SUMMER LISTENING: A Brutally Honest Review Of The Summer I Turned Pretty's Final Season

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Brace yourself, because in Em's own words - this episode is 90% brutal. We have some very strong words for Belly and the Fisher boys. From the love triangle antics that had us yelling at the screen to the plotlines we couldn’t get enough of (and the ones that… let’s just say, tested our patience), we unpack it all. 

Yep, we’re diving headfirst into a brutally honest review of The Summer I Turned Pretty’s final season.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's Laura Brodnick here, host of our pop culture and
entertainment podcast, The Spill, and this summer we're curating your
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top TV shows of the year, to the biggest movies
of twenty twenty five, and some of the classics that
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(00:39):
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(01:05):
your daily pop culture fix.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm Laura Brodnick, and I'm do you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Want to tell people what just happened? Or can I
get straight into it?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Okay, Spillers. Before we start each episode, to sync up
the microphones to the cameras, we have to do a
synchronized clap, so we count down from three in these
class together books, I was clapping quite close to our mic,
which is quite beautiful, but I scratched my hand and
now my hand hurts and I think it might subleed.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So if em disappears midway through the episode, you just
hear me monologuing it's because she's left to seek Meddal attention.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's just put me in a mood.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
There's such a drama, Queen.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was so excited for this episode, and we should.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Be excited because watch we bring it back around and
ignore your pain and suffering. You should be excited because
we have been waiting months and months and months years.
If you go from season one, yes, if you will
do this episode, because this is our brutally honest review
of the summer I Turn Pretty season three, the final episode, the.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Final countdown, using the whole song.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
First loves are important, but they're not as important as last.
I don't want to look at anything else now that.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I saw you. Have you ever been in love once?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't want to think of anything else now that
I thought you?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
What was her?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I loved him in a way that you can only
really do the first time around. But that's the past. Jeremiah,
he's my future. This is the way it's supposed to be.
He's the one.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Mast Ah. The Summer I Turned Pretty? What a title? Firstly,
really remember the summer you turn pretty?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm still waiting. I know everyone makes that joke, but
I a hundred percent I'm still waiting.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I know the summer I turned pretty? And was that
twenty eighteen?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Oh? What was the catalyst that I turned twenty one?
Yeap and a hot age it as belly knows.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
And I think that was just like where I was like,
I can do so many things with these tips.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's when you realize they're not a hindrance.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
They're actually when you're like, oh, I actually like these now.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I just would never turn pretty in summer. Like that's
why I left North Queensland where I grew up.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I feel like you turn pretty during winter and then
you happen in summer. You know what I mean, that's
what you do.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, no, I look horrendous in summer. So that's my guess.
When I say that I'll be going off this pot soon,
I'm joking. Anyway, the summer I turn I turn pretty?
This is gonna be a wild app stopping guys. The
Summer I Tend Pretty based on Jenni Hahn's best selling
trilogy of the same name. She's also the showrunner of
the season and basically the woman behind this whole worldwide

(03:53):
explosion of Team Conrad Team Jeremiah that we've all been
living through and survived the last couple of months. We
started the third and final season many months ago. The
finale aired on Wednesday night, and we're here to unpack
all of it. Obviously, if you're not a cross up,
really honest reviews, they have packed with spoilers, especially finale,
so just be aware of that. So, Emily, yes, we

(04:15):
start off the first episode of season three with Belly
and Jeremiah firmly ensconced in their relationship. How are you
feeling in that moment?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I was feeling actually really good about the first episode
because I feel like throughout all of the last two
seasons of the Summer I turned pretty We've just seen
Belly like being this love triangle between Conrad and Jeremiah,
and we knew that Belly was in a massive relationship
with Conrad in high school and then that didn't end

(04:48):
too well. For either of them, But we've never actually
seen on TV her being in a relationship. Yes, it
was always like either coming out of a relationship and
we were seeing kind of like flashbacks of what it
was like. We never actually got a storyline relationship with
her until the first episode of this season.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh okay, I hadn't actually thought of it that way,
because in my mind, this girl has never been seen.
But you're right, we're seeing it all in flashbacks and
like little fragments of the relationship starting. So and then
we have a time jump, which I thought was interesting
is that we see her getting to college and you
can see Laurel is just like, please don't go to
college with that boy who's basically your brother attached to you.

(05:25):
But they stay together for the four years of college,
and then we're coming into Jeremiah's final year and we
kind of see where all the pieces of this puzzle
have landed. So we have Jeremiah and Belly have stayed
together all through college. Not great for them. Jeremiah then
finds out that he can't graduate on time. Classic Jeremiah,
Classic Jeremiah. As Adam would say, yeah, as Adam would say,

(05:46):
oh my god, I'm doing that thing where I'm now
the age where I side with the parents. I'm like
Adam is like right to be disappointed in Jeremiah, and
Laurel is right to say they shouldn't get married.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Laurel is one hundred percent my favorite.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Jusanna's the only outlier here telling these kids to do
wild thing from the gage. She just loves watching the
well burned because she loves watching a mess. Stephen and
Taylor we find out having broken up for a while
and are both in relationships, but secretly hooken up and they've.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Been having an on again up again. That's very messy,
and neither of them are admitting their true feelings.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Having a secret affair, which in any other team romance
would make them the villains. But in this story, this
messed up little world of the summery term pretty that
we live in makes them our favorite actual slow Burn romance.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I actually really like their relationship.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
And Conrad has just removed himself from the situation.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Conrad, which is medical.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, he's busy becoming a doctor. God doesn't make your
doctor look like that. Well. I actually think it would
be quite dangerous to have him as a doctor, because
Conrad constantly, even when he is so happy, has a
look on his face that he's about to deliver devastating news.
Even when he tells Bellie he loves her, he looks
like he's telling her that she has a terminal illness.
So if that was your doctor, every time you have
him around the corner, you'd be like, I'm dying. That

(06:59):
man is about to deliver bad news. And he just
has resting, sad NewSpace.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
He has resting, sad NewSpace. That is so so true.
He also makes a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Which as a ruled by his emotions. For someone who
doesn't say a lot, yeah, yeah, he's probably should be
too busy yearning.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
He's a yearn.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
He's a yearn. But think about a yearna is eventually
you've either got to make a move or go and
yearn after something else.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, what do you think is the best thing to
yearn after?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The first thing to yearn after?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Say okay, saying you don't have a crush going on here,
but you missed the idea of yearning. What would you
yearn after?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I'm thinking of Quinton Bronson on the Emmy's Red Carpet
saying she dreams of rest I dream of being alone
in my home or alone on a beach somewhere. I
yearn for loneliness. I'm surrounded by people so much. Oh,
my god, yearn.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I yearn for ocean.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
You hate the beach.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I hate beach.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I like ocean. Oh, that's right. You want an ocean
filled with no animals.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
My ideal ocean would be the full ocean with just
like a concrete floor and no animals in the ocean.
Like I basically want a big pool, but with like
fresh salt water.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I feel like they do have those somewhere. Anyway, speaking
of ocean, I'm desperately trying to keep us on track.
Speaking of ocean, No one has been back to the
cousins of each house.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
No eveen back.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's right, they don't.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's a bit too sad.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
After it's a bit too sad to Susandam's passing. Also
the whole Belly and Conrad situation. But we do find
out that Belly and Conrad had a bit of a
secret hookup over Christmas in the cousin's house. They well,
they had and they didn't even talk to each other
had you know, how like you emotionally cheat on someone
it's worse than physically cheating. They have an emotional hookup.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't even think they did that. You know what
they did what they had a relationship, a non physical
relationship in that house for that one day. Like the
scenes from that moment of them being in the cousin's
house together without realizing they were going to be there
together over Christmas was so typical of the most comfortable relationship,
like her just being on her laptop watching a movie,

(09:08):
him just said on the couch doing the frost word,
like being comfortable in each other's silences and still being together.
I think that was so well done because it just
showed how comfortable they would be if they were in
a relationship together.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yes, it kind of shows even though they didn't do anything.
That's the whole thing of true intimacy. Light is like
the person. I always think the most romantic thing I've
ever heard is this podcast I love saying that when
she met her husband, she felt like she was alone.
And when she says that, she means that she's so
comfortable in their home together with him, that it's the
same comfort she's felt being alone. And I can say
that's the only reason I'd fall in love with someone,

(09:43):
was there, Caroline o'dnna here, No, it was Pandora psychs.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh yeah, Ahilo, Oh my god, god, that's such a
good statement.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So that's what I kind of thought. You're right about
them being the house together. They had that comfort together.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So but he did pick her up from the ground
when she felt I.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Think that's Jenny harn loves a fall. Oh does she?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, she loves she loves having her like female characters
just be on the ground in the most perfect way.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
You need a link to what's your reference to.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
All the boys I loved before? Okay, yes, yes, we're
Lara Jean just like faints and like the hairs in
like the most perfect pony. And then Peter Kruminski is
like hovering over her. Yeah, and she I think she
falls a few times. And then also Kitty and Exo
Kitty falls.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I think it's in her heart. Jenny Hart and she.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Said women love fall in beautiful ways.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, yes, women fall in beautiful ways, which is classic
rom com trope and a classic old school Hollywood of
the clumsy. Yeah again, anyone who grew up watching rom
coms loves the clumsy yet beautiful heroine. So I don't
fall like that though if I fall, I would like
crash into crush everyone around me.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I felt recently and it was quite awkward and
very sad looking.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
In real life, it's not sexy. It's not just like
when caught in the radio the Dame like in a
rom calm romantic. In real life, we.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Need Jenny Hart to teach us.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, so we're sort of seeing where all these puzzle
pieces are. I'm really trying to keep I need this
to be an unhinded episode. And of course all this
the whole Christmas thing, and a few bumps in Jeremiah
and Belly's friendship leads them to taking something that rom
coms and TV shows have taught us is always a
bad idea going on a bit of a break but

(11:17):
not establishing the rules before the break where she thinks
they're sort of still together and he thinks that they
are broken off, and so he acts out.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
He acts out to someone else.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
What's her name? They say it so many times, Lacey Barone.
That's right, because when Stephen finds out, he says.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He's like Lazy Barone. He cheat on her with Lazy Baron,
who the fuck is Lazy Barone?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean they did make Lazy bron out to be
a villain because remember the party, she's saw a villain.
Yeah no, but they kind of make her out that way.
The party is like she's gossiping about it, and that's
how Belly finds out. In another story, Lacey Browne is
the hero and she falls in love with this guy,
only to find out he's in love with the girl
he's about to propose to.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Because I would watch The Summer I Turn Pretty season
one and two going oh my god, I wish I
was Belly, And then we got season three and I
was like, I'm Lazy Barone.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Isn't that show? I'd be lazy Barone?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Sometimes everyone hates I'm like, I had sex with a
single man, What do you want from me?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
And twice it wasn't like it was a mistake you twice,
I want to know. I want the Summer I Turns Pretty,
spin off Starry Lazy Borone, because that's happened to all
of it. At some stage, do you think you're in
a love story only to find out you're actually a
footnote in someone else's love story?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
You know what Lady Baron should have ended all of
these weddings.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Maybe she'll show up in the movie.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Baron should get the cousin the keys to the cousins
the cousins.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
When the movie comes out. If it's Belly and Comrade's wedding,
Jeremiah shows up to the wedding with Lacey Baron.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
With oh no plot twist, she shows up to the
wedding with Adam.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Oh great, Oh my god, brad Any harm please call.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm like, well, you finish the script because I know
both Conrad and Jeremiah will be annoyed with that, and
also Belly.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, and that's what scene will be like, who is that?
It's like, who's lazy? Baron?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Won't tell me?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
What were your thoughts when you watch the breakup scene
with Jeremiah and Belly knowing it was gonna last but still.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, it was very high school for me, which I
mean they've only just come out of high school. So
basically what happens is they're at this party, this house party.
They both had a few drinks. She finds out that
Lazy Barone hooked up with Jeremiah when Jeremiah and her
were on a break when he was in Carbo. Yeah,

(13:31):
It's a really good pr marketing scheme for Carbo because
I really want to go now go there.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Took up with someone, go then.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Hook up with someone as told as Jeremiah, and she
finds that out. She confronts him. They have a big
argument in the front yard.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
She slaps him, and her just stressed. A lot of
Tongue's acting here is so cold, My god, amazing because
her just stress and like the way it vibrates through
her and she was like wailing. She was, yeah, yeah,
you can really feel like when you had that first
proper big heartbreak, you feel like that moment for her,
it's worse than when she had her breakup with Conrad,
because even though she he at the end of the

(14:05):
day is her like true love, she'd been with Jeremiah
at this point for years and so and it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Just a heartbreak, it was a full betrayaling.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
That betrayal and.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like seeing a character assassination happening before you, I think
was so poignant as seeing that as such a young
person as well, because I've always feels like something that
I've seen like happen to like women in rom coms,
like a bit later in life, not like so so
early on, where like the stakes us feel so much higher. Yeah,
and like she's getting this absolute betrayaler, and not just

(14:35):
because she was in a relationship with him, but because
she knew him as a kid. So it's like knowing
someone and thinking you know everything about them and then
doing something that you had no idea they were capable
of even doing.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, And especially because it's also the loss of like
that childhood kind of innocence and safety that she had.
That's always been the extra layer of heartbreak with this
whole love triangle of family with the Fisher boys is
that every time she has a breakup or they have
like a fracture relationship, or any time it essentially doesn't
just end a relationship, it pulls their family apart. And

(15:06):
in that moment, she thinks she's breaking up with Jeremiah,
in that moment for good, and that's her last tie
to the Fisher family that's like her family because she's
a strange from Conrad. She's not going to call Adam
off to hang out. Susanna's passed away, and so it's
like the severing of a family tie, which I think
is why towards the end of the season when the
wedding doesn't happen, when Jeremiah has that anguish in the

(15:28):
car and says like, I love you Laurel when she's
getting out, and it's like, yeah, every time your kids
break up, you essentially lose a parent or you lose
it because he was losing Laurel in his family, and
even why you don't date your kind of sibling, don't
date your cousins guys.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, and even in that moment when she says, like
during that like heated moment where she's like wailing and
she says, you know, I've only been with one other person,
and he straightaway gets broad back to reality and he
was just like, yeah, I know, yeah, it's my brother.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah exactly. It's so interesting too, the whole dynamic between
them because it's been changed so much from the books.
And that's all Jenny Hahn trying to not just make
Belly a different character from the books, but she wanted
to make it clear from the very big that she
was always going to choose Conrad, because in the books,
Belly doesn't lose her virginity to either of them. Yeah, Instead,
they had that flashback sequence where you see Belly lose

(16:19):
her virginy to Conrad, and Jenny Harnt did that very
specifically so that people would know that she would always
choose him first when given the option, and that she
kind of wanted to bring it full circle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I didn't really agree with that though. Really I felt
like it was too picture perfect having her have sex
with Conrad before Jeremiah, whereas, like, I feel like, more realistically,
it would be her having sex with Jeremiah first because
because they were older. Yeah, to get older and together longer,
and then still end up with Conrad. What I didn't

(16:53):
really like about this whole season was I was expecting
this real push and pull between the two brothers. Yeah,
and right from episode one, because the cheating happened in
episode one. Yeah, you're immediately on team Conrad, and you're
on Team Conrad for the whole season. Literally, everyone I've talked,
I haven't met a single team Jeremiah person from the season.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, because people who are Team Jeremiah, what they actually
mean is I like him, not I think he's going
to end up with them.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's like I like him, and I feel like I
think it should have been done in a way where
we still see Jeremiah as like a great person and
a great option, and I think that he was just
made so unlikable and so meme like that, Like it
wasn't like a Team Edward tem Jacobs situation where it
was like there were both good qualities and bad qualities

(17:39):
from each person, so every woman was literally fifty to fifty,
whereas like right now, in this last season, it was
very much obvious that they wanted Conrad to win, so
they I think they were scared to gamble with Jeremiah
also being a winner.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, that's so true. I mean, I think, I mean again,
I've been canceled for saying this, but I'll say it again,
especially in the last episode. I think Jeremiah has a
lot of points of redemption throughout this season. But they're
not points of redemption that they're making him the main
love interest. They're points of redemption that you're supposed to
see him as like the valiant off sider who who
at the end of the day stepped aside for his
brother and his true love and then he was never

(18:13):
meant to be with Belly. But you're right, Jenny Hahn,
from the beginning, but especially towards the end of season
two through season three really wanted everyone to know that
she was team Conrad, because after Conrad sees Jeremiah and
Belly kissing for the first time post their breakup in
the book, they all do get in the car together,
but Conrad ignores them both and won't talk, and so

(18:33):
in the book you're kind of meant to think, like, oh,
he's just out of it, but in the TV show
he's kind of like nagging them both a little bit
and like calling them out on it and being very vocal,
And Jenny Hahn herself has said she's like, I wanted
you to know from that moment that he was never
stepping aside. He was never at the picture. He's still
in the game and he's not going to let it go.
So the whole way through she was like planting, not

(18:54):
even like in a secret way, they weren't even easter,
just like literally slapping you across the face.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
She does that so well where she was able to
fully analyze what audiences took from each scene in her
book and make sure that like the emotions and the
feeling she wanted applicated had to be changed to see
it visually in the actual series. And I think that
car scene where he's like a bit drunk and like
making fun of them and stuff was like so different

(19:20):
to what his quote unquote normal persona is.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah. Absolutely, So from then on, we're gonna kind of
follow this string through. From then on we have Steven's
car accident again. I also loved how they just made.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Even had a bad rap, but I was like, get
injured in the car accident and get yelled at.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, But then at the end he gets the girl
and the business, and actually he came out of it
quite well. If we're doing scorecards on where everyone is,
he came out of this whole show like shining. So
he's on a huge character in the books. They obviously
like really wrote him up to be in the TV
series and like made his character more fleshed out. And
I think his relationship with Taylor actually has I actually

(19:58):
think Stephen and Taylor have way more chemistry than Belli
does with Jeremiah.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I agree, And I also think Taylor's character development in
this season was the best out of all the other characters. Absolute, Like,
I think she is one of the best characters in
this show. I didn't really get on with her, like
she's my friends in the first two seasons, Yeah, and
I think she was very much a side character, especially
in season one, and she would just like come to
the cousin's beach when she was free. And then in

(20:25):
season three, this final one, she actually got so much
more screen time than the previous two seasons, and her
just being that like adult in that group of friends
was just so important, like her having to be Belly's
mom when Belly's mom wasn't there for the wedding, her
having to be her mom's mom to like look after
her finances, her having to be so in tune with

(20:48):
her emotions to know when she can be with Stephen
when she can't. Like it was such a mature character
to play, and I think she was able to be
that kid in season one and two and was able
to then just transition into being an adult in season three,
and I think that was done really well.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah. Agree. I think sometimes with Belly and Taylor, like
Belly sometimes suffers from like a classic main girl syndrome
where she's a bit of an audience insert so like
you're supposed to be able to insert yourself into her world
and you're almost picture yourself being her, so that things
happen to those characters that don't make things happen, whereas
the side character is there to bring the storyline and

(21:23):
the drama, so they often become the more interesting one,
the one who gets to have the bigger storylines and
the one who grows the most. And we see that
like in the OC with Summer and Marissa. We seen
in One Tree Hill with Peyton and Brook, Like, there's
so many times like that where sometimes the main girl
has to become a bit of the damsel in distress
and gossip girl. Yeah, and gossip girl exactly like Blair

(21:43):
over Serena becomes the more interesting character. It's because they
get to have an arc more so than the main
girls always just tormented.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I wish we had more of Taylor, which we had,
like her across more seasons of being a mainish character
because this last season also, if you just took out
all the scenes with Connor and Jeremiah just showed their friendship.
Belly is not a good friend to Taylor.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh yeah, exactly, Yeah, Like I would.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Hate to be her friend. She's chaotic.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, she's chaotic, and she kind of does sometimes, isn't
there for Taylor's Belly's there for her the same way
that Taylor is there for Belly, And even though she
doesn't agree with the whole getting married thing, she just
after her initial shock at the news, she just throws
herself into being the world's best made of honor, despite
the fact that she doesn't think the wedding should be happening.
And as someone who's also done that in real life,

(22:29):
that's fricking hard to do to be like, let me
cheer on this wedding. You should be marrying this guy,
but let me cheer you on, like it's a huge thing.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And even just going to be with her in Paris
and stuff for New Yearsy for like one night.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think she was there for I mean again in Paris.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
A paras is fine, but I mean like she loves
her with her whole heart, and I think you really
saw that through this final season, and I was like,
this is an uneven friendship.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Do you think moving on to like when they've had
the whole like they're getting engaged and they're designed we
to tell everyone they're going to Susannah's memorial at Cousins Beach,
that that was the right time to tell the family
about their engagement.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Absolutely not that was insane. And then she held up
her finger and she's like, look, I'm like, no one
can see your ring. What are you showing them? Adam
was so confused. Laurel was so fuming. Yeah, because we
were already angry at that. So they had the memorial.
That was fine, But then they had that family dinner
at that restaurant that Laurel was like, I'm gonna pay for.

(23:26):
So we were already as an audience angry because Laurel
just says she's paying. And then Adam orders a surfenter
and the seafood.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Everyone really thought he was a crazy villain for that,
But I don't think it was that bad. That was horrible.
What do you mean If you look at that screenshot
of the menus, everyone was passing around like there's only
like a thirty dollar difference between like what Saint Conrad
ordered and what Jeremiah ordered, and Laurel said she was
paying one forced her hand.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, thirty dollars is a lot of.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I know I'm saying, but once you're already paying for
like a five hundred dollars dinner, what's extra a couple
of hundred? Okay, obviously I'm team Laurel and the whole show.
I can't stress that enough. I'm on that woman's side,
but I just think that that wasn't quite the huge
villainous reveal that people thought it was.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I mean, not gonna lie. Adam is also one of my.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Fair characters I actually sometimes quite agree with.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I quite agree with that in my life.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
He's like, these children shouldn't be allowed to behave like. Yes,
he is a messy bitch.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
The fact that he's holding on to Jeremiah and Belly's
wedding champagne.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Brings out it every opportunity.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Even in places that don't require champagne at all.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Him walking over to her mother's grave started her funeral.
He's like, champagne from your wedding, but you didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Have I know, I'm not invited to the dinner, but
I bought champagne from your wedding.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's so funny with the ring thing,
because Jenny Harn just said that she did not expect
that to blow up the way it did, of him
having such a tiny ring and of.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Him musing the wiring of his glasses to make a
ring case.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Hey, that ring has a little diamond in it the
one he gets does it couldn't see it. It's pretty small.
If you get right in there, you can see it.
But I think that it's fair what Jenny Harm was saying.
She's like, if you had a big ring, everyone be like,
where did he get the money? Fat? He doesn't have
the money for it. If a college student who yes,
comes from a very rich fan. But he's as we
found it, lady. He's also maxed out some credit cards,
even the tiny out on that ring, though he definitely

(25:15):
didn't he makes all those looxie pools out over the season.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
But then also him getting the tiniest, tiniest ring and
then going let's go apartment shopping.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, but that's because they were homeless.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, but they weren't really like they were in Adam's house.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
She's just messy. Yeah, what did you think about that?
That's when a lot of people weirdly started to turn
on Belly because they're like, wait, no, I.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Turned on her from the beginning, the beginning.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You would never teen Belly.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I've never teen Belly.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Oh, come on, don't even know the thing is about Bell?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
You don't want a bad friend. She doesn't know how
to date people. With no siblings.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
She doesn't know how to date people who want the
Fisher boys. It doesn't matter day people know siblings.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
She's so mean to her mum.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, she doesn't know how to clean her hair.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't even think she knows her dad's name. I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, actually, what is that man's name?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
What? I'm not wasting my brains face on that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm not sorry, guys much.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
We're not even gonna look it up. No, I you know,
well I can't put if I put that into my
head and another important facts going to fall out.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
That also, what happened to Sky?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Who do you remember Sky?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
In season two?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Again, that was not in the books, And there's a
reason why, because that was boring as hell.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. Do you think that was them trying to see
there will be a spin off show and cousins maybe,
and then they didn't.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I just think when they did that thing for Stranger, I.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Think they needed a bigger storyline in Villain in season
two because in the book it's Adam trying to sell
the house, and I think that they needed to kind
of flesh out a bit more.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
So.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
They introduced Poorkisedgewick didn't know she was going to be
the most hated woman on TV. Everyone usually loves her.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Doing the most to lift this on my tent pretty
season two off the Grad.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Become the World. I mean, that was a terrible season.
Let's just be honest. But Conrad does reference Aunt Julia
at one stage just to make the connection, just to
make the connection they say, I think they say one stage, Oh,
Sky and Julia are sad they can't come to the wedding,
and I was like, they were just not.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Because they didn't have the budget.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, they're not paying those guests.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
No, no, no, they had to put all that money into
Jeremiah's ring. Yeah, can't be inviting family to the winning.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
So we have the engagement announcement, and from then we
see Belly's estrangement from her family. And again that's the
point when Jeremiah comes into the house and explains to Laurel,
brings her flowers and sits her down and tries to
explain why he wants to marry Belly. And he's very
calm and adult and very kind about it. I know
the bar is so low for men, but that's where

(27:36):
it is. That was the first point where I was like,
maybe I'm team Jeremiah.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Right, Okay, because that whole like blowout with Laurel and Belly,
it was so intense, and that kind of also made
me a bit like, I'm not sure if this is real,
like real real, mean, because I'm from an Asian household.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
If I spoke to my mom like that, if I
was twenty twenty one and I went to my mom
because she was swearing at her, mum, yeah, she was
like fuck you and then like left and was like
I'm gonna go be with this boy. My mom would
chain me to my bed and keep me there till
I was forty. Yeah, like that is literally, And then

(28:16):
when I was looking, I was like, this is not
the Asian household.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
This is not it. It's like interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think it was one of those things because the
show was so so massive and Jenny harn is so
good at inclusion and using like diverse characters, But I
think you also have to gamble with what would the
western ized storyline be in this situation, and that was
a very much westernized mother daughter storyline playing out. It
just wasn't realistic to the Asian culture. And like the

(28:42):
Asian TVs and shows that I've seen and I thought
that was a bit of a like, oh, it just
felt like a cheap way out, like a cheap way
to have a fight.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, you think it should have been You think that
not even Laura telling her to leave. That doesn't fit either.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It doesn't fit at all, Like that is not something
that I.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Guess those things where sometimes you have to mess things
up a little bit just get your characters to where
they needed to be.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And I also feel like they've already had too man
Like was it season two where she was like camping
out in the house without telling Lauren and they had
that massive fight and Laurel slaps her. Oh yeah, yeah,
Like that was a realistic like mother daughter fight to me, Like,
I was like they made it so so real and
I felt like they didn't need to do that again
for season three, Like I just felt like it was
an unnecessary fight. I think what Laurel's character was so

(29:24):
good at is like being that mum where she loves
Jeremiah and loves Conrad but doesn't want to see her
daughter like waste away in a relationship yea. And the
way she even said.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
To her ex husband, yeah, where.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
She was like I don't regret marrying you. I regret
marrying at such a young age and losing myself in
a relationship that's.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Such a young They catalyst the whole time for her
not wanting to Yeah, But also I think there's always
something where like I think, who Laurel is really angry
at but she can't be angry because she's dead, is
Susanna because that's her best friend and soulmate, and she
essentially set up their children to be together in some
way and always really pushed that, and I think Laurel

(30:07):
was never super on board with that. Now it's happened,
and now they're all called to this webit.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It was always Susanna saying stuff like that, But in
the flashbacks, Laurel never said stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Like that because she's probably like, what do you mean
my daughter's going to marry one of your sons?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
My daughters ate It's like it's crazy, very creepy.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Arranged marriage vibes very creepy.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And even the way like in the flashbacks with Susanna,
where like she gives Belly her own room in the
cousin's beach house, and like she's talking to her like
as if she is her daughter and Laura's just in
the kitchen cooking. Yeah, like this is really weird vibes.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, I might definite understand her looking at her as
a daughter. It's her looking as a daughter who's definitely
going to marry one of her sons. And again, I
think the fact they were all raised as siblings is
never really brought up and off.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
So then we get into the depths of planning the
wedding and we see Laurel not want to go wedding
dress shopping.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I found that part realistic, as like the mum of
someone who's really young getting married where where they don't
want to be involved at all or they're like as
like I think it's like the last hope, right of
saying I'm not coming to your wedding as a last hope,
like she won't have this wedding fight on yeah yeah,
and then eventually she has to give.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
In, knowing that she has to Churnelean into it. But
this is also where we start seeing the seeds be
laid for people turning more against Jeremiah because he becomes
a bit of a groomzilla. What is it The double
tear chocolate cake with raspberry Cooley r He's like, we
have the cake or the weddings.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Off.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, He's like, that's the one thing I wanted, Ellie.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
And that's so interesting because doesn't a lot of that
happen in the episode we get from Conrad's perspective.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, episode Yeah hits his narration.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's like, what have I done? Yeah, it's interesting.
That is the first episode that Jenny Hahn directed. Oh
and the reason she did that is she said that
Conrad is such an internal character, like we're never really
meant to know what's going on in his mind.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
He does a lot of like silent actings.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yes, a lot of silent acting, a lot of I
don't know if that act is doing it on purpose. Off,
he's just dead behind.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
The Yeah, a lot of like looking around.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, but you're meant to think that there's a whole
part of his mind that we never get access to.
So when it came time to let him have his
moment of him telling his side of the story, Jenny
Hahn was like, I'm going to step up and direct
for the first time because I need to be the
one to handle this. Like essentially, because she created that character,
she's the only one who could tell his story and
have his POV, which led to her directing, which is

(32:29):
a great episode.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And that episode was the best episode of the season.
It's just Billy and Conrad together and he's just helping
her with like all of the chores and tar she
has to do to get ready for the wedding because
Jeremiah is now working for his dad.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yes, and that's where we also get strikes again.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Adam strikes again and again introduced to Denise, and we
find out that Adam's in a relationship with Kaylee, who
is a woman he cheated on Susannah with and she's
much younger than years.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I actually thought a bit bad for Kaylee because I
feel like she was just weirdly groomed by her boss
when she was so young when she had an affair
with Adam, probably not knowing that his wife whole wedding unpaid. Yeah,
and then he's basically like, hey, let's get together. I'm
not like he was maybe hot ten years ago. He's
now just a creepy old dude who made her plan
his son's wedding and then apparently like wasn't like nice

(33:17):
to her parents. There's some unlying story there, and I'm
so glad she broke up with him.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Imagine hooking up with your boss thinking you're going to
get a promotion, and yet you get a wedding to me,
and you.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Had to plan a wedding, and you walk into that
room and the mother of the bride and everyone else
hates you. And then you have to put up with
this creepy man child who's only caring about how much
money he spent on champagne.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And then after the wedding you go home to like
your sharehouse with all the girls. Yeah, and then you're like, guys,
these kids are insane. Yeah, this girl was dating this brother,
but then she's marrying this brother. But now she told
that brother that she loves him and she'll always love him,
And now the whole thing's off. And I'd put in
a lot of effort into the way.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I planned that wedding and they didn't even go those
spoiled frats. Oh my god, the debrief with Kayleie and
her friends when she got back to her So I
just got a physical pang that I missed that. And
they're not even real people.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I want a deep no. And guess what what one
of her how lazy.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I have to say the same thing. Please, can we
have a spin off with Kaylee and Lady Bone. We
need that.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
The summer we killed two brothers, the summer we murdered
a family rap the Fisher brothers.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh my god, that's a story of one of her
pulling her suitcase up a six flight walk up to
go back to her share apartment and be like, dating
the old guy was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
She has all the wedding champagne and now the dad
wants a champagne back.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Leading into the wedding, we have the rehearsal dinner and
the wedding rehearsal itself, and that's the moment that everyone
was screenshotting and trying to find secret clues because it
looked like Taylor was potentially getting married. Yeah. It also
people thought it was a flash forward to Conrad and
Belli's wedding, but actually quite like the way it played out.
I mean again, the whole thing about the Summer I
Turn pretty season three is we're watching a show where

(35:04):
we know the ending, essentially, like even if you hadn't
read the book, you know where this is going. So
we're just we're not watching it to find out what happens.
We're watching to find out how it happened.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, And the wedding was I think so well done
because it was so casual, yeah and like simple, and
then in the background all of this chaos was happening.
I think the biggest takeaway from that wedding is how
everyone hated Taylor's wet hair. Look. Yeah, well, I'm so

(35:34):
in the next episode where I continued her hair wasn't
a butN.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, because someone was like, don't cut the hairs. Well,
everyone's like her mom's a hairdresser, and then her hair
looks like being a strogt caught in the rate.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
On the other day, imagine her mom saying that it
was a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
It was a lot. So we have the breakup scene,
which is everything I mentioned it would be not in
a good way. It kind of feel like it needed
to happen. But it's still that moment where Jeremiah's realizing
that even if he does get her down the aisle
and she was willing to go, that she'd never actually
love him.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, and we found out about like Christmas and then like
he we found out that he knew about the Christmas thing.
What I found in that conversation was like what Jeremiah
was saying to her.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Was actually quite fairy.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like he was like, I can't like do this, like
you're still in love with my brother, Like I can't
do it. And even in her in a monologue where
she says, I know that if I say I still
want to get married, he will marry me. And I'm like,
that is so true, Like you could literally say that
each like this girl could like tell each brother at
any time in her life, I want to marry you,
and they would exactly.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And to her credit, she does not abuse that power.
Does that make you like him already still hate her? No,
I don't hate her like you hate her. You just
listened to all the reasons before you hated her.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Again, maybe we all see a little bit.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I would have just lied and been like, no, I
don't like him, or just.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
To get through the weddings.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's such an expensive wedding. Your mom just got around it.
I know she's not gonna be able to get married
ever again.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Now, well she can't know that's gonna happen. Wait for
the movie. But no, no, you can't walk down the
aisle towards someone I know people do it every day,
But I feel like, you can't walk down the aisle
to marry someone if you're like I don't actually want
to marry you. Yes, you care, and I think that
you shouldn't. History has taught us, and pop culture and
the Kardashians has taught us that you shouldn't get.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
You shouldn't do it, but you can.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You can do it. You can. So what did you
think of her heading to the airport to Paris.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I thought that was a good decision.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I saw like kind of the conversation around it being like,
she's crazy, No one would do that. And I actually
think in that moment, because in that moment, you're like,
what can I do to make this? Like I haven't
fucked up my life? What can I do? And the
whole thing about her choosing not to go to Paris
was such a huge thing, and she was essentially saying
goodbye to her dreams, her independence, the life she could

(37:45):
have had, and choosing to marry this boy and live
in a little shitty apartment because he had bad credit.
And so it was almost like she had this chance
to do and make good, but time was of the
essence because she had to get on the plane then,
so I actually thought it made a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's also that thing where you do something so so embarrassing,
like so humiliating, that you just need to leave the country.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
And I wanted to do that so many times. She
physically did that.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
No one in the world has done something more embarrassing
than what she did Ahi Emily, So she physically had
to leave the country.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And I know there was also so much talking about
Conrad being in the airport. They're like, oh, he's taking
a domestic flight and she was taking international flight. They
shouldn't have been the same airport. And that, I say,
let the story happen.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Also to that, I say, American apples are crazy, Yes,
like they're actually insane.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
That actually is another realm possible.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's very much real.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
So this is the time I've related to Belly the most.
When she gets to Paris, not only because she's messed up,
well not she has messed up. That poor guy who
I think lost his job over this. She's not in
the program. He messed up.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
He messed up.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
The most I've ever related to Belly Cochlin is when
she is just you have this idea of going to
this place where you're going to be a new person.
I think we all have this when we travel, especially
when we travel for the first time in our twenties,
where you think, I'm going to get to Paris, I'm
going to be so like together and mysterious and sexy,
and my life's going to look like this, And the
reality is that you're dragging your suitcase and your backpack

(39:07):
around those fricking cobbled hard to navigate the streets. Wheels
are yeah, and your wheels are breaking, and you're tired,
and you're dirty, and you look gross. No one likes
you and no one wants you there. And you go
into a cafe and like even just ordering like a
sandwich or a coffee is so hard, and you feel stupid,
and then you would let your stuff be stolen from
your table. And I also had mad respect for her

(39:28):
when she chase that guy down.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I okay. The Paris episodes were my favorite episodes
in the entire series, and I was so nervous to
them because they were the episodes that happened after the
books finished. So the books finished, and then we do
get two more episodes, which are the Paris episode. Yes,
I thought they were done so so well, it's the
first time we're seeing Belly so vulnerable, like out of

(39:51):
a safe blade. And I think it's exactly what you said,
so telling to the idea that so many people, if
their life is like gone to shits, like absolutely having
the worst, worst time, they can't bear living in their
life anymore. So they go overseas to start again. And
you expect it to be better because your life was
so shit, and yet it's worse. Yeah, and that's exactly
what she experienced exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, it's it's they're so well done. I wish we'd
had six more episodes of this version of Belly and this.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
One, but I was so scared we were going to
get an Emily in Paris. Oh yeah, well you get
to Paris and everything's amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah. I mean, look, Emily has had her own struggles.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Okay, but the essence of Emily and Paris is like
you go to Paris and everything's amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, and you meet a hot guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Where it's.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
All those things. It's just that she works a shitty job.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
She works a shitty job. But even like she did
all of those things, but you can tell she's still
not happy. Like she's still struggling through it, she's still
getting gray. I mean, she gets a beautiful apartment.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, and I don't know how she got so many
people Again, viewers are really angry about that, like how
could she have that beautiful apartment and that, I say,
stop policing how women in rom coms and TV shows
afford their beautiful homes. They just can.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think we just don't like it's not realist. Why
does she get that?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
And I don't I know, But also that's the fantasy element.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And I'm looking into another apartment.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I think Emily in Paris apartment is the most
realistic that you'd have two girls sharing a studio apartment
in Paris. What I wanted at the Paris episodes is
that Jenny Hahn always knew when she started this TV show,
from the very first episode, that she was going to
have these Paris episodes at the end.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Do you think Benita was necessary?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I think they need to show her having other
romance and even showing her just having sex with someone
else that wasn't just the Fisher boys. And I think
that was part of Jenny Harn's kind of master plan
all along. It is like she's not a freak. I promise, Yeah,
it's fine, it's fine. In the book, she goes to
Spain for a short overseas trip. So Jenny Harn wanted
to change it to Paris basically because she wanted to
go to Paris mad respect She's like, I'm gonna make

(41:45):
this work for me. But also she was laying so
many easter eggs all through the series, like Belly reading
the Hunger Games in French. Even the name of the
book will always have Summer is a nod to the
famous line from casablind Cub will always have Paris. And
there's all these nods all the way through it. And
so Jenny Harn basically said that she basically backed Prime
Video into a corner. She's like, the storyline won't make

(42:07):
sense unless she goes to Paris, because I've been breadcrumbing
it all the way through, and that's why they had
to have her there.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
What I've really liked about the first episode we see
of her in Paris where she can't speak French, that well, yeah,
I think it was so tellable. I think, yeah, literally,
I think it was so telling to show that we
learned through the series that she's been learning French and
taking French as and the like throughout her high school,
so she's meant to be really good at it. Yeah,
and then it kind of shows that, like you visibly
see how she lost herself in her relationship with Jeremiah

(42:35):
by like physically forgetting how to speak a language that
you spent years learning and getting to France and realizing
you can't actually speak it.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, it's like almost like the French language fell out
of her head because she shut the.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Door to that because she thought she would never go.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
She thought she'd never goes. Oh. So then we come
in getting into the end. Now all the excitement of
the final episode. So we have two dual storylines happening here.
One is happening at the cousin's beach house, which is
so important that we had that story device of the
dinner thing being canceled and then having to go and
have this big final moment in the beach house, which
I thought was beautiful and also very important that Bellian

(43:09):
weren't there. What did you think of Jeremiah's, I want
to say, Brooklyn Beckham journey of deciding he wasn't going
to follow in his dad's footsteps. He was going to
become a chef.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, I quite liked it.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I think he deserves like a happy ending, Like I know,
everyone takes a piss out of him and doesn't like
how he treated Belly in their relationship. It's weird because
I feel like we see Belly as like someone that
we put ourselves into, and we're like, we would not
like to have a relationship like that with someone like Jeremiah.
But I'm like he loved her. He was just a
different kind of love. Yeah, and it wasn't the love

(43:43):
that she needed her personal growth, but.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
It could be the love that Denise needs. Okay, let's
get onto that. So I actually loved him being a
little chef.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I feel like they had TikTok famous sexy chef.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah exactly. That Actually, with the way that boy looks,
that's so fits. That's so tracks that Taylor would do
that for him.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Because to stop his eyes from it.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
It was nice.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Every time a scene him comes along, like a jump scared,
oh my god, turn the live stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I loved him having a skill. I loved him using
his hands stead of just being a pretty boy, a
pretty boy nepo baby in his dad's office, So we
liked that. The Denise storyline I did not love because
very rushed, very unearned. Because I love an unexpected love story.
It's my absolute favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
She goes from being like a bully to being their
best friend.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I kind of liked that for her. I actually
thought she and Steven had more chemistry. They had a
lot of chemistry. But I also didn't love that they
weren't together.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I also think Steven has chemistry with everyone.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, he just does. He's a chemistry feel boy. We
love him. I felt that it was a rush to
tie a book up.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Again.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
It's almost like the music stopped and they were the
two without chairs and they had to just get on
the chair together kind of vibe. So yeah, I thought
that was a missed opportunity. That's the one criticism I'll
say of Jenny Hahn's world building and storytelling is that
I felt that that could have been a great moment
for an unexpected love story, which is my fave, a
bit of an enemy's to lovers, which is also my faith. Instead,
it just felt like they were brother and sister, brother

(45:04):
and sister all the way through, and then all of
a sudden in the kitchen. He was just so happy
his dessert worked out that he wanted to kiss her.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
His chocolate mud cake.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Maybe he definitely got from this isn't the worst thought.
It's because they were living together as brother and sister,
and he lived like that with Belly, so he just transferred.
He can only fall in love with after That's so funny.
He can only fall in love with people he sees first.
As a sister said it.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
There's no way, okay, that both of them are so
good looking and hot. Yeah, there is no way they
slept in separate beds that whole time they were living.
Apparently they did.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Their children have such curly hair anyway, so we leave
them there. I'm actually so glad we're getting the movie
because I just I'm gonna go out and live and say,
I hope those crazy kids aren't together. I hope they
both hooked up with other people. Stephen and Taylor's relationship
comes to a beautiful place. I think with her being like,
I'll give up everything to be with you. I think
in any other world that would look like she was

(46:00):
giving up her dreams for a guy, But it was
more so that she was just being very vulnerable and
knowing she could be successful anywhere.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And I think she could.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think she could chance. She was like Boston, San Francisco,
I'm going to be I'm going to run my own
company anywhere, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
We see Adam and Laurel, and Laurel's on a game
up again husband going on a swingers cruise, potentially, which
I hope happens in the movie.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So oh my god, the movie. The movie Off.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
The summer, I took a swingers cruise.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Please, I don't see Adam on a swinger cruise. Jesus,
he prays.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
The Champagne Jeremiah is like from my wedding, from him
from Land.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
From my wedding, Adam like kind of soft core, hitting
on Laurel and being like, with that body and your looks,
you'll do well on a singles cruise. And I was like,
at this, don't you know what that is.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That's a middle aged man who's just been broken up
by a super hot younger. That's exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I just also think at this stage, Adam doesn't know
who he's looking up with who's not. He's like, she's
my wife's best friend. We're basically I'm.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Like, why are you still in my life?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Is this woman still here all the time?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
In my house? The house invited the Dennys, like, this
is my house. That's what when Denise was like speaking
to him, she was like, thanks so much for bringing
this Adam, you can put them in the back, and
he's like, this is my house.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
But that was her. That's fair, Like, Denise, don't talk
to this man. No, no, that was her saying to him,
I don't work for you anymore. Oh yeah, I've got
the could they just got the seed funding for their company.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I would never ever talk to a grown.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Man like I mean you always wanted to which you're
scared of it? All white. That's fair, that's fair, Which
brings us to the very end of the finale, which
is Conrad turning up on Belly's doorstep in Paris.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Oh my, that's messy, bitch.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Hey, she's doing nothing, Belly, don't make me to send her.
She's living her life in Paris and she's not trying
to pull either of those boys in.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
She had a hair transformation.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I actually love that because it's a bit of a
nod to a movie. I talk about this podcast all times. Sabrina,
where she put the Audrey hepburone version, which Jenny harn.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Loves od Hepburn like scenes in there's.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
A lot of yeah, there's a lot of kind of
rem and oh so good, But I also love that
belly cutting her hair and the Paris episodes is very
much her shedding the love she had for Jeremiah my brothers, No,
not the brothers, No, it's for one brother. Because Jeremiah
had said to her, always keep your hair long, and
so she was keeping her hair long for him, and

(48:30):
then her cutting her hair off is like her finally
acknowledging that they're him. She should have melted hair, him crazy,
that's a different and Conrad saying I really like your hairs,
him saying that I'll love any version of you, and
knowing together okay, okay. And when they're heading off to
her birthday dinner when he comes with his hairstyle and
she does the little ruffle and messes up his hair

(48:52):
like he did to her in season one, is not
only a call back to those early days before they
had like properly fallen in love, but kind of a
sign to say that she was almost the one who
was giving him these little signs of affection whereas it
used to be her Yeah, so middle Easter eggs and there.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh my god, and I love like how they got together.
So after the birthday party, I've had a few drinks,
they're slow dancing in the streets and then they kiss
and then they have steaming hot sex in her apartment
with the windows open.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Oh my god. So that sex scene was ten out ten.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Very romantic.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
It felt so earned, it felt so important. It fell
like Jenny Harh being like, I know what you crazy bitches.
I know that.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Like I saw you guys watching Bridgitton, I know what
you want.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And she's like, I know you crazy adult women in
your thirties, forties and fifties are obsessed with this show
and you have forsaken your jobs, lives and families to
watch this show. And this is what you want to
go ahead and watch it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Go ahead and watch it.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And we did and we did.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And then also the like extremely realistic awkward moment after
having sex with someone you love when you don't want
to show them that you love them. Yeah, it was
so incredibly done, like bellies, Like I could literally feel
her thought process during that moment, because it's like, you
have like steaming hot sex with someone who you absolutely
love and you're comfortable with and you've done it before,

(50:07):
so you know each other's body and you know how
to feel safe with them. And then you're just lying
in bed and you suddenly like reality hits and it
starts getting like cold, like you know that four am
like chill thieh. And then she like gets up and
he immediately freezes and he's like, where are you going?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, it's so But before we get to that, though,
I actually thought the sex scene was not just for
creepy perves like us to watch it enjoy, but I
thought it was this really beautiful kind of signal to
the audience that their relationship was a new adult relationship
and not their team relationship, because if you look at
the sex scene where she lost her virginity to him,
it's very much like the whole thing when you have

(50:43):
sex for the first time as a team, where it's
a little bit awkward, but also she's really shy and
vulnerable and he's like more in charge and like guiding
her through it, whereas in this sex scene, she's kind
of like on the stairs, like pulling his hand down
when they get into the bedroom, she pulls herself on
top and she's like kissing him, and she leans forward
to one button his pants. So it's this whole thing
of showing like she's an adult. Now she's taking charge.

(51:05):
This isn't some girl who just had to go back
to her first love.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, No, she's been practicing with oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And then the end she's yeah, she's she's a woman
of the world.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Now she's only breaken up with for like six weeks.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, that's fine. Banina will be fine. Beniro spinoff in
the works.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Benino at his grandma's birthday.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
He's like, I want to introduce her to my grandmother.
Oh oh, guy, okay, And then we have such an
incredible callback to these iconic rom coms that Jenny harn loves,
which is the race to stop someone from traveling. It's
obviously normally a race through an airport. This time it
was a race through a train station to declare your
undying love. And this idea that you know that's in
the movies, it's like, if I don't stop this person

(51:44):
getting on a plane, then I can't ever be with them,
even though you could just call them when they land,
or you could fly to them when they land, and
that this scene had the same urgency where it's like
Belly could have obviously told Conrad this at a different time,
but she had to do it then, like their whole
relationship was contingent on her getting to him on that
train and telling him right then, look, okay, she.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Was meant to be in a rush, right.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, yes, she put the necklace on.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
You know how hard it is to put a necklace on?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I know I thought about that too, and not.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Even a necklace. She also put the most hardest piece
of clothing on, jeans.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Like she literally loved to put that, Like, you know
how long it takes.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Me to put my jeans on.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I know I've sent you put your jeans on. We're
gonna build a good fifty necklace. Yeah, she put a
bra on.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
She brushed her hair because she liked that.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
That's all looked nice.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And then, oh my god, I was like, were you
in a rush?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
What did you do a fashion show on you before
you left? Well, maybe she knew the train wouldn't leave
for a while.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
It was very important that she had been fitting in
necklace on. Maybe you know, every once in a while
you go to put a necklace on. It goes the
first time. It only happens once to every girl once
in her lifetime, and that was her moment.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, okay, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I believe that I.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Do want to talk about. So they do meet up
on the train and they have this massive reunion, a
lot of beautiful words. Yeah, if you were sitting in
the passenger seat near Conrad, you'd be like, this is
really cringe.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I feel really awkward right now.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I don't know these people. I'd also be freaking.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I was like that she have a passport or on, Yeah,
just you have a ticket and we're about to get detrained.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
But then the final, final last scene where she talks
about I didn't go back to Cousins this summer, but
I did go again. So they've either gone back to
Cousins the year after or a few years after that.
And what I thought was so interesting about this scene
was that they're in the beautiful house that we've seen
from episode one, season one, and they're by themselves, So
we don't actually get that final justification whether or not

(53:33):
the family are on board with this relationship. Right at
the end, it's just the two of them from that
whole last episode.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I took that more to mean that, like everyone was
so happy and everything, because I think they had show
well they show that final shot at the More and
the dinner party were all there, all they're happy together. Yeah,
happy is meant to show them in their own world.
And the fact that you can't tell is it the
year after? Is it five years after? He used to
say that they now exist in this perfect world together
forever until the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Well, they weren't cousins by themselves, so maybe they all
have on again off again summers. You just want to
draw Belly and Connie get the beach house. We don't
want to be there, so we'll go the next summer.
And then I don't think it was Adam Denise Jeremiah
Laurel's husband on Again Again.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
We don't need to that name. I thought it was
actually quite a lovely ending. If the news of the
movie hadn't come out, it would have been disappointed and
felt like I maybe needed a little bit more, and
that I know in the book it kind of ends
and there's just like a little epilogue saying that she
ends up with Conrad. Yeah, so you kind of needed more.
But I actually thought this was like quite a lovely ending,
and it made me very happy that we're coming to
the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm so excited for the movie. I really don't want
to watch.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It, but I will. Okay, you well, you've got it here.

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Speaker 1 (55:16):
Bye bye,