December 21, 2025 • 45 mins
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Clueless turns 30 this week (yes, thirty) and there was simply no way we weren’t going to mark the occasion. Today’s episode is a brutally honest (and very loving) review of the cult classic that defined a generation.
We’re diving into everything from how the film came to be, the chaotic casting process, and the real-life stories behind the most iconic scenes and one-liners.
We also unpack why the film hits so damn hard, reveal the scenes we still quote weekly, and discuss how we genuinely don’t remember life before seeing Clueless. Because honestly, do you know one person who hasn't watched it? So sit back, strap in and get ready for a 90s nostalgia ride.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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(00:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
From Mama Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop
culture fixed. I'm m Burnham and I and Laura Brodnick
and we have a very special episode today.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Clueless
que Kids in America.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The theme song that kicks it all off, looking.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Out the dudio window outside the Guards in the City.
Girl as You Buy.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay, so obviously Clueless is one of the greatest movies
ever created. And it came out thirty years ago. Well
technically last week, but we had a bit on It
came out thirty years ago in a week long span. Now,
I should say the whole premise of brutally honest reviews
is that we do the review the week of release
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for a TV show or a movie.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I must.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Apologize that we are late on this one. We should
have done it thirty years ago, and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's on us. We apologize. I'm so sorry for not
being born yet.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, we apologize because it wasn't born. I was a child,
and that's on us. That's on We're gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Here and we're going to do better. But we thought this.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Week everyone is talking about the movie again. Everyone's writing
think pieces and reviews, the cast is doing interviews.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's all over TikTok with.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
People doing like their favorite memories of this movie, because
this is a movie that has shaped multiple generations. And
then we thought we're not going to let our mistake
of being not born in a child get in the
way of a brutally honest review of one of the
greatest movies ever.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, so we're thirty years late, but it's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I should say.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean, I've watched this movie too many times to count.
Do you remember the first time you watched it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was thirteen. Oh, okay, I think I was still
a bit too young to fully understand.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, that's the beauty of the caveats.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Also, because teenagers in the nineties were way different to
teenagers now, Like I didn't understand a lot of like
the sexual innuendos and like the smoking and the fashion.
A lot of it was I was very confused. But
I remember illegally streaming it on my laptop that was
like overheating on my like my bedroom and I had
(03:09):
my posters or like Jesse McCartney and the Jonist brothers.
But I watched it because it was like the cool
girl thing to do. Yeah, like because I was in
year seven and all the older girls were like quoting Clueless,
even though they were much too young to also be
in that like zygeist time, but they were like quoting Clueless,
and I was like, oh, cool girls watch Clueless and
(03:30):
I have to watch CI the Case today still hold
up till this day.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, because it's still a banger over movie.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
When it was the first time you watched it, do.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know what, I have no memory because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's always been there.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's always been in my life. I think I watched
it before I had proper consciousness, Like I watched it
as a small child.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Maybe you did do it as a child, and then
so you have actually no excuse to not do it
really exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, I should have as a small child, and it
came out in nineteen ninety five. I should I should
have got on the mic then, but no, my sister
and I just watched it on a VHS tape over
and over and over again, and it was just always there,
like a Disney movie. I don't remember the first time
I watched it. I don't remember not having it in
my life. And it's so funny because we watched it
so many times and it's obviously not a kid's movie,
but my mum was okay with that, and my other
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sisters six years younger than us, and so she watched
it with us, and her first day of like kindergarten,
they said to everyone, get up and say so about
your family, and Lucy started reciting the whole clueless movie
word for word was so inappropriate for KINDI Lucy gets.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Up and she's like, you're a virgin who can't do
if she.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Did, she knew the whole movie, and needless to say.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
My mum got a call.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That is how much this movie is meant to so
many people. So we're going to get into it, and
we're starting from the beginning. So the movie was created
by Amy Heckling, who brilliant.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Brilliant, so she wrote and directed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes, we owe that woman so much.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So basically she was kind of shaping teen movies at
the time, and she was known for being able to
basically deliver a big box office hit. So she'd previously
done Fast Times at Richemont High, another iconic movie wildly
unsuitable for children that I grew up with. She did.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm also look who's talking.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, the woman's a genius.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So what happens in Hollywood a lot of the time
is like when you have a few, especially back in
the day, a few big box office hits, you get
like a bit of.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
A blank check.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whether they'll say to you, we want this particular movie,
go and create it. So Amy Heckling was tasked with
making a movie that would appeal to teenagers on a
mass degree, and she had remembered reading the book Emma
by Jane Austen as a teenager.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Great book, Great book.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I actually gifted that book to my sister for her
birthday this year twenty two. She's never read it before.
One of those limited edition covers you need, you.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Have to know E three girl has to read Emma.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Such clueless is some people say loosely adapted, and I
guess it is because very different time periods, but it
follows the plot pretty much beat for me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, I feel like if you know the inspiration was
from Emma, then you see it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah was.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
If you didn't know that, you don't really see it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Those whole storylines, characters and relationship. It's pretty much Amy
Heckling took the man. Yeah exactly. Well that this spawned
a whole lord then of teenage adaptation of classic stories
and like like how ten Things I Hate about You?
As Taming of the Shrew and all that sort of stuff.
So it's based on Emma, follows it very closely and
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as Amy Heckling was writing the script. Every time she
said an article came out with like this is the
new slang the teens are saying, she would save it
so she could build up the script because clueless is
really no one for really creating a whole language that
we still use today. She also when sat in on
classes at like Beverly Hills High and stuff like that
to see how the teens were talking. And as she
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was writing the script, she would jump on her treadmill
and watch Aerosmith music videos and that is where she
saw Alicia Silverstone for the first time. So Amy was
watching Aerosmith music videos to you know, get her through
her exercise, and she kept seeing AlSi in them and
just thinking, that's share that's the lead of my movie.
So when she turned the script into the studio, she
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turned in the script and she turned in a fox
of Alicia Silverstone and she said, basically, the movie is
these words and she says them, and that's it. That's
the pitch, and that turned out to be correct.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I love that I've gone into a full deep dive
of Amy because I think she's absolutely brilliant and I
think she also paved the way for so many of
our favorite like female directors like Greta and Emerald and stuff,
and I think she's just like part of that crew
in my head. And I love like hearing the passion
behind the character for Share, because what I really like
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about Share as a character is that she's constantly happy
and positive and she never annoys you, yes, And I
feel like so many people try to have that typical
woman trope of always being the ditsy, happy, fun, quirky,
positive woman, and then it becomes so overdone that you
just get pissed off at these characters. And she's a
(08:02):
character that is so unique that you never get pissed
off at her constantly being positive exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And the thing is, in any other movie, she would
kind of be the villain, like the beautiful, blonde, popular
girl at school with the money and the wardrobe and
all that sort of stuff. Like usually that's the foil
for the more kind of goofy doesn't know she's beautiful,
who gets a make over kind of lead character in
a teen movie, So to make her the lead but
also make her kind and lovable and also make you
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feel like so protective over her, and I feel like
that is what Alicia Silverstone brought to the role because
she's also very anti like being a Hollywood star, being
that cool girl like There's sixty four. I think it
is costume changes in the movie just for her, Yeah,
just for her character, because the fashion is such a
huge part.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's all designer and it was like a two hundred
thousand dollars budget just for the fashion and they still
went over budget and had to beg designers to let
them borrow Clowes.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, all the way through them. Had to do them
like favors, right, they had to fail in.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Return, like name drop them in the script, and the
script became so iconic that like you don't even tell
that it's actually a brand deal.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I know. That's why when she's getting monks, he's like
get on the floor. She's like, so this isn't a liar.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And he's like, what is that? She's like a really
important DECI he as like.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
A child in like a tiny town in North Queens
and being like a liar important. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I still check got it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, every time I see any sort of a liar thing,
I'm just like, I think of that line. It just yeah,
it just works so well with her character. But Alicia
talked about the fact that she hated all the costume
changes and she hated like the glitz and glamor, and
she and she was hated girls like share at school
and so she really tried to play her the opposite
of that. And also she was like, she's like, I know,
the costumes are important, and they helped me get into
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the character, but it's not the vibe. The casting of
this movie is elite. Should we just say elite?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
What I love about this movie is that it was
a lot of like taking chances on the cast, Like
a lot of them this was their breakout role. A
big one was Brittany Murphy. And I feel like, and
I feel like I can say this like up until
her unfortunate death when in her early thirties, she was
the massive breakout star from the show and she was
so so successful after that. She did like Uptown Girls,
(10:09):
She had did like massive blockbuster hits. And it's really
hard to talk about this movie in like a light
that doesn't also cover the darkness that happened in her
life and after that, because it is such a sad
story about what happened, especially that we don't actually know.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, everything that's happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
But I also love because a lot of the cast,
they always get asked about this. They do so many
interviews and they all speak really beautiful about Brittany and
say that that's how they want to remember her. So
you and I did do an episode about her very
tragic death call link fad in the show notes that
has all the info I think. Now it's just really
nice to focus on like her legacy from this movie.
It's so interesting because obviously, like Alicia was already cast
when the movie went into production, so they would bring
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all the other cast members in to have chemistry reads
with her to see if they would get the part.
And when they're auditioning people for Tye, they had saw
all these actresses and then Alicia Silverstone tells a story
if she saw Britney Murphy walk in the door that day,
you know, one of her first big auditions, this like
goofy grid in her face, these big dough eyes just
like bounce into the room, and she said, she whipped
(11:09):
around to the producers and said, that's her.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's Tie. We don't even need to do the read.
They did.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The ring Amy was like I know, yea, yeah, he
was like, we know, so that was incredible casting, which
you got Paul Rudd for a second.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Who plays Josh Paul Rudd.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The funny thing about Paul Rudd is that I think
he was the only character in that whole movie that
wore his own clothes.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The budget stopped at him, so he's pretty much Josh essentially.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's so funny because Paul Rod was trying to make
it Holy one at a time, and he went and
read for the part and heard nothing, and so he
had a career crisis and he's like, I'm never going
to be an actor. I don't want to do And
then Amy called him and said, we're casting you. And
when they met, he had shaved his head. So one
of the reasons she loved him for the role is
he had this big, thick, glossy hair. He's got great
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hair now, but in the movie he doesn't. And Amy's like,
why would you do that? And he said, well, Amy,
I didn't hear from you. I thought my career was open,
and I was like, I've got to shake things up.
And then he goes And then I watched Forrest Gump.
You know how Forest Gump shaved his head out a
brittany moment, and so that's written into the script. There's
that scene later on when Cher and Josh are sitting
at the table. He makes a joke about her clothes
and she says, well, you look like Forrest Gump and
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he takes his cap off and that's his cap, his
real cap.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Of course it is because they had no budget. Their
relationship is so fascinating because it's such a risky romantic
relationship to play because their ex step siblings, and production
actually wanted to change that because I were like, this
is weird, it's a bit incestuous. And then Amy said, well,
my grandparents were except siblings, so we're going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
This Amy, that's not the flex you thing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It worked though, Like I feel like you watched that movie,
you get a bit weirded out, but then you're so
badly rooting for both of these people to be together
that you completely ignore all the problem made nature of
their dynamic.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think that they you try and really drill home
in the script, especially with Cher's dad, now who that
is a pitch perfect performance from him.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Excares me so much, Like I I love his character.
He's like, chare what is that it's a dress says
who Kevin Kline go put something on and she's like, duh,
just gunna.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Or she's like, so we go to Malibuy this weekend.
See those degenerates, Well they are your parents. Also, it's
so funny when you hear the cast talk about him,
they're just like he was actually the nicest.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Actor they'd ever worked with. It he was so lovely, but.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
That you just picture going, daddy, this is my friend, TI,
get out of my chair. But then also like they
really got a links to show that, as Chare says,
but you were barely even married to his mother, and
there was five years ago you wives, not children, which
is super lovely of him.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're just gonna quote the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Doesn't thing. It's the most quotable movie. I feel like
if you said to me, now, can you recite that
movie from intro to end?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I would kind of be able to do it. Yeah,
I just I won't do it now. But the microphone want.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
My mystery between the characters are so good because generally speaking,
that like character of that dad would be so terrifying,
him so scared, you would assume that his daughter would
be so scared. To like do wrong by him, and
you just see scenes of him like yelling at her
and she's just like fixing his tie. It's so sweet.
Like the love she has for everyone that character, regardless
(14:23):
of how they like like her or not, is just
done so well, which is why the tension between her
and Ti when we get to that part we'll talk
about more, but like it makes it so much bigger
than what it really is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, exactly. So I know we're moving around, but you
guys have seen the movie. Yeah, but the setup of
the character in this world is so incredible. So one
is that, like, obviously it was the nineties, so it
was very big then for like teenagers to be like
really grungey looking. And that was also not just the
aesthetic for teenagers, it was the aesthetic for like pop culture.
And then Amy Heckleen wanted to kind of flip that
on its nose and have these teenagers who lived in
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this glossy, unattainable world with their like designer outfits going
to school and hills, having their phones and their cars
and stuff. And the first intro to that we have
is that iconic scene where Shur goes to pick up
Dion and they're both wearing the world's most incredible Here's
where Diane lives. She's my friend because we both know
what it's like to have people be jealous of us, girlfriend,
(15:17):
and I must give her snaps from her courageous fashion efforts.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Hey share.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Diana and I were both named after great singers of
the past who now do infomercials. Justice for Cher who
hadn't had her being Comeback Believes song yet, and also
learning about, like the character shares kind of tragic backstory
that her mother died during a fluke vipro resection appointment.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They're trying to make it really funny, and I was like, oh,
as a child, I was like.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh, I know, I guess that that day is very
kind of a Disney thing to have, like you not
have your mother and have a grumpy and grumpya. That's
also that line where she's going up to her mother's big,
beautiful portrait and they're kind of sitting on her backstory
where we get like one of those first bits of
dialogue that we still use today, where she was isn't
my mama total Betty? And did you notice later on
(16:01):
where she goes why is thy hanging out? With those Barnies.
So that's a Flintstone reference, you know, like the og
Flintstones cartoon, how you had Betty and Barney Rubble, and
so the idea was that Betty was this beautiful bombshell
and Barney was kind of like a nothing guy.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So you call a hot girl.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
He was no Fread, Yeah, exactly, Fread was hot.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
We all know it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Cartoon, And I feel like that's a thing that people
still say Betty and Barney and you instantly know what.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They're talking immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I actually thought, by the time I was an adult,
I would have a computer that would pick out my outfits.
I know there's apps that do it for you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Technology has really done us an injustice since clearless. I know,
like I genuinely thought I'd have my little Mac desktop
and I'd have all the time in the world. In
the morning, you have to go up to it, let
it load, let it overheat, and then get it to
either like pick my outfit or randomize. Yeah, And I'm like, oh,
it was just so like I can't even explain to
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you what it felt like watching that on my laptop
as a teenager. I was just like, oh my god,
this is what the cool Girls do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And I was like, that will be me one day.
You're still waiting.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We kind of get to the high school, and this
is I think so important because so many other movies
have borrowed from this scene, which is the kind of
the flip around introducing like the stoners and this and that.
Like obviously they do it really famously in Mean Girls,
but it's such this quick way to really set the
tone of the school hierarchy and where Share and Dion
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sit in it.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That first initial scene is the one that everyone's memorized
of them both walking into the school in those outfits.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
There's something like over one hundred different types of ploid
used in the movie, and most of them for Share
and also a moment for Dion and the hat and
they come out. Also, I love in the drive to
school when Share is just first of all, she shouldn't
be in that car, she's only got a permit. A
second of all, she smashes into a pop plant.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
This sort of made me really confused about like the
driving legalities in the US.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think maybe she's technically allowed to drive with the permit.
I don't know, guys, takes one, you know what I
can safely say is that she shouldn't be knocking over
things and she shouldn't be runn stop signs. But that's
also one of the most quotable parts of the movie.
Whatever I've had, any little suggest still say, I still
say they're going out of nowhere, or when Dean goes hello,
there was a stop sign. What I totally passed and
(18:27):
I totally passed yes with the outfits because it is
such a shaping part of the movie. So the costumes
were designed by Mona May, who is really absolute incredible
costume designer. I think we owe so much of what
we see on screen and the most iconic outfits in
cinema to her, because she also did the costume design
for Romey Michelle's high school reera.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and she says that, like romy Michelle was kind
of like a continuation flueless, which I absolutely love because
once she said that quote, I saw it immediately. I
was like, Yes, this is it. I'm obsessed with the
skirt and the jacket that Share and Dionne wear when
they walk into school because I feel like that's the
costume that always gets picked for Halloween. Yeah, it's a
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costume that's always get picked for like dresser parties over
any other outfit in the movie. And that scene of
them just walking in and finding out that Mona struggled
really hard to find the perfect color because she's like,
yellow can be like sunshine, but can also be jaundice,
and you have to get it completely right. And they
tried her and blue, and they tried her in red,
and the yellow was the one that stood out for
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the yellow.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So you know what I so love is that Alicia
Silverson has that outfit she and she pulls it out
in commercials, she pulls it out for TikTok, she did
it on that lip sync battle. She recently honor of
the thirtieth anniversary recreated that ooh with her son sun Bear. Now, look,
that woman has got a lot of flack over the years,
(19:51):
and some of it fair. I'm just gonna say, love
her to death. She pedals some dangerous health information, but
she got raked over the coals when she revealed that
she used to feed there from her mouth, just the
bird feeding thing, because she's kind of like a very
kind of health conscious granola mom.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And I was like, can share horror with just live?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I know I have a confession. What your mom fed
you from her mouse?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, so you know how like my background's Indian. Yeah,
so you obviously can't give your children like straight up
chili curry when they're born. So what my mom used
to do, she would take like the bits of meat,
suck out all the spice, and then sloppy chicken from you.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And bear silver Stone. So I'm like, leave.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Her alone just because she says it out loud, like
moms do whatever to get their kids to eat. I'm
just telling you that right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Now exactly Silverstone's parenting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I was like, not on my watch. Then she's like,
maybe don't get.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sack stained, and I'm like, oh, I can't follow you there,
but the rest of the stuff, I'm on board with you.
I'm bored with you anyway. So that's that's neat here
on air. And then yes, we have the introduction of
Tie coming to school as the loser transfer girl, and
Brittany Murphy's wearing like a graphic T shirt she's got
They've put like just a red almost like a gel
through her hair so they could like wash it out later,
(21:17):
and Dionne and Chair take her on as little charity project,
which she is on board with and I understand.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, Dionn is like the crowd favorite. She's like acting
as us the audience going what's going on? But what
share Dionne did to Tie is what the movie she
is all that was trying to achieve the.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Whole Really, wow, explain your hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I feel like Clueless was the first true makeover transformation
that I actually believed. Yes, like Tye, we were introduced
to her and I was like, oh, yeah, this is
like a geeky kid, Like what can they do to
make her like the beautiful popular girl in that like
stereotypical way. And they did it, and she was beautiful
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and stereotypical and popular, and I was like, and I
see it, Like it wasn't like a beautiful girl in disguise,
even though Brittany Murphy's is absolutely stunning, but they really
made you believe that, Yeah, she was a geeky girl
and like there's nothing you can do to change that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, that is so true because they.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Saw that where she was just wearing glasses.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
She's beautiful, which I love when they parody that. Not
another team movie. They just take up her glasses, like
and we're done.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We're done.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I know, it's such an iconic makeover scene where they yeah,
wash the head, eye out, and like do her makeup
and hair, and they start even doing like body exercises
and stuff and I'm a Supermodel plays just an iconic
song and yet you really see it. It's also kind
of interesting in a way that like it kind of
flips throughout the movie because Chaer is meant to be
kind of like the guiding light for Tie, the.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Fish out of water.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But it's like goes to show like how none of
these characters like Cookie Cutter, because Tie is actually the
more worldly one in a way, like there's so many also,
so many references I didn't get as a kid. When
they're talking about things like coke and she's like, no, shit,
you guys got coke here. She's like, yeah, this is America,
And I'm like, as an adult, my gosh, she wasn't
talking about Coca cola. But also when she's so shocked
that shares a virgin, which is another thing because yeah,
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which is an insult that comes up later, but when
they have that first thing, should share you're a virgin,
and she was like, you know how it's picky out
at my shoes and they only got my feet. I'm like,
so true, it's true. But also it's kind of interesting
because usually the popular girl in that kind of movie
in the nineties would be seen as like the over
sexualized and being a virgin.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Finding after all the boys. Yeah, and immediately you know
that she's not standing for any like teenage boy, like
you're like high school boys grows Yeah, and I'm like, wait,
high school boys are gross? Yeah, and am I trying
to make them fall in love with me?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
She was just like I think I'm just gonna wait
because I think I'm better than this. And you're like, actually, yeah,
like this is such an important high school movie. I
don't know why gian's going out with the high school boy.
They're like dogs. You have to clean them and feed them.
They're just like these nervous creatures that jump it slaver
all over.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You, eh, off of me.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
She's a freaking feminist icon because saying like, yeah, like
we're so picky about our shoes, we should be also
picky about the people we have sex with.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And it's like she's talking the truth.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Also, like my man is setis fat, but technically I'm
a virgin.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Me as a five year old.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Being like.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Satisfied.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I was like, these girls are my people. We're on
the same level so much that I know about, like
sex and drugs and stuff. I'm just really thinkin from clueless,
like these women raised me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And I only found that on my second watch when
I was about eighteen. When I was thirteen, I was
just like this is cool, and my second and my
second watch, I was like, oh shit, yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's all coming full circle though, and then we sees
Tires start to evolve to become the popular girl. I
also loved that first time that she's trying to teach
her how to speak properly and she's like, you can
say something like sporadically. And the first time she introduces
her to Josh, he's like, I'll be seeing you and
she's like, yeah, I hope not sporadically. It's like changing
all her like not just who she is, but how
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she speaks, how she thinks, which evolves to not a
good place as the movie goes along.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, does not evolve. She becomes really really mean, but
you can tell at her core she's still has like
those deep like original needs, like how she was always
just pining after Travis. Yeah, and no matter who, like
Chaer tried to set her up where she's like, no, like,
she originally just wanted Travis, and then she like had
a crash on Josh, but then she realized she didn't
actually like Josh. Someone else liked Josh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. I mean, oh my god, just a moment for
Travis Breckenmeier.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I love that band.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I was watching him do some interviews lately and he's like,
obviously looks a lot older now, but he still.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Has that breck and Meyer smile that I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, he did his own stunts. Important to say
in the movie rode to skateboard, but also he said
that he was a lot older than Brittany Murphy, well
a couple of years older, because she was the youngest
wife bit. And he was saying that he just saw
her as a little sister and he loved her so much.
And that's why in that final scene when a lot
of different couples are kissing, he leans over and kisses
her on the forehead and he was supposed to kiss
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her on the lips. That was in the script, and
on the day he was like, I'm not kissing my.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Little sister on the lips. Sorry, not happening.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He's like, I know how much you like in.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Movie, but I will not buy by taking in the incest.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He took a stand against incests.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
He took a stand against incest. I have to talk
about my favorite scene.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Oh, what's your favorite scene?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's not my favorite scene, but it's the scene.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, obviously every scene her favorite scene. So what's
the one you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It sticks out the most to me when Cher and
Elton are at the DMB in like the dark and it's nighttime,
and then she rejects him, so he leaves her there,
and it's like, up until then, you're still seeing all
this like positivity around her, right, like so many things
are going wrong for her, Like she's failing her driving test,
it's not happening, Like her friends are kind of being
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weird with her, and she's still so happy and positive
and challenge energy. And she gets mugged.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's like the most.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Low stakes mugging I've ever seen, to the point where
she gets up and she's not even like super super rattle.
She just like walks over to the payphone and calls
Josh to get her to pick up and she's like,
I got totally mugged.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So good again pulled from Emma. I think in the book,
it's like Emma's doing a painting and afterwards she's like,
but you wanted the portrait of her, and she's like,
He's like.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
The portrait you painted.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And then in this she's like, but you have a
photo of Tie hanging your locker, the photo you took.
So he basically assaults her like and then yeah, I
love that sim Josh coming to pick her up. Fun fact,
I think you know this, Paul Rudd was mugged, like
the day before.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Get a break.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
First of all, his share Amy was just following.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He really had to have a rough time in this movie.
He's trying to make him.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Still the same person who filmed Clueless, Filled ant Man,
Quantum Manium.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
They're so scared of Paul Rudd that like, we can't
leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We have to follow, we have.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
To look after him. So yeah, Paul Rud shaved his head.
He looks ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's wearing the cap. He that's how he really dances.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You know the scene they're taken to the nightclub and
they're like he's talking to the bouncer and then he's
doing the shoulder. That's how he really dances.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Such a dag. I love a dag.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, he's such a dag.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And yeah so and he also looks the exact same.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's wild, it doesn't. It's the same for doing the
Lord's work.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I just follow he needs to be studied.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So a few days before they film that scene, Paul
Rod was mugged and his backpack was taken and in
the backpack was the script for Clueless.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
To say that mugg I don't remember, and.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That was wrong. Don't you remember? The one scene he's
able to nail is a mugging scene because he knew
exactly how it happened.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That was me days ago, and I also didn't want
to lie down in my outfit.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm like, I'm just saying that mugger.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I didn't know the goal they possessed of having the
unreleased Clueless script in Paul Rod's stolen backpack, so he
had a hard time. So that was rough for him,
but he pulled it together to film the scene. I
do love that scene where he comes to pick up
because he's got his college hook up in the car,
and that's when we get that moment where you see
that Share is like it's almost like a line through
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to legally blonde. It's like you're really smart in a
different way. That's not just like remembering a textbook or something,
because it's like that whole thing of Ellwood's having a
bit of street smart, so knowing how long a perm
takes to set that makes her the winner. And Share
has a very similar thing where the girl in the
car is underscript college girls. How I think of her?
I actually think her name might be eighty In the
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movie anyway, nondescripted villain college girl is in the car
with Josh and she's obviously like one of those very snooty,
pretentious kind of college girls.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
She's like trying to take the piss out of Share and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Being like to Share like obviously like cocked her as
being like a blonde bimbo.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
This girl just got mugged.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
She just got sexually assaulted and mugged. And then she's like,
you look dumb, so I'm gonna roast you. And then
they have that really iconic moment where she quotes Hamlet
and Chaer sees her moment and was like, that's not
what he said. And she like, I think I remember
Hamlet accurately, and then you see Share just be like
in her eyes like I've got her and be like,
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I think I remember mel Gibson accuarly. And he didn't
say that, that polonious guy did.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
And that's the end of Josh's date.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So good, and that's a minute. You see, Oh there's
going to happen, be something with Sharon Josh.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, there's a few different dynacs in the story where
things are interesting, and it's mostly really that whole thing
with Schaer and Josh and Ty that is like the
pivotal love story.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Once she realized Christian is gay. Fucking love that character.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Also, as a kid, I didn't understand that he's model
of Frank Sinatra. Yeah, oh my god, he is. He
just kind of comes into the room and does this
and like kind of like the flip of the suit
jacket and like the way he walks.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, So that's his character is meant to be like
a Frank sanch translator.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And how he was like talking to Josh a lot
at the house.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, and she's like come on, let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, oh my god, love it. That is the best,
or the scene where they go into the highway where
she finds out Josh's gay. But also that is just
also a shout out to Donald Fason as Murray because
he is so good breakout and like his.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Character after that, like in Scrubs, like I just feel
like he just made it like his whole career. He's
just so so funny. By that highway scene where they're
just like screaming and screeching like down the highway and
all the cars.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Just yeah, I mean again, everyone, this's movie relates to
real life. Like I feel like everything has happened in
this movie is somehow you either use a lingo relate
to it. Because that was me the first time I
arrived in Sydney, I got lost in my car. I've
been driving all night to get from Brisbane to Sydney.
I arrived in Senior accidentally got it onto the Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I couldn't me go over the.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Harbor bridges Dion going on the highway. I was screaming
in my car. But that's also where we find out
that Christian's a cake boy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He's a friend of Dorothy.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I guess as a kid. It's so fucking funny and
I wish had three hours. I just wanted to do
like a whole podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I wish character we should pitch to Mama Maya. Yeah,
Brudley on his review, but it's like us actually watching
it and then pausing it and then yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's a five hour podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I feel like I'm just saying I feel like they'd
be on board.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, if you spend the whole day and a half doing.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The views, will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I feel like so as Ty, we kind of see
that she kind of lets this popular new level that
she's in go to her head.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
It's that classic story of it's almost like a Frankenstein
story of your own creation becomes too powerful and turns
against you. It's like a Frankenstein story or like My
Fair Lady, or even like x Markner or something where you.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Or Splice or something like.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's very sci fi Esquetaway storytelling of you create this
being to be this idolized thing, and then they become
too powerful and then they overthrow you to an extent.
And so it's when Cher realizes that Ty has feelings
for Josh that really sets her off, which leads to
the iconic line.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You're a virgin who can't drive still the ultimate burn.
And I think also that's where you first see Share
like suddenly get pulled out of her positive butterflies and
rainbows like facad that she's had on, because then she
just immediately her face drops and she was like way harsh, Tie.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah that was weir harsh Ti, and like he's a
poor she was dropped.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was like, You're meant to be like the fun,
happy girl and now you're a sad girl.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think that's the beauty of this movie not being
like a kind of it could have just been like
a frivolous, like high school story, and it's got so
much heart behind it because you just see like how
broken Share is it? That of having her friends say
that to her as a fun fact too. Brittany Murphy
at the time was a virgin who couldn't drive. She
ne a license and not six yet.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
How we all as a twenty nine year old virgin,
you can't drive.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So yeah, she said.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
At the time, Brittany Murphy was like, as I was
saying it, she was like, Oh, this is me, and
it's meant to be the worst thing you can say
to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
She's also like seventeen at the time, so these are
like these defining moments in her like childhood, are like
literally gonna live with her for the rest of the life,
which like, is this really the best of something I
can give her? And they're like, yeah, it's the worst
thing that can ever happen, something that could She's like
really and they're like, yes, say it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Say it's like literally the worst and you could say
to a.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Woman exactly just the worst.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And then she said she's anyway, I'm outing, which is
a word that still gets used.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I don't care what may just say.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
As we go along, then we have that moment to
build up at the end where you see chaer like
she's got her inner monolog going and she's walking through
the streets of Beverly Hills and shops spine outfit, which
is important. And then she was like, Josh, why does
she want him? He's just a slug who lies around
the house or day and can't dance. And then it
cuts that scene of Paul run in the car and
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she's like, he's kind of a Baldwin, which weird to
think that that's an Alec Baldwin, Stephen and Adam Baldwin,
like because the Baldwin brothers were the hot things of
the time, so.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Like what were they doing though when they were actors?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Like the Baldwin brothers Sea of hot.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I know you look at Alec Baldwin and Stephen Baldwin
Adam Baldwin now and think that, but like this is
the do you know?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Because when I see them, I think all I think
of is like SML you know what I mean, Like
I missed that whole.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Like you know, so when you say someone's kind of
a bald woman's the opposite of a Barney. A Barney
rubble is an ugly looking guy, and in the Clueless universe,
a bald woman is a super hot guy.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Wow, yeah, that is like great claim for them, I know,
remember running that high for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I know. So sometimes when I look at Ilaria Baldwin,
I actually think, did she just watch Clueless? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It was her whole beturning to be Spanish?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was it all just like Hailey changed her last name?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know, company she should be bover Ball like Bourburn's
and Clueless. It's so much better. So she's walking through
the streets and then she was like and then she's like, oh,
he's kind of a Baldwin. And then she's all of
a sudden and this is one of most iconic shots
in cinema where she's walking along and then she goes,
oh my god, I love Josh and the fountain lights
up behind her, and can I tell you I've been
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to that fountain.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It was my first the first time I went to.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm like, we have to find those photos.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Flora's share me.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I throw myself into the fountain crying.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I know. It's like I love Josh too, Josh doo.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's so yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It is really cute of how she has that moment
if she loves Josh and she's like, I'm completely in
love with Josh. But then we don't have that kind
of quick payoff because then we have that awkward kind
of build up into their first kiss.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, oh my god, okay the first kiss.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I was like watching this as a teenager. I was
literally the minute she says I love Josh, I thought
I'd have like this big moment going yes, you do,
you do? But as a teenager, I was like, do you.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, that's the thing. It's actually quite the incredible plot
twist because it's so perfectly done.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
It's like such a slow burn.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And again he's like this annoying guy who thinks that
she is kind of the thing is he never actually
thinks she's dumb, which I think is to his credit.
They kind of do build up their relationship in a
really interesting way that it's such a slow burn. It's
such a slow build. It's so carefully peppered throughout the
script that in that moment where she has that realization
of I love Josh and the fountain lines up, you
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as the viewer perfectly sync to have that realization with her,
and that is nearly impossible at a movie to do, to
have the character and the audience realize something so perfectly
at the same time. Yeah, it's working on levels we
can't even understand.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And I think also by having that storyline of they
are like extepsibly yeah, it's always as a like a
caveat of like, oh, that will never be a romantic thing.
So you're always in the back of your head saying, no,
this is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Even though they're really not fine, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, And not even sep feilings that even live together
that lot.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
No, no, no, So he just does like the accounts.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah. So then we have the thing where they're like
having a little flirt at the table share accidentally marks
the wrong calls in the files. A lawyer that means
her father's associate yells at her, which I feel like,
I feel like, hopefully that guy got fired the nextent.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, I know your place, your place, sir.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
The real learn of this movie the paralegal at the table.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
At the dad's dinner table.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So then we have just a beautifully framed shot of
Josh and Cher sitting on the stair on that beautiful
curved staircase with the two entrances, and you had that
build up where he's talking to her and Tom trying
to make her feel better, and it's a moment two
where it's like you kind of do believe they're going
to be together, for he's not just in love with
her because she thinks she's pretty. He's like in love
with who she is in that moment, and that's what
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she realizes. And I'm going to say that kiss where
she's like, you think I'm beautiful and he's like, you know,
you're gorgeous, could you ever care about me?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And then that kiss Top five Hollywood Kisses for Me
where he leans right over, grabs her and pulls her
hair like gently, and like how they had that passionate kiss.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
It's hot. It's really hot, so hot watching this like
over and over again as a teenagers just like it is.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The ultimate movie kiss. Like the chemistry is off the
charts and it's so funny. That clip as like I'm
sure you can guess what happened next, and it cuts
to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, the teacher's wedding.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, and again she put together Yeah again. I wish
we could have talked about the teacher because also Wallace Sean,
who plays this so good. I know, it's so funny
because he's such a renowned, critically acclaimed actor and writer
and stage actor, and he's like people just can't to
me all the time being like I Loved You and
Clueless and The Princess Briane and he's like thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I was like I love you and gossip Girl. It
was great, but like, yeah, a big plot point that
we didn't get to cover much was like shares, Like
big thing is like she's a really good matchmaker. Yeah,
and she was doing really bad in school, so she
put her teachers together to kind of like convince them
to give her better grade, which is also what her
dad is really proud of her for for being able
to like talk away into better grades.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Share.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What's this all about?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
The same semester?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Uh? Huh? What do you do turn in some extra
credit reports?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Did you take the mid terms over?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
You mean to tell me that you argued your way
from a C plus to an A minus.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Totally based on my powers of persuasion?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Are you proud? Honey? I couldn't be happier than if
they were based on real grades.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But they actually did fall in love and they had
the wedding at the m.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, and then they get married at the end. And
again also.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Wallace, is she.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
For her teachers?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Okay, well she got them together? And again, so much
of Wallace Shawn. He has so much good dialogue as
mister Hall and this, and he's also the one who
facilitates one of the most iconic scenes, which we don't
really a time onto touch, where they had the debate
where she accidentally says share in her speech before she
delivers the iconic. It does not say RSVP on the
Statue of Liberty, where she accidentally says Haitians and she
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said that, So Alicia Silverstone didn't know how to pronounce
that world, which is fine, which is fine.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
She was a young girl at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
She didn't know, and so she said that and everyone
went to jump in and correct her, and Amy Heckling
is like, don't, don't nor when say anything to her.
We're keeping it in the movie because she's like the
chhare would probably say that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Word wrong too.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Oh that's so cue.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
So we cut to the wedding, which is funny because
that's how the studio want of the movie tend.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
First of all, they were like, oh, we kind of incests,
and then.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
They're like, but if we do keep the step sibling
incest or what if they get married? And Amy Heckling
was like no, and that's why there's that thing of
as if yeah, I'm only seventeen, this is not Kentucky.
So then we have the wedding scene. So they could
have the wedding that people wanted, it just wouldn't be
Share and Josh's wedding.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Because that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So we have misguys and I should say that actress
is called Twink Kaplan. Oh, her name is Twink. She's
really good friends with Amy Heckling. She's also a producer
on the movie, and they've done many movies together since,
so they're two besties. The wedding dress she's wearing is
so kind of opulently created, and the bodice is so
tight that she couldn't sit down the whole day of filming.
(42:00):
They had to get one of those old fashioned standing
boards for her that like ladies back in the day
would have so she could lean.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Oh my gosh, So just like pretty much every bride.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, you're like so everybody who's ever gotten married.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
That's why you never if you really think about it,
have you ever seen a bride sit down?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
No, never, No, not in all my days have I
seen a bride sit down?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Always standing.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
This is actually the last day of filming. So if
you kind of look around as they pan the camera around,
a lot of people look quite sad, and the boys
so bracking, Maya Donald Face and and Paul d the hotties,
the three hotties get a giggle fit, and so they
couldn't finish filming. So there's a thing where Murray goes,
I'm bugging and Josh goes, I'm bugging myself.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So that wasn't bug that wasn't the script.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
That was just Paul Rod kind of just talking, so
trying to be cool with the kids.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Seemed that he was a kid too, but he had dad,
and it.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Was just always fifty in my head.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's fifty forever fifty year old with the face of
a twenty year old.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And so you can see in the.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Movie that they all just start cracking up, laughing, and
that's what really happened. And they kept saying like, we've
got to get the shot, guys, like that wasn't the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We've got to get the shot.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And then after all Amy's like, just let them go,
like it's fine, And so they film that the sun
went down and it was over.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
So I think this is probably for the production where
you get another to share Josh getting married, because like
the bouquet gets tossed and Share catches there and Josh
kisses her, and I think that was like a little
tick box for them. Yeah, exactly, you get like we
made you happy there. They will get married eventually.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And I feel like they did.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
They did you think, so, I feel like they did
get married. Oh my god, I'm so glad we never
saw that. I know, people get well.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
There was Clueless the TV show. After that they were.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I know some people loved the Clueless TV Show. I
personally didn't. I find it interesting that pretty much the
whole cast except Alicia's Silverstone went into the TV show.
If that's what you loved, that's fine, but it wasn't me.
And I feel like they're getting so pressured to make
Clueless too, and I just I feel we're in this
dangerous time now of reboots where that could actually happen,
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and I really hope they don't.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's such a perfect movie. Let it be where so
many of them.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Aren't even in the industry anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, well, I know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I Stacey Dashy plays Dan, who is incredible in the
She's also the only one who brought you twenty seven
with a six year old child, but she was just
so good they cast.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Isn't she like a politician? She's conservative?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Wild we problem, but this is what I mean. We
just can't sometimes we have to just leave it.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Just live in the time.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
But Clueless such a good movie thirty years on.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
And still a perfect, perfect.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Everyone needs to go rewatch it. As we mentioned before
in the beginning, obviously spoilers in this episode, but just spoilers.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Surely watched Clueless by now you're thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Years to watch it the first time ever.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
We didn't say spoilers at the top, which is like
she had thirty years.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, so that's on you. I don't think I've ever
met someone who hasn't watched Clueless. No, I honestly don't
think I have.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I haven't either. We'll have to find them and then.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
No, I don't want to sit them down. I don't
want people.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
We'll play our Briodley Onnest review first, I can watch
it after.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So I don't want anyone in my life who hasn't
watched Clueless. That's a deal Breaker's that's Brogan's favorite movie.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, So that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Is our brutally honest review of Clueless thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
But we've done it. We love doing our really honest reviews.
We've done a whole bunch of them, so if you
haven't caught up, please go up in our feed to
find them. We'll put a link to a bunch of
them in our show notes. But Thanks so much for
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
From Mama Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop
culture fixed. I'm m Burnham and I and Laura Brodnick
and we have a very special episode today.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Clueless
que Kids in America.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The theme song that kicks it all off, looking.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Out the dudio window outside the Guards in the City.
Girl as You Buy.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay, so obviously Clueless is one of the greatest movies
ever created. And it came out thirty years ago. Well
technically last week, but we had a bit on It
came out thirty years ago in a week long span. Now,
I should say the whole premise of brutally honest reviews
is that we do the review the week of release
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for a TV show or a movie.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I must.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Apologize that we are late on this one. We should
have done it thirty years ago, and that's on us.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's on us. We apologize. I'm so sorry for not
being born yet.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, we apologize because it wasn't born. I was a child,
and that's on us. That's on We're gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Here and we're going to do better. But we thought this.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Week everyone is talking about the movie again. Everyone's writing
think pieces and reviews, the cast is doing interviews.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's all over TikTok with.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
People doing like their favorite memories of this movie, because
this is a movie that has shaped multiple generations. And
then we thought we're not going to let our mistake
of being not born in a child get in the
way of a brutally honest review of one of the
greatest movies ever.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, so we're thirty years late, but it's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I should say.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean, I've watched this movie too many times to count.
Do you remember the first time you watched it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was thirteen. Oh, okay, I think I was still
a bit too young to fully understand.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, that's the beauty of the caveats.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Also, because teenagers in the nineties were way different to
teenagers now, Like I didn't understand a lot of like
the sexual innuendos and like the smoking and the fashion.
A lot of it was I was very confused. But
I remember illegally streaming it on my laptop that was
like overheating on my like my bedroom and I had
(03:09):
my posters or like Jesse McCartney and the Jonist brothers.
But I watched it because it was like the cool
girl thing to do. Yeah, like because I was in
year seven and all the older girls were like quoting Clueless,
even though they were much too young to also be
in that like zygeist time, but they were like quoting Clueless,
and I was like, oh, cool girls watch Clueless and
(03:30):
I have to watch CI the Case today still hold
up till this day.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, because it's still a banger over movie.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
When it was the first time you watched it, do.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know what, I have no memory because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's always been there.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's always been in my life. I think I watched
it before I had proper consciousness, Like I watched it
as a small child.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Maybe you did do it as a child, and then
so you have actually no excuse to not do it
really exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, I should have as a small child, and it
came out in nineteen ninety five. I should I should
have got on the mic then, but no, my sister
and I just watched it on a VHS tape over
and over and over again, and it was just always there,
like a Disney movie. I don't remember the first time
I watched it. I don't remember not having it in
my life. And it's so funny because we watched it
so many times and it's obviously not a kid's movie,
but my mum was okay with that, and my other
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sisters six years younger than us, and so she watched
it with us, and her first day of like kindergarten,
they said to everyone, get up and say so about
your family, and Lucy started reciting the whole clueless movie
word for word was so inappropriate for KINDI Lucy gets.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Up and she's like, you're a virgin who can't do
if she.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Did, she knew the whole movie, and needless to say.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
My mum got a call.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That is how much this movie is meant to so
many people. So we're going to get into it, and
we're starting from the beginning. So the movie was created
by Amy Heckling, who brilliant.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Brilliant, so she wrote and directed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes, we owe that woman so much.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So basically she was kind of shaping teen movies at
the time, and she was known for being able to
basically deliver a big box office hit. So she'd previously
done Fast Times at Richemont High, another iconic movie wildly
unsuitable for children that I grew up with. She did.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I'm also look who's talking.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, the woman's a genius.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So what happens in Hollywood a lot of the time
is like when you have a few, especially back in
the day, a few big box office hits, you get
like a bit of.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
A blank check.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whether they'll say to you, we want this particular movie,
go and create it. So Amy Heckling was tasked with
making a movie that would appeal to teenagers on a
mass degree, and she had remembered reading the book Emma
by Jane Austen as a teenager.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Great book, Great book.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I actually gifted that book to my sister for her
birthday this year twenty two. She's never read it before.
One of those limited edition covers you need, you.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Have to know E three girl has to read Emma.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Such clueless is some people say loosely adapted, and I
guess it is because very different time periods, but it
follows the plot pretty much beat for me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, I feel like if you know the inspiration was
from Emma, then you see it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah was.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
If you didn't know that, you don't really see it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Those whole storylines, characters and relationship. It's pretty much Amy
Heckling took the man. Yeah exactly. Well that this spawned
a whole lord then of teenage adaptation of classic stories
and like like how ten Things I Hate about You?
As Taming of the Shrew and all that sort of stuff.
So it's based on Emma, follows it very closely and
(06:26):
as Amy Heckling was writing the script. Every time she
said an article came out with like this is the
new slang the teens are saying, she would save it
so she could build up the script because clueless is
really no one for really creating a whole language that
we still use today. She also when sat in on
classes at like Beverly Hills High and stuff like that
to see how the teens were talking. And as she
(06:46):
was writing the script, she would jump on her treadmill
and watch Aerosmith music videos and that is where she
saw Alicia Silverstone for the first time. So Amy was
watching Aerosmith music videos to you know, get her through
her exercise, and she kept seeing AlSi in them and
just thinking, that's share that's the lead of my movie.
So when she turned the script into the studio, she
(07:07):
turned in the script and she turned in a fox
of Alicia Silverstone and she said, basically, the movie is
these words and she says them, and that's it. That's
the pitch, and that turned out to be correct.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I love that I've gone into a full deep dive
of Amy because I think she's absolutely brilliant and I
think she also paved the way for so many of
our favorite like female directors like Greta and Emerald and stuff,
and I think she's just like part of that crew
in my head. And I love like hearing the passion
behind the character for Share, because what I really like
(07:40):
about Share as a character is that she's constantly happy
and positive and she never annoys you, yes, And I
feel like so many people try to have that typical
woman trope of always being the ditsy, happy, fun, quirky,
positive woman, and then it becomes so overdone that you
just get pissed off at these characters. And she's a
(08:02):
character that is so unique that you never get pissed
off at her constantly being positive exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And the thing is, in any other movie, she would
kind of be the villain, like the beautiful, blonde, popular
girl at school with the money and the wardrobe and
all that sort of stuff. Like usually that's the foil
for the more kind of goofy doesn't know she's beautiful,
who gets a make over kind of lead character in
a teen movie, So to make her the lead but
also make her kind and lovable and also make you
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feel like so protective over her, and I feel like
that is what Alicia Silverstone brought to the role because
she's also very anti like being a Hollywood star, being
that cool girl like There's sixty four. I think it
is costume changes in the movie just for her, Yeah,
just for her character, because the fashion is such a
huge part.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's all designer and it was like a two hundred
thousand dollars budget just for the fashion and they still
went over budget and had to beg designers to let
them borrow Clowes.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, all the way through them. Had to do them
like favors, right, they had to fail in.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Return, like name drop them in the script, and the
script became so iconic that like you don't even tell
that it's actually a brand deal.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I know. That's why when she's getting monks, he's like
get on the floor. She's like, so this isn't a liar.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And he's like, what is that? She's like a really
important DECI he as like.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
A child in like a tiny town in North Queens
and being like a liar important. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I still check got it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, every time I see any sort of a liar thing,
I'm just like, I think of that line. It just yeah,
it just works so well with her character. But Alicia
talked about the fact that she hated all the costume
changes and she hated like the glitz and glamor, and
she and she was hated girls like share at school
and so she really tried to play her the opposite
of that. And also she was like, she's like, I know,
the costumes are important, and they helped me get into
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the character, but it's not the vibe. The casting of
this movie is elite. Should we just say elite?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
What I love about this movie is that it was
a lot of like taking chances on the cast, Like
a lot of them this was their breakout role. A
big one was Brittany Murphy. And I feel like, and
I feel like I can say this like up until
her unfortunate death when in her early thirties, she was
the massive breakout star from the show and she was
so so successful after that. She did like Uptown Girls,
(10:09):
She had did like massive blockbuster hits. And it's really
hard to talk about this movie in like a light
that doesn't also cover the darkness that happened in her
life and after that, because it is such a sad
story about what happened, especially that we don't actually know.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, everything that's happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
But I also love because a lot of the cast,
they always get asked about this. They do so many
interviews and they all speak really beautiful about Brittany and
say that that's how they want to remember her. So
you and I did do an episode about her very
tragic death call link fad in the show notes that
has all the info I think. Now it's just really
nice to focus on like her legacy from this movie.
It's so interesting because obviously, like Alicia was already cast
when the movie went into production, so they would bring
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all the other cast members in to have chemistry reads
with her to see if they would get the part.
And when they're auditioning people for Tye, they had saw
all these actresses and then Alicia Silverstone tells a story
if she saw Britney Murphy walk in the door that day,
you know, one of her first big auditions, this like
goofy grid in her face, these big dough eyes just
like bounce into the room, and she said, she whipped
(11:09):
around to the producers and said, that's her.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's Tie. We don't even need to do the read.
They did.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The ring Amy was like I know, yea, yeah, he
was like, we know, so that was incredible casting, which
you got Paul Rudd for a second.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Who plays Josh Paul Rudd.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The funny thing about Paul Rudd is that I think
he was the only character in that whole movie that
wore his own clothes.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
The budget stopped at him, so he's pretty much Josh essentially.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's so funny because Paul Rod was trying to make
it Holy one at a time, and he went and
read for the part and heard nothing, and so he
had a career crisis and he's like, I'm never going
to be an actor. I don't want to do And
then Amy called him and said, we're casting you. And
when they met, he had shaved his head. So one
of the reasons she loved him for the role is
he had this big, thick, glossy hair. He's got great
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hair now, but in the movie he doesn't. And Amy's like,
why would you do that? And he said, well, Amy,
I didn't hear from you. I thought my career was open,
and I was like, I've got to shake things up.
And then he goes And then I watched Forrest Gump.
You know how Forest Gump shaved his head out a
brittany moment, and so that's written into the script. There's
that scene later on when Cher and Josh are sitting
at the table. He makes a joke about her clothes
and she says, well, you look like Forrest Gump and
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he takes his cap off and that's his cap, his
real cap.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Of course it is because they had no budget. Their
relationship is so fascinating because it's such a risky romantic
relationship to play because their ex step siblings, and production
actually wanted to change that because I were like, this
is weird, it's a bit incestuous. And then Amy said, well,
my grandparents were except siblings, so we're going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
This Amy, that's not the flex you thing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It worked though, Like I feel like you watched that movie,
you get a bit weirded out, but then you're so
badly rooting for both of these people to be together
that you completely ignore all the problem made nature of
their dynamic.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think that they you try and really drill home
in the script, especially with Cher's dad, now who that
is a pitch perfect performance from him.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Excares me so much, Like I I love his character.
He's like, chare what is that it's a dress says
who Kevin Kline go put something on and she's like, duh,
just gunna.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Or she's like, so we go to Malibuy this weekend.
See those degenerates, Well they are your parents. Also, it's
so funny when you hear the cast talk about him,
they're just like he was actually the nicest.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Actor they'd ever worked with. It he was so lovely, but.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
That you just picture going, daddy, this is my friend, TI,
get out of my chair. But then also like they
really got a links to show that, as Chare says,
but you were barely even married to his mother, and
there was five years ago you wives, not children, which
is super lovely of him.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're just gonna quote the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Doesn't thing. It's the most quotable movie. I feel like
if you said to me, now, can you recite that
movie from intro to end?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I would kind of be able to do it. Yeah,
I just I won't do it now. But the microphone want.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
My mystery between the characters are so good because generally speaking,
that like character of that dad would be so terrifying,
him so scared, you would assume that his daughter would
be so scared. To like do wrong by him, and
you just see scenes of him like yelling at her
and she's just like fixing his tie. It's so sweet.
Like the love she has for everyone that character, regardless
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of how they like like her or not, is just
done so well, which is why the tension between her
and Ti when we get to that part we'll talk
about more, but like it makes it so much bigger
than what it really is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, exactly. So I know we're moving around, but you
guys have seen the movie. Yeah, but the setup of
the character in this world is so incredible. So one
is that, like, obviously it was the nineties, so it
was very big then for like teenagers to be like
really grungey looking. And that was also not just the
aesthetic for teenagers, it was the aesthetic for like pop culture.
And then Amy Heckleen wanted to kind of flip that
on its nose and have these teenagers who lived in
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this glossy, unattainable world with their like designer outfits going
to school and hills, having their phones and their cars
and stuff. And the first intro to that we have
is that iconic scene where Shur goes to pick up
Dion and they're both wearing the world's most incredible Here's
where Diane lives. She's my friend because we both know
what it's like to have people be jealous of us, girlfriend,
(15:17):
and I must give her snaps from her courageous fashion efforts.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Hey share.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Diana and I were both named after great singers of
the past who now do infomercials. Justice for Cher who
hadn't had her being Comeback Believes song yet, and also
learning about, like the character shares kind of tragic backstory
that her mother died during a fluke vipro resection appointment.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They're trying to make it really funny, and I was like, oh,
as a child, I was like.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh, I know, I guess that that day is very
kind of a Disney thing to have, like you not
have your mother and have a grumpy and grumpya. That's
also that line where she's going up to her mother's big,
beautiful portrait and they're kind of sitting on her backstory
where we get like one of those first bits of
dialogue that we still use today, where she was isn't
my mama total Betty? And did you notice later on
(16:01):
where she goes why is thy hanging out? With those Barnies.
So that's a Flintstone reference, you know, like the og
Flintstones cartoon, how you had Betty and Barney Rubble, and
so the idea was that Betty was this beautiful bombshell
and Barney was kind of like a nothing guy.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So you call a hot girl.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
He was no Fread, Yeah, exactly, Fread was hot.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
We all know it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Cartoon, And I feel like that's a thing that people
still say Betty and Barney and you instantly know what.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They're talking immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I actually thought, by the time I was an adult,
I would have a computer that would pick out my outfits.
I know there's apps that do it for you.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Technology has really done us an injustice since clearless. I know,
like I genuinely thought I'd have my little Mac desktop
and I'd have all the time in the world. In
the morning, you have to go up to it, let
it load, let it overheat, and then get it to
either like pick my outfit or randomize. Yeah, And I'm like, oh,
it was just so like I can't even explain to
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you what it felt like watching that on my laptop
as a teenager. I was just like, oh my god,
this is what the cool Girls do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And I was like, that will be me one day.
You're still waiting.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We kind of get to the high school, and this
is I think so important because so many other movies
have borrowed from this scene, which is the kind of
the flip around introducing like the stoners and this and that.
Like obviously they do it really famously in Mean Girls,
but it's such this quick way to really set the
tone of the school hierarchy and where Share and Dion
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sit in it.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That first initial scene is the one that everyone's memorized
of them both walking into the school in those outfits.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
There's something like over one hundred different types of ploid
used in the movie, and most of them for Share
and also a moment for Dion and the hat and
they come out. Also, I love in the drive to
school when Share is just first of all, she shouldn't
be in that car, she's only got a permit. A
second of all, she smashes into a pop plant.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
This sort of made me really confused about like the
driving legalities in the US.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think maybe she's technically allowed to drive with the permit.
I don't know, guys, takes one, you know what I
can safely say is that she shouldn't be knocking over
things and she shouldn't be runn stop signs. But that's
also one of the most quotable parts of the movie.
Whatever I've had, any little suggest still say, I still
say they're going out of nowhere, or when Dean goes hello,
there was a stop sign. What I totally passed and
(18:27):
I totally passed yes with the outfits because it is
such a shaping part of the movie. So the costumes
were designed by Mona May, who is really absolute incredible
costume designer. I think we owe so much of what
we see on screen and the most iconic outfits in
cinema to her, because she also did the costume design
for Romey Michelle's high school reera.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and she says that, like romy Michelle was kind
of like a continuation flueless, which I absolutely love because
once she said that quote, I saw it immediately. I
was like, Yes, this is it. I'm obsessed with the
skirt and the jacket that Share and Dionne wear when
they walk into school because I feel like that's the
costume that always gets picked for Halloween. Yeah, it's a
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costume that's always get picked for like dresser parties over
any other outfit in the movie. And that scene of
them just walking in and finding out that Mona struggled
really hard to find the perfect color because she's like,
yellow can be like sunshine, but can also be jaundice,
and you have to get it completely right. And they
tried her and blue, and they tried her in red,
and the yellow was the one that stood out for
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the yellow.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So you know what I so love is that Alicia
Silverson has that outfit she and she pulls it out
in commercials, she pulls it out for TikTok, she did
it on that lip sync battle. She recently honor of
the thirtieth anniversary recreated that ooh with her son sun Bear. Now, look,
that woman has got a lot of flack over the years,
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and some of it fair. I'm just gonna say, love
her to death. She pedals some dangerous health information, but
she got raked over the coals when she revealed that
she used to feed there from her mouth, just the
bird feeding thing, because she's kind of like a very
kind of health conscious granola mom.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And I was like, can share horror with just live?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I know I have a confession. What your mom fed
you from her mouse?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Okay, so you know how like my background's Indian. Yeah,
so you obviously can't give your children like straight up
chili curry when they're born. So what my mom used
to do, she would take like the bits of meat,
suck out all the spice, and then sloppy chicken from you.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And bear silver Stone. So I'm like, leave.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Her alone just because she says it out loud, like
moms do whatever to get their kids to eat. I'm
just telling you that right.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Now exactly Silverstone's parenting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I was like, not on my watch. Then she's like,
maybe don't get.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Sack stained, and I'm like, oh, I can't follow you there,
but the rest of the stuff, I'm on board with you.
I'm bored with you anyway. So that's that's neat here
on air. And then yes, we have the introduction of
Tie coming to school as the loser transfer girl, and
Brittany Murphy's wearing like a graphic T shirt she's got
They've put like just a red almost like a gel
through her hair so they could like wash it out later,
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and Dionne and Chair take her on as little charity project,
which she is on board with and I understand.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, Dionn is like the crowd favorite. She's like acting
as us the audience going what's going on? But what
share Dionne did to Tie is what the movie she
is all that was trying to achieve the.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Whole Really, wow, explain your hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I feel like Clueless was the first true makeover transformation
that I actually believed. Yes, like Tye, we were introduced
to her and I was like, oh, yeah, this is
like a geeky kid, Like what can they do to
make her like the beautiful popular girl in that like
stereotypical way. And they did it, and she was beautiful
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and stereotypical and popular, and I was like, and I
see it, Like it wasn't like a beautiful girl in disguise,
even though Brittany Murphy's is absolutely stunning, but they really
made you believe that, Yeah, she was a geeky girl
and like there's nothing you can do to change that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, that is so true because they.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Saw that where she was just wearing glasses.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
She's beautiful, which I love when they parody that. Not
another team movie. They just take up her glasses, like
and we're done.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We're done.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I know, it's such an iconic makeover scene where they yeah,
wash the head, eye out, and like do her makeup
and hair, and they start even doing like body exercises
and stuff and I'm a Supermodel plays just an iconic
song and yet you really see it. It's also kind
of interesting in a way that like it kind of
flips throughout the movie because Chaer is meant to be
kind of like the guiding light for Tie, the.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Fish out of water.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
But it's like goes to show like how none of
these characters like Cookie Cutter, because Tie is actually the
more worldly one in a way, like there's so many also,
so many references I didn't get as a kid. When
they're talking about things like coke and she's like, no, shit,
you guys got coke here. She's like, yeah, this is America,
And I'm like, as an adult, my gosh, she wasn't
talking about Coca cola. But also when she's so shocked
that shares a virgin, which is another thing because yeah,
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which is an insult that comes up later, but when
they have that first thing, should share you're a virgin,
and she was like, you know how it's picky out
at my shoes and they only got my feet. I'm like,
so true, it's true. But also it's kind of interesting
because usually the popular girl in that kind of movie
in the nineties would be seen as like the over
sexualized and being a virgin.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Finding after all the boys. Yeah, and immediately you know
that she's not standing for any like teenage boy, like
you're like high school boys grows Yeah, and I'm like, wait,
high school boys are gross? Yeah, and am I trying
to make them fall in love with me?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
She was just like I think I'm just gonna wait
because I think I'm better than this. And you're like, actually, yeah,
like this is such an important high school movie. I
don't know why gian's going out with the high school boy.
They're like dogs. You have to clean them and feed them.
They're just like these nervous creatures that jump it slaver
all over.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You, eh, off of me.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
She's a freaking feminist icon because saying like, yeah, like
we're so picky about our shoes, we should be also
picky about the people we have sex with.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And it's like she's talking the truth.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Also, like my man is setis fat, but technically I'm
a virgin.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Me as a five year old.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Being like.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Satisfied.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I was like, these girls are my people. We're on
the same level so much that I know about, like
sex and drugs and stuff. I'm just really thinkin from clueless,
like these women raised me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And I only found that on my second watch when
I was about eighteen. When I was thirteen, I was
just like this is cool, and my second and my
second watch, I was like, oh shit, yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's all coming full circle though, and then we sees
Tires start to evolve to become the popular girl. I
also loved that first time that she's trying to teach
her how to speak properly and she's like, you can
say something like sporadically. And the first time she introduces
her to Josh, he's like, I'll be seeing you and
she's like, yeah, I hope not sporadically. It's like changing
all her like not just who she is, but how
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she speaks, how she thinks, which evolves to not a
good place as the movie goes along.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, does not evolve. She becomes really really mean, but
you can tell at her core she's still has like
those deep like original needs, like how she was always
just pining after Travis. Yeah, and no matter who, like
Chaer tried to set her up where she's like, no, like,
she originally just wanted Travis, and then she like had
a crash on Josh, but then she realized she didn't
actually like Josh. Someone else liked Josh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. I mean, oh my god, just a moment for
Travis Breckenmeier.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I love that band.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I was watching him do some interviews lately and he's like,
obviously looks a lot older now, but he still.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Has that breck and Meyer smile that I grew up with.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, he did his own stunts. Important to say
in the movie rode to skateboard, but also he said
that he was a lot older than Brittany Murphy, well
a couple of years older, because she was the youngest
wife bit. And he was saying that he just saw
her as a little sister and he loved her so much.
And that's why in that final scene when a lot
of different couples are kissing, he leans over and kisses
her on the forehead and he was supposed to kiss
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her on the lips. That was in the script, and
on the day he was like, I'm not kissing my.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Little sister on the lips. Sorry, not happening.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He's like, I know how much you like in.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Movie, but I will not buy by taking in the incest.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He took a stand against incests.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
He took a stand against incest. I have to talk
about my favorite scene.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Oh, what's your favorite scene?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's not my favorite scene, but it's the scene.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, obviously every scene her favorite scene. So what's
the one you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It sticks out the most to me when Cher and
Elton are at the DMB in like the dark and it's nighttime,
and then she rejects him, so he leaves her there,
and it's like, up until then, you're still seeing all
this like positivity around her, right, like so many things
are going wrong for her, Like she's failing her driving test,
it's not happening, Like her friends are kind of being
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weird with her, and she's still so happy and positive
and challenge energy. And she gets mugged.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's like the most.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Low stakes mugging I've ever seen, to the point where
she gets up and she's not even like super super rattle.
She just like walks over to the payphone and calls
Josh to get her to pick up and she's like,
I got totally mugged.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So good again pulled from Emma. I think in the book,
it's like Emma's doing a painting and afterwards she's like,
but you wanted the portrait of her, and she's like,
He's like.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
The portrait you painted.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And then in this she's like, but you have a
photo of Tie hanging your locker, the photo you took.
So he basically assaults her like and then yeah, I
love that sim Josh coming to pick her up. Fun fact,
I think you know this, Paul Rudd was mugged, like
the day before.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Get a break.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
First of all, his share Amy was just following.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He really had to have a rough time in this movie.
He's trying to make him.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Still the same person who filmed Clueless, Filled ant Man,
Quantum Manium.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
They're so scared of Paul Rudd that like, we can't
leave him alone.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We have to follow, we have.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
To look after him. So yeah, Paul Rud shaved his head.
He looks ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's wearing the cap. He that's how he really dances.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You know the scene they're taken to the nightclub and
they're like he's talking to the bouncer and then he's
doing the shoulder. That's how he really dances.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Such a dag. I love a dag.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, he's such a dag.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And yeah so and he also looks the exact same.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's wild, it doesn't. It's the same for doing the
Lord's work.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I just follow he needs to be studied.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So a few days before they film that scene, Paul
Rod was mugged and his backpack was taken and in
the backpack was the script for Clueless.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
To say that mugg I don't remember, and.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That was wrong. Don't you remember? The one scene he's
able to nail is a mugging scene because he knew
exactly how it happened.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That was me days ago, and I also didn't want
to lie down in my outfit.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm like, I'm just saying that mugger.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I didn't know the goal they possessed of having the
unreleased Clueless script in Paul Rod's stolen backpack, so he
had a hard time. So that was rough for him,
but he pulled it together to film the scene. I
do love that scene where he comes to pick up
because he's got his college hook up in the car,
and that's when we get that moment where you see
that Share is like it's almost like a line through
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to legally blonde. It's like you're really smart in a
different way. That's not just like remembering a textbook or something,
because it's like that whole thing of Ellwood's having a
bit of street smart, so knowing how long a perm
takes to set that makes her the winner. And Share
has a very similar thing where the girl in the
car is underscript college girls. How I think of her?
I actually think her name might be eighty In the
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movie anyway, nondescripted villain college girl is in the car
with Josh and she's obviously like one of those very snooty,
pretentious kind of college girls.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
She's like trying to take the piss out of Share and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Being like to Share like obviously like cocked her as
being like a blonde bimbo.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
This girl just got mugged.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
She just got sexually assaulted and mugged. And then she's like,
you look dumb, so I'm gonna roast you. And then
they have that really iconic moment where she quotes Hamlet
and Chaer sees her moment and was like, that's not
what he said. And she like, I think I remember
Hamlet accurately, and then you see Share just be like
in her eyes like I've got her and be like,
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I think I remember mel Gibson accuarly. And he didn't
say that, that polonious guy did.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
And that's the end of Josh's date.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So good, and that's a minute. You see, Oh there's
going to happen, be something with Sharon Josh.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, there's a few different dynacs in the story where
things are interesting, and it's mostly really that whole thing
with Schaer and Josh and Ty that is like the
pivotal love story.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Once she realized Christian is gay. Fucking love that character.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Also, as a kid, I didn't understand that he's model
of Frank Sinatra. Yeah, oh my god, he is. He
just kind of comes into the room and does this
and like kind of like the flip of the suit
jacket and like the way he walks.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, So that's his character is meant to be like
a Frank sanch translator.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And how he was like talking to Josh a lot
at the house.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, and she's like come on, let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, oh my god, love it. That is the best,
or the scene where they go into the highway where
she finds out Josh's gay. But also that is just
also a shout out to Donald Fason as Murray because
he is so good breakout and like his.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Character after that, like in Scrubs, like I just feel
like he just made it like his whole career. He's
just so so funny. By that highway scene where they're
just like screaming and screeching like down the highway and
all the cars.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Just yeah, I mean again, everyone, this's movie relates to
real life. Like I feel like everything has happened in
this movie is somehow you either use a lingo relate
to it. Because that was me the first time I
arrived in Sydney, I got lost in my car. I've
been driving all night to get from Brisbane to Sydney.
I arrived in Senior accidentally got it onto the Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I couldn't me go over the.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Harbor bridges Dion going on the highway. I was screaming
in my car. But that's also where we find out
that Christian's a cake boy.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He's a friend of Dorothy.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I guess as a kid. It's so fucking funny and
I wish had three hours. I just wanted to do
like a whole podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I wish character we should pitch to Mama Maya. Yeah,
Brudley on his review, but it's like us actually watching
it and then pausing it and then yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's a five hour podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I feel like I'm just saying I feel like they'd
be on board.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, if you spend the whole day and a half doing.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The views, will be there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I feel like so as Ty, we kind of see
that she kind of lets this popular new level that
she's in go to her head.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
It's that classic story of it's almost like a Frankenstein
story of your own creation becomes too powerful and turns
against you. It's like a Frankenstein story or like My
Fair Lady, or even like x Markner or something where you.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Or Splice or something like.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's very sci fi Esquetaway storytelling of you create this
being to be this idolized thing, and then they become
too powerful and then they overthrow you to an extent.
And so it's when Cher realizes that Ty has feelings
for Josh that really sets her off, which leads to
the iconic line.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You're a virgin who can't drive still the ultimate burn.
And I think also that's where you first see Share
like suddenly get pulled out of her positive butterflies and
rainbows like facad that she's had on, because then she
just immediately her face drops and she was like way harsh, Tie.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah that was weir harsh Ti, and like he's a
poor she was dropped.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was like, You're meant to be like the fun,
happy girl and now you're a sad girl.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think that's the beauty of this movie not being
like a kind of it could have just been like
a frivolous, like high school story, and it's got so
much heart behind it because you just see like how
broken Share is it? That of having her friends say
that to her as a fun fact too. Brittany Murphy
at the time was a virgin who couldn't drive. She
ne a license and not six yet.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
How we all as a twenty nine year old virgin,
you can't drive.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So yeah, she said.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
At the time, Brittany Murphy was like, as I was
saying it, she was like, Oh, this is me, and
it's meant to be the worst thing you can say
to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
She's also like seventeen at the time, so these are
like these defining moments in her like childhood, are like
literally gonna live with her for the rest of the life,
which like, is this really the best of something I
can give her? And they're like, yeah, it's the worst
thing that can ever happen, something that could She's like
really and they're like, yes, say it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Say it's like literally the worst and you could say
to a.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Woman exactly just the worst.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And then she said she's anyway, I'm outing, which is
a word that still gets used.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I don't care what may just say.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
As we go along, then we have that moment to
build up at the end where you see chaer like
she's got her inner monolog going and she's walking through
the streets of Beverly Hills and shops spine outfit, which
is important. And then she was like, Josh, why does
she want him? He's just a slug who lies around
the house or day and can't dance. And then it
cuts that scene of Paul run in the car and
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she's like, he's kind of a Baldwin, which weird to
think that that's an Alec Baldwin, Stephen and Adam Baldwin,
like because the Baldwin brothers were the hot things of
the time, so.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Like what were they doing though when they were actors?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Like the Baldwin brothers Sea of hot.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I know you look at Alec Baldwin and Stephen Baldwin
Adam Baldwin now and think that, but like this is
the do you know?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Because when I see them, I think all I think
of is like SML you know what I mean, Like
I missed that whole.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Like you know, so when you say someone's kind of
a bald woman's the opposite of a Barney. A Barney
rubble is an ugly looking guy, and in the Clueless universe,
a bald woman is a super hot guy.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Wow, yeah, that is like great claim for them, I know,
remember running that high for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I know. So sometimes when I look at Ilaria Baldwin,
I actually think, did she just watch Clueless? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
It was her whole beturning to be Spanish?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was it all just like Hailey changed her last name?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know, company she should be bover Ball like Bourburn's
and Clueless. It's so much better. So she's walking through
the streets and then she was like and then she's like, oh,
he's kind of a Baldwin. And then she's all of
a sudden and this is one of most iconic shots
in cinema where she's walking along and then she goes,
oh my god, I love Josh and the fountain lights
up behind her, and can I tell you I've been
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to that fountain.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It was my first the first time I went to.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm like, we have to find those photos.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Flora's share me.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I throw myself into the fountain crying.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I know. It's like I love Josh too, Josh doo.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's so yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It is really cute of how she has that moment
if she loves Josh and she's like, I'm completely in
love with Josh. But then we don't have that kind
of quick payoff because then we have that awkward kind
of build up into their first kiss.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, oh my god, okay the first kiss.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I was like watching this as a teenager. I was
literally the minute she says I love Josh, I thought
I'd have like this big moment going yes, you do,
you do? But as a teenager, I was like, do you.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, that's the thing. It's actually quite the incredible plot
twist because it's so perfectly done.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
It's like such a slow burn.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And again he's like this annoying guy who thinks that
she is kind of the thing is he never actually
thinks she's dumb, which I think is to his credit.
They kind of do build up their relationship in a
really interesting way that it's such a slow burn. It's
such a slow build. It's so carefully peppered throughout the
script that in that moment where she has that realization
of I love Josh and the fountain lines up, you
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as the viewer perfectly sync to have that realization with her,
and that is nearly impossible at a movie to do, to
have the character and the audience realize something so perfectly
at the same time. Yeah, it's working on levels we
can't even understand.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And I think also by having that storyline of they
are like extepsibly yeah, it's always as a like a
caveat of like, oh, that will never be a romantic thing.
So you're always in the back of your head saying, no,
this is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Even though they're really not fine, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, And not even sep feilings that even live together
that lot.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
No, no, no, So he just does like the accounts.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah. So then we have the thing where they're like
having a little flirt at the table share accidentally marks
the wrong calls in the files. A lawyer that means
her father's associate yells at her, which I feel like,
I feel like, hopefully that guy got fired the nextent.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, I know your place, your place, sir.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
The real learn of this movie the paralegal at the table.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
At the dad's dinner table.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So then we have just a beautifully framed shot of
Josh and Cher sitting on the stair on that beautiful
curved staircase with the two entrances, and you had that
build up where he's talking to her and Tom trying
to make her feel better, and it's a moment two
where it's like you kind of do believe they're going
to be together, for he's not just in love with
her because she thinks she's pretty. He's like in love
with who she is in that moment, and that's what
(38:40):
she realizes. And I'm going to say that kiss where
she's like, you think I'm beautiful and he's like, you know,
you're gorgeous, could you ever care about me?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And then that kiss Top five Hollywood Kisses for Me
where he leans right over, grabs her and pulls her
hair like gently, and like how they had that passionate kiss.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
It's hot. It's really hot, so hot watching this like
over and over again as a teenagers just like it is.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The ultimate movie kiss. Like the chemistry is off the
charts and it's so funny. That clip as like I'm
sure you can guess what happened next, and it cuts
to a wedding.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, the teacher's wedding.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, and again she put together Yeah again. I wish
we could have talked about the teacher because also Wallace Sean,
who plays this so good. I know, it's so funny
because he's such a renowned, critically acclaimed actor and writer
and stage actor, and he's like people just can't to
me all the time being like I Loved You and
Clueless and The Princess Briane and he's like thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I was like I love you and gossip Girl. It
was great, but like, yeah, a big plot point that
we didn't get to cover much was like shares, Like
big thing is like she's a really good matchmaker. Yeah,
and she was doing really bad in school, so she
put her teachers together to kind of like convince them
to give her better grade, which is also what her
dad is really proud of her for for being able
to like talk away into better grades.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Share.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
What's this all about?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
The same semester?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Uh? Huh? What do you do turn in some extra
credit reports?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Did you take the mid terms over?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
You mean to tell me that you argued your way
from a C plus to an A minus.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Totally based on my powers of persuasion?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Are you proud? Honey? I couldn't be happier than if
they were based on real grades.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But they actually did fall in love and they had
the wedding at the m.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, and then they get married at the end. And
again also.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Wallace, is she.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
For her teachers?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Okay, well she got them together? And again, so much
of Wallace Shawn. He has so much good dialogue as
mister Hall and this, and he's also the one who
facilitates one of the most iconic scenes, which we don't
really a time onto touch, where they had the debate
where she accidentally says share in her speech before she
delivers the iconic. It does not say RSVP on the
Statue of Liberty, where she accidentally says Haitians and she
(40:54):
said that, So Alicia Silverstone didn't know how to pronounce
that world, which is fine, which is fine.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
She was a young girl at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
She didn't know, and so she said that and everyone
went to jump in and correct her, and Amy Heckling
is like, don't, don't nor when say anything to her.
We're keeping it in the movie because she's like the
chhare would probably say that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Word wrong too.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Oh that's so cue.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
So we cut to the wedding, which is funny because
that's how the studio want of the movie tend.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
First of all, they were like, oh, we kind of incests,
and then.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
They're like, but if we do keep the step sibling
incest or what if they get married? And Amy Heckling
was like no, and that's why there's that thing of
as if yeah, I'm only seventeen, this is not Kentucky.
So then we have the wedding scene. So they could
have the wedding that people wanted, it just wouldn't be
Share and Josh's wedding.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Because that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So we have misguys and I should say that actress
is called Twink Kaplan. Oh, her name is Twink. She's
really good friends with Amy Heckling. She's also a producer
on the movie, and they've done many movies together since,
so they're two besties. The wedding dress she's wearing is
so kind of opulently created, and the bodice is so
tight that she couldn't sit down the whole day of filming.
(42:00):
They had to get one of those old fashioned standing
boards for her that like ladies back in the day
would have so she could lean.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Oh my gosh, So just like pretty much every bride.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, you're like so everybody who's ever gotten married.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
That's why you never if you really think about it,
have you ever seen a bride sit down?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
No, never, No, not in all my days have I
seen a bride sit down?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Always standing.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
This is actually the last day of filming. So if
you kind of look around as they pan the camera around,
a lot of people look quite sad, and the boys
so bracking, Maya Donald Face and and Paul d the hotties,
the three hotties get a giggle fit, and so they
couldn't finish filming. So there's a thing where Murray goes,
I'm bugging and Josh goes, I'm bugging myself.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So that wasn't bug that wasn't the script.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
That was just Paul Rod kind of just talking, so
trying to be cool with the kids.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Seemed that he was a kid too, but he had dad,
and it.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Was just always fifty in my head.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's fifty forever fifty year old with the face of
a twenty year old.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And so you can see in the.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Movie that they all just start cracking up, laughing, and
that's what really happened. And they kept saying like, we've
got to get the shot, guys, like that wasn't the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We've got to get the shot.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And then after all Amy's like, just let them go,
like it's fine, And so they film that the sun
went down and it was over.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
So I think this is probably for the production where
you get another to share Josh getting married, because like
the bouquet gets tossed and Share catches there and Josh
kisses her, and I think that was like a little
tick box for them. Yeah, exactly, you get like we
made you happy there. They will get married eventually.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
And I feel like they did.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
They did you think, so, I feel like they did
get married. Oh my god, I'm so glad we never
saw that. I know, people get well.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
There was Clueless the TV show. After that they were.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I know some people loved the Clueless TV Show. I
personally didn't. I find it interesting that pretty much the
whole cast except Alicia's Silverstone went into the TV show.
If that's what you loved, that's fine, but it wasn't me.
And I feel like they're getting so pressured to make
Clueless too, and I just I feel we're in this
dangerous time now of reboots where that could actually happen,
(43:59):
and I really hope they don't.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's such a perfect movie. Let it be where so
many of them.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Aren't even in the industry anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, well, I know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I Stacey Dashy plays Dan, who is incredible in the
She's also the only one who brought you twenty seven
with a six year old child, but she was just
so good they cast.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Isn't she like a politician? She's conservative?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Wild we problem, but this is what I mean. We
just can't sometimes we have to just leave it.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Just live in the time.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
But Clueless such a good movie thirty years on.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
And still a perfect, perfect.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Everyone needs to go rewatch it. As we mentioned before
in the beginning, obviously spoilers in this episode, but just spoilers.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Surely watched Clueless by now you're thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Years to watch it the first time ever.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
We didn't say spoilers at the top, which is like
she had thirty years.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, so that's on you. I don't think I've ever
met someone who hasn't watched Clueless. No, I honestly don't
think I have.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I haven't either. We'll have to find them and then.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
No, I don't want to sit them down. I don't
want people.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
We'll play our Briodley Onnest review first, I can watch
it after.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So I don't want anyone in my life who hasn't
watched Clueless. That's a deal Breaker's that's Brogan's favorite movie.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, So that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Is our brutally honest review of Clueless thirty years later.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
But we've done it. We love doing our really honest reviews.
We've done a whole bunch of them, so if you
haven't caught up, please go up in our feed to
find them. We'll put a link to a bunch of
them in our show notes. But Thanks so much for
listening to this episode of This Spill. The Spill is
produced by Minitius Wirne with sound production by Scott Stronik.
And we'll be back here on your podcast feed at
three pm on Monday.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Bye bye bye
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