March 10, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode of Life & Lemons, we’re joined by Helen Jacobs, author, podcaster, mentor, and energy forecaster. Helen shares how the most terrifying experiences can often lead to the most transformative moments, and how we can embrace life’s uncertainties.
We also dive into the intriguing world of signs from the Universe. Do they truly exist? How can we spot them without getting caught in confusion or fear? Plus, Helen opens up about whether seeking a psychic is for everyone, and why it's essential to understand yourself first before seeking external guidance. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that will help you trust your intuition and live in alignment with what’s meant for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
A Podhay production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Please note that this conversation is a big one. We
were discussing grief, loss and mental health. If this isn't
the conversation for you today, that's okay. Please join us
on one of our other episodes. Welcome to Just Life
and Lemons.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Ash and I'm Kayla.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This podcast is all about embracing life's lemons and making
them into something beautiful. We've had a fair few lemons
thrown it away, but we're not letting that stop us.
I'm so excited for today's episode. Today we are joined
by Helen Jacobs. Helen is an author, podcaster, mentor, and
energy forecaster and I have had the pleasure of knowing
(00:47):
Helen for many years. Helen is the first person that
I told when Kayla and I started talking about this podcast,
so I didn't even tell my family or friends. I
actually arranged a call with Helen and asked her advice first.
And I actually remember the conversation. I barely even finished
explaining it, and you almost interrupted me to say yes.
And then I said, oh, well, can I tell you more?
(01:08):
And then he said yeah, but the answer is yes,
do it? So I guess we have Helen to thank
for being here, but really excited to have you here today, Helen,
and I really want to start by asking you to
share a little bit about you and what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Look, my background, like no one grows up wanting to
be a psychic or a medium, and if anything, I
would have really avoided it. But life gave me a lemon,
and so you know, the long run was I've turned
it into something that hopefully helps other people but has
created a really beautiful life for me as well. And
I get to peer into the future or peer into
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people's lives or connect them with people or events, whether
that's past, present, future. And it's pretty incredible to say
that's my job.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, but it's not just your job. There's a lot
to it. Like I said, author, podcaster, mentor, and energy forecaster.
So energy forecaster is probably the one that we don't
hear a lot of. Explain a little bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, Look, I think a lot of people are probably
more familiar to say with astrology, which you know, uses
planets and placements, and based on that we could say
this thing's going to happen. I am not an astrologer,
but I have what I call a spiritual support team.
(02:26):
It's essentially like a team that is in some other
dimension somewhere who are feeding to me the information. So
I will have an inside of maybe not the specifics
of every event collectively, but I had a good sense
of COVID when it came the Australian bushfires. You know,
there are things collectively that I'll see ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And you talk as well. I know in our conversations
you talk about both collective energy and individual and that
can be different. So you are talking both the individual
observations or experiences, but also what happens on even a
global scale at times.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So if we were to say think about at an
individual level, my belief is we're all here for a reason.
We're all learning particular lessons, we're experiencing particular things, and
so the idea of a soul blueprint that may be
assigned to one person and what they're here to learn,
but as a whole, you know, and it doesn't take
(03:24):
a sidekick to know this. We can see that there
is this massive change that is happening collectively, and my
belief is that it is actually all perfect, and it's
all moving us in a particular direction. It's just not
so fun in the middle of it, And so each
of us has a role to play in that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
What was that pivotal moment that you realize this was
your path that you were supposed to take.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
The main event was when I was nineteen, I was
studying journalism. My aunt had passed away, and so she
was really the first person close to me who'd passed away.
Three weeks after her passing, I woke up one morning
and I'd had a dream about her where I saw
lots of different things in her life that there was
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no way, as her nineteen year old niece, I knew
any of this. So when my mum woke up, I
spoke to her and then look, the best way that
I can describe it is for the next four hours,
she inhabited my body and spoke to my mum and
passed on messages for her kids. So that was the
big moment, which I then was terrified about. I found
(04:30):
it incredibly like, could you even imagine at nineteen, well,
at any age, having that happened to you, but particularly
at nineteen. I went on and worked in pr and
it was happy enough. It was like, I probably need
to find out what that thing was so that was
the other pivotal moment where I was like, I don't
feel like I'm on the right path. There's something more
(04:53):
for me. So actually, at that moment, it was my
intuition which sort of led me through letting go of
a whole heap of things. But then the voices started
and I was like, oh, okay, I did know that
this was going to happen. So then I had to
figure out who or what is talking to me, and
what do I do with this, and what do I
even want to make of this?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right, So, at that point, you'd made the choice to
step away from the corporate world and the PR space
and focus on this as a new career.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Look, I hatched my bed.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I was willing to walk. So I was in an agency.
I was willing to leave the agency to just see
what happened. Was offered another PR job, which incidentally, I
knew I was going to meet someone there and I
did and we're now married, and so I only had
to stay there six months for that time. You know start, well, yes,
my boss knows that now she was at the wedding,
(05:48):
but life intervened. So one of the things of being
in PR is that you have a lot of other
friends in PR and media, and so when they got
a taste of what I was doing of an evening,
so I was pr by day and psychic by night.
A friend of mine called wind of what I was
doing and she said, look, can I interview? I think
(06:09):
this would be a really interesting piece. And I thought
it was going to be like a local piece, but
it got picked up and syndicated. It was one of
the top lifestyle pieces across nationally in multiple publications. And
so when that ran, somehow people found me and I
woke up the next day to an inbox full of people,
(06:34):
and so I very quickly had to figure out what
am I going to do? Now? How do I do
this for people all over the country? And so, you know,
you just kind of wing it on the flight. But
it's not the worst problem. It's not a bad lemon
a ta thrown out of.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
These people that we're in your inbox, And even now,
the ones that reach out to you, how many of
those are seeking connection with a loved one versus someone
who just wants some guidance in life.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So very early on Kaylor, there were a lot of
people who did want to make a connect with someone
who passed away, and I don't actually do a lot
of that work anymore. I will sometimes and look, if
someone came more for guidance and someone turns up, then
of course I'll pass that on. In the beginning, there
were a lot of people on that medium side of things.
(07:22):
Nowadays it's a lot more. Yeah, sort of the guidance,
that sort of energy forecasting that we were talking about
before at a personal level.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So you basically had this lemon thrown at you and
you had to navigate them. It's almost as if the
lemon was also providing solution right and guiding you through right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But I didn't know that at the time. And so
what my work, you've articulated it so beautifully, what my
work has become is actually helping people recognize that sometimes
it may not feel like it in the moment, but
the worst thing, the most terrifying thing that could happen
to you, might be the most remarkable. And it's not
(08:04):
just for you, it's for every other person that you
come in contact with. If you choose, it could be
that you start a podcast, it could be that you
go and write a couple of books about it, or
it could be that you just help your kids or
your neighbor. But those lemons, from my perspective, now one
of the most powerful and potentially beautiful things will ever experience.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm getting emotional too, because as you're saying that, I
know Kayla and I have obviously experienced unimaginable lemons and
like you, not just one, multiple and it feels, you know,
I feel bruised and battered from it, really and yet
we're here and we've made this choice to create this
podcast and say, yeah, we've had these lemons, and even
(08:49):
just in life obviously, you know, doing a podcast is
quite a big deal in itself, but in our life
we don't want it to define us and to sort
of rise above that. And it's hard to almost see
that pain brings joy or pain brings beauty. But Kayla
and I are also trying to create that as well
and not let that weigh us down. So that's why
I get emotional as well. And it's really hard to
think that how can possibly something so painful be positive
(09:11):
like that is a really hard thing in our logical
brain to say, oh, well, something bad had to happen
for something to be good, And that's I think can
be tricky.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think it's really important to understand time, because you know,
even a few years on from your own experiences, I'm
twenty years on and it's a heck of a lot
easier now to talk about that moment. So that moment
to leaving PR was still maybe eight years so time.
(09:44):
I know it's cliched, but it does play a role.
You can also choose. That was the other word that
stuck out and what you said, you don't have to
make something from it. It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So I'm really keen to chat a little bit more about,
you know, the psychic element, but also the medium. And
I've done a fair amount of work with you over
the years. So you may or may not remember, but
we actually back in two thousand and nine, I came
to you. I came to your house and I was
hoping to connect with my grandparents and uncle. And I
actually remember I wore all black, I took all my
jewelry off, and I was rather skeptical. You know, it
(10:16):
was new, but I was actually quite scared. I didn't
know what you were going to tell me. And I
do remember actually the first thing you said to me was,
you know, do you want a psychic reading or a medium,
and I said, I don't want the psychic. I didn't
want to know the future. I was really paranoid about
what you were going to say to me. But you know,
the medium was really powerful. And of course I've continued
to follow your work since, and I know that Kayla
(10:37):
has seen a medium as well, so we have spoken
about this ourselves, but we know that seeing a medium,
particularly for that connection, I mean, psychic is sort of
difference in your personal future, but seeing a medium and
connecting with a loved one is quite a personal experience.
Would you say that it's for everyone?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
New So I'm glad you reminded me of the intrigue.
If you can indulge me, I just want to come
back one second, because on their intrigue side, not so
often have I found that people who are looking for
a medium connection are intrigued. I did have this one gentleman.
He was a very successful businessman, and some of his
friends had come and he literally walked in and said, well,
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what can you tell me? And so I was okay
and started and this man actually pulled out his wallet
and threw it on the table and went, tell me
whatever you've got and I actually said, I thank you.
See later. That's not what I'm about. In the beginning.
The intrigue was more curiosity like can we catch her
out dance monkey dance. I can also suppot them, and
(11:45):
I have no interest in working with that. In terms
of the medium side of things, look, I think there
are people who may still want to test can this
person really connect? That's very important to know. Are they
really connecting with someone I'm hoping to hear from The
reason I say no, it's not for everyone is it's
(12:09):
not a game. I think the idea of time is
also important because there are definitely people that I've worked
with where their grief is very helpable and that kind
of connection or the answers that they're seeking is for
something I believe is not for a medium. That is,
(12:32):
work through your grief process. What you need, then come
and see me or whoever else you're going to go to.
There are also people, I think, who are so desperate
to hear the magic word, the magic code. I could
say to you ten things about your loved one, but
if I don't say the magic word, it can be
(12:56):
both difficult for the medium but also for the person
who's receiving the reading. So I think you do need
to know who you are as a person, what you're
looking for. I would also recommend what I've learned over
time is don't go to a back ali psychic hoping.
Why are you looking at me hoping for the deep stuff.
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That's not to say that they're not good, but if
you are deep in grief, you want to be held
and seen and understood.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So not just the message, but also the support.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I think you have to know yourself and what you're
going to need. And if it's not the medium, then
please have a whole team on standby when you walk
out if you need to.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's a lot. I know I've done a few readings
with you, and in the moment it's a lot, and
then afterwards the processing that happens and the yeah, what
comes out of it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Absolutely I did see a medium too, and it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm not going to use the word back alley, but
well I did it. I walked in, I sat there
and I remember you said you were nervous and really skeptical.
I walk in, I wasn't even inside a building and
I sat there and I'm looking a person. I won't
say who it was. The person goes, I'm not going
to look at you. I'm going to look past you.
And I was like okay, and he goes, Taylor, do
(14:14):
you want a reading? And I'm like yeah, he goes,
can you breathe please? I was sitting there so tense
and not breathing and not moving and just staring. I
can't connect with anybody if you're going to sit there
like that. I was like, okay, Okay. It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I think for me it was the skepticism came from
the fact that it was really new. I'd never done
anything like this before. I didn't know anyone who had,
so it was a brand new experience and there was
definitely part of me that I really wanted to believe it.
But I almost like I didn't want to give you
any clues basically, which is great.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I don't think you should. I think in any industry
there are some interesting characters that are not above board,
and then there are like some really whisbang in it right.
So the medium or the slide kick shouldn't have to
ask a lot of questions. But I think to maybe
also be on the other side and defend it's an
(15:08):
incredibly difficult thing to do, and to expect a psychic
I think to have one hundred percent accuracy is udicrous.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's quite unfair, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
And so if you do have a healthy skepticism, awesome,
But like, would you turn up it, I don't know,
some other profession your accountant or your doctor or I mean,
I get it, it's a completely different field. You want
to trust the person, but you're not baiting them the
entire time.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And something I do want to share as well, though,
is in the moment you told me a lot and
that first reading about my grandparents and my uncle, which
no one could have known, there were also elements that
I didn't understand. And I remember coming home to my
parents and sharing stories with them, and they got it
straight away. They knew exactly what it meant. And so
even though the message was being you know, via yourself
(16:01):
through to me, I still didn't know. So I found
that really interesting and that's when I I went, gee,
that's a lot you're also in that first reading, you
had already prepared some notes from that psychic perspective, which
I took home and I actually found that piece of paper.
I've still got it, and I found it, and it
wasn't until I reread it that it made sense. At
the time, I remember reading going, oh, yeah, that means nothing.
(16:23):
It didn't really connect. So, you know, back to your
point around time, and I guess the healing journey that
we're on or whatever that journey is, even that in itself,
those messages that you had for me didn't resonate until later,
like many years later.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, I'm actually really pleased that you mentioned that, because
most other professionals or people services that you have provided,
or for that moment, if we're talking about looking backwards
perhaps to someone who's passed in their relaying stories. In
my mind, that's the best proof not only have I
(16:58):
hopefully given you something, but you're going to mull on
that for years to come.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I know that for some people, like psychic medium, world's
pretty woo woo and they're not about it. And I've
shared this story and people go WHOA, Like, no one
could know that. So one of the things that you
said to me was, oh, in your home, there's a
mantle piece. On the mantlepiece is a table runner and
two photo frames. And I remember saying to you, no,
(17:25):
I don't know what you're talking about and I was
really trying to just I.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guess you know I was.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I was trying to debait you and make you work
for it because I didn't want to just give you
the answers. But internally I was freaking out because I
was like, far out, how did she know what's in
our home? And that's when I was living with my
parents and you were describing our family home, so that
was kind of scary, to be honest. But you said
that there's two photo frames. There's a portrait and a landscape.
And you said with the landscape photo and you started laughing, no,
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in a good way, like a joyful laugh, and I'm like, yep,
I know the photo. And this is when we were
discussing my uncle. So he had passed many years before
I was born, so I never knew him, but I've
always felt so much connection with him. You described this
photograph and you said, ah, it's the four of you,
and you didn't know that I had a family of four.
And he said, it's the four of you and it's
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a silly photo and it's taken far away, and I'm
just nodding and increasingly thinking, oh my god, you're spot on,
and you said, Oh, it's really interesting. There's a gap
in the photo. The gap is where your uncle is standing.
And I raced home and I went straight to that
mantelpiece with the table runner and the two photos, and
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I picked up that photo and it was a photo
of our family in Canada, and we were literally just
going for a little family walk and we saw this
cute little barn house and we jumped up on the
fence and got this little random photo. And there's a
gap beside my dad, and now I see it so clearly.
None of my family had ever noticed that gap in
the photo, and so we know now the dad's brother
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is standing right with him and with us. And for me,
that was when I was like, I believe this lady.
She knows her stuff. Like that was such compation and
such a beautiful gift to me and my family to
know that despite missing, you know, my uncle and dad's brother,
he's actually with us even when we don't see it
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or feel it, and we talk about him a lot,
he's very present in our life. But that was a
moment for me. And that's a story that I have
shared with people, particularly those who might feel a bit
skeptical and like, you know, this world isn't for everyone,
and that's okay, absolutely, but that, like I said, how
can you explain something like that? I just can't get
my head around that still to this day, like how
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do you describe something in our home? To that level
of detail was truly amazing and has continues to be
quite special. So thank you. Have you had a similar experience, Kaylor.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I did when I saw the medium I went to.
I got some interesting information, some of which I think
at the time you're like, okay, yeah, cool, like make sense.
One of them was you've got your red joke in
your emails. You need to pay And I was like, yeah,
I got it yesterday. Crazy. I was like, okay, give
me some more and for me again, I was very
skeptical when we knew Sean was sick. I wanted guidance
(20:10):
from him. You know you see in the movies. I
want a letter. You write me a letter. And I
said to him at one point, and this was the
only ever conversation we had about him passing away is
I said, what do I do if you can't beat this?
And what happens if you pass away? And Sean was
a strong guy, but he just could not answer that question.
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And all he said to me was You'll be okay.
And I'm like, can I have something else? And can
you write me a letter? Can you expand on that?
Like what am I supposed to do with Max in this?
And travel in the house? And You'll be okay, Kayla?
And that was it. And for me, I went to
go and see the psychic medium looking for maybe some
more guidance, like am I doing things right? Am I
(20:54):
on the right path? Should I be doing something differently?
So I probably went for that purpose. I wanted to
try and connect with Sean for him to maybe give
me some more information please, And I did, and I
went and I asked him the question. I said, am
I doing things the way Sean wants me to be
doing them? Is he happy with the choices that I'm making?
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And all he replied was You'll be okay, Kayla. And
I was like, thanks, So the medium told you the
exactly said told me nothing else, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
He gave you the exact words.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was pretty much word for word, and he just
shut it down. And I was like okay, And I asked,
I said, is Sean okay? Because I wanted to know,
like wherever he is, is he okay? And he replied
and he said yes and no, And I was like, okay, great,
I don't want to hear that he's not okay. But
his explanation was, yes, he's okay, but he's not there
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with you and Max, and he wanted to beat this
and that's why he's not okay. And I'm just like,
it's just typical Sean response. You know, he was going
to beat cancer, he was going to overcome it. So
the fact that his life was cut short and he
didn't get to finish his life with his new son
and me again, like that answer was just spot on
and how he told me. And then the other thing
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that was just insane to me that I don't know
how he knew this was Sean passed away at home.
He had palliatiff care at our house, and I made
the call to our friends and families that you need
to come and say you're goodbyes. And there was an
afternoon where I went up to the room and gave
him a hug and gave him a kiss on the cheek,
and I blent over him and I whispered into his ear.
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I said, it's okay, you can go now, We'll be okay,
because I could see he was just suffering. He was
in agonizing pain. He was on crazy pain medication. And
I said, it's okay, like you can go. That was
my goodbye to him, and then I left the room
and his friends came in, and it was maybe only
twenty minutes later. One of his friends came downstairs and said, Kayla,
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and he just looked to me, and I just knew
that it had happened. And the psychic medium said to me,
he goes, you weren't there when Sean died, and you know,
part of me felt really bad that i'd left the room.
You know, I should have just sat there with him.
I should have stayed. And he said to me, Kayla,
you left the room when Sean passed away, and I
said I did, and he goes, he wanted it that way.
He didn't want you to be there. He was with
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his friends and he was okay. He told me, he's
like you whispered your goodbye and his left ear. You
blent over him, and he heard you. He heard everything
you said.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I was just like, wow, it's beautiful and heartbreaking
to hear.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That, but it just it gave me this again. Thank Sean,
you gave me no more information. I'm still waiting for
my letter, but just to know that, you know, maybe
there was that slight bit of connection with him that
he could give me that information. He told me that
he heard me say goodbye to him and I whispered
in his left ear and he knew that. So there
was that glimmer of connection. And I think I went
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in wanting one thing and I came out with something
slightly different, and that was okay. So I think going
into that reading kind of wanting something, but my expectation
was I'm not really sure what I'm going to get
in return. I think that was the best thing to do.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
May I also just add because I wanted some space
to let you say what you needed to. But there
is something I'd like to add, not a message, but
to add a different perspective into what you've also shared
about the medium. And then yeah, you know, we can
take it elsewhere. We're here, and so we have this
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logical mind that can only put context in a very
human logical way. For Sean to be physically present in
the room, or for any of loved ones to be
in the room with a medium yourself, and you would
expect the conversation to go a particular way. You can't
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necessarily underestimate what it's like for the spirit without a
physical body, without a means to communicate, to get a
message across incredibly difficult. What I've also seen over the years,
and I've learned not to take it personally. They may
not be leave either. They don't want to talk to
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you through a medium. They're like, what the hell is
going on? Why are you in this room with this psychic?
Why are you doing this? Why would you want me
to come through in this environment? And so sometimes even
as the medium, I've had to say, look, they don't
want to talk to me, and that's fine. So there
are three people in that conversation, and I think, of
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course the medium or the psychic is talking on their behalf,
But it doesn't mean that that third person's spirit entity
is a willing participant.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So funny that you say that, because I'm like, I'm
just visualizing sure being that person being like, Kayla, you're
ridiculous home.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, you help me on a few occasions with people
are connected with and you're like, oh, look they're happy
to chat, but they don't want me.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And also on the other side there is another perspective
and that can take time. But just because we want
the answers doesn't mean that we get them. And I
know that you know that the biggest scheme of things.
You know we were talking before about when we're hit
with the lemon and if you choose to turn it
into something else later and you could attest to this ash.
(26:19):
Just because I tell you that or your loved one
has come through with that doesn't mean that you're either
ready to hear it, you want to hear it, or
going to believe it anyway. And so you would know
your own loved one enough and they also know you
to go will there's no point telling her that today
she's not going to hear it anyway. So there is
three people in that conversation. I think the challenge is,
you know what, I try and make this distinction between
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the human self and the soul self, and they are
often at opposing ends in the work that I do
as the messenger or the translator of when someone passes
and the perspective that they then have. And you know,
it's not how we feel about it as humans. It's
not how we feel about it in our grief or
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it's also you know, someone might come in and just
am I going to get that job? And I'm like,
God not.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You tell me this all the time because naturally I
do like to apply a lot of logic structure, so
do why but you look at me all the time
and you just shake your head and your ash No,
it doesn't work like that. And I'm always trying to
push it into logic, and we have this conversation every time.
You're like, hmm, it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It doesn't Or like bargaining, and I say, this is
someone who does this for a living. I'm forever bargaining
with what I would call my spirit guy. It's like
I will do this great thing, but what you've got
to do is help orchestrate this because this is the
thing that I want. You know, I get angry at them.
I am tearing my hair out going You've changed my
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entire life, but you won't give me the leg up,
and you won't. You know, we're human for a reason,
and so to that point about the soul, like we're
meant to have a human experience and we don't understand
it yet. When our time comes and you know it
will come. We will get to be on the other side, definitely,
I believe, reunited with those that have already left, and
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then it might start to make sense. But what I
can also tell you is when you get over that,
you're not worried about the job, and you're not worried
about the logic, and you're not worried about why did
this thing happen or not happen? In my life? The
only thing they care about is love.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I want to talk about signs. You know, many people
talk about the universe sending me sign or some people
having a religious beliefs or however that comes into their world.
But can you explain a bit about what that means
from your perspective and also how or when these signs
might be present. But we know, like if you know,
we've get thrown a lemon and we sort of whether
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it's you know, a job or anything, how do we
know that it's a lemon or that it's being thrown
our way.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
We've been talking a lot about people who've passed away,
so it's not uncommon for our loved ones to send
us a sign. You know, I've shared with before my
grandmother in particular. You know, we'll send me kooka bars.
She sent me one this morning, and so sometimes I
loved ones will send us. You know, a lot of
people will say it's butterflies, or maybe there's an in joke.
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You know, they can just be confirmation. You'll know it
by the way it makes you feel. But I think
that that can be different from a more what I
would say is more psychic, like a positive sign you're
on the right track or moving in the right direction.
A lot of people will talk angel numbers. You know,
you might see a series of one, one, one or
two to two Google a check Instagram, everywhere eleven every day.
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So that's a really positive number, and it's literally a
gateway for manifestation and good things. So that's a nice
number to have, And so you know that there are
often things like that that might pop up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Are there typical ways in which you see those messages
come through? For example, number plates or numbers or could
it be anything?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, look for me, often it is license plates and
number plates. But I think that the world has also
changed in you know, the last let's say, even just
ten fifteen years. If you're googling something and then you
start getting ads for it. That is not a sign.
That is yes. And so you know, so often people
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will say, well, I'm definitely signing up to that course
or I'm definitely going to that event, and it's like,
that's cool. If it's given you confirmation, no harm done.
But it's not really sign. It's really clever marketing. So yeah,
music numbers, It could be animals. We mentioned kooka bars.
It can also be, particularly for people who've passed away,
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something incredibly personal that no one else would know. If
it makes you sit up and pay attention, like the
car pulls up beside you with the license plate, if
it hits you in the chest, that's the sign. Could
be anything.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Can a sign be a person delivering a message?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Oh there are special kind of sign Yeah, there's messengers.
Not long after my aunt had finished, I was still studying,
but I wasn't ready to do this professionally. And my
younger sister was trying to find me a Christmas gift.
She's not a reader. We are chalk and cheese. But
she was in a bookshop, remember those when they were
still around. She was in a bookshop and she was
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just looking at the self help you age section so
out of her depth. There was no one else in
the aisle. She did not say this out loud, and
a man walked around, came and stood beside her, and
he picked the book off the shelf and gave it
to her and said, have you seen this one? The
title of the book was La Psychic. So she wrapped
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it up and I still got it at home. So
look a whole other conversation. I believe when we follow
our intuition, we are probably messengers for people all the time,
standing in line or just offering a smile. You don't
know what's prompted you to to say something, do something,
be somewhere.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So a messenger could then also be like in that format,
could also be someone that you don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Absolutely interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I had never thought about it like that. I just
thought that it would be within your remit and your circle,
but not necessarily still too.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Op for yes, And so the skeptical wants to have
the intrigue.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Of how did they know?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
There's so much more going on that we can't see.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I actually felt like I had a messenger. It was
probably only two months ago. Maxwell and I were down
at the beach and it was still winter. It was cold.
It would be there all day sitting on the beach,
playing on the beach, and it was probably about four
o'clock and the beach was relatively quiet. I just had
a tough week. I just felt like everything was defeating me.
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I was being a bad parent, you name it, you know,
it just hits you sometimes like a ton of bricks.
And I just needed some reassurance. And someone walked up
to me on the beach. He's like, I need to
tell you something. And I was like, oh, here we go,
like creep on the beach. What do you want I know?
And he goes, I just need to tell you that
I saw you playing with your son on the beach
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before and I'm not sure if you need to hear it,
but you're doing a really great job. He's like, I
can tell you a really good mum, and your little
boy is so lucky to have you. And then he
walked away and that was it. And I looked up
and there was this big full moon right above me
and Maxwell and I say that Daddy's on the moon
and that's our special symbol to know that Sean's around.
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And the moon was huge, shining right above me, and
I was just that was Sean. I just knew that
was Sean. And you know, you tell some people that
story and they're like, Kaylo, think you're crazy, And I
was like, but it was. You know, why did that
happen exactly when I needed it to happen And.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You felt it? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I felt it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And that could be different from someone just if you
were having a conversation with them and offered it, but
you felt it.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's completely random.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I want to ask the reverse. These messengers that we've
been talking to are like positive and reassuring. Are the
messages that are warnings?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah? I think more like the Omen. In storytelling and mythology,
we kind of have that sort of symbolism. But again,
I want to draw a really like fine line between
your mind running away with itself and anticipating something negative.
This potentially takes us out someplace that we don't need
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to get into. But the mind by itself can latch
onto something and that idea of the self fulfilling prophecy. Right,
if you've seen the Omen and oh my god, the
world is doomed, that is your lens through which you
see the entire world. So yes, you can. But just
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like I said, you can't go looking for everything's going
to be okay. Please don't go looking for the negative.
And so to that point, there was something you asked
me before about should everyone come and see a medium.
I think there's a really hefty dose of self awareness.
The irony of doing the work that I do is
that I actually don't want anyone to outsource to me.
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I'll happily do it, but I want people to be
able to trust themselves, their own judgment, their own intuition,
to not blindly follow a what a psychic has told
you be what an omen or even a positive sign
has told you.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think it's so true, and I've definitely learned that
over the years that coming to see psychic medium like,
whatever the intention is of that session, it's not the
silver bullet, it's not the solution. Like I don't come
to you expecting you to solve my problems and set
me up for the future. You are just one person
within my support network or the healing that I need
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to do. And I love that you actually talk about
self awareness, because I don't think we actually spend a
lot or enough time doing that. But I think you're
so right. Rather than coming to you and expecting one
hundred percent accuracy and the solution like, that's not fair
on you. I don't think nor is it fair on us,
because there's work that we need to do, and even
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in a one hour reading, you're not going to be
able to solve a lifetime of events, both positive and negative.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Helen, how much information do you ask from somebody before
they come and do a reading with you?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
These days, I do ask for information. If someone doesn't
want to give it to me, they don't have to.
So different mediums or psychics will work in really different ways,
which is also a challenge. I don't need someone in
the room. If I have their first name, I can
do the reading. But if you give a false name,
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which has happened, you won't get a good reading. You've
already entered with a sense of mistrust. But for me, anyway,
first name is fine. That's all I need.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I'm really keen to understand how we actually go away
from this. Obviously such an insightful conversation and we've covered
a lot, but how do we actually work on that intuition?
Are there any tools or resources that you suggest?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So one of the things is definitely self awareness, which
often is through meditation and mindfulness, could be going to yogurt.
It has nothing to do with seeing a psychic at all,
and it's just knowing yourself and that will be life changing.
But if you want to start noticing the signs or
the symbols, journaling oracle cards for me is a big thing.
(37:22):
There's certainly different tools, but you've actually got to ask
what is the guidance that you want? I actually say
there are four steps nice sneat acronym aria. You ask,
you'll receive the guidance. Your job there is to actually
notice it. Notice the sign. Then you've got to interpret
it so that I if you're going to fall down anywhere,
(37:43):
it's probably there because our mind wants it to mean something.
In particular, a is action. If you get a sign
and you've interpreted it and it's like, oh, okay, I'm
going to have to do this thing. You don't have
to do it today and you don't have to do
it tomorrow. But if you get a sign and you
don't act on it, what's the point. So ask this, interpret,
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please act Helen.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
How can people get in contact with you after listening
to today's episode, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
The best way is probably my website which is Helenjacobs
dot co, and I'm usually on Instagram, which is also
at Helen Jacobs dot co. Can I please very kindly
remind people I'm not doing medium readings.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Because you've allowed so much more time and space to
do so much other great work.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I found other ways to help a lot of people
at once rather than the medium work.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I've been following you for a long time and
at the very least your Instagram page is great, as
is your podcast, and for those readers out there, they
might want to jump on and take a look at
your books as well. So I just really want to
say thank you for such a great conversation and for
sharing an insight into your world.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Thank you so much for having me and for doing
what you're doing, because your lemon is going to help
so many.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Ash and I'm Kayla.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This podcast is all about embracing life's lemons and making
them into something beautiful. We've had a fair few lemons
thrown it away, but we're not letting that stop us.
I'm so excited for today's episode. Today we are joined
by Helen Jacobs. Helen is an author, podcaster, mentor, and
energy forecaster and I have had the pleasure of knowing
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Helen for many years. Helen is the first person that
I told when Kayla and I started talking about this podcast,
so I didn't even tell my family or friends. I
actually arranged a call with Helen and asked her advice first.
And I actually remember the conversation. I barely even finished
explaining it, and you almost interrupted me to say yes.
And then I said, oh, well, can I tell you more?
(01:08):
And then he said yeah, but the answer is yes,
do it? So I guess we have Helen to thank
for being here, but really excited to have you here today, Helen,
and I really want to start by asking you to
share a little bit about you and what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Look, my background, like no one grows up wanting to
be a psychic or a medium, and if anything, I
would have really avoided it. But life gave me a lemon,
and so you know, the long run was I've turned
it into something that hopefully helps other people but has
created a really beautiful life for me as well. And
I get to peer into the future or peer into
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people's lives or connect them with people or events, whether
that's past, present, future. And it's pretty incredible to say
that's my job.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, but it's not just your job. There's a lot
to it. Like I said, author, podcaster, mentor, and energy forecaster.
So energy forecaster is probably the one that we don't
hear a lot of. Explain a little bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, Look, I think a lot of people are probably
more familiar to say with astrology, which you know, uses
planets and placements, and based on that we could say
this thing's going to happen. I am not an astrologer,
but I have what I call a spiritual support team.
(02:26):
It's essentially like a team that is in some other
dimension somewhere who are feeding to me the information. So
I will have an inside of maybe not the specifics
of every event collectively, but I had a good sense
of COVID when it came the Australian bushfires. You know,
there are things collectively that I'll see ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And you talk as well. I know in our conversations
you talk about both collective energy and individual and that
can be different. So you are talking both the individual
observations or experiences, but also what happens on even a
global scale at times.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So if we were to say think about at an
individual level, my belief is we're all here for a reason.
We're all learning particular lessons, we're experiencing particular things, and
so the idea of a soul blueprint that may be
assigned to one person and what they're here to learn,
but as a whole, you know, and it doesn't take
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a sidekick to know this. We can see that there
is this massive change that is happening collectively, and my
belief is that it is actually all perfect, and it's
all moving us in a particular direction. It's just not
so fun in the middle of it, And so each
of us has a role to play in that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
What was that pivotal moment that you realize this was
your path that you were supposed to take.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
The main event was when I was nineteen, I was
studying journalism. My aunt had passed away, and so she
was really the first person close to me who'd passed away.
Three weeks after her passing, I woke up one morning
and I'd had a dream about her where I saw
lots of different things in her life that there was
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no way, as her nineteen year old niece, I knew
any of this. So when my mum woke up, I
spoke to her and then look, the best way that
I can describe it is for the next four hours,
she inhabited my body and spoke to my mum and
passed on messages for her kids. So that was the
big moment, which I then was terrified about. I found
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it incredibly like, could you even imagine at nineteen, well,
at any age, having that happened to you, but particularly
at nineteen. I went on and worked in pr and
it was happy enough. It was like, I probably need
to find out what that thing was so that was
the other pivotal moment where I was like, I don't
feel like I'm on the right path. There's something more
(04:53):
for me. So actually, at that moment, it was my
intuition which sort of led me through letting go of
a whole heap of things. But then the voices started
and I was like, oh, okay, I did know that
this was going to happen. So then I had to
figure out who or what is talking to me, and
what do I do with this, and what do I
even want to make of this?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right, So, at that point, you'd made the choice to
step away from the corporate world and the PR space
and focus on this as a new career.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Look, I hatched my bed.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I was willing to walk. So I was in an agency.
I was willing to leave the agency to just see
what happened. Was offered another PR job, which incidentally, I
knew I was going to meet someone there and I
did and we're now married, and so I only had
to stay there six months for that time. You know start, well, yes,
my boss knows that now she was at the wedding,
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but life intervened. So one of the things of being
in PR is that you have a lot of other
friends in PR and media, and so when they got
a taste of what I was doing of an evening,
so I was pr by day and psychic by night.
A friend of mine called wind of what I was
doing and she said, look, can I interview? I think
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this would be a really interesting piece. And I thought
it was going to be like a local piece, but
it got picked up and syndicated. It was one of
the top lifestyle pieces across nationally in multiple publications. And
so when that ran, somehow people found me and I
woke up the next day to an inbox full of people,
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and so I very quickly had to figure out what
am I going to do? Now? How do I do
this for people all over the country? And so, you know,
you just kind of wing it on the flight. But
it's not the worst problem. It's not a bad lemon
a ta thrown out of.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
These people that we're in your inbox, And even now,
the ones that reach out to you, how many of
those are seeking connection with a loved one versus someone
who just wants some guidance in life.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So very early on Kaylor, there were a lot of
people who did want to make a connect with someone
who passed away, and I don't actually do a lot
of that work anymore. I will sometimes and look, if
someone came more for guidance and someone turns up, then
of course I'll pass that on. In the beginning, there
were a lot of people on that medium side of things.
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Nowadays it's a lot more. Yeah, sort of the guidance,
that sort of energy forecasting that we were talking about
before at a personal level.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So you basically had this lemon thrown at you and
you had to navigate them. It's almost as if the
lemon was also providing solution right and guiding you through right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But I didn't know that at the time. And so
what my work, you've articulated it so beautifully, what my
work has become is actually helping people recognize that sometimes
it may not feel like it in the moment, but
the worst thing, the most terrifying thing that could happen
to you, might be the most remarkable. And it's not
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just for you, it's for every other person that you
come in contact with. If you choose, it could be
that you start a podcast, it could be that you
go and write a couple of books about it, or
it could be that you just help your kids or
your neighbor. But those lemons, from my perspective, now one
of the most powerful and potentially beautiful things will ever experience.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm getting emotional too, because as you're saying that, I
know Kayla and I have obviously experienced unimaginable lemons and
like you, not just one, multiple and it feels, you know,
I feel bruised and battered from it, really and yet
we're here and we've made this choice to create this
podcast and say, yeah, we've had these lemons, and even
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just in life obviously, you know, doing a podcast is
quite a big deal in itself, but in our life
we don't want it to define us and to sort
of rise above that. And it's hard to almost see
that pain brings joy or pain brings beauty. But Kayla
and I are also trying to create that as well
and not let that weigh us down. So that's why
I get emotional as well. And it's really hard to
think that how can possibly something so painful be positive
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like that is a really hard thing in our logical
brain to say, oh, well, something bad had to happen
for something to be good, And that's I think can
be tricky.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think it's really important to understand time, because you know,
even a few years on from your own experiences, I'm
twenty years on and it's a heck of a lot
easier now to talk about that moment. So that moment
to leaving PR was still maybe eight years so time.
(09:44):
I know it's cliched, but it does play a role.
You can also choose. That was the other word that
stuck out and what you said, you don't have to
make something from it. It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So I'm really keen to chat a little bit more about,
you know, the psychic element, but also the medium. And
I've done a fair amount of work with you over
the years. So you may or may not remember, but
we actually back in two thousand and nine, I came
to you. I came to your house and I was
hoping to connect with my grandparents and uncle. And I
actually remember I wore all black, I took all my
jewelry off, and I was rather skeptical. You know, it
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was new, but I was actually quite scared. I didn't
know what you were going to tell me. And I
do remember actually the first thing you said to me was,
you know, do you want a psychic reading or a medium,
and I said, I don't want the psychic. I didn't
want to know the future. I was really paranoid about
what you were going to say to me. But you know,
the medium was really powerful. And of course I've continued
to follow your work since, and I know that Kayla
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has seen a medium as well, so we have spoken
about this ourselves, but we know that seeing a medium,
particularly for that connection, I mean, psychic is sort of
difference in your personal future, but seeing a medium and
connecting with a loved one is quite a personal experience.
Would you say that it's for everyone?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
New So I'm glad you reminded me of the intrigue.
If you can indulge me, I just want to come
back one second, because on their intrigue side, not so
often have I found that people who are looking for
a medium connection are intrigued. I did have this one gentleman.
He was a very successful businessman, and some of his
friends had come and he literally walked in and said, well,
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what can you tell me? And so I was okay
and started and this man actually pulled out his wallet
and threw it on the table and went, tell me
whatever you've got and I actually said, I thank you.
See later. That's not what I'm about. In the beginning.
The intrigue was more curiosity like can we catch her
out dance monkey dance. I can also suppot them, and
(11:45):
I have no interest in working with that. In terms
of the medium side of things, look, I think there
are people who may still want to test can this
person really connect? That's very important to know. Are they
really connecting with someone I'm hoping to hear from The
reason I say no, it's not for everyone is it's
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not a game. I think the idea of time is
also important because there are definitely people that I've worked
with where their grief is very helpable and that kind
of connection or the answers that they're seeking is for
something I believe is not for a medium. That is,
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work through your grief process. What you need, then come
and see me or whoever else you're going to go to.
There are also people, I think, who are so desperate
to hear the magic word, the magic code. I could
say to you ten things about your loved one, but
if I don't say the magic word, it can be
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both difficult for the medium but also for the person
who's receiving the reading. So I think you do need
to know who you are as a person, what you're
looking for. I would also recommend what I've learned over
time is don't go to a back ali psychic hoping.
Why are you looking at me hoping for the deep stuff.
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That's not to say that they're not good, but if
you are deep in grief, you want to be held
and seen and understood.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So not just the message, but also the support.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I think you have to know yourself and what you're
going to need. And if it's not the medium, then
please have a whole team on standby when you walk
out if you need to.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's a lot. I know I've done a few readings
with you, and in the moment it's a lot, and
then afterwards the processing that happens and the yeah, what
comes out of it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Absolutely I did see a medium too, and it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm not going to use the word back alley, but
well I did it. I walked in, I sat there
and I remember you said you were nervous and really skeptical.
I walk in, I wasn't even inside a building and
I sat there and I'm looking a person. I won't
say who it was. The person goes, I'm not going
to look at you. I'm going to look past you.
And I was like okay, and he goes, Taylor, do
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you want a reading? And I'm like yeah, he goes,
can you breathe please? I was sitting there so tense
and not breathing and not moving and just staring. I
can't connect with anybody if you're going to sit there
like that. I was like, okay, Okay. It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I think for me it was the skepticism came from
the fact that it was really new. I'd never done
anything like this before. I didn't know anyone who had,
so it was a brand new experience and there was
definitely part of me that I really wanted to believe it.
But I almost like I didn't want to give you
any clues basically, which is great.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I don't think you should. I think in any industry
there are some interesting characters that are not above board,
and then there are like some really whisbang in it right.
So the medium or the slide kick shouldn't have to
ask a lot of questions. But I think to maybe
also be on the other side and defend it's an
(15:08):
incredibly difficult thing to do, and to expect a psychic
I think to have one hundred percent accuracy is udicrous.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's quite unfair, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
And so if you do have a healthy skepticism, awesome,
But like, would you turn up it, I don't know,
some other profession your accountant or your doctor or I mean,
I get it, it's a completely different field. You want
to trust the person, but you're not baiting them the
entire time.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And something I do want to share as well, though,
is in the moment you told me a lot and
that first reading about my grandparents and my uncle, which
no one could have known, there were also elements that
I didn't understand. And I remember coming home to my
parents and sharing stories with them, and they got it
straight away. They knew exactly what it meant. And so
even though the message was being you know, via yourself
(16:01):
through to me, I still didn't know. So I found
that really interesting and that's when I I went, gee,
that's a lot you're also in that first reading, you
had already prepared some notes from that psychic perspective, which
I took home and I actually found that piece of paper.
I've still got it, and I found it, and it
wasn't until I reread it that it made sense. At
the time, I remember reading going, oh, yeah, that means nothing.
(16:23):
It didn't really connect. So, you know, back to your
point around time, and I guess the healing journey that
we're on or whatever that journey is, even that in itself,
those messages that you had for me didn't resonate until later,
like many years later.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, I'm actually really pleased that you mentioned that, because
most other professionals or people services that you have provided,
or for that moment, if we're talking about looking backwards
perhaps to someone who's passed in their relaying stories. In
my mind, that's the best proof not only have I
(16:58):
hopefully given you something, but you're going to mull on
that for years to come.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I know that for some people, like psychic medium, world's
pretty woo woo and they're not about it. And I've
shared this story and people go WHOA, Like, no one
could know that. So one of the things that you
said to me was, oh, in your home, there's a
mantle piece. On the mantlepiece is a table runner and
two photo frames. And I remember saying to you, no,
(17:25):
I don't know what you're talking about and I was
really trying to just I.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guess you know I was.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I was trying to debait you and make you work
for it because I didn't want to just give you
the answers. But internally I was freaking out because I
was like, far out, how did she know what's in
our home? And that's when I was living with my
parents and you were describing our family home, so that
was kind of scary, to be honest. But you said
that there's two photo frames. There's a portrait and a landscape.
And you said with the landscape photo and you started laughing, no,
(17:52):
in a good way, like a joyful laugh, and I'm like, yep,
I know the photo. And this is when we were
discussing my uncle. So he had passed many years before
I was born, so I never knew him, but I've
always felt so much connection with him. You described this
photograph and you said, ah, it's the four of you,
and you didn't know that I had a family of four.
And he said, it's the four of you and it's
(18:13):
a silly photo and it's taken far away, and I'm
just nodding and increasingly thinking, oh my god, you're spot on,
and you said, Oh, it's really interesting. There's a gap
in the photo. The gap is where your uncle is standing.
And I raced home and I went straight to that
mantelpiece with the table runner and the two photos, and
(18:34):
I picked up that photo and it was a photo
of our family in Canada, and we were literally just
going for a little family walk and we saw this
cute little barn house and we jumped up on the
fence and got this little random photo. And there's a
gap beside my dad, and now I see it so clearly.
None of my family had ever noticed that gap in
the photo, and so we know now the dad's brother
(18:55):
is standing right with him and with us. And for me,
that was when I was like, I believe this lady.
She knows her stuff. Like that was such compation and
such a beautiful gift to me and my family to
know that despite missing, you know, my uncle and dad's brother,
he's actually with us even when we don't see it
(19:16):
or feel it, and we talk about him a lot,
he's very present in our life. But that was a
moment for me. And that's a story that I have
shared with people, particularly those who might feel a bit
skeptical and like, you know, this world isn't for everyone,
and that's okay, absolutely, but that, like I said, how
can you explain something like that? I just can't get
my head around that still to this day, like how
(19:37):
do you describe something in our home? To that level
of detail was truly amazing and has continues to be
quite special. So thank you. Have you had a similar experience, Kaylor.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I did when I saw the medium I went to.
I got some interesting information, some of which I think
at the time you're like, okay, yeah, cool, like make sense.
One of them was you've got your red joke in
your emails. You need to pay And I was like, yeah,
I got it yesterday. Crazy. I was like, okay, give
me some more and for me again, I was very
skeptical when we knew Sean was sick. I wanted guidance
(20:10):
from him. You know you see in the movies. I
want a letter. You write me a letter. And I
said to him at one point, and this was the
only ever conversation we had about him passing away is
I said, what do I do if you can't beat this?
And what happens if you pass away? And Sean was
a strong guy, but he just could not answer that question.
(20:31):
And all he said to me was You'll be okay.
And I'm like, can I have something else? And can
you write me a letter? Can you expand on that?
Like what am I supposed to do with Max in this?
And travel in the house? And You'll be okay, Kayla?
And that was it. And for me, I went to
go and see the psychic medium looking for maybe some
more guidance, like am I doing things right? Am I
(20:54):
on the right path? Should I be doing something differently?
So I probably went for that purpose. I wanted to
try and connect with Sean for him to maybe give
me some more information please, And I did, and I
went and I asked him the question. I said, am
I doing things the way Sean wants me to be
doing them? Is he happy with the choices that I'm making?
(21:15):
And all he replied was You'll be okay, Kayla. And
I was like, thanks, So the medium told you the
exactly said told me nothing else, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
He gave you the exact words.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was pretty much word for word, and he just
shut it down. And I was like okay, And I asked,
I said, is Sean okay? Because I wanted to know,
like wherever he is, is he okay? And he replied
and he said yes and no, And I was like, okay, great,
I don't want to hear that he's not okay. But
his explanation was, yes, he's okay, but he's not there
(21:48):
with you and Max, and he wanted to beat this
and that's why he's not okay. And I'm just like,
it's just typical Sean response. You know, he was going
to beat cancer, he was going to overcome it. So
the fact that his life was cut short and he
didn't get to finish his life with his new son
and me again, like that answer was just spot on
and how he told me. And then the other thing
(22:10):
that was just insane to me that I don't know
how he knew this was Sean passed away at home.
He had palliatiff care at our house, and I made
the call to our friends and families that you need
to come and say you're goodbyes. And there was an
afternoon where I went up to the room and gave
him a hug and gave him a kiss on the cheek,
and I blent over him and I whispered into his ear.
(22:32):
I said, it's okay, you can go now, We'll be okay,
because I could see he was just suffering. He was
in agonizing pain. He was on crazy pain medication. And
I said, it's okay, like you can go. That was
my goodbye to him, and then I left the room
and his friends came in, and it was maybe only
twenty minutes later. One of his friends came downstairs and said, Kayla,
(22:54):
and he just looked to me, and I just knew
that it had happened. And the psychic medium said to me,
he goes, you weren't there when Sean died, and you know,
part of me felt really bad that i'd left the room.
You know, I should have just sat there with him.
I should have stayed. And he said to me, Kayla,
you left the room when Sean passed away, and I
said I did, and he goes, he wanted it that way.
He didn't want you to be there. He was with
(23:16):
his friends and he was okay. He told me, he's
like you whispered your goodbye and his left ear. You
blent over him, and he heard you. He heard everything
you said.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I was just like, wow, it's beautiful and heartbreaking
to hear.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That, but it just it gave me this again. Thank Sean,
you gave me no more information. I'm still waiting for
my letter, but just to know that, you know, maybe
there was that slight bit of connection with him that
he could give me that information. He told me that
he heard me say goodbye to him and I whispered
in his left ear and he knew that. So there
was that glimmer of connection. And I think I went
(23:50):
in wanting one thing and I came out with something
slightly different, and that was okay. So I think going
into that reading kind of wanting something, but my expectation
was I'm not really sure what I'm going to get
in return. I think that was the best thing to do.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
May I also just add because I wanted some space
to let you say what you needed to. But there
is something I'd like to add, not a message, but
to add a different perspective into what you've also shared
about the medium. And then yeah, you know, we can
take it elsewhere. We're here, and so we have this
(24:24):
logical mind that can only put context in a very
human logical way. For Sean to be physically present in
the room, or for any of loved ones to be
in the room with a medium yourself, and you would
expect the conversation to go a particular way. You can't
(24:45):
necessarily underestimate what it's like for the spirit without a
physical body, without a means to communicate, to get a
message across incredibly difficult. What I've also seen over the years,
and I've learned not to take it personally. They may
not be leave either. They don't want to talk to
(25:07):
you through a medium. They're like, what the hell is
going on? Why are you in this room with this psychic?
Why are you doing this? Why would you want me
to come through in this environment? And so sometimes even
as the medium, I've had to say, look, they don't
want to talk to me, and that's fine. So there
are three people in that conversation, and I think, of
(25:32):
course the medium or the psychic is talking on their behalf,
But it doesn't mean that that third person's spirit entity
is a willing participant.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So funny that you say that, because I'm like, I'm
just visualizing sure being that person being like, Kayla, you're
ridiculous home.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, you help me on a few occasions with people
are connected with and you're like, oh, look they're happy
to chat, but they don't want me.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And also on the other side there is another perspective
and that can take time. But just because we want
the answers doesn't mean that we get them. And I
know that you know that the biggest scheme of things.
You know we were talking before about when we're hit
with the lemon and if you choose to turn it
into something else later and you could attest to this ash.
(26:19):
Just because I tell you that or your loved one
has come through with that doesn't mean that you're either
ready to hear it, you want to hear it, or
going to believe it anyway. And so you would know
your own loved one enough and they also know you
to go will there's no point telling her that today
she's not going to hear it anyway. So there is
three people in that conversation. I think the challenge is,
you know what, I try and make this distinction between
(26:41):
the human self and the soul self, and they are
often at opposing ends in the work that I do
as the messenger or the translator of when someone passes
and the perspective that they then have. And you know,
it's not how we feel about it as humans. It's
not how we feel about it in our grief or
(27:05):
it's also you know, someone might come in and just
am I going to get that job? And I'm like,
God not.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You tell me this all the time because naturally I
do like to apply a lot of logic structure, so
do why but you look at me all the time
and you just shake your head and your ash No,
it doesn't work like that. And I'm always trying to
push it into logic, and we have this conversation every time.
You're like, hmm, it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It doesn't Or like bargaining, and I say, this is
someone who does this for a living. I'm forever bargaining
with what I would call my spirit guy. It's like
I will do this great thing, but what you've got
to do is help orchestrate this because this is the
thing that I want. You know, I get angry at them.
I am tearing my hair out going You've changed my
(27:53):
entire life, but you won't give me the leg up,
and you won't. You know, we're human for a reason,
and so to that point about the soul, like we're
meant to have a human experience and we don't understand
it yet. When our time comes and you know it
will come. We will get to be on the other side, definitely,
I believe, reunited with those that have already left, and
(28:15):
then it might start to make sense. But what I
can also tell you is when you get over that,
you're not worried about the job, and you're not worried
about the logic, and you're not worried about why did
this thing happen or not happen? In my life? The
only thing they care about is love.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I want to talk about signs. You know, many people
talk about the universe sending me sign or some people
having a religious beliefs or however that comes into their world.
But can you explain a bit about what that means
from your perspective and also how or when these signs
might be present. But we know, like if you know,
we've get thrown a lemon and we sort of whether
(28:51):
it's you know, a job or anything, how do we
know that it's a lemon or that it's being thrown
our way.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
We've been talking a lot about people who've passed away,
so it's not uncommon for our loved ones to send
us a sign. You know, I've shared with before my
grandmother in particular. You know, we'll send me kooka bars.
She sent me one this morning, and so sometimes I
loved ones will send us. You know, a lot of
people will say it's butterflies, or maybe there's an in joke.
(29:18):
You know, they can just be confirmation. You'll know it
by the way it makes you feel. But I think
that that can be different from a more what I
would say is more psychic, like a positive sign you're
on the right track or moving in the right direction.
A lot of people will talk angel numbers. You know,
you might see a series of one, one, one or
two to two Google a check Instagram, everywhere eleven every day.
(29:43):
So that's a really positive number, and it's literally a
gateway for manifestation and good things. So that's a nice
number to have, And so you know that there are
often things like that that might pop up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Are there typical ways in which you see those messages
come through? For example, number plates or numbers or could
it be anything?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, look for me, often it is license plates and
number plates. But I think that the world has also
changed in you know, the last let's say, even just
ten fifteen years. If you're googling something and then you
start getting ads for it. That is not a sign.
That is yes. And so you know, so often people
(30:26):
will say, well, I'm definitely signing up to that course
or I'm definitely going to that event, and it's like,
that's cool. If it's given you confirmation, no harm done.
But it's not really sign. It's really clever marketing. So yeah,
music numbers, It could be animals. We mentioned kooka bars.
It can also be, particularly for people who've passed away,
(30:48):
something incredibly personal that no one else would know. If
it makes you sit up and pay attention, like the
car pulls up beside you with the license plate, if
it hits you in the chest, that's the sign. Could
be anything.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Can a sign be a person delivering a message?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Oh there are special kind of sign Yeah, there's messengers.
Not long after my aunt had finished, I was still studying,
but I wasn't ready to do this professionally. And my
younger sister was trying to find me a Christmas gift.
She's not a reader. We are chalk and cheese. But
she was in a bookshop, remember those when they were
still around. She was in a bookshop and she was
(31:27):
just looking at the self help you age section so
out of her depth. There was no one else in
the aisle. She did not say this out loud, and
a man walked around, came and stood beside her, and
he picked the book off the shelf and gave it
to her and said, have you seen this one? The
title of the book was La Psychic. So she wrapped
(31:48):
it up and I still got it at home. So
look a whole other conversation. I believe when we follow
our intuition, we are probably messengers for people all the time,
standing in line or just offering a smile. You don't
know what's prompted you to to say something, do something,
be somewhere.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So a messenger could then also be like in that format,
could also be someone that you don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Absolutely interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I had never thought about it like that. I just
thought that it would be within your remit and your circle,
but not necessarily still too.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Op for yes, And so the skeptical wants to have
the intrigue.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Of how did they know?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
There's so much more going on that we can't see.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I actually felt like I had a messenger. It was
probably only two months ago. Maxwell and I were down
at the beach and it was still winter. It was cold.
It would be there all day sitting on the beach,
playing on the beach, and it was probably about four
o'clock and the beach was relatively quiet. I just had
a tough week. I just felt like everything was defeating me.
(32:50):
I was being a bad parent, you name it, you know,
it just hits you sometimes like a ton of bricks.
And I just needed some reassurance. And someone walked up
to me on the beach. He's like, I need to
tell you something. And I was like, oh, here we go,
like creep on the beach. What do you want I know?
And he goes, I just need to tell you that
I saw you playing with your son on the beach
(33:10):
before and I'm not sure if you need to hear it,
but you're doing a really great job. He's like, I
can tell you a really good mum, and your little
boy is so lucky to have you. And then he
walked away and that was it. And I looked up
and there was this big full moon right above me
and Maxwell and I say that Daddy's on the moon
and that's our special symbol to know that Sean's around.
(33:32):
And the moon was huge, shining right above me, and
I was just that was Sean. I just knew that
was Sean. And you know, you tell some people that
story and they're like, Kaylo, think you're crazy, And I
was like, but it was. You know, why did that
happen exactly when I needed it to happen And.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You felt it? Right?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I felt it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And that could be different from someone just if you
were having a conversation with them and offered it, but
you felt it.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's completely random.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I want to ask the reverse. These messengers that we've
been talking to are like positive and reassuring. Are the
messages that are warnings?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah? I think more like the Omen. In storytelling and mythology,
we kind of have that sort of symbolism. But again,
I want to draw a really like fine line between
your mind running away with itself and anticipating something negative.
This potentially takes us out someplace that we don't need
(34:28):
to get into. But the mind by itself can latch
onto something and that idea of the self fulfilling prophecy. Right,
if you've seen the Omen and oh my god, the
world is doomed, that is your lens through which you
see the entire world. So yes, you can. But just
(34:48):
like I said, you can't go looking for everything's going
to be okay. Please don't go looking for the negative.
And so to that point, there was something you asked
me before about should everyone come and see a medium.
I think there's a really hefty dose of self awareness.
The irony of doing the work that I do is
that I actually don't want anyone to outsource to me.
(35:08):
I'll happily do it, but I want people to be
able to trust themselves, their own judgment, their own intuition,
to not blindly follow a what a psychic has told
you be what an omen or even a positive sign
has told you.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think it's so true, and I've definitely learned that
over the years that coming to see psychic medium like,
whatever the intention is of that session, it's not the
silver bullet, it's not the solution. Like I don't come
to you expecting you to solve my problems and set
me up for the future. You are just one person
within my support network or the healing that I need
(35:46):
to do. And I love that you actually talk about
self awareness, because I don't think we actually spend a
lot or enough time doing that. But I think you're
so right. Rather than coming to you and expecting one
hundred percent accuracy and the solution like, that's not fair
on you. I don't think nor is it fair on us,
because there's work that we need to do, and even
(36:07):
in a one hour reading, you're not going to be
able to solve a lifetime of events, both positive and negative.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Helen, how much information do you ask from somebody before
they come and do a reading with you?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
These days, I do ask for information. If someone doesn't
want to give it to me, they don't have to.
So different mediums or psychics will work in really different ways,
which is also a challenge. I don't need someone in
the room. If I have their first name, I can
do the reading. But if you give a false name,
(36:38):
which has happened, you won't get a good reading. You've
already entered with a sense of mistrust. But for me, anyway,
first name is fine. That's all I need.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I'm really keen to understand how we actually go away
from this. Obviously such an insightful conversation and we've covered
a lot, but how do we actually work on that intuition?
Are there any tools or resources that you suggest?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So one of the things is definitely self awareness, which
often is through meditation and mindfulness, could be going to yogurt.
It has nothing to do with seeing a psychic at all,
and it's just knowing yourself and that will be life changing.
But if you want to start noticing the signs or
the symbols, journaling oracle cards for me is a big thing.
(37:22):
There's certainly different tools, but you've actually got to ask
what is the guidance that you want? I actually say
there are four steps nice sneat acronym aria. You ask,
you'll receive the guidance. Your job there is to actually
notice it. Notice the sign. Then you've got to interpret
it so that I if you're going to fall down anywhere,
(37:43):
it's probably there because our mind wants it to mean something.
In particular, a is action. If you get a sign
and you've interpreted it and it's like, oh, okay, I'm
going to have to do this thing. You don't have
to do it today and you don't have to do
it tomorrow. But if you get a sign and you
don't act on it, what's the point. So ask this, interpret,
(38:06):
please act Helen.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
How can people get in contact with you after listening
to today's episode, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
The best way is probably my website which is Helenjacobs
dot co, and I'm usually on Instagram, which is also
at Helen Jacobs dot co. Can I please very kindly
remind people I'm not doing medium readings.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Because you've allowed so much more time and space to
do so much other great work.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I found other ways to help a lot of people
at once rather than the medium work.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I've been following you for a long time and
at the very least your Instagram page is great, as
is your podcast, and for those readers out there, they
might want to jump on and take a look at
your books as well. So I just really want to
say thank you for such a great conversation and for
sharing an insight into your world.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
My pleasure.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Thank you so much for having me and for doing
what you're doing, because your lemon is going to help
so many.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
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