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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 4 (00:28):
The weather probably impacted a little bit of the atmosphere
last night inside of Gamebridge Field House to talk more
about the Pacers and the Cabs last night. He is
the head coach of the Indiana Pacers and he's with
us right now. Rick Carlisle, coach, Good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
How are you good? Sound like you guys were slow
jamming the news there with that music.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
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Speaker 5 (00:52):
Sure? Why not look at that?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's all right? Mark Dyton, jot that down. We might
need that for a Rick Carlile reentry here coming up
later in the season.

Speaker 6 (01:01):
Coach.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Defensively, you guys have been very good over the last
week and a half, two weeks or So, but last
night a lot of second chance points early in the game.
Did you see that as the biggest difference for Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
Yeah, we didn't do a good enough job hidden first
on blockouts, and I think they hit us for nine
or eleven second chance points in the first quarter, and
that was that was a bad start.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Rick.

Speaker 8 (01:27):
When you look at these games and you're able to
kind of climb back into it, I guess what's the
message when you see the version of yourselves that obviously
can't play the brand of basketball you want to, Like,
is that something that you revisit after the game, like, hey,
this is how we have to play the entire four quarters,
or you know how in your face with it?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Are you.

Speaker 9 (01:47):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:47):
Are you you're talking about how we're presently constructed?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, because it is.

Speaker 8 (01:53):
You know, I don't want to say it's an excuse,
but at the same time, there's some legitimate reasons maybe
why you aren't playing your typical brand of basketball.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Yeah, we've had to adjust a lot, and I think
that's obvious. And so look, we've made progress in the
last seven games. So before last night, in the previous
six games, were number one in the.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
League in defense.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
So that's that's progress, and that's something to be proud of.
But as we know, it's you know, it's it's not
a destination. I mean, this all requires continued work, continued focus,
and so, yeah, we had slippage last night. Pretty obviously.

(02:42):
Cleveland came in here on a three game losing streak.
Give them credit. They were very determined and you know,
Mitchell got going and we didn't have very many answers.

Speaker 8 (02:53):
I know you mentioned your defense really planned at a
high level. Of course, some slippage last night, as you mentioned,
But on top of that, look at Jay Huff and
what he's really done for your team over the last
week or so. How have you seen him find a
groove offensively and defensively? Last time I checked, I believe
he was leading the league in blocks per game.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
Yeah, he's uh, he's made great progress. And uh, he's
a he's a terrific kid. You know, he came into
a situation that was quite different than Memphis. There's been
certainly an adjustment period for him.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
You know, a lot of things with our team has
changed this year. But as we've.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Gone along and had you know, some moderate success over
the last seven games, he's been He's certainly been a
big part of it with his ability to stretch the floor.
He's rebounded well, and you mentioned the block shots. I
mean he he's pretty elite in that area.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
PACER's Nuggets coming up tomorrow night inside a gamebridge Field House,
Rick Carlile with us here on the Payloss Slickers Hotline.
You mentioned that number one defense, you know there for
about a two week stretch. You know, what have you
liked from a chain standpoint on that end of the floor. Again,
we've seen some lineup tweaks, but what hasn't been on
the defensive end that's given you, uh, certainly much more

(04:14):
optimism about where you guys are playing.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Probably just simply the fact that we've been physical.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
We've done a.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Reasonably good job of keeping people off the free throw
line when we've had success, our rebounding has been better. Uh,
you know, certainly with the exception of last night and
so and you know, it's nbas is a difficult league.

(04:47):
You know, it's it's a difficult league. It's become more physical.
You know, we were certainly a part of that with
how we played the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
And so.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
You you always have to keep adjusting, and then you
have to adjust your adjustments.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
We need to go back to over the weekend, coach. Obviously,
you guys win the back to back against Washington and
Chicago and you see Pascal Siakam hit that game winner.
You guys been on the wrong side of several vose
shots here throughout the early part of the season. If
you could from your perspective, like what did you see
from Siakam on that play? I was particularly struck by

(05:27):
just his entire demeanor, cool, calm, collected, seemingly knowing where
the clock is, you know, the pump, fake, all of it.
Could you kind of walk us through what you saw
from Pascal in that moment to win the game.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yeah, he you know all the things you just mentioned.
Certainly he had a good feel for the clock. We
tried to space the floor to give him.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
An angle in an.

Speaker 7 (05:54):
Area to go to to get to a spot. It
was not an easy shot, and I was right behind
him in line with the basket, and in real time,
just standing there, it looked like he just he went
to his spot and rose up, but there was actually

(06:15):
a hesitation and it reminded me a little bit of
Dirk Nowitzky. You know, I saw many game winners during
my thirteen years with him.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
I think eleven out of thirteen were with him.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
And Pascal has the ability to at the last second,
you know, very calmly and very coolly, change the angle
of the shot to back up a little bit and
ball goes a little bit higher. You can go up
and try to block it all you want, but when

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he makes that geometrical change and gets to know that,
there's just no way to get to it, and it
was perfection, as deep gold as a I mean, the
only thing better would have been if you know, the
red light.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Had gone on while the ball was in the air.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
But uh, you know, point one on the clock is
uh is pretty damn good and it was an amazing
shot and certainly much needed.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah, I was saying watching that game, we got to
get the home clock operator and give him the walk
off win there with the point once it left on
the clock.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
But Rick, you're touched on a little bit there.

Speaker 8 (07:25):
But how much value do you think it is, especially
in a league like this where there's so many guys
that can you know, do multiple things now as far
as you know, shoot, drive past whatever, But you still
have that one guy at least on your roster. And
I think BENEDICGG has some of this as well, that
when you're kind of in a bind, he can still
get a pretty good look.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You've been around the game for a long time. How
rare a talent is that?

Speaker 7 (07:50):
Well, this is you know, this is a definition of
of a max player. You know, a guy that can
that can create consistently create an advantage for his team.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
So yeah, I mean, really the technical.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
Definition is probably can consistently create an advantage for himself.
But in Pascal's mind, it's it's all about the team
and what he can do for the team.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
And so.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah, it's it's made him, you know, a very special
player for us. He's a very special person. And you
know how he's led through this difficult stretch has been,
Uh has been quite Uh has been quite exceptional because
he's he's remained very upbeat.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
He's had great wisdom. He he you know, he picks.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
The exact right spots to to interject on what's.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Going on and to help and uh, you know, his
consistency has been impeccable.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Ben Rick Carlisle with on the Payloss Slickers hotline, as
pacers will get back to work coming up tomorrow night,
it'll be Patris and Nuggets inside of gamebridge Field House. Coach,
You've talked a little bit these last two days on
the show about how this weekend Saturday specifically is kind
of a dream scenario for IU fans. Their basketball team
will play inside of your building coming up Saturday afternoon

(09:17):
against Louisville, and they'll play in the Big Ten title
one versus two Saturday night. It kind of got me thinking,
I don't know if you've ever asked you this, did
you have a do you have a favorite team, you know,
any sport when you were growing up, or a favorite player.
I get you weren't dialing up League Pass necessarily, but
did you have a favorite team a favorite player growing up?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Uh, you're talking about football or basketball either, I.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Guess any just like childhood, Rick Carlile, did he have
a favorite sport or favorite team?

Speaker 9 (09:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:47):
I mean, you know I followed NBA, you know, largely
through magazines growing up, because you know, we didn't have
cable TV.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I think I probably told you this story, but.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
You know, early on, you know, when I was ten
or eleven years old, you know, that was when Louel
Sander was drafted by the Bucks and he and Oscar
were playing together there and and I became a big
fan of of Al Sander, who became Kareem and then
and then I kind of hooked on with the Lakers

(10:22):
in seventy two when they had their run and at
one point won thirty three games in a row. And
I remember listening to games on AM radio, you know,
during the playoffs that year. You know, back in those
days where we lived up near Canada, you could pick
up AM radio signals, you know, late at night, and

(10:44):
it was it was pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
It was it would come through very clear, you know.
That was that was the year they had you.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Know, Wes Goodrich, McMillan, Happy Harson, and Chamberlain as their starters,
and you know, they were they were great, and you know,
and then after that, I'm just trying to think, you know,
I was somewhat of a Knicks fan, you know, in
the in the early seventies as well. You know, my

(11:11):
dad grew up in Elmsford, New York, which is in
Westchester County. We went to a couple of Knicks games
early on at the Garden. Those were very very memorable.
You know I was in my you know, eleven, twelve,
thirteen year old you know.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Range of age. And then you know, I mean all.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
That kind of came full circle when I got signed
by the Knicks and on December first of eighty seven,
and that night had my best game as a pro,
you know, a massive square garden, and I just so
much of that stuff was was so cool. And then
you know, when the when the ABA NBA merger happened,

(11:51):
you know, Doctor J was was the guy that was
you know, I was completely enamored with, you know, the
style of play, the grace, the dunks.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
You know, all that stuff, and uh.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
You know, of course emulating a guy who you could
you could never in a zillion years hope to play
like was kind of idiotic in a lot of ways.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
But.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
It was, uh, you know, it was it was inspirational,
you know, watching him and so uh and then you know,
the irony of ironies was you know, I was pretty
much a Celtic hater in those days, you know, because
of my love of the Doctor J and the Sixers.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
And then I get drafted by Boston, you know, and
then uh, you.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
Know, once I got there and made the team, of course,
all that changed, and you know, very interestingly, uh, the
opportunity to play with Larry for three years in Boston,
Larry Bird that is, and you know, became became friends
with him, and it it was one of the reasons
that you know, we ended up coaching together and then

(12:58):
working together, you know, a little further on down the line,
but you know, that's kind of the history of my
of my favorite teams, et cetera. You know, as far
as far as football goes, right now, it's the Colts, baby,
you know, I'm just I'm dialed in and you know
it's damn officials.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
The other day. Wait, you know, what a what a
what a screwing that was.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't think they can find you across.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I love to follow up, but I'm worried about your pocket.
I don't know if they can.

Speaker 9 (13:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Roger Goodell can step in their coach.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
He ain't gonna get me.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I love that Adam.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Adam could get me by that, but Goodell can't. He can't,
he can't get he can't touch me.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
So last one I have for you, Rick, And actually
this sparked from a debate I have my family during Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
We always do like, Okay, whose era is better?

Speaker 8 (13:53):
You know you're era with Lebron and you know s
g A now and Yokich versus my dad's from He
loves Michael Jordan and Larry Bird and all those guys
and Doctor j Like you said, so looking at we
were looking at the Michael Jordan game were sped sixty three.
I believe you were on Boston when this happened, and
looking at the spacing from that game, Rick is jarring

(14:14):
to me because it's so different, not taking anything away
from the skill level that you know each era has,
but as a coaching as a player throughout the years,
what has it been like to evolve with the spacing
of the game. And you talked about physicality a little
bit earlier in this interview, but the spacing so different
and how has that maybe affected how you coach and
the rotations you have and things of that nature.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, I mean the other it was maybe a week
and a half ago.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
I was I was going through the channels, an NBA
TV was on and they had Game five of the
playoff series between Philadelphia and New Jersey and it was
it was it was a series that went to a
deciding fist game in the first round.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Every game in the first four games.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Was won by the road team. So you know, uh,
Jersey won the first two games in Philly. Philly won
the next two games in New Jersey. And this is
New Jersey with you know, Michael Ray, Richson, Buck Williams,
Albert King, Otis bird Song, Darwin Cook, you know, a

(15:25):
lot of a lot of good players. And Philly was
you know, it was it was Doctor Jay and it
really was. There pretty much championship team intact, you know,
a couple I think a year.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Or two after the championship and so.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
Watching that game, I had the same I had, I
had the exact same thought. I mean, everything was so
bunched in I don't think I saw one three point
shot taken. In fact, Philadelphia was down, was down late,
and they had a couple of possessions left. They didn't

(16:01):
even think about shooting three, you know. So it was
so so much has changed. And look, there was a
there was a scoring crisis in the nineties and headed
into the early two thousands, and then Jerry Colangelo had
a group that was put together by David Stern. David

(16:22):
gave them autonomy to make some rule changes to make.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
The game better, you know, to to help evolve the
game forward.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
So the big change was you could play any defense
as long as you did not get a defense a
three second violation. And so all of a sudden, instead
of grid lines that determined whether or not, you know,
you were legal or not, you.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Could now guard.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
You can now double team a guy that didn't have
the ball, and that that didn't used to be the case.
So the ball had to had to move, and as
the ball had to move more with you know, the
legality of zone defense, et cetera, players had to develop
a different skill set. The game started to breathe more.

(17:13):
The three point shots started to be realized as as
the potent weapon that it that it's viewed as today,
and that was kind of the beginning of the change
of the game. And then you know, nowadays you have analytics,
You've got a three point line, but a lot of
these guys are shooting from what would be a four
point line. And you know, it's I love the way

(17:39):
the game has changed.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Really the ultimate challenge to play, it's the ultimate challenge to.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
Defend in it.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
And you know, it's just uh, It's just super compelling
because as we've seen over the last two years especially,
you know, no lead is too large and no deficit
is too big, you know, and the three point shot
and the speed of the game is has has put
a great deal of excitement into it.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
So yeah, I'm with you on that, And watch that game.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Five man, I've never seen so many people bunch up
together in the lane. It was the only one, the
only game that that that I would compare it to
that I've seen that I went back years later and
happened to see on TV when we were playing Washington
back in the it was around two thousand and eight

(18:33):
or something. When I first got to Dallas, they had
our Virginia Georgetown game, so that was Ewing versus Samson,
and that game had no three point line, no shot clock,
and and we were sitting in a zone and it
was it was packed in and possessions were.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Super long, and you know, it was it was like
it was like watching paint dry.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
I mean, it was really, it was really it was
really arduous. And so I just I'm thrilled with the
way the games evolved over the years. It had to,
you know, in some way shape or form there was.
There was always talk about, hey, the floor needs to
be bigger, you know, maybe the rim needs to get higher,
all that kind of stuff. You know, none of that
stuff was going to happen because NBA arenas are configured

(19:25):
to be a certain size. There are certain you know,
the high revenue seats were not going to go away,
and so the game had to adjust and it has
and and as we move forward, you know you're going
to see more five men that can stretch the floor,
put the ball on the floor and do all the
skilled things as well, and it'll get harder and harder

(19:45):
to guard.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Now, always take a scoring You guys put up what
eighty something on Cleveland in the first half of the
playoff game last year, and you know, twenty years ago
Pacers Pistons, it was the first one to like seventy
five would win that series in the East Final.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
Yeah, but I'll tell you one, like my first year
in Detroit, you know, we we developed.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
A team that was a tough minded, defensive team.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
That was our identity. We gave up eighty six points
a game for the season. Yes, and you know that
was that was kind of the beginning of this era
that my first year of coaching was that year, and
it was also the first year of the Colangelo rule changes,
and so you know, we we were all adjusting. But
you know, we we had we had defenders. I mean

(20:31):
we had Ben Wallace, who really nobody really knew who
Ben Wallace was at that point in time, but he
became Defensive Player of the Year his second year with
us and went on to win it like three additional times.
And you know under these under these new rules, you
could still.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Have a great defensive team. And so.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
Everyone wants to have an identity, and so right now,
you know, with us, our identity is we've we have
we have found a formula to defend well. But it
is it's great dependent on the right kind of offense
and in the right kind of execution at both ends.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
PACER's have one, two of three.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
Again.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
They got Denver coming up tomorrow night reminder, and I
think it's a good reminder on a.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Day like today.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
You got the Lloyd Pier Samuel Cote Drive coming up,
uh three thirty five thirty today over at the Goodwill
Horizon House right off of Washington Streets. If you can
make it out to that, certainly do coach as always,
Thank you, Sarah.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well chat next week.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Cheers to get the best of the best for today's
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Speaker 3 (22:00):
Stage is set. You just heard Jamb talking about it.

Speaker 10 (22:04):
Indiana and Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship Lucas
Oil Stadium on Saturday night. It will be electric, especially
considering Indiana and Louisville and basketball Gamebridge Fieldhouse Saturday afternoon
and then the nightcap is the big one. We're all
the marbles within the conference and joining us now in
the Java House Peel and poor guest line of course,
you see him on the Big Ten Network and they

(22:25):
will have all kinds of coverage. We also have fan
Fest tickets for the Big Ten Championship to give away.
We will do that upcoming. But Dave Rebsen joining me now. Dave,
let's begin actually with this question, because I know you
guys will be locked and loaded the coverage from the
Big Ten network standpoint of all of the happenings in Indianapolis.
I'm sure our vast your responsibilities will be what during

(22:47):
the time that you're here.

Speaker 9 (22:49):
Hey, Jack, let's see, we're doing Big Tennis Today stuff
from down on the field on Fridays, so that is
noon Eastern time. Well, then I think head over to
the fan Fest and we're doing some hits from there
which will air on the show at night, the Big
Show on Friday night, and then Saturday we have an

(23:12):
hour long preview in the morning. I want to say
that that is at eleven o'clock Eastern. I'm one hundred
percent sure. Maybe it's noon, and then we're on the air.
We're doing all the basketball halftimes from there. I believe
we have four basketball games during the course of the
day on Saturday, and so we'll be doing the halftimes

(23:33):
from there, and then we'll have some football content around
that in the fan Fest. So we've got you know,
if you're going to be at the FanFest on Saturday,
we'll be set up pretty much all day and people
should come on over and give it a listen that
hour long show. We'll have guests. And now while we're talking,
I'll try to get on my computer here and see
if I can figure out the time on that. But

(23:55):
here we go. Yeah, eleven o'clock Eastern time. We'll be
on the air there on Saturday.

Speaker 10 (24:00):
So Dave, let let's begin with this that this matchup
is obviously fascinating between Ohio State and Indiana. If you
were to rank, okay, if between offense and you know,
Ohio State offense, Ohio State defense, Indiana offense, Indiana defense,
if you were to rank those one through four the
unit rankings, they would rank what in terms of this
game going into it?

Speaker 9 (24:21):
Oh man, I mean, I haven't thought of it in
those terms. It's interesting that you would ask. I think
I'd say Ohio State defense, it's definitely the best unit.
I mean, I think you maybe have to argue that
Indiana's defense is the second best unit in this game.
You know, they's second in the nation in scoring defense.

(24:43):
I mean, they've been really good. They're so hard to
run the ball against. So I'd say that, you know,
both the defenses are probably the two best units in
the game. I don't know that we really know. I
know this sounds crazy because we're twelve games in, but
I thought it was pretty interesting thing that sig was
asked yesterday in his news conference, do you think Ohio

(25:05):
State may be holding some things back, and he said,
I think they might be on offense, like, which was
a crazy idea to me, but like the more I
thought about it, the more I kind of thought, you know,
I wonder whether he is right. I do think Indiana's offense,
like what we've seen this year. I think Indiana's offense

(25:26):
is better than Ohio State's offense. Ohio State has the
best individual player in this game. Like, I just think
Jeremiah Smith is a different way.

Speaker 10 (25:37):
Agreed, I really do, David. I actually, and you tell
me if I'm wrong. Here, I told somebody Jeremiah Smith,
if he were to fall asleep and they were to
find him in Lucas Oil Stadium a week from Sunday,
he would be able to suit up and play in
an NFL game. I know he's not eligible to do so,
but his talent level is that. I mean, this is
an NFL receiver right now, right.

Speaker 9 (25:59):
Yeah, no, he's he's really great. And again, like the
Indiana receivers are amazing. So I you know, again, like
I think we're splitting hairs on this whole thing, Jake, like,
and I'm fascinated to see, you know, I don't know
if people have really talked about much. But the Angela
Pons was Jeremiah Smith's high school teammate, so like the
Angela Pons.

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Has covered jam is a and is also a fabulous
player for Indiana, right, I mean he and cornerstones for them.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
Incredible, So you know he have a little bit of
a chif on his shoulder to go one on one
with him. I don't know. I mean it's certainly an
interesting storyline that again I haven't seen people talk about
it a ton, so I think we're splitting hairs. Like again,
I think Ohio States defense is as good as any

(26:47):
if seen, but Indiana's got like a national championship level
defense in andy year.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
And then.

Speaker 9 (26:56):
I think Indiana's offense has shown us that to be
a little it better so far this year than Ohio
States offense. But Ohio State may have the best individual player.
Does I think of the best individual player in the game.
I just I think it's really close, Like there's a
reason in their rank one and two in the country.
These are, in my opinion, the two best teams.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
You know it, David feels to me.

Speaker 10 (27:19):
Dave Repsen of the Big Ten Network is my guest
here on the JAVA House Peel and poor guest Line.
It feels to me like the only difference in twenty
twenty five between these two teams is the legacy.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
You just listen. I went to Indiana, right, I grew up.

Speaker 10 (27:35):
I watched Anthony Thompson, I watched Steve Bradley, I watched
Babe Loathenburg, I watched Sam Whisch's team to all of it.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Right.

Speaker 10 (27:41):
But but and having said that, it's still there's like
one little tenth of me that still is incredulous over
the fact that Indiana is the number two team in
the country and Ohio State feels like this behemoth. Right,
But yet they are kind of mirrors of one another,
are they not?

Speaker 9 (28:01):
They are? I mean, look, it's hard to ignore thirty
consecutive wins, right, I mean, you know, so that part
of it. I mean, I get why you would think
that way as an Indiana fan. I mean, we're talking
about this is the longest wind streak that any program

(28:22):
has had over any other program in the history of
the Big Ten. So I think as a as an
Indiana fan, you are conditioned to think that, no matter
how good you are, when you go up against Ohio State,
it's just not going to work out, and last year
I think kind of maybe reaffirm that. What's interesting to

(28:42):
me was kind of the notion that Indiana said that
they used what happened last year as a tool to
understand where they needed to get and that Signetti really,
you know, he's kind of from the get go. I
don't think he ever, like he hasn't ducked away from
the Ohio State game and after the Dinner Name game

(29:02):
last year saying we got to get better on the
line of scrimmage. These were we were beaten on the
line of scrimmage. They were just better. Both those teams
were just better than us there. And I think he
feeling I mean, they clearly are better on the offensive line,
but this will be a really good test. I mean, well,
we'll see. But again, like kind of to your original question, like,
I just think it's hard if you haven't done it.

(29:24):
I think it's hard for a fan not to look
at it and say, well, we just never beat those guys,
and no matter how good we are, they're always better
than us. I thought, like Adan Fisher, I thought put
it really well this week where he said, hey, we're
twelve and oh for a reason, and you know, we
look at it as two great teams going head to head,

(29:46):
and I think that has to be the mentality and
if anyone can kind of get I don't think the
players have that same mentality that the fans have. I
really don't like. My sense is that Indiana looks at
themselves they say, last year, we thought we're really good.
We went up against them, we realized we have some
things we need to work on, and now we've worked
on them, and now we're going to see how we

(30:07):
match up. But we have every belief that we're going
to win.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
Dave when Dave Repsen is my guest, when you you've
been around Kurt Signette, you guys have done obviously you know,
preseason interviews and profiles and you know a number of
different aspects of it. And you mentioned last year, you
know there was and I get it. I mean, Kurt
Signetti had to have and it's one of the most
remarkable stories in sports, the way he turned around Indiana

(30:32):
and he had to have that exuding confidence that Kurt
Signetti has and it has worked right, But he caught
some heat after the Ohio State and Notre Dame games,
just in terms of the bravada going into the game
and then the coaching in game, et cetera. Have you
seen any difference whatsoever in Kurt Signetti from last year

(30:53):
to this year.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
I mean, I think there's a little less bravado than
there was last year. I happened to like, you know,
we were I was sitting next to him when he
came down. Your guests came up the day of his
press conference and sat there and told Jerry and Nicole
and me, you know, we're going to be back there
next year. And I was so flabbergasted. We hadn't seen

(31:17):
the press offense, so because we're you know, we were
working all day. I really didn't know what this guy was. Like,
I still say, I asked literally the worst follow up
question I've ever asked in my career, where he said
we're going to be back there next year, and like
Nicole and Jerry looked at me and I'm like, you
want to go on record with that, and.

Speaker 10 (31:36):
He's like, yeah, I just did, yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
Like I was so flabbergasted.

Speaker 10 (31:44):
Jacob like totally and in Indiana too, right, you know
what I mean, I get it?

Speaker 9 (31:49):
And yeah, and then like and like, you know, look
I've been friends with Jerry for twenty years, right, I
mean because we there's our nineteenth season the Big ten Network,
eighteenth year, and then we worked together for two years
of ESPN before that, as you know. And so I
don't have the utmost respect for Jerry, you know. And
I mean, like he took over Indiana. I think he
has fifty.

Speaker 10 (32:09):
Five places speaking by the way of Jerry DeNardo for
those yeah coaching.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
So so when Jerry took over in Indiana, right, he's
got I think fifty five players on scholarship. He'd build
the exact number. I think he went through like three
athletic career. I think he says it's like three athletic directors,
four presidents, and six mission statements or something. I mean
it was a disaster, right, like the place which is disorganized.
They weren't ready to win. And I like, I think
the world of him, and I think in different circumstances

(32:36):
he could have been a really successful coach there. And
and so like you're sitting next to a guy who
has walked in your shoes and I don't even think
I don't even know sick knew that, but like I
was almost this sounds so weird. It was almost protective
of Jerry in that moment, liked, do you know a
hard this job is?

Speaker 5 (32:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
No question?

Speaker 9 (32:55):
Yeah, like you know what you're getting into, your sitting
next to someone who's lived it right, and it's crazy
to think, you know, I'd say, hey, horseshoess in haggard A.
It's like he was wrong, man, he was off by
a year, but it's crazy to think that he basically
got it right. Like in that moment, I thought to myself,
this has no idea how hard this job is. And

(33:20):
I'm not saying you can't do it. Look, tom Allen
had him in the top ten, you know, like Tom
Allen had two pretty good years there and then it
just kind of fell apart. So I certainly never think
I don't think any jobs impossible. I think you'd be
good administrative support, good alignment. They certainly had that. In
speaking with Scott Dolson kind of subsequent to the hire,

(33:41):
I think I understood the logic of it, but I
never in a million years would have thought that this
was going to end up where it is as quickly
as it's ended up there. And so yeah, that bravado
and all that caught me off guard. I've kind of
gone down this whole path here back to your original
question of how he has handled a little differently this year.

(34:01):
But I love that about Signetty, Like I love that
he has a process that he believes in that has
proven to work over time, and he doesn't care where
he's doing it, Like, as long as he has the
proper support administratively he believes it, he can get it done.
And the proofs in the pudding he has gotten it done.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
David, I think, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 10 (34:23):
I was gonna say, I think the thing that's so
impressive about him, and you tell me if this, if
you've kind of observed the same type thing. You could
take the third string long snapper on the Indiana football
roster and Kurt Signetti would tell you what size shoe
the guy wears and what way he prefers to tie them.
Like he just seems to know his personnel and how

(34:44):
they respond to every situation from top to bottom as
well as anybody I've seen in coaching.

Speaker 9 (34:51):
I would agree. And look, I think he is a
football junkie, and so I think that that goes to
a lot of different levels. I think part of it
is the psychological aspect and understanding his team and you know,
having kind of a process that he believes in that

(35:13):
he has kind of gone through trial and air with that,
he's learned from people that he's adapted people forget, you know,
everyone has the saving connection. But his dad was an
incredible coach, a Hall of Fame coach, and so he's
been around him. And his brother is a good coach,
and so like there's there's a lot like coaching. It's
just in his blood. But I'll tell you a story

(35:33):
Jake that really, like to me, is indicative of who
Kurt Signette is. And this is something goes back to
Tom Allen. Like when we go and do our camp
visit at Indiana every year, we go up into the
coach's office before the practice that day and Jeff Kagger's
the great sid there. I'm sure you know, you know,

(35:56):
like they are bagels and we have coffee and we
sit and talk to the coach. And we did it
with Tom, and we've done it with seg here these
last two years. And both times we've gone in was
sig we have interrupted him watching film and both years
it has interestingly been well, like what are you watching? Well?

(36:17):
I have cut up some high red zone from across
the country and I'm watching high red zone clips and
it's just really interesting to me, Like that's what he got,
Like that's who he is. And he's not again, he's
not watching his team. He's watching like you know whatever
Arizona you know, plays from the twenty three yard line

(36:39):
or eighteen yard line or whatever it is, right high
red zone. I guess so, and he's just like, wow, okay,
you know, like it was one thing when he went
in the first year, and then the second year is like, hey,
he's doing the exact same thing, Like he can't get
enough football. And whether it's to your point, his team
and his players, or whether it's the game in general,

(37:01):
Like he's always looking for some different He's always looking
for the edge, and I think that's part of what
makes him great. Like he lives, eats, brethes this stuff,
and maybe other coaches are the same way. You know.
I'm not suggesting that he watches more than anyone else
or breethes it, eats it, drinks it more than anyone else.

(37:22):
I'm just saying like there's just something about it that
I think he finds Endless Will fascinating babe, and it's
helped a lot.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
I think there are a lot of coaches that view film.
I think Kurt Signette watches film. Does that make sense? Yeah,
you know what I mean. I think he just from
what I'm told as well. You know, it's it's the
nuance of discovering things in it that go past most people.
Let me ask you this, what bagel are you getting?
Like when they when Jeff kg orders the bagels and
he's like, okay, rep said, Big ten Network, which one

(37:52):
are you going with?

Speaker 9 (37:52):
You?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Blueberry bagel? Everything Bagels says to me, bagel, what are
you going with?

Speaker 9 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm more like sess to me or everything? Blueberry
bagels kind of like a bagel.

Speaker 10 (38:02):
Okay, bagel fare up in eighty sixth Street though they
got a blueberry bege with a slab of cream cheese.

Speaker 9 (38:07):
That is heaven, buddy.

Speaker 10 (38:08):
Let me tell you that's like watching the White Sox
in late October, the total Heaven.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
You don't see it very often, but tell okay, Dave.

Speaker 10 (38:16):
Last thing is the Heisman trophy on the line Saturday?
Is the Heisman going to go to one of these
two quarterbacks? And is it going to be the quarterback
that that statistically outperforms the other.

Speaker 9 (38:28):
That is my feeling. I mean, I'm a Heisman voter.
I consider it my obligation, and you know, I try
to do this kind of down the stretch on in
the process of doing this, of watching everyone who is
in the Heisman Trophy contention play and EVR games, watch
them back, and so I have a pretty good sense
from you know, kind of where I sit as to

(38:51):
how that's going to play out, you know, with my vote.
And I would say this game will go a long
long way toward determining how my vote goes. I think
there are some other players who are really worthy and
Jereman my loves unbelievable. I think Bobby is really good.
I come around about him. But I think, you know,

(39:11):
from where I sit, these two have been have been pretty.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
And how does it work.

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Do you literally just get a ballot and you write down,
say your top five or your top three? I mean
what obviously they come up with the finalists then, right
and they send it to you.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
Or how does it all work Now it's just your
top three?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
You can vote for anyone in the country.

Speaker 9 (39:28):
Okay, it's electronic. They did change it this year, which
is interesting. There used to be a ten day voting window,
which would have already begun. And those of us who
are you know, like who take it really seriously? I mean,
I think there's sponsibility, very.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Very seriously, which is appreciate.

Speaker 9 (39:48):
Who in the world would vote now?

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Right? Right?

Speaker 9 (39:51):
Like, you have to wait until championship weekend to see
every data point for every player, So they've changed it
this year. You cannot vote. I think it's open Sunday
and Monday are It's basically open for like forty eight hours,
so you cannot go before the championship weekend, which I
think is a really positive step because you shouldn't. I mean,

(40:16):
if you're gonna do this what I would perceive to
be the right way, you need to wait until you've
been able to watch every player at every possible situation.

Speaker 10 (40:24):
Dave and the Big ten network crew will all be
in Indianapolis with coverage beginning you said Friday, everything gets underway, right,
and then basically wall to wall Friday and Saturday, including
in the intermission of basketball games and all of it
to cover Indiana and Ohio State.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Right.

Speaker 9 (40:39):
Absolutely, you got it, Dave.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (40:42):
Safe travels down here by all means, and we look
forward to all of the coverage on the Big Ten
network with Indiana and Ohio State. But I certainly appreciate
the time.

Speaker 9 (40:50):
I know you're busy as always, my friend. See you soon.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (40:54):
Dave reps and joining us on the Java House Peel
and Port guest line.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
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Speaker 11 (41:20):
He's a former collegiate quarterback, former NFL quarterback, friend of
the show. You can find him a variety of places,
and especially with Bettonline, dot ag, updated college football playoff,
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that with Dana Cannell, who joins us now again on

(41:41):
the Andy More Automative Group pileline. Hello, Danny, how are you?

Speaker 6 (41:45):
What's going on?

Speaker 12 (41:46):
I am fantastic. I am headed your way on Thursday.
Come up for the Yeah, we'll be up there for
the Big Ten Championship game. I'm covering it. With CBS Sports,
We're sending a crew. I'll be on set with Cardale Jones,
former Ohio quarterback Jenny Dell, who does a great job
as a sideline reporter for CBS's Big Ten package.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
So yeah, man, I'm fired up. Yea, wait, Dan, I'm
gonna have to bring a parka.

Speaker 11 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, the weather, the weather is taking
an unfortunate turn. However, tie breakers on mass f on
what are you doing on Friday afternoon? I can say
tie breakers. I've got the refreshments for you, Danny. Right,
I may not have much, but I've got the adult
refreshments for everybody.

Speaker 12 (42:31):
All right, have your producer text me, text me your
info and.

Speaker 11 (42:35):
Yeahda man, well we would, we would absolutely love to
see you. So we'll go ahead and I'll tell you what.
Let's start with the Heisman Race. How do you have
it right now? And how might some of these performances
here on the inbound end up affecting that race.

Speaker 12 (42:52):
I think that's probably the biggest thing at stake in
this game, is the Heisman Trophy, because win or lose
both teams advancing. Sure, maybe there's a buy on the
line if it gets sideways one or the other. But
I think the Heisman Trophy is probably gonna be won
or lost in this game. Now there is a chance

(43:12):
because as much as people have talked about Ohio States defense,
no one's really talking about Indiana's defense, who has been unbelievable,
the second and scoring in the country. If let's say
Fernando Mendozi and Julian saying go head to head and
it's more of a defensive battle and it's a seventeen
to fourteen game, they kind of don't do much. Diego
pave is just lurking now. He's he's sitting in the

(43:35):
clubhouse right he doesn't have to play anymore, and he's
already booked a ten game season, and he's been phenomenal
for Vanderbilt. He's taking that place, you know, that programmed
place as it hasn't been.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
I think he could steal it.

Speaker 12 (43:46):
But I really, I've been saying for a month that
I think the winner is gonna come from the Big
Ten Championship game.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I do think one.

Speaker 12 (43:52):
Of those quarterbacks, and I've loved I mean, I'm selfish.
I'd love to see him both go toe to toe
and make it even harder on Heisman voters see him
right back and forth type game. But I do think
that the Heisman Trophy is probably one in this game.

Speaker 11 (44:06):
Deddy Canell of CBS. And of course, as I mentioned
a little bit earlier, you can find out the stuff
you need to know better online dot ag. They're updating
the college football playoff Heisman Conference championship lines as well
as it stands. I think minus five and a half
that is Ohio State. And we know about what happened
in Columbus a year ago in November to IU and

(44:27):
that road test against the Buckeyes, how things might or
certainly for IU from their angle, need to change coming
up on Saturday night in that championship game.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
You know, it's funny.

Speaker 12 (44:39):
I was talking to Kirk Signetty probably in early October, man,
I think it was before they played Oregon, and I
just asked him a question similar like what needs to
be different? What did you learn from playing against Ohio
State last year in Notre Dame in the playoffs?

Speaker 6 (44:56):
And he goes simple, he goes, we need more dudes.

Speaker 12 (44:59):
I mean that was his answer, and they went out
and got them. Like this is a different roster that
is upgraded. This team is better across the board as
it's in its entirety. So I think that's the big
thing that's different about this year is Indiana is a
better football team, and I think that's great news. And
I think they you know, they've kind of people again
have kind of taken shots about their schedule, but the

(45:20):
win in Eugene, I think has looked better and better
as the season has gone on, because I think Oregon
is a really good football team and Indiana went in
there and dominated that game physically, Like that was a
thing that jumped out to me. So I don't think
there'll be any question of if they have the dudes
that can go toe to toe with Ohio State. And
with that being like in Ohio State has probably the

(45:40):
best roster in the country, Indiana is not that far behind. Sure,
they don't have the star power of Jeremiah Smith and
Caleb Downs, two guys are probably going to go, you know,
in the top ten of the drafts whenever they're draft eligible,
because Jeremiah Smith can't even come out now and Carnel
Tate is an incredible wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
But I mean I've seen what Indiana can do.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
You know, Omar Cooper stepped up one of the logist
surat since he's been hurt Elijas Sorotipe's health, he's as
good as anybody in the country. They've got an offensive
line that's been upgraded. So I do think this Indiana
team is just a better football team across the board.

Speaker 11 (46:14):
You mentioned that Chrit Signetti told you in October that
they needed better dudes have and to me, I think
it's easily the offensive line and the voice of the Hoosiers,
Don Fisher is a friend of mine. He told me
doing the summertime. Hey, the thing you're going to notice
the most is what you're going to see on the
defensive and the offensive lines in an upgrade, maybe to
a point of physicality that we've never seen with an

(46:37):
IU football program.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
But for you, where.

Speaker 11 (46:39):
Has that dude upgrade been most noticeable this season?

Speaker 12 (46:44):
Oh, I think it's very clear. It's the offensive and
defensive line. When you look at the offensive line alone,
you know they went out and got Pat Cougan, the
center from Notre Dame, and they got Khalil Benson. They
went out and got some guys in the portal to
help lift it up. They got a defensive end and
Stephen daily. You know they've got I got some weapons
there to add in and they got more depth. That's
the thing that probably jumps out, and that's really the

(47:06):
difference because there's a lot of teams, like everybody's got
a even at Indiana and you know, really since Kirkson
that he's gotten there, everybody has four stars and five stars.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
It's just how many of them do you have? And
even then it's.

Speaker 12 (47:17):
Like everybody has three stars that are backups, but how
many do you have so that when you start getting
injuries or you start getting into the grind of the season,
when it's week twelve or it's the Big Ten championship game,
that you can roll deeper and that your backup comes
in to give your starter a rest. And it's not
that much of a difference. It's not a huge drop off.
That's I think in general. It is just the depth

(47:39):
on the offensive and defensive line for Indiana where they're
that much deeper, and by the way, they're that much
more physical.

Speaker 11 (47:45):
Danny KNELLFCBS and bet Online dot AG he's joining us
on the Andy Moore Atomutive Group potline. Who's been most impressive
to you this season from a Heisman angle? Has it
been Mendoza or has it been Saying, So, I think.

Speaker 12 (48:01):
They're both awesome, and I don't I'll just be honest
with you. I don't love Diego Pavia's antics. Like I
would prefer my quarterback to handle himself the way that
Fernando and Julian Saying handle themselves. But I you know,
watching Vanderbilt and how much he has to put the
team on his back, there's a really strong case that
he's the best quarterback, the best most valuable player in

(48:23):
college football. But I do think like this was a
massive upgrade, and that was the one thing because I
was pretty familiar with Fernando Mendoz's game at Cal. You know,
I've watched him a lot last year, saw what he
did on a pretty bad football team, saw his escapability,
and knew he would bring leadership. So I thought they
were gonna get a significant upgrade, and they have, and
he's operated close to flawless for most of the season.

(48:45):
And then I think Julian Saying has been like I
was very skeptical for a guy that's a freshman, granted
he's a red shirt, he was there last year, but
for him to step in and complete in almost eighty
percent of his passes, and even with the weapons, even
against you know, lesser competition, when they're two touchdown favorites,
to complete eighty percent in you know, over the course

(49:07):
of an entire season, there's a lot of guys and
I kids do not there's a lot of starters that
wouldn't be able to do that in seven on seven drills.
To do that in competition is just outstanding. And I
thought he really and both of them see that's and
that's I've really been impressed with both of them. I
think this is going down to the wire because I
was impressed with Mendoza, Like you always want to see
how a quarterback does when he's faced with adversity, and

(49:30):
I thought what he what he was facing against Penn State.
The entire game, he was not having his best game.
He was getting a lot of pressure. And even on
the last drive of the game. You remember, I'm sure
you do, the way it started off was a sack,
you know, face with second and twenty two when he
just steps up and boom right down the field and
the drive and the throws, not only the last one,

(49:51):
but several of the throws were big time throws. Was like, oh,
you know, you've got a guy, and I really haven't
seen that from Julian saying, although I will say for
what he did last week, he kind of had his
little bit of adversity when he threw a pick early
in the game against Michigan and all of a sudden,
the crowd's enthusiastic, and I was very curious to see
how he responded, and he responded in a big way.

(50:12):
I mean, he had three touchdowns over all the game.
That was really his own mistake. But I still do
feel better about Mendoza because he's been in more adverse situations.
More when you look up at the scoreboard, it's like, man,
we need to drive. And whether those were at Cow
or Indiana this year, I feel more confident and yet
Julian saying, there's no reason to doubt him, but he

(50:33):
really hasn't been in that position where he's been trailing
in the second half. So I'm very, very curious if
Indiana can do that, if they can make him uncomfortable,
and even in the fourth quarter, if it's a fourth
quarter game, that can impact you a little bit differently.
Every window gets a little bit tighter, there's that much
more pressure and mistakes are magnified. That's the one thing
I'm very curious to see about Julian saying. But I

(50:54):
feel very good about Mendoza bouncing back no matter what
the situation is.

Speaker 11 (50:57):
He is Danny Knell with us on Andy Moore Montive
Group potline. There have been many to question whether or
not having a championship game does really either one of
these two teams in general any good in terms of losing. Certainly,
now it may be old hats in the past to

(51:18):
Ohio State because the hell they didn't even make it
a year ago and still we saw what they did.
But for Indiana and it's fan base, this is absolutely
a level of incredible that they have never seen. So
I maintain that is still important. But do you have
an argument for this maybe working against either team in

(51:40):
this case and and the overall usefulness of this championship
game situation maybe not being what the fan base here
is excited about seeing coming up on Saturday night.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
I think conference championships in general have been completely diminished.
Now there is some you know, there some value in them,
especially if you're the Big twelve and your BYU you win,
you're in. If you don't you're out the ACC.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
You know, I don't know. I really hope it's not Duke.

Speaker 12 (52:10):
And they have to look at a seven and five
team looking at the playoffs and probably on the outside
in and then the ACC might not get a team in.
But clearly it's big for Virginia and Duke they have
to win. But the SEC and Big ten, I just
don't they don't bring any value whatsoever. And I am
old school, like I I liked you and I appreciate it.
That was always one of our goals that Florida State

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was to win the ACC. But I've never I have
four ACC championship rings. I've never really bragged about them,
but I love talking about my national championship, like that's
the one that resonates.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
I work with Damian Harris.

Speaker 12 (52:41):
He played at Alabama, and he was trying to say, oh,
the SEC championships they matter to SEC players.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
They're just different.

Speaker 12 (52:48):
And I asked him, I'm like, I've never heard you
talk about I asked him, I said, who did you
beat in your SEC championships? He couldn't even remember, but
he can remember who he beat in his three national
title games. You know, It's just it's different from perspective,
and then now with the playoffs, it really it just
doesn't fit in our playoff system. It really doesn't bring
you any benefit. Now, I do think it'd be an

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amazing accomplishment, and I don't want to diminish that. If
Indiana wins this Big Ten and they're a Big Ten champion,
that is unbelievable. But I still think Kirk Signetti and
this fan base and these players, they want to win
a national championship, you know. I think that's the end goal.
That's what everybody plays for, and Indiana is elevated to
a place where that's their goal as well.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
So I look at it.

Speaker 12 (53:29):
I'm just I wonder where I think we're They're probably
going to go extinct within five years, and they're going
to figure out a playoff system where this weekend is
really a first round of the playoff games, and I
think that'll be a better system because I'm used to
watching sports like NFL and NBA and professional bab MLB,

(53:49):
when once postseason play starts, it's win in advance, lose
and go home, and it's just weird to lose and
not have to go home, and like, where does that
do to your psyche and really in football, which is
such a dangerous game. You know, there's nothing really good
that can come out of it, especially if you've secured
your spot. There's only injuries that can happen. So I

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just think that we're in this weird spot right now
with all these issues college football is facing. That's just
one of many.

Speaker 11 (54:16):
It's weird too because when you think about it, then
if this turns into like a weekend of playoff games,
then these playoff teams are going to be done before
the bowl season even gets either way, which is awkward too.

Speaker 12 (54:29):
Yeah, the ball system I think is going to have
to be retweaked too.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
And you know, I guess you could look.

Speaker 12 (54:34):
At it where it's similar to the basketball where there's
the NIIT tournament, and maybe that's what the Bulls turn
into is sort of and that's kind of always what
they have been. It's still a reward for teams that
win seven or eight games and don't make the playoff.
But we still have that now, you know where, and
we saw that in the four team playoff where you'd
have a couple of games after the first first round
of the first four teams playing in the semifinals. It

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still feels weird and I don't think it doesn't make
much sense. But that's the that's the BEAUTI a fully
flawed system that we're working with.

Speaker 11 (55:02):
Ye is Danny Kanelf CBS, there's no doubt about that.
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as well? What do you think is ultimately going to

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be the odd team out in the playoff scenario here?

Speaker 12 (55:26):
So tonight is actually the first ranking besides the first
one when you're kind of curious of where is the
committee going to have all these teams adjusted tonight? Because
I've been bored the last two Tuesdays. I've been kind
of bored, like there's nothing really that was going to
change tonight. I think you're going to learn a lot.
And I think the debate between Miami and Notre Dame
is going to be interesting. What do we learn today?

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Did Miami potentially jump Notre Dames? Does that get them
in there? And I think there's some teams that are
really in a dicey spot because of the BYU situation
and because the ACC situation like it's just like if
you see Duke win. I do think that opens up
the door for James Madison potentially be a second group
of hot team, which is nuts, and I don't think

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they should get in.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
I'd rather them say, you.

Speaker 12 (56:11):
Know what, We're gonna take a fifth, you know, SEC
team or a fourth or fifth Big Ten team as
opposed to those teams. It might sound elite US, but
the group of five is a different level. It's just
a different level. That's why we call it something different.
But I do think BYU. If BYU wins, that could
put potentially Alabama in trouble if they lose the SEC

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championship game, it could put Notre Dame in trouble if
they're right on the bubble, and that could bump them out.
I mean BYU is the ultimate bid steeler that we
could see happen. And then I do wonder what the
committee does if Georgia against Bama. If Georgia wins big,
and I'll say big, it's like seventeen to twenty one points,
I think Alabama's playoff spot is very much in jeopardy.

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And then you'll hear the clamoring from Greg Sankee saying,
why are we playing these SEC championship games if there's
if one of our teams that was in is going
to get left out. But I do think Alabama is
in jeopardy, especially if BYU knocks off Texas Tech and
then you have two big twelve teams.

Speaker 11 (57:09):
Yeah, it's funny about that, And moving on to the
whole coaching thing. And obviously the Lane Kiffin saga took
over college football over the weekend and it's more for
a month. Yeah, it's more for a month. Yeah, it's
more funny than anything I think. But I think it
magnifies to me what Scott Dolson the IUAD did in

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side stepping any controversy whatsoever. In a lot of people
question how much money and what they did to invest
in Kurt Signetti. But clearly, in this college football landscape,
certainly now, that was the right move to make what's
best for your team now and certainly unprecedented territory, what

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should be what is best for your program for the future.
I think that decision earlier this season is even more
magnified with this stink and soap opera. As you mentioned,
we had to deal with with Ole Miss and LSU
and Lane Kiff in the last month.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Yeah, it's it's nuts.

Speaker 12 (58:08):
The college football economy makes no sense whatsoever. I'm going
to read you a quote from Louisiana's governor that he
and that he made after they fired Brian Kelly. He said,
we are not going down a failed path. The guy
that's here now that wrote that contract cost Texas A
and M. You know, seventy some million dollars right now,

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we've got a fifty three million dollar liability. We are
not doing that again. They just did it again. Yeah,
they just they just paid Lamee Kiff in ninety million dollars.
It's probably all full of guaranteed. If it doesn't work
out in four years, they're gonna be sitting on forty
million dollars. They're gonna have to pay him to fire him.
And and I just the football economy makes no sense.

(58:50):
And I love I think Kirk Signetti is a great coach.
But even at the time, I was like, you know,
this is any program ever gonna say, you know what,
We're not going to make that mistake. And again, this
is not a knock on Kirksinetti. I said the same
thing about Rhet.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Lashley and Matt Rule.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
By the way, I wonder how Nebraska fans since Matt Rule,
you know, got his extension and they kept him and
secured him at Nebraska so that he wouldn't leave the
Penn State. They're two and two, they haven't been very good,
and now they're quarterbacks thinking about leaving, like they could
already be regretting the extension they gave Matt Rule. It's
just at some point, I do wonder if any athletic
director or administration across the country, it's like, we're not

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falling for it. We'll go find another coach. If you
want to leave, go ahead. But yet they're all terrified
because if Kerkcinnetti would have left the Penn State, I'm
glad he didn't. I'm glad he stayed and he would
have won a national championship to Penn State in year one.
Indiana fans who lived like, what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Why'd we let him go?

Speaker 12 (59:45):
So I understand it, but it is just such an
It's like it's funny money, you know, it really is.
It's just like monopoly money that's just being spent.

Speaker 11 (59:52):
Well, it is too, but you have to I think,
now try and you're watching Ole Miss protect your assets
as much as as possible. And I think with IU
in terms, this is such new territory that I don't
know what else you would do, and certainly in this
new landscape. You mentioned the economic landscape of college athletics

(01:00:16):
in general here, but the new landscape to where you
can be like you and I've called them the infiltrator.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I mean, like old school programs.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
Don't like it, but you can be IU and be
sustainable now because of the economic situation that's going on
and the transfer portal if you have a formula that
clearly in the past two years, like Kurt Signetti works.
So I don't know what else you do other than
do what you did and have to sidestep a lot
of the controversy that others may end up having to

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deal with.

Speaker 12 (01:00:48):
Right, And I love the fact that Indiana's good now
and Vanderbilt's good now. I mean all people wanted for
the past fifteen years was can we get somebody else
besides Alabama. I'm a Georgia, Clemson or Ohio State, you know,
and then occasionally get an LSU. But like there were
really a small group of teams that could win a
national championship. And now that everyone's been on a level

(01:01:11):
playing field, and everyone who was doing things the right
way and wasn't paying the players and was really you know,
trying to play, you know, having student athletes. Now that everyone,
if they want to, can invest, and now we've seen
what happens. Like Indiana's relevant and they're not going away.
Vanderbilt is relevant. They just signed a five star quarterback
that they flipped from Georgia. Like they've gotten a little

(01:01:33):
taste of it. Now their boosters are kicking in. Last
year was Arizona State and SMU. I think it's great
for the sport because now you've got a whole you know,
how many more fan bases have hope and optimism that
feel like if, man, if those teams can do it,
we can too. But I do think it takes a
special coach like Kirk Signetti and a lot of financial backing,

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a commitment that Indiana's made to the Hoosier football program.
That is a big reason why they're where they are,
why they are where they are, and why they're not
going anywhere.

Speaker 11 (01:02:01):
Yeah, and it also has repercussions for every other program,
especially the upstars of the up and comers who think
that they can get there by similar measures, and they're
all out there to try this now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
So it's yep, it is incredible.

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I'm supposed to get Kurt Signetty on Friday, but out
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