December 1, 2025 • 47 mins
Welcome back to HTY! On this episode, I'm joined again by producer Blake to go through the latest in pop culture at the moment and give our hot takes. Between the backlash of the TikTok awards, the under 16's social media ban PLUS pretty privilege on Big Brother.. we had LOTS to talk about. Hope you enjoy and we can't wait to do this again xx
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I really don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
But I'll argue with n for you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Thanks Kleen.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hi everyone, Happy Tuesday, and welcome back. Too hotter than yesterday.
We're getting into some piping hot tea today. We've got
Blake still here giving his little two cents because.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's always important.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey divas, Hey divers, you have woken me up this morning,
Like this is the vibe.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I am a morning person. I know, hit me, hit
me at two thirty three o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I have this thing at like two thirty three where
I go like non verbal and I just need like
thirty minutes to myself, just scroll on my phone.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's just like, don't speak to me. I need to
like recharge.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm like a Tesla on battery like I need it,
and then I'll like recharge at like eight thirty and
I'm like on go like between like two thirty and
seven pm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I'm the worst.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You it's giving cyborg. But that is not like the
routine that'd be on you just shut down at night though.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
No, oh my god, my brain comes alive at night.
I have like so many unfinished notes pages because I'm
just like my brain whizzes, and then once I wake
up in the morning, I'm like, let's go, go, go, go, go, go, go,
go go go, Like I cannot relax in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I can never have a slow morning.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Like I'm not like, oh, Sunday, as soon as I
wake up, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Go boom, like I've been I've been on charge for
eight hours. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What's news this week? I actually feel like you've had
a quiet one, Like I haven't seen much of you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, I've really taken a step back on social media
this week. Yeah, I had a bit of a breakdown
last week on social media about like my mental health
and stuff like that, and I just like haven't found
the excitement to like get dressed, get ready, like when
I know I have something on, I really am like
good at pulling myself out. But I haven't had anything
(01:58):
really on this week, which I'm glad that I like
forced myself to stop, because sometimes I'm just I'm very
good at distracting myself from my problems. But this week
I've just like mentally taken it slow, which is like
not good in social media form. But I just haven't
had any motivation to like film and like get ready
and make myself look pretty. But I have a very
(02:21):
big week next week, so I'm like really charging my battery, ye, trying.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
To get onto it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I feel like this is like the challenging patch for you. Yes,
I knew you're doing this, flew home booked yourself silly,
and now I think this is a time where you
actually have to kind of entertain yourself a little bit
and make your own type of busy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, and when my I'm very good at making myself busy,
but my busy is like going to the gym and
doing stuff for like myself and my health and stuff
like that. So like you guys don't want to see that,
Like you don't want to see my everyday life. And
I'm again, I'm not saying social media is hard. Social
media isn't hard, but to always be on and to
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always have your best foot forward and putting your best
self forward. Networking, you speak to and you meet a
lot of strangers in your everyday life, like phenomal people
who have a nine to five Monday to Friday.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Your job is probably a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
More straining than mine, not even questioning that, but you
probably see the same people every day you go into
the office. You're sitting around the same coworkers, you have
your same office, you have the same desk, and you
are in like that routine. But events and then gifting
suites and everything like that, you're meeting constant different people
every single day. So retaining that and then like putting
(03:35):
your best foot forward sometimes is straining. It's not hard,
it's straining and it's tiring. It's like always being on
and always making sure you're putting your best foot forward
is like a lot, and I'm one to overload that.
So then I'll have like a blip of the system,
like a couple days in the month where I'm like,
you know what, no one needs to see my face,
(03:57):
no one needs to talk to me. You don't want
to see me. And because I'm struggling with my mental
health at the moment, I'm like, I don't want to
put that version of myself out there. So I'm really
like retracting. But it's going to come out in December again.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, it's hard to even know. I want advice to
give you because like I loved your video, but I
don't want you having the post out every day, and
I hate that you're feeling this way, but it's also
so great to take people on that journey. But I
think you are so so generous, So like, I like
that you're switching off a bit nice. I've never known
you for it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Really switch off, but like, yeah, I think coming towards it.
I think it's also the weather. I just have no
motivation to do, which is so annoying, but like I'm
excited because I'm like today I have the podcast and.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's kind of it at the moment.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, the weather was nicess.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I hate talking about the weather, like it's the lowest
chance it's improved my mental health.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it's so like I'm so weather dependent, Like I'm
like solo charged.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Watch your plans for the rest of the year. I
feel like we haven't even been through that either.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I have such a busy the rest of the year,
and I think that's why I'm like, this is my
last week before like Christmas break, because like I don't
really get a Christmas break, because yeah I do. Actually
that's a big fat fucking life. Sorry, justled straight to
all your faces. But I go to Sydney next week
for a week, I have like a lot of events
up there, which is making me very anxious. And then
(05:20):
I come back, I have, like normally you have like
the months of when you do social media, you have
like certain contracts and stuff that you need to fulfill,
and then you have the whole month to do that.
But because a lot of people finish on the nineteenth,
I have to then get all that stuff done to
them by the nineteenth. So normally I have another like
two weeks to fulfill it. But because I've been Sydney
all week and then I'll have all of that and
(05:42):
the Christmas parties and everything like that events, I think
I've got an event on every night wrapping up the
ear year, like end of your meetings and financial things
like going into twenty twenty six. And because everyone goes
on break on the nineteenth and then they come back
on like the fiar God so good to everyone schedule,
then we go straight into the Australian Open. So I'm
(06:03):
planning January work now because we won't have communication for
most of December, so I'm planning December and January now.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So yeah, a lot of forward planning, a lot of meetings,
a lot of end of year stuff, going out for
lunch with like a lot of brands, take you out
for lunch to thank you for the year, because you'll
have like six or twelve month partnerships and then that's
all wrapped up in December, so they like like to
thank you, You like to thank them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Just a little meetings, really such a business.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Woman, a busy girl.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And then like a lot of friend time at the
end of December, intentional time with friends.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Family.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's the time that my whole family get back together
because my brother obviously lives in the US, so we're
all migreat down to my beach house from like the
twentieth onwards.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So cute, so cute.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But I have like my housemates spending Christmas with us
this year, Nelly, my old housemates spending.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Chris with us a second year in a row. Yeah,
that was so sweet last time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I know. But now I've got both of them.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I've got like my two besties, which I love because
I'm the youngest cousin and we don't really spend time
with my mom's side and I'm the youngest cousin. But
they all now have kids and stuff, so like the
kind and our family is huge, so like we all
kind of do our own separate Christmases now and it's
so fun because like now I like we call ours
the Orphan Christmas and I'm like, everyone, come, everyone come,
(07:26):
Like I love spending Christmas because now I'm like I'm older.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, so it's so much fun. I'm excited we're to
say being older. Yeah, I know, but that's so cute
being like I don't know about you, but like I
do know Christmas sometimes I want to break for my families,
being able to jump between friends as well, and I
was kind of hosting them in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, and yeah, because Lily my housemate, you guys know her.
She's from the Gold Coast and she's an only child,
so her parents are coming and spending Christmas with.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Us, Are you kidding? Yeah, that's adorable because.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's normally just the three of them.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And I'm like, and then, yeah, I don't get to
see my brother often because he's from the US, and
then my other brother leaves down at the morning to Peninsula,
so I don't get to see him much at all.
Like I haven't seen him since I moved to London,
like went to London.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, he doesn't make a lot of effort with me. Patrick,
come and see your little sister. Huh. Could you always
call me when something's wrong and you want something to
be fixed? But he doesn't make effort with me. But
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So I'm like, I love my family, but like two
weeks of the year spending every day with them, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They're a lot, It's it's a testing time.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We're five extroverts in one yes, five personality, big personalities and.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Being used to having your own spaces. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's like I am looking forward to it, but like
I always get a little scared every year, Like I'm
very social, but I will need an hour each day
kind of similar to you where I just lock myself
in a room's like silence.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Christmas is such a touchy subject for everyone. Trust me,
I've had the worst Christmas is. Christmas is always like
I'm a very big grinch. I've really come out of
my shell recently and started to enjoy Christmas, but I've
had a lot of trauma around Christmas. So now the
fact that like my family is all under one roof is.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Sometimes it causes a lot of PTSD, but I've worked
through that now, thank god. But yeah, it was always
a really hard time for a year for me. So
I always like sympathize with people, and it's always glamorized
on social media. So like if you don't have a
good Christmas and you're like dreading it, so many.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
People are us as well.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Like it's a very very hard time of year, and
it's very very big for comparison on social media. But like,
if you don't have a big, happy, connected united family
with so many Christmas presents under the Christmas tree, that's normal.
No one's going and flaunting that on social media, like
everyone's going and flauncing the fucking seafood spread and everyone
like all dressed up. If you don't have that type
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of Christmas as well, that's very normal.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, it's such a good point. I remember, like in
high school, I think feeling really inadequate around Christmas time,
Like I've never had a typical family kind of system,
and obviously that's all you see on the lane and
I've kind of got it back in a way in
my later years. It doesn't look how I thought it
would be, but it just makes it ten times more special.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, exactly, it got there. You appreciate it now. Yeah,
I'm the same.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I'm like, yeah, we have like a very interesting dynamic.
I wish I could talk to you guys about it,
but it's just really not my place. Like I wish
one day my family would come on and spill the beans.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But yeah, maybe one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But yeah, for a very very long time with my childhood,
I did not have a united Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It was very very interesting Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And because you were young in your head, you'll probably like,
I'm never going to get there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh I never ever thought I didn't have a normal
Christmas until twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
One, yes, kind of not long ago.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I think I've had three normal Christmases. Yeah, actually
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
COVID in between that, by the way. Yeah, so like
not a funeral.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, anyway, on the lightest topic, we are doing pop
culture breakdowns because I love this stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So I love it. So we are just going to
dive right in. Do you want to tell me? And
you bring up the.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Topic I was thinking, so I just don't know which order,
but me think with your audience through TikTok Girlie, the
TikTok awards were on. I was speaking just before about
this on my algorithm. I'm not saying much, so I'm like,
was it uneventful? Whereas you've said, you've seen a lot
of backlash. I'd love to get into it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, everyone was damning me, being like, why aren't you
at the TikTok Awards?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh have anxiety? That seems like hell to me.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I obviously love TikTok, everything that TikTok's given me, the
life that it's given me. I'm so grateful for that platform.
Do I think TikTok cards are unnecessary? Not really personal opinion.
I don't think it's all that important. I think I
love that it brings people together, but I also think
it creates a massive divide in the TikTok industry. And
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I just don't think Australia is there yet. I don't
think it really has the hit that other countries can do.
And I'm just too much of an anxious person. Being
in a room.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Full of creators gives me so.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Much anxiety that I was like, you know what, I
don't need to be there. I don't think i'll probably
ever go never say never. But I just don't think
it's really something that I need to go to.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I feel in the past years it's been harder
to kind of see what goes on in the room,
but mainstream media are really on top of it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yes, I think this year the coverage of it was
really really good. Before I hadn't really really seen that.
I'd only ever seen like little clips here and there.
I did love the coverage, the questions that people were
asking in the media wall, but the backlash has been insane. First, like,
the first thing that I saw is no one could
leave the room to get food or drinks the whole
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time that the show was going on.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I think they had to pay for food and drinks.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yes, which is interesting, Yeah, weird.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm like, I don't have a total opinion about that, Like,
I think it's fine to pay for I think there
should have been something.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I think you should they should have at least had
like a bottle of water at the seat. Like the
fact that two and a half hours are sitting there
and you're not even like you can't even get water,
You can't leave to go get water.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Isn't that like a oh and s like issue?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, a bit of a problem.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, Like you should like what if someone was about
to faint? Yeah, you know what I mean. And I
think those environments are so high stress and hope so
highly and yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And I don't know why I know this, but I
think it was like thirty six to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Into screens that day storming.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So it was human high stress environment, high anxious environment,
A lot of people, a lot of people shuffling through.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Water should be offered.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, someone's going their face, yeah, pretty much guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So then the second thing was is that the media
wall was upstairs for all the creators that were being nominated,
and then there was a TikTok pluck or something downstairs
where people could get a photo in front of like
a media wall, but there was like a line if
you had like a GA ticket or you were just invited.
There was a line to get a photo in front
of that tiktop ballad or something for like over an hour.
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So a lot of people ended up skipping it. But
then they went upstairs to go get in front of
the media wall, where you saw like a lot of
people being questioned, like the nominees were getting photos and
everything like that, and there was a massive, massive uproar
and there is a massive uproll online about the discrimination
that a lot of people of color have experience there.
Like I don't quite know their names exactly, so I
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apologize I can't really say their names. But a lot
of them came up saying that they went up to
the media wall and one of them was even a
nominee as a Beauty Creator of the Year, and the
photographers didn't want to get a photo with her.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They told her to move along.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They told her to not like, oh you're not like
like you're not part of the media things. We don't
want you here. Like the discrimination that a lot of
people felt at the TikTok Awards was very very strong
this year. And I think there was a lack of
prepping photographers on who creators were, and there was a
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lot of because so many people get invited, a lot
of I think the TikTok committee and the photographers and
everything felt a lot of stress and they didn't know creators.
Maybe they didn't know who was nominated for what, and
they were just pushing, we don't want your photos. Like
a lot of like they have videos of photographers and
people of the TikTok that worked for TikTok were like,
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we don't want your photos, we don't want you on
the media wall, we don't want you here, pushing a
lot of people away from the media thing, and everyone
was like yeah. It was very like you don't belong here,
like you're not welcome here. And I even saw one clip,
which again is totally not the creator's fault. Bailey and
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Sofa dofa like obviously huge, very well known in the industry.
They were for a ward, they won an award, they
deserve it, nothing against them at all, but they were
on the media wall and everyone, because they are so
such familiar faces, everyone wanted to get a photo of them.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then there was an Olympic swimmer.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
She was standing there and she was on the same
time as them, and no one took a photo of
her because everyone was wanting so Bailey, which again is
not Sofa Bailey's fault. It's that I don't think that
the media team was prepped well enough with photos. Like
when I went to the Arias and I was interviewing
the Arias, I had photos of everyone, even if I
didn't know them, which I didn't know a lot of
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people on the Ras, but I had photos of everyone
that was going to be walking along the red carpet
so I could call out their name, So I'm well aware.
I think there should have been more prep going undergoing,
and I think there should have been a separate red
carpet for people who weren't nominated, because everyone wants to
be on a red carpet. If you're going to one
of those events, you want to have an opportunity to
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get on that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You want to feel special.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I think a lot of people felt there was
a massive divide, and people felt that they.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Weren't welcome, and I think it's really sad. Also, like
all these creators aren't from main cities. Yes, Melbourne or Sydney.
I read that someone paid two point five k for
their family to go. Obviously have to pay for things
at the awards as well, but she was from a
regional area. It's she's like, I had to take up
this opportunity. So I think you would be flying there thinking,
(17:51):
oh my god, I'm going to be rubbing shoulders with
the biggest creators. I'm going to meet this person, this
is going to be a great networking opportunity. Oh yeah,
You're in a whole different area to them.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think the idea of it for a networking opportunity
seems like it's an amazing opportunity and that it's one
to go to and everything like that. I think maybe
because I've been in the industry and I've seen events
like that, I know that it's such a high stress
environment and you're probably not going to get out what
you think you might. And that's why I'm like, I
can kind of miss that thing because networking and stuff
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like that is going to the smaller events is to
make like if you're trying to get into social media,
is to form really good bonds with brands and reaching
out to people online, Hey are you going to this?
You're going to that, and then building connections within the
industry that way, instead of going to something like the
TikTok Awards, because there are so many people there and
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you will feel a little irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
If I went, I would have been like, what the fuck? Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
So I'm just like it's not worth it, But like,
how are people going to know that unless they go
and experience those type of things.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But it is a massive investment.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's a couple grand to fly up there, book a hotel,
get the stylists, get outfits, hair, makeup, food. It's a
couple of grand investments for twenty four hours that I
just am like, not really worth it for me.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But it is kind of like you learn on the job,
I guess like that.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But yeah, because you are there are so many creators,
and there are huge creators with it. There's like people
with twenty k and then there's people with like five million.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
There's such a big, vast contrast. It is hard. You're
like a little fish in a big pond. Yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I was thinking about this as well, like I've
been to the Arias per se as well. I don't
know if we're going to like put it next to
the logis in the Arias in terms of award shows,
but it's like the Arias I found so intense. But
the people invited to that are kind of people in
the media, so they're not people that want to video
themselves document the whole night. Like, yes, there's cameras everyhere
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on the red carpet, but you get in the room
and you have a bit more privacy, whereas everything I'm
doing on my full people in the crowd as well,
And like when someone wins on the board, They're like yeah,
like they pan to themselves and you can see the
people in front and behind her a bit, like it
would be so intense and it's the TikTok Awards. You
can only expect it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, you're in a room with a bunch of creators.
Everyone wants the best content. Like oh, like, honestly, that
sounds so exciting inducing I'm literally getting goosebumps about it,
Like yeah, I think it's like piped up to be
a really really big thing and like don't like, don't
take what I say is Bible, but like, yeah, I
think because it is still such a new platform and
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TikTok and Australia is still developing and everything like that,
the execution of it was not right And I can't
speak on behalf of especially people of.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Color or minority minority groups.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I'm in a white Australian female that literally does is
not in any minority groups, and I can't speak on
your behalf and speak on discrimination and how that would
feel for you, because again I've never experienced it and
I'm not going to put words into your mouth, but
to feel that, my heart hurts for you because we
always talk about grouping everyone together and quality and everything
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like that, and I don't know how it feels for you,
But then going to an event like that and seeing
overt discrimination and the divide and people you're not feeling seen.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I would never, ever, I could never imagine how that.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Would feel for you, and being like, well, I'm a
TikTok creator, this is my job, Like why aren't you
recognizing me? That would fucking suck, And it just sucks
that you felt like that, And yeah, it makes my
heart hurt because I'm like, I feel we always talk
about work and don't be homophobic, don't be racist, and
(21:50):
don't be all of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But then Australia still has so far to go.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And I feel it's a platform privilege. Everywhere will deny that,
but TikTok feels like kind of the platform where everyone
gets to go. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it's very disappointing in Australian culture and I
just think we need to be better.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's, you know, meant to be the top levels. You
expect not to see that there, but sadly does exist everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, and we still have so far, so so far
to go. But anyway, TikTok Awards twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So this is kind of related to the TikTok Awards.
It isn't, but I did notice on the red carpet
every year they have a question where they kind of
want abate influencers where yes, I was actually in my
car watching. I think they ask again, is influencing hard?
Or is your job hard? They got the same Veronica
Check talking about it. She is, yeah, I don't know either.
(22:50):
I think she actually called for like a union to
be formed for influencers and she wanted influences to go
on strike. But that's a whole whole other conbo. We
touched on that another time.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
What was the question?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So it was about the under sixteen social media ban? Ah,
and I don't think they were trying to bait the creators,
but I did see like a lot of the creators
didn't really want to make comment about it. And that's
also fine. But I don't think it has to be
a big scary thing. I can. I think we can
discuss the social media ban and see both sides. But
(23:27):
I found a lot of the creators saying, oh, you know,
I haven't really thought about it. Don't know much about it,
don't really want to comment on it. It's like, let's
discuss it.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I would have been up there. I don't think it
should be seen.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I think it is taking away from the fact this.
I don't think that social media should be banned for
under sixteen year olds because I think it's taking away
from the fact and it's sheltering kids from what could
they be exposed to. And I can understand the argument
that their brain need more developing time to then maybe
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be exposed to some of the stuff that they're going
to be seen online. But I think the real teaching
comes from the parents. It comes from teaching your children.
It teaches in people in education and older adults who
are around younger children to educate your children properly about bullying,
to not bully kids, about safe practices online, To properly
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inform and educate your kids to what they could be
exposed to online and how they can go about it.
Teach your kid to be a genuine human, Teach your
kid to be a nice person, Teach your kid to
not bully, like all of those things, and how to
properly safely be online. Instead of banning them from being
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online because at one point your kid is going to
be exposed to it, So teach them how to go
about it in the right way instead of banning them
from ever being on that. Because kids, when there's a will,
there's a way. It's the same about alcohol and all
of those things. At one point, your child will drink.
At one point, your child will do something behind your back.
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And I'm speaking from my childhood as well. The more
my parents were against it, the more the less I
told them, the less I went behind their back, the
less I did that. So if you're banning your child
from doing it, and maybe it's the child that I was,
but like you're exposing them to the risk of them
almost getting in more trouble and you're not finding out
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about it because they're banned from it, or they're doing
it behind your back, or they're doing it sneakily with
VPN like all of those things that you're probably leading
them to more risk of getting themselves into trouble.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
To getting I don't know, some scary shit on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Because I think we're not I think we're releasing the
responsibility from higher people of platform.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Platform.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, and I think we're like being like, oh, well,
just ban them from doing it, instead of holding ourselves
responsibility as one as creators, two, as like adults and
people of organizations and people in education. You're releasing responsibility
from educating these kids on how to safely be online
instead of yeah, you're just like, ah, not my problem,
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just ban it from them. I don't think that that's
the way that you should be doing it. Like, I
think we should all be educating kids on how to
safely be online, how to safely be a kind person,
how to not bully people. And I think that there
should be things put in place that restricts kids from
certain parts of social media. But I don't think you
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should be banning it because I think it's not holding
us responsible for being fucking better people.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, because what changes online? Like, yeah, sure we won't
see anyone below sixteen on that, but the content's not
going to change. I'm still going to open whatever social
media platform and see some pretty horrific things exactly, some
things that I'm so insensitive to now, not in the
sense that I don't care, but like I'm so used
to seeing really heavy imagery every single day. Yeah, and
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I can't imagine that for a kid, So I do
understand the argument, but it's like, what are the platforms doing?
Like why is a kind of onus?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Oni?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, And I think like a lot of people say, like, oh,
how do you always deal with the hate or like
you get a lot of hate comments like I have,
and like, weirdly, I'm desensitized by it now, which I
think if I'm applying that to a young person who
is sad, like I shouldn't be desensitized. But again, it's
from so many years on social media that I've built
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a tough skin for it, and I know it just
like comes with the price that I and the job
that I'm in.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So I'm like, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But again I've learnt that and I think I don't know,
Like I think a really.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Good example of this is you as a creator.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I cannot promote alcohol brands and you cannot promote alcohol.
I don't know if you guys know this, but you
can't work with alcohol brands unless you're over the age
of twenty five, and a lot of the time you
won't then be shown that content if.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You're under twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If the creator has the settings on what they should have,
you will not actually be exposed to the content of
paid work. So like if they're not being paid by
like Aperol spirits for example, and then just like putting
that on their story and like there may be just
add an Aparol event.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You will see that.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But if it's paid partnerships, they won't be exposed to
people under twenty five. That's where something should there's something
we can do a lot elon musk, get yourself in
there or something or whatever. You can do a lot that.
I think certain things shouldn't be exposed to accounts under sixteen,
but I think banning you from it is again just
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putting you at more risk for making more mistakes when
you're older because you're not learning.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And one thing I have in mind is I think
people kind of see our generation arguing this and it's
just like us because you would have wanted social media
at that age. It's like, no, we know what it was, like, Yeah,
I had Facebook when I was eight. I hate that.
I'm saying that God's insane. I found a way, and
it's like, ye, no, can find a way. I cannot
believe it. I'd never want my kids doing that, but
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like it's reality. Kids are clever and god, we were
kind of smart. I would hate to know what the
next end of kids are like exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And like you have things on like YouTube and Netflix
and stuff like that where they won't show you certain
shows because you can have like a kid lock on
it or something like that. You should be able to
do that in social media if you just put your
birthdate in there, and then it shouldn't be showing you
certain content, which I think is really really important. Somethings
do not need to be shown to children, but I
think the whole purpose behind it of And again, opinions
(29:56):
are like usholes, so like my opinion, you may not
agree with, which I'm a with, but I think banning
social media for people under sixteen is taking responsibility away
from educators, from people like myself, parents, teachers, organizations to
not properly educate and inform young children. It's taking the
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responsibility away from that, and I think the responsibility does
lie on us people over eighteen, people in those areas
that have the ability.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
To I think it's taking away from that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I will never I know that I have people under
sixteen watching my content, and I'm not going to go, yeah, girls,
go drink a fucking cruiser.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Never going to be doing that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I know that I have the responsibility to be promoting
safe things online.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm not going to go tell them to do something stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, and I know you wouldn't, but there's some kind
of reckless creators out there. Say this goes ahead and
there's no longer anyone under sixteen on social media. I
think people are going to start posting with the mindset of, oh, well,
the kids aren't going to see it, so let's go mond.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Honestly, my brain would probably think like that too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I'm not going to then post that, but it would
be in the back of my mind being like, oh, no,
one the under sixteen is happening in there, so.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
They all know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, and there's some lots worse people than.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I
really don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But I'll argue with and for you.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, I want to finish on a big one. This
is multifaceted. Are you watching Big Brother?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I'm not watching Big Brother, but I do think I
would be really good on it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think so too. I've genuinely thought this.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think I would be.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I think you'd go a bit stir crazy, but I
think it'd make great tea.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, I'd be so crazy because I couldn't go over
my walks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, oh my god, I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, because I'm like, come my god, maybe I want
to go on Love Island or something like that, but
I'm like, I can't go with my walks.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I can't remove myself from the situation.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Like Gabby last night, I'm watching Love Island, she went
ape shit, but I'm like, oh my god, like.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would just like want to leave hid under the table.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, it's a Big Brother. I feel like you might
have seen some things. Yes, I'm watching it so I
can fill you in on a lot of the gaps,
but just quick context. Big Brother is like back back
to the OG format. It's a bit shorter, like it
used to go for two to three months. I think
it wraps up next week, so it's only been like
three to four weeks, but it's like twenty four to seven.
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You can watch live on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, I've seen the TikTok on my fully pain.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, it's like so good because I grew up on
Big Brother.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah I've never watched it, okay, but I know that
you vote people off.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, you vote to save. So each week the housemates
will vote for three nominees to go up for eviction
and then the Australian public has to save their two favorites.
But I think that was a double elimination last week, right,
so interesting. I do think you'd love it. But the
first thing that is a contestant on their cold Holly. Okay,
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everyone's seen Holly. I think seeing this yet so much
a pretty privileged one. Yes, yes, And I don't like
being part of a pylon. I've tried to give her
so many chances, but I just like, I've seen clips
on my social media and I just think she's got
to shovel and she keeps on digging.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I'm like, when is something going to click in her
brain to go I need to shut.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Up and just a little bit of self awareness. And
I know she's got that feedback, but it just hasn't
doesn't brain.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I think she's one of those people that like she
definitely thinks that like there is a hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, I don't agree with it. I saw the first
clip of her with the pretty privileged thing.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, so for context, she had a conversation. Obviously, your
all your devices are taken away. You're in a house
with strangers. You're going to talk about pretty much every topic,
every opinion you have around the dinner table. Pretty privileged
got bo Abiola a lesbian And I'm not being rudin anyway.
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She describes herself as this way, and I think it's
a bit contactual to the story. But she's a bigger
woman and they're talking about pretty privilege around the table,
and Abiola will also drop the clip right here right now.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Prettier people in society get treated differently.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I don't agree with pretty privilege at all. Yes, there
are privileges that come with being beautiful. I get social anxiety.
You wouldn't think that, but when sometimes a beautiful girl
works into a room, sometimes we don't want to even
be noticed when we walk in the room.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, but I'd rather than people don't give me the
time of day because they think I'm gross.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But do you know what I'm saying, You guys live
an easier life.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
People have called me stuck up sexual life.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
People think I'm gross, and I'll give me the time
of day.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
She's getting a Abiola speaks about her experiences getting yelled
at out of cars, people not wanting to even serve her,
look at her, give her the time of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
She she expressed that it's hard always walking into a
room feeling that people are disgusted at you. I think
that that was like a big thing that she said.
She was like, I feel like people are disgusted by me.
I feel like people think I'm People don't want me there,
they think I'm ugly, They don't give me the time
of day. They don't look at me like they or
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they stare like she was like, it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Like she was like, it's so it sucks. Yeah, it
fucking sucks.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And sure we're all in our heads a little bit,
but like people have screaminess at this woman. She lives
this every single day, which is giving insight into until
Holly decided, hey, this is a perfect time to talk
about my experience.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
She then kind of goes.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Being having pretty privilege is not always a positive thing.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
There's so much negative.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, she opened up and said, I don't believe in
pretty privilege. Yeah, but are pros and cons to it.
Oh yes, okay, it's that sentence.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Come on, okay, I'm going to try to be very
very careful with my words towards Holly. And again, I
don't think someone's experiences with anything in life will take
away from somebody else's. So Abiola has expressed and been
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very very vulnerable in her speaking about how she feels
disgusting and how she I think she was pretty much
saying like, I would love to feel pretty. I would
love to feel accepted. I would love to feel pretty.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't feel accepted.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, like to be seen, to be seen and to
be loved and then someone to come in and go mm.
To be seen, to be seen and to be loved
is actually not that good hard act. It's actually really hard.
Like imagine I had to cut I remember, she goes,
I had to cut my hair into a bob because
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I was so pretty that like I didn't want to
be seen and I'm I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like shut up.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Like I remember seeing the thing and I was sitting
in my car drinking my morning coffee and I saw
this thing and.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I was just like, no way, as someone I don't
think I'm the prettiest girl. In the world.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But I definitely think I have experienced pretty privilege. I
definitely think, yeah, I'll be straight up like, I'm not
in an egotistical way. I definitely have experienced forms of
pretty privilege. And I know it is a very big thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's very prominent, so important to be aware of it.
Not one hundred percent obviously.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Like one hundred percent, like there was so many forms
of pretty privilege that we don't even realize. And I
remember there was a thing in the year twelve that
I studied. I think it's like an angel effect or
something like that. There's it's called some kind of effect
where you will more likely be liked by society.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Of if a person who's not very socially.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Accepted by society they deem as beautiful, and then someone
who's not deemed beautiful by societal expectations. If you both
go for a job and you both have the same qualifications,
you both have the same level of experience, the prettier
person will be employed.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
The person who is more socially equipped.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Or socially liked by your looks normal wise, you will
be employed. That is just fact, and I'm so sorry
to say, it's just how our brains are wired, and
you cannot say that that is a negative connotation for
pretty privilege and that it is not a thing. It
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is and I'm so sorry, and it fucking sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It shouldn't be a thing. It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
You shouldn't be getting away. I am models. Why do
they get so much more in life? Because why do
crazy rich men want to date models? Yeah, there are
so many pretty privileged things that you see in everyday
life that you're probably not even aware of. And for
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someone to express that she has seen it and then
she experiences the opposite and then try to almost relate
to her, you need a big wake up call.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Like I don't know, Like I don't even know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It just like makes me so I don't know, Like
I'm like, I have firsthand witnessed forms of pretty privilege.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, it's not a perfect conversation. So I don't think
you can ever say something about it and think I've
hit every market. I've said the perfect thing, because it's unfair.
It's a very imperfect kind of system. Was reading a
few quotes which I really liked around this, and that's
a pretty privilege exists, and so does the discomfort of
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talking about it, which I think is so valid. Like
I even remember an interview with Dua Lipa. She got
asked about it, and when the interview was published, she
kind of dismissed it, and she actually emailed the journalists
like two days after and she's like, I'm so sorry.
I actually do want to come back with my thoughts.
If I had enough time, i'd read it. But something
to the extent of like it's something I've been really
(40:31):
uncomfortable in ever looking at accepting because I don't want
to discount all the years of hard work thinking I
got there because I'm pretty Yeah, but I totally accept
that it's helped me along the way.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I definitely think it gives you, not an upper hand necessarily,
but it does help you boost Like there is a
certain thing of like, yeah, you don't want to discredit
your hard work and just be like I just got
here because I was. There is hard work and determination
that goes into things to be making you successful, but
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to be liked is to be seen, and you are
more likely to be seen because you're an attractive woman.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, and even the job example you brought up, it's like,
even if it doesn't mean the prettier person gets a job.
It's just people are a lot more receptive to that person.
They're probably gonna be like, ah, she seems a lot
more nice, or they probably.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Face more friendly approach assumptions.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
About her lifestyle, saying she's social and active, whereas someone
bigger absolutely could even be more active than someone skinnier
than them. But it's just like of face value, people
make these very shallow assumptions. Yes, and we need to
get so much better.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, Like, I think with the stereotype of like, and
I can give an example of like as someone who
does influencing and yes, again, like I'm a white pretty.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You're a pretty girl.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I'm socially accepted, like I don't. I don't firsthand experience
forms of discrimination towards my looks. I then struggle with
people thinking I'm dumb, and that really sucks because I
feel like sometimes you have to go over and above.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh, some people think I'm a bitch.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I think sometimes I then go over and above to
prove that I'm nice and prove that I'm not dumb.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
But like, I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Go It's really hard for me because I need to
prove to people that I'm smart, like I don't. That
doesn't even cross my mind. And like back to the
TikTok Awards thing, like when I said before, I can't
speak on behalf of women or people of color who
have experienced first hand discrimination at those events because I
can't speak.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
On your experience. I have never experienced that, so I'm
not going.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
To speak on your behalf and say, yeah, I know
how it feels.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I don't know how it feels.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So for Holly to speak on a behalf and try
to relate like yeah, yeah, I know how it feels.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
No you don't.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, it was almost like a catch as well. It's
like oh yeah, yeah, but the putting her problems above
hers and I think as women and just society, like
it should be a one whole conversation because in the
famous sizes of Holly, there are cons to pretty privilege,
Like two women can be absolutely beautiful and in very
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different and opposite ways experienced discrimination because of their good
looks as well. So it's like something women should be
banding together about. I think Holly made it us verst them.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yeah, and I think Holly should have gone like I
feel sorry for you that you feel that type of
way in societal groups. And when you walk into a room,
the first thing that she should have said is you're
beautiful the.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Way you are.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh my god. The whole conversation is like, can you
just tell her she's beautiful so she knows you're on
her side? Yeah, but I don't know if she was.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
No, she didn't, And like, that's the first thing you
should go, You're beautiful just the way you are. Yeah,
you should feel accepted, you should feel welcome in every
room that you walk into.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Like it's the same thing of like when your friend goes, oh,
I feel really fat today, you're not gonna go Yeah,
you look it.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, you sympathize, and its basic human empathy. Really, and
I just think Holly in this Big Brother thing, I
think she has really changed as a person. I think
she's grown and then been held responsible for a lot
of things that she says and does because some of
the stuff is quite controversial. Even the way that she's
(44:36):
treating that guy that she's hooking up with.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, well, age gap. I was like, I feel like
we've run out of time, but let's quickly address it.
Holly's thirty one, Colin's twenty one. No one's talking about it.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh interesting, Yeah, I think, yeah, it's interesting because I
think he has like expressed that he's never felt good enough,
that like no pretty person would ever look at him,
and it goes down to that stuf and he.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Feels less than.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Her and just like he'd never be given a shot
in the real world. Makes me so sad and like
even when he expresses that to her, she's never just
simply no, it's like, oh, why would you think that.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, it's like feeding her ego a little bit away
when he like, yeah, I don't know. I don't think
Collie's a bad person, but I think she's been stuck
in her ways for a very very long time. And
whence and some people are I know firsthand that some
people in your life, like you're almost you'd rather not
say anything because confronting them and holding them accountable. With
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certain people, you're like, it's not worth the battle, Like
even literally on Ossie Shaw, for example, if you guys
are watching Ossie Shaw, like people are like, I'm so
scared to approach her because I know she comes firing
back that it's like it's not actually worth the battle.
But then holding those people responsible is really important because
I think they do want to learn and they do
want to be held responsible, but.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
It's hard and they sadly get away with it because
it's so sticky.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I think it's really interesting and I hope Holly learns
and I think she's learnt a lot from her experience
with Big Brother, and I think everyone needs to learn,
and you're never too old to learn and change your ways.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So good luck, Holly, the Best Girl, all the best
girly and Big Brother.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
If you're taking people next season, I'm happy to do
that as long as you've got a walking pat in there. Really,
I think that is a wrap for today's episode, very
very opinionated episode. I'm worried I'm going to experience a
little bit about Flash. But let me know what you
guys think. Send me feedback please. I always like to
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know when.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You guys are listening and your opinions.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
And we have the rest of the year planned pretty
much locked in. But next year we are all ears. Yes,
whatever you want, we'll do for you, unless it's controversial,
we may have to yea all might yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening and I'll
see you guys next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Bye bye
I really don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
But I'll argue with n for you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Thanks Kleen.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hi everyone, Happy Tuesday, and welcome back. Too hotter than yesterday.
We're getting into some piping hot tea today. We've got
Blake still here giving his little two cents because.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's always important.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey divas, Hey divers, you have woken me up this morning,
Like this is the vibe.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I am a morning person. I know, hit me, hit
me at two thirty three o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I have this thing at like two thirty three where
I go like non verbal and I just need like
thirty minutes to myself, just scroll on my phone.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's just like, don't speak to me. I need to
like recharge.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm like a Tesla on battery like I need it,
and then I'll like recharge at like eight thirty and
I'm like on go like between like two thirty and
seven pm.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I'm the worst.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You it's giving cyborg. But that is not like the
routine that'd be on you just shut down at night though.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
No, oh my god, my brain comes alive at night.
I have like so many unfinished notes pages because I'm
just like my brain whizzes, and then once I wake
up in the morning, I'm like, let's go, go, go, go, go, go, go,
go go go, Like I cannot relax in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I can never have a slow morning.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Like I'm not like, oh, Sunday, as soon as I
wake up, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Go boom, like I've been I've been on charge for
eight hours. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What's news this week? I actually feel like you've had
a quiet one, Like I haven't seen much of you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, I've really taken a step back on social media
this week. Yeah, I had a bit of a breakdown
last week on social media about like my mental health
and stuff like that, and I just like haven't found
the excitement to like get dressed, get ready, like when
I know I have something on, I really am like
good at pulling myself out. But I haven't had anything
(01:58):
really on this week, which I'm glad that I like
forced myself to stop, because sometimes I'm just I'm very
good at distracting myself from my problems. But this week
I've just like mentally taken it slow, which is like
not good in social media form. But I just haven't
had any motivation to like film and like get ready
and make myself look pretty. But I have a very
(02:21):
big week next week, so I'm like really charging my battery, ye, trying.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
To get onto it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I feel like this is like the challenging patch for you. Yes,
I knew you're doing this, flew home booked yourself silly,
and now I think this is a time where you
actually have to kind of entertain yourself a little bit
and make your own type of busy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, and when my I'm very good at making myself busy,
but my busy is like going to the gym and
doing stuff for like myself and my health and stuff
like that. So like you guys don't want to see that,
Like you don't want to see my everyday life. And
I'm again, I'm not saying social media is hard. Social
media isn't hard, but to always be on and to
(03:00):
always have your best foot forward and putting your best
self forward. Networking, you speak to and you meet a
lot of strangers in your everyday life, like phenomal people
who have a nine to five Monday to Friday.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Your job is probably a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
More straining than mine, not even questioning that, but you
probably see the same people every day you go into
the office. You're sitting around the same coworkers, you have
your same office, you have the same desk, and you
are in like that routine. But events and then gifting
suites and everything like that, you're meeting constant different people
every single day. So retaining that and then like putting
(03:35):
your best foot forward sometimes is straining. It's not hard,
it's straining and it's tiring. It's like always being on
and always making sure you're putting your best foot forward
is like a lot, and I'm one to overload that.
So then I'll have like a blip of the system,
like a couple days in the month where I'm like,
you know what, no one needs to see my face,
(03:57):
no one needs to talk to me. You don't want
to see me. And because I'm struggling with my mental
health at the moment, I'm like, I don't want to
put that version of myself out there. So I'm really
like retracting. But it's going to come out in December again.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, it's hard to even know. I want advice to
give you because like I loved your video, but I
don't want you having the post out every day, and
I hate that you're feeling this way, but it's also
so great to take people on that journey. But I
think you are so so generous, So like, I like
that you're switching off a bit nice. I've never known
you for it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Really switch off, but like, yeah, I think coming towards it.
I think it's also the weather. I just have no
motivation to do, which is so annoying, but like I'm
excited because I'm like today I have the podcast and.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's kind of it at the moment.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, the weather was nicess.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I hate talking about the weather, like it's the lowest
chance it's improved my mental health.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, it's so like I'm so weather dependent, Like I'm
like solo charged.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Watch your plans for the rest of the year. I
feel like we haven't even been through that either.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I have such a busy the rest of the year,
and I think that's why I'm like, this is my
last week before like Christmas break, because like I don't
really get a Christmas break, because yeah I do. Actually
that's a big fat fucking life. Sorry, justled straight to
all your faces. But I go to Sydney next week
for a week, I have like a lot of events
up there, which is making me very anxious. And then
(05:20):
I come back, I have, like normally you have like
the months of when you do social media, you have
like certain contracts and stuff that you need to fulfill,
and then you have the whole month to do that.
But because a lot of people finish on the nineteenth,
I have to then get all that stuff done to
them by the nineteenth. So normally I have another like
two weeks to fulfill it. But because I've been Sydney
all week and then I'll have all of that and
(05:42):
the Christmas parties and everything like that events, I think
I've got an event on every night wrapping up the
ear year, like end of your meetings and financial things
like going into twenty twenty six. And because everyone goes
on break on the nineteenth and then they come back
on like the fiar God so good to everyone schedule,
then we go straight into the Australian Open. So I'm
(06:03):
planning January work now because we won't have communication for
most of December, so I'm planning December and January now.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So yeah, a lot of forward planning, a lot of meetings,
a lot of end of year stuff, going out for
lunch with like a lot of brands, take you out
for lunch to thank you for the year, because you'll
have like six or twelve month partnerships and then that's
all wrapped up in December, so they like like to
thank you, You like to thank them.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Just a little meetings, really such a business.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Woman, a busy girl.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And then like a lot of friend time at the
end of December, intentional time with friends.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Family.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's the time that my whole family get back together
because my brother obviously lives in the US, so we're
all migreat down to my beach house from like the
twentieth onwards.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So cute, so cute.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
But I have like my housemates spending Christmas with us
this year, Nelly, my old housemates spending.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Chris with us a second year in a row. Yeah,
that was so sweet last time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I know. But now I've got both of them.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I've got like my two besties, which I love because
I'm the youngest cousin and we don't really spend time
with my mom's side and I'm the youngest cousin. But
they all now have kids and stuff, so like the
kind and our family is huge, so like we all
kind of do our own separate Christmases now and it's
so fun because like now I like we call ours
the Orphan Christmas and I'm like, everyone, come, everyone come,
(07:26):
Like I love spending Christmas because now I'm like I'm older.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, so it's so much fun. I'm excited we're to
say being older. Yeah, I know, but that's so cute
being like I don't know about you, but like I
do know Christmas sometimes I want to break for my families,
being able to jump between friends as well, and I
was kind of hosting them in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, and yeah, because Lily my housemate, you guys know her.
She's from the Gold Coast and she's an only child,
so her parents are coming and spending Christmas with.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Us, Are you kidding? Yeah, that's adorable because.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's normally just the three of them.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And I'm like, and then, yeah, I don't get to
see my brother often because he's from the US, and
then my other brother leaves down at the morning to Peninsula,
so I don't get to see him much at all.
Like I haven't seen him since I moved to London,
like went to London.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, he doesn't make a lot of effort with me. Patrick,
come and see your little sister. Huh. Could you always
call me when something's wrong and you want something to
be fixed? But he doesn't make effort with me. But
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So I'm like, I love my family, but like two
weeks of the year spending every day with them, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They're a lot, It's it's a testing time.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We're five extroverts in one yes, five personality, big personalities and.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Being used to having your own spaces. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's like I am looking forward to it, but like
I always get a little scared every year, Like I'm
very social, but I will need an hour each day
kind of similar to you where I just lock myself
in a room's like silence.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Christmas is such a touchy subject for everyone. Trust me,
I've had the worst Christmas is. Christmas is always like
I'm a very big grinch. I've really come out of
my shell recently and started to enjoy Christmas, but I've
had a lot of trauma around Christmas. So now the
fact that like my family is all under one roof is.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Sometimes it causes a lot of PTSD, but I've worked
through that now, thank god. But yeah, it was always
a really hard time for a year for me. So
I always like sympathize with people, and it's always glamorized
on social media. So like if you don't have a
good Christmas and you're like dreading it, so many.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
People are us as well.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Like it's a very very hard time of year, and
it's very very big for comparison on social media. But like,
if you don't have a big, happy, connected united family
with so many Christmas presents under the Christmas tree, that's normal.
No one's going and flaunting that on social media, like
everyone's going and flauncing the fucking seafood spread and everyone
like all dressed up. If you don't have that type
(09:51):
of Christmas as well, that's very normal.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, it's such a good point. I remember, like in
high school, I think feeling really inadequate around Christmas time,
Like I've never had a typical family kind of system,
and obviously that's all you see on the lane and
I've kind of got it back in a way in
my later years. It doesn't look how I thought it
would be, but it just makes it ten times more special.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, exactly, it got there. You appreciate it now. Yeah,
I'm the same.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I'm like, yeah, we have like a very interesting dynamic.
I wish I could talk to you guys about it,
but it's just really not my place. Like I wish
one day my family would come on and spill the beans.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But yeah, maybe one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But yeah, for a very very long time with my childhood,
I did not have a united Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It was very very interesting Christmas.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And because you were young in your head, you'll probably like,
I'm never going to get there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh I never ever thought I didn't have a normal
Christmas until twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
One, yes, kind of not long ago.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I think I've had three normal Christmases. Yeah, actually
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
COVID in between that, by the way. Yeah, so like
not a funeral.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, anyway, on the lightest topic, we are doing pop
culture breakdowns because I love this stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So I love it. So we are just going to
dive right in. Do you want to tell me? And
you bring up the.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Topic I was thinking, so I just don't know which order,
but me think with your audience through TikTok Girlie, the
TikTok awards were on. I was speaking just before about
this on my algorithm. I'm not saying much, so I'm like,
was it uneventful? Whereas you've said, you've seen a lot
of backlash. I'd love to get into it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, everyone was damning me, being like, why aren't you
at the TikTok Awards?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh have anxiety? That seems like hell to me.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I obviously love TikTok, everything that TikTok's given me, the
life that it's given me. I'm so grateful for that platform.
Do I think TikTok cards are unnecessary? Not really personal opinion.
I don't think it's all that important. I think I
love that it brings people together, but I also think
it creates a massive divide in the TikTok industry. And
(12:26):
I just don't think Australia is there yet. I don't
think it really has the hit that other countries can do.
And I'm just too much of an anxious person. Being
in a room.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Full of creators gives me so.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Much anxiety that I was like, you know what, I
don't need to be there. I don't think i'll probably
ever go never say never. But I just don't think
it's really something that I need to go to.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I feel in the past years it's been harder
to kind of see what goes on in the room,
but mainstream media are really on top of it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yes, I think this year the coverage of it was
really really good. Before I hadn't really really seen that.
I'd only ever seen like little clips here and there.
I did love the coverage, the questions that people were
asking in the media wall, but the backlash has been insane. First, like,
the first thing that I saw is no one could
leave the room to get food or drinks the whole
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time that the show was going on.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I think they had to pay for food and drinks.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yes, which is interesting, Yeah, weird.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm like, I don't have a total opinion about that, Like,
I think it's fine to pay for I think there
should have been something.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I think you should they should have at least had
like a bottle of water at the seat. Like the
fact that two and a half hours are sitting there
and you're not even like you can't even get water,
You can't leave to go get water.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Isn't that like a oh and s like issue?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, a bit of a problem.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, Like you should like what if someone was about
to faint? Yeah, you know what I mean. And I
think those environments are so high stress and hope so
highly and yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And I don't know why I know this, but I
think it was like thirty six to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Into screens that day storming.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So it was human high stress environment, high anxious environment,
A lot of people, a lot of people shuffling through.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Water should be offered.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, someone's going their face, yeah, pretty much guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So then the second thing was is that the media
wall was upstairs for all the creators that were being nominated,
and then there was a TikTok pluck or something downstairs
where people could get a photo in front of like
a media wall, but there was like a line if
you had like a GA ticket or you were just invited.
There was a line to get a photo in front
of that tiktop ballad or something for like over an hour.
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So a lot of people ended up skipping it. But
then they went upstairs to go get in front of
the media wall, where you saw like a lot of
people being questioned, like the nominees were getting photos and
everything like that, and there was a massive, massive uproar
and there is a massive uproll online about the discrimination
that a lot of people of color have experience there.
Like I don't quite know their names exactly, so I
(15:05):
apologize I can't really say their names. But a lot
of them came up saying that they went up to
the media wall and one of them was even a
nominee as a Beauty Creator of the Year, and the
photographers didn't want to get a photo with her.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They told her to move along.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They told her to not like, oh you're not like
like you're not part of the media things. We don't
want you here. Like the discrimination that a lot of
people felt at the TikTok Awards was very very strong
this year. And I think there was a lack of
prepping photographers on who creators were, and there was a
(15:39):
lot of because so many people get invited, a lot
of I think the TikTok committee and the photographers and
everything felt a lot of stress and they didn't know creators.
Maybe they didn't know who was nominated for what, and
they were just pushing, we don't want your photos. Like
a lot of like they have videos of photographers and
people of the TikTok that worked for TikTok were like,
(16:02):
we don't want your photos, we don't want you on
the media wall, we don't want you here, pushing a
lot of people away from the media thing, and everyone
was like yeah. It was very like you don't belong here,
like you're not welcome here. And I even saw one clip,
which again is totally not the creator's fault. Bailey and
(16:23):
Sofa dofa like obviously huge, very well known in the industry.
They were for a ward, they won an award, they
deserve it, nothing against them at all, but they were
on the media wall and everyone, because they are so
such familiar faces, everyone wanted to get a photo of them.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then there was an Olympic swimmer.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
She was standing there and she was on the same
time as them, and no one took a photo of
her because everyone was wanting so Bailey, which again is
not Sofa Bailey's fault. It's that I don't think that
the media team was prepped well enough with photos. Like
when I went to the Arias and I was interviewing
the Arias, I had photos of everyone, even if I
didn't know them, which I didn't know a lot of
(17:01):
people on the Ras, but I had photos of everyone
that was going to be walking along the red carpet
so I could call out their name, So I'm well aware.
I think there should have been more prep going undergoing,
and I think there should have been a separate red
carpet for people who weren't nominated, because everyone wants to
be on a red carpet. If you're going to one
of those events, you want to have an opportunity to
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get on that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You want to feel special.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I think a lot of people felt there was
a massive divide, and people felt that they.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Weren't welcome, and I think it's really sad. Also, like
all these creators aren't from main cities. Yes, Melbourne or Sydney.
I read that someone paid two point five k for
their family to go. Obviously have to pay for things
at the awards as well, but she was from a
regional area. It's she's like, I had to take up
this opportunity. So I think you would be flying there thinking,
(17:51):
oh my god, I'm going to be rubbing shoulders with
the biggest creators. I'm going to meet this person, this
is going to be a great networking opportunity. Oh yeah,
You're in a whole different area to them.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think the idea of it for a networking opportunity
seems like it's an amazing opportunity and that it's one
to go to and everything like that. I think maybe
because I've been in the industry and I've seen events
like that, I know that it's such a high stress
environment and you're probably not going to get out what
you think you might. And that's why I'm like, I
can kind of miss that thing because networking and stuff
(18:20):
like that is going to the smaller events is to
make like if you're trying to get into social media,
is to form really good bonds with brands and reaching
out to people online, Hey are you going to this?
You're going to that, and then building connections within the
industry that way, instead of going to something like the
TikTok Awards, because there are so many people there and
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you will feel a little irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
If I went, I would have been like, what the fuck? Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
So I'm just like it's not worth it, But like,
how are people going to know that unless they go
and experience those type of things.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
But it is a massive investment.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's a couple grand to fly up there, book a hotel,
get the stylists, get outfits, hair, makeup, food. It's a
couple of grand investments for twenty four hours that I
just am like, not really worth it for me.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But it is kind of like you learn on the job,
I guess like that.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But yeah, because you are there are so many creators,
and there are huge creators with it. There's like people
with twenty k and then there's people with like five million.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
There's such a big, vast contrast. It is hard. You're
like a little fish in a big pond. Yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I was thinking about this as well, like I've
been to the Arias per se as well. I don't
know if we're going to like put it next to
the logis in the Arias in terms of award shows,
but it's like the Arias I found so intense. But
the people invited to that are kind of people in
the media, so they're not people that want to video
themselves document the whole night. Like, yes, there's cameras everyhere
(19:54):
on the red carpet, but you get in the room
and you have a bit more privacy, whereas everything I'm
doing on my full people in the crowd as well,
And like when someone wins on the board, They're like yeah,
like they pan to themselves and you can see the
people in front and behind her a bit, like it
would be so intense and it's the TikTok Awards. You
can only expect it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, you're in a room with a bunch of creators.
Everyone wants the best content. Like oh, like, honestly, that
sounds so exciting inducing I'm literally getting goosebumps about it,
Like yeah, I think it's like piped up to be
a really really big thing and like don't like, don't
take what I say is Bible, but like, yeah, I
think because it is still such a new platform and
(20:37):
TikTok and Australia is still developing and everything like that,
the execution of it was not right And I can't
speak on behalf of especially people of.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Color or minority minority groups.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I'm in a white Australian female that literally does is
not in any minority groups, and I can't speak on
your behalf and speak on discrimination and how that would
feel for you, because again I've never experienced it and
I'm not going to put words into your mouth, but
to feel that, my heart hurts for you because we
always talk about grouping everyone together and quality and everything
(21:13):
like that, and I don't know how it feels for you,
But then going to an event like that and seeing
overt discrimination and the divide and people you're not feeling seen.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I would never, ever, I could never imagine how that.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Would feel for you, and being like, well, I'm a
TikTok creator, this is my job, Like why aren't you
recognizing me? That would fucking suck, And it just sucks
that you felt like that, And yeah, it makes my
heart hurt because I'm like, I feel we always talk
about work and don't be homophobic, don't be racist, and
(21:50):
don't be all of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
But then Australia still has so far to go.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And I feel it's a platform privilege. Everywhere will deny that,
but TikTok feels like kind of the platform where everyone
gets to go. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think it's very disappointing in Australian culture and I
just think we need to be better.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's, you know, meant to be the top levels. You
expect not to see that there, but sadly does exist everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, and we still have so far, so so far
to go. But anyway, TikTok Awards twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So this is kind of related to the TikTok Awards.
It isn't, but I did notice on the red carpet
every year they have a question where they kind of
want abate influencers where yes, I was actually in my
car watching. I think they ask again, is influencing hard?
Or is your job hard? They got the same Veronica
Check talking about it. She is, yeah, I don't know either.
(22:50):
I think she actually called for like a union to
be formed for influencers and she wanted influences to go
on strike. But that's a whole whole other conbo. We
touched on that another time.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
What was the question?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So it was about the under sixteen social media ban? Ah,
and I don't think they were trying to bait the creators,
but I did see like a lot of the creators
didn't really want to make comment about it. And that's
also fine. But I don't think it has to be
a big scary thing. I can. I think we can
discuss the social media ban and see both sides. But
(23:27):
I found a lot of the creators saying, oh, you know,
I haven't really thought about it. Don't know much about it,
don't really want to comment on it. It's like, let's
discuss it.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I would have been up there. I don't think it
should be seen.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I think it is taking away from the fact this.
I don't think that social media should be banned for
under sixteen year olds because I think it's taking away
from the fact and it's sheltering kids from what could
they be exposed to. And I can understand the argument
that their brain need more developing time to then maybe
(24:02):
be exposed to some of the stuff that they're going
to be seen online. But I think the real teaching
comes from the parents. It comes from teaching your children.
It teaches in people in education and older adults who
are around younger children to educate your children properly about bullying,
to not bully kids, about safe practices online, To properly
(24:28):
inform and educate your kids to what they could be
exposed to online and how they can go about it.
Teach your kid to be a genuine human, Teach your
kid to be a nice person, Teach your kid to
not bully, like all of those things, and how to
properly safely be online. Instead of banning them from being
(24:48):
online because at one point your kid is going to
be exposed to it, So teach them how to go
about it in the right way instead of banning them
from ever being on that. Because kids, when there's a will,
there's a way. It's the same about alcohol and all
of those things. At one point, your child will drink.
At one point, your child will do something behind your back.
(25:10):
And I'm speaking from my childhood as well. The more
my parents were against it, the more the less I
told them, the less I went behind their back, the
less I did that. So if you're banning your child
from doing it, and maybe it's the child that I was,
but like you're exposing them to the risk of them
almost getting in more trouble and you're not finding out
(25:31):
about it because they're banned from it, or they're doing
it behind your back, or they're doing it sneakily with
VPN like all of those things that you're probably leading
them to more risk of getting themselves into trouble.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
To getting I don't know, some scary shit on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Because I think we're not I think we're releasing the
responsibility from higher people of platform.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Platform.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, and I think we're like being like, oh, well,
just ban them from doing it, instead of holding ourselves
responsibility as one as creators, two, as like adults and
people of organizations and people in education. You're releasing responsibility
from educating these kids on how to safely be online
instead of yeah, you're just like, ah, not my problem,
(26:19):
just ban it from them. I don't think that that's
the way that you should be doing it. Like, I
think we should all be educating kids on how to
safely be online, how to safely be a kind person,
how to not bully people. And I think that there
should be things put in place that restricts kids from
certain parts of social media. But I don't think you
(26:41):
should be banning it because I think it's not holding
us responsible for being fucking better people.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, because what changes online? Like, yeah, sure we won't
see anyone below sixteen on that, but the content's not
going to change. I'm still going to open whatever social
media platform and see some pretty horrific things exactly, some
things that I'm so insensitive to now, not in the
sense that I don't care, but like I'm so used
to seeing really heavy imagery every single day. Yeah, and
(27:11):
I can't imagine that for a kid, So I do
understand the argument, but it's like, what are the platforms doing?
Like why is a kind of onus?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Oni?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, And I think like a lot of people say, like, oh,
how do you always deal with the hate or like
you get a lot of hate comments like I have,
and like, weirdly, I'm desensitized by it now, which I
think if I'm applying that to a young person who
is sad, like I shouldn't be desensitized. But again, it's
from so many years on social media that I've built
(27:41):
a tough skin for it, and I know it just
like comes with the price that I and the job
that I'm in.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
So I'm like, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But again I've learnt that and I think I don't know,
Like I think a really.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Good example of this is you as a creator.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I cannot promote alcohol brands and you cannot promote alcohol.
I don't know if you guys know this, but you
can't work with alcohol brands unless you're over the age
of twenty five, and a lot of the time you
won't then be shown that content if.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You're under twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
If the creator has the settings on what they should have,
you will not actually be exposed to the content of
paid work. So like if they're not being paid by
like Aperol spirits for example, and then just like putting
that on their story and like there may be just
add an Aparol event.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You will see that.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But if it's paid partnerships, they won't be exposed to
people under twenty five. That's where something should there's something
we can do a lot elon musk, get yourself in
there or something or whatever. You can do a lot that.
I think certain things shouldn't be exposed to accounts under sixteen,
but I think banning you from it is again just
(28:57):
putting you at more risk for making more mistakes when
you're older because you're not learning.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And one thing I have in mind is I think
people kind of see our generation arguing this and it's
just like us because you would have wanted social media
at that age. It's like, no, we know what it was, like, Yeah,
I had Facebook when I was eight. I hate that.
I'm saying that God's insane. I found a way, and
it's like, ye, no, can find a way. I cannot
believe it. I'd never want my kids doing that, but
(29:25):
like it's reality. Kids are clever and god, we were
kind of smart. I would hate to know what the
next end of kids are like exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And like you have things on like YouTube and Netflix
and stuff like that where they won't show you certain
shows because you can have like a kid lock on
it or something like that. You should be able to
do that in social media if you just put your
birthdate in there, and then it shouldn't be showing you
certain content, which I think is really really important. Somethings
do not need to be shown to children, but I
think the whole purpose behind it of And again, opinions
(29:56):
are like usholes, so like my opinion, you may not
agree with, which I'm a with, but I think banning
social media for people under sixteen is taking responsibility away
from educators, from people like myself, parents, teachers, organizations to
not properly educate and inform young children. It's taking the
(30:17):
responsibility away from that, and I think the responsibility does
lie on us people over eighteen, people in those areas
that have the ability.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
To I think it's taking away from that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I will never I know that I have people under
sixteen watching my content, and I'm not going to go, yeah, girls,
go drink a fucking cruiser.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Never going to be doing that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I know that I have the responsibility to be promoting
safe things online.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm not going to go tell them to do something stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, and I know you wouldn't, but there's some kind
of reckless creators out there. Say this goes ahead and
there's no longer anyone under sixteen on social media. I
think people are going to start posting with the mindset of, oh, well,
the kids aren't going to see it, so let's go mond.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Honestly, my brain would probably think like that too.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I'm not going to then post that, but it would
be in the back of my mind being like, oh, no,
one the under sixteen is happening in there, so.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
They all know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, and there's some lots worse people than.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I
really don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But I'll argue with and for you.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, I want to finish on a big one. This
is multifaceted. Are you watching Big Brother?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I'm not watching Big Brother, but I do think I
would be really good on it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think so too. I've genuinely thought this.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think I would be.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I think you'd go a bit stir crazy, but I
think it'd make great tea.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, I'd be so crazy because I couldn't go over
my walks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, oh my god, I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, because I'm like, come my god, maybe I want
to go on Love Island or something like that, but
I'm like, I can't go with my walks.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I can't remove myself from the situation.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Like Gabby last night, I'm watching Love Island, she went
ape shit, but I'm like, oh my god, like.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would just like want to leave hid under the table.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, it's a Big Brother. I feel like you might
have seen some things. Yes, I'm watching it so I
can fill you in on a lot of the gaps,
but just quick context. Big Brother is like back back
to the OG format. It's a bit shorter, like it
used to go for two to three months. I think
it wraps up next week, so it's only been like
three to four weeks, but it's like twenty four to seven.
(32:26):
You can watch live on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, I've seen the TikTok on my fully pain.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, it's like so good because I grew up on
Big Brother.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah I've never watched it, okay, but I know that
you vote people off.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, you vote to save. So each week the housemates
will vote for three nominees to go up for eviction
and then the Australian public has to save their two favorites.
But I think that was a double elimination last week, right,
so interesting. I do think you'd love it. But the
first thing that is a contestant on their cold Holly. Okay,
(33:02):
everyone's seen Holly. I think seeing this yet so much
a pretty privileged one. Yes, yes, And I don't like
being part of a pylon. I've tried to give her
so many chances, but I just like, I've seen clips
on my social media and I just think she's got
to shovel and she keeps on digging.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I'm like, when is something going to click in her
brain to go I need to shut.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Up and just a little bit of self awareness. And
I know she's got that feedback, but it just hasn't
doesn't brain.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I think she's one of those people that like she
definitely thinks that like there is a hierarchy.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, I don't agree with it. I saw the first
clip of her with the pretty privileged thing.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, so for context, she had a conversation. Obviously, your
all your devices are taken away. You're in a house
with strangers. You're going to talk about pretty much every topic,
every opinion you have around the dinner table. Pretty privileged
got bo Abiola a lesbian And I'm not being rudin anyway.
(34:04):
She describes herself as this way, and I think it's
a bit contactual to the story. But she's a bigger
woman and they're talking about pretty privilege around the table,
and Abiola will also drop the clip right here right now.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Prettier people in society get treated differently.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I don't agree with pretty privilege at all. Yes, there
are privileges that come with being beautiful. I get social anxiety.
You wouldn't think that, but when sometimes a beautiful girl
works into a room, sometimes we don't want to even
be noticed when we walk in the room.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, but I'd rather than people don't give me the
time of day because they think I'm gross.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But do you know what I'm saying, You guys live
an easier life.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
People have called me stuck up sexual life.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
People think I'm gross, and I'll give me the time
of day.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
She's getting a Abiola speaks about her experiences getting yelled
at out of cars, people not wanting to even serve her,
look at her, give her the time of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
She she expressed that it's hard always walking into a
room feeling that people are disgusted at you. I think
that that was like a big thing that she said.
She was like, I feel like people are disgusted by me.
I feel like people think I'm People don't want me there,
they think I'm ugly, They don't give me the time
of day. They don't look at me like they or
(35:20):
they stare like she was like, it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Like she was like, it's so it sucks. Yeah, it
fucking sucks.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And sure we're all in our heads a little bit,
but like people have screaminess at this woman. She lives
this every single day, which is giving insight into until
Holly decided, hey, this is a perfect time to talk
about my experience.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
She then kind of goes.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Being having pretty privilege is not always a positive thing.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
There's so much negative.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well, she opened up and said, I don't believe in
pretty privilege. Yeah, but are pros and cons to it.
Oh yes, okay, it's that sentence.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Come on, okay, I'm going to try to be very
very careful with my words towards Holly. And again, I
don't think someone's experiences with anything in life will take
away from somebody else's. So Abiola has expressed and been
(36:20):
very very vulnerable in her speaking about how she feels
disgusting and how she I think she was pretty much
saying like, I would love to feel pretty. I would
love to feel accepted. I would love to feel pretty.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't feel accepted.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, like to be seen, to be seen and to
be loved and then someone to come in and go mm.
To be seen, to be seen and to be loved
is actually not that good hard act. It's actually really hard.
Like imagine I had to cut I remember, she goes,
I had to cut my hair into a bob because
(36:58):
I was so pretty that like I didn't want to
be seen and I'm I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like shut up.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Like I remember seeing the thing and I was sitting
in my car drinking my morning coffee and I saw
this thing and.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I was just like, no way, as someone I don't
think I'm the prettiest girl. In the world.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But I definitely think I have experienced pretty privilege. I
definitely think, yeah, I'll be straight up like, I'm not
in an egotistical way. I definitely have experienced forms of
pretty privilege. And I know it is a very big thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's very prominent, so important to be aware of it.
Not one hundred percent obviously.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Like one hundred percent, like there was so many forms
of pretty privilege that we don't even realize. And I
remember there was a thing in the year twelve that
I studied. I think it's like an angel effect or
something like that. There's it's called some kind of effect
where you will more likely be liked by society.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Of if a person who's not very socially.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Accepted by society they deem as beautiful, and then someone
who's not deemed beautiful by societal expectations. If you both
go for a job and you both have the same qualifications,
you both have the same level of experience, the prettier
person will be employed.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
The person who is more socially equipped.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Or socially liked by your looks normal wise, you will
be employed. That is just fact, and I'm so sorry
to say, it's just how our brains are wired, and
you cannot say that that is a negative connotation for
pretty privilege and that it is not a thing. It
(38:52):
is and I'm so sorry, and it fucking sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It shouldn't be a thing. It shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
You shouldn't be getting away. I am models. Why do
they get so much more in life? Because why do
crazy rich men want to date models? Yeah, there are
so many pretty privileged things that you see in everyday
life that you're probably not even aware of. And for
(39:21):
someone to express that she has seen it and then
she experiences the opposite and then try to almost relate
to her, you need a big wake up call.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Like I don't know, Like I don't even know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It just like makes me so I don't know, Like
I'm like, I have firsthand witnessed forms of pretty privilege.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, it's not a perfect conversation. So I don't think
you can ever say something about it and think I've
hit every market. I've said the perfect thing, because it's unfair.
It's a very imperfect kind of system. Was reading a
few quotes which I really liked around this, and that's
a pretty privilege exists, and so does the discomfort of
(40:07):
talking about it, which I think is so valid. Like
I even remember an interview with Dua Lipa. She got
asked about it, and when the interview was published, she
kind of dismissed it, and she actually emailed the journalists
like two days after and she's like, I'm so sorry.
I actually do want to come back with my thoughts.
If I had enough time, i'd read it. But something
to the extent of like it's something I've been really
(40:31):
uncomfortable in ever looking at accepting because I don't want
to discount all the years of hard work thinking I
got there because I'm pretty Yeah, but I totally accept
that it's helped me along the way.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I definitely think it gives you, not an upper hand necessarily,
but it does help you boost Like there is a
certain thing of like, yeah, you don't want to discredit
your hard work and just be like I just got
here because I was. There is hard work and determination
that goes into things to be making you successful, but
(41:06):
to be liked is to be seen, and you are
more likely to be seen because you're an attractive woman.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, and even the job example you brought up, it's like,
even if it doesn't mean the prettier person gets a job.
It's just people are a lot more receptive to that person.
They're probably gonna be like, ah, she seems a lot
more nice, or they probably.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Face more friendly approach assumptions.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
About her lifestyle, saying she's social and active, whereas someone
bigger absolutely could even be more active than someone skinnier
than them. But it's just like of face value, people
make these very shallow assumptions. Yes, and we need to
get so much better.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, Like, I think with the stereotype of like, and
I can give an example of like as someone who
does influencing and yes, again, like I'm a white pretty.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You're a pretty girl.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I'm socially accepted, like I don't. I don't firsthand experience
forms of discrimination towards my looks. I then struggle with
people thinking I'm dumb, and that really sucks because I
feel like sometimes you have to go over and above.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh, some people think I'm a bitch.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I think sometimes I then go over and above to
prove that I'm nice and prove that I'm not dumb.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
But like, I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Go It's really hard for me because I need to
prove to people that I'm smart, like I don't. That
doesn't even cross my mind. And like back to the
TikTok Awards thing, like when I said before, I can't
speak on behalf of women or people of color who
have experienced first hand discrimination at those events because I
can't speak.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
On your experience. I have never experienced that, so I'm
not going.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
To speak on your behalf and say, yeah, I know
how it feels.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I don't know how it feels.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
So for Holly to speak on a behalf and try
to relate like yeah, yeah, I know how it feels.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
No you don't.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, it was almost like a catch as well. It's
like oh yeah, yeah, but the putting her problems above
hers and I think as women and just society, like
it should be a one whole conversation because in the
famous sizes of Holly, there are cons to pretty privilege,
Like two women can be absolutely beautiful and in very
(43:30):
different and opposite ways experienced discrimination because of their good
looks as well. So it's like something women should be
banding together about. I think Holly made it us verst them.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yeah, and I think Holly should have gone like I
feel sorry for you that you feel that type of
way in societal groups. And when you walk into a room,
the first thing that she should have said is you're
beautiful the.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Way you are.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh my god. The whole conversation is like, can you
just tell her she's beautiful so she knows you're on
her side? Yeah, but I don't know if she was.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
No, she didn't, And like, that's the first thing you
should go, You're beautiful just the way you are. Yeah,
you should feel accepted, you should feel welcome in every
room that you walk into.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Like it's the same thing of like when your friend goes, oh,
I feel really fat today, you're not gonna go Yeah,
you look it.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, you sympathize, and its basic human empathy. Really, and
I just think Holly in this Big Brother thing, I
think she has really changed as a person. I think
she's grown and then been held responsible for a lot
of things that she says and does because some of
the stuff is quite controversial. Even the way that she's
(44:36):
treating that guy that she's hooking up with.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, well, age gap. I was like, I feel like
we've run out of time, but let's quickly address it.
Holly's thirty one, Colin's twenty one. No one's talking about it.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh interesting, Yeah, I think, yeah, it's interesting because I
think he has like expressed that he's never felt good enough,
that like no pretty person would ever look at him,
and it goes down to that stuf and he.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Feels less than.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Her and just like he'd never be given a shot
in the real world. Makes me so sad and like
even when he expresses that to her, she's never just
simply no, it's like, oh, why would you think that.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, it's like feeding her ego a little bit away
when he like, yeah, I don't know. I don't think
Collie's a bad person, but I think she's been stuck
in her ways for a very very long time. And
whence and some people are I know firsthand that some
people in your life, like you're almost you'd rather not
say anything because confronting them and holding them accountable. With
(45:41):
certain people, you're like, it's not worth the battle, Like
even literally on Ossie Shaw, for example, if you guys
are watching Ossie Shaw, like people are like, I'm so
scared to approach her because I know she comes firing
back that it's like it's not actually worth the battle.
But then holding those people responsible is really important because
I think they do want to learn and they do
want to be held responsible, but.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
It's hard and they sadly get away with it because
it's so sticky.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I think it's really interesting and I hope Holly learns
and I think she's learnt a lot from her experience
with Big Brother, and I think everyone needs to learn,
and you're never too old to learn and change your ways.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So good luck, Holly, the Best Girl, all the best
girly and Big Brother.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
If you're taking people next season, I'm happy to do
that as long as you've got a walking pat in there. Really,
I think that is a wrap for today's episode, very
very opinionated episode. I'm worried I'm going to experience a
little bit about Flash. But let me know what you
guys think. Send me feedback please. I always like to
(46:45):
know when.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You guys are listening and your opinions.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
And we have the rest of the year planned pretty
much locked in. But next year we are all ears. Yes,
whatever you want, we'll do for you, unless it's controversial,
we may have to yea all might yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening and I'll
see you guys next Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Bye bye
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