06 Sep 2025

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S1 (00:25):
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to be here. Thank you so much for making time

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to tune in this program coming to you from Ghana land.
Come to you very shortly. We'll speak to your class. McCarthy, Grogan, CJ,
talking about the National Wheelchair Club Championships. They wrapped up
last week. How did it go? Well, they catch up with, uh,
Trevor Jarrett from, uh, the Novita Wheelchair AFL League. They
had their grand final last week. And also a big

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night during the week, which Trevor will tell us about.
We'll catch up with Tegan Henderson from steps the Sky
raising money and awareness for childhood dementia. David Mitchell will
join us. His topic today is The Prostate. We'll find
out much more about that. We'll also catch up with
Belinda Hellyer from Brew by Belinda The Brew. That is true,
but just talk about Korean tea. Look forward to that.

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We'll catch up with Abigail Boyd, who's a member in
the New South Wales Parliament for the Greens, with a
special interest in the disability sector. Abigail has lived experience
of disability, so I look forward to catching up with Abigail.
We'll also speak to Kellie Schultz from noble. Me looking
at some really interesting, results as far as a couple

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of big companies go in making apps more accessible. A
success story. We'd love to share that. And Jacqueline Thatcher
Brady will join us from entertainment. You may remember the
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use if you were downloaded. At the moment you help yourself,
you help Vision Australia and you help businesses. A three

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way win. That's all coming up here on Leisure Link. Well,
the National Wheelchair Championships have concluded that they did last weekend,
and the winners in the men's division was the Darwin
Psaltis and the star of the team, C.J McCarthy. Grogan

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joins us. I got to catch up again and congratulations.

S2 (02:58):
Yeah. Thanks, Peter. It's, um. Yeah, it's still quite surreal
and trying to let it sink in at the moment, but, um,
just been a crazy few days and. Yeah, still, still
can't believe it. Really?

S1 (03:07):
You had a pretty good season as a team, didn't you?

S2 (03:09):
Yeah. Look, we had, uh, in the regular season, our
record was 17 wins and one loss. So the one
loss was to the Wollongong Roller Hawks. Um, you play,
you play a three game series against every team, and
there's there's seven teams. So we lost the second game
of the series at the start of the season to
Wollongong here in Darwin. I think after that it was

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16 straight.

S1 (03:30):
What do you put it down to? Apart from the
fact you're in the team?

S2 (03:32):
I think just knowing that done our best to try
and build a good culture within the club. And when
we first looked at what players do we want. It
wasn't actually about, you know, what players do we want
in terms of just being able to win on the court.
It was more about, well, we actually want to set
the standard of actually having good people and with great
attitudes and just positive people. And, um, and then that

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helps translate everything on court and, and vice versa. Then,
you know, you start to build a great club, uh,
great culture off the court. But then on the court,
you know, it started off a bit rough in our
first year in 2022. Um, but from there onwards, I
knew that we could we could only just keep improving. And, um, and,
you know, the following year, in 2023, we won the
national championship, uh, in Brisbane. And then last year, the

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first year of the National League being back, uh, we
won that in Wollongong. And uh, and then this year
we won it down at manly when they hosted. So,
you know, each year we've definitely improved each year. But, um,
I still think there's still a lot more to do.

S1 (04:28):
What about as far as, um, the support from the
people in Darwin? You talked about playing a game in
Darwin or playing some games in Darwin. What's that been like?
So I guess it'd be good to have that sort
of support from, you know, the local community.

S2 (04:40):
Oh, look, it's been tremendous. You know, like we we
wouldn't be where we are without all the people supporting
us and our families, our friends, the whole the whole community,
but especially those, uh, you know, going to, you know,
credit credit to Kerry Savage and credit, um, and Trudy Duncan,
you know, they're the they're the main three behind the
scenes that have done so much for us to be
able to get us up and running, so to speak. Um, and,

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and without their constant love and support, we we definitely
wouldn't be here today, and I'm just so grateful for it.
I mean, you know, we're I'm Tom and I, we
we came back a few years ago because of Covid, and, um,
we saw how much people loved wheelchair basketball in Darwin.
We had a team Tom versus team CJ. And, uh,
it really grew interest from there onwards. And I think
that's where Kerry, Kerry, truly and critica noticed how many

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people were really inspired by that one particular game. And, uh,
Tom and I just decided, hey, like, you know, why
can't we get a Darwin team? You know, he was
living in Spain at the moment at that time, and
I was living in the US at college, and I'd
always played for Sydney, and he was coming from Brisbane
playing for them. And we just got to that point,
I think in our lives and our career that, hey,
why can't we get a Darwin team? Because we're all

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so tired of living interstate and having to travel home
and visit for a holiday. We we also wanted to
play together and and no better feeling than being able
to play with one of your best mates from your
own hometown and, um, and to be able to win,
you know, one championship, let alone a couple, a few. Yeah.

S1 (06:00):
Yeah. Of course, we're talking about as well an Aussie
roller too. So it's That's fantastic. Well, what about in
terms of, I guess, the bigger picture? C.J., you know,
the kind of message that it spreads to the community about,
you know, what people with disabilities can do, you know?
Is that something that you're sort of terracing as well?

S2 (06:17):
Oh, 100%. You know, we we did it because we
knew how hard it was for us as kids growing
up trying to play a team sport with a physical disability. Um,
and we're just trying to help give back to the
community and showcase, hey, you know, this is what people
with disability can do. You know, focus on what you
can do rather than what you can't. And and that's
what that's what we've always been trying to advocate is
life will, you know, give you a few curve balls

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here and there. You know, it's not easy for everybody,
but we've just got some, um, obvious our disability is
quite obvious being physical ones. But, you know, everyone's going
to go through some hardship at some point in their life. And, um,
and we're just trying to help inspire the next generation because,
you know, we just knew, like I said, we knew
how hard it was to get to where we are today.
And we wanted to try and allow others who either

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might be born with a disability or acquire it later
in life to show them, hey, they don't need to
go past the. We did interstate. They've got a team
now to be able to play wheelchair basketball. But in
saying that, you know, I'm also very proud of the
fact that, um, because we've been quite successful in, you know,
promoting the sport and, um, and advocating for people with disability,

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it's also opened up other opportunities to, uh, other sporting
codes in the territory to almost kind of piggyback off us, um,
in terms of wheelchair AFL in the territory there. They've,
they've started up it's still still a lot to do, um,
in that space. And also wheelchair rugby league, um, have,
have come up over the last few years. So you know,

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I think I think not only our sport has it
been successful, it's also allowed other opportunities for, um, other
sporting codes. And that's all I've always wanted is just
to allow others to see that if they've got options
at the very basic grassroot level, then anything is possible,
because never would I have thought I'd be where I
am today, um, because of basketball. But I'm very grateful

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for it. And I just, you know, I always want
to help leave a place better than I found it.
So that's. That's what Tom and I have always tried
to do throughout our lives. And, um. Yeah. And there's still,
like I said, there's still a lot to do, uh,
in that space. But so far, it's just been beautiful
to see how much the program has grown for us
as wheelchair basketballers and and just for sports in general

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in the territory when it comes to people with disability.

S1 (08:22):
Well well spoken. I think we had a quick chat
before coming to where the Salty's. I reckon that's the
best name team in the competition. Who came up with that?

S2 (08:30):
Uh, look, it came down to a, um, to a
community decision from memory. Um, it was going back. Must
have been four years ago now, I think, or before
we actually were in the league. Um, we we, you know,
fell under the banner of the Darwin Salty's, um, nbl1
men and women's team. Um, unfortunately, unfortunately, that that didn't
exist at the moment, but, um, yeah, we we fell

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under the same banner in terms of the name. So that's,
that's where it came down to. The community pretty much
made that decision. And, um, it's been a real iconic
sort of name. Um, you know, Darwin Saltings, I think, um,
that self explained as it is and yeah, it's I love,
I love, I love the name myself. So yeah.

S1 (09:09):
Yeah. Well, I guess when, when you're winning, it always
sounds a bit better doesn't it.

S2 (09:13):
Oh yeah, it definitely does. It definitely does. And, um,
you know, you always, you always want to win, but
at the same time, you always you try to enjoy
the journey as well. You know, regardless of I was
actually pretty nervous going into Sunday's game. Um, because it's,
it's hard to win a championship, uh, let alone 2
or 3 straight, you know? So it's it's just. Yeah,
it's just one of those things where, you know, the

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nerves still kick in as as long as I've been playing,
it's still, you know, the butterflies are still there come
Sunday morning, but, um. Yeah. Grateful for it that we
came out on top.

S1 (09:42):
I think that means you want to win. That means
you want to do well. It's got to be a
good thing. And a big shout out to the Sydney
Blues for winning the women's competition.

S2 (09:50):
Oh, I was, I was I was just as stoked
for them as well because, you know, I played for
the Sydney Blues men for years, um, living there and Troy,
Troy Sachs was my old coach as well, and he's
been a mentor of mine and his family to me
and that Blues team, his family. So to see, to
see the women get up in the game before us,
I was over the moon. I think I was I
was just as happy as they were. Um, just because

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I know, I know how much work has been put
in over the years, you know, being on that Blues
men's team, um, under Troy Sachs and, um, and just
to see him him succeed and also see our team
succeed and nothing just made me happier on on Sunday.

S1 (10:27):
A bit of a trailblazer. Troy goes back a long,
long way.

S2 (10:30):
Oh, 100%. He's he's he's he's definitely been a trailblazer. And, um,
I'm just very grateful to have always had him in
my corner. And he's backed me all the way, um,
on the court, off the court. And I think it's
helped me become the person I am today, especially as, um,
as as an athlete, but also as a leader.

S1 (10:46):
Well, I think he can pick good talent. So it's
a good, good thing for you to have happened to you.
So CJ, congratulations again to you and the team and
or the whole, uh, corporate entity if you like the
day when soldiers are taking up the national championships, I'm
sure it won't be too long before we speak again.
Enjoy the moment. I know there's plenty more wheelchair basketball
coming up, so as I say, it won't be too

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long before we catch up again.

S2 (11:09):
No, thank you very much, Peter. And again, I just
want to say a big thank you to everyone that
got behind us. All the supporters, family, friends, sponsors. Um,
we definitely wouldn't be where we are today without you.
And we definitely feel the love and and the support
and just know that we love everyone very much as well, especially. Yeah.

S1 (11:26):
Okay. You should go into politics. Not not not yet. But,
you know, down the track when you, uh, had enough
of sport, I think you'd make a tremendous, uh, representative
of the of the local people.

S2 (11:37):
Well, thank you very much.

S1 (11:38):
That's an idea. Just an idea to toss around, that's all.

S2 (11:42):
Well, I well, I did, uh, I did, uh, put
my hand up for local council. Uh, yeah. So just recently, um, unfortunately,
it didn't it didn't work out, uh, for me, but, um,
I think I definitely learned a lot from the experience. Um,
I did enter the race quite late, so I knew
it was going to be a tough task to achieve,
but I had a lot of fun nonetheless. And um,

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who knows, we'll give it another four years and we'll
see where I'm at in life then. But, um, yeah,
in terms of the, the, I guess going higher there,
that means I would have to retire from basketball and
I'm just not ready to do so.

S1 (12:13):
Oh no no no I'm talking I'm talking long term
CJ long term 2040 2050, 2060 something like that. You've
still got plenty of time to offer.

S2 (12:22):
Oh yes. Yes. No definitely basketball still still the main
goal for me.

S1 (12:26):
Alright good to catch up CJ.

S2 (12:28):
Thanks Peter.

S1 (12:29):
Well that's the person isn't it. That's the Clarence McCarthy
Grogan CJ a member of the salty two which took
out the national championships. And I'll tell you what he
had a crack at local politics. I think high runners
could betray him. What? A person with an incredible attitude
and so, so articulate. On the weekend, the Nevada Wheelchair

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AFL League had their grand final and also during the week,
a big announcement regarding their best player for the season.
Let's chat to the person Trevor Jarrett. Trevor, great to
meet you and thanks for your time and congratulations.

S3 (13:08):
Thank you very much, Peter. It's nice to be with you.

S1 (13:11):
So you're kind of no strangers to winning premiership?

S3 (13:13):
No. We, uh, we went back to back on Friday
night defeating Norwood. It was good, very enjoyable. And it
was what we were aiming for at the beginning of
the season.

S1 (13:21):
How was the season for you? Because there's four teams
in the comp, isn't there?

S3 (13:24):
Yeah, four teams West Adelaide, Central Norwood and obviously Woodville-west Torrens.

S1 (13:28):
And how was your form during the season as a team?

S3 (13:30):
We had a forfeit the first game. Unfortunately we couldn't
get under the 16 point cap on court, so we
had to forfeit the rest of the season. It went
to plan for us the rest of the season, so
that's what we were aiming for was just not to
necessarily win every game, but make that grand final and
then try and win that back to back.

S1 (13:46):
Could explain a bit about the point system and how
come you had to forfeit?

S3 (13:50):
Well, the point system, you can only have 16 points
total of 16 points. So you've got five players on
the ground or on the court in disability sport, a
one being the worst disability, up to five, which is
almost able bodied. So you can have five on the court,
but they must all accumulate to 16 or under. That's
the hard part because we were missing some of our

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lower pointers, our threes and our one. We could not
meet that criteria that 16 and under we could only
get to 18. So therefore we had to forfeit.

S1 (14:18):
Okay that's an interesting rule. I guess it kind of
makes it fair for everyone. And also the other thing
is it probably gives those lower point players a chance
to play the sport. I mean, you don't want it
dominated by those high pointers.

S3 (14:29):
No you don't you don't want five five pointers on
the ground. And that's correct Peter. And it gives everybody
the opportunity no matter what their disability is, to participate.
Even able bodied can participate in there are a number
of five point size in the system. That play just
makes those rotations a bit more difficult, that's all.

S1 (14:46):
What about your involvement? How did that come about?

S3 (14:48):
Trevor came about. I was playing wheelchair Basketball knew that
there was a wheelchair football happening, but it was only
at a, um, a state level. We didn't have any
teams playing on a regular basis. The NFL then decided
they would have a come and try that put you
through a few tests. Agility tests for each test, speed
and those sorts of things. And then you go into

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a pool. And that pool was then divided into those
four groups, which was then at that stage was Stuart
Norwood and Woodville-west Torrens. I ended up at Woodville-west Torrens.
I didn't really mind where I ended up, I just
wanted to give it a go.

S1 (15:21):
Now, I guess from, uh, guy's point of view, we've
chatted about in the past with people like Nathan Pepper,
the fact that you played basketball, does that help with football?
Because I guess it's called football or AFL Aussie Rules,
but it isn't that extent of the game where you're
kicking the ball as such.

S3 (15:36):
Where it does help Peter is basketball is chair skills.
You can sit in a chair, but it doesn't necessarily
mean you're going to have the nous or the smarts
to move that chair around and get that in position.
So that's where a lot of basketball training or a
lot of the guys have come from basketball backgrounds. They've
already got those skills and that comes from basically basketball.

S1 (15:54):
Now we've talked about the season, the fact that Woodville-west
Torrens went back to back. I think one of the
great things that I was speaking to people like Nathan
is that the SANFL have been really inclusive and sort
of embracing of Aussie Rules or football for all abilities,
and particularly in this league. You were kind of part
of the Magarey Medal night the other night.

S3 (16:15):
That was pretty special. Peter. Yeah, this is my second
time I went last year, but not as a medal.
Hope I just went as a basically a plus one
with one of the guys this year. I was I
was in top three but honestly didn't really think that
I'd win. I thought I'd go there, have a great
night and it'll be good. Just so happened that I
got it, which was I was in a bit of shock,
I think.

S1 (16:33):
So we'll chat about your season in a minute, but
how cool is that? You know, the the the the
premiere night for AFL football includes the NAB League as well.
I mean, that is so inclusive and such a great
thing as far as raising awareness about the sport and
the opportunities.

S3 (16:49):
I think that's the whole issue is raising the issue
that everybody can play. A lot of people don't even
know it exists.

S1 (16:55):
Yeah.

S3 (16:55):
To get it out on stage like that and people go, oh,
wheelchair football. Wow. Look at that. I've had friends come
out to the grand final on Friday night, and they
just went away and said, gee, that's a really, really
great game to watch. And it's open to everybody. Ages
no limit. It's just if you're prepared to have a go.

S1 (17:10):
Fantastic. Now talk to me about your season, Trevor. It
was okay. I'll tell you what. I don't know if
you have betting on it, but looking at your stats,
you would have been hot favourite if there were any
bookmakers out there?

S3 (17:21):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I certainly wasn't hot
favourite in my eyes. I thought the other two Adam
from obviously our clubs, our midfielder, he won it last
year and I thought that he would have taken that again,
probably followed by Jamie Smyth from Norwood, who also had
a very good season. You know, I always say, look,
all I have to do is to get that ball

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through those goals. It's all the work that comes from
out of the centre or in defence, down to the
forwards where it makes a difference. Those guys do a really,
really lot of work, get that ball into us in
some sort of system. And then, like I say, my
other forward partners, Steve, Steve, Edge, all we have to do, Steve,
is get that ball through those posts.

S1 (17:58):
Well, Trev, you're speaking very much like a non-traditional forward.
Normally they're pretty goal hungry and selfish. You seem to
team oriented.

S3 (18:06):
I'm happy to give them off. Peter I don't really mind.

S1 (18:08):
Who.

S3 (18:09):
Goals. As long as we get the goals on the
board and as long as we get the win at
the end of the game, that's the most important thing.
And it was the same with the Premiership. We spoke
about the 100 goal mark a week prior to the
grand final. I didn't even know where I was to
be honest with you, brought to my attention by our
team manager and he said, you need another 13 in
the last game to get you 100. Oh, I didn't
think I was that far up. And I was just

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lucky that I was on that night and couldn't seem
to miss. And that's it. It came up just after
half time. I was quite proud that I'd got it,
but like I said, it comes from a lot of
hard work from the rest of the guys.

S1 (18:42):
You finished on 110, didn't you?

S3 (18:44):
I scored 110 in the regular season and I got
in the grand final. So 121 for the season? Yeah.

S1 (18:50):
Didn't you kick 23 goals in one game during the year?

S3 (18:53):
Yeah. Round nine against central. Uh, 23 straight. Oh, jeez.
That's the night I could not miss. Just get going
through the centre. I've had a good season in regards
to accuracy, and so was Steve Edge. He's been very accurate.
I think I've got 100 and 121, 21. I think
it was in the 23 in 1 game, which the
standing record for for a game total. Then of course

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11 in the grand final. So 35 shots in two
games and got 34. That's pretty good. I think that's
what you need as a forward. You need to finish
off the good work from the guys that are bringing
it down. Do you want to keep missing?

S1 (19:27):
Fantastic. Being the Magarey Medal night with the glitz and
the fact that, you know, it's under the bright lights
for the Sanford, that that must have been an enormous thrill.

S3 (19:34):
Yeah. And it was even last year just being a
spectator was I'd never been to one before. That was
just fantastic. It just capped off a really, really good season, Peter.
And like I said, it's not what we play the
game for. We play that game to win that premiership
for the club. These things come along well. That's nice.
I'm very, very proud and humbled to have won that
because I was in pretty good company with Adam and
Jamie Smyth.

S1 (19:53):
Terrific. Well Trevor, congratulations to you. And I know the club,
the Woodville-west Torrens Club have been very inclusive. We've spoken
about it over the years. They've really welcomed and embraced
the athletes that play AFL wheelchair sports. So they deserve
the success and enjoy the moment and you got to
butter up again next year. Trev, you're probably holding out
for a higher contract.

S3 (20:14):
Yeah, I might go for a contract. I intend to
saddle up again next season. I don't know if you know,
but I'm getting a little bit on in years though.

S1 (20:21):
No such thing. No such thing.

S3 (20:23):
It's been a long season. We started pre-season at the
end of February and didn't actually start until I think
it was the end of June was a long pre-season
start to the season, was pushed forward because we had
a very long season, and I think my body's telling
me to have a bit of a rest. We do
have state coming up and I'm hoping to make that.

S1 (20:41):
The AFL Inclusion League carnival.

S3 (20:43):
Yeah, that'd be a good way to finish the year off.

S1 (20:46):
Trevor. Enjoy it. It's been great catching up. Well done.

S3 (20:48):
Thank you very much for your time, Peter. Can I
just thank all my team mates while I'm here? Like
I said, none of this would be possible without without
my teammates and also the Woodville-west Torrens Football Club.

S1 (20:58):
Well said. Good on you, Trev.

S3 (20:59):
Thank you very much for your time, Peter. Lovely to
talk to you.

S1 (21:02):
Trevor out there, the best and fairest winner for the year.
I think we can understand why. And also a member
of the Woodville-west Torrens Eagles, winner of this year's Divita
AFL wheelchair SANFL competition. You're in elite company listening to
Leslie here on Vision Australia Radio, VA radio, digital VA

(21:23):
radio and through the TuneIn radio app. All really enjoyed
over the last few years catching up with Tegan Henderson,
who stood up steps for Sky, raising awareness for Sanfilippo
and childhood dementia. Tegan's on the line Tegan. Kagan. Welcome.

S4 (21:41):
Thanks for having me.

S1 (21:42):
Yeah. August is your big month, so August is over.
How are you going?

S4 (21:46):
Yeah. Good. I'm very tired after August. That's for sure.
But it was all for a good cause.

S1 (21:51):
That's not how it all went. And the upshot of it.

S4 (21:53):
All, it went really well. We ended up raising $20,716.

S5 (21:59):
Oh. Well done.

S4 (22:00):
Yeah. Amazing. Over the six years, it's now up to 132,000.

S1 (22:05):
Okay.

S4 (22:05):
Amazing.

S1 (22:06):
That's very impressive. Of course. I think you set a
target of 20, so you beat your target.

S4 (22:10):
Yes, we did. Actually, our first target. I had a $5,000,
so we couldn't believe it.

S1 (22:16):
Yeah, well, of course it's in August. It's always in August.
And I guess one of the challenging things is the weather.
But I guess that kind of makes it more worthwhile.
Or you're testing people's determination.

S4 (22:26):
Yeah, absolutely. It's probably the coldest month here in Ballarat,
but we got through it, that's for sure.

S5 (22:31):
And what about the community support?

S1 (22:33):
But how did that go? You still got people from
all over Australia taking part.

S4 (22:36):
Yeah it was amazing. We actually had 108 people signed up. Yeah, yeah,
which was a huge amount all over Victoria, which was awesome.
A few interstate as well. So we actually had a
team in New South Wales from a school that had
a student that had childhood dementia, which was awesome. Yeah.

S1 (22:53):
Well, that is really powerful, isn't it? And of course,
for those people who might have missed out chats in
the past, you got to sort of aim for 15,000
steps a day. I mean, people talk about doing ten,
but you go you go 50% more.

S4 (23:04):
15,000 a day and a lot of steps, that's for sure.

S1 (23:09):
Okay, now for those that might have missed in the past,
you obviously got a very close association with childhood dementia. Dementia,
and therefore you've been touched enough to have moved enough
to do something about it.

S4 (23:20):
Yeah, definitely. I look after a guy who has Sanfilippo syndrome,
which is a form of childhood dementia. And for the
past six years I've been raising money for her and
everyone else affected. It's been a good six years, that's
for sure. But I've known Sky for nearly 11 years. Really?

S1 (23:37):
It's interesting you say that because I've noticed we've been
chatting here for the 5 or 6 years that you've
been doing, which is great. And before speaking to you,
I must admit I knew very little about it. And
it's one of those things when you hear about it,
all of a sudden you seem to notice it more.
Was it the same for you?

S4 (23:51):
Yeah, absolutely. At the start, I feel like no one
knew about it, or anyone I spoke to had no
idea what I was talking about. And now I feel
like all my friends know all my family, all my community,
basically know exactly what I'm talking about.

S1 (24:05):
And again, for those that might have missed it, I mean,
I guess we kind of know about dementia in older people,
but it's so tragic when it strikes someone so, so young.

S4 (24:13):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Very young.

S1 (24:15):
And what about in terms of the impact and the
deterioration that you see in a person's health and their
general wellbeing?

S4 (24:21):
Yeah, it's very sad to say. When I first met Sky,
she was talking. She was eating by herself. We would
play lots of games. She was running around a lot.
And now she has a lot of assistants. So we
feed her, barely run. She still does a lot of steps,
But no running up for sure. And yeah, a lot
of assistance now.

S1 (24:40):
Yeah. And I guess that's where um, research hopefully will help.
And maybe, you know, people like Skye might not benefit
necessarily today, but I guess it's also for a bit
of hope for, for people in the future.

S4 (24:51):
Yeah, exactly. Definitely for anyone in the future, that's for sure.

S1 (24:54):
And I guess that for Skye's family, you, you very
kindly and professionally help out. But I guess for a
family who are so close to that, that would be
a pretty tough thing to be going through.

S4 (25:04):
It's it's definitely a family and my family as well.
And Skye's community, that's definitely affects us all.

S1 (25:11):
Do you know much about what's going on in the
area of research? Because you you donate your money to research,
is that right?

S4 (25:16):
Yeah I do. I don't know too much. There's always
things popping up at Childhood Dementia Initiative are posting about.
Not sure exactly right now what's happening.

S1 (25:25):
Well, I guess there's so many breakthroughs and all sorts
of areas like stem cell and and genetic research that,
you know, you kind of hope that somewhere that magic
bullet might be found. I guess also, we hear these
days a lot about AI and the role that it
can find in medical, uh, developments and, and medical research
that again, that might be just be something that could
add to it all.

S4 (25:43):
Yeah, exactly. Hopefully. That's for sure.

S1 (25:46):
What about the local community? You talked about people getting
involved with the, uh, walking. What about as far as, uh,
just in general terms, to be supportive?

S4 (25:53):
Community has been supportive, especially like sky's classroom at school
and all their friends and families have been really supportive.
Our local radio station as well had me on air
one day, so they were really supportive as well, which
was awesome. And sky's dad works at a local school
and they've been amazing, so amazing. And they had a
lot of students sign up this year as well.

S1 (26:13):
Did you say you speak to other radio stations?

S4 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry.

S1 (26:18):
Oh that's great. There's got to be the awareness raising,
doesn't it? Because if, uh, you know, the more people
that know about it, hopefully, uh, that that next dollar
might be the dollar that makes a little difference. So
it's it's on in August. We're into September now of course.
Can people still donate if they feel so moved to
do so?

S4 (26:32):
Yes they can. The sign up link is still up. People.
Google steps to Sky Childhood dementia initiative. It'll pop up
and there's a donation button on there.

S1 (26:41):
We'll chase that up and we'll put that up on
our show notes as well. So, uh, have a bit
of a rest and then, uh, on again next year.

S4 (26:48):
Yep. We'll be back next year.

S1 (26:49):
Alright. So what are you up to overall?

S4 (26:51):
132,000.

S1 (26:53):
Alright. We gotta go way past 150 next year, don't you?
25,000 is your target, I reckon.

S6 (26:59):
Yeah. We'll see, we'll see.

S1 (27:01):
Easy for me to say. I take a bow down
and I really appreciate you speaking to us. And congratulations
on the initiative for a young person to do something
about it. That's a really powerful thing. So well done.

S4 (27:10):
Thanks so much and thank you for your support as well.

S1 (27:13):
And well done to everyone who got involved. That's a ticket, Henderson.
They're raising money for childhood dementia. And her steps the sky.
We'll put those details up with our show notes, but
certainly very, very worthy. And well over 130,000. A tremendous result.

S7 (27:28):
Hi. I'm Ben Choi, Australia's chef de mission for the
2026 Winter Paralympic Games in Cortina, and you're listening to
leisure link with Peter Greco on the Vision Australia radio network.

S1 (27:53):
Let's catch up with a health commentator. And this time
each month, David Mitchell. David, welcome.

S8 (27:58):
Hi. Hello, Peter. Hello, everyone.

S1 (28:00):
David. Neymar three three from John. John, who wants to
know a little bit about prostate cancer. But I think
the question is probably a bit too detailed and too
complex for a ten minute interview. So maybe we can
do um, shortened version of it. And also you're going
to send through some information we can pass on to
anyone who's interested. Just send me an email and we'll
forward on David's details.

S8 (28:21):
Great. No. That's fantastic. The couple of articles are really easy,
easy to read and understand and break it down into sets.
And also it has all the big long words of
hormones that we're going to be talking about in abbreviated form.
They have it in a long form because the prostates
the old man's disease. Um, it's it's a it's a

(28:42):
useful organ that that sits at the base of the bladder. Uh,
the tube runs through it, which is the urethra, takes
the urine out, but it also picks up mucus that, uh,
helps lubricate the little, little squirmy worms we call sperm, um,
so that they become even more enlivened and active and
can do all sorts of things. But at the time,

(29:03):
it tends to. The prostate has a tendency to grow.
When it grows, it doesn't sort of expand upwards. It
expands inwards, squeezing the tube through which the urine and
the and the mucus runs. And so men will often notice,
as they get a little bit older, that it takes
a while to start to have a wee, or they

(29:24):
no longer pass the 900ml, uh, peeing test, uh, so
that it just has a small stream that barely gets
outside the pants. Um, there's lots of there can be
a lot of dribbling at the end, uh, and it
can take forever. Forever to go. These are the signs
that the prostate is growing, and it is worth they

(29:45):
a male, going to have a check. At one level,
it can be just that. There is just this gradual
change in the size of the prostate. But the second
it can be an early indicator that there is it
is turning cancerous and it turns cancerous because the prostate
is basically driven by testosterone. Testosterone is the male hormone,

(30:06):
and it's the male equivalent of estrogen and females. And
testosterone relies on the stimulus coming from the hypothalamus in
the brain, which talks to the pituitary, which sends out
some hormone hormonal signals to the prostate to start or
enter the process. Enter the testicles, I should say, to
produce Testosterone and the bad testosterone. I call it the

(30:30):
bad testosterone. It's DHT or dihydrotestosterone. DHT is a rival,
bad testosterone, and that it can cause acne. It can
cause baldness. It can cause grumpiness and aggression, and it
can cause growth of the prostate cells and feed any
cancerous prostate cells that come along. So in the end,

(30:53):
if the prostate is growing, you need to go and
see the doc. If you've got those symptoms, you go
and see the doctor and he will. He will normally say, right.
He or she I should say we'd normally say, right. Well,
you need a test called PSA prostate specific antigen blood test,
which can which goes up as the prostate becomes overactive

(31:14):
or grows, or if prostate cancer is present. So it's
used as one of the markers. Secondly, the doc will
probably offer to put the finger up the bum, which
is not a very nice procedure, but in it is
easy to feel the prostate from the inside of the
rectum than it is from just trying to poke around
anywhere else. However, if the doc doesn't do a lot

(31:36):
of this, it's easy to say, right? Well, number one,
can I go and have an ultrasound which can show
up the size of the Mustang? And two, can I
referral to a urologist, which is a kidney, bladder and
prostate specialist who can do that test and go beyond.
If they do notice that the PSA is going up

(31:56):
and or that the size of the of the prostate
is getting bigger, then they will normally suggest a biopsy
to see whether they can find any cancer cells. So
they can put a little needle in and poke around
and pull out little bits in different directions to see
if it is there. Now, the thing about prostate cancer
is it is very slow growing, and many a male

(32:19):
has died from other causes before they die of prostate
Start Kansas, so it is not a death sentence straight away.
It is slow growing and it's important to know, but
it is. It is one that needs to be checked
regularly by the doctors, and they will still be looking
at the changes in these things, particularly the change in

(32:39):
the PSA test and or if the size the treatments
are obviously to stop testosterone and dihydrotestosterone and every male
also because that means that I'm not going to I'm
not going to be as, as good a male or
as as as tougher or stronger or as powerful or

(33:00):
as clear thinking, or as rational or being motivated to
get up and go and or my muscles going to
get weaker, and I'm going to get bone problems and
aches and pains and so on. Yeah, that can happen.
Each of those things can be part of it. But
if you've got the cancer, then you really are put
into several categories. And the first one is, is just

(33:24):
a frequent observation or frequent surveillance or monitoring in that
probably every six months that you have a PSA and
possibly the finger test. And if there's any change, then
you'll move on to a referral to an oncologist and
start more biopsies and so on. If it does advance,
then what's what you're up for is, is a several

(33:45):
choices of chemicals that will stop you making testosterone. Some
of them will work on the hypothalamus in the brain
where the whole thing starts. Or it can be based
on the pituitary gland, or it can be based down
at the the local cellular level. And each of those,
when they start means that suddenly you will stop making

(34:07):
most of your testosterone, not completely because they're not that effective,
but they they are the part of the start of
hormone therapy for cancer prevention. Uh, each each of them
is either rejectable, or is a tablet, or sometimes a
little pillar that's buried under the skin that's slowly absorbed
over x number of months. They had their own side effects,

(34:30):
and you need to discuss that with the doctor or
with your prostate specialist to see how you can work
through it. But once you've started, you can continue it,
usually for years and years and years. But you can
stop it. If you stop it, then you can go
back and recover some of the of the things that
you've been missing, like erections and motivation and drive and

(34:53):
libido and muscle strength and bone, bone power or bone strength,
all of those things can slowly recur. But you then
run the risk of, why am I taking? I'm taking
what I'm trying to stop a cancer. So I want
to substitute. Can I have is one thing that seems
to work to be considered as part of all of this.
I might add that this is the medical side, but

(35:15):
there in all of this and these, these highfalutin chemicals
is also part of stopping, well, not stopping, but avoiding
or preventing or delaying the removal of the testicles. Because
if you take the testicles out, 95% or more of
your production of testosterone will stop. It just won't be there.

(35:36):
So it's chemicals and then it's then it's what they
call an orchidectomy to take them out, and then it
gets into more highfaluting things along the way. There's a
fascinating article, articles rising in the last 5 or 6
years about vitamin D, because guess what? Vitamin D is
now coming in that it's a relative insufficiency. And that

(35:59):
word's important rather than deficiency. Its insufficiency is now being
incriminated as part of the development of prostate cancer, because
the vitamin D and its and its breakdown chemicals that
have come from the molecule of vitamin D and stimulate
growth of cancer prostate cancer cells. So increasing your vitamin

(36:24):
D levels can make a huge difference. Now we get
vitamin D from the sun. But the problem with that
is that particularly in South Australia, it's cold in winter
and we rug up and we don't put our skin
outside to be irradiated by the sun, as it were, because,
number one, the sun's not out there. Number two, it's
too cold. Number three, that we're wearing long protective things.

(36:45):
So we think that we'll make sure by the summer.
But it doesn't last. So we need to very sensibly
look at it. And guess what? There is now a
wonderful what they call a gummy. And we've mentioned that
word in a few of our talks. A gummy is
a lolly basically with a chemical in it, and in

(37:05):
this case, vitamin D, and they've found that there is
one that has 50,000 units. Now that 50,000 international units
of vitamin D is equivalent to about one milligram. So
it's about a fifth of a teaspoon. So it's not
a big deal. They just use big numbers because it's impressive.
The vitamin D gummy is 50,000 units. You take one
a week one a week for the rest of your life.

(37:27):
And you ought to be thinking that if you're starting
to get older and you're starting to get those urinary
changes that I mentioned earlier, and or there's any family
history because there are some genetic and genes that can
be part of it. The, um, in knowing that taking
this as a preventative vitamin D can also make you

(37:48):
feel a bit brighter and more you a little bit
more get up and go a little bit better immune system.
But one gummy a week now there is one crowd
on eBay that's got the a particular gummy this once
a week and it's it's $19.10 for 60 pills. So
you got a year's supply or just over a year

(38:08):
supply for 19 bucks, which has a definite preventative effect
on to developing prostate cancer. Now, one can never say
it's going to be 100%, but it should be the
first and easy thing that you do. But it can
be continued and it can help in any treatment, including
these hormonal treatments and later on, the bigger, more complicated

(38:31):
ones they can. It can also help that develop at
the same time. And it turns off the growth of
the cancer cells within the prostate, or if it spreads
to other parts of it.

S1 (38:43):
We're at a time what is the name of that
vitamin D that you talk about? And then we might
do a part two next time to talk about some
other supplements that can help as well.

S8 (38:52):
Yeah. Right. So it's it's on eBay and the brand
name is balancer B a l I n c e
r vitamin D gummies, 50,000 international units.

S1 (39:05):
We'll leave it there. We'll put those details up on
our show notes. And people can also call us. And
also we can email that information that you've sent through. David.
Thanks that we'll catch up again next month.

S9 (39:15):
All right. Bye everyone.

S1 (39:16):
David Mitchell there. And a big thanks also to John
for your questions. Certainly, David giving us some great information.
So get in touch if you'd like to find out more.

S10 (39:25):
You're listening to Vision Australia Radio in Adelaide on 1190
7 a.m..

S1 (39:49):
Are wonderful Polly. Always reliable. Putting the kettle on so
we can speak to Belinda from Brood by Belinda the Brood.
That is true. You can find out Belinda at Brood
by Belinda. Com.au Linda great to catch up again.

S11 (40:02):
Hello Peter, lovely to chat now.

S1 (40:04):
Belinda, you were going to do something a few years
ago and then Covid interrupted. Tell us about this.

S11 (40:09):
Yes, I was, I was going to go to South
Korea on a tea tour supported by a wonderful organization
here in South Australia called the Food and Beverage Development Fund.
So they fund people working in the food and beverage
industry to kind of go and get more education in

(40:33):
their chosen field. So I've applied for a grant to
go to South Korea, and I received it, but I
was unable to go in 2020 or the following years
because of Covid and just things. So, uh, this year
it's happening in September and I'm so excited to be going.
It's run by Australian Tea Masters, which is the tea

(40:55):
organization that I've done all my training through. So yeah,
I am so excited.

S1 (41:01):
Okay. What does it involve? I mean, I guess we'll
hear about it when you come back, but what kind of, uh,
what kind of involved with it?

S11 (41:08):
Well, I guess what you would call it is just
like a complete immersion into the world of Korean tea.
So it's a week long experience. We are going to, uh,
attend a tea academy and do some learning there. We're
going to visit the World Expo, which is happening at

(41:29):
the time. And then there's a lot of sort of
events as part of that expo, including like tea ceremony
performances and different tea art contests and things. And then
we're actually going to be going to explore some like tea,
ceramics and making of beautiful Korean ceramic tea ware. And

(41:49):
from there, we're going to jump on a fast train
and head down to the southern kind of mountainous part
of the peninsula of South Korea, which is where most
of South Korea's tea is grown. And we're going to
visit three different tea growing regions. I can't wait for this.

(42:09):
Three very famous kind of tea growing regions. We're going
to get to actually pick and produce our own tea.
So I'll be able to pick the leaves and then
go through the whole kind of production process to make
my own tea. So yeah, amazing kind of experiences. Tea. Museums. Pottery.
Tea ceremony. Yes. It's going to be amazing.

S1 (42:32):
Now, we've been chatting to you for a while, and
I guess we talked about, you know, the sort of
origins in China. We've talked a lot about Japanese tea,
a little bit about Ceylon or Sri Lankan tea. Where
does Korea stand in all this? I'm imagining that they're
up there as well.

S11 (42:47):
Well, yeah. Um, South Korea's had an interesting history. It's
not a huge tea producing area, but the teas they
produce there are absolutely beautiful. But my understanding is that
tea seeds were brought to Korea from China in, like,
around 828 CE and planted, um, in the southern area,

(43:07):
and in the 16th century, however, when Japan invaded the country,
many of those tea fields were lost.

S1 (43:13):
Wow.

S11 (43:14):
So it's not until, you know, like in the 1960s,
I believe, that the interest in tea in the region
kind of revived and the tea fields were replanted. So
it kind of had a start many, many, many years ago.
And then, yeah, it's just kind of being revived, you know,
in the last 100 years.

S1 (43:34):
Yeah. Fascinating isn't it kind of the impact that wars or, um,
you know, conflicts like that can have on industries. And
I guess we don't think of tea maybe being one
of them. But obviously in an instance like this that
may have had an impact.

S11 (43:47):
Yeah, absolutely. I think that had a massive impact. And
although I believe that in later periods of that kind
of political turmoil, some monks and scholars did continue to
grow tea in small areas, kind of keeping it alive,
but not a big way until it was kind of
properly revived in the 1960s. So very interesting. But yeah,

(44:07):
most of the tea grown in South Korea is grown
in the southern mountainous areas, and most of the tea
produced there is green tea and very much picked aligned
with the lunar calendar. So a big part of their culture. Um,
there's a lot of kind of festivals that happen every,

(44:28):
every year that kind of celebrate the delicate new spring
teas as they come in spring. Um, yeah. So we
won't be there in spring. It'll be coming into autumn. But, um, yeah, still,
still be an amazing time in the tea world there.

S1 (44:42):
Okay. And I guess that's part of the appeal of it.
And also the, the kind of intrigue and the, the ceremonial,
the almost spiritual side of, uh, of tea growing and
and tea drinking. I mean, you know, those, uh, bogans,
if you like, just just have a cup of tea.
It's one thing, but there's so much more that goes
behind it, isn't there?

S11 (45:00):
Oh, absolutely. And it's just fascinating how, you know, every
culture has.

S1 (45:05):
Its.

S11 (45:06):
Own connection and own ways of. Yeah, brewing and sharing
tea and ceremonies attached to that. And so yeah, it's
going to be amazing to sort of just really immerse
in that whole green tea.

S1 (45:19):
Are you going with other people that are also interested
in tea?

S11 (45:21):
Yeah. So it's, um, run by Australian tea masters, and
I think there's a small group of about 7 or
8 of us. Um, yeah. And mostly probably students of
Sharon Johnston, who's my tea teacher. And, you know, I
couldn't think of a better person to go with. I
wouldn't want to go with anyone else. She's so knowledgeable
and so connected all over the world in terms of tea.

(45:42):
So it's just wonderful to travel with someone who will just,
I think, be able to bring so much deeper knowledge
to something like this.

S1 (45:50):
Look, it's a fairly small group like that is very good,
isn't it, because you're kind of going to get a
bit more individual attention, or you're not going to be
kind of lost in the crowd, which I think is
probably an appealing thing about a small group that goes
away like this.

S11 (46:02):
Yeah. Yeah. It is. And I think it'll be, you know,
maybe the making of of lifelong friendships. I know that
there's another lady from South Australia going. Her name's Marcia,
and she runs a business called Bush Flower Teas. I've
not met her. I think she's on the Yorke Peninsula
or Eyre Peninsula. I'm not quite sure. But it's going
to be great to just connect with another fellow, you know,

(46:23):
female led tea business here in SA and spend some time.
So yeah, I think it'll lead to all sorts of
great things.

S1 (46:30):
So with the Korean tea, it's kind of conventional tea
or the conventional tea leaf, but they tend to pick
it a bit earlier as a green tea. Is that
what you're saying?

S11 (46:39):
They pick it in the normal sort of spring time
picking season. So it's harvested in sort of usually in
mid April to the end of May. And yeah, they
mostly grow green tea and yeah, as I said, they
pick according to the lunar calendar. So they pick ujion um,
is the type of tea they make first from the
earliest pick of the leaves. And that has a very We,

(47:01):
you know, almost very sort of soft, delicate flavors. And
then said Jack is picked in early May and has
some more kind of pronounced flavors. And then John Jack
is the latest harvest, harvest at the end of May,
which brings like a liquor with a really bright jade
color and sort of some sweet and more developed flavors.

(47:22):
So yeah, mostly famous for its green tea, but does
also produce aged black tea and also a type of
matcha powdered green tea. So that'll be interesting too.

S1 (47:32):
Well, we spoke about much the last time with you
so people can get more from your website if they'd
like to find out more. Belinda don't have too good
a time now. You have as good a time as
you can. Because I've been waiting. You've been waiting for
quite some time for this. So, uh, finally the. At
the moment it's about to arrive. So have a great time.
Thank you for spending a bit of time with us today,

(47:52):
and hopefully we can catch up with you when you
get back, and you can give us a bit more
of a on the spot report of how it was
all playing out.

S11 (47:59):
Yeah, Wonderful. I'd love to. Thanks for having me.

S1 (48:01):
Now, in the meantime, people can find out more with
your online store.

S11 (48:04):
Absolutely. I'm at Brewed by Belinda. Com.au and always happy
to help anyone if they want to reach out via
email or phone, that's absolutely fine.

S1 (48:14):
Alright, we might see a bit more Korean theme on
your selection as far as the future goes.

S11 (48:19):
Yeah.

S1 (48:21):
Great to catch up Linda.

S11 (48:23):
Thank you Peter.

S1 (48:24):
That's Belinda Lee there from Brewed by Belinda, brewed by Belinda.
Com.au the brew that is true. And Belinda joins me
at this time each month. If you'd like to find
out more, you can get in touch with Belinda. Or
you can get in touch with us. And we'll get
Belinda to do a bit of research for you, but
certainly very passionate about tea.

S12 (48:44):
Hi, I'm Pam Mitchell, you're a resident counsellor, and you're
listening to leisure link with Peter Greco on the Vision
Australia radio network. Peter Greco in tune with the heartbeat
of his listeners, linking people together through a programme packed
with diverse news and up to the minute information all presented,

(49:05):
of course, with his warm heart and vibrant personality.

S1 (49:15):
What's really fabulous for the first time ever for the
Greens in the upper house in New South Wales. Abigail. Abigail.
Lovely to meet you. Thank you for your time.

S13 (49:24):
Oh, thank you for having me.

S1 (49:25):
Now, I've read a couple of speeches that you've made
in Parliament regarding things like transport and housing for people
with disabilities. So where did this sort of passion and
interest come from?

S13 (49:36):
Well, look, I, I'm a person with autism, but I
also have two children who were diagnosed with autism pretty
early on. And it was really clear to me that
the kind of, I guess, the trajectory of, of their,
their life experience was very much dependent on what kind
of resources I had as a parent, and I thought

(49:59):
that that was incredibly unfair. So I guess I started
sort of looking at, um, the system as a whole,
and we were trying to understand NDIS, but also just
this idea of, you know, some people having a better
experience because they have the resources to to sort of
pave the way for them versus others who don't. So yeah,

(50:21):
so I've, I've had the disability portfolio now for the
Greens in New South Wales for about six years. And
the more injustice I see, the more um, the more I,
I sort of get determined to try and, um, get
rid of the ableism in society.

S1 (50:36):
There's a real life example of lived experience. Abigail. The
reason I asked that is because, uh, it's interesting what
you say because, um, I mean, you've been, uh, very
well trained in terms of I think you're a corporate
lawyer at one stage, so obviously very well versed in
a lot of stuff. I always feel a bit empathetic
and sympathetic, if I can put it that way, for
people who haven't got the ability to be able to

(50:58):
articulate and advocate for themselves with things like the NDIS.

S13 (51:02):
Oh, absolutely. And I think and again, you know, one
of the things I discovered was that even though I
thought that I, you know, had had the privilege of
a good education and all the rest of it, I,
I found the NDIS almost impossible to navigate. So, you know,
if that's the case for me, then my goodness, for
people who who are, you know, have less time or

(51:23):
just less familiar with that kind of bureaucracy. Like what
what hope do you have?

S1 (51:28):
And of course, as you kind of touched on the
better kind of outcome you get in terms of what
you get from something like the NDIS, the better the
outcome for you or your kids or both.

S13 (51:38):
Yeah, exactly. And you find yourself just battling with the
systems to try and get support. And, you know, it
really frustrates me when you then hear about, oh, there's
you know, apparently it's all this fraud or there's apparently,
you know, people on the system that shouldn't be. It's
just not the reality. Like, I've, I've never spoken to
a person who who thinks that, um, that they had

(51:58):
an easy ride with the NDIS. You know, those those
who have gone on to it have got onto it
through really fighting to, you know, to to get anything.
It is not a system that that willingly provides for
people with disability at all.

S1 (52:12):
Now, I guess as a member of the upper house
of New South Wales, there's limited things you can do.
But how can we make it better? You know, who
do we go to? Or how can we work better
together to make it better?

S4 (52:22):
I think, you know.

S13 (52:24):
I often, you know, I speak with, you know, the
disability community and we talk about how on some estimates,
you know, wanting, wanting five people in Australia have a disability.
And yet when it comes to elections and voting, we
don't hear very much from the major parties when it
comes to providing for people with disability. And in fact,
you know, people with disability have become this kind of

(52:46):
political football, as we've seen in recent months with the
NDIS reforms. I think that, you know, it's hard. But
collectively we need to support each other to raise our
voices up and, um, you know, demand better when it
comes to, to just basic levels of support. We seem
to be going backwards sometimes. I get very frustrated when

(53:07):
you look at, you know, I put the NDIS to
one side and look at just the structural barriers in
New South Wales with, you know, I found out, um,
a little while ago, I was talking to the, um,
the transport minister, and it turned out that at the
current rate of upgrades of accessibility to, to transport in
New South Wales, we're looking at like 50 years before

(53:29):
we have full accessibility. So.

S1 (53:31):
Yeah, that's one of the things that grabbed me from
your speech. I mean, if it wasn't serious, it'd be hilarious, right.

S14 (53:37):
Like and there's and then they say, oh, you know, um,
there's so many.

S13 (53:40):
People that that need help getting around. And, you know,
we're going to the, to the NDIS and trying to
ask for help so that, you know, people have somebody
who can take them to the shops and things like
if we just had a bit more of a, you know,
accessible transport experience, you wouldn't need half of those things. Well,
you know, not as many. So I think there's these,
these structural barriers and this, this ableism and this whole

(54:03):
kind of, I don't know, culture that's developing, that's sort
of it's not our problem, it's someone else's problem. And
I think that got exacerbated when the states gave their,
you know, the funding up, um, to the federal government
and entrusted them to, to, you know, roll out the NDIS.
They sort of thought that was the end of it

(54:24):
for the states, and they didn't have to worry about
people with disability anymore. And what we've seen is just
this sort of deterioration of, of services that the states
were supposed to deliver, which is then put all this
pressure on the NDIS and it's yeah, I, I find
it so frustrating.

S1 (54:39):
And now they're kind of well, it's almost a mythical
thing about this foundational supports and how they're going to
be kind of rolled out and sort of fill those gaps.

S13 (54:47):
Yeah, that's another one of those things that if it
wasn't so serious, it'd be funny. Like, no one even
knew what foundational supports were. Um, and when I had
the minister, um, the disability minister at the beginning of
this year in estimates, and I was saying, so, you know,
what are foundational supports? She had no idea. And then,
you know, to find out that the states, uh, and the,
the federal government had decided they were each going to

(55:08):
pay half of whatever foundational supports were, but then they
couldn't agree because they didn't know what foundational supports were.
And so they didn't know sort of how much they'd
each be up for, you know, and fast forward now,
you know, a year on and we've got this thriving
kids thing being announced. And again, the confusion people are
saying is that instead of foundational supports is that in

(55:31):
addition to like what what is happening, no one knows.
And it's just it's.

S14 (55:36):
Just buck.

S13 (55:36):
Passing.

S1 (55:37):
And here's a couple of billion, uh, see what we
can do with it. We're not quite sure what we
can do, but here's a couple of billion.

S13 (55:43):
Yeah. And, you know, that was announced. And again, I
asked in estimates and the treasurer said they had you know,
he had no idea that that announcement was being made
despite being in Canberra at the time. The disability minister
had no idea it was being made. They don't know
what that package is, and yet they're being told that
they will have to put in 2 billion for it,
but they don't know what it is.

S1 (56:04):
Yeah, I saw I saw a little montage of the
various state premiers and they changed their words carefully, but
basically it's oh, okay, thanks for telling us. We'll go
and work on it.

S13 (56:16):
I think our premier said something along the lines of,
you know, we're not bailing out the federal, um, scheme
and then followed it up quickly with, we'll do whatever's required,
which I thought was like, you just don't know, dude.
No one knows what's going on.

S1 (56:30):
And of course, the thing is with this that is
obviously concerning, is that you might be playing a postcode
lottery because, you know, if your state premier or your
state government maybe does a better job than mine or,
you know, someone in Queensland has been often someone in
Western Australia, well, that's probably not really fair either. No. Anyway.

S13 (56:49):
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I think, look, you know,
the NDIS has not performed as it should have. It's
not been you know, it's not delivered the promise that
it had. And we all hoped it would have. But
I strongly believe that, that what has gone wrong is
the marketisation and the corporatization of, of disability services. But
we're not focusing on that. We're instead. Again, it's all

(57:12):
about focusing on, you know, individuals and and trying to
to put the blame on individuals who are. I thought,
you know, society as a whole all agreed that people
ought to be supported. And I yeah, I think it's
unfortunate that we have ended up with such a, I guess,
a weak set of politicians that don't want to address

(57:35):
the real issues with NDIS and instead want to just
try and and cut support and leave people wanting. It's, um. Yeah,
we're going the wrong direction.

S1 (57:45):
You touched on the fact that, um, the the funding
was a bit of an issue or. Sorry, the rorts
were a bit of an issue. I mean, that automatically
kind of puts, you know, members of the general public
who haven't been touched by it at odds, doesn't it? So,
you know, you guys and girls ripping us off. I'm
paying taxes. You're having a good night out or a

(58:06):
good time about it, and I'm getting nothing for it.
And you're probably not getting what you should be getting
for it.

S13 (58:11):
And it's deliberate. I mean, it's a deliberate framing before
we get any cuts to NDIS. We hear these, you know,
these reports come out of, oh, it's rorting and it's,
you know, people having a good time on welfare. You know,
this this is what happens every time before they, they
announce cuts like this. It's quite dishonest politics. I think

(58:32):
we ought to be looking at the amount of fraud
at the provider level and the amount of, you know,
real like price gouging. Um, in some places where people
are being absolutely taken for a ride by NDIS providers like, no, no,
no one's talking about that. And yet it's really easy
to frame people with disability as being the ones who

(58:52):
are rorting the system.

S1 (58:54):
I heard a great speech very early in this, this
current parliament by your colleague in in Canberra, Jordon Steele-john,
who really gave it to the government in no uncertain terms,
which was great. But, you know, afterwards I thought, well,
I didn't really hear anyone kind of respond or try
and either rebut it or try and explain it, which
is kind of interesting in itself that I'm not sure

(59:14):
if that means, yeah, you're right or you don't know
what you're talking about because, you know, no reply came back.

S13 (59:19):
The response I think that's probably easier for them, right?
I mean, are you going to tell, you know, a
politician with disability that are wrong about issues to do
with disability? But also, I think, you know, Jordan tells
it how it actually. Yeah. And it's inconvenient for them.
They don't want to deal with that aspect of it.
They don't want to deal with the truth. You know,

(59:39):
it's I think on these issues. The major parties have
lost their way so, so badly. They've forgotten basic principles
of of fairness and kindness. And I think that always
comes through in Jordan's speeches that, you know, at the
end of the day, we're just asking you to do
what's right. And yeah, they dress it up as, you know,

(01:00:01):
sort of bureaucracy and funding amounts and oh, the sky's
going to fall in if we, if we have any
more people on NDIS. But I'm sorry, all the time
people are needing support. We as a society should be
giving them support. And that's that's why we live in
a society. And I thought that's what Australians wanted and were,

(01:00:21):
you know, sort of valued as a principle.

S1 (01:00:24):
You're a member of parliament. I've been trying for a
few weeks to get you on, and I know you're
really busy, so I'm not having a go, but I
guess if we can contact our local members to kind
of get a message across, I mean, eventually, uh, you know, uh,
water dripping off a stone eventually that the kind of
message will get through, do you think?

S13 (01:00:38):
Well, look, I hope so. And I, you know, it's
so hard to, you know, you get into Parliament and
you get. I'm sorry. I say it's so hard. It's
not hard being a politician. Um, it's hard dealing with
the amount of people coming to you needing your help
who need help and validly should be getting that help.
But you're just one person with a team of, you know,

(01:00:59):
two staff, and we just can't get to everyone. And
I think, yeah, if other politicians were sort of taking
on a bit more of the load and actually doing
what they're elected to do, we wouldn't have, you know,
this sort of like quite as many people trying to
come into just a, you know, a couple of, um,
greens and independents to, to get the, the story through.

(01:01:21):
It's awful like it's the amount of, of people who
are in really dire straits, uh, who cannot get the
help they need. It's. Yeah. Like, I feel an obligation
to try and help, but we can't help everybody.

S1 (01:01:33):
Abigail, I've gone way over time. Your staff will get
me into trouble. I'll get you for the trouble. Or
vice versa. Thank you for speaking to us and it'd
be great to catch up with you in the future.
I've really enjoyed it and I really appreciated what you said,
and I think you get it. And it'd be good
to get you back to talk more in the future.

S13 (01:01:48):
Thank you very much for having me. It's been lovely.

S1 (01:01:51):
Abigail Boyd there, who's a member of the Greens in
the upper house, uh, represents the Greens in the area
of disability. And a really interesting chat, interesting perspective. And
certainly with lived experience, such a valuable and valued thing.

S15 (01:02:02):
On the Eastern Australia Network through your favorite podcast service
on 1190 7 a.m. in Adelaide, you're listening to leisurely.

S1 (01:02:12):
Always great catching up with Kelly Schultz from Noble Me,
and particularly when there's little success stories to talk about. Kelly,
great to catch up.

S16 (01:02:19):
Always a pleasure to chat to you, Peter.

S1 (01:02:21):
You've got some good news regarding a couple of rather
large organisations that people may have heard of.

S16 (01:02:25):
They probably have. You never know, and I'm not quite
sure whether I get to take credit or not, but
I'm going to.

S1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, no, I'll give it to you anyway. So it's two,
two from two here. What's happened?

S16 (01:02:35):
Well, way back in April. I don't know whether you
remember April this year. It was a while ago now.
We did some research on multi-factor authentication, and that's where
we talk to people about different ways that you have
to authenticate passwords and apps and those codes that they
send you on your phone and in person. During those interviews,

(01:02:56):
one person said to us, it'd be really great if
I could tell the difference between the authenticator apps using
VoiceOver on my phone so the screen reader on my phone,
because both of them were called authenticator authenticator, an authenticator,
and you can't tell the difference. And those authenticator apps
are made by Google and Microsoft, okay.

S1 (01:03:17):
Which makes it very difficult because that obviously very popular
or in big use anyway.

S16 (01:03:21):
Definitely in big use and definitely not just one as well.
So you'll find if you're someone who needs to have that,
particularly for work purposes, there's a good chance that you'll
have to have both. And even going into the apps,
even if you go into them, they don't actually announce
what they are, whether it's Google or Microsoft, when you
go into them with VoiceOver either. So they're actually genuinely
was no way to tell until you got in there

(01:03:43):
and had to figure out what the navigation was once
you were there. So what did we do? Well, I
firmly believe in the power of one, as I call it,
and that's that one person's experience is probably evidence of
a lot of people's experience. So we took that piece
of feedback and I thought, well, I think that's a
should be something that's really easy to fix. But bear
in mind, Peter, I think everything should be easy to fix. So,

(01:04:06):
you know, it sounds like an easy fix to me.
It's one it's one extra word that we need in
those apps so that they announce which one they are.
And I didn't really know what to do. So I
made a video about it, a video for social media.
Because let's face it, everyone wants to be trending. And
that seems to be the place where lots of people
can find something and get things fixed. I personally don't

(01:04:27):
know anyone at Microsoft or Google, so that seemed like
the best way to go. So I posted that on
the socials, in particular LinkedIn. And then I waited and
I waited, and I waited some more, and I continued
to wait. And then one day, just a little bit ago,
I saw an update come through for one of those
apps and you'll never guess what. It has been fixed.
So Microsoft Authenticator app now with VoiceOver only, it's not

(01:04:51):
like the label has changed or anything has visually changed,
but the voiceover label now calls it Microsoft Authenticator.

S1 (01:04:58):
I was going to ask about visually. So visually people
could see which is which.

S16 (01:05:02):
Visually they have an icon, so they have the icon
for the app. So visually people could see which is which,
even though the label underneath both apps was just the
word authenticator, and that's the word it was using for
for VoiceOver.

S1 (01:05:14):
Fantastic. So what do you think happened? So someone saw
your wonderful video and who might that have been and
what did they do about it? Or how did they
go about kind of fixing it?

S16 (01:05:23):
Well, I think honestly, when you work in these types
of organizations and I've done that, I've had my my time,
you actually genuinely do want to fix things for people
and make things good experiences, but you don't know what
you don't know. Thankfully, quite a few people were tagged
from my network in LinkedIn.

S1 (01:05:37):
Ah, okay.

S16 (01:05:38):
And so a few people said, you know, oh, this
should be an easy fix. This is how I'd do it.
Or tagged someone from Google or tag someone from Microsoft.
So I genuinely don't know. Like I said, I don't
know whether I can take credit or not, but the fact.

S1 (01:05:51):
That you're going fixed.

S16 (01:05:52):
I'm gonna take the win. Yeah.

S1 (01:05:55):
Because, I mean, the interesting thing is that I'm assuming
they still do. Those organizations did have an accessibility unit,
if I can call them that. I think Elon got
rid of Twitter's pretty quickly, but the others still do have.
And they've got people who are blind or have low
vision working for them.

S16 (01:06:09):
Absolutely they do. And maybe it's that they only work
exclusively with their own stuff. So unless you're having the
experience of having to use both, maybe you don't notice.
Maybe it is a more unique situation than I thought,
but I've certainly had to use both apps. So they
do definitely have accessibility people. And I suspect they're the
people who got it fixed by Microsoft. So great.

S1 (01:06:28):
On a serious note, well, we've been serious up until now.
What am I talking about? But you must think I'm
glad I do what I do. When you get results
like this.

S16 (01:06:35):
It definitely keeps me going. It's the things that. The
things that get to change that you think I don't
know who this is? I'm not going to meet the
people that this makes a difference to. You know, there's
more than they do. Say that there's at least a million,
if not a few million screen reader users in the world. Right?
There's going to be a proportion of those that are
going to benefit from this change. I don't get to
meet them, but I just think it's the lots of

(01:06:57):
little things that you add up to make people's lives
that little bit easier, that are the big wins. They're
just those little things, those little speed humps that you
can flatten out that just make it worthwhile. This one's
a pretty big one, I think, but still very niche
to a very specific use case and group of people.
But why not change things if you can.

S1 (01:07:17):
And you've done a video to kind of celebrate it
as well?

S16 (01:07:19):
Well, I absolutely thought that if I called them out
for it, I mean, my my message to was, can
you just fix it, please? Was the message that I
sent out in the first place. I celebrated Microsoft fixed it.
I haven't actually seen an update to the Google Authenticator app, since.
Maybe they're going to work on it, and next time
they update their app, it'll come through as well. But
Microsoft did it, and then they did it quietly as well.

(01:07:42):
It's not fanfare. It's not the hey, look at us.
How good are we? They just did it quietly. So
I thought, you know what? I should celebrate that it's
not about celebrating that I did anything but celebrating the
fact that these little changes do make a difference.

S1 (01:07:54):
We'll put a link to that YouTube video on our
show notes. Now you've got a server happening. At the moment.

S16 (01:07:59):
We do actually. Yeah, we are talking about recruitment. So
recruitment of people with disabilities. And we're really specifically looking
at online job applications. So where you have to digitally
log in and complete a job application. And what happens
in those systems and things like whether you disclose that
you have a disability at that point and request adjustments,

(01:08:20):
all of those sorts of things. So it's a $10
paid survey for people who are eligible, and we're going
to do some interviews later in the month as well.

S1 (01:08:27):
Okay. How can people take part in the survey?

S16 (01:08:29):
They can visit knowable. So k n o w a
b l e m e and sign up or log
in to their account and have a go at the
eligibility survey. Or they can always get in touch by email,
research at knowable or even by phone on 0435 180 507.

S1 (01:08:48):
That sounds like a commercial, eh? Which it is, but
no one's getting any money for it, so that's great. Well,
you're getting ten bucks if you do the survey. Kelly, congratulations.
I mean, in all seriousness, it's great when little successes
like this, you know, mean big things to a few people.
That's all really important. So thanks for sharing it. Keep
up the good work. And, uh, we'll catch up with
you when you do your next successful story. Or maybe

(01:09:08):
even when you've got another, uh, axe to grind.

S16 (01:09:12):
Amazing. Thanks for your support, Peter.

S1 (01:09:13):
Kelly Schulz there. From now with me, we'll put those
details up in our show notes, plus the little celebration
video as well. Check them out. And as always, if
you have any difficulties, get in touch with us here
at the radio station. Well, we love our listeners and

(01:09:38):
I know our listeners like to help us. Let's find
out how you might be able to do so, and
maybe get something out of it yourself. And speak to
Jacqueline Thatcher Brady, who heads up marketing and entertainment. Jacqueline,
lovely to meet you. Thanks for your time.

S17 (01:09:50):
Thank you Peter, thanks so much for having me and
happy to be here.

S1 (01:09:52):
Tell us a bit about what you do and how
the old line goes. Let me help you and let
you help me. How can all this come together?

S17 (01:09:59):
Definitely. Right. Yes. It's the, um, let me help you thing. Um, yeah. No.
I've been very blessed to be working with the entertainment group, um,
which a lot of people probably remember it more as the, um,
the Entertainment Gold book back in the day, uh, which
was a fundraising program that we worked with lots of
community groups and organisations around Australia, and we've had a
very long association with Vision Australia as well over the years. And, um,

(01:10:23):
it's the gold book that had all the amazing dining,
travel and activities offers in it for all the different
cities around Australia. But it is now very conveniently, um,
a an app that is downloadable at a membership that
you can still, um, be part of. And more brilliantly
is the fact that it's still an incredible fundraising, um,

(01:10:44):
program for all the groups and organizations such as Visit
Australia around Australia. So we're really pleased that we now
have this amazing, convenient way that people can access lots
of wonderful offers in this city. Um, and yeah, we're
really excited about it. So it's wonderful.

S1 (01:10:59):
Now, depending on when people listening, uh, tomorrow is Father's Day,
it might have already gone by the time people catch
up on the podcast. What are you doing for that?

S17 (01:11:06):
Well, we've got this month actually, in particular, September is
actually our formal gift matching month. So what that means
is that while you can easily still today, you can
download and buy membership for your favorite dad in your life. Um,
as a great gift. It's an instant wine. You don't
have to go to the shops. You don't have to
find a car park. You don't have to drive yourself crazy.

(01:11:28):
You can do it instantly today. Um, and there's a
couple of wonderful things with that. So our gift matching
month means that for anyone that buys a membership during
the month of September, we're actually gift matching the donation
that organizations get. So instead of yeah, so instead of 20%, um,
going to your favorite charity or organization. And of course
that would be Vision Australia or everyone listening today. Um,

(01:11:51):
instead of $14 going from a $70 membership fee, it
will now be $28 that we're matching, um, as a
donation to Vision Australia. So we have two membership types.
One is a single city and the other one is
a multi city membership, which is $120. And like I said,
we're now matching that donation. So it's a wonderful way

(01:12:14):
that you can give a gift to your favorite dad
this Father's Day or anyone in your life or buy
it for yourself even, and at the same time double
that donation that's going to the community group. And of course,
then you get to access amazing, um, offers and savings and, um,
exclusive deals in the, in the app for yourself. So, yeah,

(01:12:35):
it's a great, great campaign.

S1 (01:12:36):
So if you travel a fair bit, go maybe go
for the multi-city or if you think you're going to
be sticking around where you live now, then the $70
one for the single city is probably the way to go.

S17 (01:12:46):
But even even in both situations, we have a new
travel app now within, um, the membership, which actually gets
you the most amazing travel deals. Um, around the country
you can save on accommodation of all different types of,
you know, routings, like everything from, you know, your budget
accommodation to five star accommodation you can save on flights.

(01:13:06):
There's an extra discount in there at the moment from, um, Virgin.
They're running an additional offer with us at the moment.
You can get additional exclusive deals on car rental, travel insurance, um, cruises, packages,
all sorts of amazing things so you can instantly get
your money back from the cost of your membership just

(01:13:28):
purely by using the travel app. And that's without using
all the amazing, um, options you have with dining in
there as well.

S1 (01:13:34):
I was going to ask you about that. So this
is kind of the, uh, the virgins of the world,
if you like. They get on board as far as, um,
you know, being part of it. So they get something
out of it because I, I use them, and then we, uh,
get something out of it because I've used them as well.

S17 (01:13:47):
That's right. And for, you know, all those amazing restaurant
owners and corporates that are involved in the membership, um,
you know, the fact that they know that the entertainment
membership is sold through charities and community groups is really
lovely for them as well. So we really are so
grateful of their partnership. And for us, it's about bringing
community and business together and just letting everybody really benefit

(01:14:10):
from that circular, um, I suppose, environment of giving to
each other and everyone benefiting at the same time.

S1 (01:14:17):
And I guess the the key, if you like, is
that if you, uh, you know, use, uh, virgin or
if you dine at a certain place, you, you get
a discount for doing that, right?

S17 (01:14:25):
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, with dining, normally you'll find
you'll get, um, a two for one, or you'll get, um,
a 50% off your dining, um, up to a value, um,
some of the best fine dining restaurants in each of
the cities around Australia. There's also great offers for activities.
Theme park offers. Um, and then, of course, you get
all the amazing value out of the travel portal as well.

(01:14:46):
So everyone feels like they're getting something wonderful. Um, and then,
you know, charities around Australia are getting an amazing, um,
support and additional fundraising avenues through the entertainment program.

S1 (01:14:58):
You talked about Father's Day, but, uh, I guess for
any sort of event or any significant event or birthday
or whatever coming up, it is a great little present,
isn't it? You can give this away and, you know,
you you get, you give them a present and they
can benefit for for the next 12 months.

S17 (01:15:13):
That's exactly I mean, the perfect scenario is you give
someone an entertainment membership and they take you out for
dinner and then they visit, you know, the same thing
attached to it. So, you know, you can get a
bit of a double whammy going there as far as
I'm concerned. But it does make a wonderful gift. And particularly,
I mean, I just recently one of my oldest children
just moved out of home and I bought her membership

(01:15:34):
because you've also got savings in there around gift cards
for things like, you know, Woolies, um, and for, you know,
for Adult beauty and David Jones. And so, you know,
for anyone that you can get savings on gift cards
for them to go and use that at any time
that they want to. So it makes a great gift for,
you know, young people moving at home for the first

(01:15:55):
time and needing to economize on certain things. There's lots
of everyday savings in there as well. Um, as well
as obviously giving it to, you know, people who seem
to have everything, you know, the people that have everything
they're hard to buy for. And dads are always the
hardest to buy for every year. So you can ditch
the the socks and hankies this year and you can

(01:16:15):
easily go in with an entertainment membership and make everybody happy.

S1 (01:16:19):
Fantastic. And as you say, charities and in particular this
case we're talking about Virgin Australia. We benefit from it
as well. So it is a win win.

S17 (01:16:27):
It absolutely is the win. Well it's a win win win.
It really is um across the board. And we've just
been so blessed to get to work with amazing people
and organisations, with all the charities around Australia and and
Vision Australia has certainly been a long term, um, partner
of ours and us of them, um, in the work
that they've done to, you know, facilitate and support, you know,

(01:16:51):
vision impaired Australians and their work, um, is certainly something
that is probably held by many Australians is, you know,
one of the stalwarts, um, and one of the more
endearing brands in that philanthropy space. And so if we
can help take that message to market to, you know, our,
our members and to, you know, the further, um, community afield, well,

(01:17:12):
then that's such a wonderful thing.

S1 (01:17:13):
Becky, you've got the app out. We'll let people know
how they can access it in a little while. But
in terms of, I guess, um, you know, the app
being accessible or being easy to use or that sort
of thing, are you always happy to get some feedback?
I mean, it's sort of, um, a thing that's always
under construction, if you like, or always able to be
updated and improved.

S17 (01:17:32):
Yeah. Oh, anyone who's in technology knows that these things,
they're a model of their own. It never it never stops. Um, but, um, look,
we're always happy to hear from people who want to,
you know, give us feedback about how they find their
app working. It's always a continual, you know, every app
that exists or every piece of technology that exists. It's

(01:17:52):
an ongoing, uh, service situation. So we're always happy to
hear from our members. And we just, you know, did
a customer survey recently. And the great thing is that
we know is that, you know, the majority of people
always want to renew their membership year on year, which
is wonderful, um, that we can always, you know, happy
to hear from people about, you know, feedback about how

(01:18:12):
we could be doing things better. But I think the
main thing that, you know, we really want to be
able to show is how if we can help people
who would otherwise be, you know, feeling isolated in their
situation and get them more interacting with their community by
getting out and enjoying their life, then that is a
really great thing for us. And then, yeah, we're always

(01:18:34):
happy to hear about how we can improve.

S1 (01:18:36):
So it's just court entertainment I think, isn't it?

S13 (01:18:38):
Yeah.

S17 (01:18:38):
You can go to entertainment. Com.au and you'll find all
of our details on there about how you can purchase
your membership and how you can easily donate to Vision Australia. And, um, yeah,
we can certainly, you know, foster any questions that you've got.

S1 (01:18:53):
What about in terms of, uh, what is uh, sort
of applicable for? Is it both iOS and Android?

S17 (01:18:59):
Both. Absolutely.

S1 (01:19:00):
All right. Because I know more and more people seem
to be using Android these days. So it's great. It's
good good and accessible across both platforms. Well, Jacquelyn, thank you.
On behalf of Vision Australia. Thank you. I get a
chance to thank you on the radio, which is great.
I know that we do appreciate it, so let's hope
that people take it up, particularly for September, because this
special offer is in all through September, isn't it?

S17 (01:19:20):
That's correct. Anytime during September, you purchase your membership through
Vision Australia. You'll be helping to double the fundraising dollars
that we're able to contribute to, to their, you know,
their efforts and their program of work. So, um, yeah,
if there's any time now for your supporters to get involved,
now is the time to do it.

S1 (01:19:37):
And you get something from it, or you can get
quite a bit from it if you if you so choose.

S17 (01:19:41):
Well, there's over $20,000 worth of sales.

S1 (01:19:43):
Okay.

S17 (01:19:44):
And yeah. So yeah, there's a lot.

S1 (01:19:47):
I love my cat with me. If I, uh, get
to 20,000. That's fantastic. Jacqueline, great to catch up. Thank
you for your time.

S17 (01:19:52):
Thanks, Peter. Thank you so much.

S1 (01:19:54):
That's Jacqueline Patrick Brady there who heads up marketing at entertainment.
Sounds like a great idea. Check it out. Maybe let
us know what you think of it. Some news hot
off the press from Silver's hymns. The brass sent six
and mini update will be out in the next week
or so. Check out that. I also have to say

(01:20:15):
a very big thank you and well done to Felicity Steer.
We spoke to Felicity in July regarding her exhibition of
paintings at the newsagent in Henley South. Went along last Sunday.
Caught Felicity painting on the footpath and also were Felicity
gave us a wonderful guided audio tour of the work

(01:20:35):
that Felicity had up at that particular newsagents. Felicity. Lovely
to meet you. Congratulations on your work. And also during
the week Felicity was at the Royal Show exhibiting her
paintings and Felicity won first prize. So, Felicity, thank you
for catching up with us last week and congratulations on
a very successful venture. I'm sure there's many more exhibitions

(01:20:59):
that are going to be excellent coming up in the future. Now,
a couple of quotes before we go. Mark, who's a
bit of a wag, has sent one through. He says
the reason they had a round table for the economic
forum was because they cut corners. All right. Thank you
very much, Mark. And one from Gail who often contacts

(01:21:20):
us with some quotes. Gail says this time, no matter
how long it seems that winter is, spring will always follow. Very,
very true. Thank you, Gail, for your quotes. Some birthdays
before we go. Matt McCarthy, Australian blind cricket captain, having
a birthday. Also some tremendous Paralympians, including Rachael Henderson, one

(01:21:41):
of his favorites and famous and best. Also Ben Popham
having a birthday. And we also say happy birthday to
Tom and Kenton Smith and Kira means having a birthday.
The wonderful Kira Meade spent a lot of time at
five ARF back in the 90s and early noughties. Kira.
Happy birthday to you. I hope life is going well.

(01:22:02):
That's it for the program. Sam Rickard, thanks so much
for your help. Pam Green, thanks so much for yours.
Thanks to the team for helping us put the program
to air today, reminding you that Leslie is available on
that favorite podcast platform of yours. If you like the show,
even if you don't, please tell a friend. Now coming up,
if you're listening through 1190 7 a.m. in Adelaide, Ricky

(01:22:23):
Cousins is here with Australian Geographic. Don't touch that dial.
Be kind to yourselves, be thoughtful and look out for
others all being well. Let's look back at the same
time next week on Vision Australia Radio and the Reading
Radio Network. This is leisure link.

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