December 24, 2025 • 28 mins
Host Jeane Coakley is joined by Jets Legend Marty Lyons to discuss the Green & White's Week 17 matchup with the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Week seventeen of a jet Stream.
I'm Janay Coakley alongside my favorite person, the one, the
only murdy Lyons Marty. We have a fun show, say
because Christmas is right around the corner. We're the week
of Christmas. Uh, Season's almost over, so you know, and
we have a really cool guest coming in. I actually
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worked with him. You know him well. The Jet people,
the Jets fans know him well, so I can't wait
to chat with him. And we have lots of questions
from the fans that are all Christmas related. So mart
are you ready to go?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm ready to go, Jenney, And I think our guest
is one of those coaches that he was never a
head coach, he was the assistant head coach. But in
my opinion, he's a the best special team coach ever
in the NFL and should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now that didn't get guesses, and I don't know what
else will Marty can go? I'm this but I can
see behind you the picture. What's that picture of behind you?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's the picture of when coach Brian came out to
the Jet Complex and we were practicing that day and
it's from left to right over my head. That's Joe Namath,
Richard Todd, Coach Bryant, myself. We were the only three
players that got drafted in the first round that actually
played for coach Bryan in college.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
How cool was that? Do you remember that day?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I do?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It was a special day. There also the offensive line
coach Bob Fry. He played for coach Brian at the
University of Kentucky, so he was in one of the pictures.
But this is a picture that you know, you look
back on and you realize that how fortunate you were
to play for a coach that didn't just teach you
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about the game of football, taught you how to prepare
yourself for the game of life.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Did he comes out the first time he's ever been
to the Jets with you and see you guys?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Or I think that was first time he ever came
out to watch practice. And I don't know what he
was up here for. I don't know if he was
up here for the Hall of Fame, because you know,
all the coaches come in for the College Football Hall
of Fame and they announced them, you know, from A
all the way to z and the colleges that were there,
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so it might have been that time of the year,
but I was very surprised to see him out there
at practice. I think he actually showed up with Joe
and then you know, Richard and I were out there
practicing and it was a great photo. Op.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, fantastic. I love that it's right behind you. What
a cool shot. All all right, Marty, So Christmas is
this week? Are you done your Christmas shopping?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm done? Done?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, what the grandkids do you have?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I have three grandchildren, but my daughter's thirty one, and
she kind of handles all the Christmas gifts and what
we need to get mom and what we need to
get each other. And you know, so I can't tell
you the last time I was in the mall. Yeah
you know, but I did you actually.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Buy any of the gifts or did you let your
daughter do it for you?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, we talk about it and then you know, I'd
let her buy it. But you know, I know that
the Amazon guy coming to the house every single day,
maybe four or five times a day. You know, I
go out there, he goes, oh, so you're Christine's husband.
I go, well, thank thank you. Yeah, but Amazon's just
taken over everything.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's funny because I was actually telling my kids the
other day we went to the mall because they went
to go sit on Santa's lap, and I just said,
you know, this is where we used to shop like
this when you would rush in go Now barely anybody's there.
You just get everything off the internet.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, or everybody's you know, they do that late minute shop.
And like I went to the grocery store the other
day and everything was off the shelf. Now they couldn't
they couldn't stock all the food that was being take
taken and replace it quick enough for the people.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Marty, did you ever have to play on Christmas or
Christmas Eve?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't believe. So I played on Thanksgiving out there
in Detroit and they were eating all those turkey legs.
At the end of the game, they beat us up
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you have it? How hard was it to be
a player and celebrate Christmas? Like to make was that
a hard balance?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know it? It's a it's a two way balance.
So I could see saw. You know, if you're in
the playoffs, you're saying, okay, you know what, we got
a couple more games and then we were in the playoffs.
If you're not in the playoffs, it's like you have
two more games in the seasons over and then it
falls back on the management. Management is going to decide
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who's going to be on this roster next year. The
roster's going to turn over. That's just the nature of
the business. But it won't be the same. The twenty
twenty sixty roster, you know, will be totally different. Maybe
the offensive line they've played pretty well so far except
last week, kind of wonder you know how they could
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give up so many sacks, And a lot of it
wasn't the offensive line. A lot of it was you
had Brady Cook and they're a young quarterback and when
you see it, you got to throw it. Here in
the NFL, you can't see it, and then not throw
it and you hesitate that causes another sack.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, it's interesting because I think the most interesting part
of the game on Sunday when they were at the
Saints was your partner in crime for what?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How long did you work with Bob?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Was Schusan for I worked with Bob for twenty two years?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh my goodness, for twenty two years. You two were
in the boots together. Yeah, and you know how close
he cut it, and he he has only this one
game because of COVID, and he was common from Oregon
because he called the college playoffs and had to get
to New Orleans. You've been in a situation. Do you
ever think Bob wasn't gonna show.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
No, Like Bob said, that's his job, you know, and
you know, to be able to be that talented. First
of all, he's probably doing hockey games during the week.
Then he'll do a college bowl game, and then he
jumps in the police guard right away. He'll go right
to the airport, jump a flight, and then if he
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has to drive to an airport, he drives to an airport.
But yeah, you can always rely on Bob to be
there at the game. And I think that's what makes
working with Bob, what made it so special, is because
if he came in and he lost his luggage, it
was a five minute story. You know, he was just
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like he was breaking down a play. I got out
of the car, I gave him my luggage, that gave
me the receipt. The next thing, you know, I saw
it on the belt. The next thing, you know, got
on the plane and I sat up a front, I
worked on my notes, I got out, and then all
of a sudden, where's my bag? They lost my bag?
How could they lose my bag? Bob? I was just
asking one simple question. Uh, but you're talk about somebody
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that is very, very talented, and I love him to death.
You know, I didn't know him when we first started,
and you didn't know to become good friends and get
to know the family. And I got to see all
of his all of his kids grow up, and as
well as he got to see all my kids grow up.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, so you guys didn't know each other before you
started doing radio together.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No matter of fact. When I auditioned, I auditioned with
somebody else, and I think, you know, Bob might have
auditioned with Greg Buttle. And then I auditioned with somebody else,
and somebody else did and then all of a sudden,
you know what, the guy making the decision, Bobby Prente,
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had been there a long time and he knew what
he was looking for up in the radio booth, you know,
and he put us both together and it was like
we started to gel right away. You know, Bob, it
was a lifetime Jet fan. I mean growing up and
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now to be in the booth. You know, he made
me feel at home and I didn't have to do
that much, you know, because Bob would. Bob would talk
and talk and talk, you know, not Bob. It was
great just listening to him.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Sometimes I go, doesn't he tell the dress best? We know,
we got to get Bob on this podcast eventually.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know what's funny today we had Joe Name It
came in the booth one day and sat right between
Bob and myself and Bob was doing the play by
play and he kept going on and on and on
and on, and then all of a sudden he looked
down and there's Joe Name is sitting between us, and
he goes, oh, Joe, how long have you been here?
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And Joe Nama looks up and he goes, probably about
ten minutes. He was just he was He had tunnel
vision and he had total focus, and the voice infliction
that he has and the memory that he has, he
really doesn't need a spotter up there. You know. He
knows his charge. And that's that's a gift. When you
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can do a hockey game, a college game, and the
Jets game all in one week and not get confused.
I give him credit.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh no kidding. Can we talk a little bit of
I'm switching out giving credit? Can we give credit to
the special teams?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I mean, I'm surprised Isaiah Williams, but he's been able
to do the punter Austin McNamara. I mean, they are
a bright spot on this team.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They are. But do you see what opposing teams are
doing now on the kickoff? They're kicking a They're gonna
give it. They don't want, you know, Isaiah Williams to
touch the ball. And you talk about McNamara, he's changed
in the field position. I don't know how many punts
he's had inside the twenty yard line, maybe inside the
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ten yard line. But I think that's a group that
the Jets should be very proud of. Nick Folk has
only missed that one field goal and that was what
was that like a fifty eight yarder and it would
just you know, drifted a little bit. But now here's
a guy who's been in the league I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Long, but so twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, but you know he's a guy that they should
really look at and say, hey, you know what we're
going to bring you back. He still has a strong leg,
and he still keeps himself in great shape. And you know,
maybe you go into the off season only worrying about
your offense and your defense, and you leave your special
team pretty much intact.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Just have two games left. What do you want to
see from this team the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I want to see him go out there and perform.
I don't want to see like, let's talk about the defense.
You know, gap responsibility is so important. And also if
you're not playing a gap responsibility, you got to keep
those offensive linemen off the knees of your linebackers so
that they can move communicate in the back. Don't have
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wide open receivers on the offensive side of the ball.
You know, run the ball a little bit more. You know,
Bryce Hall has had a great year for a team
that's only won three games. He needs to touch the
ball about twenty times running it. But you're not able
to do that unless you play complimentary football because the
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defense is out there so long and the next thing
you know, now you find yourself in the hole. And
against New Orleans, you know you're going there at halftime.
It's a pretty solid game. Ninety six or six or
three one of the two and they really played hard
and then it just got away from them. So you
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got two games, especially this one, for all the Jet
fans that are gonna come out, Give them something to
share about, give them something to say, Hey, you know what,
we took it on the chin this year. We knew
we were going to build. But you know what, we
feel pretty good going into the off season. We know
exactly the pieces that we need. You know where the
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draft choices are. You know you have draft equity. You
know you can go out there in the free agent
market and try to bring some quality of players in there.
And of course Mouji and AG they have a plan
and plan better be executed pretty pretty good next year
because you know, first year, okay, second year, we're going
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to tolerate a little bit more. Third year, be ready
to go out there and compete at a high level.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You talk about Breese Hall. They just named the Pro
twenty twenty six Pro Bowl. Jet's got two alternates and
bres Hall was the fourth alternate and Isaiah Williams was
the second return specialist. Second alternate for the return specialist,
I'm a little I feel like Isaiah Williams needed to be.
He's a Pro Bowlers turner in the NFL. I got
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Let's talk about Juwan Briggs and I think that he's
done a great job. I like watching him. Such a
good kid, such a good guy. Do you like the
way he plays? Who was that Janay Jwan Briggs? The
big d tackle?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know for a big boy, he moves.
He moves loudly, pretty good. And he can get back
there to the quarterback. You know. That's another thing that
uh what they have six sacks in the last six games,
you know, and you have Will McDonald who has so
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much talent, and Jermaine Johnson, you know he's coming back
off that Achilles. But when you have a game where
you have four sacks and then you have another game
where you have four sacks and then you drop all,
there's got to be a way that you can be
more consistent.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All right, Marty, our guest today is one of the
most respected voices in football, a longtime football assistant coach,
special teams mastermind, and a man whose impact on the
New York Jets still resonates today. You know what I'm
talking about. We're talking about the one the only Mike Westoff.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm gonna say thank you. You were way over, but
thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, you know, like before you got on, we were
talking about the Hall of Fame and all the coaches
that you know, they get elected, and I'm an advocate
of yours. I mean, what you did as a special
team coach and for so many years you should be
in the Hall of Fame wearing that gold jacket.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I very much appreciate that. I'll tell you what. I've
been to the Hall of Fame several times. I mean
I went up there for uh, you know, for Dan
Marino of course back then, and for Zach Thomas, and
I was there with Drel Reeves, and I've been there
a number of times. And I have a theory on
that with people like myself, the fact that you know,
I came very close but then some issues kept me
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from actually being able to do it, of being a
head coach, I think it. I don't think I quite
I don't believe I quite qualified. What I think they're
gonna do. See, They're going to put a trailer out
in back of the Hall of Fame, and I'm going
to go in that trailer and that's where I'll be.
I'll be in that part of it. So I can't
think that I appreciate your saying it, though, I think
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it's pretty cool. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, when you look at everything that you've been able
to accomplish in all the coaches you worked with with
Coach Shulan and Sean Payton, and of course all the
years with the Jets, and you started off I believe
in the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Coach, yeah, and coach defense for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah. But how did you go from making that transition
from being an offensive line coach to being a guru
and putting together a system that actually worked on the
special teams.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's a really good question. I've been asked, When'm going
to get you a job on a ESPN.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
No, it really is. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how.
It was a little bit fortuitous party. I was with
the Baltimore Colts, and my whole story of getting there
was quite a real, quite a story. But anyway, I'm
with the Baltimore Colts in nineteen eighty two. Frank Cush
was the head coach and I was helping. I was coaching.
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I had I had all these jobs, believe it or not.
I was the strength coach and then I hired someone,
but I was for two years. Okay. I was the
tight ends coach. I helped at the offense of line
and I actually helped with linebackers a little bit. And
I was Frank's assistant.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We played two games in nineteen eighty two and they
went on strike. The NFL went on strike for short
You might have been involved in it, were you playing
back then when you were playing them. Okay, they had
a short strike and we were all out, you know,
for quite a while, and Frank was I was jogging
one day and he came by me out in the
hills of Maryland and he told me he was going
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to fire our special teams coach, which probably should have done.
The guy was terrible, but anyway, I talked him out
of doing it. I said, don't he's trying to help
with the secondary. But Carson, you know, the famous defensive coordinator,
was our defensive coordinator, and it was not easy working
for Bud. And I said, just give him a little time.
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I said, I'll take it over, Okay, Mike, I said, okay,
I'll take it. I don't know anything. I didn't have
a notebook. He had a notebook. It should have been
in crayons, the one that he had, crying out loud,
this was terrible. In order to write his you'd have
to wear your NAI's hat. You'd have to put that
out on the right.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And so I said, okay. But what the advantage I
had was I had that that month or so period
of time when we were out on strike. We wasn't
we weren't the players were and anyway, so I just
delved into it. I wrote a notebook, I took my time,
and what I learned very rapidly was that at that time,
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pretty much everybody was doing the same thing, which was
basically nothing. Okay, but they were just kind of, you know,
they had special teams, were kind of spread out among
the staff, and everybody had a little something and it
was all very generic. Well, I learned this pretty quickly
that with that part of the game there was really
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very very little innovation, almost none. There was also, more importantly,
there was very very little and inconsistent regulation. Hardy, you
could try anything. You could do anything back then. So
I said, the heck with it. I did everything. I
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just tried everything. Some of it became you know, they
changed the rules a little bit because some stuff that
I did, but I kind of liked it. I had
a ball and then all of a sudden, I also
realized that before every play, I had a time out.
If I was smart, I had a time out. So
I learned to draw everything, and I actually was pretty
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good at it. I could I could draw very well,
and I would draw it, and I had every Instead
of going in with two kickoff returns, I could have
ten because I would get in the huddle, I'd say
all right, I'd hold that sheet up and I'm sorry.
Now remember Marty, remember now today that and I would
be able to And when you went out there, you
knew exactly what to do. So therefore, when I did
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it all the time, we made very few mistakes. Now
we got beat, of course, you know, players get beat obviously,
but we we everybody knew what the heck to do.
So I became extremely innovative. But there was nothing holding
me back the rules. He could just do everything. So
then and I learned how to. I had to learn
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how to do this at Miami because remember when I'm
there with you know, Marino and Duper and Clayton and
those guys. I mean, the whole the whole gist of
our offense, or excuse me, of our football team went
through our offense. So you know, coachm Shula was going
to make sure we had everybody dressed that he needed
for Marino. Well, you know, all of a sudden, I
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have Joe Rose. You know, Joe does there there there?
You know, I have Joe Rose playing for me. You
know I'm come. I got guys in my development here
that could play better than Joe. You know, it just
was I mean as a special teams player, as a receiver,
he was good. He would catch that ball. So here
I am, and I got to figure out, well what
am I going to do with these guys. So all
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of a sudden, I just started structuring everything. And I
would only ask certain guys to do certain things. You know,
I didn't say just run down and cover a kickoff.
I didn't cover this part of the kickoff. Okay, and
you cover this part, and I had to do it. Well,
we got good at it. We just got good at it.
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And then I got some really good players that came along,
and especially when they all learned that they only maybe
had a small role. So you know, I mean, I'm
I'll give you two defensive guys. You know this very well.
I mean I had on my punt return team, you know,
to put a little pressure on the punter. Well, I
had Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor. You know those guys,
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and you know they can rush the passer. Well, you
know they can rush the punter. Well, then all of
a sudden, everybody had to punt to us in the
middle of the field. Oh, I have oj McDuffie, when
I got Zach Thomas in the middle. So I just
and they only had to play four five or six
sixth plays. That's it. But those four five or six
plays we led the league. We would lead the league.
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And and when I went to the Jets, I did
the same kind of thing. And I'm very proud of
it because I actually had nine guys at the New
York Jets that led the National Football League in returns
and no one has ever done that and no one
will ever do it again.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, because let's talk about wait, let's talk about the
New York Jets and the special team. Oh please, yeah, no, Joe,
and what they're doing. Say it again, I said let's
talk about the Jets and their special teams. What do
you think of what Chris Banjo has been doing. Oh,
it's my guy, he's doing.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
He's my guy. I mean, I love him. You know.
He played for me in New Orleans. He played for
me when I'm proud of what we did there. I
didn't want to go there. I didn't know Sean Payton play.
The truth, I thought he was a pain in the neck. Uh,
but I knew he was a good coach, you know.
I mean, I'm a pain in the neck. So you know,
that's why we've got along so good. It wasn't so good,
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but he played for and he was good. He's a
great kid, you know, smu graduate. You know, he's a
good man, good family. And he was a heck of
a player. Well, when I walked in there, they were
ranked thirty first. Well we finished first, and so I
had a ball and then and then when I went
to Denver, I took him with me. I hired him,
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and then we were always in the top. We finished
the top four or five up those years when I
was there, we were right up there, pretty close. And
so he knows how to do the job. And there
was no question in my mind. I've had several people,
including Sean, made the mistake of saying, you know, this
guy's not you know, he hasn't really had enough experience
and he's not ready for it. And I said, you're
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you're way off, You're way off. I said, I know
he can do it. But right when I was I
knew I had to retire. But not knowing that, San
Francisco called me and they had had come and they
talked talked about my coming out. There a guy on
their staff who said, look and if you could come,
I'll we'll talk to Da da Da Da. I said, no,
I can't do it. I don't want to do it.
I said, but I'll tell you what to do. I said,
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you bring Chris Banjo in and interview him. I said,
and I'll come out and I'll give a hand in
training camp. Make sure he's on the right trail. I
guarant And they were going to do it. They were
gonna do it, and then if they kind of changed,
et cetera, et cetera. But when Aaron Glenn got the
job with the Jets, he called me. I said, Aaron,
you gotta hire him right now, right now, and he'll
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do it, and he's done a very cur I talk
to him every week. I love him. I mean, he's
a good man, he's smart. I mean I watched their
returns and a lot of the kickoff return with the
new rule. Marty and Jenney, you guys know this, it's
so different. It's just so different than what we did
when I was coaching. It's totally different. I personally don't
like it, but you know, I understand it because the
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owners were adamant to eliminate the collision. It was over.
They had had it because there was you know, people
don't know this, but just there had been pending a
billion dollar lawsuit with concussion stuff. Depending they made sure
that they were going to straighten that out. Well, Mike
Westoff brand the kickoff returns didn't exactly straighten that out,
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So you know, they were They listened to me, but
they voted me down. I went up to New York
and I talked to them. I gave them my presentation
and I showed them how what we were able to
do with the Jets, how we could contribute in such
a positive fashion, and I believed that it helped the
Jets to be in the playoffs almost every single year
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I was there, and I know I wasn't responsible, but
I know I helped contribute, and that's what the role
is all about, and that's why I loved it. But
they made the change, and so I look at it
and when I watch it today, most of it looks
like recess, but not the Jets. You watch the Jets returns,
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you take a look at it, you think they're going
to break out every single time. I mean, they look good,
they're well structured, they know what they're doing. They got
guys said, I mean they ran. You know, the other day,
I'm watching the game. I was driving me crazy yesterday
or two days ago. The game's real close, you know,
the game, the game's lesson than you know, not what
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three points or four whatever it was. And the Jets
punt them down to the four yard line, four yard line,
they drive ninety six yards and turn the game around.
But then they kick off to the Jets and they
run it up to midfield, but nothing happens. But as
I tried to I talked to Chris that night and
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I reminded him, I said, you know, in the National
Football League, everybody's a team, but each part of that
team has to contribute. You contribute as an as a
separate entity, and you take pride in that because if
you don't do it well, then you know, who do
you think is going to do it? You know somebody well,
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but when everybody's doing it together, you were part of
some of that, Marty, you know, well, you know what
it's like. You get on a defense that can dominate,
and you know, you take such great pride in it,
and next thing you know, you're winning some games. Well
that's what Chris, that's what Chris Banjo has helped do
with the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, Mike, we appreciate your time. I appreciate your friendship
and your knowledge and your wisdom over the years, and
then truly believe that you have definitely made a contribution
to the NFL and the and the players that you
worked with. I'm sure, man for man, they're saying, hey,
Mike westalf made me a better person.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I had a lot of pride and a lot of fun.
I mean, I really enjoyed it, you know, I wrote,
I wrote the book about it, and I'm proud. Matter
of fact, they're talking about doing a documentary on it.
I think that's pretty cool. So a lot of fun
for me, and I had great guys. I loved my
time in New York. Don't tell me that you can't
win in New York, because the New York Jets can win.
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Last time I was there, we were in the playoffs
and I loved it. I had a ball. There's no
place in the country to win. If you can win in.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
New York, we might have to bring you back next.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I come back. I come back and sit there for
a few minutes and talk and help a little bit.
That's enough for me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, you have a merry Christmas, enjoy the family, and
we'll catch up next year.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Going to be They're not going to be a trailer
at the Hall of Fame. You're going to be in
that Hall of Fame. Okay, my friend
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh thank you so much.
Hello, and welcome to Week seventeen of a jet Stream.
I'm Janay Coakley alongside my favorite person, the one, the
only murdy Lyons Marty. We have a fun show, say
because Christmas is right around the corner. We're the week
of Christmas. Uh, Season's almost over, so you know, and
we have a really cool guest coming in. I actually
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worked with him. You know him well. The Jet people,
the Jets fans know him well, so I can't wait
to chat with him. And we have lots of questions
from the fans that are all Christmas related. So mart
are you ready to go?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm ready to go, Jenney, And I think our guest
is one of those coaches that he was never a
head coach, he was the assistant head coach. But in
my opinion, he's a the best special team coach ever
in the NFL and should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now that didn't get guesses, and I don't know what
else will Marty can go? I'm this but I can
see behind you the picture. What's that picture of behind you?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's the picture of when coach Brian came out to
the Jet Complex and we were practicing that day and
it's from left to right over my head. That's Joe Namath,
Richard Todd, Coach Bryant, myself. We were the only three
players that got drafted in the first round that actually
played for coach Bryan in college.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
How cool was that? Do you remember that day?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I do?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It was a special day. There also the offensive line
coach Bob Fry. He played for coach Brian at the
University of Kentucky, so he was in one of the pictures.
But this is a picture that you know, you look
back on and you realize that how fortunate you were
to play for a coach that didn't just teach you
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about the game of football, taught you how to prepare
yourself for the game of life.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Did he comes out the first time he's ever been
to the Jets with you and see you guys?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Or I think that was first time he ever came
out to watch practice. And I don't know what he
was up here for. I don't know if he was
up here for the Hall of Fame, because you know,
all the coaches come in for the College Football Hall
of Fame and they announced them, you know, from A
all the way to z and the colleges that were there,
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so it might have been that time of the year,
but I was very surprised to see him out there
at practice. I think he actually showed up with Joe
and then you know, Richard and I were out there
practicing and it was a great photo. Op.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, fantastic. I love that it's right behind you. What
a cool shot. All all right, Marty, So Christmas is
this week? Are you done your Christmas shopping?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm done? Done?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, what the grandkids do you have?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I have three grandchildren, but my daughter's thirty one, and
she kind of handles all the Christmas gifts and what
we need to get mom and what we need to
get each other. And you know, so I can't tell
you the last time I was in the mall. Yeah
you know, but I did you actually.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Buy any of the gifts or did you let your
daughter do it for you?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, we talk about it and then you know, I'd
let her buy it. But you know, I know that
the Amazon guy coming to the house every single day,
maybe four or five times a day. You know, I
go out there, he goes, oh, so you're Christine's husband.
I go, well, thank thank you. Yeah, but Amazon's just
taken over everything.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's funny because I was actually telling my kids the
other day we went to the mall because they went
to go sit on Santa's lap, and I just said,
you know, this is where we used to shop like
this when you would rush in go Now barely anybody's there.
You just get everything off the internet.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, or everybody's you know, they do that late minute shop.
And like I went to the grocery store the other
day and everything was off the shelf. Now they couldn't
they couldn't stock all the food that was being take
taken and replace it quick enough for the people.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Marty, did you ever have to play on Christmas or
Christmas Eve?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't believe. So I played on Thanksgiving out there
in Detroit and they were eating all those turkey legs.
At the end of the game, they beat us up
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Do you have it? How hard was it to be
a player and celebrate Christmas? Like to make was that
a hard balance?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know it? It's a it's a two way balance.
So I could see saw. You know, if you're in
the playoffs, you're saying, okay, you know what, we got
a couple more games and then we were in the playoffs.
If you're not in the playoffs, it's like you have
two more games in the seasons over and then it
falls back on the management. Management is going to decide
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who's going to be on this roster next year. The
roster's going to turn over. That's just the nature of
the business. But it won't be the same. The twenty
twenty sixty roster, you know, will be totally different. Maybe
the offensive line they've played pretty well so far except
last week, kind of wonder you know how they could
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give up so many sacks, And a lot of it
wasn't the offensive line. A lot of it was you
had Brady Cook and they're a young quarterback and when
you see it, you got to throw it. Here in
the NFL, you can't see it, and then not throw
it and you hesitate that causes another sack.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, it's interesting because I think the most interesting part
of the game on Sunday when they were at the
Saints was your partner in crime for what?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How long did you work with Bob?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Was Schusan for I worked with Bob for twenty two years?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh my goodness, for twenty two years. You two were
in the boots together. Yeah, and you know how close
he cut it, and he he has only this one
game because of COVID, and he was common from Oregon
because he called the college playoffs and had to get
to New Orleans. You've been in a situation. Do you
ever think Bob wasn't gonna show.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
No, Like Bob said, that's his job, you know, and
you know, to be able to be that talented. First
of all, he's probably doing hockey games during the week.
Then he'll do a college bowl game, and then he
jumps in the police guard right away. He'll go right
to the airport, jump a flight, and then if he
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has to drive to an airport, he drives to an airport.
But yeah, you can always rely on Bob to be
there at the game. And I think that's what makes
working with Bob, what made it so special, is because
if he came in and he lost his luggage, it
was a five minute story. You know, he was just
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like he was breaking down a play. I got out
of the car, I gave him my luggage, that gave
me the receipt. The next thing, you know, I saw
it on the belt. The next thing, you know, got
on the plane and I sat up a front, I
worked on my notes, I got out, and then all
of a sudden, where's my bag? They lost my bag?
How could they lose my bag? Bob? I was just
asking one simple question. Uh, but you're talk about somebody
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that is very, very talented, and I love him to death.
You know, I didn't know him when we first started,
and you didn't know to become good friends and get
to know the family. And I got to see all
of his all of his kids grow up, and as
well as he got to see all my kids grow up.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, so you guys didn't know each other before you
started doing radio together.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No matter of fact. When I auditioned, I auditioned with
somebody else, and I think, you know, Bob might have
auditioned with Greg Buttle. And then I auditioned with somebody else,
and somebody else did and then all of a sudden,
you know what, the guy making the decision, Bobby Prente,
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had been there a long time and he knew what
he was looking for up in the radio booth, you know,
and he put us both together and it was like
we started to gel right away. You know, Bob, it
was a lifetime Jet fan. I mean growing up and
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now to be in the booth. You know, he made
me feel at home and I didn't have to do
that much, you know, because Bob would. Bob would talk
and talk and talk, you know, not Bob. It was
great just listening to him.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Sometimes I go, doesn't he tell the dress best? We know,
we got to get Bob on this podcast eventually.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know what's funny today we had Joe Name It
came in the booth one day and sat right between
Bob and myself and Bob was doing the play by
play and he kept going on and on and on
and on, and then all of a sudden he looked
down and there's Joe Name is sitting between us, and
he goes, oh, Joe, how long have you been here?
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And Joe Nama looks up and he goes, probably about
ten minutes. He was just he was He had tunnel
vision and he had total focus, and the voice infliction
that he has and the memory that he has, he
really doesn't need a spotter up there. You know. He
knows his charge. And that's that's a gift. When you
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can do a hockey game, a college game, and the
Jets game all in one week and not get confused.
I give him credit.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh no kidding. Can we talk a little bit of
I'm switching out giving credit? Can we give credit to
the special teams?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I mean, I'm surprised Isaiah Williams, but he's been able
to do the punter Austin McNamara. I mean, they are
a bright spot on this team.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They are. But do you see what opposing teams are
doing now on the kickoff? They're kicking a They're gonna
give it. They don't want, you know, Isaiah Williams to
touch the ball. And you talk about McNamara, he's changed
in the field position. I don't know how many punts
he's had inside the twenty yard line, maybe inside the
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ten yard line. But I think that's a group that
the Jets should be very proud of. Nick Folk has
only missed that one field goal and that was what
was that like a fifty eight yarder and it would
just you know, drifted a little bit. But now here's
a guy who's been in the league I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Long, but so twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, but you know he's a guy that they should
really look at and say, hey, you know what we're
going to bring you back. He still has a strong leg,
and he still keeps himself in great shape. And you know,
maybe you go into the off season only worrying about
your offense and your defense, and you leave your special
team pretty much intact.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Just have two games left. What do you want to
see from this team the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I want to see him go out there and perform.
I don't want to see like, let's talk about the defense.
You know, gap responsibility is so important. And also if
you're not playing a gap responsibility, you got to keep
those offensive linemen off the knees of your linebackers so
that they can move communicate in the back. Don't have
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wide open receivers on the offensive side of the ball.
You know, run the ball a little bit more. You know,
Bryce Hall has had a great year for a team
that's only won three games. He needs to touch the
ball about twenty times running it. But you're not able
to do that unless you play complimentary football because the
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defense is out there so long and the next thing
you know, now you find yourself in the hole. And
against New Orleans, you know you're going there at halftime.
It's a pretty solid game. Ninety six or six or
three one of the two and they really played hard
and then it just got away from them. So you
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got two games, especially this one, for all the Jet
fans that are gonna come out, Give them something to
share about, give them something to say, Hey, you know what,
we took it on the chin this year. We knew
we were going to build. But you know what, we
feel pretty good going into the off season. We know
exactly the pieces that we need. You know where the
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draft choices are. You know you have draft equity. You
know you can go out there in the free agent
market and try to bring some quality of players in there.
And of course Mouji and AG they have a plan
and plan better be executed pretty pretty good next year
because you know, first year, okay, second year, we're going
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to tolerate a little bit more. Third year, be ready
to go out there and compete at a high level.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You talk about Breese Hall. They just named the Pro
twenty twenty six Pro Bowl. Jet's got two alternates and
bres Hall was the fourth alternate and Isaiah Williams was
the second return specialist. Second alternate for the return specialist,
I'm a little I feel like Isaiah Williams needed to be.
He's a Pro Bowlers turner in the NFL. I got
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Let's talk about Juwan Briggs and I think that he's
done a great job. I like watching him. Such a
good kid, such a good guy. Do you like the
way he plays? Who was that Janay Jwan Briggs? The
big d tackle?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know for a big boy, he moves.
He moves loudly, pretty good. And he can get back
there to the quarterback. You know. That's another thing that
uh what they have six sacks in the last six games,
you know, and you have Will McDonald who has so
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much talent, and Jermaine Johnson, you know he's coming back
off that Achilles. But when you have a game where
you have four sacks and then you have another game
where you have four sacks and then you drop all,
there's got to be a way that you can be
more consistent.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All right, Marty, our guest today is one of the
most respected voices in football, a longtime football assistant coach,
special teams mastermind, and a man whose impact on the
New York Jets still resonates today. You know what I'm
talking about. We're talking about the one the only Mike Westoff.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm gonna say thank you. You were way over, but
thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, you know, like before you got on, we were
talking about the Hall of Fame and all the coaches
that you know, they get elected, and I'm an advocate
of yours. I mean, what you did as a special
team coach and for so many years you should be
in the Hall of Fame wearing that gold jacket.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I very much appreciate that. I'll tell you what. I've
been to the Hall of Fame several times. I mean
I went up there for uh, you know, for Dan
Marino of course back then, and for Zach Thomas, and
I was there with Drel Reeves, and I've been there
a number of times. And I have a theory on
that with people like myself, the fact that you know,
I came very close but then some issues kept me
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from actually being able to do it, of being a
head coach, I think it. I don't think I quite
I don't believe I quite qualified. What I think they're
gonna do. See, They're going to put a trailer out
in back of the Hall of Fame, and I'm going
to go in that trailer and that's where I'll be.
I'll be in that part of it. So I can't
think that I appreciate your saying it, though, I think
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it's pretty cool. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, when you look at everything that you've been able
to accomplish in all the coaches you worked with with
Coach Shulan and Sean Payton, and of course all the
years with the Jets, and you started off I believe
in the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Coach, yeah, and coach defense for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah. But how did you go from making that transition
from being an offensive line coach to being a guru
and putting together a system that actually worked on the
special teams.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's a really good question. I've been asked, When'm going
to get you a job on a ESPN.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
No, it really is. I'll tell you. I'll tell you how.
It was a little bit fortuitous party. I was with
the Baltimore Colts, and my whole story of getting there
was quite a real, quite a story. But anyway, I'm
with the Baltimore Colts in nineteen eighty two. Frank Cush
was the head coach and I was helping. I was coaching.
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I had I had all these jobs, believe it or not.
I was the strength coach and then I hired someone,
but I was for two years. Okay. I was the
tight ends coach. I helped at the offense of line
and I actually helped with linebackers a little bit. And
I was Frank's assistant.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We played two games in nineteen eighty two and they
went on strike. The NFL went on strike for short
You might have been involved in it, were you playing
back then when you were playing them. Okay, they had
a short strike and we were all out, you know,
for quite a while, and Frank was I was jogging
one day and he came by me out in the
hills of Maryland and he told me he was going
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to fire our special teams coach, which probably should have done.
The guy was terrible, but anyway, I talked him out
of doing it. I said, don't he's trying to help
with the secondary. But Carson, you know, the famous defensive coordinator,
was our defensive coordinator, and it was not easy working
for Bud. And I said, just give him a little time.
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I said, I'll take it over, Okay, Mike, I said, okay,
I'll take it. I don't know anything. I didn't have
a notebook. He had a notebook. It should have been
in crayons, the one that he had, crying out loud,
this was terrible. In order to write his you'd have
to wear your NAI's hat. You'd have to put that
out on the right.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And so I said, okay. But what the advantage I
had was I had that that month or so period
of time when we were out on strike. We wasn't
we weren't the players were and anyway, so I just
delved into it. I wrote a notebook, I took my time,
and what I learned very rapidly was that at that time,
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pretty much everybody was doing the same thing, which was
basically nothing. Okay, but they were just kind of, you know,
they had special teams, were kind of spread out among
the staff, and everybody had a little something and it
was all very generic. Well, I learned this pretty quickly
that with that part of the game there was really
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very very little innovation, almost none. There was also, more importantly,
there was very very little and inconsistent regulation. Hardy, you
could try anything. You could do anything back then. So
I said, the heck with it. I did everything. I
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just tried everything. Some of it became you know, they
changed the rules a little bit because some stuff that
I did, but I kind of liked it. I had
a ball and then all of a sudden, I also
realized that before every play, I had a time out.
If I was smart, I had a time out. So
I learned to draw everything, and I actually was pretty
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good at it. I could I could draw very well,
and I would draw it, and I had every Instead
of going in with two kickoff returns, I could have
ten because I would get in the huddle, I'd say
all right, I'd hold that sheet up and I'm sorry.
Now remember Marty, remember now today that and I would
be able to And when you went out there, you
knew exactly what to do. So therefore, when I did
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it all the time, we made very few mistakes. Now
we got beat, of course, you know, players get beat obviously,
but we we everybody knew what the heck to do.
So I became extremely innovative. But there was nothing holding
me back the rules. He could just do everything. So
then and I learned how to. I had to learn
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how to do this at Miami because remember when I'm
there with you know, Marino and Duper and Clayton and
those guys. I mean, the whole the whole gist of
our offense, or excuse me, of our football team went
through our offense. So you know, coachm Shula was going
to make sure we had everybody dressed that he needed
for Marino. Well, you know, all of a sudden, I
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have Joe Rose. You know, Joe does there there there?
You know, I have Joe Rose playing for me. You
know I'm come. I got guys in my development here
that could play better than Joe. You know, it just
was I mean as a special teams player, as a receiver,
he was good. He would catch that ball. So here
I am, and I got to figure out, well what
am I going to do with these guys. So all
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of a sudden, I just started structuring everything. And I
would only ask certain guys to do certain things. You know,
I didn't say just run down and cover a kickoff.
I didn't cover this part of the kickoff. Okay, and
you cover this part, and I had to do it. Well,
we got good at it. We just got good at it.
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And then I got some really good players that came along,
and especially when they all learned that they only maybe
had a small role. So you know, I mean, I'm
I'll give you two defensive guys. You know this very well.
I mean I had on my punt return team, you know,
to put a little pressure on the punter. Well, I
had Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor. You know those guys,
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and you know they can rush the passer. Well, you
know they can rush the punter. Well, then all of
a sudden, everybody had to punt to us in the
middle of the field. Oh, I have oj McDuffie, when
I got Zach Thomas in the middle. So I just
and they only had to play four five or six
sixth plays. That's it. But those four five or six
plays we led the league. We would lead the league.
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And and when I went to the Jets, I did
the same kind of thing. And I'm very proud of
it because I actually had nine guys at the New
York Jets that led the National Football League in returns
and no one has ever done that and no one
will ever do it again.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, because let's talk about wait, let's talk about the
New York Jets and the special team. Oh please, yeah, no, Joe,
and what they're doing. Say it again, I said let's
talk about the Jets and their special teams. What do
you think of what Chris Banjo has been doing. Oh,
it's my guy, he's doing.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
He's my guy. I mean, I love him. You know.
He played for me in New Orleans. He played for
me when I'm proud of what we did there. I
didn't want to go there. I didn't know Sean Payton play.
The truth, I thought he was a pain in the neck. Uh,
but I knew he was a good coach, you know.
I mean, I'm a pain in the neck. So you know,
that's why we've got along so good. It wasn't so good,
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but he played for and he was good. He's a
great kid, you know, smu graduate. You know, he's a
good man, good family. And he was a heck of
a player. Well, when I walked in there, they were
ranked thirty first. Well we finished first, and so I
had a ball and then and then when I went
to Denver, I took him with me. I hired him,
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and then we were always in the top. We finished
the top four or five up those years when I
was there, we were right up there, pretty close. And
so he knows how to do the job. And there
was no question in my mind. I've had several people,
including Sean, made the mistake of saying, you know, this
guy's not you know, he hasn't really had enough experience
and he's not ready for it. And I said, you're
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you're way off, You're way off. I said, I know
he can do it. But right when I was I
knew I had to retire. But not knowing that, San
Francisco called me and they had had come and they
talked talked about my coming out. There a guy on
their staff who said, look and if you could come,
I'll we'll talk to Da da Da Da. I said, no,
I can't do it. I don't want to do it.
I said, but I'll tell you what to do. I said,
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you bring Chris Banjo in and interview him. I said,
and I'll come out and I'll give a hand in
training camp. Make sure he's on the right trail. I
guarant And they were going to do it. They were
gonna do it, and then if they kind of changed,
et cetera, et cetera. But when Aaron Glenn got the
job with the Jets, he called me. I said, Aaron,
you gotta hire him right now, right now, and he'll
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do it, and he's done a very cur I talk
to him every week. I love him. I mean, he's
a good man, he's smart. I mean I watched their
returns and a lot of the kickoff return with the
new rule. Marty and Jenney, you guys know this, it's
so different. It's just so different than what we did
when I was coaching. It's totally different. I personally don't
like it, but you know, I understand it because the
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owners were adamant to eliminate the collision. It was over.
They had had it because there was you know, people
don't know this, but just there had been pending a
billion dollar lawsuit with concussion stuff. Depending they made sure
that they were going to straighten that out. Well, Mike
Westoff brand the kickoff returns didn't exactly straighten that out,
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So you know, they were They listened to me, but
they voted me down. I went up to New York
and I talked to them. I gave them my presentation
and I showed them how what we were able to
do with the Jets, how we could contribute in such
a positive fashion, and I believed that it helped the
Jets to be in the playoffs almost every single year
(25:37):
I was there, and I know I wasn't responsible, but
I know I helped contribute, and that's what the role
is all about, and that's why I loved it. But
they made the change, and so I look at it
and when I watch it today, most of it looks
like recess, but not the Jets. You watch the Jets returns,
(25:57):
you take a look at it, you think they're going
to break out every single time. I mean, they look good,
they're well structured, they know what they're doing. They got
guys said, I mean they ran. You know, the other day,
I'm watching the game. I was driving me crazy yesterday
or two days ago. The game's real close, you know,
the game, the game's lesson than you know, not what
(26:18):
three points or four whatever it was. And the Jets
punt them down to the four yard line, four yard line,
they drive ninety six yards and turn the game around.
But then they kick off to the Jets and they
run it up to midfield, but nothing happens. But as
I tried to I talked to Chris that night and
(26:39):
I reminded him, I said, you know, in the National
Football League, everybody's a team, but each part of that
team has to contribute. You contribute as an as a
separate entity, and you take pride in that because if
you don't do it well, then you know, who do
you think is going to do it? You know somebody well,
(27:01):
but when everybody's doing it together, you were part of
some of that, Marty, you know, well, you know what
it's like. You get on a defense that can dominate,
and you know, you take such great pride in it,
and next thing you know, you're winning some games. Well
that's what Chris, that's what Chris Banjo has helped do
with the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, Mike, we appreciate your time. I appreciate your friendship
and your knowledge and your wisdom over the years, and
then truly believe that you have definitely made a contribution
to the NFL and the and the players that you
worked with. I'm sure, man for man, they're saying, hey,
Mike westalf made me a better person.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I had a lot of pride and a lot of fun.
I mean, I really enjoyed it, you know, I wrote,
I wrote the book about it, and I'm proud. Matter
of fact, they're talking about doing a documentary on it.
I think that's pretty cool. So a lot of fun
for me, and I had great guys. I loved my
time in New York. Don't tell me that you can't
win in New York, because the New York Jets can win.
(28:00):
Last time I was there, we were in the playoffs
and I loved it. I had a ball. There's no
place in the country to win. If you can win in.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
New York, we might have to bring you back next.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I come back. I come back and sit there for
a few minutes and talk and help a little bit.
That's enough for me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, you have a merry Christmas, enjoy the family, and
we'll catch up next year.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Going to be They're not going to be a trailer
at the Hall of Fame. You're going to be in
that Hall of Fame. Okay, my friend
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh thank you so much.
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