The Home Improvement Show 9-6-25

Tune in here for this 9-5-25 episode of the Home Depot Home Improvement show on WBT with John Gordon and David Dovell.

On this edition of the program, John and Dave talk about the ins and outs of adding a roof over a deck on a brick veneer home. The conversation kicks off with a call from Steve, who’s planning a deck rebuild and wants to ensure proper installation of a roof structure. John and Dave discuss the challenges of attaching a ledger board directly to brick veneer, emphasizing the risks of damaging the brick and compromising structural integrity. They suggest building the roof as a freestanding structure, which avoids potential issues and meets code more reliably. Dave highlights the importance of understanding the air gap behind brick veneer and explains how improper attachment can cause failure. The duo also recommends consulting local building officials and possibly hiring an independent design engineer to ensure the project meets safety and code requirements. It’s another informative Saturday packed with practical, hands-on advice from two seasoned home improvement pros.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Home Depot Home Improvement Show with John and Dave
present upy try pro answering your home improvement questions every
Saturday on News Talk eleven ten and ninety nine three WBT.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, everybody, Welcome to the Home Deeper Home Improvement
Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good morning, David Doval. Happy Saturday, Happy Saturday. Another another
one in the books. I hope everybody's doing well. We're
ready to talk home improvement for the next couple of hours.
We're at seven oh four five seven oh eleven ten.
Seven oh four five seven eleven ten. Give us a

(00:43):
call you can. It's we've been kind of driving pretty
well with this cool text line also same number seven
four five seven oh eleven ten, but you can text
us on the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC,
so that's been kind of cool than that. And uh,
you can always go to Ask John and Dave dot com,

(01:05):
click on the questions button and send us a question
that way, or just go to questions at Ask John
and Dave dot com and David will make sure that
they get answered.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Thank you for that, David, You're welcome h Man.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Maybe now in retirement, I should be the one doing that.
I don't know. Don't get any ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Please, it's it's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
So well, that's scared. We appreciate it. It's this I'll tell
somebody this week. I still get lots folks from work
calling and just checking in on stuff, which is very good,
very cool. But I was saying, like, if you know,
if retirements supposed to be kick your you know, feed up,
chill a bit, I'm screwing something up. It's been it's
been just a while, I hag. I never did get it.

(01:47):
I was always a slow learner. But lots of good
stuff to talk about and and it's fun to do, uh,
to do the things that we talk about doing, right David,
You get to do it all the time, and it's
very thirrapeutic, right. It's a it's a much different world
to have a project and work on it and and

(02:08):
just get it done and for all your efforts to
see results, which is which is kind of cool. You
don't always get that in different other different professional scenarios.
So it's cool that way. We've already got a call
from Steve. Let's jump on and talk to him. Steve,
good morning, You're on the Whole Deep Homer Provetment Show
with John and Dave. How are you this morning?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Good?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
A quick question. I was going to rebuild my deck.
Actually a contractor is and I want to put a
roof over it. I have a brick brick venier at home,
and I was wondering, how does he catch the leisure
board uh, to the brick so it doesn't sail in
the future.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
David, There's a couple ways that I would think that through.
One of them is doing a ledger board. The other
is to kind of make it free standing when well,
we added a porch to the front of our home. Steve,
we actually designed it so that if the house was

(03:10):
taken away, the porch would still stand, and then we
tied the brick in with step flashing. Uh. David, what
are your thoughts and that you do that all day
every day?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, on a brick veneer, you have to remember there's
a little there's a little airspace between the framing of
the house, the sheathing and the brick, and so when
you when you when you, if you, there are ways
you can hang a ledger board, but I think they
would prefer as John said that it that it be
uh separate, And I think they're still doing it out there,

(03:43):
and I'm not really sure how these guys are doing it,
but you have to think if you if you pull
a if you get if you drill through the brick
and through your bandboard and put bolts, when you pull
that bandboard or the ledger to the house, what it'll
do is it'll it'll it could it could actually to
pull the brick in into that one inch air space
that's between the sheathing and that. So you're you're contractor

(04:07):
if he's building decks on a regular basis, he knows
what he has to do. I do know that the
porch roof that you're gonna tie on has to be
free standing. It it can, it can tie to the house,
but you can't count on it for the for for
the weight limit, so that they'll have to put posts
up not only on the outside corners but along against
the house as well. I don't know if you've talked

(04:30):
to him about that.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yet or not, but uh, you know him and this
is just preliminary. And he mentioned the leisure board, and
I was a little a little nervous about that I
thought better of free standing, as you gentleman spoke about earlier, right,
my best bet.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, I think that way you stay out of trouble.
But uh, but he should know, he should know what
he has to do.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
And of course if you're unsure, there's a if you're
in Mecklenburg County, if any county you can called, Mecklenburg
County happens to have a technical hotline h R Tech.
I think it's residential technical Assistance.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
So okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
And so you call down there. They also have a.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
I think they call it all decked Out and it's
a it's a whole it's a whole little pamphlet that
you can you can look through and it kind of
gives you some ideas on what they're after for for decks.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
The other thing you may want to think about, Steve
David is an id intelligent design engineer. Yes, is that
it so Steve? That would be just an engineering company
that could come out and give you a correct design
for what you're going to do. And it's not this
isn't like you know, millions of dollars of investment money.

(05:46):
It's it's it's it's just an independent uh company qualified
to give you a design and then your builder can
just work from that. Might mind save him or her
some uh some time? Also something to think about as
a resource as well.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
All Right, I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yep, thank you, thanks for the call. Steve. All right,
uh seven four five, seven eleven ten, that's that's the number.
That's what Steve did. Give us a call. We'll talk
about your questions. David, I think, well, I don't know.
You said you're not sure on the code piece, but
I just feel for what Steve is trying to do

(06:27):
freestanding or the ability to stand independently. I don't know.
It has always been my default. Just call it like
being a building weenie. But that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
No, I kind of agree because when you if you
understand what what you're bolting to. You know, it's different
if you bolt directly, take the siding off and bolt
it directly to the house, which is what you have
to do if the house is sided. If it's bricked,
you can't take the brick off there, so you have
to go through the brick. Now, it's different if you're

(06:59):
going through if it's a brick or block foundation that
there's there's and you're gonna you're gonna hang off of that,
but you know you're relying on the bolts, yeah, to
carry the load. And the problem with the problem with
hanging the ledger or bandboard off of a brick veneer
house is just what we talked about, is that you
could technically you could collapse the brick into the airspace

(07:23):
and and cause a problem. And still you're you know,
you don't have as especially you add the roof to it, right, right,
so you're adding weight so and and wind issues. Yeah, absolutely,
all right.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
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(08:21):
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All right, let's go, David. Lots of stuff to talk
about this week. John, Ye, go ahead quick, yep.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I just I did look up that pamphlet and you can, oh, yes,
you can bolt to brick veneer, but the bolt patterns different.
So Steve, if you're still listening, look that up. I
just did a search on building a deck in Mecklenburg
County and in this all deck, all decked out, pops
up and it gives you, you know, footing, It gives

(09:48):
you footing. Layout. It gives you attachments, joists, stairs, rails,
every everything you need. So I think the only piece
that's missing is you know, what are you going to
do with the load on that deck. That's where you
would have to have an engineer if you put a
roof on it, because you're going to have to have
a post on each corner. So you would want to

(10:11):
know what you can if you can attach it to
the house, and or do you need a post underneath
that deck, below the post that's going to be holding
up the roof. So I think your advice was good, John,
Maybe maybe talk with the engineer. Of course the builder
will do that if he feels like, yeah the need so.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Ye, all right, cool, all right, good deal. Thanks for
looking that up. Appreciate that we had one question here, David.
That was just just to look back at. It was
last week or the week before. It said, hey, you
guys talked about a correct dimmer for LED and what
what is that? And so it's go get a dimmer

(10:52):
that says it's good for LED. Well it'll say incandescent
or haligen or LED, and you want one that's good
for LED, just LEDs have a little I think the
right term is a driver that gets the diode to glow,
which is basically what provides the light, and LED I

(11:14):
think stands for light emitting diode, and so it needs
a certain amount of electricity to glow or to emit light,
and a dimmer will will cut power. The dimmer just
reads the bottom of the sine wave and turns the
power off and then back on very quickly at whatever

(11:35):
sixty hurts sixty thousand times a second or something like that.
So it gets in that sine wave somewhere and that
can cause the driver to malfunction or not work correctly.
So these the dimmers for LEDs. If you look at
it without the plate on it, it's got a little
black dial. I think you said the top left corner.
Can't remember a top right corner. But it's a little

(11:57):
black dial, and it's got a little slot for a
screwed driver. And you you put the dimmer all the
way up and then put your wires in, and then
you just dial that little small black dial down until
the lights go out, and then you pull it back
just to bring them back on. And now they're set.
It's now set for the minimum requirement for that driver.
And after that you can use the slide all day,

(12:19):
every day, just put the plate on and slide it
or twist it or turn it whatever, whichever style you
pick up. So it's a it's a nuance in my opinion,
worth worth it for for the all the other benefits
that come with l ED.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
So yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Are you using lutron?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Typically, yes, yeah, that's what that's what I used to.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Lutron has some amazing stuff out there, in fact, sometimes
in my tiny little brain too amazing. But the one
that I really like, I think it's called the Maestro
m A E. S t r O. And and it's
a little more than just a traditional dimmer, and you

(13:03):
can kind of preset some things, and then it's got
a remote so if there's a particular I used it
in our master bedroom in Atlanta, right, so we had
some indirect lighting and I just set it where I
wanted it and that way Barb could turn it on
turn it off. And she really only used the dimmer when,
you know, when she wanted to change that. So there's

(13:24):
some really cool stuff out there, But you gotta think
I think the reason it intimidates me is because you
really got to think about it. Not necessarily my strong suit,
but there's just a lot of cool technology and I
love I think lighting is one of the easiest things
you can do to change the look and feel and

(13:45):
ambiance of a room. Indirect lighting. I really like it
when things appear to emit light versus having hot spots
of you know, bright fixtures and stuff like that. So anyway,
I don't know how I got down that rat whole bit.
There we are, David. Here's one I think we've talked
about before, and it's it's not hard. It takes a

(14:07):
little bit of patience, and it says I want to
replace my luan doors, but and leave the jam so
just changing out the slab mm hmm, that's not difficult, right.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, it's I mean, it's it's a little bit of
work and you'll be you'll be good at it by
the time you finish.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
You but the last one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So, But the trick to it is what what what
we what we normally do is we'll take the door down,
strip the hardware off, and then clamp the new door.
If the other door was fitting properly and everything worked well,
then we would we would we would clamp those doors
together and just transfer the the the where the hinges

(14:48):
were and where the lock set goes. And then once
you do that, you basically just cut everything out and
and put your hardware on hang the door.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Do you do you route the the butt hinge?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
If I have a bunch of them, I do, and
I have a little jig for that and the bits
and all of that. But I also have it's called
a butt marker, and you just you you basically you
line that up and you hit it with a hammer
and that that cuts the lines in it, and then
you chisel out to those lines. So I've done it
both ways, but with with the router, if you just

(15:22):
have a few hinges to put in, it's not worth
satting up sometimes. But and and you know, I have
both tools so that they both work right another yet
another way you could do it. I don't know if
you've ever done this before. Before I ever had what
was a butt marker, we would screw the hinge to
the door without it being the cut out, and then

(15:43):
take a razor knife and keep tracing and cut down
in it, and then chisel out to the line that
we cut. You pull the hinge back off and and
right that gives you the perfect the perfect alignment as well,
just takes a little bit longer and you have to
be real careful.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, and there's a couple of stitches.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
And yeah, don't pull it off towards you.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, Well, the button marker has a little point on
it that gets you the right depth if you just
slip it over and score it. So it's I don't
know that it's very expensive, probably worthwhile investment, but certainly
do certainly doable. David, here's one. Yeah, I feel like
when David Drew was on with me about a month

(16:26):
or so ago, we were talking and he sent me
a picture. But it's the question is is a condensate
pump replacement a do it yourself job? And the answer
is yes, I mean, depending on I guess where it is.
But I think there's other questions that you would ask, right,

(16:46):
like why do you want to replace the Condon Saint pump?
Like usually if it fails, you've got water in the
bottom of the pan, the safety switch kicks everything off.
You call your HVAC guy and they get at it.
My question, I guess is like if you look inside
of a condensate pump that hasn't been taken care. It

(17:07):
looks I don't know, it looks like setting out of
a science fiction movie. The kind of funk that can
grow in there is pretty nasty. And David sent me
a picture of what they had blown out of a
condensate line at a house. But I think replacing it
is there. You can get a condensate pump and at

(17:30):
any home improvement store and you put the lines in
and it does what it's supposed to do. I think
our cautions would be number one, does it really need
replaced or can you just clean it? And are you
just like mortified by what's grown in there and so
you want to get rid of it. It can be cleaned.
And then the other piece I think David is just

(17:50):
cleaning the lines going into the condensate pump and then,
depending on how far it's got to pump it, make
sure that you're blowing out the lines going all the
way out the house.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Right right, yeah, Because a lot of times they'll set
the condensate pump, will will sit beside the the air
mover the furnace, and then they will they'll uh, they'll
there's a they have, it's called lift. So how much
will it how much will it pump up and lift,
But a lot of times they'll they'll pump it up
to the joist and then they'll they'll fasten it into

(18:23):
a PVC pipe and run the PVC pipe out and
they'll they'll have it so gravity will prevail. In other words,
it'll have fall on it like a sewer line to
go outside. And you're right, that line right there can
develop the same type of arterial plaque that you get
in the in the pump itself, so it's nasty. It

(18:45):
gets it could get pretty nasty.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
So yes, So so the answer is yes, just it
just you gotta be careful that you don't tamper with
David as you say the how it's going to exit
the house, and that those the rest of those lines
are cleared up, that you don't have a bigger, a
bigger problem. But then it can be done. It's not

(19:07):
hard to do. And you know, check out YouTube there's
probably a video or five or fifty on how that
can be done. We're going to take a break here,
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(19:30):
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Home Deep Home Improvement Show with John to Dave.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Seven oh four, five seven eleven ten, seven oh four
five seven oh eleven ten. Give us a call, give
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(20:16):
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(20:37):
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(21:00):
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But who's technical anyway, So that's it. That's it's the
endless summer thirty inch LP gas fireplace. All right, A
couple things here we had some texts. One we'll do
the easy one first, and from Gastonia says, aren't the

(21:21):
LED lights rated as dimmable? If they are? The answer
is yes. When you buy LED lights, do check for
two things. Actually, one, depending on what your application is
going to be, are they acceptable for damp or wet locations?
And number two are they dimmable? That as the evolution

(21:42):
of LED has progressed just about everything, be careful how
I say that, but most every LED bulb is now dimmable.
But you do have to check the labeling it to
make sure it is dimmable. Then if it says it's dimmable,
then you go back and do the things that David
and I talked about with an LED rated dimmer So

(22:05):
great question, and I appreciate the text on that, then
we've got in Belmont. I don't know, David, if you're
reading it or not. It looks like a kind of
a cluster, a paint job on a deck, And I
think the bottom line is things were mishandled up to

(22:29):
a point. Now he wants to fix it, and he's like,
my question is why did they do that? Because there
were connections, misfiring and brains and if I hire another painter,
we'll both decks and the steps have to be sanded
before they can restain everything. David, I don't know the situation.

(22:52):
If it was just painters stayed, you may be able
to get what is it called all out or deck out.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, that's the cleaner that'll remove the stain.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
But so I think if he's got paint in the equation, Man,
I don't know about that, it's going to have to
get If it's paint, yeah, if it's paint, then it's
gonna have to get sanded. And then real.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Paint stripper, an actual an actual stripper. I know that
one is. I don't know if one's any worse.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
On the other. You're right, You're right, It's just it's
what kind of headache do you want to have.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, you paint it down now you I have heard
of people renting a or highering a hardwood floor sander
to come in and sand, but that's dangerous too, because yeah,
you know, if the deck's uneven or whatever, you could
really cut away a lot of the wood. And depending
on how thick it is and how your fasteners are installed,

(23:57):
all that counters.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Here's a dumb question. Could you do the dry ice blasting?
Could you blast? Which you I don't know. I'm would
you probably tear it up pretty good, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I think that anything that you would you would you
would blast. You could do that. Supposedly there's some uh
some type of laser or infrared something that you can
burn the paint off with it, But again, what does
that equipment cost and how much would they charge to
do it? You know, you can almost take take the

(24:30):
deck boards off for that probably.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I was going to say one of the options, one
of the options, Cohen might be two to look at,
at least getting it more manageable by changing the deck
boards or flipping them over. If that's an option, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, and I hear that often, but most of the
time when a deck is put down, people choose the
best side of the board. Yeah, you're not supposed to
do that. You're supposed to do it with a growth
rings current right up. So you know, I think you
I think you just change it out, but you know,
you could experiment with some some uh some type of stripper.

(25:08):
There are some strippers out there. Remember John, we was
talking about soy joy soijal.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
And that was pretty pretty cool and it's still out there,
still available, but they have it's it's made from soybeans
and it's a stripper. That's that's uh pretty pretty uh
ecologically friendly. So I think you you could you could
look at that. So, not not having more information on
I think that's the best the best we can do

(25:33):
with that.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
All right, great, great questions. Thank you for that most
Cohen and uh all right seven four five five seven
four five seven ten, give us a call. Here's one.
Here's a question, Davids. We did the condens sate pump.
It says, oh my metal one of my metal return

(25:57):
ducks in the attic got crushed. Uh how do you
fix that? Just cut the section out and replace it.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, take it loose. You know if it's not
a long run. Take it loose from each end. If
it's long, like you said, John, you cut it.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Out, UH replace it with flex.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
You could, you could, you could. I don't think it
would cost too much resistance. You'd have to have a
tool to to uh crimp the crimp the ducts so
that you slide the flex duct over it, and then
you would then you would add your h zip tie
and mastic. It all has to be sealed up.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
The mastic part is the is the really the critical one.
You get the zip tie ice and tight, you can
do that, but sealing that nicely with us a mastic
is the final solution, right, right, but not but not
the end of the world. And if you have to
hire HVAC person to fix it, you're probably not going
to spend you know, thousands of dollars to get that done.

(27:01):
Should be should be a relatively easy fix. We got
to take a break or right, ask you know, how
how did it get crushed? But there's probably a lot
of reasons for that. All legit seven O four five,
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(27:50):
Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

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I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Seven O four five seven eleven ten, seven O four
five seven eleven ten. Uh, We're good to go. Let's
see your metal reduction. Okay, size matters before we let's
back up. We have a text from Craig and Belmont. Craig,
thank you for that using Thanks you for using the

(28:15):
WBT text line driven by Liberty Viewick GMC used to
working tool rental. He can say that a rent to
rent a floor sander to do a deck is not
good because the fasteners, so the screws. It's a great point.
It would just tear up the sandpaper, possibly the drum.
But there's Yeah. So as a general rule, I think

(28:37):
your costume was David. It's not heard of it, but
it's not it's not optimism. Yeah, hidden hangars. You could
get away with it, perhaps, but I think Craig offers
good guidance. Sarah exactly got to find a better way.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Exactly what we were saying is that you do it,
but you'd have to set all the heads of whatever
you're dealing with, and by the time you do that,
you can and then it's yeah, you're going to use
the paint stripper.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, and as a tool. Rental guy Craig is like, hey,
you hit one of those dead my equipment. There goes
my sander. Yeah, it's out of commission. So so good
good guidance. Craig appreciate the text. Does wire size matter
for low voltage? Yes?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, it actually it does for for length, right, I
mean I guess yes. Distance it's it's distance is the
is the main thing. What I was taught about, and
we've talked about this before, John, about doing outdoor lighting,
is they say to try to set the transformer in
the middle and then go left and right with your

(29:43):
with your wire, so you come off of it twice,
but you're you're shortening the length of the wire by
doing that. So yeah, and I think what you would
get is you would have brighter lights near the transformer,
and the further away you get the demmer they would get.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah. But that's so that's an other place though, where
I think LED has been such an amazing benefit, right,
because for with a three hundred watch transformer, you can
do all kinds of lights because those things the led
like run at three watts, seven watts, eleven watts and

(30:17):
still put out three hundred well at like five wats
or something. I think they put out three hundred and
fifty three hundred and sixty lumens, right, So yeah, but
but is so here's a here's a follow up question.
So if you if you know you're going to run
a long distance is can is it possible to oversize

(30:39):
a wire? So you can get low voltage wire in
fourteen gauge twelve gage I think you get can you
get twelve gas?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
You get twelve gage?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yes? Yeah, so is it possible to oversize it? So
if you use twelve gauge wire right out of the
blocks and ended up not needing it because of distance,
is any thing bad happened?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
No, It's just you can always oversize the wire. It's
just a device may tell you. You know, I don't
know that you would have that on on a transformer,
but you know, certain items tell you what the what
the what the fuse size has to be or or
they're referring to the breaker, but you would want to

(31:21):
know what the fu size is so you can't go
over So if it tells you that you need a
forty amp or a twenty ant breaker. You wouldn't use
a thirty ant breaker because it's over overfused and it
could be a problem that might not trip if there's
if there's an issue, so you want to stay within that.
But but no, I think you're fine. You can always

(31:42):
go up on the wire size. You just can't go up.
You can't be less if you have a twelve twenty amp,
you can't use a fourteen gauge wire. You have to
use a twelve gauge wire. But right, But I think
for our purposes for distance, it's kind of the same
thing with a drop cord. We talk about drop cords,

(32:02):
and there's a place for drop cords, and and there's
a lot of places you shouldn't use drop chords. But
if you're using power tools, which a lot of people
are all battery now, so you don't even have to
worry about it, uh you you we always I've always
used larger chords for if your circular saw, especially if
you're running any distance. So we would run a number

(32:23):
twelve drop cord or sometimes even a ten out and
then you could you could reduce down from there once
your distance was was was taken care of.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
But there you go.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It was funny. The other day went with a gentleman
to look at a He wanted me to come and
look at a boat house that they want to they
want to remodel, and that's what one of the things
we were talking about. And I said, well, one of
the things that's nice now is with the battery operated tools,
you don't have to worry about getting electrocuted. So there's

(32:57):
no chance you don't have to be worried about your
cords dangling or whatever as you work on this thing,
because you know, tie a rope to your tools though,
so in case you drop it in the water, you
can retrieve it.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Or get those locators so at least you know where
it is on the bottom of the lake. Not funny.
So the plumber was at our house, our fliphouse this week, right,
and he's running city from what he's converting from well
to city water. So he had to like punch through
the brick and the foundation and all this stuff to

(33:29):
everything was a Milwaukee cordless tool like those massive bits,
and just punched through it like it was nothing. Right,
It's pretty great. It's great technology. Hey, So here's the
job this is a John question. This just happened to
me that I haven't had a chance to look at it.
GFI outlets in the garage. My personal garage changed one

(33:52):
out last December because it was tripping on me when
I was doing something and everything was cool. Then last
weekend I went to turn my circuit. I fired up
my circular saw and I'm the same little circuit protected
by this CF. I tripped it instantly. Breakers fine, just
tripped trip the GFI that that I couldn't figure out.

(34:16):
I don't know whether that have to go like fixture
by fixture. I think there's one, two three, you know,
down line from the actual GFI outlet, but just tripped
for like, just turn on the circular saw.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
That is it is that new, brand new.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I haven't got one that had a little alarm on
it so I could it would beep at me if
it if it tripped, because it tripped last year and
I didn't it did nothing like I wouldn't have refrigerator
or anything on it. But but I didn't know it
was it was dead, So I don't know. Yeah, I'm
gonna have to go. I think I guess outlet by outlet,
check all the wires and stuff. I don't know, or
maybe I got to replace that CFI again, I just

(34:56):
got a bad one. I don't know. Anyway, I thought
that was weird.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Would probably do that first, and because your chances of
you getting two bad ones or open that one up.
But yeah, if if.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I could actually switch out a GFI that I know
is good for that one and try it and so works. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
sorry to do John work on the air, but no,
it was like, that's just weird.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, okay, do you have a ground touching a neutral
you know, in one of the other boxes? You know,
is it is it? Is it in a position? Is
it on an outside wall that heats up and then
it wire moves it? That happens, Yeah, you know, it happens.
It's it's weird and it's it's not often, but it
does happen, all right.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Just one of the lovely things about home ownership. We're
going back, so back to the original question. Yes, size
matters on a low voltage lighting as well. You cannot
oversize it. I would just remind you that it's made
of copper, and coppers not cheap. I did notice at
the home depot. I can say that because I used
to work for them and they have a good sense

(36:05):
of humor. They now have a mortgage guy at the
end of the copper like the Romex aisle. So you
can buy a roll of Romex, just mortgage, put a
second mortgage out of the house. Yikes, it's expensive. All right. Uh,
let's see, is there an easy way? How much time
do we have?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Not a lot, not a lot, but a couple of minutes?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Got it? So is there an easy way to find
the transformer for my doorbell? So they're talking about David,
that little coil looking thing that's, you know, usually in
a coat closet near the front entrance. I don't know
of an easy way go look at I think we
would both agree. Just go wireless. Yeah, just don't even bother.

(36:50):
Just put a wireless in that for sure.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I mean, take a look around for the transformer and
see if you can find it. I did one not
long ago. It was in the garage, okay, sometimes in
the attic, I don't know, on the on the ceiling
right all right.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
All right, ummm, we gotta get out of here for
a break. So we're gonna do that. The whole deep
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Speaker 1 (37:46):
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Speaker 2 (38:01):
Welcome back, everybody. It's hour number two of the Home
Deep Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Loving your calls and questions and texts this morning. Give
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by Liberty Buick GMC. Still lots of stuff to talk about, David.

Speaker 8 (38:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
We just ended the last segment of the last hour
with the question on the transformer for uh for a doorbell,
And you're a better man than me on so many fronts,
Like I'm like, I'm not looking just go wireless, but
but there is a little transformer that takes the regular
voltage down so that you know to bring the doorbell

(38:54):
and operate the you know, the little plunger and stuff
to make the things happen. So it can be in
an secure place. Usually there is a coat closet somewhere
near the front door and and that's where you'll find it.
But what you said, you found it in the garage.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, it happened to be. This one happened to be
in the garage because it was not in a closet, which,
like you say, which is is usually where it is.
But it was on the actually on the ceiling. So
it was up well, it was up. It was up
by the ceiling. It was real, it was real high
on the garage wall, and it was uh you know,
had a cover plate. Everything was you know, it was

(39:31):
put in properly. But as it turned out, it was
the the transform wasn't the problem. Uh, the electricity to
the transformer was the problem. Oh so they had a
bad GFI in the garage and it was actually off
of the gf I.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Okay, so okay, so many times that that's a faulty
GFI hidden you know, also in a remote play not
remote but in a different place can be a challenge.
All right, good deal. So so if if you want
to wimp out wireless is an option where you just wireless.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
A lot more options now too. With wireless you do bells.
Of course you could do the ring doorbells as well,
right that are that are that are wireless, So you
just have to change the batteries in that stuff. That's
that's the only downfall to it.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It is fact. That is a fact. So all right,
there you go. How much can I trim a door? Well? Uh,
memory buster, I think I would just think interior and
exterior door is the same way. You may actually have
bigger styles in an exterior door, but there's also complications.
I'm presuming that this is probably an interior door because

(40:50):
exterior doors anymore, like you got to go back to
houses built in the twenties and and sooner where you
where you start finding you know, odd things, And I'm
sure and will prove me wrong on that also, But
as a general rule, we're talking interior doors. I think
you can take a quarter of an inch off each
side the long Let's see is that the style or

(41:11):
the rail? That's the style? I guess, right, And then
I don't remember what you can take off the top
and the bottom. There's usually a.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Bigger about an inch on an interior door, you have
about an inch or inch and a quarter blocking around it.
So and you can take it further than that if
you need to. You just have to put something back
in the door, because they're they're they're they're hollow. Most
of them are hollow. Now, if it's a solid door,
doesn't matter, right, yes.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Correct, well at an exterior door. So if it's a
solid door like a panel door, yes, does not matter.
You can you can get too aggressive there and you
start to harm the integrity the door structurally, like you
start having issues with joint but not really a solid

(42:04):
core exterior door that has a particle board core, those
things that weighed seven and fifty two point six pounds.
You if you you can trim all day long and
it's still solid. The problem is you expose the particle
board and now that thing the minute you know somebody
sneezes in the same zip code, it's gone. Right. So

(42:26):
but but yeah, a solid core door, panel door of
the Rodyata pines and the pine doors like that, you
have a lot more latitude as far as what you
can what you can do to trim them down. Joe,
good morning, You're on the whole deep home Improvement Show
with John and Dave. How are you Lauren?

Speaker 9 (42:44):
Have had a had a leak in the roof exterior
wall came into the office area. We took the dry
wall off, all the insulation off, and we've got quite
a bit of mildew and some dry rot and the
not only the two by four is which I'm I'm
assuming I'm going to sister in new ones. But the

(43:05):
OSB on the outside is pretty pretty squishy, and I
got a lot of milk. New what do we you
guys talk about a spray, but I can't remember what
to put on that so that we kind of kill
the rod because I can't change out it's it's stock
all exterior. I can't change out the ou SB cedar shield,

(43:26):
cedar shield.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Okay, yeah, so you'll you'll use uh, you'll use something
to kill the kill the fungus. I don't know if
the cedar shield would do it or not. It's cedar oil,
but normally you would find something that will kill the
the fungus and then and then you'll we're big fans
of conchrobium because it smothers it so it can't it

(43:47):
can't grow anymore. And of course once you take away
the moisture. The fungus isn't going to grow anymore anyway.
It needs it needs some some moisture. But if you
put the cedar shield, it'll it'll push the moisture. You're
out of the wood and it won't allow to take
any more on. And therefore the fungus cannot cannot feed
even off of humidity that might be in the wall.

(44:08):
What was the stuff that's called conchrobium con crobium.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Okay, see yeah, c O N c R O b
I U M. Sounds like it should be on the
periodic table of the elements, but it's not.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
And well, all right, how do you spell it again?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
C O C O N c R O B I
U M. I hope you pulled over, sir. He's just
laughing at me.

Speaker 9 (44:52):
Okay, I appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
All right, Joe, thank you for your call. Yeah, that's
that's a handful that he's got right there.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, and that's a tough call because normally tough normally
you would you would have to go out and pull
the stucco off and replace the osb any studs. It
gets expensive and that's but yeah, that's why we have insurance,
so hopefully they would.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's see. We we're about thirty
seconds away from taking a break here, so we have
to okay, all right, Dave, You're on the whole deep
Homer proved so much on a Dave, how are you?

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Good morning guys.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Hey.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
Uh, you know, built the deck out back during COVIDI.
Most of the posts out of cedar and stuff and
the railings. But you know, I kind of cheaped out
on the decking and I used rough lumber from a lumberyard.
I didn't buy any it last and I used uh
someone in a quarter pine decking for the for the decking,

(45:56):
and I sealed it up real good.

Speaker 9 (45:58):
You know.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
It's I've been sealing it every year the last four
three years. And now I got a few boards at
a rotten now which I'm going to replace. I've seen
like every seal on online, but I just want is
there a product out there that I want and done
seal it product that I could use that would at

(46:19):
least keep me from re you know, re uh reapplying
every year.

Speaker 11 (46:26):
Uh not not not really, Dave, Dave, David Dobil and
I were just talking to Joe about the cedar shield,
which will will help with preservation, but it won't make
it like impervious to moisture, is shoes forever, I don't think, David.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Well, it's not forever. And it also doesn't add it'll
still gray out. So if you're okay with that and
you're not looking to preserve the color natural color of
the wood, now the sun, the sun grays it out.
It's what happens. But the cedar shield is is a

(47:05):
it's a stabilizer. So what it does is it doesn't
allow it to take moisture on for many many years.
So whatever you put on top of it, after it dries,
you have to wait seventy two hours for that product
to dry. Then you can apply a colored seiler or stain.
It will last a little bit longer. But if it's
if it's in all day sun, there's not much out

(47:26):
there that will that will keep that from happening. You know,
it's gonna where the sealer is gonna go away what
you put on there because of the sun, it's gonna
just cook it off of there eventually. There. I do
hear commercials once in a while about some of these
sealers that they say that are a lifetime sealer. But
I don't. You know, I don't have any people for

(47:48):
evidence of that stuff, so I don't.

Speaker 10 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, they they want to come apply it, and
I even or give me. I want to do with
myself because that's just.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
The way I roll.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
But uh yeah, but they parsian arm.

Speaker 10 (48:00):
And a leg and I don't necessarily clean them.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So you're a skeptic. All right.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
Well, I'm just putting maybe a product that that I
might not have to do it every year every other year.
You know, I could do that, but it just seems
like I'm having to reseal the uh every year.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I'll tell you what I found that that holds up
that you can get away with it with with less,
with less maintenance, and less prep. The next time is
the cab. It's solid color stain. If you're okay with that,
that's a deck stain, and it is solid so it's
kind of like a paint but you don't see the grain,
but it does. It does a really nice job. It

(48:42):
holds up and will hold up for several years. And
then when it's.

Speaker 10 (48:46):
Like that thick, kind of grainy looking pain I've seen
on some days.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
No, no, no, no, that's like deck over or yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
That's that's that's that's a right that just gets you.
That's it advised you a little time before you replace
the deck.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
And what was the name of that product, Cabins c
a bot And it's a solid solid stain.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Cool cool.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
All right, all right, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Guess thanks, Dave, have a great one. Be safe. Seven
O four five seven eleven ten. That's the number for
a call for a text. We'll talk when we return
to the Whole Depot Home Improvement Show with John and Dave.

(49:42):
Welcome back, miss the Home Deep Home Improvement Show with
John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Give us a call with seven O four five seven
eleven ten. Let's talk to John. John.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I'm a Home Deep hoprovement show with John and Dave.
How are you?

Speaker 12 (49:59):
Good morning. I have an existing patio that is fifteen
deep by twenty wide by ten feet tall. The middle
of the twenty foot length is separated by a six
by six decorative supporting post. I want to glass these

(50:20):
three walls in what would be the most economical way
to do it. Patio doors a combination of patio doors
and windows.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
What would you suggest and you have it already has
a roof over it.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
Yes, sir, and it's already wired. All I need are
three glass walls or some type of glass enclosure.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Well, I mean there's there's several ways to do it,
and you know, patio doors are are are kind of
an inexpensive way to do it because you get the
best of both worlds. You can close it in, but
you still will have a screen. Is this up off
the ground?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Or it is?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Okay, so you'd have to put some type of guard
on those screens if you use patio doors. Otherwise, you
could buy big like slider windows, right John, You could
get large slider windows and would be kind of the
same thing. And then of course you could go to
all double hung windows, or you could use casement windows.

(51:23):
You know when you get into that, the price goes up.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:28):
Yeah, And I was trying to keep the price down
around twelve to fifteen thousand if I could, because to me,
it seems like if you go in and install let's
say a thirty six inch high knee wall, you're just
ramming it in the wood. And then you have your
windows made correct and slide them in. But everybody's talking

(51:48):
twenty five to thirty five. One guy even quoted forty
eight thousand dollars, and I just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, I don't. So I don't know the exact numbers, John,
but I was on the same wavelength as you, And
that you may want to choose to put framing per
square foot is probably depending I guess on what you do.
Should be less expensive than a decent window per square foot,
So maybe you want and then David, I think that
also solves the problem the height issue, right, so he

(52:15):
doesn't have code concerns with you know, falling out of
the off the patio, and and that that should reduce
the price of you know, of the overall project. I
think the real factor there is is what kind of
window are you choosing. I'm kind of inclined to go
with David and get a slider. Are you going to

(52:38):
condition this space?

Speaker 6 (52:41):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (52:42):
Well, it won't need it. But because of the way
the house is built, Okay, there's a large window and
a door that can be used as a pass through area.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Uh so you can close it off, yes, sir, okay, okay, yeah, caution,
just a quick caution. I would just say, be aware
of humidity in that room. So depending on what everything's
made out of and which you put in there, you
know it can with it being open now, it can.

(53:12):
It can. It may take on dampness, but it can
dry out. If it gets damp and you have it
all closed up, all all all for a long periods
of time, you could you could develop a mold issue
in there.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So, yes, so I.

Speaker 12 (53:25):
Think I've thought about going but with patio doors so
that if I wanted to open them all, I could
always have a breeze through there.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Sure, and it's a great it's a great way to
make a four seasons room. You just would have to
have some type of guard over the screens that someone
couldn't fall through. So usually they would use some type
of steel, wrought iron, or some type of guard so
you could still see through it, because the screens are

(53:53):
not considered a legitimate guard to keep someone from falling
falling through and falling out. You follow what I'm saying, sir, Okay, yes, sir,
I understand. So just all right, gentlemen, Well one other.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Question and I'll let you go. I've seen patio doors
that were vinyl and fairly nice looking, apparently well made
doors for as little as five to six hundred dollars,
and I'll say others that would go up to quite
a few thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
What's the difference, so all manner of things. So one
is what it's made of. The other is some of
the more expensive ones john are built with a frame
that you can open up, take replace the glass. The
other thing that makes one more expensive than the other
is the hardware, the quality of hardware used for the rollers.

(54:42):
And then you'll also find in the very expensive one,
like a three point locking system, so when you close
the door or pull the latch up three it connects
in three different points in the jam and creates an
air tight seals. So you get a much more You're
getting a higher r value for the glass, you're getting
to hire our value for the unit, You're getting to

(55:03):
higher air infiltration rating. All those things are kind of
irrelevant for what you want to do. You just don't
need to spend that kind of money in the application
that you have.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, those four those five hundred dollars doors would be fine,
and then you can spend a little extra money for
a decorative guard for the outside. But you need to
come up with a plan for that and how you're
going to fasten it and all of that, because those
the cheaper doors are just what they are, their hollow
vinyl doors, and the more expensive ones are usually a

(55:35):
clad door, are they not, John.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, they're a wooden frame and they're very good from
a maintenance and long term perspective. But I don't think
you need to go that route, John, for what you're doing.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
Yes, gentlemen, thank you so much. Having let's day and
a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Thank you John, you as well. Hi, let's see where
we are here checking. We're good, We're good. Oh, here
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(56:11):
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(56:34):
here's a here's here's one of those questions we never
want to answer. How much will it cost me to
re key all the locks in my house? Uh, if
you have an average house, it'll be about the average amount.
Tough call. I think I know where they're trying to

(56:56):
get though. A couple of things to think about. You
can get a locksmith out. In fact, I just had
the locksmith out, and I want to say it, it
was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of seventy dollars per
lock that I had done, So I don't know if

(57:19):
that's a good and probably somewhere in there there's a
there's a cost of coming out to the house. Right,
So if you have more locks, the cost per lock
actually goes down because you're not paying a travel charge
on each of them. The other thing I might consider you,
I mean, get an estimate, ask somebody to do that
that people should be able to do that for you.
I think, And then consider David. I I when we

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do all these different houses, I use the Quickset smart key,
so that even if you sold the house, you can
give all that that stuff to the to the new
owner and they can rea key with another quickset key
with its super simple it's like a two step thing.
I need lock and now it costs you maybe seventy
minutes to rekeyp the house versus seventy dollars a lock.

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So I don't know that number unless you do, David.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
But no, don't know. Right now we get break.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, let's do that. Seven four five seven eleven ten.
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All right, U, David David David. Can I replace vinyl
windows on a house that has a brick veneer? I
think they're thinking that typically a vinyl window has a
nailing flange, and can you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
You can? You just have to use the proper window.
You and I've had this discussion before that. Yeah, there's
folks out there that are installing vinyl replacement windows like
Prime almost right right, that are designed. Those are designed
to go into an existing wood window frame. So you

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take the sashes out and the old frame was left
and those slide into the frame. These guys are measuring
these things, sticking them in holes where your new construction
windows were, and they're not waterproof. It's not it's not
a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
So I know you replaced your windows in your in
your Atlanta house.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, but but it was I would I think that.
I think what this person is thinking about. It's just
that it's a vinyl and they're thinking, Okay, if you
do replacement windows, what what do I attach it to?
And and in Atlanta, I just went all the way down.
I didn't bother with a replacement window because the installation

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of the windows themselves was so poor that I had
huge air infiltration issues all around the window, not just
with the unit itself. Right, right, So you took I
took the frame and everything out, reflashed everything right and
then and so basically I took a window apart and
then reassembled it, you know, closed up the opening correctly,

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and then reassembled the window in the opening. And just
like our conversation earlier in the show about you know,
replacing Luwan doors, by the time I got to like
the fifteenth or sixteenth window, I was pretty good at it.
But it took a minute. And it's but but you
can you just I think it's that's not necessarily an

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average do it yourself project. But David, to your point,
I think you want to call a quality or a
trusted remodeling or window replacement company to come out and
and have them walk you through exactly what they're going
to do so that you're satisfied you're getting a replacement
window installed correctly, not a not a replacement window installed

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like it's a prime window right right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Well, yeah, and you have to think about this because
on a brick house we talked about this earlier with
the with the there's an air space between the brick
and the sheathing of the house. So if you just
stick anything in there and it's not flashed, and it's hard,
it's it's a it's a tough situation to try to
get that. Any water that may run down behind the

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back of the brick of the sheathing of the house,
if it comes down on the lentil or behind the
lentil on top of that window, where's it going to go?
How are you going to handle that? What are you
gonna do with that water? If you don't get it,
If you don't if you don't drag that out with flashing,
that water is going to make its way into the
interior of the house somewhere somehow, And most of the

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time it's it's like the other gentlemen that called that
had the water leak at the roof. Then you start
opening things up and then you find out that the
sheathing's wet and rot and the studs you have mold,
you have mildew rot. So it's it's not to be
taken lightly. It needs to it needs to be thought out,

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and the proper installation needs to be be taken care of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, now we we had it in this fliphouse and
we're doing it was on a door, right, they did
not seal the door correctly, and so when we pulled
everything out, water had gotten down and we had to
go and pull out the uh you know, the band
joye and and and replace all that stuff. And that
that's not to do with yourself job. That's you know,
let's get an engineer guy and a and a contractor

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out there to do this. So it's a it's a
you save, it's a it's a little bit like our
earlier caller on the deck, right, you can it's we've
been saying this forever. It's the cost of acquisition versus
the cost of ownership, right, So you can save a
little bit of money on the front end, but incorrectly saved,
you're gonna end up spending a lot more to to
get it right or to just maintain it. So but

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the answer is yeah, just a brick veneer will accommodate
replacement windows. You just got to get it done correctly.
Uh no, no, no, I this is this is like
I don't even know if I should ask to go
through this. This this question is like, well, let's talk
to Diane first. She wants to talk off there, so
we'll we'll wait till the break and David, I'll let

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you catch up with her. This one. This this is
uh a comment. I'll just lay it out there and
maybe we talk. You can talk to Day off the air.
Maybe we can address it when we come back from
a break. But I need I think I need water
treatment at my home. But I dread the high pressure
sales pitch. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I think the first thing is you get to send
your water off and get it tested tested. Okay, that
way you know what you're treating it for, because and
also you already will know what you're dealing with before
you get someone out. It's it's kind of like John,
it's kind of like how we talk about when you
get ready to do a project in your house, if

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you have all your specs that have everything right laid
out ahead of time, then you can bid that to
different contractors because everybody's bidden on the same thing. So
if you know what's wrong with the water, then you
know exactly what they Then you know exactly what each
person is bidding on, and they're not telling you that
you're gonna die next week because of the water or something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah. Yeah, And the price is gonna go up one
thousand dollars an hour if you don't sign right now.
All right, let's let's slide away for our break here
and uh and then let you get Diane and we'll
see if there's something we should chat about once we
get back from our break. Folks, this is the Home
Deep of Home Improvement Show with John and Dave. We're

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gonna take a little break here and we'll be back
to answer your home improvement questions when we return to
the Home Deep Homer Provement Show with Town to Day.

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Welcome back. It's the Home Deep All the Improvement Show
with John and Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I'm John Gordon, I'm Dave Doval, and we are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
In the final segment into the show seven o four five,
seven eleven ten, David, did you get the collar off
the air?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Are we Diane? Yeah, we're good. She's just having an
issue with the window. One of those things. She had
a piece of glass that was not what she was expecting,
and and so I think we maybe have her a solution.
She's just she's going to get a price on getting
the glass replaced from a window and and or she's
going to get a price to have it tinted, because

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when they replaced this window she did she got some
standard glass or something, and anyway, it wasn't what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
She was expecting. Squat up good, He's good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
And Larry wants to talk about a wheelbarrow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Larry, good morning here on the whole deep home approving.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Yes today, are you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
I enjoy your show. I've got some carriage bowls. I've
got a plastic bowl on my wheelbar and I'm replacing
the wooden handles. I'm having trouble with those carriage boats
turning on me. Do you think you have a solution
that I could try to secure that carriage boat a
little more in order to tighten the bolts up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Then well, what I've done I've done in the past
is I've taken a grinder and I grind a slot
in the in the bolt and then use a big
and then hold it with a big screwdriver.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Uh huh, okay, Well, being it is that plastic bowl,
I didn't have any trouble years ago when I put
it together, it went together very well. But now I'm
having trouble keeping that carriage bolt from spinning on me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
But well, yeah, the other thing you can do is
when the bolt goes through the bottom of the wood,
once the nut and the washer is on there, you
could put a pair of vice gripts on the bolt
and tighten up the nut. You can hold it from
spread well, knowing that you're not ever you're not ever
going to probably get the nut off again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
Well, well, it's it's got a real type fit because
it sits down in the bowl of the barrow. And
so I just thought maybe y'all come up a little
solution that sounds like a good idea. Though I appreciate
you having gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
You're welcome. Just use a thin grinder blade on.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
That, okay, okay, well, thank you they thank you. I'll
have a good day, enjoy you show thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Trevele too would work for that. David. Also, I'm John
and Blank. I believe you can actually get a version
of a carriage bolt that has a grip on the
back of it. It's designed just from precisely the situation
that Larry has.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Well, they make a washer too that you drive. But
I think what it is. It goes underneath the carriage bolt,
so it carries the square, but it's got spikes right exactly.
But the problem is is that the shoulders of the
bottom of the carriage bolt tor have rounded out. The
plastic is what happened was tightened. But you can put

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longer bolts in it and let them stick through the wood,
put your nut washer on it, and then grip a
hold of the bolt with with vice grips, and then
you can tighten the nut down, but you probably won't
ever get it off. Well you could, you can know
you could hacksaw take a hacks cut the bolt.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Or a flex tool cut it and then yeah that's
true though the nut back down again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
But if you do, you won't get them off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah that's true. All right, let's see. Uh oh we
were talking about I don't know the water treatment, So
just one bit of advice, I think, for what it's worth,
you're with the water treatment piece, do do like anything else,
try to get as much information as you can about

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the situation that you're dealing with, and then eliminate I
think you can eliminate a certain amount of I don't know,
for want of a better term, hyperbole or or like
the pressure sales. I get from a sales perspective that
in some of those scenarios, the salespeople the companies know
that they've got one shot to close the deal. And
if they don't, you know that people make those decisions

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in a certain amount of time, and you got to
take a customer off the market, so to speak. But
folks take time to decide, Uh, get all the information
together and then if if there's something about the price
that's going to change, if you don't sign right now
at your kitchen table, then then there's something that feels

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like less than forth right there. So I don't think
I would just get pressured into doing something that you
weren't a hundred percent comfortable in doing, or you didn't
have all the necessary information that you wanted to have.
It's uh take your time and get your get your
ducks in a row. So good questions and good things
to look up. I need to know the backset size

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for a lock set. How do I figure that out?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Well, from the edge of the door to the center
of the locks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Center of the hole, right, Yeah, and then when you
when you buy a locks and it'll it'll tell you
it's one in three eighths or one and three quarters
or two and three eighths or two and three quarters
I think are the two sizes. And most of the time, David,
the manufacturers now have set the back sets up so
that you can you can accommodate either one without specifically,

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you don't have to go buy specifically a two and
three eighths or a two and three quarter. Two and
three eighths, and I think is the most common. And
that's but there's an interior door, right, and then on
the xterior you're like two and three quarter. But you
can there's usually a way to adjust that backset either
how it clicks into the frame or to the or

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your spindle. And so you can get either size out
of out of a backset with no trouble. So that's
not that's not a big issue or a big challenge.
But that's what it is. Is from the edge of
the door to the to the center of the hole,
and that's it. That's nothing complicated about that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
It's pretty simple.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Um, Can I put select redwood oak three quarter inch
thick on a slab? I feel like we've answered this
question before.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yes, if you you can coat that slab, and you can,
you can coat it with a vapor retarder. You have
to make sure there's no moisture drive. That's the problem.
So and I have seen it glued down, and it's
usually not three quarter it's usually three eighths. But the

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nice thing about three quarters you can sand it, come
back and say sand it multiple times. So if you
ensure that no water is pushing through that slab, then
you can glue it down. It's tough. It's a tough
deal because you have to drive those boards together, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Normally what they do is they put down what are
called sleepers, So they fasten two by fours down sixteen
inches or twelve inches on center treated lumber to the
slab and then and then they run the boards the
hardwood perpendicular and it's nailed to to the sleepers. I've
also seen that done with plywood. Right, both are scary.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, there's yeah. Although I've used so many tapcons in
the last month, you know they're pretty great. But no
doubt that's I mean, I'm thinking that's the way you
end up going with the sleeper. I don't think I
would use a ram set or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
No, well, we always use blue and tap cons, so
so that holds those boards to the slab.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
So just one more second on that. Then you said,
you know you could put three quarter inch down because
it's it's it's easier to resurface. Would you recommend the
three eighths versus the three quarter?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I mean, I think you could put the thing with
the engineered floors as it's applywood back, so it's a
little bit different, it's a little more stable. It's just
the differences. You can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I got it, all right, all right, can't do it.
Can't stand it. We got to be gone, folks. We
really appreciate all the calls, all the great texts. Each
week as we wrap up our show, we like to
remind you that we think the most important count of
home improvement you can make is the one that makes
your home a happier place to live in. Don't forget
to work on that project this week, and we'll see
you next week on The Home Deep All home improvement

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