December 3, 2025 • 37 mins
The cold weather is bringing waterfowl to the area along with muskie fishing up north, plus an update from Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, what do you say we get the party started.
It is the festive season, so they say, after Thanksgiving.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. And I am your host,
Brian Pointer, sitting here in downtown Indianapolis in this freezer
that we have had all week. I kind of like it.
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I was really really happy when the snow started flying.
And I know up in the north a lot of
folks got even more than we did here in central Indiana,
but kind of made me in a little early festive
Christmas spirit, burned a lot of wood in the fireplace.
It's just been it's been an exciting start to the
Christmas season. How about for you? You made it through
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the holiday the first one? Now we got a mad dash.
But with this cold weather at this time of the year,
it has made for an interesting dynamic. Meaning just a
couple three weeks ago we were opening weekend of deer
firearm season. It was seventy five degrees and sunny and windy,
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and this week it's been twenty and freezing, with nighttime
temperatures at ten and a lot of snow. So that's Indiana.
But it's created this massive flurry. And I don't mean
I did that was a bad radio cliche. But we
have all these migrating ducks. We got all the migrating
waterfowl moving down and interestingly enough, I don't think it's
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even really started yet because they haven't had a lot
of weather up north where they're moving from. So with that,
who do we go to? We go to our good
friend Jay England England Outdoors. He has been guiding this
week and saw a couple pictures of some banded geese.
Always special. I have never shot a banded goose or duck,
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and two times this week, two different buddies of mine,
of course sent me the jewelry pictures of the banded
geese and the banded ducks, and I was pretty darn
happy about that. For them, that's always exciting. If you've
ever been in a duck blind with a guy or
gal that's been hunting for twenty or thirty years and
their lanyard is just covered with these, it is he's
like the Jeremiah Johnson of waterfowl at that point. It
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is always fun, but it's created a whole new opportunity.
Waterfowl are good. Plus we have a whole bunch of
late season fishing that has been fantastic. I'm sure we'll
talk to Jay about that. We're also going to talk
to a d n R biologist about the muskie stocking
program and this late fall early well we're not late
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fall anymore, are we. This type of this time of year,
the fishing is fantastic, so we're going to talk to
him about opportunities for muskie fishing up in the northern
part of the state and where they stock these. I'm
sure Jay's going to tell us what's going on in
the tributaries with the salmon and all the other good stuff.
So we got that to look forward to. Plus, it's
never too late once again to talk to our friends
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Susie Jordan at the Hoosiers Feeding the hungry, give that
processed a deer to a local community. It's free of
charge for you. We're going to find out about that.
In the late season entry folks don't go anywhere because
Jay Anglin I know he's probably out either hunting or
getting ready and he's always great stories. We're going to
find out what you need to know when we return
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and see Indian Outdoor Show and what a week it's
Indiana Outdoors. We are in the full throttle mode to
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get to Christmas. Let's just take it slow and one
step at a time. Huh. Let's enjoy this Thanksgiving season.
But so many things happening in the great Indiana outdoors.
As you heard me mention at the top of the hour,
we got this great cold spell that came in. We've
got muzzleloader hunting, We've got waterfowl. People are just having
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a gale time so to speak. Here, And I, your host,
Brian Pointer, brought to you by our friends at Indiana
Donor Network Driven to Save Lives dot org, couldn't be
happy to be with you on this beautiful early December.
And you know, whenever I can catch my good friend
Jay Anglin Anglin outdoors, you can guess that this time
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of the year, he's very, very busy. And Jay, I
understand you. Earlier this week, I know you're out. You're
probably out hunting now, but earlier this week, you guys
took advantage of this cold front. How are things up north?
How's my correspondent doing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm doing fine. I'm kind of busy with a little
bit of everything. You know, we got all the snow
like overnight. We went from like he oh man, is
it ever going to get cold to oh you want cold, Yeah,
we got your cold right here, pal and cold at snow.
And I mean I've been shoveling snow and shoveling snow
and shoveling snow. Of course, we get a lot of
lake effects here on top of all the systems snow.
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So in fact, I think my yard is probably the
snowiest place in Indiana. I'm be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I love it well. I know that. You know, opening
weekend of deer season, it was seventy five degrees and
thirty mile an hour winds most across the state. And
here just two weeks later, you know, you got ten
degrees and you've got all kinds of new things happening
in the Great Indiana outdoors. Did it bring some of
the northern birds down.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Did you know? The earlier this week I put out
a migration alert for Canada geese with THEU and talking
to the usual suspects for me, a lot of guides
and biologists around the Great Lakes from far northwest Minnesota
all the way into Ohio and up into Michigan, et cetera.
And the general consensus with Canada's has been they're just
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Canada geese in particular. They just haven't been near the
birds this year. And even a couple biologists that it's
a few as they've ever seen your entire career. But
what's going on is, you know, the warmth we've had
through the fall really extended all the way up into Canada.
And you know, these birds, they just get so healthy
that if they can find open water and food, they
just don't have to move. So this big cold, you know,
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snap that we've had, this Arctic air, you know, has
pushed a lot of ducks down, pushed a lot of
our softer ducks. I like to call them soft ducks,
but you're talking about the gadwall and the widget and
things like that, teal, et cetera. Most of those have
moved down. There's somewhere around. But we still have, you know,
our mallards coming in, our winter mallards, I call him,
because a lot of them winner here and then a
Canadas and no, we're stacking up pretty good too, So
we're in good stuff. We're in good shape in that regard.
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You know, the deer have been moving a lot. It's
been great pretty much. If you want to go shoot
a deer, you just go deer hunting. I mean, that's
how good of sin it was.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Jay Anglin as our guest, I love him this time
in the year. He's out doing what he's doing. It
sounds like you're huffing and puffing, and hopefully that means
you're getting guides, you're getting your self ready for the field. However,
I will tell you what I found interesting this year
is with the opening weekend of firearm season being so
warm and so windy, there was I saw virtually. I
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saw no dose, which is very unusual. Very few deer
were even seen because of the wind and everything. But
I've also been following the numbers and it's been a
darn good year so far across the state, even with
EHD in different places affected, we've had a fantastic season.
And opening weekend at our camp there was a couple
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of young guys that shot their first buck and was
happy for them, but that was it. Those are like
one deer and done. And the other thing I noticed
opening weekend is they're still in some bachelor groups. Two
different groups were just some young bucks four corns together,
which I thought was unusual. What are you seeing up
north because a lot of people are having fun.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You know, it's been there has been some unusual deer behavior,
I will say, and I think again, it's you know,
it could be hormonal due to the weather. I don't know,
but I've never seen you know, quality bucks and you
know mid range bucks say, you know, two year olds whatever,
two and a half year olds, they just keep moving
and like, you know, I'm so used to the lockdown
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and them going underground or burrowing in. As my buddy
Dan says, they just haven't. You know, in some cases
they have for the most part. One when the conditions
are good, they're up on their feet and they are rolling.
So that's cool. And I agree with you on the thing.
I hunt a couple of places that I was really
and I actually went in there with the thought of,
I probably won't even pull the trigger. Actually there's so
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many deer it doesn't really matter at this point. But
you know, I mean, I've been busy guiding Steelhead and
that was too warm. The water was too warm. The
fish just kept migrating, and then all of a sudden,
like a week later, we're down into like a full
blown you know, midwinter pattern, which you know, drastic adjustments
on my part, the largest one being the majority of
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my clients don't want to go fishing when it's twenty
two degrees, which I can't really blame them, but boy,
the fishing has been really good too.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well. I couldn't agree with you more. We're going to
be talking just a little bit later because fall muskie
fishing is wonderful where there's open water. But it sounds
like you've got some open waterways up there and the
steelheader moving in. You do any musky guiding.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I've done a little bit of musky this year, not
nearly as much as usual, again because mostly the weather.
A lot of guys want to fish when it's cooler,
when the fish really put the feedback on, and we
just haven't had the consistent cooled that we need to
get the water TIMPs down. That said, I did go
out one day about a month ago with a couple
of guys and I think we had twelve fish to
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the boat and hooked I think five all on flies.
Oh my god. Yeah, that's good musky fishing right.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
There whereabouts up north in the change?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, that was up here. Yeah, you know, there's
there's where I grew up in Kajasco County. There's a
lot of fish over there, and of course all those lakes,
but you know the whole there's so many muskies and
some of these other lakes. People don't pay much attention,
but they stock them in these lakes and you know,
you don't hear much about it, and all of sudden,
five years later, you've got quality forty five inch plus musky.
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I mean, there's so much food for these fish. They
grow way quicker than the Wisconsin Minnesota fish. So you know,
Indiana's really on the map with muskies and that's pretty cool.
That's all due to the DNR and you know, management
and the clubs putting time and energy and money into it.
It's really impressive to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Jay England is our guest. We always enjoy his commentary.
Let's talk about that article that you were talking about,
or the the migration report. What are some of these
biologists saying, kind of looking here we are mid season,
so to speak, what are there what were the what
were the takeaways from your article that you were writing.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Just just that the Canada goose numbers have been a
little lower than normal and some of these really notoriously
important Canada goose hunting areas and in some cases just
gone like there just haven't been birds. Of course, everybody
has the local birds. But after you start beating on
those around September first and and you kind of rely
on them through October occasionally until some new birds come in.
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You know, they just get super super tough to hunt
unless you just have a spot that's just as good
as it gets. So you know where everybody's waiting for
more birds. So I'm hearing that as far as southern Manitoba,
like around Winnipeg, you know, which holds hundreds of thousands
of geese in that area, there's still birds up there.
And in fact, in some cases they don't eat have
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any snow yet in some of those areas, believe it
or not, So those birds aren't going anywhere soon. Then
you've got sorry, Then you've got you know, Michigan, the
west western Michigan definitely holding a lot of birds. Eastern Michigan, Ohio.
Those guys are kind of wait, and I say, any
day now those birds should be moving down into their winter,
you know, migration areas. So it's good, it's good overall, I'd.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Say, I'd have to say that, you know, with the
weather change as dramatic as it was starting last week
and through this week and lingering that it's going to
put a squeeze on them, Because you're right, I've noticed
more and more of these birds are becoming localized. Not
that I have a first name basis with them or anything,
but you can tell you know, they're not going to
leave unless there's open If there's open water and food,
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as you said, they're staying and they only go as
far south as they need. And I've seen a lot
more of these resident populations and it makes for great
hunting and it certainly is a byproduct of a lot
of good things that have been happening with management and
up in Canada. Have you heard any what's the latest
with the boreal forest. I know that a lot of
the folks up in Canada were talking about droughts and
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that these birds kind of moved, as Mother Nature always does.
They find their home in the wetlands and the prairie potholes.
But is that kind of issue going away with the
drought up in some of these roosting areas in the spring.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, there's definitely you know, we've been in drought conditions
across Prairie Canada and the northern plains of the US.
We picked up a lot of late moisture this year
in the Dakotas in some areas. But the bottom line
is is, you know, there's no time in history more
important as far as managing wetlands for waterfowl, because you know,
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I mean, with all due respect to agriculture and everything,
I mean, more and more of these wetlands are being
drained all across North America, and when there's not water,
it's really important to have the ability to you know,
put water on good quality waterfowl habitat. So you know,
a lot of these heavily managed areas have the ability
to pump water and that goes from Canada all the
way down to the Gulf Coast, and those areas you
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have birds that whether they're spring migrants, fall migrants, wintering birds.
So you know, I think a lot of people think
a hands off approach works, but honestly, at this juncture
in world history, it just isn't working. So it's really
critical to have that waterfowl management and you know, wetland
management and conservation, et cetera. So support DU and Delta
waterfowl and organizations like that, because really without them all
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up through Canada where the you know, the bulk of
the breeding occurs in North America and nesting, we just
really need that, you know, influx of money and time
and energy and sweat equity to really make it work.
And it's great hunting, but you know, again, it takes
a lot of management.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I couldn't agree with you more final thought, we're jumping
back over to fishing. What does it do with this
really cold weather other than access if it freezes over,
But what are the fish patterns with such cool the weather,
especially these larger powder fish like musky or some of
the steelhead that you talked about.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, you know, you have two options. You can with
cold water, you can slow it way down, look for
areas that are you know, deeper slower water in rivers,
et cetera. If it's a sunny day, you know, you
might have a situation where you can, you know, go
out on the flats if you will water that's say
four to eight feet deep, or they might try and
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be trying to get a little sun exposure and warm up.
But I'm talking steelhead, bass, musky, all of them. But
you know. Honestly, that's one option. Slow, low and slow.
I always say, get it down low, give them time
to look at it, you know, cross your t's not
your eyes. In terms of gear, have nice fresh line on.
If I was bass fishing and walleyfish, and I'd probably
use slower carbon. You know, smaller baits sometimes work better.
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And then you have the opposite ende of the spectrum
where you just try to trigger them. And so with
muskies you can do that even in cold water. You
can show them something so ridiculous and outlandish that all
their you know, instinct of just chilling out on the
bottom and hanging out and waiting for spring to come,
you know, late winter when they spawn and late winter
spring they just trigger.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I always say, you reach up to control panel and
you hit all the switches, and that's really you know.
You can do that with trout, you can do that
with bash, you can do it with muskie. But this
time of year, I don't think a lot of guys
do that, and it's not a bad program. Once in
a while just to do something a little bit more
kind of you know, opposite of what you're conventional wisdom is,
and try to trigger fish you may not catch as many,
but the ones you do catch are probably going to
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be real studs.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Again. Jay Anglin is our guest, and I know he's
getting hunters ready for another opportunity on this day, but
it's hard to believe. I always reminisce at the end
of the year where this year went, and as many
different conversations as we've had. It's not going to be
too long before we're at the Boat Sport and Travel
show and all the seminars and show season starts. And
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I always enjoy that you're going to be at any
of the shows coming up.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We'll see super busy with riding and guiding. If it
warms up, I'll be on the river, maybe in the field.
I'm not doing any travel though so far, so this
would be a good year to come down. If I do,
I'll make sure to let you know and spend a
little time in there in the booth with you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You're a good man, Hey, I know you've got a
lot going on. I really appreciate your commentary. We may
get back to you before the end of the year,
but if I don't talk to you, you turn into
a new year with all the good vibes my friend.
We'll be having you back here just as soon as possible.
Keep up the great work, my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, sounds good. Take care of people, have a
nice holiday season, and I get out there the great outdoors.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Love you man, talk to you soon. It is the
Indiana Outdoor Show. My good buddy and our correspondent, Jay Anglin.
He's out. He said that he's shot two banded geese
this week. I love that. It is the Indiana Outdoor
Show and I'm your host, Brian Pointer. We're brought to
you by Indiana Donor Network driven two Saved Lives dot Org.
Don't even think about going anywhere when we return.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Indiana Outdoors rolls on this beautiful Saturday. What a week
we have had. If you like Indiana weather, just wait
ten minutes. It'll change. Opening weekend, it goes from seventy
five down to zero. It seems like almost overnight, but
it's made so many opportunities come to light. We just
heard Jay Anglin, our good friend from England Outdoors. He
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has enjoyed a very prosperous week. Let's just say of
Canada goose hunting up in the north. And we also
know he's a voracious guide fishing guide, and he was
talking about the great success that he's had up there
this fall in all species, whether it's your trout species
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or it's the muskies. And no better time to switch
gears than to talk to Tyler Delauter, who's a fisheries
biologist with our Department of Natural Resources. And I know
that you say late fall is a prime time for
muskie fishing, but it's nice to have you on Indiana Outdoors.
Why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, thanks, thank you for having me again. Yeah, late fall,
as water temperatures are kind of cooling down again, bait
fish are kind of moving all over, Muskies are trying
to feed up and kind of put on some weight
before the winter months kind of hit. So again it's
a great opportunity for anglers to find them. And again
they're moving around a little bit more than they were
when the tempts were warm, So again it just increases
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the chances that they're going to land one.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, they don't call them a fish of a thousand
casts for no reason. And I have enjoyed several times
out up on Lake Webster and some of the northern
chain of lakes up there where we seem to have
an attractive space, an attractive bodies of water up there
for muskies, and it bring these people from all over.
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Why are the why are the muskie fishing? Why is
it so great up there?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, so we've so we've got you know, we've got
musky waters across the state. But yeah, they're kind of
in the Kasiasco County area there. There's we've got Webster Lake,
the Tippy Tippy Canoe Lake chain, and the Barbee Lake
Chain is kind of like a little bit of an
epicenter there of the muskie program. Those lakes just have
really good populations. They're they're they're kind of three different lakes,
so you can it kind of attracts different anglers. If
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you like to fish clear water, you can go to
you know, Tippy Canoe. You got shallow water at Webster,
So they're just different. It provides a lot of a
lot of opportunities. There are a lot of acres of water. Again, Yeah,
they've you know, they've been lakes that have been stocked
for years. Their their populations have kind of went up
and down over the years, but we're kind of seeing
those numbers increasing right now and again providing anglers a
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good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Tyler de Laughter is a d NR Fisheries biologist. We're
talking about late fall winter fishing. So is it safe
to say that on those lakes, if there's open water,
it's still a good place even in this really cold
temps that we have up there. Do you have any
thoughts or tips for people on kind of where to go,
how to target them at this time of the year,
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because a lot of that cover's probably gone underneath. How
do you fish for them this time of year?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah, as long as there's open
water again, I think you still have a great opportunity,
a great chance to land one again. Like you said,
a lot of the habitat vegetation is probably starting to
reduce by this time, but there's always some of the
remaining and actually the beds that are remaining are probably
where you're going to find some of those fish. So
if you can kind of boat around and look for
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some of those vegetation beds, then again, if you fished
it a few months ago, it may not be in
the exact same spots where you caught those fish previously,
so you may have to do a little bit of
work out there on the water find some of those
spots that target. But yeah, again, if you can again
remaining any of the vegetation beds that are out there
or bait fish would be good areas to target this
time of year.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Anybody who's listened to the show knows I'm a big
fan of our stocking program. Whether it's walleye or musky
or any catfish or anything in between. The DNR Fisheries
does such a great job creating opportunities for Hoo's your
anglers to get out and enjoy. This stocking program is complex.
I love how we help mother nature here, but just
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in a nutshell, where do these eggs come from? How
are they incubated and then they go back in? Do
you cooperate with other states? Give me a ninety second
overview of our stocking program, especially it comes from musky.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, so the muskie program. So our brood lake is
Webster Lake. So that's basically where we go to collect
the fish, which we'll get the eggs from that. Our
hatcheries actually use to raise the fish, which again they
actually go down to are They actually go down to
a hatchery in the South and they actually raise those fish. Again,
they keep them indoors for a few months and then
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actually move them onto ponds, feed them minnows, and then
those fish are actually brought back again throughout the state
and our in stock our program lakes, which we have
ten to eleven program lakes that we stock again, so
a cool program. Again, all those fish, like I said,
come from Webster and it is a neat little project
that we're able to again collect those fish, collect the eggs,
raise them in our hatchery systems, and then restock the
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lakes around the state.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So dumb question, but I'm good at that. I've been
doing it for twenty eight years. Do they naturally reproduce, so.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They definitely try. We don't see much natural reproduction success. Again,
I'm sure there's a few, you know, a few fish
here and there that make it through the system that
you know come up from a natural reproduction production, but
it's such a low number. We wouldn't have any really
quality fisheries without us intervening in kind of helping out
the process.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And we see license plates, we see sales from out
of state for this these destined This is a destination
place for a lot of these trophy massive predator fish,
the musky in particular that come from all over the Midwest.
You still see that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, we see a lot. Again if you've if you
went to like you mentioned, if you've gone to Webster,
Tippy and Barbie and other lakes as well. Those are
the ones I'm more familiar with throughout the state because
that's kind of the area I cover. But yeah, if
you go there, you see license plates from all over
They there's there's musky clubs and tournaments and again that
draw people from all over the country. Again, those are
those lakes there have have produced fish for a long
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time and are pretty popular. So we get a lot
of people from Chicago that come over. Again, some from Illinois,
Michigan come down. Again. It's very popular and again does
have a draw from you know, not only Indiana anglers,
but out of state anglers as well.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot. I
know we were talking muskies, but the Steelhead how are
the steel Head up there?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Pretty good? So I'm not real familiar with those. Again,
that's kind of out of my area here. I've got
fifteen counties around the four Wayne area that I'm in
charge of, so that's a little bit outside.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I thought you you biologists know everything.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's a myth. That's a myth, But I know who
to send you to to talk to.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, that's a fairy answer because we were just
talking and it hadn't even thought crossed my mind. But
anytime I talked to Jay Anglin, who's our correspondent from
the north, which is often he throws me in different directions,
I hadn't even thought about that. But it makes sense
that in some of those northern areas the steelheaders still good.
So I just think it's great that we have all
this activity this time of the year, and mother nature
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is always I think mother nature always appreciates when we help.
And as you just made a great testimony, if it
weren't for the fact of dn R management, we probably
wouldn't have such a great muskie fishery fishery as we
do in the state. And you know, frankly, Jay England
just made the same point on the waterfowl side that
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we need folks to join ducks unlimited, and we need
management of these beautiful migratory birds that not only provide recreation,
but as a management tool we need to help out.
So buy your licenses and join organizations and stay involved.
And ESPEC actually listen to Indian Outdoors so we can
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talk about these great programs. Thank you, Tyler. As always,
I hope you have a wonderful rest of the year
and wish you a merry Christmas. If we don't talk
between now and the end of the year, we'll have
you back in the spring talking more fishing sounds great.
Thank you for having me my pleasure. Tyler de Lauter
joined us d n R Fisheries Biologists always love talking
to our biology friends, and I enjoy talking to you.
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It's Indiana Outdoor Show. We are going to have one line,
one final push from our friends in who's yours feeding
the hungry and dear a lot of folks donating dear.
When we come back, it's the Indiana Outdoor Show. Don't
go anywhere right after this.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It is Indiana Outdoors Saturday. It is is following Thanksgivings,
so we're now in the mad dash to Christmas. Let's
just get things started on a happy note. It's called
Indiana Outdoors and I am your host, Brian Pointer. Each
and every week, what a great show. Jay Anglin, our
good friend Anglin Outdoors, our correspondent from the north. He
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has been busy guiding. This week. We had a whole
bunch of Canadas come down and they've been having a hoot.
I think two banded birds. Never shot one myself, but
they got a couple. That's always interesting as well as
late season fishing still fantastic around the state. So you
get all this meat and your freezer is full, what
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do you do with it? Well, we go to our
good friend, Susie Jordan at our great organization, who's yours
Feeding the Hungry? Susie, still time left in this year
for a lot of hunting to be done, a lot
of deer hopefully to be processed. For those that may
not be familiar with what we're talking about, explain what
you do and why it's so important, and as always,
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thanks for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, thanks for having me. The snow's flying and the
deer are still moving, that's for sure. Who you're Feeding
the Hungry. As a nonprofit, we're based in DeKalb County,
but we have a presence all over our state and
our mission is to accept donations of livestock and deer
and also money to provide process meat to Indiana food banks,
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food pantries, and hunger relief agencies. So the deer program
is in partnership with our friends at the Indiana Department
of Natural Resources Law Enforcement Division with their Hunt for
Hunger program.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And just like that, it sounds so easy, but I
know it takes a lot of hard work. Your organization
leads the charge here. And on opening weekend we had
one of our hunting party was successful and they had
already processed and filled their freezer, and I said, hey,
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you should check this organization out. And they went to
a processor. Don't ask me which one, but I went
to the website helped them. It was very easy. And
with that local food banks get this all important, absolutely
protein rich, beautiful Indiana venison. That those processors will you
take a field dressed year and then they'll process it
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and usually stays in the local area is so very important.
I know you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I do. I do, And a shout out to all
of our processors. So our partner, our partnership with the
DNR is not alone. We also have the du Boys
County Sportsman's Club as part of it. And hunters, excuse me,
farmers and hunters feeding the Hungary are also, so the
three of us all have processors individually for the allotment
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of grant that we receive from the DNR year, there
are over forty nine processors in thirty five counties and
I think that is an awesome number. And these are
all Indiana small businesses that are processing these deer. So
I think it's it's great. Not only do the deer
stay to benefit the local communities, we're also supporting local businesses.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Couldn't agree with you more. We're visiting with our good
friends this time of the year. Who's your feeding the hungry?
Susie Jordan is our regular So with this time of
the year, I always encourage people think ahead because December
thirty first is going to be here and agencies, opportunities,
organizations are all going to be soliciting. But I can
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tell you a little bit goes a long way, and
I know that you would agree with that, and giving
is an important part of what you do to make
this process and this wheel go round and round. And
I hope that I didn't overstep, but I'm sure if
people were looking for some year and charitable organizations, this
is great one.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
It is a fabulous organization because everything stays within the
state of Indiana. We are a nonprofit, so all of
the financial donations that are received, whether it's a check
that comes through the mail or somebody hopping on our
website and or using a QR code on some of
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our social media posts and things like that, all of
that money stays in the state of Indiana and is
used very frugally to expedite the mission that we have
understanding to hunt for hungers. We get a grant to
support the deer processing, but it is not cheap to
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process hogs, let alone beef anymore so. And we also
have like all businesses in all households, tap you know,
we have insurance, we have payroll, We have a small
staff of three people who expedite, you know, impacting lives
all over the state of Indiana. So tax deductible donations
or if you have a donor advice fund or the
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other thing is if you've got one of those iras
and you've got to make that required distribution, this is
a win win because you can still support something that
supports outdoors, or you can honor someone, or if you've
got somebody who's very difficult to buy for, you're more
than welcome. We can acknowledge your donation to our organization
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in their memory or in their honor this holiday season.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Look at you becoming a tax planner. I love it.
It's all part of being this executive director high atop
the throne of this great organization of I thought my
Christmas gift this year might be a little bigger. I
don't know if I start buttering yep, all throughout the year.
All throughout the year, this work goes on. We highlight
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it of course in the fall because of the deer
and the venison. But you hit on something that I
just want to hover for a second throughout the year
when the deer season is over, or you are still
looking for that great protein in livestock and other critters,
is that the same type of situation that becomes free
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to them if to donate that deer and it gets
processed and delivered.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
That's a little They donate the livestock into one of
our partner processors or livestock, because livestock has to be
either a State inspected facility or a USDA. So if
there's anyone out there who's listening this Saturday on that
as a farmer or would like to learn more. The
best thing you can do is either hop on our
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website and find out how, or give us a call
and leave a leave a voicemail and then we'll return
your call. To make that partnership, we need to make
sure that we have funds available in those in those
counties to pay for the processing. And that's where you
just can't drop your not like dropping deer off. You
just can't drop a call.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Just can't drop to cow off.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
No, please, please don't bring your cow or you're pig
to our office.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He theres so.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Please tell me that nobody has done that, not yet.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
And I really don't want it to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Just saying, Susie, you're one of my favorites throughout the year,
and at this time of the year I make this.
Please find organizations that are great for conservation, great for hunting,
doing good work in the communities, whatever criteria is important
to you, especially if you're looking for something to do
charitably in the outdoors, this is a perfect opportunity. We
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always have our friends at the Natural Resources Foundation, the
nonprofit arm of the DNR. Think about those folks, because
like you just said, we just said, you've got to
make sure, there's money available, and it takes a lot
to process those big critters. So at this time I
wish you a merry Christmas, and hopefully maybe after the
first of the year, we'll do a year end in review.
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In the early part of next year, we got the Boat,
Sport and Travel Show, where I know I'll probably see
you the deer, Turkey Waterfowl. We will be there all
that good stuff. Thanks for all the great work that
you and your expansive crew of three do to keep
this project going.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You are so welcome, and thanks for always being a
phone call away. We really appreciate your support too.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Brian, Thank you, Susie. It's always great to visit with you.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. I am your host,
Brian Pointer. Don't even dare think about doing anything different.
We're going to be back right after this. All right,
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that one went fast and furious. It's the Indiana Outdoor Show.
I am your host, Brian Pointer. So great to be
with you. I love this time of the year. It
brings so many new opportunities. This cold weather just kind
of came in like a flurry. Well I did it again.
See there's another bad radio cliche. I didn't mean that
the weather has set in and that has provided more
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opportunities for our good friends all over the state of
Indiana where you're fishing the water, fowling, deer hunting. It
is right now prime time. This great fall winter weather.
You never know. One minute it's fall, the next minute
it's screaming winter. We're just going to call it winter.
Great opportunities. You heard Jay Angland talking about the great
success with some migrating Canadas. We have late fishing opportunities.
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Tyler de Laughter, fishing biologist with our Department of Natural Resources,
explained the musky stocking program and as he said, now
with this cold water, great opportunity. Jay told me sidebar
that they went out a few weeks ago and just
had a great time musky fishing. So don't forget about that.
Plus a last minute update giving opportunity our friends at
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Hoosiers feeding the hungry Susie Jordan they could always use
the donations, plus an opportunity for late seasons to donate
some protein, folks, even though it's cold. I promise you
I'm going to see in the great Indiana outdoors. Remember
turning a poacher one eight hundred tip I d n
R see you next week. Put something in the freezer
this week.
Well, what do you say we get the party started.
It is the festive season, so they say, after Thanksgiving.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. And I am your host,
Brian Pointer, sitting here in downtown Indianapolis in this freezer
that we have had all week. I kind of like it.
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I was really really happy when the snow started flying.
And I know up in the north a lot of
folks got even more than we did here in central Indiana,
but kind of made me in a little early festive
Christmas spirit, burned a lot of wood in the fireplace.
It's just been it's been an exciting start to the
Christmas season. How about for you? You made it through
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the holiday the first one? Now we got a mad dash.
But with this cold weather at this time of the year,
it has made for an interesting dynamic. Meaning just a
couple three weeks ago we were opening weekend of deer
firearm season. It was seventy five degrees and sunny and windy,
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and this week it's been twenty and freezing, with nighttime
temperatures at ten and a lot of snow. So that's Indiana.
But it's created this massive flurry. And I don't mean
I did that was a bad radio cliche. But we
have all these migrating ducks. We got all the migrating
waterfowl moving down and interestingly enough, I don't think it's
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even really started yet because they haven't had a lot
of weather up north where they're moving from. So with that,
who do we go to? We go to our good
friend Jay England England Outdoors. He has been guiding this
week and saw a couple pictures of some banded geese.
Always special. I have never shot a banded goose or duck,
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and two times this week, two different buddies of mine,
of course sent me the jewelry pictures of the banded
geese and the banded ducks, and I was pretty darn
happy about that. For them, that's always exciting. If you've
ever been in a duck blind with a guy or
gal that's been hunting for twenty or thirty years and
their lanyard is just covered with these, it is he's
like the Jeremiah Johnson of waterfowl at that point. It
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is always fun, but it's created a whole new opportunity.
Waterfowl are good. Plus we have a whole bunch of
late season fishing that has been fantastic. I'm sure we'll
talk to Jay about that. We're also going to talk
to a d n R biologist about the muskie stocking
program and this late fall early well we're not late
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fall anymore, are we. This type of this time of year,
the fishing is fantastic, so we're going to talk to
him about opportunities for muskie fishing up in the northern
part of the state and where they stock these. I'm
sure Jay's going to tell us what's going on in
the tributaries with the salmon and all the other good stuff.
So we got that to look forward to. Plus, it's
never too late once again to talk to our friends
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Susie Jordan at the Hoosiers Feeding the hungry, give that
processed a deer to a local community. It's free of
charge for you. We're going to find out about that.
In the late season entry folks don't go anywhere because
Jay Anglin I know he's probably out either hunting or
getting ready and he's always great stories. We're going to
find out what you need to know when we return
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and see Indian Outdoor Show and what a week it's
Indiana Outdoors. We are in the full throttle mode to
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get to Christmas. Let's just take it slow and one
step at a time. Huh. Let's enjoy this Thanksgiving season.
But so many things happening in the great Indiana outdoors.
As you heard me mention at the top of the hour,
we got this great cold spell that came in. We've
got muzzleloader hunting, We've got waterfowl. People are just having
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a gale time so to speak. Here, And I, your host,
Brian Pointer, brought to you by our friends at Indiana
Donor Network Driven to Save Lives dot org, couldn't be
happy to be with you on this beautiful early December.
And you know, whenever I can catch my good friend
Jay Anglin Anglin outdoors, you can guess that this time
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of the year, he's very, very busy. And Jay, I
understand you. Earlier this week, I know you're out. You're
probably out hunting now, but earlier this week, you guys
took advantage of this cold front. How are things up north?
How's my correspondent doing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm doing fine. I'm kind of busy with a little
bit of everything. You know, we got all the snow
like overnight. We went from like he oh man, is
it ever going to get cold to oh you want cold, Yeah,
we got your cold right here, pal and cold at snow.
And I mean I've been shoveling snow and shoveling snow
and shoveling snow. Of course, we get a lot of
lake effects here on top of all the systems snow.
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So in fact, I think my yard is probably the
snowiest place in Indiana. I'm be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I love it well. I know that. You know, opening
weekend of deer season, it was seventy five degrees and
thirty mile an hour winds most across the state. And
here just two weeks later, you know, you got ten
degrees and you've got all kinds of new things happening
in the Great Indiana outdoors. Did it bring some of
the northern birds down.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Did you know? The earlier this week I put out
a migration alert for Canada geese with THEU and talking
to the usual suspects for me, a lot of guides
and biologists around the Great Lakes from far northwest Minnesota
all the way into Ohio and up into Michigan, et cetera.
And the general consensus with Canada's has been they're just
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Canada geese in particular. They just haven't been near the
birds this year. And even a couple biologists that it's
a few as they've ever seen your entire career. But
what's going on is, you know, the warmth we've had
through the fall really extended all the way up into Canada.
And you know, these birds, they just get so healthy
that if they can find open water and food, they
just don't have to move. So this big cold, you know,
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snap that we've had, this Arctic air, you know, has
pushed a lot of ducks down, pushed a lot of
our softer ducks. I like to call them soft ducks,
but you're talking about the gadwall and the widget and
things like that, teal, et cetera. Most of those have
moved down. There's somewhere around. But we still have, you know,
our mallards coming in, our winter mallards, I call him,
because a lot of them winner here and then a
Canadas and no, we're stacking up pretty good too, So
we're in good stuff. We're in good shape in that regard.
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You know, the deer have been moving a lot. It's
been great pretty much. If you want to go shoot
a deer, you just go deer hunting. I mean, that's
how good of sin it was.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Jay Anglin as our guest, I love him this time
in the year. He's out doing what he's doing. It
sounds like you're huffing and puffing, and hopefully that means
you're getting guides, you're getting your self ready for the field. However,
I will tell you what I found interesting this year
is with the opening weekend of firearm season being so
warm and so windy, there was I saw virtually. I
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saw no dose, which is very unusual. Very few deer
were even seen because of the wind and everything. But
I've also been following the numbers and it's been a
darn good year so far across the state, even with
EHD in different places affected, we've had a fantastic season.
And opening weekend at our camp there was a couple
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of young guys that shot their first buck and was
happy for them, but that was it. Those are like
one deer and done. And the other thing I noticed
opening weekend is they're still in some bachelor groups. Two
different groups were just some young bucks four corns together,
which I thought was unusual. What are you seeing up
north because a lot of people are having fun.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You know, it's been there has been some unusual deer behavior,
I will say, and I think again, it's you know,
it could be hormonal due to the weather. I don't know,
but I've never seen you know, quality bucks and you
know mid range bucks say, you know, two year olds whatever,
two and a half year olds, they just keep moving
and like, you know, I'm so used to the lockdown
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and them going underground or burrowing in. As my buddy
Dan says, they just haven't. You know, in some cases
they have for the most part. One when the conditions
are good, they're up on their feet and they are rolling.
So that's cool. And I agree with you on the thing.
I hunt a couple of places that I was really
and I actually went in there with the thought of,
I probably won't even pull the trigger. Actually there's so
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many deer it doesn't really matter at this point. But
you know, I mean, I've been busy guiding Steelhead and
that was too warm. The water was too warm. The
fish just kept migrating, and then all of a sudden,
like a week later, we're down into like a full
blown you know, midwinter pattern, which you know, drastic adjustments
on my part, the largest one being the majority of
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my clients don't want to go fishing when it's twenty
two degrees, which I can't really blame them, but boy,
the fishing has been really good too.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well. I couldn't agree with you more. We're going to
be talking just a little bit later because fall muskie
fishing is wonderful where there's open water. But it sounds
like you've got some open waterways up there and the
steelheader moving in. You do any musky guiding.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I've done a little bit of musky this year, not
nearly as much as usual, again because mostly the weather.
A lot of guys want to fish when it's cooler,
when the fish really put the feedback on, and we
just haven't had the consistent cooled that we need to
get the water TIMPs down. That said, I did go
out one day about a month ago with a couple
of guys and I think we had twelve fish to
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the boat and hooked I think five all on flies.
Oh my god. Yeah, that's good musky fishing right.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
There whereabouts up north in the change?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, that was up here. Yeah, you know, there's
there's where I grew up in Kajasco County. There's a
lot of fish over there, and of course all those lakes,
but you know the whole there's so many muskies and
some of these other lakes. People don't pay much attention,
but they stock them in these lakes and you know,
you don't hear much about it, and all of sudden,
five years later, you've got quality forty five inch plus musky.
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I mean, there's so much food for these fish. They
grow way quicker than the Wisconsin Minnesota fish. So you know,
Indiana's really on the map with muskies and that's pretty cool.
That's all due to the DNR and you know, management
and the clubs putting time and energy and money into it.
It's really impressive to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Jay England is our guest. We always enjoy his commentary.
Let's talk about that article that you were talking about,
or the the migration report. What are some of these
biologists saying, kind of looking here we are mid season,
so to speak, what are there what were the what
were the takeaways from your article that you were writing.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Just just that the Canada goose numbers have been a
little lower than normal and some of these really notoriously
important Canada goose hunting areas and in some cases just
gone like there just haven't been birds. Of course, everybody
has the local birds. But after you start beating on
those around September first and and you kind of rely
on them through October occasionally until some new birds come in.
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You know, they just get super super tough to hunt
unless you just have a spot that's just as good
as it gets. So you know where everybody's waiting for
more birds. So I'm hearing that as far as southern Manitoba,
like around Winnipeg, you know, which holds hundreds of thousands
of geese in that area, there's still birds up there.
And in fact, in some cases they don't eat have
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any snow yet in some of those areas, believe it
or not, So those birds aren't going anywhere soon. Then
you've got sorry, Then you've got you know, Michigan, the
west western Michigan definitely holding a lot of birds. Eastern Michigan, Ohio.
Those guys are kind of wait, and I say, any
day now those birds should be moving down into their winter,
you know, migration areas. So it's good, it's good overall, I'd.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Say, I'd have to say that, you know, with the
weather change as dramatic as it was starting last week
and through this week and lingering that it's going to
put a squeeze on them, Because you're right, I've noticed
more and more of these birds are becoming localized. Not
that I have a first name basis with them or anything,
but you can tell you know, they're not going to
leave unless there's open If there's open water and food,
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as you said, they're staying and they only go as
far south as they need. And I've seen a lot
more of these resident populations and it makes for great
hunting and it certainly is a byproduct of a lot
of good things that have been happening with management and
up in Canada. Have you heard any what's the latest
with the boreal forest. I know that a lot of
the folks up in Canada were talking about droughts and
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that these birds kind of moved, as Mother Nature always does.
They find their home in the wetlands and the prairie potholes.
But is that kind of issue going away with the
drought up in some of these roosting areas in the spring.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, there's definitely you know, we've been in drought conditions
across Prairie Canada and the northern plains of the US.
We picked up a lot of late moisture this year
in the Dakotas in some areas. But the bottom line
is is, you know, there's no time in history more
important as far as managing wetlands for waterfowl, because you know,
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I mean, with all due respect to agriculture and everything,
I mean, more and more of these wetlands are being
drained all across North America, and when there's not water,
it's really important to have the ability to you know,
put water on good quality waterfowl habitat. So you know,
a lot of these heavily managed areas have the ability
to pump water and that goes from Canada all the
way down to the Gulf Coast, and those areas you
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have birds that whether they're spring migrants, fall migrants, wintering birds.
So you know, I think a lot of people think
a hands off approach works, but honestly, at this juncture
in world history, it just isn't working. So it's really
critical to have that waterfowl management and you know, wetland
management and conservation, et cetera. So support DU and Delta
waterfowl and organizations like that, because really without them all
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up through Canada where the you know, the bulk of
the breeding occurs in North America and nesting, we just
really need that, you know, influx of money and time
and energy and sweat equity to really make it work.
And it's great hunting, but you know, again, it takes
a lot of management.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I couldn't agree with you more final thought, we're jumping
back over to fishing. What does it do with this
really cold weather other than access if it freezes over,
But what are the fish patterns with such cool the weather,
especially these larger powder fish like musky or some of
the steelhead that you talked about.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, you know, you have two options. You can with
cold water, you can slow it way down, look for
areas that are you know, deeper slower water in rivers,
et cetera. If it's a sunny day, you know, you
might have a situation where you can, you know, go
out on the flats if you will water that's say
four to eight feet deep, or they might try and
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be trying to get a little sun exposure and warm up.
But I'm talking steelhead, bass, musky, all of them. But
you know. Honestly, that's one option. Slow, low and slow.
I always say, get it down low, give them time
to look at it, you know, cross your t's not
your eyes. In terms of gear, have nice fresh line on.
If I was bass fishing and walleyfish, and I'd probably
use slower carbon. You know, smaller baits sometimes work better.
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And then you have the opposite ende of the spectrum
where you just try to trigger them. And so with
muskies you can do that even in cold water. You
can show them something so ridiculous and outlandish that all
their you know, instinct of just chilling out on the
bottom and hanging out and waiting for spring to come,
you know, late winter when they spawn and late winter
spring they just trigger.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I always say, you reach up to control panel and
you hit all the switches, and that's really you know.
You can do that with trout, you can do that
with bash, you can do it with muskie. But this
time of year, I don't think a lot of guys
do that, and it's not a bad program. Once in
a while just to do something a little bit more
kind of you know, opposite of what you're conventional wisdom is,
and try to trigger fish you may not catch as many,
but the ones you do catch are probably going to
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be real studs.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Again. Jay Anglin is our guest, and I know he's
getting hunters ready for another opportunity on this day, but
it's hard to believe. I always reminisce at the end
of the year where this year went, and as many
different conversations as we've had. It's not going to be
too long before we're at the Boat Sport and Travel
show and all the seminars and show season starts. And
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I always enjoy that you're going to be at any
of the shows coming up.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We'll see super busy with riding and guiding. If it
warms up, I'll be on the river, maybe in the field.
I'm not doing any travel though so far, so this
would be a good year to come down. If I do,
I'll make sure to let you know and spend a
little time in there in the booth with you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You're a good man, Hey, I know you've got a
lot going on. I really appreciate your commentary. We may
get back to you before the end of the year,
but if I don't talk to you, you turn into
a new year with all the good vibes my friend.
We'll be having you back here just as soon as possible.
Keep up the great work, my friend.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, sounds good. Take care of people, have a
nice holiday season, and I get out there the great outdoors.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Love you man, talk to you soon. It is the
Indiana Outdoor Show. My good buddy and our correspondent, Jay Anglin.
He's out. He said that he's shot two banded geese
this week. I love that. It is the Indiana Outdoor
Show and I'm your host, Brian Pointer. We're brought to
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Don't even think about going anywhere when we return.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Indiana Outdoors rolls on this beautiful Saturday. What a week
we have had. If you like Indiana weather, just wait
ten minutes. It'll change. Opening weekend, it goes from seventy
five down to zero. It seems like almost overnight, but
it's made so many opportunities come to light. We just
heard Jay Anglin, our good friend from England Outdoors. He
(18:36):
has enjoyed a very prosperous week. Let's just say of
Canada goose hunting up in the north. And we also
know he's a voracious guide fishing guide, and he was
talking about the great success that he's had up there
this fall in all species, whether it's your trout species
(18:58):
or it's the muskies. And no better time to switch
gears than to talk to Tyler Delauter, who's a fisheries
biologist with our Department of Natural Resources. And I know
that you say late fall is a prime time for
muskie fishing, but it's nice to have you on Indiana Outdoors.
Why do you say that?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, thanks, thank you for having me again. Yeah, late fall,
as water temperatures are kind of cooling down again, bait
fish are kind of moving all over, Muskies are trying
to feed up and kind of put on some weight
before the winter months kind of hit. So again it's
a great opportunity for anglers to find them. And again
they're moving around a little bit more than they were
when the tempts were warm, So again it just increases
(19:38):
the chances that they're going to land one.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, they don't call them a fish of a thousand
casts for no reason. And I have enjoyed several times
out up on Lake Webster and some of the northern
chain of lakes up there where we seem to have
an attractive space, an attractive bodies of water up there
for muskies, and it bring these people from all over.
(20:01):
Why are the why are the muskie fishing? Why is
it so great up there?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, so we've so we've got you know, we've got
musky waters across the state. But yeah, they're kind of
in the Kasiasco County area there. There's we've got Webster Lake,
the Tippy Tippy Canoe Lake chain, and the Barbee Lake
Chain is kind of like a little bit of an
epicenter there of the muskie program. Those lakes just have
really good populations. They're they're they're kind of three different lakes,
so you can it kind of attracts different anglers. If
(20:27):
you like to fish clear water, you can go to
you know, Tippy Canoe. You got shallow water at Webster,
So they're just different. It provides a lot of a
lot of opportunities. There are a lot of acres of water. Again, Yeah,
they've you know, they've been lakes that have been stocked
for years. Their their populations have kind of went up
and down over the years, but we're kind of seeing
those numbers increasing right now and again providing anglers a
(20:48):
good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Tyler de Laughter is a d NR Fisheries biologist. We're
talking about late fall winter fishing. So is it safe
to say that on those lakes, if there's open water,
it's still a good place even in this really cold
temps that we have up there. Do you have any
thoughts or tips for people on kind of where to go,
how to target them at this time of the year,
(21:10):
because a lot of that cover's probably gone underneath. How
do you fish for them this time of year?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah, as long as there's open
water again, I think you still have a great opportunity,
a great chance to land one again. Like you said,
a lot of the habitat vegetation is probably starting to
reduce by this time, but there's always some of the
remaining and actually the beds that are remaining are probably
where you're going to find some of those fish. So
if you can kind of boat around and look for
(21:36):
some of those vegetation beds, then again, if you fished
it a few months ago, it may not be in
the exact same spots where you caught those fish previously,
so you may have to do a little bit of
work out there on the water find some of those
spots that target. But yeah, again, if you can again
remaining any of the vegetation beds that are out there
or bait fish would be good areas to target this
time of year.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Anybody who's listened to the show knows I'm a big
fan of our stocking program. Whether it's walleye or musky
or any catfish or anything in between. The DNR Fisheries
does such a great job creating opportunities for Hoo's your
anglers to get out and enjoy. This stocking program is complex.
I love how we help mother nature here, but just
(22:17):
in a nutshell, where do these eggs come from? How
are they incubated and then they go back in? Do
you cooperate with other states? Give me a ninety second
overview of our stocking program, especially it comes from musky.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, so the muskie program. So our brood lake is
Webster Lake. So that's basically where we go to collect
the fish, which we'll get the eggs from that. Our
hatcheries actually use to raise the fish, which again they
actually go down to are They actually go down to
a hatchery in the South and they actually raise those fish. Again,
they keep them indoors for a few months and then
(22:51):
actually move them onto ponds, feed them minnows, and then
those fish are actually brought back again throughout the state
and our in stock our program lakes, which we have
ten to eleven program lakes that we stock again, so
a cool program. Again, all those fish, like I said,
come from Webster and it is a neat little project
that we're able to again collect those fish, collect the eggs,
raise them in our hatchery systems, and then restock the
(23:13):
lakes around the state.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So dumb question, but I'm good at that. I've been
doing it for twenty eight years. Do they naturally reproduce, so.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They definitely try. We don't see much natural reproduction success. Again,
I'm sure there's a few, you know, a few fish
here and there that make it through the system that
you know come up from a natural reproduction production, but
it's such a low number. We wouldn't have any really
quality fisheries without us intervening in kind of helping out
the process.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And we see license plates, we see sales from out
of state for this these destined This is a destination
place for a lot of these trophy massive predator fish,
the musky in particular that come from all over the Midwest.
You still see that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, we see a lot. Again if you've if you
went to like you mentioned, if you've gone to Webster,
Tippy and Barbie and other lakes as well. Those are
the ones I'm more familiar with throughout the state because
that's kind of the area I cover. But yeah, if
you go there, you see license plates from all over
They there's there's musky clubs and tournaments and again that
draw people from all over the country. Again, those are
those lakes there have have produced fish for a long
(24:21):
time and are pretty popular. So we get a lot
of people from Chicago that come over. Again, some from Illinois,
Michigan come down. Again. It's very popular and again does
have a draw from you know, not only Indiana anglers,
but out of state anglers as well.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot. I
know we were talking muskies, but the Steelhead how are
the steel Head up there?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Pretty good? So I'm not real familiar with those. Again,
that's kind of out of my area here. I've got
fifteen counties around the four Wayne area that I'm in
charge of, so that's a little bit outside.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I thought you you biologists know everything.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's a myth. That's a myth, But I know who
to send you to to talk to.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, that's a fairy answer because we were just
talking and it hadn't even thought crossed my mind. But
anytime I talked to Jay Anglin, who's our correspondent from
the north, which is often he throws me in different directions,
I hadn't even thought about that. But it makes sense
that in some of those northern areas the steelheaders still good.
So I just think it's great that we have all
this activity this time of the year, and mother nature
(25:21):
is always I think mother nature always appreciates when we help.
And as you just made a great testimony, if it
weren't for the fact of dn R management, we probably
wouldn't have such a great muskie fishery fishery as we
do in the state. And you know, frankly, Jay England
just made the same point on the waterfowl side that
(25:42):
we need folks to join ducks unlimited, and we need
management of these beautiful migratory birds that not only provide recreation,
but as a management tool we need to help out.
So buy your licenses and join organizations and stay involved.
And ESPEC actually listen to Indian Outdoors so we can
(26:02):
talk about these great programs. Thank you, Tyler. As always,
I hope you have a wonderful rest of the year
and wish you a merry Christmas. If we don't talk
between now and the end of the year, we'll have
you back in the spring talking more fishing sounds great.
Thank you for having me my pleasure. Tyler de Lauter
joined us d n R Fisheries Biologists always love talking
to our biology friends, and I enjoy talking to you.
(26:24):
It's Indiana Outdoor Show. We are going to have one line,
one final push from our friends in who's yours feeding
the hungry and dear a lot of folks donating dear.
When we come back, it's the Indiana Outdoor Show. Don't
go anywhere right after this.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It is Indiana Outdoors Saturday. It is is following Thanksgivings,
so we're now in the mad dash to Christmas. Let's
just get things started on a happy note. It's called
Indiana Outdoors and I am your host, Brian Pointer. Each
and every week, what a great show. Jay Anglin, our
good friend Anglin Outdoors, our correspondent from the north. He
(27:18):
has been busy guiding. This week. We had a whole
bunch of Canadas come down and they've been having a hoot.
I think two banded birds. Never shot one myself, but
they got a couple. That's always interesting as well as
late season fishing still fantastic around the state. So you
get all this meat and your freezer is full, what
(27:39):
do you do with it? Well, we go to our
good friend, Susie Jordan at our great organization, who's yours
Feeding the Hungry? Susie, still time left in this year
for a lot of hunting to be done, a lot
of deer hopefully to be processed. For those that may
not be familiar with what we're talking about, explain what
you do and why it's so important, and as always,
(28:00):
thanks for being here with us.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, thanks for having me. The snow's flying and the
deer are still moving, that's for sure. Who you're Feeding
the Hungry. As a nonprofit, we're based in DeKalb County,
but we have a presence all over our state and
our mission is to accept donations of livestock and deer
and also money to provide process meat to Indiana food banks,
(28:26):
food pantries, and hunger relief agencies. So the deer program
is in partnership with our friends at the Indiana Department
of Natural Resources Law Enforcement Division with their Hunt for
Hunger program.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And just like that, it sounds so easy, but I
know it takes a lot of hard work. Your organization
leads the charge here. And on opening weekend we had
one of our hunting party was successful and they had
already processed and filled their freezer, and I said, hey,
(29:03):
you should check this organization out. And they went to
a processor. Don't ask me which one, but I went
to the website helped them. It was very easy. And
with that local food banks get this all important, absolutely
protein rich, beautiful Indiana venison. That those processors will you
take a field dressed year and then they'll process it
(29:26):
and usually stays in the local area is so very important.
I know you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I do. I do, And a shout out to all
of our processors. So our partner, our partnership with the
DNR is not alone. We also have the du Boys
County Sportsman's Club as part of it. And hunters, excuse me,
farmers and hunters feeding the Hungary are also, so the
three of us all have processors individually for the allotment
(29:56):
of grant that we receive from the DNR year, there
are over forty nine processors in thirty five counties and
I think that is an awesome number. And these are
all Indiana small businesses that are processing these deer. So
I think it's it's great. Not only do the deer
stay to benefit the local communities, we're also supporting local businesses.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Couldn't agree with you more. We're visiting with our good
friends this time of the year. Who's your feeding the hungry?
Susie Jordan is our regular So with this time of
the year, I always encourage people think ahead because December
thirty first is going to be here and agencies, opportunities,
organizations are all going to be soliciting. But I can
(30:44):
tell you a little bit goes a long way, and
I know that you would agree with that, and giving
is an important part of what you do to make
this process and this wheel go round and round. And
I hope that I didn't overstep, but I'm sure if
people were looking for some year and charitable organizations, this
is great one.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
It is a fabulous organization because everything stays within the
state of Indiana. We are a nonprofit, so all of
the financial donations that are received, whether it's a check
that comes through the mail or somebody hopping on our
website and or using a QR code on some of
(31:22):
our social media posts and things like that, all of
that money stays in the state of Indiana and is
used very frugally to expedite the mission that we have
understanding to hunt for hungers. We get a grant to
support the deer processing, but it is not cheap to
(31:42):
process hogs, let alone beef anymore so. And we also
have like all businesses in all households, tap you know,
we have insurance, we have payroll, We have a small
staff of three people who expedite, you know, impacting lives
all over the state of Indiana. So tax deductible donations
or if you have a donor advice fund or the
(32:04):
other thing is if you've got one of those iras
and you've got to make that required distribution, this is
a win win because you can still support something that
supports outdoors, or you can honor someone, or if you've
got somebody who's very difficult to buy for, you're more
than welcome. We can acknowledge your donation to our organization
(32:27):
in their memory or in their honor this holiday season.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Look at you becoming a tax planner. I love it.
It's all part of being this executive director high atop
the throne of this great organization of I thought my
Christmas gift this year might be a little bigger. I
don't know if I start buttering yep, all throughout the year.
All throughout the year, this work goes on. We highlight
(32:51):
it of course in the fall because of the deer
and the venison. But you hit on something that I
just want to hover for a second throughout the year
when the deer season is over, or you are still
looking for that great protein in livestock and other critters,
is that the same type of situation that becomes free
(33:12):
to them if to donate that deer and it gets
processed and delivered.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
That's a little They donate the livestock into one of
our partner processors or livestock, because livestock has to be
either a State inspected facility or a USDA. So if
there's anyone out there who's listening this Saturday on that
as a farmer or would like to learn more. The
best thing you can do is either hop on our
(33:40):
website and find out how, or give us a call
and leave a leave a voicemail and then we'll return
your call. To make that partnership, we need to make
sure that we have funds available in those in those
counties to pay for the processing. And that's where you
just can't drop your not like dropping deer off. You
just can't drop a call.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Just can't drop to cow off.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
No, please, please don't bring your cow or you're pig
to our office.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He theres so.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Please tell me that nobody has done that, not yet.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
And I really don't want it to happen.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Just saying, Susie, you're one of my favorites throughout the year,
and at this time of the year I make this.
Please find organizations that are great for conservation, great for hunting,
doing good work in the communities, whatever criteria is important
to you, especially if you're looking for something to do
charitably in the outdoors, this is a perfect opportunity. We
(34:32):
always have our friends at the Natural Resources Foundation, the
nonprofit arm of the DNR. Think about those folks, because
like you just said, we just said, you've got to
make sure, there's money available, and it takes a lot
to process those big critters. So at this time I
wish you a merry Christmas, and hopefully maybe after the
first of the year, we'll do a year end in review.
(34:52):
In the early part of next year, we got the Boat,
Sport and Travel Show, where I know I'll probably see
you the deer, Turkey Waterfowl. We will be there all
that good stuff. Thanks for all the great work that
you and your expansive crew of three do to keep
this project going.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You are so welcome, and thanks for always being a
phone call away. We really appreciate your support too.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Brian, Thank you, Susie. It's always great to visit with you.
It is the Indiana Outdoor Show. I am your host,
Brian Pointer. Don't even dare think about doing anything different.
We're going to be back right after this. All right,
(35:39):
that one went fast and furious. It's the Indiana Outdoor Show.
I am your host, Brian Pointer. So great to be
with you. I love this time of the year. It
brings so many new opportunities. This cold weather just kind
of came in like a flurry. Well I did it again.
See there's another bad radio cliche. I didn't mean that
the weather has set in and that has provided more
(36:00):
opportunities for our good friends all over the state of
Indiana where you're fishing the water, fowling, deer hunting. It
is right now prime time. This great fall winter weather.
You never know. One minute it's fall, the next minute
it's screaming winter. We're just going to call it winter.
Great opportunities. You heard Jay Angland talking about the great
success with some migrating Canadas. We have late fishing opportunities.
(36:25):
Tyler de Laughter, fishing biologist with our Department of Natural Resources,
explained the musky stocking program and as he said, now
with this cold water, great opportunity. Jay told me sidebar
that they went out a few weeks ago and just
had a great time musky fishing. So don't forget about that.
Plus a last minute update giving opportunity our friends at
(36:50):
Hoosiers feeding the hungry Susie Jordan they could always use
the donations, plus an opportunity for late seasons to donate
some protein, folks, even though it's cold. I promise you
I'm going to see in the great Indiana outdoors. Remember
turning a poacher one eight hundred tip I d n
R see you next week. Put something in the freezer
this week.
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