November 10, 2025 • 27 mins
Matt Lee, of Vision Australia Rado program Vision Sports, takes you inside the 2025 Toyota AFL Open, held at La Trobe University Sports Precinct in Bundoora, Victoria. Through engaging vox pops and on-the-ground interviews, Matt captures the energy, passion, and inclusive spirit of this national event celebrating footballers with intellectual disabilities, wheelchair athletes, and blind & low vision players.
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S1 (00:13):
On Vision Australia Radio. You're listening to Vision Sports.
S2 (00:21):
From the long term perspective. Rob, what sort of work
are the AFL clubs doing in terms of AFL open
in that space, in terms of the inclusion part of
things and also in the vision impaired component? Are they
doing some work in helping, developing the you know, this
as well.
S3 (00:40):
So the AFL open is a wonderful event where we
get to showcase, um, athletes from right around the country
in both inclusion and wheelchair formats. So we want we
genuinely want the AFL and everybody to be able to
love and connect with our game. And if we don't
have formats like these, then it's very difficult to be
true to the AFL's vision of love and connection.
S2 (01:01):
What about also the education and awareness about AFL open
and sort of further illustrating to the wider and broader
AFL community that it's all we have to remove the
stigma and trying to break down the barriers. What sort
of messaging are the AFL looking at to try and implement,
you know, steps in that sort of process?
S3 (01:22):
We felt like we wanted to amplify and create a
bigger stage, a bigger platform for our inclusion formats. And
bringing it together also was really important for volunteers, where
they could combine resources, where they could be under one umbrella.
And it also gave us a chance to really recognize
the strong partnership we have with Toyota. And the Toyota.
(01:42):
AFL open is now a flagship event and will become
something that people look forward to in the future.
S2 (01:48):
And what's a realistic participation numbers have? Have you forecast
some numbers for, you know, the future how you want
it to continue to project?
S3 (01:57):
So we want to be able to make sure that
we broaden out firstly, women and girls. We want, um,
men and boys, women and girls to be able to
play in all formats right around the country. So that'll
be the first one. This, this last four days. The
games out there now are being broadcast on Kayo Freebies
and also live streamed on the AFL website. And so
if we can build awareness, if we can make people
(02:18):
aware of these opportunities that they can engage with in
their local state, their local communities, then I think it's
serving more than just the four days of this carnival's purpose.
S2 (02:28):
Joining us on Vision Sports, we're out here at AFL
open out here at Latrobe University. And joining us is
Bridget Jolly. Thanks for joining us, Bridget.
S4 (02:36):
Well, thanks for having me.
S2 (02:38):
No problems at all. Now, Bridget, what a wonderful concept.
AFL open it's a fantastic day out here. But overall,
more broadly than that, really important for people to be
inclusive and diverse with such a great competition.
S4 (02:51):
It's so great to see AFL open and really cool
that Victoria gets to host it, which means that we've
been able to have the AFL blind exhibition match, and
today was such a great, such a great crowd, having
so many people come out and get a better sense
of what AFL blind is all about.
S2 (03:07):
So for people that need a little bit of more
understanding about AFL blind. Tell us a little bit about
the the mechanics of it and and how the game
actually functions and operates in terms of player participation.
S4 (03:19):
The game itself is quite different, but the spirit of
Aussie Rules is definitely still there. So we play six
of field. We play in an indoor sports centre that's
probably like 70 by 40m. We have six players of
field where all gendered and 14 plus. And then we
have three different classifications based on site. So b1, b2, b3.
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And then we have different rules based on those classifications
in how for example a mark is taken doesn't need
to be taken cleanly. Or does it count if you
just get your hands to it? And then things around
scoring are also different. So the the less sight you have,
the more points you get for goals and behinds and
those sorts of things.
S2 (04:01):
So generally the actual structure is normal in terms of
scoring and things like that. But the actual breakdown obviously
we have the B1, B2, b3, um, you know scenario
as well. Criteria. How beneficial has that been? You know,
in the in the forming the concept.
S4 (04:20):
In in trying to get AFL blind up, one of
the things that was really given a focus to was
the idea of inclusion and trying to make sure that
it's a game that all people who are blind and
vision impaired can play. And it's a really tricky thing,
and it's something that the competition continues to try and develop.
But it's such an important thing that we try and
(04:41):
make sure that it's a sport that's not just for
partially sighted people, it's a sport that anyone who is
legally blind can play. Uh, and it's something that, uh,
you see on the field in terms of the players
trying to recognize that, to trying to get everyone involved
in the game, uh, and making sure that we're, we're
(05:02):
thinking about each other as teammates and, and how we
need to support each other on the field.
S2 (05:07):
Very important teamwork in Aussie Rules footy, isn't it? Being
able to bring everyone in and being involved in the
game as well? So it not only has its team structure,
but it has the actual teamwork elements to it as well.
S4 (05:19):
Yeah, absolutely. Making sure it is a team game. And
I think given that it's a competition that's been up
for less than ten years, it's something that so many
people grew up wanting to be able to play and
not having that opportunity. And so recognizing that we want
that opportunity for everyone and making sure that we can
do what we can to support that.
S2 (05:39):
Currently, there's three teams that play in the AFL blind competition.
Tell us a little bit about the clubs that participate currently.
S4 (05:46):
That's right. So we have three clubs. We have Hawthorn
and Saint Kilda and Port Melbourne. I myself play for
Port Melbourne and the Burgh have been part of the
league for two years now, and Hawthorn and Saint Kilda
have been part of the competition for a bit longer. Um,
and we've kind of seen the clubs get on board
(06:08):
and really getting around, um, the blind teams in different ways,
which has been really great to see Say. And essentially
these teams are part of the clubs, so they are
a team within that club land as well, which we're
really liking to see and wanting to see develop even more.
S2 (06:25):
And how important is that for, you know, all three
of those clubs to have that, you know, embracement and
support from those clubs and, and feel a part of it.
You know, obviously wearing the, the club jumpers, um, being
a part of the, you know, the getting the opportunity
to go into the inner sanctum and meet, you know,
some of the, you know, their heroes.
S4 (06:44):
I it's really great. And I think what's really important
is that when we're talking about disability sports, we recognize
that players who play are athletes as well. We have
some amazing footballers within our AFL blind competition, and it's
really important that I think they are recognised as as
amazing athletes. And so when we're seeing, uh, when we're
(07:06):
seeing teams being incorporated into these clubs and recognised that
footy is for everyone and clubs leading that as well,
it's so great to see.
S2 (07:16):
In the future of growth in the AFL blind. Where
do you think it's currently sitting and how can we
continue to expand and and get more people participating?
S4 (07:25):
Yeah, we'd love to see the competition grow a bit more. Um,
it is one of those things of it's still, you know,
as I mentioned earlier, it's less than ten years old.
And we obviously also had Covid in that time. But
now's an opportunity for us to to really grow and
expand and get more people part of the competition. There's
so many ways that people can get involved. We have
(07:46):
come and try days and people can, um, contact the
clubs in Hawthorn, Saint Kilda or Port Melbourne.
S2 (07:51):
So they can come and try days. They've been held
out at Tullamarine normally.
S4 (07:55):
Yeah. So normally they're out at Tullamarine, the indoor action
sports centre there. But sometimes clubs will also have come
and try days that are a bit more local to
their area as well. And they come and try days uh,
at the start of the season will also be hosted
by AFL Vic as well. And obviously it can be
a really big thing to try and get your head
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around what it looks like, so people can also go
to the AFL play website and get a better sense
of how how the competition works. And there are also
some really great videos up on YouTube and also the
AFL blind Facebook page.
S2 (08:30):
Yeah, and it's really important for people to be able
to go and access those that website to be able
to go and have a look and and understand what,
what opportunities there is available. But also how long does
the when does the season generally start and when does
it finish for people that are a little bit unsure
of when those times are play take place?
S4 (08:49):
It has changed a little bit over the last few years,
but generally it starts around May and finishes in August.
And we it's it's changed a little bit sometimes we've
played kind of on fortnightly terms. Um, and sometimes we'll
have some weekends where it's back to back games. We
also do have players who've come in from interstate sometimes
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to play, and so trying to find a way for
those players to be able to come and and it
be worth the travel and those sorts of things as well. So, um,
something to also mention is that even though it's a
Victorian blind football league, we do have players from interstate
who play and have people from interstate are wanting to
know more about it. They can still check out AFL
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play or there might be a blind sports, uh, there
might be blind sports in their states that they could
also contact and see if there's something happening in their state.
S2 (09:43):
Yeah. So head to those contacts and I'm sure you
can find the relevant people. It's really important. But position yourself.
You're a defender. How do you find playing AFL blind.
And uh, tell us a bit about being a defender
in the game. And do you like playing that position
or is there something else where you'd like to potentially play,
or do you like, do you see yourself as a
(10:04):
bit of a defender? Who do you model your your
game on?
S4 (10:07):
I do see myself as a defender. I don't know
if that comes from when I was younger. As a kid,
I played netball and I was a a goalkeeper when
I played netball, and that was quite a defensive role.
And so sometimes even now, I find myself in the
way my stance and those sorts of things. It reminds
me of netball. I think I also do have the
(10:27):
the defender personality kind of thing as well. Um, and
wanting to kind of play in a way that works
for the team essentially. So wherever I'm needed to play.
But that is mostly a defence in the way that
our team sets up in particular, because when we play,
we normally have our B1 category player, um, play forward.
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And so because they get more points for their goals,
but that also then means because I'm not a B1
that then well you know it's less B2 or B3
who generally play forward anyway.
S2 (11:02):
So who do you support in the AFL? Which team
do you have your allegiance to?
S4 (11:06):
Well, I'm kind of lucky in that Port Melbourne doesn't
have an AFL team. So as a VFL, VFL club, um,
obviously Port Melbourne, but in the AFL. I'm Geelong.
S2 (11:18):
You're Geelong so you gotta you got some pretty strong
clubs there. So do you get to go to the
footy a lot. Do you go to the AFL games.
S4 (11:26):
I do go to the footy a lot. I'm an
AFL member and Geelong member and I try go to
as many games as I can. I often go with
my mum and we're both vision impaired, so we'll both
sit there with our radios and our monoculars and, um,
get a sense of the game and follow the game
that way.
S2 (11:42):
Have you had the opportunity to to use the the
Telstra tracker that was, uh, utilised at Marvel Stadium during
the 2025 season? It's, uh, the new, uh, device that's
being created, uh, for for people. Is that is that
something that you'd be keen to pursue? Because I know
a few people that have, you know, came out late
(12:03):
in the season in 2025 at Marvel Stadium. Hopefully we
can get it expanded to other AFL grounds. It would
be a really important asset to people, wouldn't it?
S4 (12:11):
I haven't used it this year, but I have been
part of the testing days previously. Um, it is a
really interesting device. It's something that maybe isn't worthwhile for
me in the way that I follow the football with
my radio and also using my monocular, but it's something
that I can see that would be really helpful for,
for other blind people in the way that they attend
(12:34):
and connect with footy and are able to follow it.
S2 (12:36):
In terms of your your vision, have you been has
that been a lifelong, uh, thing for you? Like myself?
It's a hereditary. Uh, is you've got a connection with
Vision Australia Radio through your uncle and Steve and Joel,
who's famous at the studios of Vision Australia Radio. And
I've bumped into Steve a couple of times and done
some stuff on air with him. Uh, it must be. Yeah.
(12:59):
So to be able to to know that, you know,
some of those people, um, you know, are around and
supporting obviously it's been a lifetime of things for you.
S4 (13:08):
Yes. That's right. So I am a jolly, um. And
I have a lot of jollies, but also on my
mom's side, um, Carmel Jolly, who's a Delaney family on
both sides, who are blind and vision impaired. And so
it's something that I've been connected to the blind community
since before I can remember, uh, and which is something
(13:28):
that as I've gotten older, I've really recognized and understood
the importance of having that connection and understanding and people
to guide me through those experiences navigating life as a
vision impaired person. It's something that I'm kind of very
grateful for, having people in my life who've been able
to support that.
S2 (13:46):
We always talk about people and Vision Australia Radio to
go out and have a go, so this is a
great opportunity for people to do that. So if there's
someone listening to this interview and listening to Vision Sports
this morning, what's the message that you'd like to send
to them about getting involved and being included in this
wonderful concept of AFL blind?
S4 (14:04):
It can seem a really odd thing being like Aussie Rules.
That's not going to be for me. And that's something
that I understood when I first heard that there was
going to be an AFL blind competition, I was a
bit unsure around how that was going to work, but
what I would say is go check it out. Come
down and have a try. Just give it a give
it a go. We have players as young as 14
(14:25):
and players as old as the mid 60s playing. Um,
it's mixed gendered. We have rules to make sure it
is a more safe and inclusive environment. And what I
would really encourage people to see is like just giving
it a go, even if you then decide actually it
is not for me, but giving it a go and
seeing if it is, rather than just kind of assuming
(14:47):
that it's not going to be right for you.
S2 (14:49):
Bridget, thanks for joining us on Vision Australia, Radio Vision
Sports and all the best, and we look forward to
catching up with you at the footy very soon.
S4 (14:54):
Awesome. Thank you Matt.
S2 (14:56):
Joining us now on Vision Australia Radio. Vision Sports is
the victorious winning coach Andrew Panels. G'day, Andrew.
S5 (15:03):
G'day Matt. How's it going. You good. Yeah. Good.
S2 (15:05):
Congratulations on beating South Australia in the AFL Open Inclusion
Championships wheelchair footy final. You must be just delighted to
get the victory. Four consecutive titles for Victoria.
S5 (15:15):
In a Right. Yeah. It was, it was, it was
a very, very hot, hotly contested, uh, tournament. And, uh,
I know there was, it was, it was a very, very, very, very, uh,
experienced South Australian team that came over this year. So
we were we're a bit nervous, but, uh, we thought
we had the game plan to, uh, to beat them
and we implemented it exactly what we wanted to do.
S2 (15:34):
So very hard fought game. It was be very physical,
but it was also a great coaching game, too, because
it very strategic, because, uh, you guys took the game
on when you needed to and, uh, they, they looked
like they were getting on top at periods of time
during the game.
S5 (15:49):
Yeah, it certainly was. It was the, the, the, the
bounce of the ball was very, very, uh inconsistent. And
it's just getting if you get the ball to bounce
your way occasionally and just control the ball, uh, that's
the best way to sort of the game's out and
everything like that. And having Jude go on in the
last quarter, that was actually Nick the captain's goal. He goes, oh,
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let's give Jude a quick run to get get the
extra speed on the court. And, uh, I think we
cooked him in the end. So that was, uh, that
was Latin. Yeah.
S2 (16:17):
It's only been around a very short period of time.
And your involvements as head coach has only been a
couple of seasons. Just take us through your involvement. And
what led to you becoming the coach of the team?
S5 (16:29):
Uh, back in 2019, Brendan Stroud, who was one of
the original guys playing for Victoria and all that drafted
me to Collingwood. Not sure why my wheelchair skills aren't
the best and everything like that. I've been in a
chair for 28 years, but not a not real wheelchair sports, uh,
background or anything like that. Uh, good Mark and hamburger footy.
So progressed to Collingwood for a long time and everything
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like that. And then um, 2021 he passed away. But
just before he passed away he mentioned that maybe my,
my best role is maybe not on the court, but as,
as a coach. So, um, I sort of took on
that role at Collingwood and then progressed following Matty Morris,
obviously through the the nationals and everything like that. So yeah,
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that's how it sort of found a way to head
coach of Victoria.
S2 (17:13):
Luckily it's a very high intense game, very physical and
as we said, very strategic. It it has a lot
of movement doesn't it. It has a lot of similarities
to to basketball and to netball. The way the game's played.
S5 (17:26):
Certainly does certainly does is it's a bit more contact
on us and it's maybe a bit sort of stop start,
because when you mark it, you can sort of control
the tempo a bit more. But um, definitely the intensity.
The guys with the wheelchair basketball backgrounds and all that
really move the ball fast and get up and down
the court. So it's a it's a mix of sort
of the, the momentum you want to keep in control
(17:47):
that you want to keep. And yeah, it's but it's
just high intensity and, and the clash of the chairs
and everything. Just the noise that it makes. It's like
a thunder. It's amazing. Yeah.
S2 (17:57):
How important has this AFL open inclusion championships been from
the wheelchair footy perspective? How important is it for for
people to embrace it and to get involved and for
that inclusive and diversity to be to grow, for participation.
S5 (18:11):
It's it's the best week of the year. We love it. Um,
from the Victorian side of things, we we all know
each other are sort of on the court and what
we do against one another and all that. And then
you get the group together and and bring everyone, everyone together.
And it's it's a real understanding of people both on
and off the court and just getting an understanding of
people's lives and everything like that. But not only just Victoria.
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As you go through the competition, you learn people from
interstate and all that, and you get their backgrounds and
how their competitions run and all that, and it's just
growing every year and the sport online and everything that
we're getting. Um, it's just that that notification and everything
like that and, and the understanding that we get from
more people and the more social media that gets out
there is, is growing. So sport's growing as well, which
(18:55):
is awesome.
S2 (18:56):
And to be able to break down the barriers, it's
really important because we know that everyone has a place
in footy, don't they? And we need to, you know, embrace.
And we also need to get rid of the the
stigma of, of disability 100%.
S5 (19:09):
And that's what that's the best thing about AFL. Um,
no matter the disability that you've got, you've got the
feed of the comp, the the blind comp in Victoria.
The wheelchair comp. Wheelchair comps. Um, like anyone can come
and play it and everything like that. It's just amazing
that the AFL is not that inclusion cup where they're
just growing it and growing it. The feeder girls were
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out there this year and everything like that, and hopefully
that grows next season. It's just amazing.
S2 (19:33):
And message to people that are listening how can they
get involved in wheelchair footy? But more importantly, we always
encourage them to get out there and have a go.
What's your key message to those people that might be
just contemplating whether they should get involved or not?
S5 (19:46):
Wheelchair. Wheelchair. Victoria um, they that the the Victorian AFL
you can get in contact with them with uh Grace
and Steve Hodges or there's five clubs that have currently
got team just uh, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon Kilda and Hawthorn.
They're all got teams you can reach out to. Any
of the guys, uh, reach out on social media. Just message, um,
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the Victorian Wheelchair Football League Facebook page or Instagram page. Um,
people will get in touch with you if you want
to come down the all the clubs have come and
try days come down. We've got spare chairs and everything.
Throw yourself in. Have a try. Have a push. It's
great fun. And it's a real community that everyone's willing
to help you out and and get involved. So please
come down and have. Have fun. It's all about having fun.
S2 (20:28):
Congratulations and enjoy the win and look forward to talking
to you again soon. Vision Australia radio.
S5 (20:33):
Hundred percent. No worries. Thank you very much for that, Matt.
S2 (20:35):
Joining us on Vision Australia Radio on Vision Sports. We
are here at the AFL Open Inclusion Championships and the
victorious defender from Tasmania Bailey. Bailey. Congratulations on a fantastic
grand final win.
S5 (20:48):
Thanks, mate. Yeah. It's been um it's been a good
week so far. You know, winning the third in a row. Um,
not many states can do that. And I've been privileged to.
S6 (20:55):
Captain the three peat. It's also been huge for us.
S2 (20:58):
Amazing game. And it's been an amazing performance to win against, uh, football. Uh,
a strong state in South Australia. But just take us
through your time and your journey in in playing footy.
S6 (21:10):
Yeah, my journey started when I was a little when
I was little Tucker when I was nine, down back
home down Hobart. Um, you and I always really wanted
to play in the AFL, like every kid did. And
of course, that didn't happen because I wasn't good enough.
And I, um, made my way to Sandy Bay and
Sandy Bay made me feel welcome. And I kicked a
lot of goals here and there, but then got a
little ball a lot quicker. So I moved down the
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backline and I found, um, the inclusion carnival and your horizons. They've, um,
made my life journey so much better. Um, namely represents
the state and also an Australian as well, so that's
always pretty keen as well.
S2 (21:44):
How important is these championships, the AFL open inclusion championships
for a person like yourself, but also for your team
mates that you've been able to play with because it's
it's brought together so many people, particularly from Tasmania. In
your in your case, you've had to bring a whole
state together and it wouldn't be an easy task to
bring a team together where you probably wouldn't get to
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do a lot of things together, like train and and
socialise together.
S6 (22:11):
So, um, back home, uh, it's a lot harder because you're,
you know, a lot further to travel. Six from Hobart,
six from the north west and four Launceston. But, you know,
every other state has like a feeder competition. So they
have to play like they play and back home are
going to play mainstream sports. So I feel like that
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matches a little bit better for ourselves. And we can
stay fitter and stronger and have to play that bigger bodies.
So that makes us better for us. Yeah.
S2 (22:40):
How challenging is that for you being able to to
play in the mainstream but also be involved. You know,
because the other players from the other states are playing
in the feeder competition as well.
S6 (22:50):
I think it helps us, you know, helps us play
the mainstream because it makes us better footballers. And you
get different, different, uh, different, um, minds coaching staffs as well. So,
you know, playing that in that role puts a lot
more pressure on us to become better football players.
S2 (23:06):
Who do you model your game on? Bayley. You said
you're a defender. Hawks man. Yeah very good player. He's
had a great year for the Hawks. Yeah all Australian.
Yeah It's a massive Hawks fan. Do you get along
to some of the Hawks games in Tassie, or are
you going to defer to the the new Tassie team
as Brendon Gale been on the phone to you?
S6 (23:26):
Nah, he hasn't been on the phone. Um, I've got
my membership, um, sorted for the Devils, but I'm going
to be a Hawks film for that guy because I
love the Hawks.
S2 (23:34):
How important is this win for Tasmania with Tasmanian Devils
coming into the AFL competition? Is it. How do you think?
How big do you think it will be for the
state when you go back home?
S6 (23:45):
Absolutely. You know the first year we won it, every state,
every whole state was talking about it. Then the second
one that was the same. And the third, it's definitely
the same. The third Premiership meant a lot before you
want it. Um, you know, we get we get the, um,
the Devils in the AFL, you know, it was just
made for people who play sport and see what the
(24:06):
Jackjumpers do in the NBL. They've just shot out of
the league and won the championship four years ago. So
as well it just makes sporting KC.
S2 (24:13):
Take us through the game and some of the players
that have been significant Contributors right across the carnival for.
S6 (24:18):
You. So by the time they kicked three goals early on,
it was too late. And then it went back down
through the middle as well. And like 1 or 2
in the form of scoring goals. And you can play
good players who can play anywhere on the field.
S2 (24:40):
So how do you. Now we talk about inclusion. We
want people to have a go. People listening to this
show and Vision Australia radio. What are some of the
key messages from your perspective for people that might be
sitting back thinking, I'd love to have a go, but
I'm probably not brave enough, but I want to be included.
I want, you know, we talk about being inclusive and diverse.
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How how important is it for people to reflect and
have a go?
S6 (25:06):
I think my conclusion, you know, you look at it,
males just play one like it's competition in the bed.
And then on Tuesday they had a, uh, expedition match
for females like the allies so they get more females
from states like when they come in play, like the
team and all that kind of stuff. It opens it up.
(25:27):
And then also on that day as well, there was
a blind expedition as well. So if they get a
lot more competitions coming through, he'll just make this competition
a lot better.
S2 (25:36):
Yeah, absolutely. And from the perspective of inclusiveness, obviously you
bring together a whole different range of people with disability.
How do you find that? And it brings it really
brings life into perspective.
S6 (25:49):
It does. Like if you've got some people who are like,
need a little bit more attention than other people and
they need to talk a lot more and, you know,
and so it just makes us have to tell them like,
calm down, mate. Like some of the players on the
field when they do something wrong, you know, they don't
like it and they have to get around them. So
that's why we're a good side because we get around
each other as well.
S2 (26:09):
What are some of the key components and messaging with that?
How do you how do you do that from a playing,
but also how do the coaches manage that talking to
Talking to the players and trying to manage that and
coordinate that, because you can't just be. You've got to
sort of be different levels for different players.
S6 (26:26):
So we just got to get our arms around them
and tell them it's all good. Head up, head up,
head up. You know, next possession. Next possession. You know,
it's all about that memo to the players um, as well.
You know, you've got to make them. If they don't
kick the ball, it's all good. So next one, next one.
It's just all about that kind of stuff. Just keep
pushing them to become better players.
S2 (26:43):
And this AFL open inclusive championship, it's getting bigger year
after year.
S6 (26:48):
Our teams as well, you know, it's been good since
they joined the program together. Wheelchairs and inclusion. So hopefully
in the next couple of years there can be a
lot of female contributions.
S2 (26:59):
Well Bayley, we're going to let you go back and
enjoy the celebrations. Congratulations on winning the Division one AFL
Open Inclusion Championships for 2025. And thanks for joining us
on Vision Australia Radio.
S6 (27:09):
Thanks, mate. It's been a privilege. Thank you.
On Vision Australia Radio. You're listening to Vision Sports.
S2 (00:21):
From the long term perspective. Rob, what sort of work
are the AFL clubs doing in terms of AFL open
in that space, in terms of the inclusion part of
things and also in the vision impaired component? Are they
doing some work in helping, developing the you know, this
as well.
S3 (00:40):
So the AFL open is a wonderful event where we
get to showcase, um, athletes from right around the country
in both inclusion and wheelchair formats. So we want we
genuinely want the AFL and everybody to be able to
love and connect with our game. And if we don't
have formats like these, then it's very difficult to be
true to the AFL's vision of love and connection.
S2 (01:01):
What about also the education and awareness about AFL open
and sort of further illustrating to the wider and broader
AFL community that it's all we have to remove the
stigma and trying to break down the barriers. What sort
of messaging are the AFL looking at to try and implement,
you know, steps in that sort of process?
S3 (01:22):
We felt like we wanted to amplify and create a
bigger stage, a bigger platform for our inclusion formats. And
bringing it together also was really important for volunteers, where
they could combine resources, where they could be under one umbrella.
And it also gave us a chance to really recognize
the strong partnership we have with Toyota. And the Toyota.
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AFL open is now a flagship event and will become
something that people look forward to in the future.
S2 (01:48):
And what's a realistic participation numbers have? Have you forecast
some numbers for, you know, the future how you want
it to continue to project?
S3 (01:57):
So we want to be able to make sure that
we broaden out firstly, women and girls. We want, um,
men and boys, women and girls to be able to
play in all formats right around the country. So that'll
be the first one. This, this last four days. The
games out there now are being broadcast on Kayo Freebies
and also live streamed on the AFL website. And so
if we can build awareness, if we can make people
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aware of these opportunities that they can engage with in
their local state, their local communities, then I think it's
serving more than just the four days of this carnival's purpose.
S2 (02:28):
Joining us on Vision Sports, we're out here at AFL
open out here at Latrobe University. And joining us is
Bridget Jolly. Thanks for joining us, Bridget.
S4 (02:36):
Well, thanks for having me.
S2 (02:38):
No problems at all. Now, Bridget, what a wonderful concept.
AFL open it's a fantastic day out here. But overall,
more broadly than that, really important for people to be
inclusive and diverse with such a great competition.
S4 (02:51):
It's so great to see AFL open and really cool
that Victoria gets to host it, which means that we've
been able to have the AFL blind exhibition match, and
today was such a great, such a great crowd, having
so many people come out and get a better sense
of what AFL blind is all about.
S2 (03:07):
So for people that need a little bit of more
understanding about AFL blind. Tell us a little bit about
the the mechanics of it and and how the game
actually functions and operates in terms of player participation.
S4 (03:19):
The game itself is quite different, but the spirit of
Aussie Rules is definitely still there. So we play six
of field. We play in an indoor sports centre that's
probably like 70 by 40m. We have six players of
field where all gendered and 14 plus. And then we
have three different classifications based on site. So b1, b2, b3.
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And then we have different rules based on those classifications
in how for example a mark is taken doesn't need
to be taken cleanly. Or does it count if you
just get your hands to it? And then things around
scoring are also different. So the the less sight you have,
the more points you get for goals and behinds and
those sorts of things.
S2 (04:01):
So generally the actual structure is normal in terms of
scoring and things like that. But the actual breakdown obviously
we have the B1, B2, b3, um, you know scenario
as well. Criteria. How beneficial has that been? You know,
in the in the forming the concept.
S4 (04:20):
In in trying to get AFL blind up, one of
the things that was really given a focus to was
the idea of inclusion and trying to make sure that
it's a game that all people who are blind and
vision impaired can play. And it's a really tricky thing,
and it's something that the competition continues to try and develop.
But it's such an important thing that we try and
(04:41):
make sure that it's a sport that's not just for
partially sighted people, it's a sport that anyone who is
legally blind can play. Uh, and it's something that, uh,
you see on the field in terms of the players
trying to recognize that, to trying to get everyone involved
in the game, uh, and making sure that we're, we're
(05:02):
thinking about each other as teammates and, and how we
need to support each other on the field.
S2 (05:07):
Very important teamwork in Aussie Rules footy, isn't it? Being
able to bring everyone in and being involved in the
game as well? So it not only has its team structure,
but it has the actual teamwork elements to it as well.
S4 (05:19):
Yeah, absolutely. Making sure it is a team game. And
I think given that it's a competition that's been up
for less than ten years, it's something that so many
people grew up wanting to be able to play and
not having that opportunity. And so recognizing that we want
that opportunity for everyone and making sure that we can
do what we can to support that.
S2 (05:39):
Currently, there's three teams that play in the AFL blind competition.
Tell us a little bit about the clubs that participate currently.
S4 (05:46):
That's right. So we have three clubs. We have Hawthorn
and Saint Kilda and Port Melbourne. I myself play for
Port Melbourne and the Burgh have been part of the
league for two years now, and Hawthorn and Saint Kilda
have been part of the competition for a bit longer. Um,
and we've kind of seen the clubs get on board
(06:08):
and really getting around, um, the blind teams in different ways,
which has been really great to see Say. And essentially
these teams are part of the clubs, so they are
a team within that club land as well, which we're
really liking to see and wanting to see develop even more.
S2 (06:25):
And how important is that for, you know, all three
of those clubs to have that, you know, embracement and
support from those clubs and, and feel a part of it.
You know, obviously wearing the, the club jumpers, um, being
a part of the, you know, the getting the opportunity
to go into the inner sanctum and meet, you know,
some of the, you know, their heroes.
S4 (06:44):
I it's really great. And I think what's really important
is that when we're talking about disability sports, we recognize
that players who play are athletes as well. We have
some amazing footballers within our AFL blind competition, and it's
really important that I think they are recognised as as
amazing athletes. And so when we're seeing, uh, when we're
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seeing teams being incorporated into these clubs and recognised that
footy is for everyone and clubs leading that as well,
it's so great to see.
S2 (07:16):
In the future of growth in the AFL blind. Where
do you think it's currently sitting and how can we
continue to expand and and get more people participating?
S4 (07:25):
Yeah, we'd love to see the competition grow a bit more. Um,
it is one of those things of it's still, you know,
as I mentioned earlier, it's less than ten years old.
And we obviously also had Covid in that time. But
now's an opportunity for us to to really grow and
expand and get more people part of the competition. There's
so many ways that people can get involved. We have
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come and try days and people can, um, contact the
clubs in Hawthorn, Saint Kilda or Port Melbourne.
S2 (07:51):
So they can come and try days. They've been held
out at Tullamarine normally.
S4 (07:55):
Yeah. So normally they're out at Tullamarine, the indoor action
sports centre there. But sometimes clubs will also have come
and try days that are a bit more local to
their area as well. And they come and try days uh,
at the start of the season will also be hosted
by AFL Vic as well. And obviously it can be
a really big thing to try and get your head
(08:16):
around what it looks like, so people can also go
to the AFL play website and get a better sense
of how how the competition works. And there are also
some really great videos up on YouTube and also the
AFL blind Facebook page.
S2 (08:30):
Yeah, and it's really important for people to be able
to go and access those that website to be able
to go and have a look and and understand what,
what opportunities there is available. But also how long does
the when does the season generally start and when does
it finish for people that are a little bit unsure
of when those times are play take place?
S4 (08:49):
It has changed a little bit over the last few years,
but generally it starts around May and finishes in August.
And we it's it's changed a little bit sometimes we've
played kind of on fortnightly terms. Um, and sometimes we'll
have some weekends where it's back to back games. We
also do have players who've come in from interstate sometimes
(09:12):
to play, and so trying to find a way for
those players to be able to come and and it
be worth the travel and those sorts of things as well. So, um,
something to also mention is that even though it's a
Victorian blind football league, we do have players from interstate
who play and have people from interstate are wanting to
know more about it. They can still check out AFL
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play or there might be a blind sports, uh, there
might be blind sports in their states that they could
also contact and see if there's something happening in their state.
S2 (09:43):
Yeah. So head to those contacts and I'm sure you
can find the relevant people. It's really important. But position yourself.
You're a defender. How do you find playing AFL blind.
And uh, tell us a bit about being a defender
in the game. And do you like playing that position
or is there something else where you'd like to potentially play,
or do you like, do you see yourself as a
(10:04):
bit of a defender? Who do you model your your
game on?
S4 (10:07):
I do see myself as a defender. I don't know
if that comes from when I was younger. As a kid,
I played netball and I was a a goalkeeper when
I played netball, and that was quite a defensive role.
And so sometimes even now, I find myself in the
way my stance and those sorts of things. It reminds
me of netball. I think I also do have the
(10:27):
the defender personality kind of thing as well. Um, and
wanting to kind of play in a way that works
for the team essentially. So wherever I'm needed to play.
But that is mostly a defence in the way that
our team sets up in particular, because when we play,
we normally have our B1 category player, um, play forward.
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And so because they get more points for their goals,
but that also then means because I'm not a B1
that then well you know it's less B2 or B3
who generally play forward anyway.
S2 (11:02):
So who do you support in the AFL? Which team
do you have your allegiance to?
S4 (11:06):
Well, I'm kind of lucky in that Port Melbourne doesn't
have an AFL team. So as a VFL, VFL club, um,
obviously Port Melbourne, but in the AFL. I'm Geelong.
S2 (11:18):
You're Geelong so you gotta you got some pretty strong
clubs there. So do you get to go to the
footy a lot. Do you go to the AFL games.
S4 (11:26):
I do go to the footy a lot. I'm an
AFL member and Geelong member and I try go to
as many games as I can. I often go with
my mum and we're both vision impaired, so we'll both
sit there with our radios and our monoculars and, um,
get a sense of the game and follow the game
that way.
S2 (11:42):
Have you had the opportunity to to use the the
Telstra tracker that was, uh, utilised at Marvel Stadium during
the 2025 season? It's, uh, the new, uh, device that's
being created, uh, for for people. Is that is that
something that you'd be keen to pursue? Because I know
a few people that have, you know, came out late
(12:03):
in the season in 2025 at Marvel Stadium. Hopefully we
can get it expanded to other AFL grounds. It would
be a really important asset to people, wouldn't it?
S4 (12:11):
I haven't used it this year, but I have been
part of the testing days previously. Um, it is a
really interesting device. It's something that maybe isn't worthwhile for
me in the way that I follow the football with
my radio and also using my monocular, but it's something
that I can see that would be really helpful for,
for other blind people in the way that they attend
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and connect with footy and are able to follow it.
S2 (12:36):
In terms of your your vision, have you been has
that been a lifelong, uh, thing for you? Like myself?
It's a hereditary. Uh, is you've got a connection with
Vision Australia Radio through your uncle and Steve and Joel,
who's famous at the studios of Vision Australia Radio. And
I've bumped into Steve a couple of times and done
some stuff on air with him. Uh, it must be. Yeah.
(12:59):
So to be able to to know that, you know,
some of those people, um, you know, are around and
supporting obviously it's been a lifetime of things for you.
S4 (13:08):
Yes. That's right. So I am a jolly, um. And
I have a lot of jollies, but also on my
mom's side, um, Carmel Jolly, who's a Delaney family on
both sides, who are blind and vision impaired. And so
it's something that I've been connected to the blind community
since before I can remember, uh, and which is something
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that as I've gotten older, I've really recognized and understood
the importance of having that connection and understanding and people
to guide me through those experiences navigating life as a
vision impaired person. It's something that I'm kind of very
grateful for, having people in my life who've been able
to support that.
S2 (13:46):
We always talk about people and Vision Australia Radio to
go out and have a go, so this is a
great opportunity for people to do that. So if there's
someone listening to this interview and listening to Vision Sports
this morning, what's the message that you'd like to send
to them about getting involved and being included in this
wonderful concept of AFL blind?
S4 (14:04):
It can seem a really odd thing being like Aussie Rules.
That's not going to be for me. And that's something
that I understood when I first heard that there was
going to be an AFL blind competition, I was a
bit unsure around how that was going to work, but
what I would say is go check it out. Come
down and have a try. Just give it a give
it a go. We have players as young as 14
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and players as old as the mid 60s playing. Um,
it's mixed gendered. We have rules to make sure it
is a more safe and inclusive environment. And what I
would really encourage people to see is like just giving
it a go, even if you then decide actually it
is not for me, but giving it a go and
seeing if it is, rather than just kind of assuming
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that it's not going to be right for you.
S2 (14:49):
Bridget, thanks for joining us on Vision Australia, Radio Vision
Sports and all the best, and we look forward to
catching up with you at the footy very soon.
S4 (14:54):
Awesome. Thank you Matt.
S2 (14:56):
Joining us now on Vision Australia Radio. Vision Sports is
the victorious winning coach Andrew Panels. G'day, Andrew.
S5 (15:03):
G'day Matt. How's it going. You good. Yeah. Good.
S2 (15:05):
Congratulations on beating South Australia in the AFL Open Inclusion
Championships wheelchair footy final. You must be just delighted to
get the victory. Four consecutive titles for Victoria.
S5 (15:15):
In a Right. Yeah. It was, it was, it was
a very, very hot, hotly contested, uh, tournament. And, uh,
I know there was, it was, it was a very, very, very, very, uh,
experienced South Australian team that came over this year. So
we were we're a bit nervous, but, uh, we thought
we had the game plan to, uh, to beat them
and we implemented it exactly what we wanted to do.
S2 (15:34):
So very hard fought game. It was be very physical,
but it was also a great coaching game, too, because
it very strategic, because, uh, you guys took the game
on when you needed to and, uh, they, they looked
like they were getting on top at periods of time
during the game.
S5 (15:49):
Yeah, it certainly was. It was the, the, the, the
bounce of the ball was very, very, uh inconsistent. And
it's just getting if you get the ball to bounce
your way occasionally and just control the ball, uh, that's
the best way to sort of the game's out and
everything like that. And having Jude go on in the
last quarter, that was actually Nick the captain's goal. He goes, oh,
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let's give Jude a quick run to get get the
extra speed on the court. And, uh, I think we
cooked him in the end. So that was, uh, that
was Latin. Yeah.
S2 (16:17):
It's only been around a very short period of time.
And your involvements as head coach has only been a
couple of seasons. Just take us through your involvement. And
what led to you becoming the coach of the team?
S5 (16:29):
Uh, back in 2019, Brendan Stroud, who was one of
the original guys playing for Victoria and all that drafted
me to Collingwood. Not sure why my wheelchair skills aren't
the best and everything like that. I've been in a
chair for 28 years, but not a not real wheelchair sports, uh,
background or anything like that. Uh, good Mark and hamburger footy.
So progressed to Collingwood for a long time and everything
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like that. And then um, 2021 he passed away. But
just before he passed away he mentioned that maybe my,
my best role is maybe not on the court, but as,
as a coach. So, um, I sort of took on
that role at Collingwood and then progressed following Matty Morris,
obviously through the the nationals and everything like that. So yeah,
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that's how it sort of found a way to head
coach of Victoria.
S2 (17:13):
Luckily it's a very high intense game, very physical and
as we said, very strategic. It it has a lot
of movement doesn't it. It has a lot of similarities
to to basketball and to netball. The way the game's played.
S5 (17:26):
Certainly does certainly does is it's a bit more contact
on us and it's maybe a bit sort of stop start,
because when you mark it, you can sort of control
the tempo a bit more. But um, definitely the intensity.
The guys with the wheelchair basketball backgrounds and all that
really move the ball fast and get up and down
the court. So it's a it's a mix of sort
of the, the momentum you want to keep in control
(17:47):
that you want to keep. And yeah, it's but it's
just high intensity and, and the clash of the chairs
and everything. Just the noise that it makes. It's like
a thunder. It's amazing. Yeah.
S2 (17:57):
How important has this AFL open inclusion championships been from
the wheelchair footy perspective? How important is it for for
people to embrace it and to get involved and for
that inclusive and diversity to be to grow, for participation.
S5 (18:11):
It's it's the best week of the year. We love it. Um,
from the Victorian side of things, we we all know
each other are sort of on the court and what
we do against one another and all that. And then
you get the group together and and bring everyone, everyone together.
And it's it's a real understanding of people both on
and off the court and just getting an understanding of
people's lives and everything like that. But not only just Victoria.
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As you go through the competition, you learn people from
interstate and all that, and you get their backgrounds and
how their competitions run and all that, and it's just
growing every year and the sport online and everything that
we're getting. Um, it's just that that notification and everything
like that and, and the understanding that we get from
more people and the more social media that gets out
there is, is growing. So sport's growing as well, which
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is awesome.
S2 (18:56):
And to be able to break down the barriers, it's
really important because we know that everyone has a place
in footy, don't they? And we need to, you know, embrace.
And we also need to get rid of the the
stigma of, of disability 100%.
S5 (19:09):
And that's what that's the best thing about AFL. Um,
no matter the disability that you've got, you've got the
feed of the comp, the the blind comp in Victoria.
The wheelchair comp. Wheelchair comps. Um, like anyone can come
and play it and everything like that. It's just amazing
that the AFL is not that inclusion cup where they're
just growing it and growing it. The feeder girls were
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out there this year and everything like that, and hopefully
that grows next season. It's just amazing.
S2 (19:33):
And message to people that are listening how can they
get involved in wheelchair footy? But more importantly, we always
encourage them to get out there and have a go.
What's your key message to those people that might be
just contemplating whether they should get involved or not?
S5 (19:46):
Wheelchair. Wheelchair. Victoria um, they that the the Victorian AFL
you can get in contact with them with uh Grace
and Steve Hodges or there's five clubs that have currently
got team just uh, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon Kilda and Hawthorn.
They're all got teams you can reach out to. Any
of the guys, uh, reach out on social media. Just message, um,
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the Victorian Wheelchair Football League Facebook page or Instagram page. Um,
people will get in touch with you if you want
to come down the all the clubs have come and
try days come down. We've got spare chairs and everything.
Throw yourself in. Have a try. Have a push. It's
great fun. And it's a real community that everyone's willing
to help you out and and get involved. So please
come down and have. Have fun. It's all about having fun.
S2 (20:28):
Congratulations and enjoy the win and look forward to talking
to you again soon. Vision Australia radio.
S5 (20:33):
Hundred percent. No worries. Thank you very much for that, Matt.
S2 (20:35):
Joining us on Vision Australia Radio on Vision Sports. We
are here at the AFL Open Inclusion Championships and the
victorious defender from Tasmania Bailey. Bailey. Congratulations on a fantastic
grand final win.
S5 (20:48):
Thanks, mate. Yeah. It's been um it's been a good
week so far. You know, winning the third in a row. Um,
not many states can do that. And I've been privileged to.
S6 (20:55):
Captain the three peat. It's also been huge for us.
S2 (20:58):
Amazing game. And it's been an amazing performance to win against, uh, football. Uh,
a strong state in South Australia. But just take us
through your time and your journey in in playing footy.
S6 (21:10):
Yeah, my journey started when I was a little when
I was little Tucker when I was nine, down back
home down Hobart. Um, you and I always really wanted
to play in the AFL, like every kid did. And
of course, that didn't happen because I wasn't good enough.
And I, um, made my way to Sandy Bay and
Sandy Bay made me feel welcome. And I kicked a
lot of goals here and there, but then got a
little ball a lot quicker. So I moved down the
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backline and I found, um, the inclusion carnival and your horizons. They've, um,
made my life journey so much better. Um, namely represents
the state and also an Australian as well, so that's
always pretty keen as well.
S2 (21:44):
How important is these championships, the AFL open inclusion championships
for a person like yourself, but also for your team
mates that you've been able to play with because it's
it's brought together so many people, particularly from Tasmania. In
your in your case, you've had to bring a whole
state together and it wouldn't be an easy task to
bring a team together where you probably wouldn't get to
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do a lot of things together, like train and and
socialise together.
S6 (22:11):
So, um, back home, uh, it's a lot harder because you're,
you know, a lot further to travel. Six from Hobart,
six from the north west and four Launceston. But, you know,
every other state has like a feeder competition. So they
have to play like they play and back home are
going to play mainstream sports. So I feel like that
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matches a little bit better for ourselves. And we can
stay fitter and stronger and have to play that bigger bodies.
So that makes us better for us. Yeah.
S2 (22:40):
How challenging is that for you being able to to
play in the mainstream but also be involved. You know,
because the other players from the other states are playing
in the feeder competition as well.
S6 (22:50):
I think it helps us, you know, helps us play
the mainstream because it makes us better footballers. And you
get different, different, uh, different, um, minds coaching staffs as well. So,
you know, playing that in that role puts a lot
more pressure on us to become better football players.
S2 (23:06):
Who do you model your game on? Bayley. You said
you're a defender. Hawks man. Yeah very good player. He's
had a great year for the Hawks. Yeah all Australian.
Yeah It's a massive Hawks fan. Do you get along
to some of the Hawks games in Tassie, or are
you going to defer to the the new Tassie team
as Brendon Gale been on the phone to you?
S6 (23:26):
Nah, he hasn't been on the phone. Um, I've got
my membership, um, sorted for the Devils, but I'm going
to be a Hawks film for that guy because I
love the Hawks.
S2 (23:34):
How important is this win for Tasmania with Tasmanian Devils
coming into the AFL competition? Is it. How do you think?
How big do you think it will be for the
state when you go back home?
S6 (23:45):
Absolutely. You know the first year we won it, every state,
every whole state was talking about it. Then the second
one that was the same. And the third, it's definitely
the same. The third Premiership meant a lot before you
want it. Um, you know, we get we get the, um,
the Devils in the AFL, you know, it was just
made for people who play sport and see what the
(24:06):
Jackjumpers do in the NBL. They've just shot out of
the league and won the championship four years ago. So
as well it just makes sporting KC.
S2 (24:13):
Take us through the game and some of the players
that have been significant Contributors right across the carnival for.
S6 (24:18):
You. So by the time they kicked three goals early on,
it was too late. And then it went back down
through the middle as well. And like 1 or 2
in the form of scoring goals. And you can play
good players who can play anywhere on the field.
S2 (24:40):
So how do you. Now we talk about inclusion. We
want people to have a go. People listening to this
show and Vision Australia radio. What are some of the
key messages from your perspective for people that might be
sitting back thinking, I'd love to have a go, but
I'm probably not brave enough, but I want to be included.
I want, you know, we talk about being inclusive and diverse.
(25:01):
How how important is it for people to reflect and
have a go?
S6 (25:06):
I think my conclusion, you know, you look at it,
males just play one like it's competition in the bed.
And then on Tuesday they had a, uh, expedition match
for females like the allies so they get more females
from states like when they come in play, like the
team and all that kind of stuff. It opens it up.
(25:27):
And then also on that day as well, there was
a blind expedition as well. So if they get a
lot more competitions coming through, he'll just make this competition
a lot better.
S2 (25:36):
Yeah, absolutely. And from the perspective of inclusiveness, obviously you
bring together a whole different range of people with disability.
How do you find that? And it brings it really
brings life into perspective.
S6 (25:49):
It does. Like if you've got some people who are like,
need a little bit more attention than other people and
they need to talk a lot more and, you know,
and so it just makes us have to tell them like,
calm down, mate. Like some of the players on the
field when they do something wrong, you know, they don't
like it and they have to get around them. So
that's why we're a good side because we get around
each other as well.
S2 (26:09):
What are some of the key components and messaging with that?
How do you how do you do that from a playing,
but also how do the coaches manage that talking to
Talking to the players and trying to manage that and
coordinate that, because you can't just be. You've got to
sort of be different levels for different players.
S6 (26:26):
So we just got to get our arms around them
and tell them it's all good. Head up, head up,
head up. You know, next possession. Next possession. You know,
it's all about that memo to the players um, as well.
You know, you've got to make them. If they don't
kick the ball, it's all good. So next one, next one.
It's just all about that kind of stuff. Just keep
pushing them to become better players.
S2 (26:43):
And this AFL open inclusive championship, it's getting bigger year
after year.
S6 (26:48):
Our teams as well, you know, it's been good since
they joined the program together. Wheelchairs and inclusion. So hopefully
in the next couple of years there can be a
lot of female contributions.
S2 (26:59):
Well Bayley, we're going to let you go back and
enjoy the celebrations. Congratulations on winning the Division one AFL
Open Inclusion Championships for 2025. And thanks for joining us
on Vision Australia Radio.
S6 (27:09):
Thanks, mate. It's been a privilege. Thank you.
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