making a lot of money and not be worried about
paying back ridiculous amounts of debt for education. And it's
an awesome as Charles he called it, like he it's
it's a it's a it's a wonderful world to be

(44:59):
and people once right, yeah, yeah, he's like, I gotta
do this again. But it's it's a it's a it's
a it's a pretty amazing world to live in.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I love it. It's a you get it.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
You can get immediate gratification from it, you get paid well,
you can teach people, you help people, You make people's
lives better. You know, if if you truly are into
it and you want to be a craftsman at whatever
it is you're going to do uh in the trades,
you it's it is very fulfilling.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, take a chance. I every once in a while
I'll get asked to speak to a group and and
I do that. I like doing that and just sharing
different things. And and we were talking to some some
folks a couple of weeks ago now and we talked
about it's a big word, magnanimity, but it's a virtue
and it's like it basically, we are created, wired, built

(45:52):
to do great things. And and I don't mean we're
all going to be like CEOs of billion and multi
billion dollar companies. We're all going to do something much
greater than what we think we're capable of doing. So
if you want to try this stuff and man, go
for it, give it a shot. Get licensed. If you're
going to do electrical work, all right, I think we're

(46:13):
going to be close to a break, so we should
probably take it. Give us a call though. We're at
seven O four five seven eleven ten and we'll talk
about your home improvement questions. You can text us at
the same line, loving those things right now and we'll chat.
And when we come back to the WT Home Deepot
Home Improvement Show with John and Dave. Welcome back. It's

(46:52):
the Home Deep Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval seven O.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Four five seven oh eleven ten. By phone, by text,
let's talk to Tim Tim A good morning. You're on
the Home Deep Home Improvement Show with John to Dave.
How are you?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Good morning morning. How can we help you?

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Guys? Got me?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
We got you, yes, sir, okay.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
I put a log cabin siding on my home twelve
fourteen years ago and I have pressure washed it since.
Part of the of the house I've sealed with this
cabot ceiling. It's not really what I wanted. It's not
transparent translution enough. It's kind of like a paint, but

(47:38):
it covers very well and it's worked really good. And
I put it on a very small part of the house.
But I like, you know, to know what I can
use to clean this thing off, to get ready to
put whatever ceiling and coating I want to do, because
it's you know, like it's starting to wear with the
sun and it's peeling off, maybe a little mold here

(47:59):
and there. What's the best thing to do with that?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, you know, I mean there's several outdoor cleaners that
you can use. I mean, you can you can make
your own for the mold and the mildew, you know,
just using some some chlorine bleach. But I think John,
really the best thing is just to buy a a
cleaner that you can you can spray on it. You

(48:25):
don't necessarily have to use a pressure washer, but you
if you want to use a pressure washer to apply it,
sometimes it's nice if it's if it's if the buildings
tall and you're trying to get the solution up higher.
Some some pump up garden sprayers will spray up up
up pretty high. But you really, you probably really don't

(48:47):
want to hit that hard with a pressure washer. You
can use it as a rent. Put a wide fan
tip on there, maybe the whiter the yellow tip, and
just just put your solution, mix some soap in with
it so that you'll have a surfact it so it'll
stick and then the cleaner will be able to do
it's its work. It'll it'll stick longer and then and

(49:07):
then basically rents it off. I guess you could also
use a car wash brush, which I'm kind of a
proponent of, because anytime you can agitate a service a
surface with a brush, you're going to get it cleaner
than just just rinsing it off, especially since we can't
hit it real hard with the pressure washer.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I'm wondering if, because Tim, you said you put a
Cabot product on there already, if we have to clean
that off before we put something else on it, Like,
do we have to like use a Bear or Olympic
like deck cleaner.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
No, Okay, I think most of their products that you
can go over it without stripper. It's one of the
reasons I'm a fan of of that of those products.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Cabot products. Okay, all right, Well, Cabit is a good
I didn't use it's a great product.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Well you just tested it, is that, right?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:07):
I used it on a small portion. It's story home,
and the very very top of it is just a
small area, uh that has the siding on it, and
that's where I started with that cab and stuff, and
I decided I didn't want to do the whole house
in that. So it's it looks good, but you can't
see the wood grain. You know, it's just looking bony.

(50:28):
To me, I don't really like it. But we used
another product we actually got at home Depot stain they
have and it it it looks really good on on
that wood. I just wanted to get that. You know,
the sun has peeled up the ceiling and you know
we put on there and it just looks pretty pretty nasty,

(50:49):
and you know, I want to make sure I can
get all that off.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
To So for that peeling part, John John was is
right on the mark. Then you may want to purchase
the bear the bare deck prep that they have I
think all in one yes that yeah, that's right, yes,
and that that will that will that will help you.
That will help dissolve and break down that old sealer

(51:14):
that's peeling, because if it's peeling, you definitely want to
get that off of there. But again you're gonna let
the chemical do the work and then you're going to
use a wide fan uh to to to spray. I
mean if you have really good pressure on your house,
and you can get a nozzle for the end of
your hose that that gives you a kind of a
jet spray. That's also a good way to rinse.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
The only thing I would ask, uh, use of product
that would not hurt my my uh my roof. I
have a two year old steel roof. Yeah, metal roof,
and it's beautiful and I would not know.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, so you would have to you would have
to keep that wet or or try to cover it.
And I know that's probably a tall order, no pun intended.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
Oh, it's not going to be easy. Might have a
two story home when it's very it's one hundred and
one years old actually you know wow? Yeah, oh yeah,
it's I love it. And the wood underneath there, you know,
you can't even get it today, right, so, oh but
it's a two story, beautiful place. I'm so lucky. But
one more question. Have you ever used an Australian teak oil?

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah, I've used I've used it and been around it
a few times. It's it's it's a nice product. You
just have to remember that anything that is as a
transparent or semi transparent is not going to last as
long as a solid color. So there's kind of a
trade off. John, have you have you figured that I
dealt with that.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I have not. I couldn't give you an accurate answer.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
That's That's kind of what I see out in the
field most of the time, is that if it has
a solid color staying on it, it tends to last
longer because it's more like paint.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I think the other thing. And again, Tim, I would
I would check this out, But I think in the
application of teak oil, it's not just like hey, spray
it on and away you go. I think my understanding
is it is more with like interior kinds of things
or where you're gonna rub a finish. So I just

(53:17):
I would check that out to make sure it's it's
good in the spot that char but I'm fundamentally ignorant
about that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
I used it on the outside walls of a porch
area which is kind of protected, right covered. Yeah, And
I really like it's a good ceiling and it made
a very good pant on that wood. It really looks good.
I like that product.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I just wanted to do well. Natural natural oils will
always kind of bring out the very best in the wood, right,
and I mean that goes back thousands of years. But
technology is working on to David's point, trying to get
you something that's gonna lasts longer with a little yeah,
less maintenance.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah, keeps the maintenance a little lower because, like I said,
something clear clear, uh semi clear, uh transparent, You're going
to have to do it more often.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
So just you just have to perfect. You're perfect today.
I appreciate you. You're bat and you're bat and real
good today.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I appreciate all right, glad to hear it. Thanks Tim.
All right, Tim is off to take care. That's got
to be really pretty. I want to just want to
want to. Yeah, that's got to be awesome. And then
that one hundred year old home. Those are just there's
there's some work to do. But man, when when it's

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(55:25):
We talked about, Oh, here's one David that we haven't
spoken about in a while, squeaky hardwood floors.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I have a we have a listener right now that
I've been trying to help him find someone to go
underneath his house and do what we always talk about,
what needs to be done.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
And he said it's driving him nuts. And we went
through the.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Whole steps of what's the humidity in the crawl space,
the humidity in the house, of you know, wait till
the season changes, to get better as it get worse. So, yeah,
that is how many times have we answered that question?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Is a lot?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
It's a lot of work to get it done, to
to find it first of all, and then and then
fix it.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, it's a it's a you're you're just working with
fewer potential instances when you just got squeaks under carpet
and stuff like that. But I mean, the correct way
to do it is you've got to draw that hardwood
back down to the subfloor. The nice thing about if

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you've got a full three quarter inch hardwood floor, the
nice thing about that is if you can find the squeak,
then you can get in the cross space underneath that
and you can drive a screw up into the hardwood
floor and pull it back down. But yeah, it's it

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takes a minute.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
It bakes a minute, it does, and you have to
have the right length of screw. You have to know sure,
you have to know what the subfloor thickness is. And
then of course we know the hardwood floor is right
at three quarters of an inch depending on how many
times it's been sanded, so you usually have to stay
with an inch and a quarter screw, right, yes, Yeah,
and it needs to be a cutting screw so that

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it doesn't split the wood exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So there's a little bit. There's a little bit to it,
but certainly can be done anyway. So that's and it's
not a surprise that we would we would get that
this time of year, because as things start to dry
out with the heat and stuff, then they squeak more
but right, all right, we got to take a break.
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Speaker 3 (58:06):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

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That's our whole deeple product of the week for this
and our phone number is seven o four five seven
eleven ten, seven four five seven eleven ten, Give us call,
give us a text. We're just going through some home
improvement questions that that have come up. We just finished
talking about squeaky hardwood floors, David, let's take a second

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on a carpet uh. In the spirit of our friend
Bob g who said, hey, here's some things you can
do to prevent brushstrokes, let's think about prevention if you're
if you're building a home, if you're modeling, putting down
a subfloor that you're going to carpet over, or that

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you're going to put like an LVT or a similar
product over. There's a couple of things in the construction
portion that I think are worth noting and probably want
to have a conversation with your builder about that. But
do you screw sub floors down or do you nail
and glue?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
It's either a ring, shank nail. If it's you know,
if it's a big job, you shoot it. We would
shoot it down right with glue a combination of the two,
and if it's a smaller job, a lot of times
we'll just use screws and glue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Right. I think the glue pieces is the important part
of it. And then are you using the pl some
floorid he said for that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
And then sometimes we use the foam glue. I don't
know if you've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
It's a purple I have. Yeah, so it's in a
foam good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
It's a little easier, it's a little easier to apply,
it's faster. And if you've seen these guys work sometimes
that are out there putting these floors down, you know
why you need it to be faster.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Deare quick, Yeah, yeah, get out the way here we come.
All right, let's let's get Steve's question and then we'll
come back to just some things in prevention or just
routine maintenance with respect to the squeaky floors. Okay, Steve,
thanks for calling the whole Deep Home Improvement show.

Speaker 10 (01:01:56):
How are you hey doing?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Guy?

Speaker 8 (01:01:58):
Doing fine?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Guys, how are you doing well?

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
My question is.

Speaker 10 (01:02:03):
I'm going to be working and I've got a three
season room that we want to turn into a four
season room, so we're going to add two ducks. The
problem is is that it's on the outside wall of
the house and there's no way to return it because
it's a month where there's modular houses where there SEW
has put together, right, I guess mobile home. So there's
no way to run the return because the return is

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above the furnace sucks the air down and then heats it.
Then it goes out to the crossover to the ducks
that run straight down each side of the house. So
I have seen this done. So let me pose something
to you and you tell me it's a yay or
a name. I have seen people cut a hole in
the void between the studs and run a hard pipe
and then cover it with just like a twelve by

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twelve grill. I was thinking probably a ten minutes hard
pipe because I've got about four hundred square feet ten
foot ceiling on the high side. It slopes down to
about eight foot on the other side, so roughly twenty
by twenty nine. It's maybe thirty six hundred, four thousand
cubic feet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Is that?

Speaker 10 (01:03:04):
Can that be done by transferring a hole from the
sunroom into the great room, so at least it would
draw you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
You could do this, but here's here would be our
caution is that unless that system was sized to to
heat and cool that room, right, you're probably gonna You're
probably gonna hurt yourself more than you're gonna help yourself.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
Uh, it may throw a balance kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
It does.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
It's it's all this stuff is calculated now ahead of time,
and it's it's it's pretty spot on most of the time.
Every once in a while somebody messes up, but most
of the time it's pretty accurate. And you really, you you,
you really would almost be better off to go to
a mini split with that room and have your own control.

(01:03:51):
It probably save you a lot of headaches. And here's
the thing you could later, you could you could sell
that mini split possibly and if you enlarged the system
in the house to accommodate that, so you could have
it done. But again, I think you would put a
zone system in Whitney Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, you would, David Steve, I would echo Dave's sentiments
on that. And if it's if it's good for the goose,
it's good for the gander. I'm eating my own dog
food here right, because we did a mini have exactly
the same scenario. The builder actually ran two ducts out
to the to the area and it was like it

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was inadequate, and so we just shut those down and
put in an in ceiling mini split so it doesn't
hang on the walls. You don't see it. It's and
it has been absolutely a rock star decision.

Speaker 10 (01:04:45):
And the was built by Champion and it's sitting on
two brick foundations, but one of the other is just
I think four fours or six by six is with
just pressure treated would looking like men I was thinking,
naturally if I even if I insulated two by tens
or sitting on two by tens, that would at least

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help keep it kind of cool. And it's all glass,
I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, that's the problem they are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll you'll never.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Get enough AC from your current system to be comfortable
out there.

Speaker 10 (01:05:17):
Yeah, because even the sliders are out now, the slider's
going out outside our standard sliders patio doors. The others
are five feet with with with the screen. So so
they were actually built for that stickular type of owner
and a Champion bill years ago. And this is in
this modular is nineteen ninety four, right, and it's amaze.
The return back by in the laundry room actually is

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strong enough to see and return air so that the
house is warm. It was warm walked in the punch
so okay, Well, I will let the owner know because
he's wanting to try to capture that space and if
he could eat and cool it, he can add it
to the square foot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Correct, yeah, yeah, correct.

Speaker 10 (01:05:57):
Okay, but I'll let you know that that was a question.
I said. You know what, I got a couple of
guys I can talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Awesome. Well, we're glad you called what.

Speaker 10 (01:06:05):
It sounds great. I do appreciate all you. Hell, thank
you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
All right, have a great one. All right. Uh, we
got to take a break here, folks. It's our last
break before the bottom of the hour. So but I'm
sorry topping it next hour, give us give us a
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return to the Home DEEPO Home Improvement Show with John
and Dave. Welcome back. It's the Home Deep Homer Provement

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Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Seven O four five seven eleven ten. We're in the
proverbial lightning round. Get your calls in. We'll make sure
we get your questions answers. Where we wrap things up
for this week we got we were talking about squeaky floors.
A couple of little hacks. Maybe if you've got carpet
and you're replacing carpet even with LVT or or you've
got squeaky like squeaks in the floor, it is, that's

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the opportunity carpet up to identify where those squeaks are
and screw the flooring down in those places. The other thing, David,
that we've done or talked about as a hack over
the years. Typically a four x eight piece of plywood
is a tongue in the subfloor. Depending on the edge
of the home, is three quarter tongue in groove plywood.

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And so if it's installed correctly, there's the tongue and
groove is on the eight foot length, so those pieces
locked together, but on the four foot length arguably they're
sandwiched by you know, a groove connection either side because
the joints are staggered. But we put like baby powder
with lanelin. Just sprinkle it over the those particularly those

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four foot joints, and and let it walk in and
you can go right over it with carpet pad if
you want. Nothing bad happens, but that uh landelin in
the baby powder works like a lubricant and actually eliminates
some of the squeaks and makes it a little bit
easier or makes it better. Uh, still got to get

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up underneath where you can if you have access to
do that. But if you're on a second floor, the
carpeting out is the time to really make those adjustments.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
And then here's here's another little thing that I've I've
come across a handful of times is finding hardwood floors
that have been stapled or nailed down over particle board,
not not OSB, but particle board. And if if, if
those floors are there, usually you know that they're moving
because you could see you have lots of cracks and

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joints in those floors. But it's usually terrible, and the
only way that you can fix it is you have
to remove the hardwood floors. Pretty much it's destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
You have to throw it away.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
You have to remove the particle board, and then you
have to put five eights plywood down that used to
be a thing, right John in construction.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And that because they were looking for a smooth surface,
right right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, because they're putting either putting a vinyl over it
or carpet. They want a clean surface that was inexpensive,
and so they would put down a lot of times
a half inch sub floor over the joist and then
they would put five eighths plywood down over top of that,
and it is a really smooth floor.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
It's a terrible idea for a floor, but.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
It's no longer legal. But if you're in an older
house and it's possible someone took the carpeting up and
then came back and nailed hardwood down over top of
particle boards, it does not hold up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
It does not do well. They don't recommend it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
The Hardwood Flooring Association that nails fasteners just don't hold
as well in that flooring. And then also when you
think about the number john of fasteners that you drive
into it, it it basically.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
It destroys it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
It's it is particle board versus always b big chips right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Correct components, a totally different monster.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So you bring up another good point though, and when
you take the five eighths plywood or particle board out,
now you've got a floor height challenge, right, because you
got to go back with five eighths and you got
to go back with something suitable five eights. There's a
product five eighths U L. The U L stands for underlayment.

(01:10:50):
I don't know that that's required for hardwood. But even
if you're going back over with a vinyl or an
l V P lv T, the U L version of
plywood the underlayment version, so you get the right thickness.
But the top two veneers of the ply would have
no voids, right, so the first ply is always going

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to be good. It's where there's a void like a
knothole in the second ply, and you put a chair
or a high heel over that, it's punching through the
first layer into the second. So if you're going to
put a vinyl product back over, it's best to use
or a U L grade of corporate, right, so you
don't punch through that layers. It's a tiny bit more expensive,

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but headaches.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
No short cuts. There's no short cuts for that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
No, that's yeah, yeah, So it's it's it's all right.
It's like there's a there's a it feels like there's
a lot to it. You just got to kind of
check out the details, and typically the instructions from the
manufacturers are very thorough. You do have to read them.
I tried sleeping with them under my pillow, see if
that would work.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Just try to absorb it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, tried to absorb it sleep learning thing didn't work well?
All right. What is your recommendation for a non caustic
drain cleaner? Uh, well, there's the reason for the caustic
is sometimes it's just trying to eat through literally eat
through the grease and hair and clogs.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Sometimes like having like the foaming action helps. David, you
have a fairly tried and true version, and then I'll
offer a couple of hacks and see what thing? What
do you doo?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Boiling water is my first go to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Is it tends to melt soap, scumb, and toothpaste. Uh,
grease if it's if it's a grease matter, I think
I think a couple of shots of dawn dishwashing or
some type of degreaser in in the in the drain.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
The reason we started doing that was because if if
if you get into a clog situation and you you
put some type of caustic product down the drain and
it doesn't clear it out, then now you have to
take the pipes apart in order to go in and
and and take care of the clog either with a

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some type of an auger or snake or something. Well,
now you've got your hands and you've exposed this stuff
is going to dump out in the cabinet. So it
just makes it harder to deal with. So that's why
we do it. We like it, and it works. I've
never had a time when it didn't work. Now, sometimes
it takes more pots of boiling hot water to get

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a clog gone, but it almost always works.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
So there you go. So a couple other things. Sometimes
the cleaner clinging to the sides and stuff helps out
a lot. Yeah, if you're gonna do that, A non
caustic homeopathic, if you will, solution is vinegar and baking
soda or lemon juice and baking soda. Someone say lemon

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juice instead of vinegar just because it kind of has
a fresher smell. But if you think about it for
two minutes, you got a strong acid and a strong vase.
When you mix them together, you get the foaming action,
the reaction of the two chemicals working together. So if
you're gonna put something down the drain to get that
foaming action and help clean it through David, what I
might do is is your hot boiling water and then

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follow up with this solution, and then you kind of
get the best of both worlds and you're not putting
this caustic stuff out there into the into the system.
Uh And and that's always good. Anytime you can get
the job done without wicked, wicked, you know chemicals, you're
gonna win it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
And here's the other thing, real quick with that, don't
wait till you have a clog. Every drain is building
up a little bit. It's getting a little bit of
build up. So if you can kind of do this
regularly with hot water or with john solution, it is,
it's perfect. It'll it'll awesome prevent a maintenance.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
All right, gotta roll, folks, Thanks for being with us.
Thanks to all the callers, all the Texters. We love
what you're doing. We're in the middle of the holiday season,
are coming on us and so it's gonna get frenetic crazy.
We think in all of that, the most important kind
of home improvement you can make is one that makes
you a home a happier place to live. Don't forget
to work on that project this week, and we'll see
you next week. I'm a Home Depot home improvement show

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