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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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(00:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's from MoMA may I. Welcome to The Spill, your
daily pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura
Brodneck on the show today. Look, we've gotten how many
messages do you recond?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So many messages? I at least one hundred fifteen, but
that's still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We've gotten so many messages asking us to do a
brutally honest review of the new Netflix show. Nobody wants this.
All the episodes are out now, so there will be
a few spoilers, so make sure you watch before you listen.
But if you don't know, we do these really honest
reviews where we like break down a massive piece of
like pop culture. Its usually a TV show or a movie,
(01:38):
and we are as the title says, brutally honest. So
we will be doing that, but don't worry, we will
still be doing Weekend Watch. Yes, there was so much
hype about this show coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, I think most people kind of knew, but I guess,
like for us, when we first got the announcement, this
was filming, this was ages ago, and I saw these
behind the scenes photos come through of Kristen Bell and
Adam Brody, who played the two stars of the show,
on the set together, and I saw that it was
based off Aaron Foster's life. I just thought, this is
going to be such a huge crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But Aaron Foster is again.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, So Aaron Foster is in our owner words, a
NEPO baby of Hollywood, but she and her sister Sarah
have become very famous for various projects over the years.
So they are the daughters of David Foster, who we know, yes, well,
he's a very famous music producer, but I think most
people would know him for his many infamous marriages. So
(02:31):
he was obviously married to the mother of Sarah and Aaron,
but he's also been married to Linda Thompson, who was
married to Caitlyn Jenna for a while and is the
mother of Brody Jenner as in The Hills star Brodie Jenner.
So David Foster has been his stepfather. Kardashians everyone intersects
with Kardashians in some way. But then he was also
married to Yolanda had Did, who of course is the
(02:54):
mother of Gigi and Bella had Did, so he was
their stepfather as well. And now he is married to
Katherine McPhee and he's about thirty to forty years older
than her, I think. So he loves big, he loves
a marriage, he loves getting married. Just a hopeless romantic
the Jayla of the Older White Men music set. And
it was a bit controversial when he and Katherine mcpee
(03:15):
got married because he had been her mentor on Austraian Idol,
and everyone saw them as like a father daughter relationship
because of the huge age.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Gap, but they happily married.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now they have a kid, and Katherine Mtfee has quite
a funny relationship with Aaron and Sarah Foster, like online
because they're all the same age and they call her
mom wicked stepsis. Start when Aaron Foster was getting married,
Catherine would like post photos of herself in wedding dresses
and be like, I'm worrying this to your wedding. It's
like it's silly, but just like quite funny. So Erin
and Sarah Foster. They were both actresses for a while.
(03:45):
The most interesting part of Aaron Foster's life before we
get into her marriage, that has inspired this whole show
is that she was an actress in the early two
thousands and she did a lot of supporting roles on
TV shows. Very notably, she was an episode of Gilmore Girls,
which obviously Adam Brodie was on. He played Dave Rogalski.
Yeah you're across.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yes, I'm very salty about that because then he left.
But the story line, ever.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is h okay, Well that's a conversation for a different day.
So she's the quote unquote skanky girl, that was her title,
who is making out with Zach and then she says
to Lane, sorry, I didn't know you had feelings for him,
And that's when Lane realizes that she does her feelings
for Zack. In Gilmore Girls, so that's Aaron Foster out
of here erin Yeah, so that's Aaron Foster. But I
(04:34):
think Aaron Foster's most important role in her entire acting
career was the fact that she played Heather on The OC.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So she just following Adam Brodie.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Still is stilly is following her around. Look, she's put
in the work. She's put in twenty years worth of
work to get him on the show. So she was
late and Misa, I'll be like, what's going. So she
played Heather on the OC. I needed to really focus
on these details. And she was in the car that
killed Marissa Cooper.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Wait on the OC. Yes, on the OC. What do
you mean like the passenger seat?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yes, because Volceek was driving the car. Her character Heather
was in the car when they smashed into her and
Ryan there was a hole like, So she was in
the car that killed Marissa Cooper. And now she has
made a show starring.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I had break apart than she realized.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Exactly, and she kept that a secret from Adam Brody
during the whole filming of Nobody wants this because she's like,
that's quite embarrassing that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We didn't know. He didn't know.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But then a journalists foun out he didn't know and
she was hiding it and told him an interview to
get a reaction, and he's like, oh, actually I have
a memory of that, but I did think it was Sarah,
so he thought Sarah was on the show anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's a twisted web. So that was Aaron's crazy acting
live with Adam Brody as like her fellow like leader.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I want a third collaboration. The third collaborations one he's
aware of. So, but I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
The main character in the show, played by Kristen Bell, Joanne,
is actually mimicked after Aaron's personal So is she a podcaster? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So she and her sister have a podcast called I
think it's the world's first podcast, is what it's called.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Because it came out late. That's the Are they as
good as they have? They have a.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Better maybe like more intimate clib stories than we do,
so they're better than us.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's because they're ne bods, which I am best.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And they have a very successful clothing line together. They've
made TV shows before. They did a mockumentary about trying
to be famous, which is like a really funny show
if anyone hasn't watched it. But they had a deal
to create a show because they've both written on shows
before and they do a lot of different investing, like
they were the creative heads of Bumble, Like there's a
whole kind of background to their careers. They were pitching
a bunch of shows and at the time, Yes, so Aaron,
(06:37):
when she was thirty five met her now husband and
he was Jewish and so she converted to Judaism to
so they could marry. And they now have a little
girl called Noah who's like barely a year old. Again,
the information not about.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
These people, and was he a rabbi? No, he's not
a rabbit. There's a lot of stuff pushed up the
drama a.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Little bit yay yeh, because they wanted more tension. The show,
they've said very loosely based on a real story. So
what happened is they were with their producing partner and
they were talking about different ideas, like in an elevator
going to another meeting and she was talking about doing
her conversion to Judaism, and their produce partners said, like Erin,
this is so interesting, we should make a documentary about it,
and she said, oh, I don't really never want to
do that. And then they were talking about the fact
(07:16):
that maybe it's a drama comedy and their producing partner said,
you should call it Shixa, which was the original title
of the show, and that's why they say the word
shixa all the way through it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, that would have been a great title for the show.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean it took me a while to kind of
get around my head around nobody wants this, but Shixa
is I'm gonna butcher the meaning. It basically means like
now like a blonde, white, non Jewish woman who will
like steal a Jewish man away from his family in
front of specific But they did a focus group after
it had been filmed and so many people didn't know
what Shixa was, so they got rid of it, which
Adam Brodie was quite upset about. But they've made their
(07:50):
peace with it, so it's only loosely based on Aaron
Foster's life. And also what's interesting is she sold the
show and hadn't told her husband about it, and then
she was getting emails being like where are the pages,
where are the ideas? Like? And she's like, oh, I
have to tell him now that I've sold a show
in our life. But he was like okay with it
and they changed it so much, like changed it to
a rabbi. Everyone think that Justine Loop's character who plays Morgan,
(08:11):
is based on Sarah, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, because they're both sisters.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, yes, and Sarah worked on the show as well,
but Justine's like very different to her.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The one thing that is I love. I think she's
probably my favor Oh oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yes, we will get to her because there's a whole
backstory there. The only thing I thought was quite interesting
listening to them talk about what's real is that their mom,
who they're very close with. But you know that scene
in the show where she's like I saw my doctor
and I've got terrible news and like, oh my god, mom,
you've got cancer and she goes, oh, I just can't
pronounce the letter. See, that's a real thing their mom
said to them, Where yeah, she'll say she'll go and
(08:43):
see be like girls have to tell you something and
they'll say, oh my god, mom wan and she'll be like, oh,
I just I lost the letter. See all this, or
like Aaron was saying that she had a pinch nerve
from breastfeeding because she was like leading funny all the time,
and she was telling her mom, and her mom is like,
it's not a pinch nerve and like put in to
her negatures, this is where you hold fear, and you've
got fear about the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
She's like, no, Mom, I think I'm actually physically hurt.
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So a lot of similarities there. But apart from that, yeah,
they made up the like how they met, so that's
all fictionalized. The rabbi part is fictionalized. Also, Aaron Foster's
in laws weren't awful to her at all or didn't
like put her through all of that terror that they
do in the show. But as she said, you've got
to up the drama. You've gotta have steakes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So why do you think is like the reason exactly
why this has done so well.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I think a lot of it is the nostalgia of
just having these two iconic characters together because you have
Kristen Bell, who I mean, I became obsessed with her
in Ronnie Kamas and I've been obsessed with her ever since.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And you said they're kind of like the same generation, Like,
I think they're both aiming at a certain type of generation.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh yeah, I mean this is obviously for the elder millennials,
but anyone can watch it. And obviously we've seen them
in both the things past, but with him being on
the OC and her being on Roddy Kahmas, I think
that there was like this bringing these two fandoms together,
and they're really aware of it because they both really
lent into that during the press tour. Kristin Bell has
always spoken very highly of Roddne Kamas and was instrumental
in getting the movie made and the reboot made. Adam
(10:05):
Brodie's had a much more difficult time with the OC
over the years and term of not wanting to talk
about it, but he's to his credit, he has leaned
and hard on this press tour and he's like, if
you want to talk about the OC, I'm happy too.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I appreciate that you guys still love.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It, and but I also think even Without that, it's
still just the rom coom element that based on the
true story and just how good.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like me, I hadn't watched Veronica Mars or The OC
and I.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was obsessed with that absolutely kills me. You, Emily, you
at least have to watch The OC.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It holds up? Can I tell you? It holds up?
You will love it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I can't imagine you watching nobody wants this without having
the importance of Seth Cold in your head. Like I'm
not saying it's a bad thing, but I can't even
was a rabbi, no, oh my god, but he was
infamously a Jewish, Like being Jewish is a big part
of his storyline.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Know him from Gulmore Girls. Okay, but I just like
two seconds? Two seconds?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Girls, I just I mean, I got home, you really do.
I don't know how you really took in this show
without that background knowledge.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But that's fine. So everyone's talking about Christen Bell and
Adam Brody, but they were the standouts for me.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh who were the standouts? Morgan and Sasha, Yes, they
were incredible. Timothy Simons have you watched Veep? Yes, he
is so brilliant in that, but obviously quite an icky character. Yeah, Yeah,
and I think he plays this role that I literally
never have seen before ever in TV or movies. It's
like the married brother that could cheat on his wife
(11:36):
but never does, and it's like this weird area that
he left me and where I was just waiting for
it to happen and it never did.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, he's sort of set up.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
In any other show or movie he would be the
bad guy in a way, and they sort of do
set him up like that. But I think that's the thing.
Everyone in the show is much more nuanced than you
initially think, Like you think, oh, that's going to be
the bad person or the good person. All this person's
going to think this, and then they're all quite layered.
And I think especially with Morgan because I know you're
interested in their relationship with Justine Loop it was in Succession, yes,
(12:08):
in Succession and the Marvelous Missus Maisel, and so she's
no one for those really prestige roles. And also interestingly,
Aaron Foster was saying they were seeing a lot of
different actresses for this role, so other roles they had
that once Kristen Bell signed on, she became an executive producer.
It's like Yep, she's in it. Kristin Bell said, I
want Adam Brody. They got him. Jackie Tone, who plays Esther,
(12:29):
is one of Kristin Bell's very best friends of twenty
five years from Veronicamer's days. She's like a little cameo,
but they've been best friends ever since. This was the
Morgan Roles one they were casting for, and said, all
these actresses, some really famous, some not, but a lot
of them were being really difficult. Sarah and Aaron was
saying that they wouldn't audition, they wouldn't read the pages.
And Justine came to them and she's got like quite
(12:50):
an impressive resume. Came to them and said, I just
want this role so much. I'll do anything. You want
me to audition ten times, I'll audition ten times. You
want me to put myself on tape, you want me
to do this anything you want. And they were like, yeah,
you can have it because you seem great.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Put in the world. Yeah, Color girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Which is funny because Sarah Foster has a teenage daughter
called Valentina, and they so they're going to cast her
in the show, I think is the role of Miriam.
And they said to her and they're real straight talkers.
They said to her like, look, you're an NEPO baby,
so you can have it. You can have the role.
All you have to do is that you have to
physically come in the room and audition, because that's just
the rule for everyone. And she just didn't turn up,
so they gave the role to someone else, and afterwards.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She was like, hey, are good you didn't give me.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That was meant to be my role, and they're like,
all you had to do was show up and basically
do nothing else, and you couldn't even do that, so
you don't having it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not deserve She was also five months pregnant doing the She.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Was pregnant at the beginning and didn't tell anyone and
then obviously got progressively more pregnant than they shot. So
I think they covered it quite well because you can
see in the end she's in very loose, very flowy
clothes and so her like very pregnant something that she's
showing photos you can't see.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
She plays that role of like she's Joanne's sister, but
I guess the single best friend. She plays it so
well where in certain scenes when Joanne's talking about like
her new boyfriend, and how much she loves him. Her face.
Every single woman knows exactly what's happening in her brain
when she's like thinking and like listening to these stories
(14:13):
and thinking about it. And she plays that well, which
also didn't surprise me. And I'm glad that she didn't
come across as a villain when she leant into the
relationship with Noah's brother, even knowing that he is married
and stuff like saying that I had a sex dream
about him, like we're really close. Yeah, And I'm glad
that that didn't take away from like who she was
(14:34):
like as a person. Yeah, Because they're always made out
to be the villains, like the single, like sad woman. Yeah,
I really agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
There's moments where she could have lent into that, Yeah,
like the shrill best friend. It's like how the brother
could have gone into the villain mode. She could have
been to the shrill, angry sister, or they were really
setting her up at first not to be is like
to be like the one who lets the business down.
But I actually think that the relationship between the two
sisters is one of the most interesting and intricate parts
of this story. I mean, you and I both have sisters,
(15:02):
and there's so many elements to this. It's like the
way they talk to each other, like the snappy things
they say, and the way they say could exactly they
make up two seconds later, the way they just like
share thoughts across, like just looking at each other like
it's very it's so sister coded, and I think that's
where you can tell the shows created by two sisters,
because the dynamic is so spot on.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And I was really impressed with the direction of the
fight that they had both the sisters that the audience
knew what actually happened, like the audience were aware of
the truth, because I think if the audience weren't aware
and were kind of like looking at it through Joanne's lens,
she could have come across so badly. So the sisters
are fighting because it was like an evolvement with an
(15:41):
ex girlfriend, Joanne sent Morgan to do recon Morgan came
to Joanne and told her what she saw and Joanne's like,
I don't believe you, like you're lying to me, And
then Morgan says things along the lines of you've become
so boring since you've got into a relationship, like I'm
the one who has to like, hold up the podcast.
Now you're keeping things from an audience. And it kind
(16:03):
of took me by surprise because these women are meant
to be like in their thirties forties, and it's that
line that every woman says at some point in her life,
but it's usually around like the early twenties, when your
friends are getting into relationships for the first time. It's
like that snappy area of friendship where you realize that
your person has found another person and you're not in
(16:26):
on that. They're not telling you everything about their life.
They're building another life with someone else that you're not
in on, and then you just snap and you say
stuff like that. And I think they played it safe
by making them sisters, because sisters will always forgive each other.
But I feel like it would have been so much
more complicated if they were best friends. Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I love that you've pointed that out because I think
also it hits you maybe even worse in your thirties
and early forties, which There's been a lot of back
and forth over their ages before the show aired. Kristin
Mell and Adam Brody said that they never confirmed their
ages in the show, but they're both forty four in
real life, so like it's not out of the realm
of possibility that these characters are in their forties. And
(17:07):
Kristin Bell when asked about her, she's like, oh, she's
thirty ish at twelve, so kind of saying that potentially
like they are in their forties, even though they never
actually say it. And so both of them were saying
that sometimes the stakes do seem higher because it's a
life stage where so many people have coupled off. And
so if you're someone in your late thirties or early forties,
(17:29):
your pool of other like single people who you make
your family with, whether that's your sister or your best
friend or anyone in that circle, it gets really small.
And that idea that that person will pair off and
leave you, to an extent, is like quite a real fear.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Because it's like, you're not even going to break up
with me, like you're just going to leave. And it
also what they did really well is show the hidden
cost of being the single woman, like the fact that
Joanne goes to camp with Noah and Morgan's left to
kind of deal with the business and go to the
meetings and stuff, which I thought was done so brilliantly
because there are these like little things that when your
friend gets into a relationship, it's just accepted by society
(18:08):
that that's a really important thing for her to work
on and develop, and you just have to make good
with the scraps left behind.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Oh my god, I feel that
in my bones because if you're a single person in
a friendship group, there are certain rules that it's an
unspoken thing you have to follow, and I follow them
to and I hate that about myself. But it's like
if my friends are planning a trip or at night
we're going out to dinner, I'll say like, oh, well,
it's just me, so like anywhere you guys want to
go anytime, it'll work out, Like I'll just make myself available,
(18:36):
or oh you must be really you might have this
busy thing on, like I can do this part thing
for you. Or if you're going on a trip, you're like, oh,
you guys have the room like floor if they're all
paying the same amount, I can tell you that right now.
It's a thing of like you want to like let
people know that, like, oh, I know that this is
a really important thing and I'm not judging you, so
(18:57):
I'll like kind of like pull myself back a little bit.
And I think Morgan does that in the show You're
so right, because she was like, at the end of
the day, we all agree relationship trumps anything else, even
though it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And it's like the importance of French right, Like even
when it comes to just dating, like Joanne is, it's
if your friend is in a relationship and she's made
plans with her partner, that's okay. But if you've made
plans to go on a first date, that's not okay,
Like you should cancel because we had these plans. And yes,
it's like the complete indifference. Like people in relationships are
(19:28):
allowed to have that secondary life, but you're their life.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah exactly, your life, yeah exactly. And I get the
other side of it too, because that's what comes into
play here is Joanne is kind of saying, like you
and I have had this relationship, well our whole lives
because we're sisters, but now this business relationship. We've built
this huge thing up, but now I have this other
thing and it's in a really fragile state. It's our
first weekend together, like and there's also that understanding that
we've been through so much together, can't you help me
(19:55):
through this new bit of my relationship?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I understand that part.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Of it too, because you should also be able to
be like, at this point in time, I'll pick up
the slack fore you. And they talk about Morgan like
being divorced and stuff, so you kind of think, like
knowing how sisters were that like during all that Joanne
would have picked up the extra things, or during her
marriage would have picked up extra things, and so it's
like this give and take. But it is really hard
to manage those dynamics behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And it's the fact that you're scared to also speak up,
Like I think the whole reason that that blew up
was because Joanne thought Morgan was jealous of her relationship,
which is why she assumed she lied. And that's why
I feel like so many single women when they never
want to speak up because they automatically assumed that their
friend would just be like, oh, you're just you're saying
that because you're jealous.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It kind of seems like the ultimate trunk hard to
get thrown back in your face if you say anything
about your friend's relationship, like, hey, you're being really selfish
or he's treating you like shit, and then it's like
what Joanne says, She's like, you're just angry because you're
back on the sad dating apps. It's like that gets
thrown back in your face. So it does kind of
cut down what you can say, Oh my god, the relationship.
You're like, I am angry for this whole time, exactly exactly.
(21:01):
There's layers to this, but yeah, that's why I thought
The Sister dynam was so good, and that's why it's
like this huge. One of the best moments for me
is when they walk into the bar mits for it. Yeah,
in the slow mo hot I'm like, you know what
that is the triumph power.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It shows you that we have to talk about, in
my opinion, the best episode in the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Can I say when I watch this because I watched
the screeners a lot earlier than you, and as I
was watching it, I thought, God, Emily's gonna love this bit.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is your episode fix piece of cinema I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Give them an oscar, even though it's a TV show,
gives them an oscar.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
They're scene I've never seen in any other dating show
or movie. And I guess that's because it's mainly like
a modern phenomenon, right, So it's about the ick.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, the ick?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
The ick? How would you explain the The ick is
when you're dating someone romantically and they do something that's
completely normal, that's not like bizarre or dangerous or red flag.
Something that's so normal, but you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's just a little of kilter, Like they say something
a bit awkward in front of people, or they'll start
eating in a funny way, or so your case. In
my case, I said, don't sit on my bed in
your outdoor clothes and be gross in my bedroom. That's
how my last situationship ended. I mean, obviously other things.
I got the icks so bad from that, or can
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just sometimes the way they just like they'll pronounce words wrong,
or it's something so little.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Mine was the way they eat. I was in an
arcade for a day, yeah, and we were playing ping
pong and then the ping pong bawl went away and
he couldn't he couldn't get it. He was running, but
it wasn't like a run together. It was like you
know that run where you're like ben death. You were
running and chasing it. That's so the ick. And also
once you get it, it hits you. So yeah, it's
all you can think about. And if you like them.
(22:53):
The whole theory about it behind the eck is that
if you like them, even if they do these ikey things,
you will still find them attractive. But this wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I think for the first time in document in cinema history,
we saw a true case of the ick in the
wild that was overcome. That's revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So No comes in in this suit jacket because he's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Thrown off because he was expecting just to hang out
with his sisters. And you can see that he's really
built himself up with Morgan. He's brought her all these
funny gifts. He's looking really chill, and he's like, I'm
just one of you, like I'm one of his sisters.
And then all of a sudden, the parents are coming
and the dad's new boyfriend, and the whole game change.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The whole game changes. He leaves, he goes against flowers.
He comes back. They're talking about like Italy. He yells,
pray go. She gets it. From the second she opens
the door. She looks at him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Everything's a bit off because he looks really flustered, and
before that he looked very cool, calm and collected. The
flowers are way too big for the event he's at
and he can't hold them properly.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And it's the jacket, what does he call this? His
sports coat spots coat over his shorts.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And when her eyes trailed down from the jacket to
the shorts, I got the ick for Adam Brodie myself.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's like her portrayal of like showing what the
ick looks like on a woman's face and real life
was brilliant. And it's when he yelled out pray go,
which is like kind of normal, and she turned to
him and says something in my worst night, Miss She goes,
why did you say that so loud? He's like did I?
And like everyone else in the room is so fine. Yeah, yeah,
(24:22):
Like it's like, no, the itck only hits you, only
hits you. And I just think its like if I
said something and like my partner turned to me and said,
why did you say that so loudly? I would belt
to the floor die. So she needs a bit of
like time away. She goes outside like he leaves him
with her family goes outside, and Morgan, because she's a
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best friend and every woman knows the ick face, says,
I know exactly what has happened. Oh, and it was
so easy, right like the script. Afterwards, she just goes, Oh,
that sucks. I can't believe I have to break up
with him, because I'm like, that's what you do when
you get the eke, you break up and he just
turns it completely around.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Which again that is a testament to the strength of
your relationship more so than converting or anything else that happens.
And it's because at the end of the day she
can really move past it. But you can see also
he's a bit trying to turn it a as well,
and seeing her family kind of accept him as well.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
There's a lot of layers to getting over the ink.
We also need to talk about the second, I guess
most fun episode. It was the camp episode. Oh my God. Yes.
So Noah is at this Jewish camp that he leads,
and he's bought Joanne on as like his date and
like they're technically meant to be girlf and a boyfriend
at this point, although it's never been communicated between either
of them. So they're at the camp together. She's kind
(25:37):
of pushing herself. I would say she's pushing herself to
kind of like understand his culture, understand his community. She
wants to learn more about him. She wants to watch
him give these sermon, She wants to learn about his career,
and he tries to hide her. It feels like he's
a bit embarrassed about her, and that is clear when
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she ends up talking to a group of young girls,
A group of young girls who I would say are
like in their like fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
The scariest of ages, the scariest Thing's worse than a
teenage girl.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
There's so much scarier today.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They have way more information and power, and they all
look like they're in their forties because of how they
do their hair and makeup, and so they're just a
lot scarier than they were back in the day. And
they can get you in multiple places because they have
online access.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
A teenage girl who sees me and a man who
asks me, is he your boyfriend? Is my worst night.
It's like, I don't know, you're not meant to ask
me that, You're meant to just accept it as who
we are, Like all my other friends in fad.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Exactly, and they have this very idealized thoughts of like
what a woman in a relationship should be. And it's
one of those things where like at a young age,
you think things are a bit simple, like yeah, like
you know, you should do this and show your worth
and make him say that. And they're saying that to
Joanne and her whole you can see she's horrified she's
saying that about her in front of her.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
There's this one scene where she's like, guys, I don't
want to be lusting after a man when I'm fifty.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like it's like, I'm right here, right here, I know
her worst night. They're coming true, way worse than the egg.
And also because it's worse for her because she's like,
my whole life and personality is based off the fact
that I'm a strong, independent woman who doesn't take shit.
And now you, as she says to no Her later on,
she's like, you may be like dumb in front of
(27:21):
the teenagers, the people whose opinions I care about the most.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And I was like, fuck, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So true.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And the teenagers actually made her realize, like they broke
her out of that love spell where she was just
gonna hide away in the cabin for the entire weekend,
and she's like, no, I need to go for a
work meeting. Like, if you're not gonna want me here,
I'm gonna get out of here. And if she gets
out of here, and then the teenagers tell off.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Noah exactly like, well, hot, hot rabbi, hot rabbi, And
that's the whole reason he wants to take her there.
Obviously he has to go for work. But then he
was like, he says, like, I know they call me
hot rabbi.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
They're like, and you're being a dick.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I just also, we all need teenagers like that in
our lives. I know.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, they did speak the truth, and I think that's
the kind of interesting thing is that they almost remind
her she's in a rom comm and what she's supposed
to kind of how she's supposed to act. And then
Adam Brodie's character acts very appropriately, which I feel kind
of interesting. I feel like the read and people have
just fallen so in love with the character of Nowhere
is like, yes, everyone loves Adam Brodie, but that wouldn't
have been enough to get through. I think what's super
(28:17):
interesting is that he's almost this like idealized version of
what we all want in a partner like he is.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's almost like wish fulfillment.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's like it's like our version of a Disney Prince
for women who have been through the hard slog of
dating and relationships and who are in their either thirties
or forties, because there's so many moments that feels are
just pulled straight from people's lives, and it's like that
one scene that's going viral at the moment where she's
getting really freaked out thinking like she's too much, which
is something we all get told a lot, especially if
(28:49):
you're still single at that age. It's this idea like, well,
you're too much, you're too out there, you're to this,
and he just like I can handle you, Like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, And he also is that idea that women who
are dating like, there's like a list of things that
we inherently have learned and know that you shouldn't go for,
Like you shouldn't go from a man who's just come
out of a fresh relationship. You shouldn't go from a
man who gives you the egg. You shouldn't go from
a man who tried to hide you in a cabin
it could work, and like they make it into this
(29:18):
big thing as like it's okay if you still like
him because you're both learning and you're both growing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
One thing they worked really hard on was that their
kisses would be really great because it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Our kisses were crazy good. Yeah, they worked real hard
on most.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, it's funny because for a show that's hyped is
like the most romantic show of the year, there's not
a lot of physical affection. There's no sex scenes anything
like that. Like it's actually very devoid of that level
of intimacy. The intimacy we see is in their conversations
or just the way they interact almost in public, because
Adam Brody had this thing at the beginning of the
show where he said, like I'm always just gonna have
(29:52):
my hands on her face, and then Kristen Bell said, like,
we've got to look into each other's eyes for as
long as we can before we kiss every time, even
if we feel uncomfortable, even if it feels weird, We're
just got to commit to that. So when you see
their kisses, there's so much build up to the way
they're still the way he's always got his hands over
her face, the way they do it, and it's so
(30:13):
funny because the kiss scene that's the most famous from
the show, where they kiss in the street, Adam Brody
hates that scene really, he thinks, well, he likes the
kiss part of it, he doesn't like the setup because
if you remember, that's the part where he's like, put
down your ice cream. That's yeah, he hated that, but
he hated the line where he says put down your bag.
And afterwards Kristen Bells like, Okay, I didn't agree with
(30:36):
you when we were shooting it. I thought you were
being a bit, you know, ridiculous and you won't understand
what was happening. But now that I look at the scene,
it is a bit weird because I think initially she
was meant to have like a really big, heavy shoulder bag.
So he put down your bag. It was going to
be a bit of a sexy someone's gonna take it. Yeah,
so she puts down this tiny little bag. It's like
that bag was not the way. And Adam Brodie has
then a few different interviews he's like hated that.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They're also like in the middle of a sidewalk, I'm like,
of course, no one's walking behind you. I would have
been that like that one grumpy person like, can you
like at least move to the side, are you going
to do this? And now your bag's in the way
and I'm tripping over that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But apart from that, was a great kids And they
shot that kiss apparently so many times, like into the
early hours of the morning to make it really to
make it perfect. And it's this whole thing of these
two people just having that like undeniable spark. So coming
into the last episode, which is like I guess kind
of almost comes down to yes, the bumm it's for
and the kind of epic entry of Morgan and Joeanne.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But he refused to me the last episode, Oh how
too hard into it?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, it was meant to be the final kind of
showdown between Joanne and Noah's family, but also the cementing
of Noah and Joan's relationship with her, like saying that
she would convert for him. One thing I think it's
important to say about Noah's family is that everyone on
the show has said they're a fictionalized version, but I
think it's important to note that a lot of Jewish
women have not been super happy. I mean not speaking
(31:57):
for everyone, but like when a show comes out like this,
I try and really like go and seek out heaps
of different people's opinions on it and what different people
from different backgrounds think, because what I take away from
a show is going to be very different from say,
what Jwish woman takes sway and show, what a married
woman takes way, show, even what someone living in a
different country takes away from a show. And I have
seen some women say that they didn't sometimes love this
(32:17):
stereotype of like the angry Jewish woman, the shrew, the villain,
and I think we see a lot more layers to
those characters, especially Esther with the fantastic Jackie Tone playing her.
But I do understand that if you have seen a
stereotype in pop culture, and as we know, entertainment and
pop culture are so good at taking these stereotypes and
blowing them up, that that would be hard to.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Watch, yeah, especially because they were all mean. Yeah, like
there wasn't one that was nice until you ended up
seeing the layers. So I do understand. I think I
would have been slightly offended.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, I understand that but also I just loved
to kind of setup of like you have this moment
where in the bar Mitzva where Joanne and Norah have
this like kiss and it's all beautiful and she's converting,
and then she realizes the stakes and then.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He starts listing all these things she has to do. Yeah,
and like he was trying to like because it was
clear that she was converting for him, yeah, and he
was like, you're doing this for yourself, right, and she
was like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's my thing from my very minimal understanding of the
conversion is that the idea is that you go through
a lot and prove your investment in it, because the
idea is that you convert, even if that person were
to like pass away, then you would still raise your
children Jewish or if you were to break up, you
would still be in the Jewish faith. And so I
think that's why there's like a lot of layers too.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I think he also didn't want the responsibility of
it just being on him.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, And I think that's why that showdown with Rebecca
where she was like, you're living my dream, like just
so you know, it's a big deal, and you almost
think like she confirms it. It's almost like she was
never super in love with Noah. She was in love
with the idea of being a rabbi's wife. Yeah, and
the huge place that that held in her culture, which
I understand that, and then seeing Joanne be terrified by that,
and as I was like, I was looking at the
time and I'm like, Okay, we've got like four minutes
(33:53):
to go, what's going to happen here? Because I knew
it was going to end in a way with them together,
but I thought, oh, we're going to have a classic
like a chase scene, and I guess they kind of
had that with him being there when she arrived, shut
and the shuttle.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And the end. Yeah, they here someday decided to stay together.
But I think the end is what confused me was
has he quit? Like is he not going to be
a rabbi? Oh, he hasn't quit being a round. He's
going to be a rabbi and marry her. But like, well,
this is why I know I'm jumping ahead. But that's
like what the whole thing was about, right.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, I think they decide to still stay together and
stay in a relationship, but they don't decide to put
like in that moment, a definitive like, this is the
only way we will stay together. They were like, we
want to be together, and we will work this out
and we'll put the work in on both sides them.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, this is because he can't be the head rabbi.
He was told he can't be the head rabbi until
she converted. Yeah, and she doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, she just not right now, I think she was.
She was saying, I mean, there's a lot of layers
to it, but this is why, like a season two
hasn't been confirmed yet.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But this is why better better.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think it really has legs for a season two
because now you can see them in the throes of
the next part.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And also, like Sasha and Morgan's relationship needs to be developed.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh yeah, I was like, I don't want them to
have an affair, but I kind of do, Like I.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Love me, like I thought there was something wrong with me.
I'm not. I wouldn't be fair if they slept together.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What a show just loved. It's a weekend watch.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It is a weekend watch time where we give you
two movies or TV shows to take with you for
this weekend, and the rules are as always. You have
to watch them and then give us feedback on how
we did.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Are you just saying the rules out loud to yourself
then to remind yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
We have to watch them people. I'm saying, people have
to work, so everyone go watch them.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, there's nothing like in order to make everyone feel
like this is a fun podcast for their.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, no, you get homework in this podcast of anything.
So I want to talk about my week and watch
first because I'm very excited. It is Joan on Stan.
It stars Sophie Turner, who we absolutely love, but she's
in this new show called Joan on Stan where she
plays Joan Hannington, who's kind of mimicked after a real
person nicknamed the Godmother. So she was a real person,
(36:07):
famous jewelry three in the eighties in London. Promise me
I won't lose her.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's a tough day.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh yeah, what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
From a thief? What do you want? John? Did all
those striving dressinger of attending?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Job? Satisfaction isn't a crime? What the rest of it is.
I've watched only the first three episodes, like I've binged
them literally in one evening. But Sophie plays these accents
so well, and she kind of shows how with her
like jewelry thief personality, she like changes herself and she
(36:57):
shows that whole process of how she changes herself from
like her real life as like a single mother trying
to make ends and meet she has to put her
child into foster care just because she needs to make money.
She was involved in like a gang and she had
to escape that, like she's come from a really hard
spot and then on the other side the next day,
she's just kind of like cosplaying as this really glamorous
(37:18):
person who works in a jewelry store, who tries to
work in a hairdresser, who ends up just like stealing
jewelry because like she learns about jewelry, she's like, you
know what, I can steal it. And it is done
so so well. I've only watched the first few episodes,
but the way she kind of portrays a woman who
will do anything to get her daughter back, even commit crime.
(37:39):
It's done so beautifully. It made me cry. Even though
it's meant to.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Be kind of like action e comedy, it is an
action comedy as well, but it's so good undertone of
I've just started watching it as well, and I love it,
and she's so good and she looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, she's a hot pos Oh my god, it's a
good performance as well. Please put it on your list.
I need someone to talk to you about it. Your ten. Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I feel like this is gonna be a really hard
recommendation for me because I'm already at an emotional ten
after talking about nobody wants this, and this show always
kicks me up to at least a fifteen. Oh, I
haven't brought this up for a long time, so just
give me this, okay. As you know, one of my
favorite shows in the entire world is The Walking Dead
and when the Walking don't say anything Emily, And when
(38:18):
The Walking Dead ended, I was obviously devastated and I
cried a lot for days.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Where else it was going to go, well, the thing is?
It ended?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And then a lot of the main characters went off
and got their own spinoff shows, which I've both loved
and hated an equal measure because I love seeing all
my favorite characters going off in these new journeys, but
I also just hate the fact that they're not together.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
But one of the strongest other countries to visit, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But one of the strongest spin offs I think out
of all of them was The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Care did they go off by himself? He did.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He ended up in France, which is real tourning point
for someone who never left Georgia.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But I thought that's where Maggie and Megan went. No, no, no,
that's they went to New York. Oh don't. We can't
get into this right now.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
How did they get to from It's a whole story.
So he went off to find Rick. We found out
he was alive. A series of events brought him to France.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I'm not if this is the players I'm supposed to
be thinking about all the people who love Fine, they're
still thinking about me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
My man? It was here where is he? Would you
give up everything to look for somebody you haven't met?
There was a finding him alive. Yes, if you're across
The Walking Dead, you could almost watch this show, I think,
without it, because it does build its own universe. So
(39:36):
Norman Readers plays Darryl Dixon one of the hottest characters in.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
History because his character's hot.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, he's hot because his character's hot, Like, we don't
want to interact with him in real life. It's the
character was such a huge fan favorite for the over
a decade that The Walking Dead was on air, So
he got a spin off series and it shows him.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Going to France. Can I just a spoiler? I mean,
what is it? I mean if they end up getting
it with Carol?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
No, I know they would never How dare you got it? No?
So he goes off to France and you could almost
like pick up the story there. I mean, I definitely
thin everyone should go watch Walking Deck because it's great TV.
But it's also just like great world building of how
the apocalypse and how this disease of people turning into
walkers has affected different country and because it's been around
for a few decades now, you have all these different
(40:21):
societies that have sprung up. You have like this underworld
in Paris where people still live these huge, glamorous lives
but alongside The Walking Dead. And it's got Clements Posey
in it, who you might know from Gossip Girl and
Harry Potter and many other things as the other lead.
And it's just a really well made, great show. But
what's so intense about this new season? So the first
(40:41):
episode of season two has come out on stand this week,
and so Carol from The Walking Dead was originally meant
to be to spin off with him, but the actress
when the show ended was like, I just can't go
back into filming another show right now.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I need a break.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So she wasn't in the first season, and now she's
in the second season.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
She's made a way over it. The put so it's
Darryl and Carol.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I won't spoil anything about how their characters interact, or
if they find each other or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But when I tell you, when I sit down to
watch this, the.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Tears that were streaming down my face, Oh a hundred ball.
I mean I've had over a decade with these people,
you know what I mean? Like the intensity of this, Oh,
I can't even So The Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon, The
Book of Carol is out now on stan Cal. You
can watch season one. And like I said, if you
want to not watch The Walking Dead, like I'm judging you,
(41:32):
but you could just jump into this as an amazing show,
this dystopian world. The sets are amazing, the Walkers are amazing.
I just love it so much. New episodes dropping weekly.
The first one's out more tocom.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production
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Brodneck on the show today. Look, we've gotten how many
messages do you recond?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So many messages? I at least one hundred fifteen, but
that's still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We've gotten so many messages asking us to do a
brutally honest review of the new Netflix show. Nobody wants this.
All the episodes are out now, so there will be
a few spoilers, so make sure you watch before you listen.
But if you don't know, we do these really honest
reviews where we like break down a massive piece of
like pop culture. Its usually a TV show or a movie,
(01:38):
and we are as the title says, brutally honest. So
we will be doing that, but don't worry, we will
still be doing Weekend Watch. Yes, there was so much
hype about this show coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, I think most people kind of knew, but I guess,
like for us, when we first got the announcement, this
was filming, this was ages ago, and I saw these
behind the scenes photos come through of Kristen Bell and
Adam Brody, who played the two stars of the show,
on the set together, and I saw that it was
based off Aaron Foster's life. I just thought, this is
going to be such a huge crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But Aaron Foster is again.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, So Aaron Foster is in our owner words, a
NEPO baby of Hollywood, but she and her sister Sarah
have become very famous for various projects over the years.
So they are the daughters of David Foster, who we know, yes, well,
he's a very famous music producer, but I think most
people would know him for his many infamous marriages. So
(02:31):
he was obviously married to the mother of Sarah and Aaron,
but he's also been married to Linda Thompson, who was
married to Caitlyn Jenna for a while and is the
mother of Brody Jenner as in The Hills star Brodie Jenner.
So David Foster has been his stepfather. Kardashians everyone intersects
with Kardashians in some way. But then he was also
married to Yolanda had Did, who of course is the
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mother of Gigi and Bella had Did, so he was
their stepfather as well. And now he is married to
Katherine McPhee and he's about thirty to forty years older
than her, I think. So he loves big, he loves
a marriage, he loves getting married. Just a hopeless romantic
the Jayla of the Older White Men music set. And
it was a bit controversial when he and Katherine mcpee
(03:15):
got married because he had been her mentor on Austraian Idol,
and everyone saw them as like a father daughter relationship
because of the huge age.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Gap, but they happily married.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now they have a kid, and Katherine Mtfee has quite
a funny relationship with Aaron and Sarah Foster, like online
because they're all the same age and they call her
mom wicked stepsis. Start when Aaron Foster was getting married,
Catherine would like post photos of herself in wedding dresses
and be like, I'm worrying this to your wedding. It's
like it's silly, but just like quite funny. So Erin
and Sarah Foster. They were both actresses for a while.
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The most interesting part of Aaron Foster's life before we
get into her marriage, that has inspired this whole show
is that she was an actress in the early two
thousands and she did a lot of supporting roles on
TV shows. Very notably, she was an episode of Gilmore Girls,
which obviously Adam Brodie was on. He played Dave Rogalski.
Yeah you're across.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yes, I'm very salty about that because then he left.
But the story line, ever.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is h okay, Well that's a conversation for a different day.
So she's the quote unquote skanky girl, that was her title,
who is making out with Zach and then she says
to Lane, sorry, I didn't know you had feelings for him,
And that's when Lane realizes that she does her feelings
for Zack. In Gilmore Girls, so that's Aaron Foster out
of here erin Yeah, so that's Aaron Foster. But I
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think Aaron Foster's most important role in her entire acting
career was the fact that she played Heather on The OC.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So she just following Adam Brodie.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Still is stilly is following her around. Look, she's put
in the work. She's put in twenty years worth of
work to get him on the show. So she was
late and Misa, I'll be like, what's going. So she
played Heather on the OC. I needed to really focus
on these details. And she was in the car that
killed Marissa Cooper.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Wait on the OC. Yes, on the OC. What do
you mean like the passenger seat?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yes, because Volceek was driving the car. Her character Heather
was in the car when they smashed into her and
Ryan there was a hole like, So she was in
the car that killed Marissa Cooper. And now she has
made a show starring.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I had break apart than she realized.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Exactly, and she kept that a secret from Adam Brody
during the whole filming of Nobody wants this because she's like,
that's quite embarrassing that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We didn't know. He didn't know.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But then a journalists foun out he didn't know and
she was hiding it and told him an interview to
get a reaction, and he's like, oh, actually I have
a memory of that, but I did think it was Sarah,
so he thought Sarah was on the show anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's a twisted web. So that was Aaron's crazy acting
live with Adam Brody as like her fellow like leader.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I want a third collaboration. The third collaborations one he's
aware of. So, but I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
The main character in the show, played by Kristen Bell, Joanne,
is actually mimicked after Aaron's personal So is she a podcaster? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So she and her sister have a podcast called I
think it's the world's first podcast, is what it's called.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Because it came out late. That's the Are they as
good as they have? They have a.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Better maybe like more intimate clib stories than we do,
so they're better than us.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's because they're ne bods, which I am best.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And they have a very successful clothing line together. They've
made TV shows before. They did a mockumentary about trying
to be famous, which is like a really funny show
if anyone hasn't watched it. But they had a deal
to create a show because they've both written on shows
before and they do a lot of different investing, like
they were the creative heads of Bumble, Like there's a
whole kind of background to their careers. They were pitching
a bunch of shows and at the time, Yes, so Aaron,
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when she was thirty five met her now husband and
he was Jewish and so she converted to Judaism to
so they could marry. And they now have a little
girl called Noah who's like barely a year old. Again,
the information not about.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
These people, and was he a rabbi? No, he's not
a rabbit. There's a lot of stuff pushed up the
drama a.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Little bit yay yeh, because they wanted more tension. The show,
they've said very loosely based on a real story. So
what happened is they were with their producing partner and
they were talking about different ideas, like in an elevator
going to another meeting and she was talking about doing
her conversion to Judaism, and their produce partners said, like Erin,
this is so interesting, we should make a documentary about it,
and she said, oh, I don't really never want to
do that. And then they were talking about the fact
(07:16):
that maybe it's a drama comedy and their producing partner said,
you should call it Shixa, which was the original title
of the show, and that's why they say the word
shixa all the way through it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, that would have been a great title for the show.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean it took me a while to kind of
get around my head around nobody wants this, but Shixa
is I'm gonna butcher the meaning. It basically means like
now like a blonde, white, non Jewish woman who will
like steal a Jewish man away from his family in
front of specific But they did a focus group after
it had been filmed and so many people didn't know
what Shixa was, so they got rid of it, which
Adam Brodie was quite upset about. But they've made their
(07:50):
peace with it, so it's only loosely based on Aaron
Foster's life. And also what's interesting is she sold the
show and hadn't told her husband about it, and then
she was getting emails being like where are the pages,
where are the ideas? Like? And she's like, oh, I
have to tell him now that I've sold a show
in our life. But he was like okay with it
and they changed it so much, like changed it to
a rabbi. Everyone think that Justine Loop's character who plays Morgan,
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is based on Sarah, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, because they're both sisters.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, yes, and Sarah worked on the show as well,
but Justine's like very different to her.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The one thing that is I love. I think she's
probably my favor Oh oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yes, we will get to her because there's a whole
backstory there. The only thing I thought was quite interesting
listening to them talk about what's real is that their mom,
who they're very close with. But you know that scene
in the show where she's like I saw my doctor
and I've got terrible news and like, oh my god, mom,
you've got cancer and she goes, oh, I just can't
pronounce the letter. See, that's a real thing their mom
said to them, Where yeah, she'll say she'll go and
(08:43):
see be like girls have to tell you something and
they'll say, oh my god, mom wan and she'll be like, oh,
I just I lost the letter. See all this, or
like Aaron was saying that she had a pinch nerve
from breastfeeding because she was like leading funny all the time,
and she was telling her mom, and her mom is like,
it's not a pinch nerve and like put in to
her negatures, this is where you hold fear, and you've
got fear about the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
She's like, no, Mom, I think I'm actually physically hurt.
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So a lot of similarities there. But apart from that, yeah,
they made up the like how they met, so that's
all fictionalized. The rabbi part is fictionalized. Also, Aaron Foster's
in laws weren't awful to her at all or didn't
like put her through all of that terror that they
do in the show. But as she said, you've got
to up the drama. You've gotta have steakes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So why do you think is like the reason exactly
why this has done so well.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I think a lot of it is the nostalgia of
just having these two iconic characters together because you have
Kristen Bell, who I mean, I became obsessed with her
in Ronnie Kamas and I've been obsessed with her ever since.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And you said they're kind of like the same generation, Like,
I think they're both aiming at a certain type of generation.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh yeah, I mean this is obviously for the elder millennials,
but anyone can watch it. And obviously we've seen them
in both the things past, but with him being on
the OC and her being on Roddy Kahmas, I think
that there was like this bringing these two fandoms together,
and they're really aware of it because they both really
lent into that during the press tour. Kristin Bell has
always spoken very highly of Roddne Kamas and was instrumental
in getting the movie made and the reboot made. Adam
(10:05):
Brodie's had a much more difficult time with the OC
over the years and term of not wanting to talk
about it, but he's to his credit, he has leaned
and hard on this press tour and he's like, if
you want to talk about the OC, I'm happy too.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I appreciate that you guys still love.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It, and but I also think even Without that, it's
still just the rom coom element that based on the
true story and just how good.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like me, I hadn't watched Veronica Mars or The OC
and I.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was obsessed with that absolutely kills me. You, Emily, you
at least have to watch The OC.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It holds up? Can I tell you? It holds up?
You will love it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I can't imagine you watching nobody wants this without having
the importance of Seth Cold in your head. Like I'm
not saying it's a bad thing, but I can't even
was a rabbi, no, oh my god, but he was
infamously a Jewish, Like being Jewish is a big part
of his storyline.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Know him from Gulmore Girls. Okay, but I just like
two seconds? Two seconds?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Girls, I just I mean, I got home, you really do.
I don't know how you really took in this show
without that background knowledge.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But that's fine. So everyone's talking about Christen Bell and
Adam Brody, but they were the standouts for me.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh who were the standouts? Morgan and Sasha, Yes, they
were incredible. Timothy Simons have you watched Veep? Yes, he
is so brilliant in that, but obviously quite an icky character. Yeah, Yeah,
and I think he plays this role that I literally
never have seen before ever in TV or movies. It's
like the married brother that could cheat on his wife
(11:36):
but never does, and it's like this weird area that
he left me and where I was just waiting for
it to happen and it never did.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, he's sort of set up.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
In any other show or movie he would be the
bad guy in a way, and they sort of do
set him up like that. But I think that's the thing.
Everyone in the show is much more nuanced than you
initially think, Like you think, oh, that's going to be
the bad person or the good person. All this person's
going to think this, and then they're all quite layered.
And I think especially with Morgan because I know you're
interested in their relationship with Justine Loop it was in Succession, yes,
(12:08):
in Succession and the Marvelous Missus Maisel, and so she's
no one for those really prestige roles. And also interestingly,
Aaron Foster was saying they were seeing a lot of
different actresses for this role, so other roles they had
that once Kristen Bell signed on, she became an executive producer.
It's like Yep, she's in it. Kristin Bell said, I
want Adam Brody. They got him. Jackie Tone, who plays Esther,
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is one of Kristin Bell's very best friends of twenty
five years from Veronicamer's days. She's like a little cameo,
but they've been best friends ever since. This was the
Morgan Roles one they were casting for, and said, all
these actresses, some really famous, some not, but a lot
of them were being really difficult. Sarah and Aaron was
saying that they wouldn't audition, they wouldn't read the pages.
And Justine came to them and she's got like quite
(12:50):
an impressive resume. Came to them and said, I just
want this role so much. I'll do anything. You want
me to audition ten times, I'll audition ten times. You
want me to put myself on tape, you want me
to do this anything you want. And they were like, yeah,
you can have it because you seem great.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Put in the world. Yeah, Color girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Which is funny because Sarah Foster has a teenage daughter
called Valentina, and they so they're going to cast her
in the show, I think is the role of Miriam.
And they said to her and they're real straight talkers.
They said to her like, look, you're an NEPO baby,
so you can have it. You can have the role.
All you have to do is that you have to
physically come in the room and audition, because that's just
the rule for everyone. And she just didn't turn up,
so they gave the role to someone else, and afterwards.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She was like, hey, are good you didn't give me.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
That was meant to be my role, and they're like,
all you had to do was show up and basically
do nothing else, and you couldn't even do that, so
you don't having it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not deserve She was also five months pregnant doing the She.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Was pregnant at the beginning and didn't tell anyone and
then obviously got progressively more pregnant than they shot. So
I think they covered it quite well because you can
see in the end she's in very loose, very flowy
clothes and so her like very pregnant something that she's
showing photos you can't see.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
She plays that role of like she's Joanne's sister, but
I guess the single best friend. She plays it so
well where in certain scenes when Joanne's talking about like
her new boyfriend, and how much she loves him. Her face.
Every single woman knows exactly what's happening in her brain
when she's like thinking and like listening to these stories
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and thinking about it. And she plays that well, which
also didn't surprise me. And I'm glad that she didn't
come across as a villain when she leant into the
relationship with Noah's brother, even knowing that he is married
and stuff like saying that I had a sex dream
about him, like we're really close. Yeah, And I'm glad
that that didn't take away from like who she was
(14:34):
like as a person. Yeah, Because they're always made out
to be the villains, like the single, like sad woman. Yeah,
I really agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
There's moments where she could have lent into that, Yeah,
like the shrill best friend. It's like how the brother
could have gone into the villain mode. She could have
been to the shrill, angry sister, or they were really
setting her up at first not to be is like
to be like the one who lets the business down.
But I actually think that the relationship between the two
sisters is one of the most interesting and intricate parts
of this story. I mean, you and I both have sisters,
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and there's so many elements to this. It's like the
way they talk to each other, like the snappy things
they say, and the way they say could exactly they
make up two seconds later, the way they just like
share thoughts across, like just looking at each other like
it's very it's so sister coded, and I think that's
where you can tell the shows created by two sisters,
because the dynamic is so spot on.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And I was really impressed with the direction of the
fight that they had both the sisters that the audience
knew what actually happened, like the audience were aware of
the truth, because I think if the audience weren't aware
and were kind of like looking at it through Joanne's lens,
she could have come across so badly. So the sisters
are fighting because it was like an evolvement with an
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ex girlfriend, Joanne sent Morgan to do recon Morgan came
to Joanne and told her what she saw and Joanne's like,
I don't believe you, like you're lying to me, And
then Morgan says things along the lines of you've become
so boring since you've got into a relationship, like I'm
the one who has to like, hold up the podcast.
Now you're keeping things from an audience. And it kind
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of took me by surprise because these women are meant
to be like in their thirties forties, and it's that
line that every woman says at some point in her life,
but it's usually around like the early twenties, when your
friends are getting into relationships for the first time. It's
like that snappy area of friendship where you realize that
your person has found another person and you're not in
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on that. They're not telling you everything about their life.
They're building another life with someone else that you're not
in on, and then you just snap and you say
stuff like that. And I think they played it safe
by making them sisters, because sisters will always forgive each other.
But I feel like it would have been so much
more complicated if they were best friends. Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I love that you've pointed that out because I think
also it hits you maybe even worse in your thirties
and early forties, which There's been a lot of back
and forth over their ages before the show aired. Kristin
Mell and Adam Brody said that they never confirmed their
ages in the show, but they're both forty four in
real life, so like it's not out of the realm
of possibility that these characters are in their forties. And
(17:07):
Kristin Bell when asked about her, she's like, oh, she's
thirty ish at twelve, so kind of saying that potentially
like they are in their forties, even though they never
actually say it. And so both of them were saying
that sometimes the stakes do seem higher because it's a
life stage where so many people have coupled off. And
so if you're someone in your late thirties or early forties,
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your pool of other like single people who you make
your family with, whether that's your sister or your best
friend or anyone in that circle, it gets really small.
And that idea that that person will pair off and
leave you, to an extent, is like quite a real fear.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Because it's like, you're not even going to break up
with me, like you're just going to leave. And it
also what they did really well is show the hidden
cost of being the single woman, like the fact that
Joanne goes to camp with Noah and Morgan's left to
kind of deal with the business and go to the
meetings and stuff, which I thought was done so brilliantly
because there are these like little things that when your
friend gets into a relationship, it's just accepted by society
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that that's a really important thing for her to work
on and develop, and you just have to make good
with the scraps left behind.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Oh my god, I feel that
in my bones because if you're a single person in
a friendship group, there are certain rules that it's an
unspoken thing you have to follow, and I follow them
to and I hate that about myself. But it's like
if my friends are planning a trip or at night
we're going out to dinner, I'll say like, oh, well,
it's just me, so like anywhere you guys want to
go anytime, it'll work out, Like I'll just make myself available,
(18:36):
or oh you must be really you might have this
busy thing on, like I can do this part thing
for you. Or if you're going on a trip, you're like, oh,
you guys have the room like floor if they're all
paying the same amount, I can tell you that right now.
It's a thing of like you want to like let
people know that, like, oh, I know that this is
a really important thing and I'm not judging you, so
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I'll like kind of like pull myself back a little bit.
And I think Morgan does that in the show You're
so right, because she was like, at the end of
the day, we all agree relationship trumps anything else, even
though it shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And it's like the importance of French right, Like even
when it comes to just dating, like Joanne is, it's
if your friend is in a relationship and she's made
plans with her partner, that's okay. But if you've made
plans to go on a first date, that's not okay,
Like you should cancel because we had these plans. And yes,
it's like the complete indifference. Like people in relationships are
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allowed to have that secondary life, but you're their life.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah exactly, your life, yeah exactly. And I get the
other side of it too, because that's what comes into
play here is Joanne is kind of saying, like you
and I have had this relationship, well our whole lives
because we're sisters, but now this business relationship. We've built
this huge thing up, but now I have this other
thing and it's in a really fragile state. It's our
first weekend together, like and there's also that understanding that
we've been through so much together, can't you help me
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through this new bit of my relationship?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I understand that part.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Of it too, because you should also be able to
be like, at this point in time, I'll pick up
the slack fore you. And they talk about Morgan like
being divorced and stuff, so you kind of think, like
knowing how sisters were that like during all that Joanne
would have picked up the extra things, or during her
marriage would have picked up extra things, and so it's
like this give and take. But it is really hard
to manage those dynamics behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And it's the fact that you're scared to also speak up,
Like I think the whole reason that that blew up
was because Joanne thought Morgan was jealous of her relationship,
which is why she assumed she lied. And that's why
I feel like so many single women when they never
want to speak up because they automatically assumed that their
friend would just be like, oh, you're just you're saying
that because you're jealous.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It kind of seems like the ultimate trunk hard to
get thrown back in your face if you say anything
about your friend's relationship, like, hey, you're being really selfish
or he's treating you like shit, and then it's like
what Joanne says, She's like, you're just angry because you're
back on the sad dating apps. It's like that gets
thrown back in your face. So it does kind of
cut down what you can say, Oh my god, the relationship.
You're like, I am angry for this whole time, exactly exactly.
(21:01):
There's layers to this, but yeah, that's why I thought
The Sister dynam was so good, and that's why it's
like this huge. One of the best moments for me
is when they walk into the bar mits for it. Yeah,
in the slow mo hot I'm like, you know what
that is the triumph power.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It shows you that we have to talk about, in
my opinion, the best episode in the entire.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Can I say when I watch this because I watched
the screeners a lot earlier than you, and as I
was watching it, I thought, God, Emily's gonna love this bit.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is your episode fix piece of cinema I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Give them an oscar, even though it's a TV show,
gives them an oscar.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
They're scene I've never seen in any other dating show
or movie. And I guess that's because it's mainly like
a modern phenomenon, right, So it's about the ick.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, the ick?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
The ick? How would you explain the The ick is
when you're dating someone romantically and they do something that's
completely normal, that's not like bizarre or dangerous or red flag.
Something that's so normal, but you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's just a little of kilter, Like they say something
a bit awkward in front of people, or they'll start
eating in a funny way, or so your case. In
my case, I said, don't sit on my bed in
your outdoor clothes and be gross in my bedroom. That's
how my last situationship ended. I mean, obviously other things.
I got the icks so bad from that, or can
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just sometimes the way they just like they'll pronounce words wrong,
or it's something so little.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Mine was the way they eat. I was in an
arcade for a day, yeah, and we were playing ping
pong and then the ping pong bawl went away and
he couldn't he couldn't get it. He was running, but
it wasn't like a run together. It was like you
know that run where you're like ben death. You were
running and chasing it. That's so the ick. And also
once you get it, it hits you. So yeah, it's
all you can think about. And if you like them.
(22:53):
The whole theory about it behind the eck is that
if you like them, even if they do these ikey things,
you will still find them attractive. But this wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I think for the first time in document in cinema history,
we saw a true case of the ick in the
wild that was overcome. That's revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So No comes in in this suit jacket because he's.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Thrown off because he was expecting just to hang out
with his sisters. And you can see that he's really
built himself up with Morgan. He's brought her all these
funny gifts. He's looking really chill, and he's like, I'm
just one of you, like I'm one of his sisters.
And then all of a sudden, the parents are coming
and the dad's new boyfriend, and the whole game change.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The whole game changes. He leaves, he goes against flowers.
He comes back. They're talking about like Italy. He yells,
pray go. She gets it. From the second she opens
the door. She looks at him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Everything's a bit off because he looks really flustered, and
before that he looked very cool, calm and collected. The
flowers are way too big for the event he's at
and he can't hold them properly.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And it's the jacket, what does he call this? His
sports coat spots coat over his shorts.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And when her eyes trailed down from the jacket to
the shorts, I got the ick for Adam Brodie myself.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's like her portrayal of like showing what the
ick looks like on a woman's face and real life
was brilliant. And it's when he yelled out pray go,
which is like kind of normal, and she turned to
him and says something in my worst night, Miss She goes,
why did you say that so loud? He's like did I?
And like everyone else in the room is so fine. Yeah, yeah,
(24:22):
Like it's like, no, the itck only hits you, only
hits you. And I just think its like if I
said something and like my partner turned to me and said,
why did you say that so loudly? I would belt
to the floor die. So she needs a bit of
like time away. She goes outside like he leaves him
with her family goes outside, and Morgan, because she's a
(24:42):
best friend and every woman knows the ick face, says,
I know exactly what has happened. Oh, and it was
so easy, right like the script. Afterwards, she just goes, Oh,
that sucks. I can't believe I have to break up
with him, because I'm like, that's what you do when
you get the eke, you break up and he just
turns it completely around.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Which again that is a testament to the strength of
your relationship more so than converting or anything else that happens.
And it's because at the end of the day she
can really move past it. But you can see also
he's a bit trying to turn it a as well,
and seeing her family kind of accept him as well.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
There's a lot of layers to getting over the ink.
We also need to talk about the second, I guess
most fun episode. It was the camp episode. Oh my God. Yes.
So Noah is at this Jewish camp that he leads,
and he's bought Joanne on as like his date and
like they're technically meant to be girlf and a boyfriend
at this point, although it's never been communicated between either
of them. So they're at the camp together. She's kind
(25:37):
of pushing herself. I would say she's pushing herself to
kind of like understand his culture, understand his community. She
wants to learn more about him. She wants to watch
him give these sermon, She wants to learn about his career,
and he tries to hide her. It feels like he's
a bit embarrassed about her, and that is clear when
(25:57):
she ends up talking to a group of young girls,
A group of young girls who I would say are
like in their like fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
The scariest of ages, the scariest Thing's worse than a
teenage girl.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
There's so much scarier today.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They have way more information and power, and they all
look like they're in their forties because of how they
do their hair and makeup, and so they're just a
lot scarier than they were back in the day. And
they can get you in multiple places because they have
online access.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
A teenage girl who sees me and a man who
asks me, is he your boyfriend? Is my worst night.
It's like, I don't know, you're not meant to ask
me that, You're meant to just accept it as who
we are, Like all my other friends in fad.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Exactly, and they have this very idealized thoughts of like
what a woman in a relationship should be. And it's
one of those things where like at a young age,
you think things are a bit simple, like yeah, like
you know, you should do this and show your worth
and make him say that. And they're saying that to
Joanne and her whole you can see she's horrified she's
saying that about her in front of her.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
There's this one scene where she's like, guys, I don't
want to be lusting after a man when I'm fifty.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like it's like, I'm right here, right here, I know
her worst night. They're coming true, way worse than the egg.
And also because it's worse for her because she's like,
my whole life and personality is based off the fact
that I'm a strong, independent woman who doesn't take shit.
And now you, as she says to no Her later on,
she's like, you may be like dumb in front of
(27:21):
the teenagers, the people whose opinions I care about the most.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And I was like, fuck, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So true.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And the teenagers actually made her realize, like they broke
her out of that love spell where she was just
gonna hide away in the cabin for the entire weekend,
and she's like, no, I need to go for a
work meeting. Like, if you're not gonna want me here,
I'm gonna get out of here. And if she gets
out of here, and then the teenagers tell off.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Noah exactly like, well, hot, hot rabbi, hot rabbi, And
that's the whole reason he wants to take her there.
Obviously he has to go for work. But then he
was like, he says, like, I know they call me
hot rabbi.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
They're like, and you're being a dick.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I just also, we all need teenagers like that in
our lives. I know.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, they did speak the truth, and I think that's
the kind of interesting thing is that they almost remind
her she's in a rom comm and what she's supposed
to kind of how she's supposed to act. And then
Adam Brodie's character acts very appropriately, which I feel kind
of interesting. I feel like the read and people have
just fallen so in love with the character of Nowhere
is like, yes, everyone loves Adam Brodie, but that wouldn't
have been enough to get through. I think what's super
(28:17):
interesting is that he's almost this like idealized version of
what we all want in a partner like he is.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's almost like wish fulfillment.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's like it's like our version of a Disney Prince
for women who have been through the hard slog of
dating and relationships and who are in their either thirties
or forties, because there's so many moments that feels are
just pulled straight from people's lives, and it's like that
one scene that's going viral at the moment where she's
getting really freaked out thinking like she's too much, which
is something we all get told a lot, especially if
(28:49):
you're still single at that age. It's this idea like, well,
you're too much, you're too out there, you're to this,
and he just like I can handle you, Like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, And he also is that idea that women who
are dating like, there's like a list of things that
we inherently have learned and know that you shouldn't go for,
Like you shouldn't go from a man who's just come
out of a fresh relationship. You shouldn't go from a
man who gives you the egg. You shouldn't go from
a man who tried to hide you in a cabin
it could work, and like they make it into this
(29:18):
big thing as like it's okay if you still like
him because you're both learning and you're both growing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
One thing they worked really hard on was that their
kisses would be really great because it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Our kisses were crazy good. Yeah, they worked real hard
on most.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, it's funny because for a show that's hyped is
like the most romantic show of the year, there's not
a lot of physical affection. There's no sex scenes anything
like that. Like it's actually very devoid of that level
of intimacy. The intimacy we see is in their conversations
or just the way they interact almost in public, because
Adam Brody had this thing at the beginning of the
show where he said, like I'm always just gonna have
(29:52):
my hands on her face, and then Kristen Bell said, like,
we've got to look into each other's eyes for as
long as we can before we kiss every time, even
if we feel uncomfortable, even if it feels weird, We're
just got to commit to that. So when you see
their kisses, there's so much build up to the way
they're still the way he's always got his hands over
her face, the way they do it, and it's so
(30:13):
funny because the kiss scene that's the most famous from
the show, where they kiss in the street, Adam Brody
hates that scene really, he thinks, well, he likes the
kiss part of it, he doesn't like the setup because
if you remember, that's the part where he's like, put
down your ice cream. That's yeah, he hated that, but
he hated the line where he says put down your bag.
And afterwards Kristen Bells like, Okay, I didn't agree with
(30:36):
you when we were shooting it. I thought you were
being a bit, you know, ridiculous and you won't understand
what was happening. But now that I look at the scene,
it is a bit weird because I think initially she
was meant to have like a really big, heavy shoulder bag.
So he put down your bag. It was going to
be a bit of a sexy someone's gonna take it. Yeah,
so she puts down this tiny little bag. It's like
that bag was not the way. And Adam Brodie has
then a few different interviews he's like hated that.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They're also like in the middle of a sidewalk, I'm like,
of course, no one's walking behind you. I would have
been that like that one grumpy person like, can you
like at least move to the side, are you going
to do this? And now your bag's in the way
and I'm tripping over that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But apart from that, was a great kids And they
shot that kiss apparently so many times, like into the
early hours of the morning to make it really to
make it perfect. And it's this whole thing of these
two people just having that like undeniable spark. So coming
into the last episode, which is like I guess kind
of almost comes down to yes, the bumm it's for
and the kind of epic entry of Morgan and Joeanne.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But he refused to me the last episode, Oh how
too hard into it?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, it was meant to be the final kind of
showdown between Joanne and Noah's family, but also the cementing
of Noah and Joan's relationship with her, like saying that
she would convert for him. One thing I think it's
important to say about Noah's family is that everyone on
the show has said they're a fictionalized version, but I
think it's important to note that a lot of Jewish
women have not been super happy. I mean not speaking
(31:57):
for everyone, but like when a show comes out like this,
I try and really like go and seek out heaps
of different people's opinions on it and what different people
from different backgrounds think, because what I take away from
a show is going to be very different from say,
what Jwish woman takes sway and show, what a married
woman takes way, show, even what someone living in a
different country takes away from a show. And I have
seen some women say that they didn't sometimes love this
(32:17):
stereotype of like the angry Jewish woman, the shrew, the villain,
and I think we see a lot more layers to
those characters, especially Esther with the fantastic Jackie Tone playing her.
But I do understand that if you have seen a
stereotype in pop culture, and as we know, entertainment and
pop culture are so good at taking these stereotypes and
blowing them up, that that would be hard to.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Watch, yeah, especially because they were all mean. Yeah, like
there wasn't one that was nice until you ended up
seeing the layers. So I do understand. I think I
would have been slightly offended.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, I understand that but also I just loved
to kind of setup of like you have this moment
where in the bar Mitzva where Joanne and Norah have
this like kiss and it's all beautiful and she's converting,
and then she realizes the stakes and then.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He starts listing all these things she has to do. Yeah,
and like he was trying to like because it was
clear that she was converting for him, yeah, and he
was like, you're doing this for yourself, right, and she
was like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's my thing from my very minimal understanding of the
conversion is that the idea is that you go through
a lot and prove your investment in it, because the
idea is that you convert, even if that person were
to like pass away, then you would still raise your
children Jewish or if you were to break up, you
would still be in the Jewish faith. And so I
think that's why there's like a lot of layers too.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I think he also didn't want the responsibility of
it just being on him.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, And I think that's why that showdown with Rebecca
where she was like, you're living my dream, like just
so you know, it's a big deal, and you almost
think like she confirms it. It's almost like she was
never super in love with Noah. She was in love
with the idea of being a rabbi's wife. Yeah, and
the huge place that that held in her culture, which
I understand that, and then seeing Joanne be terrified by that,
and as I was like, I was looking at the
time and I'm like, Okay, we've got like four minutes
(33:53):
to go, what's going to happen here? Because I knew
it was going to end in a way with them together,
but I thought, oh, we're going to have a classic
like a chase scene, and I guess they kind of
had that with him being there when she arrived, shut
and the shuttle.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And the end. Yeah, they here someday decided to stay together.
But I think the end is what confused me was
has he quit? Like is he not going to be
a rabbi? Oh, he hasn't quit being a round. He's
going to be a rabbi and marry her. But like, well,
this is why I know I'm jumping ahead. But that's
like what the whole thing was about, right.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, I think they decide to still stay together and
stay in a relationship, but they don't decide to put
like in that moment, a definitive like, this is the
only way we will stay together. They were like, we
want to be together, and we will work this out
and we'll put the work in on both sides them.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, this is because he can't be the head rabbi.
He was told he can't be the head rabbi until
she converted. Yeah, and she doesn't want to.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, she just not right now, I think she was.
She was saying, I mean, there's a lot of layers
to it, but this is why, like a season two
hasn't been confirmed yet.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But this is why better better.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think it really has legs for a season two
because now you can see them in the throes of
the next part.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And also, like Sasha and Morgan's relationship needs to be developed.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh yeah, I was like, I don't want them to
have an affair, but I kind of do, Like I.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Love me, like I thought there was something wrong with me.
I'm not. I wouldn't be fair if they slept together.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What a show just loved. It's a weekend watch.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It is a weekend watch time where we give you
two movies or TV shows to take with you for
this weekend, and the rules are as always. You have
to watch them and then give us feedback on how
we did.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Are you just saying the rules out loud to yourself
then to remind yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
We have to watch them people. I'm saying, people have
to work, so everyone go watch them.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, there's nothing like in order to make everyone feel
like this is a fun podcast for their.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, no, you get homework in this podcast of anything.
So I want to talk about my week and watch
first because I'm very excited. It is Joan on Stan.
It stars Sophie Turner, who we absolutely love, but she's
in this new show called Joan on Stan where she
plays Joan Hannington, who's kind of mimicked after a real
person nicknamed the Godmother. So she was a real person,
(36:07):
famous jewelry three in the eighties in London. Promise me
I won't lose her.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's a tough day.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh yeah, what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
From a thief? What do you want? John? Did all
those striving dressinger of attending?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Job? Satisfaction isn't a crime? What the rest of it is.
I've watched only the first three episodes, like I've binged
them literally in one evening. But Sophie plays these accents
so well, and she kind of shows how with her
like jewelry thief personality, she like changes herself and she
(36:57):
shows that whole process of how she changes herself from
like her real life as like a single mother trying
to make ends and meet she has to put her
child into foster care just because she needs to make money.
She was involved in like a gang and she had
to escape that, like she's come from a really hard
spot and then on the other side the next day,
she's just kind of like cosplaying as this really glamorous
(37:18):
person who works in a jewelry store, who tries to
work in a hairdresser, who ends up just like stealing
jewelry because like she learns about jewelry, she's like, you
know what, I can steal it. And it is done
so so well. I've only watched the first few episodes,
but the way she kind of portrays a woman who
will do anything to get her daughter back, even commit crime.
(37:39):
It's done so beautifully. It made me cry. Even though
it's meant to.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Be kind of like action e comedy, it is an
action comedy as well, but it's so good undertone of
I've just started watching it as well, and I love it,
and she's so good and she looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, she's a hot pos Oh my god, it's a
good performance as well. Please put it on your list.
I need someone to talk to you about it. Your ten. Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I feel like this is gonna be a really hard
recommendation for me because I'm already at an emotional ten
after talking about nobody wants this, and this show always
kicks me up to at least a fifteen. Oh, I
haven't brought this up for a long time, so just
give me this, okay. As you know, one of my
favorite shows in the entire world is The Walking Dead
and when the Walking don't say anything Emily, And when
(38:18):
The Walking Dead ended, I was obviously devastated and I
cried a lot for days.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Where else it was going to go, well, the thing is?
It ended?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And then a lot of the main characters went off
and got their own spinoff shows, which I've both loved
and hated an equal measure because I love seeing all
my favorite characters going off in these new journeys, but
I also just hate the fact that they're not together.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
But one of the strongest other countries to visit, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But one of the strongest spin offs I think out
of all of them was The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Care did they go off by himself? He did.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He ended up in France, which is real tourning point
for someone who never left Georgia.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But I thought that's where Maggie and Megan went. No, no, no,
that's they went to New York. Oh don't. We can't
get into this right now.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
How did they get to from It's a whole story.
So he went off to find Rick. We found out
he was alive. A series of events brought him to France.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I'm not if this is the players I'm supposed to
be thinking about all the people who love Fine, they're
still thinking about me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
My man? It was here where is he? Would you
give up everything to look for somebody you haven't met?
There was a finding him alive. Yes, if you're across
The Walking Dead, you could almost watch this show, I think,
without it, because it does build its own universe. So
(39:36):
Norman Readers plays Darryl Dixon one of the hottest characters in.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
History because his character's hot.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, he's hot because his character's hot, Like, we don't
want to interact with him in real life. It's the
character was such a huge fan favorite for the over
a decade that The Walking Dead was on air, So
he got a spin off series and it shows him.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Going to France. Can I just a spoiler? I mean,
what is it? I mean if they end up getting
it with Carol?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
No, I know they would never How dare you got it? No?
So he goes off to France and you could almost
like pick up the story there. I mean, I definitely
thin everyone should go watch Walking Deck because it's great TV.
But it's also just like great world building of how
the apocalypse and how this disease of people turning into
walkers has affected different country and because it's been around
for a few decades now, you have all these different
(40:21):
societies that have sprung up. You have like this underworld
in Paris where people still live these huge, glamorous lives
but alongside The Walking Dead. And it's got Clements Posey
in it, who you might know from Gossip Girl and
Harry Potter and many other things as the other lead.
And it's just a really well made, great show. But
what's so intense about this new season? So the first
(40:41):
episode of season two has come out on stand this week,
and so Carol from The Walking Dead was originally meant
to be to spin off with him, but the actress
when the show ended was like, I just can't go
back into filming another show right now.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I need a break.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So she wasn't in the first season, and now she's
in the second season.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
She's made a way over it. The put so it's
Darryl and Carol.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I won't spoil anything about how their characters interact, or
if they find each other or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But when I tell you, when I sit down to
watch this, the.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Tears that were streaming down my face, Oh a hundred ball.
I mean I've had over a decade with these people,
you know what I mean? Like the intensity of this, Oh,
I can't even So The Walking Dead, Darryl Dixon, The
Book of Carol is out now on stan Cal. You
can watch season one. And like I said, if you
want to not watch The Walking Dead, like I'm judging you,
(41:32):
but you could just jump into this as an amazing show,
this dystopian world. The sets are amazing, the Walkers are amazing.
I just love it so much. New episodes dropping weekly.
The first one's out more tocom.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.
The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production
by Scott Stronik. We will be back here on your
podcast at three pm on Monday. Bye bye, lan It
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