November 12, 2025 • 37 mins
The start of firearms deer season with State of Indiana deer biologist Joe Caudell and Guy Relford.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I don't know if there is a better Saturday throughout
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the entire calendar than today. Welcome to the Indiana Outdoor Show.
I your host, Brian Pointer. But more importantly, it is
the opener of the twenty twenty five deer firearm season.
Literally thousands of people spreading around Indiana and it is
it's hard to describe unless you know what I'm talking about.
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If you know, you know right, deer camps, hunting camps,
reunions of friends, family, all getting together with their great
traditions comes together this weekend. We've had a wonderful early
archery season and a lot of deer. I've seen great
pictures already. We're going to visit a little later in
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the show. What would be an opening weekend if we
didn't have our state dear biologist Joe Caddell joining us.
Joe is very very well respected around the country from
his peers. We're so fortunate to have him as our
dear biologist. He's going to talk about what people can see.
Of course, new license system in place, hopefully you've bought
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early and often, and we have some new bag limits
and not county quotas anymore. Just to be paying attention to.
Hopefully you've got your regulation book with you. If you
have any questions, we're going to find out if you
do what you need to do to get the answers
that you need in your hunting camp this weekend. But
we're going to kick things off with one of my
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favor favorites, Guy Ralford, known as the Gun Guy our
home studio WIBC. He has an incredibly popular Saturday afternoon
show by that title, and we've had some high profile
reasons in Indiana to talk about a very important law
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which is called the Castle doctrine in Layman's term. Guy
is going to give us some explanation on what that
looks like, so stick with that. Plus we're going to
find out about holiday gift packs. Yep, it's holiday season.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. Our good friend Guy
Ralford is on hold. When we come back, we're going
to get this thing started. Don't go anywhere in well,
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the Indian Outdoor Show. It's the biggest of the year
for many many people, including myself. It's the opening of
firearms season or right of passage for so many that
is filled with traditions. But we like this tradition. Every
Saturday morning, kicking off your weekend, whether it's opening weekend
or it's any other weekend. And I your host, and
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of course we're sponsored and brought to you by our
great friends at Indiana Donor Network Driven to Save Lives
dot org. That's the number two. But you can always
do that when you sign up to be an organ
and tissue donor, when you can buy your hunting and
fishing license. And as many probably are aware, and we've
been reminding people brand new system in Indiana to buy
licenses online. It's going to be state of the art,
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but might just take a minute or two longer than
what you're used to. So as they say in Chicago,
go early, go often. The state need your money. I
am so thrilled. I'm always anxious when we visit with
our good friend Guy Ralford, the Gun Guy, wildly successful
podcast radio program on our home station here in Annapolis
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on Saturdays. And Guy first and foremost, it's been a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Have you been been well? A little busier than I
care to be. It's this old age, but that's all right.
It keeps me out of trouble and working hard. So
hope you're doing well too, Brian.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I appreciate that as always. You're truly one of my
favorites because usually when we have opportunities to chat about
your organization, the two A Project, which is one of
Indiana's finest, and your expertise and constitutional knowledge of the
Second Amendment second to none. Wow, I didn't even meet
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that to sound like a bad radio cliche, but look
what just happened. You truly are one of Indiana's leaders.
You've helped author many laws here in the state. But
we had a recent incident that has captured media attention here.
But this issue of the castle doctrine. We've talked about
this in Indiana a lot, but there's a lot of
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folks out there, including myself. I have been the beneficiary
of coming to your gunlock class in the past, and
I highly encourage whenever you schedule those folks listen to
me and go and find when and how you can
get knowledgeable, because just because you possess legally a gun,
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you have to know the law and this castle doctrine.
What is that that so many people are talking about
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Sure, well, Indiana's self defense statue And if you mind
wants to look it up, you can just google this
and it'll come right up. It's thirty five dash forty
one dash three dash two is the statute number. Just
put that into Google, it'll pull right up. You can
read the whole thing. But it's divided up into several
sections that deal with a law of self defense in
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Indiana under different circumstances. And for instance, Section C is
what I call the general self Defense Provision that talks
about when you're just fight and using force and self defense,
and specifically when you're justified and using deadly force in
self defense no matter where you might be. That applies
out in public, you know, wherever you might be in Indiana,
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that's the section that applies. There's also section D, as
in Delta, that deals specifically with being in your home
and when you're justified in using force, including deadly force,
to defend yourself defend your home. And we call section
D the Castle Doctrine that that that term simple certainly
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doesn't appear anywhere in the statute, but we call it
the Castle Doctrium because it deals with with defending your
home and and and it's different, it's different than the
general self Defense Provision in the self Defense Law in
that generally out in public from walking down the street.
The only time I'm justified in using deadly force is
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if I reasonably believe that I'm preventing serious bodily injury
to me or another person, or if I'm preventing the
commission of a forcible felony. A forcible felony, that's a
felony committed to the use or threat of force, and
our robbery, a rape, something like that. And that's what
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applies out in general. In public and elsewhere. At home
the rules are very very different, and in your home
you don't need to fear injury. There's nothing in the
quote unquote Castle Doctrine provision of the self defense law
that makes you say you need to say, oh, well
they had a weapon, or oh I thought he was
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going to kill me, or oh I thought he was
going to seriously hurt my family. You can use reasonable force.
And this is an exact quote of the statute. A
person is justified and using reasonable force, including deadly force,
and does not have a duty to treat and we'll
come back and talk about that line in a minute,
but does not have a duty to retreat if the
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person reasonably believes that that force, meaning deadly force. That
force is necessary to prevent or to terminate an unlawful
entry into or attack on the person's dwelling. Now goes
on talks about curtilage, which is a a misunderstood term
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and actually occupied motor vehicle. We extend our castle doction
in Indiana to your just be your car if that's occupied.
But in terms of the dwelling part, that's a castle
docker And as you heard of me going through that,
there was no requirement that you know, oh I was
going to get hurt or oh they had a weapon.
I can simply defend my home against either either an
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unlawful entry or attack on my dwelling. And the word
prevent is in there, and that's very important. A lot
of people misunderstand that and say, oh, well, person has
to cross the threshold of your home before deadly force
is justified. And that's not true at all, because the
word prevent is in the statue. So somebody's trying to
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get in, or I reasonably believe someone's trying to get in,
I can prevent that. Unlawful entry has to be unlawful.
In other words, they're uninvited. They don't have a legal
right to be there, their names on them, the deed
or the least. I haven't given them a key. So
if I reasonably believe they're entering my home unlawfully, I
can use reasonable force, including deadly force, to prevent that
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unlawful entry. So in a nutshell, and I probably talk
about that for another forty five minutes or so in
my class. But in a nutshell, that's what the Castle
doctrine says, and that's how it's different from the general
rules of self defense.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guy Ralford the gun guy with us, and I always
am appreciative of your time and so valuable. The law
is always but then the details come into play, and
anytime that someone carries a firearm lawfully, the decision to
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make these uh actions of defense or whatever comes so quickly.
Knowing what your rights are is very important. But when
when you're there in that moment, knowing what you need
or should do. I took away from your class. If
you're going to pull your gun from a holster, the
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consequences aren't necessarily they're dramatic, so you have to be
if you're not going to plan to use it, don't
pull it out. And at the end of the conversation,
we this is what keeps lawyers like you in business
and thankfully defending those who have administered this law and
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many others in practical use. But when you're teaching these classes,
and as I know you said you could take an
hour to do it, what is your general takeaway for
people when you know they're faced with in a conversation,
for example, and they're trying to have this conversation with
somebody else, people can tend to be a little flippant
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about what that law actually means. What's your takeaway to
people in your class and what do you want people
to hear today about this doctrine and the others when
it comes to self defense.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh yeah, well, you know, as I've been teaching for many,
many years, and I've even made this point a thousand
times in actual shooting classes, self defense classes which has
been really ought to be a tool of last resort
that you only go to win. In fact, it's absolutely
necessary to defend yourself, defend another innocent person, defend your home.
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But a gun is not to bluff, it's not to intimidate,
it's not to win an argument. Not to be a
tough guy or you know, tough lady. It's a tool
of last resort because of how serious the consequences are.
At the same time, if someone life is if their
life is truly in jeopardy, or they really have that
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reasonable belief that someone going lawfully entering their home. You know, also,
the law gives us the ability to defend ourselves and
defend our homes, and that's important, and that didn't come about,
you know, by accident. The legislature thought that through, and
even the opening segment of the self Defense Statute that
I mentioned earlier talks about how Indiana recognizes the sanctity
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of a person's home and their ability to defend themselves
wherever they might be, particularly in their home where they
have every right to feel safe and secure, and where
they have every right to prevent people from making them
lawful entry because of that sanctity that not only I
think we all believe and in terms of our homes,
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but that the law absolutely recognizes and respects as well.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I know that we've talked about your show on home
station WIBC here in Indianapolis, and I recall recently that
you had a very special guest, Barry Todd, who wrote
a book about this explain how that conversation took place
and what did people learn? And I know we don't
have the time to go into all of it, but
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this is the importance of this type of dialogue that
you provide through your show.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I got just a ton
of feedback and response to that show. And I've had
my show for ten years now a little over and
I think I got a more overwhelming response to that
than any show I've ever done. And because very Todd
is a guy who was in Yuma, Arizona, and just
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out for an evening of cocktails and karaoke with his
wife and friends, just to go out and have a
good time, and a very big, aggressive, drunk at this
bar where the client and his wife were singing karaoke
and just trying to have a good time, decided he
was going to make advances on my client's wife and
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then got very threatening and physical with my client and
at one point my client He's not really wasn't my client.
I fell into that mode with Barry Todd and the
author of and by the way, his book is called
Stand Your Ground, One Man's Self Defense A Nightmare and
it's worth a read. They sent me a courtesy copy.
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I read it before the interview, and it's fascinating and
it's a little traumatizing, but suffice it to say that
they Barry and this this drunk guy that towered over
Barry got into a physical physical altercation instigated by the
drunk aggressor. Barry ends up using a gun to defend himself,
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shoots the other guy, who survived, but he was seriously hurt.
Barry got prosecuted for a tempted murder and multiple counts.
I believe it was like criminal reckless sense with a
deadly weapon, and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, had
to face a civil lawsuit out of the whole thing,
went through years of criminal prosecution and civil litigation, all
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for defending himself, primarily because of a hyper aggressive prosecutor
who just seemed to want to go after Barrier. I
respect of the law of the law and the facts,
and that's a reader's digest version, but the specifics are
just amazing. I mean, Barry was a multi year veteran.
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He retired after twenty some years as an army ranger,
had established his own successful investment firm that had offices
all across the country, had a very successful business and
was looking at losing all of it, including his liberty
for several decades, by going to prison because of having
used a gun in self defense. So it was an
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eye opener and there were a lot of lessons to
be learned, and it was interesting for me teaching the
class that I teach, plus practicing law in this area,
because a lot of things I say, like don't make
statements to the police until you've had a chance to
calm down and your attorney's president. Barry learned that the
hard way because he went a different direction, and so
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many of the real life scenarios that I've dealt with
in my cases, plus the topics that I teach in
my classes, he lived those things and they didn't all
go his way, and so there were a lot of
really important lessons in that. People can find that podcast.
By the way, if you're the WIBC page, go to
shows and then the gun Guy. You go back a
couple of weeks, and I only have a show once
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a week, so it's easy to scroll back and interview
with Barry Todd when it was Yeah, I was about
ninety minutes of my show, but it was fascinating and
a lot of people I think enjoined us a lot
and learned from it as I did.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well. We always learned from you, and we appreciate not
only you're leading the two A project, which I encourage
people to join. Your teaching. You're out there, you're defending
and the constitutional rights of gun ownership is so important
for people to understand. And I would be remiss if
I didn't wish you a happy belated birthday, my friend.
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Oh yeah, and I know you've always got big celebrations,
but I was a little late. But you know you're
on now and I appreciate the insight and wisdom read
that book, follow and listen to Guy on Saturday evenings,
and we look forward to having you back another time.
Guy Ralford. Always great to visit with you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Thanks so much, Brian. If people want to follow me
on Twitter too, I'm just at Guy Ralford, So thanks
so much, Brian. I always an honor to be here
on Indiana Outdoors.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Go out and do, protect and serve, my friend. Appreciate you.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. I am your host.
We're going to be back. We're going to visit with
Joe Caudell State Dear Biologists. It's Opening weekend. We're going
to be back right after this in Indian Outdoors rolls
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on on this very very special weekend. I am your host,
Brian Pointer, and as many of these as we've done
twenty seven to be exact, over the years, Opening weekend
never is, never disappoints. So many people start planning for
deer season at the end of the last season, and
it's coming back and a lot of folks taking to
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field and forest maybe for the first time this fall.
New things to think about. We have a new license
system in the state of Indiana that's state of the
art and might take a step or two beyond what
you're used to. So here we are opening morning. I've
been saying for weeks, do it early, but go ahead
and do it, but make sure that you give yourself
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a little extra time. So I invited our good friend
Joe Caudell State Dear Biologists to welcome him to the
Indiana Outdoor Show. And Joe, I know everybody thinks that, well,
your year just started, which is far from the truth,
because this is where you get to enjoy the fruits
of your labor. And we've had some interesting things in
Indiana this year as you've been managing our wild deer population.
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First and foremost, thanks for being here. How have you
been and what can people look forward to? Is it
going to be a good season?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think so. Yeah, glad to be here again this
morning and looking at the harvest numbers on line, right
on track with you last few years. So you know,
I'm thinking we're probably going to have a pretty good
season this year.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So we have had some reductions in the quotas in
certain places due to EHD and some other disease issues,
but this is such a wonderful, joyful time of the year,
people getting together, celebrating traditions, bringing people together that haven't
seen each other maybe since last year season, and all
in all, we should have a wonderful couple of weeks
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here during the gun season. And anything that you would
like to talk about, because I know EHD and chronic
wasting disease and others have been first and foremost in
people's minds, especially yours, and we've talked to you over
the last year about that. What what do people need
to be aware of?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I mean, you know, probably one of the biggest things
with EHD is that if folks are out hunting or
they've come back in from hunting and they're listening to this,
and if they were in some of those counties where
we've lowered the bag limits like Jennings and Martin, you know,
don't be discouraged that maybe you didn't see near as
many deer as you've seen in previous years. It'll take
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a few years for those counties to come back up,
and we're looking at that and looking at you know,
future bag limits and you know, things for the recovery.
But you know, these populations that we've seen in Franklin County,
they have bounced back pretty well, you know, there on
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track to have another higher year than previous years, but
it will just take a little bit of time. So
you know, just don't be discouraged. Or if you've got
somewhere else you can hunt this year rather than you know,
some of those counties that were lord you might want
to do that if you're hunting in an area that
you know was affected by EHD, because in some parts
of those counties they're probably figned. But I just want
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to make sure folks don't get discouraged if they haven't
had a good season.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
In those years.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well you'll hear about it, you know, when we sell
a quarter million licenses a year or more of deer
hunters out there, and I love the community, are hunting
community and passion. To say the least, opinions are rampant.
But I have been so pleased, and I know most
hunters would agree with this, that managing our deer population
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has had dramatic success. I have seen more quality deer,
more successful. We've had quotas, we've had people seeing deer.
But you're right, it's like anything else. There's ebbs and
flows to that. But I think by and large outstanding
work by you as biologists and all the people that
work on deer management. So words of encouragement always appreciated
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by me. But it is a special time of the
year for people, traditions, people listening right now, maybe sitting
in their diner on their way to their tree stands
and fields wherever they may be going. Is such an
important part. The cultural social part of this is so
enjoyable for so many people, and I know that you
like to see that as well. Will people be out
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monitoring the different places physically this year for deer donations
for testing, Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So this year, because of that positive deer that we
had done in Posey County last year, we're actually going
to have some of our biologists out in like you know,
Posey County and VanderBurg and Gibson and some of those
places right there, and if hunters are looking for a
place to have like they're dear tested for CWD down
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in that area, We've got a lot of cooperating We've
got some cooperating processors, we've got some cooperating taxidermists, we've
got biologists who are going to be manned stations. Of course,
we've got somebody down we've got drop off coolers at
like Covey Lake. But all of that can be found
online on our CWD page if folks are interested in
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in finding out where they can do.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That at well, we have a new license system in
the state. I know our Director of Division Efficient Wildlife, Amanda,
has been preaching this for months. Any feedback from consumers
about the new system buying license.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Not really on on on my end. You know, we
get a lot of questions on our Dear Info line
about a lot of times about the new hunting regulations
and about like what license they can buy and and
you know, trying to understand the little bit of difference
like between the old quota system and the new bag
limit system. But yeah, we don't get a ton of
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feedback on the on the new license system. You know,
people use try to figure out what life is they
actually need.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, we've also people need to be paying attention. And
the best friend right now is a hunting guidebook that
stays with me in my car and have one at
home and is always around a dear camp because questions
do come up. And you mentioned that that hotline. Is
that available this weekend?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Absolutely, yeah, we will have people manning the phones in
case they need to get a hold of somebody. And
so that number is it's pretty easy. You can look
it up online. It's in the Hunt Guide And to
be honest, I'm stalling a second Hunt Guide if you
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could tell that or not. But yeah, they can call
eight one two three three four three seven nine. But yeah,
we'll have people monitoring that. And you know, somebody doesn't
pick up right away, just leave a message and we'll
have people will actually be getting back to folks this
weekend if they need help.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, Joe, we appreciate all that you do three hundred
and sixty four days a year, and now you get
to enjoy the I hope the wonderful feedback. And I
know that you rely on hunter input and feedback and
comments and you take those very seriously. So that work.
Hopefully we'll be rewarding for a lot of folks and
putting venison in the freezer. Anything. Final words from our
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state dear biologist Joe Caudel today, I would.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Say the last thing is, remember every year we send
out that deer survey at the end of the dear
last deer season, so like right around the first of February,
So you know, give us that feedback, tell us you
know what you saw, what your experience was, what you
think we should be doing with deer management. But that's
that's the time to do it. Is as soon as
the season wraps up, we get that sent out and
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so just you know, really be on the look out
for that and participate in that because that's where we
collect that hunter feedback and anybody stayed back for that matter, well.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Joe, we do appreciate you, and I know that hunters
and all of our law enforcement officers who are out there.
You're a biologist busy time of the year for you.
We appreciate your gracious giving us some of your time
and we'll be back in touch with you, maybe even
before the end of the season to see how things
are going. Always an open phone of things you want
messages out here. So thanks for all you do. Joe.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Absolutely good talking y'all YouTube.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show, so very exciting. However,
we got Christmas just around the corner. Gift ideas, Yeah,
I got that answer for you coming up right after this.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What a great show, my word, no better way to
kick things off this opening weekend of Firearm Deer Season
twenty twenty five. I too, will be out in the
woods here a little later, and I know many many
thousands of people sharing wonderful traditions and hopefully success and
putting some of that great venison protein in their freezers.
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It was just so great to visit with Guy Ralford
at the start of this show. Whenever we can get
a few minutes with Guy, it's always important for me
and Joe Caddell our state dear biologists. Wishing all hunters
well and of course safety and some good practical advice,
but you know, good practical advice is what we do
here on Indiana Outdoors. And while you're up in your
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tree stands, when you're talking to your buddies at the
hunting camp, I'm sure Christmas is going to be on
the conversation list and some good ideas. Chris Fouk joins us.
He is with our Department of Natural Resources. Chris, as always,
Indiana Department of Natural Resources has some great gift pack
and I have given these in the past, and seems
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the feedback I get consistently seems so overwhelmingly positive. But
what can folks look forward to? And first and foremost,
welcome to Indiana Outdoors and how you been?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Thank you very much for having me. I've been great,
Thank you very much. Yeah, we have our Indiana State
Parks Holiday gift packs that have launched here within the
last couple of weeks. It's an amazing program that we've
run yearly for at least the last decade, where folks
are able to purchase the gift pack and give to
friends and family or keep from themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So I love these and it doesn't matter. Here's what
I found. I've given to these to clients and family
members out of state, but they have loved the Outdoor
Indiana magazine, which is one of my favorite anticipated magazines
that I get, plus again in gift certificates, et cetera.
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What's included in these and how do people go about
buying them and what's the package look like this year?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, so the package comes with our twenty twenty six
entrance pass so we have our standard entrance passes. We
also have golden hoosiers, and then for those folks that
may be out of state, we have non resident passes
versions available as well. They come with either a sixty
five dollars gift card or one hundred dollars gift card
depending on which you choose in your choices for the
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Indiana State Park inns or for camping. And then all
of them come with a subscription to Outdoor Indiana Magazine.
And it's a great pack that saves you at least
twenty seven dollars depending on which pack versus buying them
all separately.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Chris foucus with us, and you do a lot of
things and social media and advertising and oversee the retail portion.
And I tell you I've never been disappointed with giving
gifts from our state park ins every time I go
to an end, it seems like I buy something new,
So good work on that. But these are so easy
for people to to do. And as I said, I've
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found that people out of state enjoy these. I have
a brother that lives in Cincinnati and he has taken
advantage of the State Park INDs gift cards. They love
the Outdoor Indiana magazine and people still to this day
when they get those copies of Outdoor Indiana have said
you're you know, four or five six times a year.
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They always remind me how appreciative they were of that
gift because it's just stunning. Outdoor Indiana magazine is award
winning and truly one of those that sits out on
a coffee table. So you put these bundles together and
people are pretty darn.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Happy, we like to think. So. Yeah, they're one of
our biggest selling items of the holiday season. And since
they're limited, we only offer them through December thirty first,
so it's good to get your order in quickly so
we can get a mail to you and we can
either have them shift directly to your house or to
your friends and family if you like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, the other thing that let's not I push this
let's just say I encourage people to buy the state
park annual passes. There's no better dollars spent than when
you're traveling around. Maybe you're on a little road trip
somewhere and you realize you have your annual park pass
to go and experience a different state park, whether it's
watching the progress of the new inn being built up
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at Potato Creek, or the newly opened and remodeled Spring
Mill State Park, or all of the great parks and
properties that we have around the state of Indiana. That
entrance pass is so important, and I know it's important
to you financially, but I just like having it to
know I can just drive in into time manywhere I want.
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So I know you're a big fan of that too.
And can you buy just the state park annual passes
online and give them as gifts?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You can, Yeah, so if you don't want the holiday
gift packs, you can buy the entrance passes themselves. So
you can buy gift cards either for camping or for
the inns, and those are good for more than just
the inns themselves. You can also utilize them in the inns,
restaurants and gift shops too, So folks maybe are local
to one, they can pop on into our restaurants and
utilize those gift cards there. And then we also sell
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Outdoor Indiana by itself as well, and either a one
or two year subscription.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And I am a big fan. Well, Chris, when you're
not schleppin gift packs at Christmas, what do you do
for our department A natural resources?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I am the business Development Development Manager for the Indiana
State Park ins, So we handle our retail operations of
our online stores. We help with the gift shops at
all the inns, We do all the online social media,
and all of our other advertising, whether they be in print, radio, television,
all over well.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Being the business development manager for our state parks is
probably one of the jobs. It sells itself because I
love our state parks. I'm a big fan and I
really appreciate all the great work that you and your
staff do to highlight the great parks and properties we have.
In twenty twenty six, get an annual gift pass, Get
an annual subscription to Outdoor Indiana magazine, Get a gift card,
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whatever it is, Get these bundles in there online one
more time. Where can people go to get those.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
So they can go to shop Instateparks dot com. So
that's shop as an Indiana Stateparks dot Com.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, we appreciate you, Chris. Have a great rest of
the holiday season. We'll probably be talking about this again,
but thanks for being a part of it on this
big weekend here in Indiana. Have a great one.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Awesome, Thank you very much for having me have a
good day.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
You too, my pleasure. Indiana Outdoors not to be confused
with Outdoor Indiana Magazine that we just talked about. Thank you, Chris.
Thanks to all of our staff that works over at
the Department of Natural Resources. Busy time of the year,
busy time in the Indiana Outdoor Studio. We're going to
be back right after this. And what a great show.
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Exhausting only because I was so happy. It is the
Indian Outdoor Show. I your host, Brian Pointer, And whether
you're off the field and forest today for deer Season
Firearms twenty twenty five, as I will be here very shortly,
or you're just a big fan and it's a great
way to kick off another Saturday for you. We're here
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for you and we appreciate that. I the feeling of
an opening weekend is special, and I've said this, if
you know what I'm talking about, you know you can't
explain it to someone. It's really one of those that
you have to feel. So a lot of folks are
waking up, whether it's a deer camp or it's your
favorite restaurant right now. We appreciate the work that are
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hunters are putting in out there, spending time in the
field and forest wherever that may be loading their freezers
with some great venison this weekend and beyond. Some new
changes as we've been talking about. Many people probably are
aware a new license purchase system here in the state,
which is cutting edge, may require it's step or two
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by early and often the state needs your money. But
more importantly, we want to make sure you don't do
anything that's going to get you in trouble. We want
to also recognize law enforcement around the state of Indiana.
Our conservation officers working very, very hard. As one of
my favorites has said repeatedly on the show, they're not
out to steal your fun pie, but preaching safety, making
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sure you have your licenses and you do everything right.
Respect the men and women that patrol and are out
there to make sure you can go back and do
this again tomorrow. And to protect our wildlife, let's not
forget that. So we always say on Indiana Outdoors, which
you're about ready to hear in a little bit, remember
the Turning into Poacher program one eight hundred tip idn R.
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If you see something, here's something not sure what to
do with it, give it to the law enforcement tip
line one eight hundred tip idn R. Also, if by
now you've had archery season well underway, a lot of
folks have already put venison in their freezer. Remember the
Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry program. Just go online, take your phone,
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which you're going to have with you this weekend, and
if you'd like to donate that free of charge, that
processor in your area through the Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry,
we'll make sure that great protein stays local. Also, holiday
gift packs, can't forget those one of my favorite gifts
to give in the holiday season. We think our department
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for putting those together again. And with that, you know
what I'm going where I'm going. Be safe out there, everybody,
remember to turn into poacher one eight hundred tip I
D n R. And by all men, sure Please be
safe and enjoy what is one of the best weekends
of the entire year. We want you to go back
and do it again, and we want you to come
back next weekend. Have a good one to everybody. Be safe,
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see outside
I don't know if there is a better Saturday throughout
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the entire calendar than today. Welcome to the Indiana Outdoor Show.
I your host, Brian Pointer. But more importantly, it is
the opener of the twenty twenty five deer firearm season.
Literally thousands of people spreading around Indiana and it is
it's hard to describe unless you know what I'm talking about.
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If you know, you know right, deer camps, hunting camps,
reunions of friends, family, all getting together with their great
traditions comes together this weekend. We've had a wonderful early
archery season and a lot of deer. I've seen great
pictures already. We're going to visit a little later in
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the show. What would be an opening weekend if we
didn't have our state dear biologist Joe Caddell joining us.
Joe is very very well respected around the country from
his peers. We're so fortunate to have him as our
dear biologist. He's going to talk about what people can see.
Of course, new license system in place, hopefully you've bought
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early and often, and we have some new bag limits
and not county quotas anymore. Just to be paying attention to.
Hopefully you've got your regulation book with you. If you
have any questions, we're going to find out if you
do what you need to do to get the answers
that you need in your hunting camp this weekend. But
we're going to kick things off with one of my
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favor favorites, Guy Ralford, known as the Gun Guy our
home studio WIBC. He has an incredibly popular Saturday afternoon
show by that title, and we've had some high profile
reasons in Indiana to talk about a very important law
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which is called the Castle doctrine in Layman's term. Guy
is going to give us some explanation on what that
looks like, so stick with that. Plus we're going to
find out about holiday gift packs. Yep, it's holiday season.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. Our good friend Guy
Ralford is on hold. When we come back, we're going
to get this thing started. Don't go anywhere in well,
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the Indian Outdoor Show. It's the biggest of the year
for many many people, including myself. It's the opening of
firearms season or right of passage for so many that
is filled with traditions. But we like this tradition. Every
Saturday morning, kicking off your weekend, whether it's opening weekend
or it's any other weekend. And I your host, and
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of course we're sponsored and brought to you by our
great friends at Indiana Donor Network Driven to Save Lives
dot org. That's the number two. But you can always
do that when you sign up to be an organ
and tissue donor, when you can buy your hunting and
fishing license. And as many probably are aware, and we've
been reminding people brand new system in Indiana to buy
licenses online. It's going to be state of the art,
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but might just take a minute or two longer than
what you're used to. So as they say in Chicago,
go early, go often. The state need your money. I
am so thrilled. I'm always anxious when we visit with
our good friend Guy Ralford, the Gun Guy, wildly successful
podcast radio program on our home station here in Annapolis
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on Saturdays. And Guy first and foremost, it's been a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Have you been been well? A little busier than I
care to be. It's this old age, but that's all right.
It keeps me out of trouble and working hard. So
hope you're doing well too, Brian.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I appreciate that as always. You're truly one of my
favorites because usually when we have opportunities to chat about
your organization, the two A Project, which is one of
Indiana's finest, and your expertise and constitutional knowledge of the
Second Amendment second to none. Wow, I didn't even meet
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that to sound like a bad radio cliche, but look
what just happened. You truly are one of Indiana's leaders.
You've helped author many laws here in the state. But
we had a recent incident that has captured media attention here.
But this issue of the castle doctrine. We've talked about
this in Indiana a lot, but there's a lot of
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folks out there, including myself. I have been the beneficiary
of coming to your gunlock class in the past, and
I highly encourage whenever you schedule those folks listen to
me and go and find when and how you can
get knowledgeable, because just because you possess legally a gun,
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you have to know the law and this castle doctrine.
What is that that so many people are talking about
right now?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Sure, well, Indiana's self defense statue And if you mind
wants to look it up, you can just google this
and it'll come right up. It's thirty five dash forty
one dash three dash two is the statute number. Just
put that into Google, it'll pull right up. You can
read the whole thing. But it's divided up into several
sections that deal with a law of self defense in
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Indiana under different circumstances. And for instance, Section C is
what I call the general self Defense Provision that talks
about when you're just fight and using force and self defense,
and specifically when you're justified and using deadly force in
self defense no matter where you might be. That applies
out in public, you know, wherever you might be in Indiana,
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that's the section that applies. There's also section D, as
in Delta, that deals specifically with being in your home
and when you're justified in using force, including deadly force,
to defend yourself defend your home. And we call section
D the Castle Doctrine that that that term simple certainly
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doesn't appear anywhere in the statute, but we call it
the Castle Doctrium because it deals with with defending your
home and and and it's different, it's different than the
general self Defense Provision in the self Defense Law in
that generally out in public from walking down the street.
The only time I'm justified in using deadly force is
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if I reasonably believe that I'm preventing serious bodily injury
to me or another person, or if I'm preventing the
commission of a forcible felony. A forcible felony, that's a
felony committed to the use or threat of force, and
our robbery, a rape, something like that. And that's what
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applies out in general. In public and elsewhere. At home
the rules are very very different, and in your home
you don't need to fear injury. There's nothing in the
quote unquote Castle Doctrine provision of the self defense law
that makes you say you need to say, oh, well
they had a weapon, or oh I thought he was
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going to kill me, or oh I thought he was
going to seriously hurt my family. You can use reasonable force.
And this is an exact quote of the statute. A
person is justified and using reasonable force, including deadly force,
and does not have a duty to treat and we'll
come back and talk about that line in a minute,
but does not have a duty to retreat if the
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person reasonably believes that that force, meaning deadly force. That
force is necessary to prevent or to terminate an unlawful
entry into or attack on the person's dwelling. Now goes
on talks about curtilage, which is a a misunderstood term
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and actually occupied motor vehicle. We extend our castle doction
in Indiana to your just be your car if that's occupied.
But in terms of the dwelling part, that's a castle
docker And as you heard of me going through that,
there was no requirement that you know, oh I was
going to get hurt or oh they had a weapon.
I can simply defend my home against either either an
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unlawful entry or attack on my dwelling. And the word
prevent is in there, and that's very important. A lot
of people misunderstand that and say, oh, well, person has
to cross the threshold of your home before deadly force
is justified. And that's not true at all, because the
word prevent is in the statue. So somebody's trying to
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get in, or I reasonably believe someone's trying to get in,
I can prevent that. Unlawful entry has to be unlawful.
In other words, they're uninvited. They don't have a legal
right to be there, their names on them, the deed
or the least. I haven't given them a key. So
if I reasonably believe they're entering my home unlawfully, I
can use reasonable force, including deadly force, to prevent that
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unlawful entry. So in a nutshell, and I probably talk
about that for another forty five minutes or so in
my class. But in a nutshell, that's what the Castle
doctrine says, and that's how it's different from the general
rules of self defense.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guy Ralford the gun guy with us, and I always
am appreciative of your time and so valuable. The law
is always but then the details come into play, and
anytime that someone carries a firearm lawfully, the decision to
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make these uh actions of defense or whatever comes so quickly.
Knowing what your rights are is very important. But when
when you're there in that moment, knowing what you need
or should do. I took away from your class. If
you're going to pull your gun from a holster, the
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consequences aren't necessarily they're dramatic, so you have to be
if you're not going to plan to use it, don't
pull it out. And at the end of the conversation,
we this is what keeps lawyers like you in business
and thankfully defending those who have administered this law and
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many others in practical use. But when you're teaching these classes,
and as I know you said you could take an
hour to do it, what is your general takeaway for
people when you know they're faced with in a conversation,
for example, and they're trying to have this conversation with
somebody else, people can tend to be a little flippant
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about what that law actually means. What's your takeaway to
people in your class and what do you want people
to hear today about this doctrine and the others when
it comes to self defense.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh yeah, well, you know, as I've been teaching for many,
many years, and I've even made this point a thousand
times in actual shooting classes, self defense classes which has
been really ought to be a tool of last resort
that you only go to win. In fact, it's absolutely
necessary to defend yourself, defend another innocent person, defend your home.
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But a gun is not to bluff, it's not to intimidate,
it's not to win an argument. Not to be a
tough guy or you know, tough lady. It's a tool
of last resort because of how serious the consequences are.
At the same time, if someone life is if their
life is truly in jeopardy, or they really have that
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reasonable belief that someone going lawfully entering their home. You know, also,
the law gives us the ability to defend ourselves and
defend our homes, and that's important, and that didn't come about,
you know, by accident. The legislature thought that through, and
even the opening segment of the self Defense Statute that
I mentioned earlier talks about how Indiana recognizes the sanctity
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of a person's home and their ability to defend themselves
wherever they might be, particularly in their home where they
have every right to feel safe and secure, and where
they have every right to prevent people from making them
lawful entry because of that sanctity that not only I
think we all believe and in terms of our homes,
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but that the law absolutely recognizes and respects as well.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I know that we've talked about your show on home
station WIBC here in Indianapolis, and I recall recently that
you had a very special guest, Barry Todd, who wrote
a book about this explain how that conversation took place
and what did people learn? And I know we don't
have the time to go into all of it, but
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this is the importance of this type of dialogue that
you provide through your show.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I got just a ton
of feedback and response to that show. And I've had
my show for ten years now a little over and
I think I got a more overwhelming response to that
than any show I've ever done. And because very Todd
is a guy who was in Yuma, Arizona, and just
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out for an evening of cocktails and karaoke with his
wife and friends, just to go out and have a
good time, and a very big, aggressive, drunk at this
bar where the client and his wife were singing karaoke
and just trying to have a good time, decided he
was going to make advances on my client's wife and
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then got very threatening and physical with my client and
at one point my client He's not really wasn't my client.
I fell into that mode with Barry Todd and the
author of and by the way, his book is called
Stand Your Ground, One Man's Self Defense A Nightmare and
it's worth a read. They sent me a courtesy copy.
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I read it before the interview, and it's fascinating and
it's a little traumatizing, but suffice it to say that
they Barry and this this drunk guy that towered over
Barry got into a physical physical altercation instigated by the
drunk aggressor. Barry ends up using a gun to defend himself,
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shoots the other guy, who survived, but he was seriously hurt.
Barry got prosecuted for a tempted murder and multiple counts.
I believe it was like criminal reckless sense with a
deadly weapon, and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, had
to face a civil lawsuit out of the whole thing,
went through years of criminal prosecution and civil litigation, all
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for defending himself, primarily because of a hyper aggressive prosecutor
who just seemed to want to go after Barrier. I
respect of the law of the law and the facts,
and that's a reader's digest version, but the specifics are
just amazing. I mean, Barry was a multi year veteran.
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He retired after twenty some years as an army ranger,
had established his own successful investment firm that had offices
all across the country, had a very successful business and
was looking at losing all of it, including his liberty
for several decades, by going to prison because of having
used a gun in self defense. So it was an
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eye opener and there were a lot of lessons to
be learned, and it was interesting for me teaching the
class that I teach, plus practicing law in this area,
because a lot of things I say, like don't make
statements to the police until you've had a chance to
calm down and your attorney's president. Barry learned that the
hard way because he went a different direction, and so
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many of the real life scenarios that I've dealt with
in my cases, plus the topics that I teach in
my classes, he lived those things and they didn't all
go his way, and so there were a lot of
really important lessons in that. People can find that podcast.
By the way, if you're the WIBC page, go to
shows and then the gun Guy. You go back a
couple of weeks, and I only have a show once
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a week, so it's easy to scroll back and interview
with Barry Todd when it was Yeah, I was about
ninety minutes of my show, but it was fascinating and
a lot of people I think enjoined us a lot
and learned from it as I did.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well. We always learned from you, and we appreciate not
only you're leading the two A project, which I encourage
people to join. Your teaching. You're out there, you're defending
and the constitutional rights of gun ownership is so important
for people to understand. And I would be remiss if
I didn't wish you a happy belated birthday, my friend.
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Oh yeah, and I know you've always got big celebrations,
but I was a little late. But you know you're
on now and I appreciate the insight and wisdom read
that book, follow and listen to Guy on Saturday evenings,
and we look forward to having you back another time.
Guy Ralford. Always great to visit with you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Thanks so much, Brian. If people want to follow me
on Twitter too, I'm just at Guy Ralford, So thanks
so much, Brian. I always an honor to be here
on Indiana Outdoors.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Go out and do, protect and serve, my friend. Appreciate you.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. I am your host.
We're going to be back. We're going to visit with
Joe Caudell State Dear Biologists. It's Opening weekend. We're going
to be back right after this in Indian Outdoors rolls
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on on this very very special weekend. I am your host,
Brian Pointer, and as many of these as we've done
twenty seven to be exact, over the years, Opening weekend
never is, never disappoints. So many people start planning for
deer season at the end of the last season, and
it's coming back and a lot of folks taking to
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field and forest maybe for the first time this fall.
New things to think about. We have a new license
system in the state of Indiana that's state of the
art and might take a step or two beyond what
you're used to. So here we are opening morning. I've
been saying for weeks, do it early, but go ahead
and do it, but make sure that you give yourself
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a little extra time. So I invited our good friend
Joe Caudell State Dear Biologists to welcome him to the
Indiana Outdoor Show. And Joe, I know everybody thinks that, well,
your year just started, which is far from the truth,
because this is where you get to enjoy the fruits
of your labor. And we've had some interesting things in
Indiana this year as you've been managing our wild deer population.
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First and foremost, thanks for being here. How have you
been and what can people look forward to? Is it
going to be a good season?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think so. Yeah, glad to be here again this
morning and looking at the harvest numbers on line, right
on track with you last few years. So you know,
I'm thinking we're probably going to have a pretty good
season this year.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So we have had some reductions in the quotas in
certain places due to EHD and some other disease issues,
but this is such a wonderful, joyful time of the year,
people getting together, celebrating traditions, bringing people together that haven't
seen each other maybe since last year season, and all
in all, we should have a wonderful couple of weeks
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here during the gun season. And anything that you would
like to talk about, because I know EHD and chronic
wasting disease and others have been first and foremost in
people's minds, especially yours, and we've talked to you over
the last year about that. What what do people need
to be aware of?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I mean, you know, probably one of the biggest things
with EHD is that if folks are out hunting or
they've come back in from hunting and they're listening to this,
and if they were in some of those counties where
we've lowered the bag limits like Jennings and Martin, you know,
don't be discouraged that maybe you didn't see near as
many deer as you've seen in previous years. It'll take
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a few years for those counties to come back up,
and we're looking at that and looking at you know,
future bag limits and you know, things for the recovery.
But you know, these populations that we've seen in Franklin County,
they have bounced back pretty well, you know, there on
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track to have another higher year than previous years, but
it will just take a little bit of time. So
you know, just don't be discouraged. Or if you've got
somewhere else you can hunt this year rather than you know,
some of those counties that were lord you might want
to do that if you're hunting in an area that
you know was affected by EHD, because in some parts
of those counties they're probably figned. But I just want
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to make sure folks don't get discouraged if they haven't
had a good season.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
In those years.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well you'll hear about it, you know, when we sell
a quarter million licenses a year or more of deer
hunters out there, and I love the community, are hunting
community and passion. To say the least, opinions are rampant.
But I have been so pleased, and I know most
hunters would agree with this, that managing our deer population
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has had dramatic success. I have seen more quality deer,
more successful. We've had quotas, we've had people seeing deer.
But you're right, it's like anything else. There's ebbs and
flows to that. But I think by and large outstanding
work by you as biologists and all the people that
work on deer management. So words of encouragement always appreciated
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by me. But it is a special time of the
year for people, traditions, people listening right now, maybe sitting
in their diner on their way to their tree stands
and fields wherever they may be going. Is such an
important part. The cultural social part of this is so
enjoyable for so many people, and I know that you
like to see that as well. Will people be out
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monitoring the different places physically this year for deer donations
for testing, Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So this year, because of that positive deer that we
had done in Posey County last year, we're actually going
to have some of our biologists out in like you know,
Posey County and VanderBurg and Gibson and some of those
places right there, and if hunters are looking for a
place to have like they're dear tested for CWD down
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in that area, We've got a lot of cooperating We've
got some cooperating processors, we've got some cooperating taxidermists, we've
got biologists who are going to be manned stations. Of course,
we've got somebody down we've got drop off coolers at
like Covey Lake. But all of that can be found
online on our CWD page if folks are interested in
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in finding out where they can do.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That at well, we have a new license system in
the state. I know our Director of Division Efficient Wildlife, Amanda,
has been preaching this for months. Any feedback from consumers
about the new system buying license.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Not really on on on my end. You know, we
get a lot of questions on our Dear Info line
about a lot of times about the new hunting regulations
and about like what license they can buy and and
you know, trying to understand the little bit of difference
like between the old quota system and the new bag
limit system. But yeah, we don't get a ton of
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feedback on the on the new license system. You know,
people use try to figure out what life is they
actually need.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, we've also people need to be paying attention. And
the best friend right now is a hunting guidebook that
stays with me in my car and have one at
home and is always around a dear camp because questions
do come up. And you mentioned that that hotline. Is
that available this weekend?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Absolutely, yeah, we will have people manning the phones in
case they need to get a hold of somebody. And
so that number is it's pretty easy. You can look
it up online. It's in the Hunt Guide And to
be honest, I'm stalling a second Hunt Guide if you
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could tell that or not. But yeah, they can call
eight one two three three four three seven nine. But yeah,
we'll have people monitoring that. And you know, somebody doesn't
pick up right away, just leave a message and we'll
have people will actually be getting back to folks this
weekend if they need help.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, Joe, we appreciate all that you do three hundred
and sixty four days a year, and now you get
to enjoy the I hope the wonderful feedback. And I
know that you rely on hunter input and feedback and
comments and you take those very seriously. So that work.
Hopefully we'll be rewarding for a lot of folks and
putting venison in the freezer. Anything. Final words from our
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state dear biologist Joe Caudel today, I would.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Say the last thing is, remember every year we send
out that deer survey at the end of the dear
last deer season, so like right around the first of February,
So you know, give us that feedback, tell us you
know what you saw, what your experience was, what you
think we should be doing with deer management. But that's
that's the time to do it. Is as soon as
the season wraps up, we get that sent out and
(25:59):
so just you know, really be on the look out
for that and participate in that because that's where we
collect that hunter feedback and anybody stayed back for that matter, well.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Joe, we do appreciate you, and I know that hunters
and all of our law enforcement officers who are out there.
You're a biologist busy time of the year for you.
We appreciate your gracious giving us some of your time
and we'll be back in touch with you, maybe even
before the end of the season to see how things
are going. Always an open phone of things you want
messages out here. So thanks for all you do. Joe.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Absolutely good talking y'all YouTube.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show, so very exciting. However,
we got Christmas just around the corner. Gift ideas, Yeah,
I got that answer for you coming up right after this.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What a great show, my word, no better way to
kick things off this opening weekend of Firearm Deer Season
twenty twenty five. I too, will be out in the
woods here a little later, and I know many many
thousands of people sharing wonderful traditions and hopefully success and
putting some of that great venison protein in their freezers.
(27:18):
It was just so great to visit with Guy Ralford
at the start of this show. Whenever we can get
a few minutes with Guy, it's always important for me
and Joe Caddell our state dear biologists. Wishing all hunters
well and of course safety and some good practical advice,
but you know, good practical advice is what we do
here on Indiana Outdoors. And while you're up in your
(27:40):
tree stands, when you're talking to your buddies at the
hunting camp, I'm sure Christmas is going to be on
the conversation list and some good ideas. Chris Fouk joins us.
He is with our Department of Natural Resources. Chris, as always,
Indiana Department of Natural Resources has some great gift pack
and I have given these in the past, and seems
(28:04):
the feedback I get consistently seems so overwhelmingly positive. But
what can folks look forward to? And first and foremost,
welcome to Indiana Outdoors and how you been?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Thank you very much for having me. I've been great,
Thank you very much. Yeah, we have our Indiana State
Parks Holiday gift packs that have launched here within the
last couple of weeks. It's an amazing program that we've
run yearly for at least the last decade, where folks
are able to purchase the gift pack and give to
friends and family or keep from themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So I love these and it doesn't matter. Here's what
I found. I've given to these to clients and family
members out of state, but they have loved the Outdoor
Indiana magazine, which is one of my favorite anticipated magazines
that I get, plus again in gift certificates, et cetera.
(28:56):
What's included in these and how do people go about
buying them and what's the package look like this year?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, so the package comes with our twenty twenty six
entrance pass so we have our standard entrance passes. We
also have golden hoosiers, and then for those folks that
may be out of state, we have non resident passes
versions available as well. They come with either a sixty
five dollars gift card or one hundred dollars gift card
depending on which you choose in your choices for the
(29:26):
Indiana State Park inns or for camping. And then all
of them come with a subscription to Outdoor Indiana Magazine.
And it's a great pack that saves you at least
twenty seven dollars depending on which pack versus buying them
all separately.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Chris foucus with us, and you do a lot of
things and social media and advertising and oversee the retail portion.
And I tell you I've never been disappointed with giving
gifts from our state park ins every time I go
to an end, it seems like I buy something new,
So good work on that. But these are so easy
for people to to do. And as I said, I've
(30:07):
found that people out of state enjoy these. I have
a brother that lives in Cincinnati and he has taken
advantage of the State Park INDs gift cards. They love
the Outdoor Indiana magazine and people still to this day
when they get those copies of Outdoor Indiana have said
you're you know, four or five six times a year.
(30:28):
They always remind me how appreciative they were of that
gift because it's just stunning. Outdoor Indiana magazine is award
winning and truly one of those that sits out on
a coffee table. So you put these bundles together and
people are pretty darn.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Happy, we like to think. So. Yeah, they're one of
our biggest selling items of the holiday season. And since
they're limited, we only offer them through December thirty first,
so it's good to get your order in quickly so
we can get a mail to you and we can
either have them shift directly to your house or to
your friends and family if you like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, the other thing that let's not I push this
let's just say I encourage people to buy the state
park annual passes. There's no better dollars spent than when
you're traveling around. Maybe you're on a little road trip
somewhere and you realize you have your annual park pass
to go and experience a different state park, whether it's
watching the progress of the new inn being built up
(31:23):
at Potato Creek, or the newly opened and remodeled Spring
Mill State Park, or all of the great parks and
properties that we have around the state of Indiana. That
entrance pass is so important, and I know it's important
to you financially, but I just like having it to
know I can just drive in into time manywhere I want.
(31:43):
So I know you're a big fan of that too.
And can you buy just the state park annual passes
online and give them as gifts?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You can, Yeah, so if you don't want the holiday
gift packs, you can buy the entrance passes themselves. So
you can buy gift cards either for camping or for
the inns, and those are good for more than just
the inns themselves. You can also utilize them in the inns,
restaurants and gift shops too, So folks maybe are local
to one, they can pop on into our restaurants and
utilize those gift cards there. And then we also sell
(32:15):
Outdoor Indiana by itself as well, and either a one
or two year subscription.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And I am a big fan. Well, Chris, when you're
not schleppin gift packs at Christmas, what do you do
for our department A natural resources?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I am the business Development Development Manager for the Indiana
State Park ins, So we handle our retail operations of
our online stores. We help with the gift shops at
all the inns, We do all the online social media,
and all of our other advertising, whether they be in print, radio, television,
all over well.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Being the business development manager for our state parks is
probably one of the jobs. It sells itself because I
love our state parks. I'm a big fan and I
really appreciate all the great work that you and your
staff do to highlight the great parks and properties we have.
In twenty twenty six, get an annual gift pass, Get
an annual subscription to Outdoor Indiana magazine, Get a gift card,
(33:11):
whatever it is, Get these bundles in there online one
more time. Where can people go to get those.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
So they can go to shop Instateparks dot com. So
that's shop as an Indiana Stateparks dot Com.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, we appreciate you, Chris. Have a great rest of
the holiday season. We'll probably be talking about this again,
but thanks for being a part of it on this
big weekend here in Indiana. Have a great one.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Awesome, Thank you very much for having me have a
good day.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
You too, my pleasure. Indiana Outdoors not to be confused
with Outdoor Indiana Magazine that we just talked about. Thank you, Chris.
Thanks to all of our staff that works over at
the Department of Natural Resources. Busy time of the year,
busy time in the Indiana Outdoor Studio. We're going to
be back right after this. And what a great show.
(34:14):
Exhausting only because I was so happy. It is the
Indian Outdoor Show. I your host, Brian Pointer, And whether
you're off the field and forest today for deer Season
Firearms twenty twenty five, as I will be here very shortly,
or you're just a big fan and it's a great
way to kick off another Saturday for you. We're here
(34:36):
for you and we appreciate that. I the feeling of
an opening weekend is special, and I've said this, if
you know what I'm talking about, you know you can't
explain it to someone. It's really one of those that
you have to feel. So a lot of folks are
waking up, whether it's a deer camp or it's your
favorite restaurant right now. We appreciate the work that are
(35:00):
hunters are putting in out there, spending time in the
field and forest wherever that may be loading their freezers
with some great venison this weekend and beyond. Some new
changes as we've been talking about. Many people probably are
aware a new license purchase system here in the state,
which is cutting edge, may require it's step or two
(35:23):
by early and often the state needs your money. But
more importantly, we want to make sure you don't do
anything that's going to get you in trouble. We want
to also recognize law enforcement around the state of Indiana.
Our conservation officers working very, very hard. As one of
my favorites has said repeatedly on the show, they're not
out to steal your fun pie, but preaching safety, making
(35:45):
sure you have your licenses and you do everything right.
Respect the men and women that patrol and are out
there to make sure you can go back and do
this again tomorrow. And to protect our wildlife, let's not
forget that. So we always say on Indiana Outdoors, which
you're about ready to hear in a little bit, remember
the Turning into Poacher program one eight hundred tip idn R.
(36:06):
If you see something, here's something not sure what to
do with it, give it to the law enforcement tip
line one eight hundred tip idn R. Also, if by
now you've had archery season well underway, a lot of
folks have already put venison in their freezer. Remember the
Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry program. Just go online, take your phone,
(36:27):
which you're going to have with you this weekend, and
if you'd like to donate that free of charge, that
processor in your area through the Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry,
we'll make sure that great protein stays local. Also, holiday
gift packs, can't forget those one of my favorite gifts
to give in the holiday season. We think our department
(36:48):
for putting those together again. And with that, you know
what I'm going where I'm going. Be safe out there, everybody,
remember to turn into poacher one eight hundred tip I
D n R. And by all men, sure Please be
safe and enjoy what is one of the best weekends
of the entire year. We want you to go back
and do it again, and we want you to come
back next weekend. Have a good one to everybody. Be safe,
(37:09):
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