October 21, 2025 • 26 mins
It is no surprise that the recent and tragic death of Charlie Kirk has impacted an entire nation, culture, and even the world! In light of this tragedy, regardless of one's political views, our guest, Sarah Stock, a TPUSA chapter founder and president at her Christian university, as well as a GenZ social media commentator and influencer with over 130,000 followers, brings a unique and insightful perspective to not only the cultural, but the Christian faith impact Charlie Kirk has left on an entire generation of truth-seeking students. Sarah also attended Charlie's memorial service in Arizona and gives her perspective about the Christ-centered atmosphere present that day. You don't want to miss this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Jesus said in John 15:12 to 13, my command is
this love each other as I have loved you. Greater
love has no one than this that he lay down
his life for his friends.
Uh, recently, our nation and the world heard Charlie Kirk's
widow Erica speak these rare but powerful words. She said
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this Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they know
not what they do. That young man, and she paused,
I forgive him.
I forgive him because it is what Christ did, and
it's what Charlie would do.
And as difficult as this topic is, and I will
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introduce our guests in a second, Sarah Stock, um, because
of Charlie's sacrifice.
Uh, this biblical truth.
That he represented and he uh actually delved into, and
he went where most Christians dare not go. He went
to America's college campuses.
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And he exemplified a biblical worldview that most dare not do.
So our nation and world has been thrust into this
difficulty of mourning and sorrow out of tragedy, but I,
I would say if you're a believer in Jesus Christ,
this one hits different.
There is almost an unexpected place of joy and renewed
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life for those who are either newly embracing Christianity or
re-embracing a biblical worldview and the way of Jesus through
incomprehensible forgiveness like Erica.
And even love for one's enemies. So in light of
these recent events, I've invited Sarah Stock, our guest today
on Kingdom and Culture, who actually personally knew Charlie Kirk
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and started a Turning Point USA chapter on her Christian
university campus just a few years ago.
I want to say this one thing before I get
into introducing Sarah. Charlie Kirk said this when a uh
a college student asked him about America being a theocracy,
he said this, I don't want a theocracy. This is
what Charlie Kirk said, I don't want a theocracy.
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I want this and he held up the Constitution. I
want the Constitution. I want a free society. I want
a revival of Christianity in this country. I want people
to give their lives to Jesus in huge numbers. I
want a government that is rooted in the Constitution and
is a republic that is small R, not the political party,
a republican form of government. So Sarah, because I want
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to let you talk, um.
You are a senior at a Christian university in Southern
California and uh over the course of your 4 years, uh,
as I've observed, it has been evident that uh you've been,
you've been a writer and a contributor to multiple online, uh,
mostly conservative news outlets and others, uh, but for this
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podcast purposes, you, as I mentioned, personally knew Charlie Kirk
and have been able to witness his Christian faith Foundation firsthand.
And so I want, I just want to ask this
first question. First of all, again, welcome, um, uh, I'm
gonna ask this question and feel free to fill in
the blanks and if I miss anything in terms of like,
you'd want people to know as we open up this conversation,
(03:24):
please feel free to just jump in with that.
But what unique attributes to Charlie Kirk's character and drive
in light of what I just mentioned with Christianity and
his faith, did you notice it can be both inspire
and comfort those listening, uh, whether on podcasts or radio
or watching online, uh, for this episode?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well,
honestly, what I found
most inspiring about Charlie Kirk, and this is something that
I didn't even fully appreciate until he died and then
I went to the memorial this past
weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh, you did. You went to
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Arizona. Yeah, I drove down for the memorial and so
I was able to hear all these people's testimonies about
him who knew him very well and were close to him.
And I think the most impressive thing about him.
was, first of all, yes, his courage. I think that
that goes without saying. He was, he was willing to
go and have difficult conversations on places that no one
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else wanted to go, but also his drive. He was
one of the most hardworking people I've ever seen, I've
ever even heard of. I mean, he started turning USA
when he was 18 years old. That's 4 years younger
than I am right now, and he was just working 24/7.
Until the day he died trying to fulfill his mission
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and what he felt that God called him to do.
And when I, I'm sitting there and I'm listening to
these testimonies and everyone's like, you sent me this Bible
verse every morning and then someone else is like, Oh,
he showed up to my kid's graduation, and someone else
is like, oh, he started this organization, he did this
3 hour podcast every single day. I'm like, how did
this guy even have the time for all of this, right?
(04:57):
And so I think that's like
Speaker 1 (04:58):
a
pastor like he's sending Bible verses and going to people.
I
Speaker 2 (05:02):
know, and I'm listening to this and I'm like, wow,
like this is a man. I seriously doubt he died
with any regrets in his life because he absolutely lived
his life to the fullest every single day, and I
don't mean that in the way that you know people
say live your life to the fullest, do whatever you want. Like, no,
he was focused on his mission and he spent every
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second of his day pouring into his relationships, spreading the gospel,
working on this organization.
Um, having a podcast show, he would respond to his
fan emails every single day that he got from his
podcast show. He would be debating with people in his email, right?
And I'm like, how do you even have the time
for this? I feel like I'm busy and yet he's
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able to accomplish so much, and I think that should
be inspiring to all of us. We have all this
time that God has given us and like what are
most of us using it for, right? We're wasting half
of it on our phone. Oh,
Speaker 1 (05:54):
for sure.
And I mean, I want to make this clear too.
There's no such thing as a perfect human being, so
we're not here to glorify Charlie Kirk. I think WWJD
still supersedes WWCD what would Jesus do versus what would
Charlie do? Uh, we need to focus on Jesus, but
I think, yeah, there's some, some respect that even those
who would disagree with his politics, if you will, that
(06:15):
can still go, actually this guy, yeah, like you said,
lived out his life to the full, according to what
he felt his mission was from God even.
Um, so as I mentioned already, you attend currently getting
ready to graduate in May of 2026, a Christian University,
December actually in December you're going early. See, you are
an overachiever. Good job, Sarah. I already, I already knew that,
(06:37):
but um, on this campus, you started a turning point
USA chapter.
Uh, can you tell our radio and, and podcast audience
more about what motivated you to do this and, and
how it impacted you and your peers in the time
that you were doing that and currently, uh, to be
able to have that club, that gathering on your campus?
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Why did you do it? What, I mean, even a
few years ago, people are still learning what TPUSA was like,
what the heck is this group? And they had questions
and didn't know and really he was just
Tapping into things that maybe were uh good old fashioned
biblical values that people are like, what's this? It's this
like Josiah opening the book of the law for the
first time in 100+ years in Israel, and people are like,
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what is this law? What God's word? What is that?
It's almost like people didn't understand and don't understand the
faith dynamics. So before I keep going, what was it
that motivated you to say, I'm gonna do this and
you and your peers and then how did that impact
you guys directly?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, well, I think uh my campus, it's a great
school and everything. It's not super overtly political, it's a
Christian school. And so, you know, me and my turning
Pot USA chapter, we feel that our politics are downstream
from our faith. We feel that the social issues, especially
that we're passionate about come downstream from Christianity, and we
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felt like there needed to be more of a focus
on that. We want to be able to have
Have difficult conversations to invite the, the other side to
come and debate us on what I saw you
Speaker 1 (08:10):
guys do on a multiplicity
Speaker 2 (08:12):
and
we would shake hands with them after and just have fun,
go get Chick fil A or something together and we would,
we would even have debate nights within our own club
because even it's not like conservatives agree on everything either.
We would do that. We would honestly have even more
fun doing that all the time. But yeah, really we
want a space to be able to bring the more.
Difficult hot button issues to campus, because the thing is,
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everyone's already talking about it anyways, talking about it on
social media where it gets really polarized. They're talking about
it in their friend groups behind closed doors. So we
want to actually have these discussions out in the open
and sort of just try to get to the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So, and we'll keep going on that. So you would
say better to have it in a faith framework, and
open dialogue with accountability.
Than just pulling things off the internet that are half
truth maybe or opinion based rather than fact base. And
so you're saying to do this you have to be
willing to have the difficult conversation, which I, I actually witnessed.
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I remember, if I may say so, there was one
issue and we're not going to get into the issues
that got a little heated and I was called at
9:30 at night from my bed, uh, to come and
to pray over you guys and bring peace, which you
guys were doing well already.
But it was cool to be a pastor in that
moment to help pastor the situation for people on both
sides of the issue and really afterwards I can attest
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to that, like you said, there was peace, there was
mutual respect even in disagreement. So I've seen it played out, um.
So you're saying that it was a motivation for you
to be able to say, hey, we're gonna talk about
these anyway. It's kind of like, uh, there is no
spoon or there is no uh man behind the curtain
just ignore what's happening and you're saying, no, let's talk
about this. Is that, is that what I'm getting at here?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And then also, in
addition to that, I mean, I'm just a politics nerd,
so I want to be able to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I want to be able to find other friends who
have the same views as me and are also passionate
about it and just be able to meet every other
week and just talk about it and basically nerd out.
And that's what the club has really become. I mean,
it's formed friendships that you know everyone from the club
hangs out outside of the club too, because, you know,
like what else can you have more in common with
someone else than
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Your values.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So beyond, you know, yeah, your common shared values and viewpoints,
it created a community for you guys.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, and it's a poli sci major, it's like I
want an outlet for that. I want an outlet to
just be able to talk about politics, about what happened
that week. So it's just really good for that too.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And knowing your your drive, Sarah, you are an overachiever,
if I may say so, having been a professor of
one of your classes.
You go all in, you, you, you do quality work
in your writing, in your, in your verbal presentation extemporaneously,
you're just ready to go, um, even now. So, uh,
as I, uh, give you all these questions, um, that's awesome.
(11:00):
So overall positive impact that it has had for you
to have that TPSA. So, as I've experienced you, um,
you're not afraid to ask those tough questions, uh, or
to speak up on matters, and I would even say,
as you said,
Everything stems from your faith, a foundation of faith, and
from there come your philosophical and or political viewpoints. Um,
(11:22):
so you're not afraid to speak up on matters of
Christian morality, and those may have political association to declare
a gospel truth.
Because our world, it seems, is so politically driven, those
who don't have a biblical framework will take your statement
as a political statement, even though you're like, no, I'm
just quoting scripture. Yeah.
(11:44):
Which you look in scripture and every time a prophet
would speak, the political people would get mad, not all
of them, but there was that you could see that
throughout the Old Testament, even New Testament, uh, as Jesus
is bringing the word of God, the politicians are getting
mad at him. Um, so there is that, uh, and
it's on both sides of the aisle. We're not here
to again propagate one political party or make this political,
(12:06):
but I'm gonna ask you, you mentioned the word courage earlier.
Uh, even pre Charlie Kirk's, um, assassination, what drives you
to be so bold among your generation? I mean,
When I first met you, I was like, this girl
is bold, like bold, and, and, and I, and I
(12:28):
would say in a positive way, what drives you, you personally? What,
what does that drive beyond, oh, I wanna be nerd
out on politics. What drives you to be driven for truth?
it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to sound too negative,
but I just see a lot of problems in the
world that we're living in, just Western
Speaker 1 (12:45):
civil I think that's negative. That's realistic.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, and so really it's just it feels like I'm
seeing the world fall apart around me and no one
else is seeing it or something. It's like how can
I not, you know, I don't want to tell my
grandchildren I didn't try to do anything. That's that's how
I feel about it.
I don't want to be someone who goes down without
a fight. Well, obviously
Speaker 1 (13:05):
the rapture didn't happen recently, so we have work to do, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (13:09):
exactly. We can't just sit around, wait, wait to be
raptured
Speaker 1 (13:12):
up, which I'm, I'm all about it. I'm a pre-tripper, or,
you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, uh, if
it doesn't happen, we have
Speaker 2 (13:19):
work
Speaker 1 (13:19):
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Exactly. We can't just, we can't just wait for that
to happen. We need to try to.
Create a world that will be a good place for
our kids and our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to live in.
And that's something I care about, even if it, even
if it's, you know, hanging on by a thread right
now and everything is like, you know, it's OK. It's
like if we're on a steady decline, it's going to
be worse for future generations and you know, I just
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can't let that happen. So I'm going to do everything
I can. And also in terms of me.
I guess being able to be bold, um, I think
it's sort of an exposure therapy thing if you know
what I mean by that?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I
actually don't. You're smarter than me. Go ahead, tell us
what is exposure therapy therapy,
Speaker 2 (14:01):
let's say someone has a fear of spiders, and so
a spider and it's like terrifying, but after a few times,
maybe the fear you overcome it.
So that's how I feel about sharing my political views
because I started doing it just in in high school,
just posting stuff on my Instagram story and it was like, whoa,
people got mad. I lost so many friends in high
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school just for sharing what I mean, things that I
don't even think are that controversial now. And and so
that was sort of a thing it's like, you know,
it's an initial fear of like.
Oh, what are people going to think of me? And
then you lose a few friends and it's like, well,
that's the worst that can happen if someone doesn't want
to be friends with me for my political views, you know,
that's OK. Maybe they weren't a real friend to begin with.
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And then, yeah, so I kind of got over the
fear that way and then since then it's like, you know,
if I don't have any fear anymore and I see
a problem, why would I not do something about it?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wow. And and uh you know, and there's people that
would be oppositional to your views that would
Quote, feel the same way, but again, I want to
come back to that biblical framework that you launched from and, and,
you know, I think one of the beautiful things even
going back to what Erik Kirkirk said was, you know,
for those that harm us or that is Christians or
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bring our to love our enemies, um, uh, you know,
how do you walk through that? So you've lost friends,
how do you model Erika Kirk's, I mean, you were there,
you saw her say it live. I mean, I'm sure.
I mean, tell us about even in that moment in
that room, but how do you model that, that ability
to both hold on to truth and yet like Jesus,
(15:34):
John 1:14 and 17, the Bible says he's full of
grace and truth and yet show that grace in the
midst of holding on to that truth. And I think
that's what Charlie Kirk even was able to do. He
was able to thread that needle carefully of grace and truth.
How do, how do you do that? I mean, you
do that in real time.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, I mean it was, it was crazy being in
the room for that moment, looking around and I was
more in the, you know, I was near the stage
so I I'm with surrounded by people. I'm sort of
like a few seats away from congressmen, that sort of thing,
and they have tears streaming down their faces like everyone,
there was not a dry eye in the room and
(16:13):
it was just so interesting. It was like some of
the most powerful people in the country were all there,
proclaimed the name of Jesus, many of them, which.
I don't think they.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't think that
would have flown 1015 years ago, right? But we saw
some of the most powerful people in the country proclaim
the name of Jesus. And so it was, there's a
lot of, you know,
Christian like spiritual energy that's when I say spiritual energy,
Speaker 1 (16:37):
it's the vibe was very Christian,
Speaker 2 (16:39):
but you know what I mean by that. You could
really feel the Holy Spirit in that room and especially
when Erica said she forgave the the killer. I don't know,
it just, yeah, I couldn't stop crying when she said that.
I think that's
how everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And I heard there's no dry eye in the room,
but if you were tearing up already, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it was just very impactful. It was, I think
it showed people, you know, this is only possible with God.
It's only possible to forgive your husband's killer with the
Holy Spirit of you. I don't think there's there's any
other way, right? Through God all things are possible, so.
Yeah, I, I thought that was super impactful. I'm trying
to remember what the second thing was that we'll move
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on,
Speaker 1 (17:21):
um, and we'll probably come back to it just in
regards to how, how do you, how, OK, how do you, uh,
how do you model that with people that come against you, Sarah,
they'll call you names and, and label you. I'm not
going to use the terms because I don't want to
give them any glory, but all the common terms that
are spoken against somebody that would lean like yourself to
a more conservative viewpoint. Um, how do you
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How do you choose to forgive and or thread that
needle of seeing their imaggo day, their image of God
in them, even though you're an oppositional viewpoint? Yeah, I
Speaker 2 (17:53):
mean, I don't, when people are like that, it's like
I don't.
hate them and you know I don't want anything bad
to happen to them. I actually want good things to
happen to them so that they sort of see the
light because I just feel bad for a lot of
these people, to be honest, a lot of
Speaker 1 (18:08):
compassion would well up.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean I just feel bad for a lot
of these people. A lot of people come from broken families.
They're not able to conceive of a world where you
could have a traditional family because they didn't come from that.
And so there's a lot of wounds that come from
that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I can attest to that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think that's part of it and I think a
lot of people.
They they haven't really had that luxury, I guess, of like,
like I was raised in a Christian worldview and so
it does seem maybe scary to them or foreign or whatever.
And so yeah, how can I not feel bad for
these people that are clearly broken too?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And or help them come to a place of, hey,
you can have this too. Yeah, like it's, it's just
and come back to Jesus type thing.
Oh, there's so much to unpack here, but I'm gonna
keep moving forward, um, you know, historically, to your history
nerding out, when one reviews the spiritual revival specifically in
America and even England.
(19:04):
All of them did lead to some sort of political
movement or rather a change for things for the better.
For example, in the first Great Awakening in the United States, uh,
it influenced the American revolutionaries to declare we have no
king but Jesus. Uh, and in England, uh, uh, John
Newton gave his life to Jesus, who he was a
slave trader, and he wrote Amazing Grace.
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Uh, who saved Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound. We
know the lyrics that saved a wretch like me. So
he literally was saying, I feel like a wretch because
of how I traded people. And he was, he repented
of that. Well, he became the pastor of a man
named William Wilberforce, who for the next 30 years of
his life through Parliament in England sought to end.
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Not just the slave trade, but slavery in the entire
British Empire, and he did in 1833, the slave trade
was abolished and in 1834, slavery altogether was abolished in
the British Empire. And that second Great Awakening then on
the front lines in America, uh, led to people repenting
of drinking on the frontier. And, and then of course, uh,
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the abolitionists in America. So there seems to be this,
this inescapable association between spiritual fortitude, conviction.
And how that translates into culture, which this podcast is
called Kingdom and Culture. So how the kingdom advances through that.
Here's the big thing I'm gonna ask you, OK? You're gonna,
you're gonna be the voice of your generation right now.
You ready? What's going on in Gen Z? What is
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motivating you guys as a whole? Like you spoke on
your behalf, but now what is this? What's happening? We,
we saw this happening since Asbury, people getting baptized in water, um,
there's a, even, even in.
Catholic Church, which I'm not Catholic and I hear you're
engaged to a Catholic man and you're getting married. When
are you getting married, by the way? in January. Great, wonderful.
So graduating, getting married, good for you. But there's this
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resurgence of Christian faith altogether in all facets of the church,
it would seem. What's going on, Sarah? What's happening in
Gen Z and even Gen Alpha?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, well, I think with the millennials, the pendulum just
swung all the way where it's like it's cool to
be atheist and you know, it's super edgy and cool
Speaker 1 (21:12):
to deny my Christian roots to a certain degree and
Speaker 2 (21:16):
you know it's cool to be a degenerate, right? um
and then now with with Gen Z we're like, actually
that's cool. Yeah, it's actually not that cool. It's not,
you're not deep or something if you don't believe in God,
it's not that edgy, you're not
Speaker 1 (21:29):
unique. Like if you if you deconstructed your faith, it's like, OK.
But let's reconstruct it back into a biblical framework.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, exactly. But I think with Gen Z, so it's
like we have this culture that's just so driven by purpose, purposeful,
I'm saying like purposeless but purposeful,
Speaker 1 (21:46):
purposelessness to purposefulness.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
OK, I'm not even going to try to say the word.
I don't know why purposeful, purposefulness. But Gen Z has, um,
you know, we're living in this culture so driven by
purposefulness and I think
There's, it's like the reaction to that is like we're
searching for a purpose. We're searching for truth, we're searching for,
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you know, a firm foundation rather than just, oh believe
whatever you want to believe, you know, we're looking for, well,
what is the truth? How should I live my life? I,
I think there is probably one way that is the
best
way to live your life.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, I mean, Jesus said I am the way, the
truth and the life, and no one comes to the
Father except through me and John 14:6. So it would seem.
Pointing to Jesus is the way to truth and then
to live your life. Seeing
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Gen Z is just tired of this, you know, hookup
culture and laziness and nihilism, and there's no point in
anything that sort
Speaker 1 (22:40):
of see everybody with Sarah that we have here on this,
she's already going deep and people like nihilism, what's that
or not hillism look it up. It's a really cool
word and you'll find the definition quite.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and so I think, you know, that's what it is.
A lot of these, a lot of the young men
are turning to try to revive masculinity and a lot
of the young women are now even searching to try
to revive femininity and sort of lean.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
In a biblical
way that that that's that's this is who we are
as men and women of God.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, and it's funny how doing that just as a
woman being feminine or as a man trying to be
masculine is rebellious in our culture. It's kind of crazy
Speaker 1 (23:19):
that's the definition of rebellion, rebel away, my friends. Um,
so last question I have for you, um, because Sarah,
in your 4 years in college and even before you've
experienced so much you have.
Singing 130,000 followers on X and then you have this
Instagram account with 70,000 people and we'll give you a chance.
What are your handles, by the way, for those that
(23:39):
are listening for for those? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (23:41):
it's just
Sarah C on both X and on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Awesome. So if you want to follow Sarah, you can
do that.
Um, but what encouragement do you want to leave with
our listeners who are either parents of Gen Z, or
Gen Alpha, um, that is with all the evil things
that you mentioned in the world, see, you already mentioned it,
and that's just being realistic. Where do you think that
our hope can be found, uh, I mean, I'm just
frame it, but with first.
And Jesus, but secondly, in the direction, and you kind
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of already mentioned this, um, that can be found and
prayed through what, what hope would you leave with your
generation and parents of Gen Z and Gen Alpha and
even grandparents in light of this moral decay that we've
already identified in the darkness that just keeps keeps coming and, um,
and in light of the example Charlie Kirk left us,
his legacy, if you will, um,
(24:30):
How can you give hope to your generation and then
how can we pray proactively for you and your peers, um, as,
as we wrap this up here?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, I think the hope is, like you said, is
that Gen Z is looking for the truth and um
and I think a lot of Gen Z is very
passionate about that too. So it's not something that's just
You know, it's not, it's not like they're just like vaguely, oh,
I kind of want to know what's going on, like
Gen Z is driving full force, trying to find out
what the truth is, searching for God, searching for tradition,
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for family, all these things that are really important and
trying to revive that. And so I think there's a
lot of hope to be found of that and you
know we saw this with the memorial this past weekend,
we saw Erica Kirk.
It was a national moment for Gay for Husband's killer,
and we saw, I think we're seeing a little bit
of a revival. I don't know if that means necessarily
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fully a spiritual revival, but I think it's just inspired
a lot of people to try to, you know, chase
after the mission that God placed in their hearts. And
so I think there's just a lot of hope in
that if we see
Just even 100 people try to follow the lead of
Charlie Kirk. That doesn't necessarily even mean going into politics,
but live life to the fullest. We could have thousands
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more Charlie Kirks that are trying to live their life.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Just live for God, right? How can we pray for
you guys just as people are listening? How can they
just pray for your generation in a few words because
we're just gonna wrap it up here in a few.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I think just pray for us that we will
have the courage and that also we'll we'll stay on
track and um you know, just have Christ as our
foundation and nothing else.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, thank you, Sarah Stock for joining us on Kingdom
and Culture and uh we will be praying for your generation,
for Gen Z and Gen Alpha, and may God continue
to move in our time. May the light shine through
the darkness and may he use you and your generation
to bring new hope and new life to not just
American culture, but the world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Thank you.
Jesus said in John 15:12 to 13, my command is
this love each other as I have loved you. Greater
love has no one than this that he lay down
his life for his friends.
Uh, recently, our nation and the world heard Charlie Kirk's
widow Erica speak these rare but powerful words. She said
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this Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they know
not what they do. That young man, and she paused,
I forgive him.
I forgive him because it is what Christ did, and
it's what Charlie would do.
And as difficult as this topic is, and I will
(00:56):
introduce our guests in a second, Sarah Stock, um, because
of Charlie's sacrifice.
Uh, this biblical truth.
That he represented and he uh actually delved into, and
he went where most Christians dare not go. He went
to America's college campuses.
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And he exemplified a biblical worldview that most dare not do.
So our nation and world has been thrust into this
difficulty of mourning and sorrow out of tragedy, but I,
I would say if you're a believer in Jesus Christ,
this one hits different.
There is almost an unexpected place of joy and renewed
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life for those who are either newly embracing Christianity or
re-embracing a biblical worldview and the way of Jesus through
incomprehensible forgiveness like Erica.
And even love for one's enemies. So in light of
these recent events, I've invited Sarah Stock, our guest today
on Kingdom and Culture, who actually personally knew Charlie Kirk
(02:01):
and started a Turning Point USA chapter on her Christian
university campus just a few years ago.
I want to say this one thing before I get
into introducing Sarah. Charlie Kirk said this when a uh
a college student asked him about America being a theocracy,
he said this, I don't want a theocracy. This is
what Charlie Kirk said, I don't want a theocracy.
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I want this and he held up the Constitution. I
want the Constitution. I want a free society. I want
a revival of Christianity in this country. I want people
to give their lives to Jesus in huge numbers. I
want a government that is rooted in the Constitution and
is a republic that is small R, not the political party,
a republican form of government. So Sarah, because I want
(02:43):
to let you talk, um.
You are a senior at a Christian university in Southern
California and uh over the course of your 4 years, uh,
as I've observed, it has been evident that uh you've been,
you've been a writer and a contributor to multiple online, uh,
mostly conservative news outlets and others, uh, but for this
(03:03):
podcast purposes, you, as I mentioned, personally knew Charlie Kirk
and have been able to witness his Christian faith Foundation firsthand.
And so I want, I just want to ask this
first question. First of all, again, welcome, um, uh, I'm
gonna ask this question and feel free to fill in
the blanks and if I miss anything in terms of like,
you'd want people to know as we open up this conversation,
(03:24):
please feel free to just jump in with that.
But what unique attributes to Charlie Kirk's character and drive
in light of what I just mentioned with Christianity and
his faith, did you notice it can be both inspire
and comfort those listening, uh, whether on podcasts or radio
or watching online, uh, for this episode?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well,
honestly, what I found
most inspiring about Charlie Kirk, and this is something that
I didn't even fully appreciate until he died and then
I went to the memorial this past
weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh, you did. You went to
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Arizona. Yeah, I drove down for the memorial and so
I was able to hear all these people's testimonies about
him who knew him very well and were close to him.
And I think the most impressive thing about him.
was, first of all, yes, his courage. I think that
that goes without saying. He was, he was willing to
go and have difficult conversations on places that no one
(04:15):
else wanted to go, but also his drive. He was
one of the most hardworking people I've ever seen, I've
ever even heard of. I mean, he started turning USA
when he was 18 years old. That's 4 years younger
than I am right now, and he was just working 24/7.
Until the day he died trying to fulfill his mission
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and what he felt that God called him to do.
And when I, I'm sitting there and I'm listening to
these testimonies and everyone's like, you sent me this Bible
verse every morning and then someone else is like, Oh,
he showed up to my kid's graduation, and someone else
is like, oh, he started this organization, he did this
3 hour podcast every single day. I'm like, how did
this guy even have the time for all of this, right?
(04:57):
And so I think that's like
Speaker 1 (04:58):
a
pastor like he's sending Bible verses and going to people.
I
Speaker 2 (05:02):
know, and I'm listening to this and I'm like, wow,
like this is a man. I seriously doubt he died
with any regrets in his life because he absolutely lived
his life to the fullest every single day, and I
don't mean that in the way that you know people
say live your life to the fullest, do whatever you want. Like, no,
he was focused on his mission and he spent every
(05:22):
second of his day pouring into his relationships, spreading the gospel,
working on this organization.
Um, having a podcast show, he would respond to his
fan emails every single day that he got from his
podcast show. He would be debating with people in his email, right?
And I'm like, how do you even have the time
for this? I feel like I'm busy and yet he's
(05:42):
able to accomplish so much, and I think that should
be inspiring to all of us. We have all this
time that God has given us and like what are
most of us using it for, right? We're wasting half
of it on our phone. Oh,
Speaker 1 (05:54):
for sure.
And I mean, I want to make this clear too.
There's no such thing as a perfect human being, so
we're not here to glorify Charlie Kirk. I think WWJD
still supersedes WWCD what would Jesus do versus what would
Charlie do? Uh, we need to focus on Jesus, but
I think, yeah, there's some, some respect that even those
who would disagree with his politics, if you will, that
(06:15):
can still go, actually this guy, yeah, like you said,
lived out his life to the full, according to what
he felt his mission was from God even.
Um, so as I mentioned already, you attend currently getting
ready to graduate in May of 2026, a Christian University,
December actually in December you're going early. See, you are
an overachiever. Good job, Sarah. I already, I already knew that,
(06:37):
but um, on this campus, you started a turning point
USA chapter.
Uh, can you tell our radio and, and podcast audience
more about what motivated you to do this and, and
how it impacted you and your peers in the time
that you were doing that and currently, uh, to be
able to have that club, that gathering on your campus?
(07:00):
Why did you do it? What, I mean, even a
few years ago, people are still learning what TPUSA was like,
what the heck is this group? And they had questions
and didn't know and really he was just
Tapping into things that maybe were uh good old fashioned
biblical values that people are like, what's this? It's this
like Josiah opening the book of the law for the
first time in 100+ years in Israel, and people are like,
(07:22):
what is this law? What God's word? What is that?
It's almost like people didn't understand and don't understand the
faith dynamics. So before I keep going, what was it
that motivated you to say, I'm gonna do this and
you and your peers and then how did that impact
you guys directly?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, well, I think uh my campus, it's a great
school and everything. It's not super overtly political, it's a
Christian school. And so, you know, me and my turning
Pot USA chapter, we feel that our politics are downstream
from our faith. We feel that the social issues, especially
that we're passionate about come downstream from Christianity, and we
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felt like there needed to be more of a focus
on that. We want to be able to have
Have difficult conversations to invite the, the other side to
come and debate us on what I saw you
Speaker 1 (08:10):
guys do on a multiplicity
Speaker 2 (08:12):
and
we would shake hands with them after and just have fun,
go get Chick fil A or something together and we would,
we would even have debate nights within our own club
because even it's not like conservatives agree on everything either.
We would do that. We would honestly have even more
fun doing that all the time. But yeah, really we
want a space to be able to bring the more.
Difficult hot button issues to campus, because the thing is,
(08:35):
everyone's already talking about it anyways, talking about it on
social media where it gets really polarized. They're talking about
it in their friend groups behind closed doors. So we
want to actually have these discussions out in the open
and sort of just try to get to the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So, and we'll keep going on that. So you would
say better to have it in a faith framework, and
open dialogue with accountability.
Than just pulling things off the internet that are half
truth maybe or opinion based rather than fact base. And
so you're saying to do this you have to be
willing to have the difficult conversation, which I, I actually witnessed.
(09:09):
I remember, if I may say so, there was one
issue and we're not going to get into the issues
that got a little heated and I was called at
9:30 at night from my bed, uh, to come and
to pray over you guys and bring peace, which you
guys were doing well already.
But it was cool to be a pastor in that
moment to help pastor the situation for people on both
sides of the issue and really afterwards I can attest
(09:32):
to that, like you said, there was peace, there was
mutual respect even in disagreement. So I've seen it played out, um.
So you're saying that it was a motivation for you
to be able to say, hey, we're gonna talk about
these anyway. It's kind of like, uh, there is no
spoon or there is no uh man behind the curtain
just ignore what's happening and you're saying, no, let's talk
about this. Is that, is that what I'm getting at here?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And then also, in
addition to that, I mean, I'm just a politics nerd,
so I want to be able to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I want to be able to find other friends who
have the same views as me and are also passionate
about it and just be able to meet every other
week and just talk about it and basically nerd out.
And that's what the club has really become. I mean,
it's formed friendships that you know everyone from the club
hangs out outside of the club too, because, you know,
like what else can you have more in common with
someone else than
(10:23):
Your values.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So beyond, you know, yeah, your common shared values and viewpoints,
it created a community for you guys.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, and it's a poli sci major, it's like I
want an outlet for that. I want an outlet to
just be able to talk about politics, about what happened
that week. So it's just really good for that too.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And knowing your your drive, Sarah, you are an overachiever,
if I may say so, having been a professor of
one of your classes.
You go all in, you, you, you do quality work
in your writing, in your, in your verbal presentation extemporaneously,
you're just ready to go, um, even now. So, uh,
as I, uh, give you all these questions, um, that's awesome.
(11:00):
So overall positive impact that it has had for you
to have that TPSA. So, as I've experienced you, um,
you're not afraid to ask those tough questions, uh, or
to speak up on matters, and I would even say,
as you said,
Everything stems from your faith, a foundation of faith, and
from there come your philosophical and or political viewpoints. Um,
(11:22):
so you're not afraid to speak up on matters of
Christian morality, and those may have political association to declare
a gospel truth.
Because our world, it seems, is so politically driven, those
who don't have a biblical framework will take your statement
as a political statement, even though you're like, no, I'm
just quoting scripture. Yeah.
(11:44):
Which you look in scripture and every time a prophet
would speak, the political people would get mad, not all
of them, but there was that you could see that
throughout the Old Testament, even New Testament, uh, as Jesus
is bringing the word of God, the politicians are getting
mad at him. Um, so there is that, uh, and
it's on both sides of the aisle. We're not here
to again propagate one political party or make this political,
(12:06):
but I'm gonna ask you, you mentioned the word courage earlier.
Uh, even pre Charlie Kirk's, um, assassination, what drives you
to be so bold among your generation? I mean,
When I first met you, I was like, this girl
is bold, like bold, and, and, and I, and I
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would say in a positive way, what drives you, you personally? What,
what does that drive beyond, oh, I wanna be nerd
out on politics. What drives you to be driven for truth?
it sounds like.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to sound too negative,
but I just see a lot of problems in the
world that we're living in, just Western
Speaker 1 (12:45):
civil I think that's negative. That's realistic.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, and so really it's just it feels like I'm
seeing the world fall apart around me and no one
else is seeing it or something. It's like how can
I not, you know, I don't want to tell my
grandchildren I didn't try to do anything. That's that's how
I feel about it.
I don't want to be someone who goes down without
a fight. Well, obviously
Speaker 1 (13:05):
the rapture didn't happen recently, so we have work to do, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (13:09):
exactly. We can't just sit around, wait, wait to be
raptured
Speaker 1 (13:12):
up, which I'm, I'm all about it. I'm a pre-tripper, or,
you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, uh, if
it doesn't happen, we have
Speaker 2 (13:19):
work
Speaker 1 (13:19):
to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Exactly. We can't just, we can't just wait for that
to happen. We need to try to.
Create a world that will be a good place for
our kids and our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to live in.
And that's something I care about, even if it, even
if it's, you know, hanging on by a thread right
now and everything is like, you know, it's OK. It's
like if we're on a steady decline, it's going to
be worse for future generations and you know, I just
(13:44):
can't let that happen. So I'm going to do everything
I can. And also in terms of me.
I guess being able to be bold, um, I think
it's sort of an exposure therapy thing if you know
what I mean by that?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I
actually don't. You're smarter than me. Go ahead, tell us
what is exposure therapy therapy,
Speaker 2 (14:01):
let's say someone has a fear of spiders, and so
a spider and it's like terrifying, but after a few times,
maybe the fear you overcome it.
So that's how I feel about sharing my political views
because I started doing it just in in high school,
just posting stuff on my Instagram story and it was like, whoa,
people got mad. I lost so many friends in high
(14:22):
school just for sharing what I mean, things that I
don't even think are that controversial now. And and so
that was sort of a thing it's like, you know,
it's an initial fear of like.
Oh, what are people going to think of me? And
then you lose a few friends and it's like, well,
that's the worst that can happen if someone doesn't want
to be friends with me for my political views, you know,
that's OK. Maybe they weren't a real friend to begin with.
(14:42):
And then, yeah, so I kind of got over the
fear that way and then since then it's like, you know,
if I don't have any fear anymore and I see
a problem, why would I not do something about it?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wow. And and uh you know, and there's people that
would be oppositional to your views that would
Quote, feel the same way, but again, I want to
come back to that biblical framework that you launched from and, and,
you know, I think one of the beautiful things even
going back to what Erik Kirkirk said was, you know,
for those that harm us or that is Christians or
(15:12):
bring our to love our enemies, um, uh, you know,
how do you walk through that? So you've lost friends,
how do you model Erika Kirk's, I mean, you were there,
you saw her say it live. I mean, I'm sure.
I mean, tell us about even in that moment in
that room, but how do you model that, that ability
to both hold on to truth and yet like Jesus,
(15:34):
John 1:14 and 17, the Bible says he's full of
grace and truth and yet show that grace in the
midst of holding on to that truth. And I think
that's what Charlie Kirk even was able to do. He
was able to thread that needle carefully of grace and truth.
How do, how do you do that? I mean, you
do that in real time.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, I mean it was, it was crazy being in
the room for that moment, looking around and I was
more in the, you know, I was near the stage
so I I'm with surrounded by people. I'm sort of
like a few seats away from congressmen, that sort of thing,
and they have tears streaming down their faces like everyone,
there was not a dry eye in the room and
(16:13):
it was just so interesting. It was like some of
the most powerful people in the country were all there,
proclaimed the name of Jesus, many of them, which.
I don't think they.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't think that
would have flown 1015 years ago, right? But we saw
some of the most powerful people in the country proclaim
the name of Jesus. And so it was, there's a
lot of, you know,
Christian like spiritual energy that's when I say spiritual energy,
Speaker 1 (16:37):
it's the vibe was very Christian,
Speaker 2 (16:39):
but you know what I mean by that. You could
really feel the Holy Spirit in that room and especially
when Erica said she forgave the the killer. I don't know,
it just, yeah, I couldn't stop crying when she said that.
I think that's
how everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
And I heard there's no dry eye in the room,
but if you were tearing up already, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it was just very impactful. It was, I think
it showed people, you know, this is only possible with God.
It's only possible to forgive your husband's killer with the
Holy Spirit of you. I don't think there's there's any
other way, right? Through God all things are possible, so.
Yeah, I, I thought that was super impactful. I'm trying
to remember what the second thing was that we'll move
(17:20):
on,
Speaker 1 (17:21):
um, and we'll probably come back to it just in
regards to how, how do you, how, OK, how do you, uh,
how do you model that with people that come against you, Sarah,
they'll call you names and, and label you. I'm not
going to use the terms because I don't want to
give them any glory, but all the common terms that
are spoken against somebody that would lean like yourself to
a more conservative viewpoint. Um, how do you
(17:43):
How do you choose to forgive and or thread that
needle of seeing their imaggo day, their image of God
in them, even though you're an oppositional viewpoint? Yeah, I
Speaker 2 (17:53):
mean, I don't, when people are like that, it's like
I don't.
hate them and you know I don't want anything bad
to happen to them. I actually want good things to
happen to them so that they sort of see the
light because I just feel bad for a lot of
these people, to be honest, a lot of
Speaker 1 (18:08):
compassion would well up.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean I just feel bad for a lot
of these people. A lot of people come from broken families.
They're not able to conceive of a world where you
could have a traditional family because they didn't come from that.
And so there's a lot of wounds that come from
that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I can attest to that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think that's part of it and I think a
lot of people.
They they haven't really had that luxury, I guess, of like,
like I was raised in a Christian worldview and so
it does seem maybe scary to them or foreign or whatever.
And so yeah, how can I not feel bad for
these people that are clearly broken too?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And or help them come to a place of, hey,
you can have this too. Yeah, like it's, it's just
and come back to Jesus type thing.
Oh, there's so much to unpack here, but I'm gonna
keep moving forward, um, you know, historically, to your history
nerding out, when one reviews the spiritual revival specifically in
America and even England.
(19:04):
All of them did lead to some sort of political
movement or rather a change for things for the better.
For example, in the first Great Awakening in the United States, uh,
it influenced the American revolutionaries to declare we have no
king but Jesus. Uh, and in England, uh, uh, John
Newton gave his life to Jesus, who he was a
slave trader, and he wrote Amazing Grace.
(19:27):
Uh, who saved Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound. We
know the lyrics that saved a wretch like me. So
he literally was saying, I feel like a wretch because
of how I traded people. And he was, he repented
of that. Well, he became the pastor of a man
named William Wilberforce, who for the next 30 years of
his life through Parliament in England sought to end.
(19:48):
Not just the slave trade, but slavery in the entire
British Empire, and he did in 1833, the slave trade
was abolished and in 1834, slavery altogether was abolished in
the British Empire. And that second Great Awakening then on
the front lines in America, uh, led to people repenting
of drinking on the frontier. And, and then of course, uh,
(20:08):
the abolitionists in America. So there seems to be this,
this inescapable association between spiritual fortitude, conviction.
And how that translates into culture, which this podcast is
called Kingdom and Culture. So how the kingdom advances through that.
Here's the big thing I'm gonna ask you, OK? You're gonna,
you're gonna be the voice of your generation right now.
You ready? What's going on in Gen Z? What is
(20:32):
motivating you guys as a whole? Like you spoke on
your behalf, but now what is this? What's happening? We,
we saw this happening since Asbury, people getting baptized in water, um,
there's a, even, even in.
Catholic Church, which I'm not Catholic and I hear you're
engaged to a Catholic man and you're getting married. When
are you getting married, by the way? in January. Great, wonderful.
So graduating, getting married, good for you. But there's this
(20:54):
resurgence of Christian faith altogether in all facets of the church,
it would seem. What's going on, Sarah? What's happening in
Gen Z and even Gen Alpha?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, well, I think with the millennials, the pendulum just
swung all the way where it's like it's cool to
be atheist and you know, it's super edgy and cool
Speaker 1 (21:12):
to deny my Christian roots to a certain degree and
Speaker 2 (21:16):
you know it's cool to be a degenerate, right? um
and then now with with Gen Z we're like, actually
that's cool. Yeah, it's actually not that cool. It's not,
you're not deep or something if you don't believe in God,
it's not that edgy, you're not
Speaker 1 (21:29):
unique. Like if you if you deconstructed your faith, it's like, OK.
But let's reconstruct it back into a biblical framework.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, exactly. But I think with Gen Z, so it's
like we have this culture that's just so driven by purpose, purposeful,
I'm saying like purposeless but purposeful,
Speaker 1 (21:46):
purposelessness to purposefulness.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
OK, I'm not even going to try to say the word.
I don't know why purposeful, purposefulness. But Gen Z has, um,
you know, we're living in this culture so driven by
purposefulness and I think
There's, it's like the reaction to that is like we're
searching for a purpose. We're searching for truth, we're searching for,
(22:08):
you know, a firm foundation rather than just, oh believe
whatever you want to believe, you know, we're looking for, well,
what is the truth? How should I live my life? I,
I think there is probably one way that is the
best
way to live your life.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, I mean, Jesus said I am the way, the
truth and the life, and no one comes to the
Father except through me and John 14:6. So it would seem.
Pointing to Jesus is the way to truth and then
to live your life. Seeing
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Gen Z is just tired of this, you know, hookup
culture and laziness and nihilism, and there's no point in
anything that sort
Speaker 1 (22:40):
of see everybody with Sarah that we have here on this,
she's already going deep and people like nihilism, what's that
or not hillism look it up. It's a really cool
word and you'll find the definition quite.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and so I think, you know, that's what it is.
A lot of these, a lot of the young men
are turning to try to revive masculinity and a lot
of the young women are now even searching to try
to revive femininity and sort of lean.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
In a biblical
way that that that's that's this is who we are
as men and women of God.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, and it's funny how doing that just as a
woman being feminine or as a man trying to be
masculine is rebellious in our culture. It's kind of crazy
Speaker 1 (23:19):
that's the definition of rebellion, rebel away, my friends. Um,
so last question I have for you, um, because Sarah,
in your 4 years in college and even before you've
experienced so much you have.
Singing 130,000 followers on X and then you have this
Instagram account with 70,000 people and we'll give you a chance.
What are your handles, by the way, for those that
(23:39):
are listening for for those? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (23:41):
it's just
Sarah C on both X and on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Awesome. So if you want to follow Sarah, you can
do that.
Um, but what encouragement do you want to leave with
our listeners who are either parents of Gen Z, or
Gen Alpha, um, that is with all the evil things
that you mentioned in the world, see, you already mentioned it,
and that's just being realistic. Where do you think that
our hope can be found, uh, I mean, I'm just
frame it, but with first.
And Jesus, but secondly, in the direction, and you kind
(24:07):
of already mentioned this, um, that can be found and
prayed through what, what hope would you leave with your
generation and parents of Gen Z and Gen Alpha and
even grandparents in light of this moral decay that we've
already identified in the darkness that just keeps keeps coming and, um,
and in light of the example Charlie Kirk left us,
his legacy, if you will, um,
(24:30):
How can you give hope to your generation and then
how can we pray proactively for you and your peers, um, as,
as we wrap this up here?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, I think the hope is, like you said, is
that Gen Z is looking for the truth and um
and I think a lot of Gen Z is very
passionate about that too. So it's not something that's just
You know, it's not, it's not like they're just like vaguely, oh,
I kind of want to know what's going on, like
Gen Z is driving full force, trying to find out
what the truth is, searching for God, searching for tradition,
(25:03):
for family, all these things that are really important and
trying to revive that. And so I think there's a
lot of hope to be found of that and you
know we saw this with the memorial this past weekend,
we saw Erica Kirk.
It was a national moment for Gay for Husband's killer,
and we saw, I think we're seeing a little bit
of a revival. I don't know if that means necessarily
(25:25):
fully a spiritual revival, but I think it's just inspired
a lot of people to try to, you know, chase
after the mission that God placed in their hearts. And
so I think there's just a lot of hope in
that if we see
Just even 100 people try to follow the lead of
Charlie Kirk. That doesn't necessarily even mean going into politics,
but live life to the fullest. We could have thousands
(25:46):
more Charlie Kirks that are trying to live their life.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Just live for God, right? How can we pray for
you guys just as people are listening? How can they
just pray for your generation in a few words because
we're just gonna wrap it up here in a few.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I think just pray for us that we will
have the courage and that also we'll we'll stay on
track and um you know, just have Christ as our
foundation and nothing else.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, thank you, Sarah Stock for joining us on Kingdom
and Culture and uh we will be praying for your generation,
for Gen Z and Gen Alpha, and may God continue
to move in our time. May the light shine through
the darkness and may he use you and your generation
to bring new hope and new life to not just
American culture, but the world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Thank you.
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