The Home Improvement Show 8-16-25

Tune in here for this 8-16-25 episode of the Home Depot Home Improvement show on WBT with John Gordon and David Dovell.

On this edition of the program, John and Dave talk about the challenges and solutions that come with everyday home maintenance projects. The conversation focuses on issues like clogged shower drains, the buildup caused by water softeners, and the risks of damaging PVC pipes when trying to clean them. Dave shares a practical example of using Prosocco, a concrete cleaner, to dissolve hardened soap residue and restore grout surfaces effectively. 

John and Dave also revisit long-standing product recommendations such as Sandy Tread, a durable resurfacing and waterproofing option for porches, crawl space walls, and pool decks. Along the way, they reflect on their own project experiences—ranging from tackling brickwork to resurfacing concrete—and emphasize the importance of using the right materials for long-term results. Blending practical knowledge with hands-on examples, John and Dave deliver clear, straightforward insights for homeowners looking to improve and protect their properties.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The Home Depot Home Improvement Show with John and Dave
pre cent Up. I tried pro answering your home improvement
questions every Saturday on News Talk eleven.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
And ninety nine to three WBT.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning, everybody, Welcome to the Home Depot Home Improvement
Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Good morning, David.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Noble, Good morning, my friend.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to the Home Depot Home Improvement Show with John
and you.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, how are you? I'm good man, You're done a
right good?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, everything's good in another week busy week. Retirement's great,
but it's I don't know. There's just lots to do. Yeah,
which is good. And I don't want to be that
guy that you know, yeah, that doesn't have anything to do.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
We don't need you doing PhD weight loss commercials.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I will never do anything that has PhD involved in it.
I'm just not that smart. But it's good week. We
got lots of stuff to talk about. I don't know
about you. I'm really liking the the the WBT text line,
uh that Liberty Buick GMC does speak. I gotta be

(01:17):
honest and my family will tell you this, like texting.
I'm like, I lived in a very high paced environment
with lots of things going on for a long time,
phone calls, emails, texts like I had at one point
in my life phantom buzzes, like where I felt like

(01:40):
my phone was buzzing and being I was being texted
and I wasn't. It was just like and so like
when my family just gets into one of these text rages,
I'm like, just yeah, just I don't care, I don't want,
I don't deal with it because I'm like, I'm shutting
that part of my life down. But then we get
in here and I'm like, man, people can just pop

(02:01):
stuff in. You can see it on the screen. I'm like, okay,
and it's not buzzing on my hip. I'm kind of
liking the text.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's it's kind of how we do it. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I don't know that phantom, the phantom, the phantom buzz.
I know that I know that feeling from the from
riding in elevators used to work when I first when
I first moved here, I worked at the Radisson Hotel
and the maintenance department, and I rode in elevators all
night you know, up and down, going to room calls
and doing things. Yeah, and at the end of the

(02:33):
at the end of the shift when I would go home,
I felt like I was still on an elevator going
up and down. It was weird. Yeah, it took me
a while to get used to that.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah. So anyway, so much of that that has nothing
to do with home improvement though, well it was. It was.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
It was home improvement in a hotel.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
There you go, that's like the ultimate, like the fifteen
hundred home hotel. That's a lot. That's a lot of work.
We could do a whole show on just on funny
stories there. I lived in hotels a lot. Some were great,
some were a great big so much.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, I'll give it a crawling.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes right, uh, never mind. Oh seven o four five,
seven eleven ten. That's the number to call us. It's
also the number to text us on the WBT text
line driven by Liberty Buick gmc Uh do it, man,
it's kind of fun. It's kind of good. You can
you don't have to wait on hold, Lonnie, like make

(03:36):
sure that you get all the courtesies. David and I
just you know, we just were trying to answer it
so good. Give a shout. There's let's see. I got
some electrical questions this morning, like complicated ones. Maybe maybe
not gots. I don't know. Oh, hairballs in the dream.
That sounds like appetizing.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Let's do that breakfast, Let's have yeah, crowd cleaning, TVs,
crawl spaces, catch basins, cultured marble.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's a lot. There's a lot of stuff we haven't talked.
We haven't spoken of emails like in the last few shows.
So we've had a lot of activity on the text thing.
So I guess we weren't even paying attention. What is
what's going on out there or anything?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Just a handful of emails here and there, people looking
for contractors, different trades, and just a few of them.
I'll go through them, and I can't remember all of them,
but there's there's a there's a few questions in there,
so we could certainly attack those.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
That's good. That's good. We got plenty. There's there's plenty
to do.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I was going to tell you something too. This was
a couple of weeks ago. You started talking about drains.
You know, once or twice a year, I cleaned the
shower drain out and we have a water softeners, so
we end up using too much soap and shampoo in
the shower, and it tends to build up around the drain.
I don't know if you've ever seen that, And it

(05:07):
just looks like it looks like liquid soap was poured
and then it hardened, and so it gets on the
drain cover and then it's on the bottom and it's
down in the drain and literally I had to take
a screwdriver and kind of chisel it away, you know,
and scrape it away. And you know, I've tried different things.
And I was in there working. I said, if I

(05:28):
keep scraping on this PVC drain, one of these days,
I'm gonna cut through it. So I got to figure
something else out here. I had some of the Remember
I told you about the concrete cleaner Soco.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's an acid. It's a light acid, and I'm sure
other acids would work, but anyway, so I got some
of that and I just poured it around that drain.
It ate that soap up like nobody's business, really, yes,
and it was gone. It was it was clean, and
so I even I diluted a little bit and poured
it in the on the grout in a couple of places,

(06:02):
and it cleaned it. It was spotless. And now she said,
I'm in charge of the shower.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
That performance punishment.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, thank you, but no, but that worked really well.
So if somebody's having that problem, I mean, I use
that cleaner on the concrete, so if it gets mud
stained or whatever, it works pretty well. And you know,
after after we poured the concrete, we had some wash
across the driveway before I got it completely sealed, and uh,
that's how That's how I got that mud off. But

(06:33):
it was fresh, so it didn't have a long time
to you know, to stay on there and stay that
is good.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, there was something I was going to ask you
when you said that too. It was oh, when you
were talking about products that we talked about. So Chris
and I were out at this investment property yesterday and
I'm standing on the back porch and I couldn't think,
I mean, as many times as we've talked about it,
what is the product that we spoke about like that

(07:00):
we would talk about for cross space walls, pool decks.
You could put it on. It's it's kind of like
almost like a.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I couldn't think for I don't know a waterproofer. Yeah, yeah,
so there was Sandy tread and Sandy tread.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Sandy tread that was the one I couldn't think of, right,
never mind, Chris, I hope you're listening. Sandy tread, bro
we have a spot. We have a back porch there
that has this guy that owned the house before us
had some interesting construction theories. But I've got to resurface

(07:45):
this deck on top of this concrete deck, right. I
didn't want to build over it and screw up all
the heights and stuff. So everything is done. I shared
with you. I tried my hand at brick laying, and
I'm not going to try to make a living with that.
But but sad tread would be the perfect thing to
put on top of this concrete once I kind of
level everything out. I couldn't think of what the name was.

(08:05):
I'm gonna write it down though, because it's only been
like thirty years we've been talking about it. So I
need a minute to learn.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
That out of Vegas are out of Orco Simco works.
It's another one that will work on there.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
That's good, all right. We got to speaking of taking
a minute, we're gonna take a minute, time for a break.
Don't go away, folks, give us a call where at
seven O four five seven eleven ten by phone seven
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chance to talk. Let me return from these important messages.

(09:02):
Welcome back, everybody. It's the whole Deep Home Improving Show
with John and Dave. I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval
gives a call where seven O four five seven eleven
ten or on the WBT text line driven by Libertyviewer GMC.
It here's a trick. The numbers are saying seven O
four five seven eleven ten, text away. Let's see David,

(09:25):
here's a question. When is it elect speaking of electronics, electricity, whatever,
when is it time to put in a subpanel? Like
how do you figure like, oh, time for a subpanel?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, I mean a lot of times it's if something's
added that requires an extra circuit. So I think maybe
the main thing, some of the main things that would
go on would be like a charger for an electric
car modern day, or maybe you added a hot tub

(10:03):
to your house, and so a lot of times the
builder will put a panel that's doesn't have enough spaces
in it, or it has enough for what they're doing,
and there may be one or two spaces they get
used up. Somebody added an outlet here or there, and
then now you're out of room. So a lot of
times what they'll do is they'll take they'll take a

(10:23):
breaker to two breakers out of the existing panel, and
they'll put another breaker in and then they'll run a
wire from that breaker to a subpanel, and then that
panel will have electricity in eight or ten twelve more spaces,
and then you can add more circuits to it.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
All right, but you still have to watch capacity, right.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
You do, but it's very very seldom will you Usually
people run out of physical space in the panel before
they ever run out of amps samp capacity. Correct. I've
not seen it. I've seen it in commercial situations, but
I haven't seen it in residence. There's almost always, and

(11:04):
I've been there when people when the electricians tested a
house too. So they'll just they just turn everything on
that they could possibly turn on, and then they put
an ant probe over the fires coming in and you
check one leg, you know there's you have two hots
and a neutral and so you check each leg and
that's what you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, this is a little secret, folks. If you
want to make a little bit of extra cash, mad money,
and you've got kids, you can rent your kids out
to an electrician just to go into a house and
turn all the lights on and leave mine. It saves
the electrician time. They'll pay a little bit for that.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, and it's Collins really good at it, right.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Hey, so let me ask a selfish question. You know,
we're doing this house and Chris had it's got a
really great new big panel outside the house. Right inside
the garage has this subpanel. It is like older than dirt,
nasty looking. It's just terrible. The electrician has been out,

(12:05):
everything's running. Can I change that subpanel out? Just make
all the same connections without being a licensed electrician?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Technically no, technically no, okay.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Never mind. I won't do it because I want to
get it inspected. I want everything to be legit. But
all right, so sub really do it? A subpanel's not
a DIY project.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
No it's not. I mean, you you can legally if
if you own the house and they know Mecklenburg County
likes for you to take a little test, so they
have a little they have a little written test that
you can take. They used to now I don't know
if they still do that, but I don't think they
can deny you the right if you own the home

(12:54):
to do your own work.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
But they still it's got to get inspected. And you
want to inspect it, right, You don't want to do
something stupid. That's kind of.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well, yeah, I mean, you don't want to burn the
house down, and you.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Know, puse you don't want to get fried in the process.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Either, exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
And when we did a room edition back in my
early days, and I permitted it for myself, and they
made me take a little, a little electrical test, and
then they asked me if I knew anybody they he said,
do you know anybody in the plumbing and the mechanical business?
And I said, yeah, sure, and he said okay, and
that was it, and I took the test. I passed it,
and I did I've added some rooms onto the house so.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well by that standard, I should be able to do
brain surgery. I know a lot of good surgeons.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Joke about that, I said, joke about that all right,
So I think I'm the same. That sort of begs
another question. It's always interesting. So a friend of ours,
actually it's it's more of the co hosts of this
other radio show that we do during the week out
of Atlanta, and her son just bought a house. I

(14:03):
think I shared this with you, and so, like we've
been doing FaceTime and just answering a lot of questions.
And one of the questions I know inevitably is going
to come up because his dad is a pretty handy guy. Also,
is like wiring, doing wiring in the house and then
but having it inspected. So can I do my own
things but have an inspector come in and say, yep,

(14:25):
I looked at what you did and everything's legit? Is
that an option? Is that like if you take that
little test if you know somebody in the business, I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
If you're doing your own work, yeah, in your own house,
on your own home, right, and if you you know,
and there's electricians, there's plenty of electricians out there that
would come in and inspect your work, you know, for
a small fee and and and give you the go
ahead or you know, grade you essentially and yeah, okay,
so yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
So it's so it's possible. It's like I think, I
think that's kind of the cool part about I was.
I'm I'm actually just a little I'm excited for this kid.
He's only like twenty six, maybe twenty four, twenty six
years old. I mean, I think you, I know, Barb
and I did. We owned our very first home. Talk
about God taking just blessings. We own our very first

(15:14):
home in like twenty four, and this young man's the
same age and he's going to go get at it.
I'm kind of excited for him. So there's a lot
of things. I think it's encouraging just for people. And David,
you and I did it without YouTube, So yeah, kind
of like when I took physics and chemistry without a calculator.

(15:35):
My dad did teach me how to use a slide rule.
That's all going, all right. So I think the caution
has always just have don't get into stuff that you're
not well.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, use common sense and if you're
not sure and you know, and if you don't have
an idea of how it works, even if someone comes
and shows you that's that's you probably need to hang
out with them and do it for a while before
he's are doing it on your own. So yeah, you know,
but once you once you learn it, you know, you'll
you'll say, ah, that's that's easy stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know, it's it's not so bad and that and that.
Part of it is just having the testinal fortitude to start,
you know, and just take your time to figure it out.
All right. Here's one that we've I know, we've attacked.
We've attacked this attached attack this before reattaching a drain
pop up. So my little you know, lever behind the drain,

(16:28):
I pull it up, nothing happens, push it down, nothing
happens to the pop up itself. It's just kind of there.
That's not hard to fix.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Is it just it's not just go ahead, well that
little the little clip a lot of times is it
just it just slips out? What happens? You know? It's
funny because a lot of the drains now are are
you pushing down by hand? So they're they're they're starting
to eliminate the pop up, which makes me happy because
it's one less place you can have a leak. And

(16:58):
I don't hardly ever use it anyway on the or
fill the sync up I can't remember the last time
I did, but but yeah, so the little the little
there's it's like a linkage. So it's two parts. You
have the rod and then you have a flat piece
of metal that connects to the rod. And then there's
the lever with the ball which is actually what operates
the pop up that gets attached by a little spring clip.

(17:22):
And sometimes sometimes they pop off they weren't put on
properly or they're under tension and they can pop off.
So again to to you know, I'm saying all these words,
but if you if you look it up on YouTube,
I'm sure someone has a sink set up with the
back cut out of it and you can video it.
You can, you can you can see it on a
video and it's pretty simple to fix. There's not a

(17:43):
whole lot to it, but you don't know until until
you see it, right, Just one of those things so.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
It's it's not so hard and it is one of
the annoying things. Like there's also I'm thinking now I
haven't really looked closely, but I think I don't know
which manufacturer Mole and Delta, maybe maybe all of them
have like these super easy like connection the cables.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
But I've not looked at because sometimes things that are
done to make it super easy end up making super
unintended complications.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Right, well, last you use them, Yes, I have. But
the last few that I've done as of lately, they've
all been pop ups by hand, So there's no and
I like that because there's a lot of reasons. A
lot of times you don't have room between the backsplash
and the faucet, so so I like that push in
by hand. Man, We're already had a break, how about it?

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Speaker 4 (23:06):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
We're taking calls this morning at seven O four five
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(23:30):
loving it. Husky. I'm going to Husky. It's a Husky
two hundred and seventy piece mechanics tool set, has three
different drive sizes, quarter, three, eights and a half. It
comes with a storage case. David, do you like this part.
Each of the trays is marked with the drive size

(23:52):
and then like organized for very easy read on both
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I don't know the older, I get I got arthritis
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The trays can come out and fit in another toolbox.
Like if you've got like a big chest or whatever

(24:15):
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(24:38):
And it comes with a lifetime warranty. It's a Husky
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I actually had the benefit David at Home Depot. I
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in Atlanta, deep in the bowels of the garage, the
parking deck. It's actually in the building, but it is

(25:02):
this test lab and they test like not all their products,
but a lot of the different products Husky tools generators,
and they do these things like I guess like an
independent testing lab would do. They have all the equipment
and they put torque on these things to see when
they fail, and they put weight to see when they

(25:24):
brend it. It's just crazy the amount of stress that
these things will take before they before they bend or fail. Anyway,
that's for free, no right speaking of for free price
point on two hundred and seventy piece set one hundred
and nineteen dollars. That's not bad, not bad at all.

(25:46):
That's a good deal anyway.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
You're just starting out to get that stuff, it's kind
of nice to have it.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, if you want so. I mean, you probably don't
want to buy it for like you know, a neighbor
that you don't like. But if you're trying to help
somebody get started in the business, one hundred and is
not a bad investment to get somebody set up, right
if you got to. If somebody's getting married, you got
you're bringing a son in law into the house. You
want them, you know, to do more than drink beer

(26:12):
and watch TV.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
And borrow your tools.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
And that was when Chris was doing all that stuff
at South Meck. I'd be like, where is never mind,
it's at south Meck. All my tools were at south Neck.
All right, let's see where are we where we we
were talking? Oh so here this is funny story. This

(26:35):
bethtubs left hand, right hand right. So the plumber was
out to the house the other day, get everything ready,
text us and like, hey, this is a right hand
tub and you need a left hand tub. Like rookie mistake, right.

(26:57):
So I did try to explain to the people at
home when I returned the tub to swap it out
for a left hand I was like, well, everybody in
our family is right handed, and so I just thought
a right hand tub. But apparently there's a difference. What
is the difference between a left hand tub and a

(27:18):
right hand tub, David.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, that's which which end the drains on. So uh.
And the reason is is if it's a if it's
a drop in tub, they're usually not handed because it
drops into a platform, and so you cut a hole
out and the tub sits in the platform, everybody seeing
them the tile up to the tub or around it.

(27:40):
But you can flip that tub around left or right
because it doesn't have a flange. But if you have
a flange on a tub, which allows you to fasten
it to the wall, and it also is your dam
to keep the water from getting behind the tile or whatever. Yep,
but they have they come predetermined right or left hand,
so that's where you're drained. That so you do have

(28:01):
to you do have to order the right tub. I
guess sometimes in new construction, it it probably always matters
because it's already it's been pre it's been it's predetermined.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's got to go on a wall where the plumbing
is well.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
But but the tub goes in. Remember if a new construction,
the tub goes in first, so the plumbing is not
even there. So there, I.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Guess you could run it right now you got a
headache first, but out now plumber Tim is fussing, right.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
But if it's a slab, it is roughed and the
drains are rough in the and the and the the
hot and the cold. So yes, then in that case
it does. But a lot of times, if it's a
framed house, you could reverse the plumbing. But if it's
been engineered, you know like a like a like a
toilet set up so that it doesn't hit on a

(28:49):
joist because it has a pretty good sized pipe coming
out of the bottom of it. So that has to
be a lot of times that has to be headed
off and blocked off in order for that to it
and keep the run of the joist going properly. So
sixteen inches on center, so you know there is there
is a little thought that has to be put into
that before it's you know, when it's being designed.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
There you go. I think the guy Wayne is like
a plumber, licensed plumber that works at the local home depot.
And I think he believed me when I said everybody
in the house was right handed. So that's why I
bought it. I think he thought I was serious to
work on waymouth sense of humor. All right, So oh

(29:35):
here's another so selfish this week? I should I meant
to send you a picture. You know we've talked about
the galvanized drain lines and stuff, right I I cut
we re routed all the plumbing in the house to
get rid of the old galvanies and and put it
all in PVC and then took it out. So I

(29:56):
had these two pieces of inch and a half galvanized
pipes sticking up in the kitchen. I just cut him
off because everything has been abandoned underneath right those things, David,
were almost solid corrosion. Like I have a picture of
have to send you. It's like ridiculous. It's a reason
why you want to switch from galvanied to PVC. Here

(30:16):
comes Mike. Mike, good morning. You're on the whole Deep
Homer Puvement Show with John A. Dave. How are you hey?

Speaker 12 (30:23):
Good morning guys.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Hey.

Speaker 12 (30:25):
So I have a quick story about a left hand
right hand tub. So this is years ago. There was
a store, hardware store that had a tub that was
free and it had a little chip in it. And
I was working with a guy at the time and
we needed a new tub in our house and he said, uh,

(30:47):
we are taken. I said, well, it's the wrong you know,
it's the wrong way. It's mine's the other way.

Speaker 10 (30:52):
And he goes, ah, that's no big deal.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
We were without a tub for about a month because
I tore the old one out. And again this is
just years ago. Before a lot of flexible fittings. I
could not get the fittings to reroute for the drain.
I tried every angled piece that they had. Nothing would

(31:16):
line up. So I ended up tearing part of more
of the floor up because the house was built in
the twenties. I ended up tearing more of the floor
up and found out that somebody previously had.

Speaker 10 (31:29):
Heated a pipe up with a torch, a drain pipe,
and they dumped it so it would work, so it
would fit around like one of the blocking and the joists.

Speaker 12 (31:41):
And uh, I mean, it was the biggest nightmare. I
I cursed that guy till this day when he said,
you know, oh, don't worry about it, no big deal,
it doesn't matter. But oh man, it was when you
when you plan about it, it just it just it
just uh sparked a bat.

Speaker 13 (31:59):
Memory she started having, like it triggered you note, like
I said, it was our first house, uh, wife and
I and we were without it was the only bathroom
was you know, so we.

Speaker 12 (32:13):
Were taking showers at our parents' house. And I mean,
it was just a nightmare. But anyway, Jordan, uh uh
that's about it.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Thanks man, No, thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I appreciate. It is a great one of those things.
Where are you gonna you spend so much money because
of everything you saved.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Right, Well, we got to spend it. Spend a dollar
to save a dime.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, So let's take a break. Let's spend a minute
and uh and spend and get and spend some money.
Seven four five seven eleven ten. That's the number to
the Home Deep Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.
We'll be right back. Welcome back. It's the Whole Deep
Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Give a call. We got lines open seven four five
seven eleven ten. Also got like not a lot happen
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getting those texts in, David, I was sinking during the
break there, you know Mike's call about the bathtub and
and you know somebody heating a pipe up. Like one

(33:21):
of the very first jobs I had in like in
this business was as a carpenter's helper and we were
remodeling basements in Chicago, and I feel like, I mean,
there were some really old homes, especially up on the
North Side that we would get into with like lead pipe, yes,
and you could literally bend that like with your hands, right.

(33:46):
I wonder, I wondered that pipe that Mike talked about
was actually they heated it up or whether it was
actually a lead pipe.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
And it could have been. Well, you know, I've seen
I've seen copper drains inch and a half copper drains too.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
So yeah, my parents had that under their home and
it was built in the early sixties and all their
drains under the homework copper. People broke into the house,
they would want to go into the cross space and
get the copper for copper. Yeah, that's big copper too,
So yeah, it's really big.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
When you were on that, I wanted to just mention
this because I think we probably have talked about it
in previous shows. But for those that are remodeling, you know,
if you're changing out a bathtub and set in a
fiberglass or even even a metal tub. But a lot
of times shower pans are are a culprit. But but
but also some of the fiberglass tubs that that you

(34:40):
set and it's lightweight and they're easy to work with,
but make sure you read the directions and uh study
if you're supposed to set that tub in a mortar bed.
And I don't know if you've if you've ever seen that,
because a lot of times people skip that. And of
course I've seen I've seen contractors use dry wall mud
and just don't at all, it doesn't matter. Well, yeah

(35:01):
it does matter. So you want to use what they
what they tell you to use. You can, I think
you can use plaster, but I think I think the
preferred method would be just some some mortar mixed up
and and basically you set that you you dry fit
the shower pan and then we always marked on the
floor where the edge of it was, and then we

(35:23):
would pull the pan back out, make sure it fit
with the drain, and then we would put pile mix
mortar and pile it up and then you you you
set that pan in it, and then you bet it
in it.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
So bet it in right, so it's almost like all
one piece.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Right and it and it. That way, you don't get
that sponginess in the shower pan that you you feel
in so many places. You know, it's just it's not good.
And eventually eventually the pan brakes is what happens because
it's not made to flex back and forth all the
time like that. So but the trick is is that
you lay like a packing quilt or something inside the

(35:58):
shower and then you just get in it and you
walk it and you just walk all around in it,
and you press it down and you get it nice
and tight, and then you can fasten it to the
to the studs through the flans. There's a nailing flames
around the edge, and then you get strain hooked up
and let that thing sat overnight and you're you're good.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's rock solid.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, you will not have a problem with it. And
some of the higher end stuff that solid acrylic will
come it'll come pre foamed, so you don't have to
do that. It's it's it's not necessary, but if the
floor is out of level, you may have to do it,
because it's a way that you can. That's a that's
a solid way to raise them back up, you know,
or or to shim them.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
No, that's a really good point.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
It just I don't know why it popped into my head,
but well.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
It's good. It's a good pop. It's a good pop.
The the other thing kind of I remember, and maybe
maybe it was just me in the in the industry,
but I remember when like the one piece fiberglass showers
were relatively new. You know, they all had to go
in before during the framing stage, right, because they were
so big they had to go in through an open

(37:07):
wall because you couldn't get them through any kind of doorway.
But they also had framing instructions, right, Yeah, So a
lot of people just stuck those things in and screwed
them to the to whatever was there and then had
problems with in the best case, just creaking. And then
the worst cases, you said, David, things started to you
get the hairline cracks and fractures because it was being

(37:30):
stressed in ways it wasn't designed to be stressed. Sure,
it's it's a read the instructions kind of world. Still
it really is.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Well and they know they know from from failures of
what happens to those things, and that's you know, that's
that's where it comes from. So you know, somebody has
already been the guinea pig, so to speak. So you know,
followed the follow those directions, and those are important because
that's not an easy that's not an easy fix.

Speaker 12 (37:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
You know, you basically have to go back to that point.
So everything needs to be tore out and out of
the way, you know. And a lot of times when
people say that, you know, and they'll have a shotgun bathroom,
like a five foot by seven foot bathroom and they say, well,
we just want to change the tub out, we don't
want to do anything else. Well, it's guess what, it's
pretty tough. I mean you can get a tub out

(38:19):
a lot of times. You could break up a cast
iron tub, a steel tub, you can't. You have to
take it out as one piece fiberglass. You can use
a reciprocating saw on, but that's cultured marble. Yeah, cultured marble.
You can break it up. But if you put a
solid tub back in there, you can't have the toilet
and all that stuff in the way because the dry
wall has to be down because if it's measured to

(38:41):
the studs, and then everything else goes in on top
of it. So, you know, usually when you're changing the
bathtub out, a lot of times unless you put a
shower pan back in its place, you know, tough job.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
It's yes, it's there's a lot of there's a lot
of moving parts that aren't supposed to move. Right. Hey,
let's talk to Rob.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Good morning on the Whole Deep Homer Puma Show with
John and Dave. How are you.

Speaker 12 (39:06):
I'm doing well this morning?

Speaker 14 (39:07):
How about you guys?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Doing well?

Speaker 12 (39:09):
Good?

Speaker 15 (39:10):
Good?

Speaker 14 (39:10):
So I got a question about I've got like a
thousand square foot bungalow and it has a quarter basement,
and when it rains heavy, it does get some moisture
in the basement. I have a sump pump and all that,
but it just seems to be like a lot.

Speaker 15 (39:25):
Of extra humidity sure and dampness in the house. And
I was going to get a dehumidifier into the house.
I'm just wondering if is it best to get one
and put it in the basement or have one for
inside the house.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I would start in the basement, John.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I would too with it. I would get a good one.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
You get a good one with a pump, say that
you don't have to empty it. You need one that
will pump the water up to a drain or to
to daylight. What you can do is it just needs
to have enough list on that pump, because it'll tell
you what the lift is or how far it can pump.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
So, David Litt, we got yeah, we got a break. Hey, Rob,
don't go away. We gotta slide away for a break.
But but keep you on home. We'll make sure we
answer off the air seven four five, seven eleven ten.
The Whole Deep Home Improvement Show, which on and Dave.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
The Home Depot Home improvement Show with John and Dave
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Speaker 3 (40:53):
Welcome back, everybody, It's our number two with a Home
Deep home improvement show with John and Dave.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And uh, let's see, David, did you get was it
ron squared away?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
We did? We did? And uh and I forgot he
said he had a sump pump, so he really did
just buy a perfect a standard unit with he doesn't
have to have a pump and he could just gravity
feed it over it's over to his some pump and
that's that's the ideal situation. And even if even if
it if he needed a little bit more height, you
could set the dehumidifier up on blocks and that'll give

(41:28):
you a little bit more height so that you can
gravity feed to that drain.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
The true, all all true. I think when I priced
out the humidifiers to replace one of ours in the
old basement, the price for one that had a some
pump versus just gravity drain was virtually nothing is it's
not and so yeah, either way it's a win. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
The only reason that the only time I tell people
if you can rely on the gravity drained because you're
just hooking a garden hose to it, a standard garden hose.
You just want to make sure it's not kinked or anything.
But it's one less thing to go wrong because you
don't have to worry about pump failure. You have a
pump failure than the dehumidifier shot and you have to
buy another dehumidifier. So you know, like we say, keep

(42:18):
it simple. We won't say the rest of it, but
keep it stupidly simple. That's right, keep it simple and
and and you won't have problems. So yeah, and and
and back to that cause Lannie and I were just
talking about that off air, and they were talking to
he was talking about that their house has been uncomfortable.
They're saying it's it's heated up. You know, he's not

(42:40):
there all the time where he's here working obviously, but
it's probably the humidity. So the same thing that that
Mike was talking about, the humidity was was so high, well,
this This has been a really super humid last month
that we've gone through.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh my gosh, yeah, super humid summer.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yes, I mean it really has been. But here it's
been this last month. We've had so much rain, and
it's just it's it is. It is what it is.
So if you have a crawl space, you should be monitoring.
And that's what Lonnie and I just talked about, was
him getting a remote weather station or something to measure
the humidity in the crawl space. They're not very expensive,

(43:20):
and you're better off to know what's going on in
the crawl space, what's the temperature, and what is the
what's the humidity level. And you know, it's not a
bad idea to have one in the attic either, because
it kind of helps you see what's going on. We
have a we have a triple but so we're measuring
crawl space attic and then it also the base unit

(43:41):
measures the temperature and humidity in the house, so you
can kind of see between the three what's going on,
and and you know, you know what you're dealing with.
So and if you need to do anything, you know,
do you need a dehumidifier in the crawl space do
you need encapsulation? You know, we just have Wes Wooden
in here. He'd tell you exactly what you need.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
To do here. Yeah, okay, good stuff.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Little little dry pro information there.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, let's see, let me see, let me see. Oh,
here's some We got a text. Sorry, we have a
text on the WBT text line driven by Libry Bwick
gmc here is. Brian says he's getting ready to have
the house trim. The prim mount his house painted last

(44:31):
done eight years ago with Sherman Williams. Duration. That's a
good product. Duration, it looks okay, but color has dull
some He wants to do it, get it painted. He's
debating between one coat and two coats. One contractor says
two coats is what he would do. Others are saying

(44:53):
one is enough. I am, to my wife's great frustration,
a two coat person. Just I know that things cover
in one coat. I don't think David, that I'm doing
anything like sometimes more is not better, right, But in

(45:18):
this case, I would do the two coats more to
your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I think it depends on what you're what you're covering,
if you're if you're going back with the same color
and the base is in pretty good shape. It's eight
years old. He still really has some time left. It's
just dulled out, but it makes for a really good uh,
once it's washed and scrubbed off, it makes for a
really good base to paint back over. So he could

(45:46):
probably get away with one coat. But but let's face it,
two coats is better.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
And it's and it's all it's yeah, So Brian, also,
there's probably a cost difference between like one coat and
two coats, right.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Right, So but remember half the cost is more than
half the cost is going to be in the prep yep.
So cleaning the painting is pretty fast. I mean, you know,
it's it's unfortunate that you spend more time moving your
ladders than you actually do painting, you.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Know, I mean, it's not true, it's very true.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
So so yeah, go ahead, and I would just get
the two coats. It's not going to hurt anything, that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah. So there's some things like if you put a
second coat on top of a cured first coat, like
it doesn't bond correctly, but you're gonna be fine. So
I would say, go to use a technical painting term,
rock on with your bad self. Go for two. Okay,

(46:47):
here's David. I when I put my face in the sink,
it smells funky. I think it means his sink, not
his face, smells funky. There's a whole lot of bad
things we could joke about here, so we're not going to.
But like if if you're like washing up and you
put your face down close to the sink, like it's

(47:09):
not enough to smell up in the bathroom, but like
you get close, something smells. Usually that is the little
overflow drain that's just got smelly funk in it. Correct,
and you can you can solve that by filling the
sink up and like with some bleach cleaner, whatever you

(47:32):
can put we've we've the same stuff that they use
to clean out most a lot of guys just use bleach.
But the stuff that they used to clean out your
condensate lines, all that stuff. If if the if it's
got a little bit overflow and then it just sits,
that's you get a smell in there, right, And and

(47:55):
that's the easiest way to clean it. If you I
don't know that you would try to get some kind
of like bottle brush or something down in there. I
don't think I would try that, I think.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah, because you could could break it off and get
it stuck down in there. You're better off just to
just to rinse it and you could just like you said, John,
just the easiest way is just to fill the sink up.
But you could also put a funnel funnel it, funnel
it in, and you can funnel it in. We've done that,
so you have you have options. That's yeah, that's it.
That's about all you can do.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, it's a it's it's an easy fix actually, and
it's something that that folks forget to think about, right
is there's there's a little bit of maintenance technically there
also and then uh, I feel like we've also spoken about,
you know, the little fruit flies, the they're not technically
fruit flies, the little net looking things that that don't

(48:43):
live in your drains. That's a place for them to
hide out also in there. We just typically say, you know,
put a little ammonia in there and and and let
a piece of you know, wet paper towel over the
hole just to hold the ammonia there for a minute.
And the literally imonia gas.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I guess, yeah, it takes care of sure does be
in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
That's oh my gosh. The first time I washed windows
professionally like or to with ammonia, like I worked in
a butcher shop and the guys I can put this
in there and go wash my windows. Oh my god,
I thought I was gonna die.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I've got a whiff of that first. That first huff
is nice. Yeah, so yeah, be careful. One one quick thing.
Don't mix. Don't ever mix ammonia and bleach and bleach
those two don't go together. You never mix those together.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
So no, that's s mustard gas lethal. All right, let's
see so here, what is the best groud cleaner and sealer?
And then how often should I seal my grout? I, David,
I don't know what you use. I use the Labs

(49:54):
crowd cleaner and and then Labs, but of late I've
been using I can't remember the name of it. It's
a cleaner seiler combination and I just do it every time.
So every time I clean, I'm ceiling. Every time Bob cleans,

(50:15):
she's ceiling. What what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I like it. I think it depends on how how
if you're if you're just doing regular maintenance, that's a
great product. And after it's been cleaned thoroughly. If it's
been neglected for a little while, then you you you
really are going to have to clean it with something
that will that will that will shine it up. Uh.
But then you can switch over to switch over to

(50:39):
the product you're using. We've been using. Uh, we were
using the wet and forget shower. Oh right, you remember
they sent us some samples that time, and then after
after we used it, she really liked it so that
I kept buying that, and I was thinking that's what
was causing all of the soap because it was it

(50:59):
literally melts the soap off of the walls or any
soap scumbing it and it cleans. And she liked it
because you didn't really have to scrub, you could just
rinse anyway. So we decided I was reading something one
day about peroxide, so I bought twelve percent peroxide and
cut it in half, fixed at six six percent with
water and sprayed the shower down. Well, it cleaned everything

(51:23):
out of there. It did a really good job, and
it's it actually helps brighten the grout and we only
seal once a year in the shower. So that's what
we're using. And I like the I'd used the miracle celant,
the five to one one five one one penetrating stealer,

(51:45):
and that works really well. Ye so but it but
that's all year, so it lasts for about a year.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
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(52:20):
Welcome back. It's the Home Deeper Home Improvement Show with
John and Dave.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Dovo.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Seven four five seven eleven ten. That's our phone line,
that's our text line. A couple things here real quick.
Deborah First, thanks my whatever those little things to grow
in your draine comment drane moths, Thank you, Debrah, appreciate that.
And then what is the best product to clean my

(52:48):
vinyl siding? Oh, there's a lot of them out there.
The couple come to mind, like I think just about
anything done correctly, like most of them are going to
have a high bleach content content. There's there's a ZEP
makes a general purpose cleaner, A concentrate and a and

(53:12):
a regular cleaner that you can use Joe Max. It
makes a house and roof wash that's very effective, kills
the mildew, wipes, wipes it, you know, gets gets it
clean stains right, the stains really Yeah, because we're going
to talk about one more thing about the mildew in
a second here. But but I was using I can't

(53:36):
remember if it's thirty second or sixty second. I think
it's sixty second cleaner. Again, it's a concentrate, and I
was buying the big gallon and just putting it in
uh well for driveways and and like lawn furniture and stuff.
Just putting my pressure washer at low with the lowest pressure.

(53:56):
Those all those are all things that work really well.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some versions of it, but most
anything that's got a bleach in it, some will have
some will say non bleach cleaners, they've got a different,
you know, base solution. But it's all designed to do

(54:18):
fundamentally the same thing. David, you mentioned peroxide. Uh solutions
of peroxide are as effective as solutions of bleach. But
go with Joe Max or is that products like that
where you know where you've got trusted right.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
So, so any most house washes, if it says how
siding wash, roof wash, those those are those are gonna
either it's either gonna be bleach or or chlorine based,
or it's gonna be peroxide based. Yeah. And then and
I always mixed, and I know you probably did too.
I always put a little soap, uh some type of soap
in it, whether it be laundry detergent or n uh down.

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We would you know, usually we would buy something something
cheap because we just need it to foam up. If
you can put us they're factor in there, then it'll
it'll especially on a horizontal surface or a vertical surface,
you can it'll stick. So you're siding, and that's what
you want. And then how many times have we talked

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about this, Start at the bottom and work your way up, right.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
That's important. So and then if you got vinyl siding,
well that's the question here, right, you want to be
really careful. You can use a pressure washer on it.
But if you come at it, if you've got a
two story house and you're if you're coming at the
siding on the second story from the ground or even

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with an extended wand you got to be really careful
because the pressure washer under at the bottom edge of
every course of siding, if it's a twin, you know,
it's every other course, but with what look like a course.
But there's a little wheephole to allow you know, condensation

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and things that happened between the siding and the and
the house wrap. It allows that to drain out and
not cause problems. When you use a pressure washer, those
wheepholes are still there, only now you're using them in reverse.
You're actually driving water up behind the siding, and that's
typically not a good plan.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Well, yeah for pretty careful. Well, yeah, you're putting more
water behind it. Hopefully, if the house wrap is intact,
it's it's it's just going to drain down. But the
other thing that happens is a lot of dirt and
dust accumulates behind that siding, and if you get a
bunch of water behind the siding, it's running down. Yeah,
the house is all clean, and then you'll have these

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streaks at all the wheepholes where the water's coming out
of the wheepholes and it's it's carrying that dirt with it.
So now the house is all streaked up.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Again, how I know that the whole new meaning to wheephole.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
You got to come back and clean again, Dave.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, and well, and the problem is sometimes you get
some staining with that. Also, Yes, they have to work
the other thing. I think you were the one that
that kind of had me try this, and I went
out and bought, you know, the car brushes for car
wash brushes. Yes, I just bought an extension poll that
connected to the end of my hose and and it

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ran water through it right right, And that is really good.
Where you have to get some mildew off difficult places,
you agitated it a little bit, so that's that's that's
what you do. So I hope, I hope that that
is helpful.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, agitating and cleaning with the brush is a lot
of times is really to me, is better than a
pressure washer. You cause less damage, you can agitate, you
can clean, and especially if you're getting ready to repaint,
is the ideal way to prep a surface and clean it.
And it's tough, you know, if you're on an extension

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ladder and you're trying to scrub, but it's worth it
because you really get rid of all the bond breakers
and you're gonna end up with a much better paint
job in the end, bing.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Go, We're still on the paint topic here. Question from
Ed says, can you have rhinoshield installed over old asbestos siding?
So that would be a great question for Rhino Shield
to get the correct technical response. My sense is, David,
as long as it's not like in a deterioration mode,

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sometimes that old asbestos starts to flake and becomes problematic,
which is problematic on any of a number of fronts.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Right, So, but as long.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
As the integrity of this is good, I believe rhinl
Shield would actually be a great product to put over it.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I think it would be too. And you know, I
think that that product is very similar. It's probably a
polyurethane base. I would think for it to last as
long as it does because it really I think when
they put it on it becomes all almost all one.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Pieces, almost like exactly you're yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
That's my understanding. So pretty cool product.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I would check with the Rhino Shield people. I think
they say, Dan Howey is the guy that you know
owns a company now, but he may not be the
guy to answer the phone. I kind of hope not.
But but I would check and see what they say.
Maybe somebody has to come out and take a look.
The only thing I can think that would be problematic
and any of that would be is if it's starting,

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if it started to deteriorate where it's lost a little
bit of its surface integrity, then you then that could
be a challenge and there might be a way even
to treat you know, for that. But that's it. I
would say two thumbs up. I guess David says the same,
so that's four thumbs up. Check it out. All right,
we're about oh my gosh, all right, let's go. We're

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Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Well, I think I still have most of my Craftsmen stuff,
My first first tool box, Yeah bought.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
So Yeah, I inherited not like legally but literally like
all of my dad's craftsmen tools, and and then I
have my I had my own, right, But it's just
they're like it's it's pretty great when you good tools
are like invaluable, if you know what it's like when

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you're I'm been trying to do a break job. The
very first break job I did in my truck with
drum brakes, not having all the right tools. It was
a long afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Yeah, especially when they just everything falls off.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
How do I get? Oh? I see that's how that is.
I wonder if I messed with the drum are they
were they? Anyway? Let's keep going. Seven four, five, seven,
eleven ten. That's the number of gifts. Call. We'll talk
about what's important to you. We talked about the groud
cleaning question. Oh here's what David, I want. I've heard

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you guys talk about fastening a TV over a brick fireplace.
How did you do it? Uh? We used, Well, you, David,
you can use tap cons. I've been living in tapcon
Heaven lately with different projects that I've got there to
do framing and masonry, combinations. But when you do it,

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you don't do that. You don't fasten the actual mounting
bracket with the TAPCNS. You mount wood to the wall
and then fasten the mounting bracket wherever you need to
on that wood correctly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Yeah. A lot of times what we'll do is is
will mount the plywood, will paint it black because usually
the TV holder's black, and then we'll we'll paint it black,
let it dry, and then we mount the plywood and
then you can mount the TV mount to that. And
the reason we do that is because sometimes the holes
in the mount hit in a in a mortar joint

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and you don't hold as well in a mortar joint.
It's not as as not as strong as the bricks.
So it'll it'll hold, but you put a big TV
up there, I just it's not my TV. I think
I'm probably gonna do it this way, you know, And
it's different when you're you know, you're doing it for
someone else, so you just want to make sure it's permanent.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
So you use plywood. I like that theory because I'm
guessing it's three quarter inch plywood and is that thick
enough to hold the frame?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Yeah? Because you just go to a you could go
to a wider a thicker screw, so you could go
to a number twelve or fourteen screw that's shorter, and
you know, if you pre drill a little bit, it's
you know, it's going to hold the world. It's not
going to pull out. So you're you're you're fine with that.
And if you want a little extra strength, if you're
not sure, you can also put a little bit of

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glue behind on the plywood. But you know the problem
with that is is if you you go to take
that down, it's a lot of work and a lot
of times the glue will take the face of the
brick off.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
The face of the brick off. Yes, brick will fail before.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
The It almost always does. It's pretty tough stuff. So
especially that P and L adhesive, which is my go
to glue. I love that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's it's so a tap con.
They are pretty awesome fasteners. I remember when they first
came out, I was kind of like, I wasn't I
didn't trust them, and I've really done some pretty crazy things,
and I mean they literally will bite and if you're
driving them in into a piece of wood or plywood.

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They bite enough to pull that draw that wood down
in just like overconnecting wood to wood.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
That's like you pre drilled it for the head to
be countersunk. It'll draw it right down into the wood.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Take it, it'll take it down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
And they make larger ones too, so for larger projects.
So they have half inch and five eighths. Oh yeah,
And that's how we held down our shelter. You know,
we had a prefab metal shelter beside our pool, and
that's how that's fastened down to concrete. And it just
has very large tap cons that are holding the legs down.

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And it's been through some pretty tough wind out there.
So a couple of times I wasn't sure it was
gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, I mean I I must have been half inch.
Maybe it was five ahes tapcon that I looked at,
and I'm like, gracious, I'm gonna need to get a drill.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
You have to have a big drill to put that in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah, all right, here's a question. Let's see what is
a good d d Y I. I think they mean
d I Y gutter guard? David? What did what you
did your own correct? What did you use and use it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
We use strainers in the down spouts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I love them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
We don't have we only have our we have our
neighbors trees that we deal with. We we really don't.
I mean, we have a couple of maple trees that
are a distance from the house, and I'm sure some
of those leaves. But my neighbors, both on both sides,
have sweet gums, and we have sweet gum balls all
the time in those in the in the gutters. So
the strainers, I'm only putting those in because we have

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drains underground drains that I'm trying to keep the debris
from getting in there. And and it's a it's it's
a good sign because when they when the strainers get
clogged up, I can tell. There's just a couple of
places on the house it happens. But the water you
could see the water overflowing those six inch gutters. That's
a lot of water when it gets a lot of
water when it gets to that point. So they work

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really well. And then I was going to tell you
about a new one that's out, and uh, I know
we're gonna go to a break, so maybe when we
come back we can talk.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, let's yeah, we'll go So we'll go ahead and
make our break in about thirty seconds here, but we
can give you an idea on that. And then there's
a there's one that I've been looking at and thinking
really hard about because I like the design and it's
one that you could either have installed professionally or install yourself,
and how it fits together makes sense. So we'll talk

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Welcome back. It's the whole Deep Bumb Improvement Show with
John and Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Last segment of the week. Seven O four five seven
oh eleven ten. Seven O four five seven oh eleven
ten is also the text number for the WBT text
line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. Let's see, we were
talking gutter guard.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Yeah, you were just asking about that and I somebody
reminded me I've seen this once before. And Randy from
Empire Carpet and Blinds called me the other day. We
were talking about he was asking me about gutter guards
and asked me what I thought about rain drop gutter guards.
I don't know if you've seen those yet, John, I'm not.

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I'm not sure how long they've been out, but somebody
else had sent me something about it. Pretty cool product.
Kind of reminds me of the great on your grill
is what it looks like. But it's a black plastic
and it has and it's just it's just little rods
and then it has supports that go down the middle

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of it. And to me, it looks like it would
let small debris through, which is okay, but it will
let more water through, which is the big thing. A
lot of these gutter guards you see, are they have
they're perforated or they have a screen over them. Yes,
you know, you get a you get a pretty heavy rain,

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You're not You're probably not going to collect as much
water is probably gonna tend to wash off or shed
off of it. I mean, they do a good job,
and they certainly keep the gutters clean. But this thing
looks like it might be it might be the answer.
But it's called rain you call raindrop raindrop.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah, all right, so that's worth checking out. Then the
one that I've been looking at, pardon me, is gut
or glove. And here's so just based on your description
of the rain drop on David, I don't know. I
we have live oaks here, yes, beautiful, I love them.

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And there's two kinds of live oaks I'm learning. One
sheds its leaves in the fall and the other sheds
its leaves in the spring. Fortunately, thank the Lord, we
have some of each on our property so that we
always have live oak leaves falling, which I'm so grateful.

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But there're skinny little leaves, right, yes, But when you
get a bunch of skinny little leaves, like they become problematic.
So I'm looking at the it's a mesh, and I'm
concerned about two things with the mesh. One is it's
like you say, doesn't let enough water through. The other

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I'm thinking about, David. I'm just thinking. You know, one
of the seasons when you live in our climate, there's winter, spring, summer, fall,
but there's also in the middle of spring an additional
season called the pollening. And during that season of the pollening,
like I'm afraid that the pollen gets on there, gets

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wet and becomes like a caked paste and now nothing
gets through there. I don't know, so the verdicts still
out on that particular product. I know we probably haven't
helped you at all, John, but but I think check
out the rain drop take a look at the at
the at the gut or glove, because I'm thinking, what

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I like about that one is it's metal. It's it
if you look at how it fastens, it's not like
just a snap in kind of thing. It fits in correctly,
but it also gets fastened correctly and permanently. I don't know,
check them out. I'll have to check out the rain
Drop one. That sounds pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I think it might be. Uh, it might be
a helpful, helpful one for a lot of folks. And again,
you can always put a strainer in the down spout,
so anything. If you have underground drains, if you're not
going to underground drains, it's it's not as big of
a deal, you know, Or if you just hang out
and fix it exactly, or you just have a short extension.

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You know, we're going into four inch PVC in the ground,
and you know, I just I don't want to deal
with it, so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Right, No, No, it's I agree, I agree, that's that's
correct thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Yeah, so it's it's uh, you know, everybody's different, so
every situation is different. I don't know that there's a
one size fits all, uh for for gutters. I just don't.
I think I think some people. I tell people often
for for the amount of money sometimes that you have
to spend to get something to put over the gutters,
you could pay somebody to come out three four times

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a year for for many years for what you're you're
going to do that, And a lot of these companies
will set you up on a calendar and you don't
even have to call them. I mean they'll just come
and they'll bill you and it's done, and you know
they're ensured, they're you know all that, they do all
the right things. So I don't know either that or

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build a low house like I did. There you go, Yeah,
it reached most of them with the eight foot ladder.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
That's I do the same. I'm on a ranch now.
I love it. I love it a lot. Okay, here's one.
This is actually related to another question that came up,
but we'll go with this one. Should you leave here
we go? Should you leave manual crawl space events open
this summer with all the rain are closed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Here? Well, here's the thing we we know with the
end we talked. We talked about that a few weeks
ago right in West West with dry Pro exactly in depth.
But this is there's a code change in in North
Carolina and I think it's I think it's going to
probably be throughout the country. Is that if if you

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if you seal, if you close your vents and and
are going to encapsulate, you have to you have to
tape the plastic. You have to do a full encapsulation.
I don't think they're going to allow you to do
a in between anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Okay, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I'm not sure of all the rules yet. But it's
not and it's not it's not in the code yet,
but it's it's gonna be my understanding as there some
company country or some counties that are already enforcing it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Well you heard it here first, folks, David. Remember this
is probably ten, fifteen, maybe twenty years ago. We said
the day will come when you're gonna have to think
about the crawl space almost as a conditioned space like
something you might have to do some things in the
construction process or in the you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
And you know, what I've always said is that we
should just they should be concreted with a floor drain
in it so that you could put a creeper on.
Every house should come with a creeper and it has
a little rack that it hangs on, and you let
that down, you get on that thing, and you could
roll around underneath your house and you won't have any problems.
I think you would eliminate a lot of things if

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we did that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
That was my dad's solution. I loved going to his
house and winterizing everything and doing the stuff. He had
a creeper, mechanics screeper, and the entire crawl space was concrete.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
That's what I'm saying. That's yeah, you know, and people say, oh,
what costs more, it adds more to the house, Well
does it? Think about think about what can happen underneath
the house. Lonnie and I were discussing that about the
extra moisture that builds up underneath the house. If you're
not controlling that, you're not taking care of that. It
could cost you a small fortune to have wood wood

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replaced underneath the crawl space, because remember that floor system
is the first thing that goes in when they build
that house. They build that, they put a footing, they
put a brick foundation, and then they build the floor system,
and everything in the house sits on top of that
that platform. So when you have to start taking it
out in the middle of the house, it becomes very

(01:17:41):
expensive and you have to do it. You have no choice,
so the house will fall in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Now we did it.

Speaker 16 (01:17:46):
We yeah, we're doing whatever can be the deal on
this house that we're doing is the deal, right, it's
like and we did that very first thing, gotten a
crawl space and how to fix some stuff up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
Ear take care of that first, because it's none of
the rest of it's worth much. If if your cross
space is like way they say a foundation of a
house built on sand, yeah, it doesn't work out right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
All right, here's a question. Let's see, this is from
South Carolina. We want to stain our exterior brick and
we'd like to change the exterior color of our pellow
aluminum clad windows from white to darker color. Any advice,
so I would say staining the brick, I don't I

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think I don't know that a stain on brick is
the answer. I think you're going to have to bite
the bullet and paint it. Can you can you get
a decent status?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Yes? They do have Okay, all right, I don't know
if they ever come out the color you think it's
going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
So maybe well maybe it is. They kind of plan
to stain the brick. And the real question here is
can I change the color of my pellow aluminum clad windows.
The answer is yes, absolutely. You have to prep the
surface a little bit and then on metal paint. Right,
do you have one that you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Like, Uh, well, you could prime it with with a
gripper or a gripper or one two three is the
NZER one two three, And you know you could paint
glass or mirror with that stuff. Then it'll stick. So
that's what I would do. You clean them up, get
the oxidation off, prime them, and then paint them with
the color of your choice. But the only problem is
if you have grills between the glass. Can't do much

(01:19:26):
about that, so because they're usually the color of the
frame of the window. But if you have no grills
between the glass, you're pretty good. Or you know, if
I mean if they're surface mounted, obviously you can paint
them so right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Or if you're really really just losing your mind about that,
you can get the sash out, get the get the
glass out and put new glass with the right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Color color in or no grids or non exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, all right, we have got to rock and roll, folks.
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