September 4, 2025 • 12 mins
EPSN writer & author, Bill Connelly joins the show, as Bill talks about UNC's flop in Bill Belichick's debut, along with other results & takeaways from the opening weekend, before promoting his book, talking about the future of the sport on and off the field
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time now, Bone Man to talk some college football.
We got to discuss a little bit of what happened
in week one. We also got to talk about the
book that our next guest has out forward progress about
the future of college football, which is a fascinating topic.
He also is from ESPN ESPN dot com. You might
(00:21):
see his SNP rankings and kind of formula to rank teams,
which is always interesting stuff. He is Bill Connolly and
he joins us here on the Mack and Bone Show
in the Queen City.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Bill, It's a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm pretty good about you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're doing good. We're doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We got some fan bases maybe that aren't doing so
well after week one. I will start with the tar
Heel fans. Bill, what is your take on that, like,
do you view what happened? First of all, were you
surprised by what happened or not? And do you fear
like for you think Tarhill fans should fear that this
(01:00):
was a precursor for his entire tenure or do you
think everybody should just settle down?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I do think you know, the magnitude was a little
bit of a surprise. I mean, they weren't favored against TCU.
The fact that you know, they lost to a top
twenty team doesn't have to mean just a whole lot
or borderline top twenty team. But yeah, it was certainly
a reminder among above all else that it's really hard
to completely rebuild an offensive line and a defensive line
(01:26):
on a budget or you know, to to spread that
money to you know, a ton of guys. It's going
to be really hard to get the quality you need.
And I think that was the bottom line. Once TCU
knew what North Carolina wanted to do offensively, it took
a drive to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Uh, they just the the the they.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Overwhelmed the heels and the lines, and obviously from you know,
from the perspective of the season as a whole, it's
hard to fix that after one game, and it's going
to be a struggle. But I do think, you know,
there's enough skill core talent, there's enough, you know, they
should be able to at least for a six and
sixth record. You know, with the roster at hand, We'll
(02:04):
just have to see how quickly they gell a little
bit more.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Bill, how surprised were your geo Lopez looked as bad
as he did in his first game.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean once you know, when he was getting
protection and the defensive heels on its heels on the
first drive, it looked great. But yeah, like he was,
you know, he's not a very experienced guy, even at
South Alabama, like he got a full year of starting.
But you know, that's that's not much, and you know
it was it was pretty hard pretty quickly. Now. You know,
(02:33):
we'll see how this plays out moving forward. Having Max
Johnson available, he certainly looked a little more steady. He's
not going to offer a run threat.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But you just kind of figure out what you value more.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And we'll see what they do at the QB position.
But yeah, he's still a young guy. He could still
develop moving forward. He just wasn't ready for that level
of pressure apparently.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Hey Bill, as far as Clemson goes, that would be
another fan base that We've got a lot of alums
in this area, a lot of fans in this area,
and I think some Clemson fans I'm kind of in
this camp with with some Clemson fans that hey man,
they played a great team. Yeah it was ugly offensively,
but they lost. You know, they had the ball in
the red zone end a game they lost by seven,
and it's a you know, it's a twelve team playoff
(03:15):
in a long season. But I do think there's people
in the media and maybe some Clemson fans are just
kind of like, here we go again, losing to another
SEC team. We're a good team, but we're not good
enough to be great, Like what do you what's your
thoughts in terms of what side do you kind of
take in that?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean I was a pretty big Clemson skeptic
at least when it came to being like a top
five level team, just because they haven't been for four
years now, and you know, the fact that they had
good continuity with nobody else at the top of the
rankings did besides Penn State, that was kind of interesting.
But I wasn't sure how much improvement to expect. And
for the last four years they've really struggled to make
(03:53):
a ton of big plays and really damage good, like
elite level talent defenses.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And for the year that it make.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Many big plays and they didn't damage an LSU team
with a lot of elite athleticism and talent. So that
was a bad sign in that regard. Now it's you know,
it's a long season, indeed, and the run defense looked
like it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Might be improved. We don't know how good the LSC's run.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Game is yet, but the defensive front looks the part,
and you know, there's still going to be one of
probably the two ACC favorites. We'll see if Miami can
actually keep up what they how they've started the season.
They certainly couldn't last year. So yeah, long term, it
doesn't have to be anything just definitive and damning, but
(04:35):
it certainly didn't. You know, it was an opportunity to
prove that they really are taking a step back up
to the elite level, and they failed that test.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
We're talking to Bill Connolly of ESPN. Also, his book
is now out, The Definitive Guide to the Future of
College Football, called for Progress, I should say, the Definitive
Guide to the Future of College Football. Make sure you
get that wherever books are sold. Less more about that momentarily, Bill, Well,
how for real do you think Florida State in Miami
are and how massive is that for the ACC to
(05:07):
have those two programs potentially good at the same time.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, well, for Miami, you know, the way the defense
stepped up at the end, you know, blew up the
Notre Dame line a couple times to ice the game.
That was obviously very encouraging compared to what we saw
last year. Like I said, I mean, they know as
well as anybody that how you look in week one
is and how you'll look in week you know, fourteen.
So they have to keep it up. But it was
a nice confidence boost, and it had to be good
(05:33):
for Carson Beck considering we didn't really know what he
had at receiver, and he made mostly good decisions and
a couple of times he didn't, his receivers bailed him out,
So that was that was all good. They just have
to keep it up. And for Florida State, yeah, I'm
really well. First of all, the defense looked dynamite. The
fact that they were able to damage the Alabama offensive
line as much as they did was a really really
(05:55):
good sign. And I'm guessing that's a sign that the
defense is going to be here all year.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Offenses we'll see, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They Tommy Castellatas last year at Boston College, teams seem
to figure out that you need to contain him. You
don't go straight at him. If you're rushing the past,
they're just trying to contain him and force them to throw.
Alabama didn't seem to know that at all, and they
just attacked him repeatedly and he escaped every single time,
and they seemed confused by all the kind of misdirection
(06:23):
and whatnot that we expect from a gus Mauson offense.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So I think defenses.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Will start to figure out what they intend to do.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And it might get a little harder from h in
that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And so their staying power is going to depend on
you know, do they do they really have the elite
looking defense that we saw on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
By the way, Bill, I'm looking at your S and
P projected results this weekend and like, now your S
and P is like against a couple of my bets.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I'm now there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is I'm getting worried now because I respect your
numbers and I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Getting a little concerned right now. I definitely am you
gotta go. Excuse I'll go with Bill on this one.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, you would probably pick one of those people bone
that has their dog picked the games over me. I
believe Bill Connolly, ESPN writer, ESPN dot Com. So before
we get into your book and kind of what you know,
you tell us what it's all about, your thoughts on
the future of the sport, where it's headed. I want
to I want to ask you this. We were talking
earlier about how big the ratings were. Four games over
(07:26):
ten million viewers on average. You had two more that
were at least two more, if not three, that were
five million or more viewers. But yet all summer we
hear from fans gripen that this transfer portal and NIL
is ruining college football. How do you marry those two things?
Fans telling us it's ruining it, but fans are watching
more college football maybe than ever this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, and I mean acknowledging that you know, there are
there's a gambling element to viewership that doesn't necessarily suggest help.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Overall, in the book, I actually kind of make fun
of us fans for the fact that every single schange
we don't like, we decide has murdered college football, and
yet attendance is great, TV viewership is great.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
There's no actual.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Sign that there's a problem. So yeah, I mean, that's
that's kind of where we're at right now. And I
do think, you know, in terms of like the big
time games. Obviously this was a particularly big week with
three top ten matchups and everything. We'll see exactly how
the ratings are this week when when the matchups kind
of disappear, and it's kind of a grab bag of sorts.
But no, I mean there are no you know, overt
(08:32):
signs that were in any sort of problems whatsoever. I
you know, in the book, I do talk a lot
about you know, warning signs, like we think everything is
going to destroy the sports, what destroyed previous sports or
what dragged down NASCAR or boxing or college basketball or
baseball kind of and and just try to create a
list of warning signs. Most of them involved like, you know,
(08:54):
even if American fans don't protest to the way European soccer.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Fans do, you don't want to alienate your heart.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Course to the point where once you need them again,
they're not there anymore. That was certainly kind of a
NASCAR lesson, and so I talked a lot about that.
But yeah, I mean, right now it's certainly we have
to search for the warning signs because the big numbers
are awfully big.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Why do you think the sport retains its popularity the
way that it does. We were talking about that also,
and why do you think, no matter what goes on
in the spring and the summer, that when Saturdays are
all around or whatever day in college football, that it
feels like fans just forget whatever was going on in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, no, I mean that's there's a personal connection to
college sports that you really can't match for most of
the pro sports in this country. It's another European soccer thing.
There's a community element, it's a public good. These college
towns and the stadiums and the traditions.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know, I go, you know, I live in.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Columbia, Missouri. Still all hop up to a tailgate and
see the same people I was tailgating with ten years
ago and twenty years ago and five years ago. And
so there's a personal thing there that you know, it
matters who you play, it matters what conference you're in,
and how much money you're making, whether you're competitive, but
also it doesn't change the fact that you have built
(10:13):
your own little version of college football that you attend to.
And that's a that's a great thing, but it's still
we don't want to take that for granted. We don't
want to just assume that that's never going to change.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Bill Connelly's book, Forward Progress is all about the future
of college football. Where do you see and I'm sure
you talk, I'm sure you talk all about the conference realignment, right,
Where do you see the future with this conference realignment? Like,
is it breaking away from the NC Double A in
some form of super league for football only?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Where do where? Where do you see it it? Headed?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I do think I obviously there's plenty of super league
reference in the book, but I do think we're in
a position now where we might actually already be in
the super league. Like that's I don't know why the
big tenant and SEC would feel like they need to
break apart if they've already arranged to make all the
extra money from the new playoffs, if they've already got
most of the big brands. Obviously, hear in about five
(11:08):
years or so when a bunch of television contracts or
media rights contracts start to come up, and there could
be maneuvering at that point. But as far as big
level changes, you have heard these super league private equity
backs plans over the last couple of years. I don't know, like, right,
as things currently, the Big ten and SEC have no
(11:28):
reason to agree to any of that because they kind
of have everything where they want it. They let, you know,
they deign to let the ACC and Big twelve and
G five into the playoffs at least a little bit,
but they're still going to get the most teams, they're
going to get the money from it, and we've already
kind of stumbled into that a little bit. Now, whether
that turns out to be a really really bad thing
(11:48):
for the sport if we start to basically tell all
these schools that draw fifty something thousand fans even though
they're not going to win a national title, you know,
int State and Iowa State, whoever, if we start to
alienate those fans like that could become a long term problem.
But yeah, right now we're kind of it is what
it is, and I don't necessarily know if it's going
(12:10):
to change dramatically here in five to ten years.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
All right, man, it's obviously a fascinating subject and you
obviously know and love the sport.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It is out there now.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm looking at the Amazon page right now, look for
Bill Connolly's forward Progress, The Definitive Guide. Did a Future
of College football and check out all his college football
content and his SMP rankings and game projections ESPN dot com.
Thank you, Bill, We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Absolutely take care
It's time now, Bone Man to talk some college football.
We got to discuss a little bit of what happened
in week one. We also got to talk about the
book that our next guest has out forward progress about
the future of college football, which is a fascinating topic.
He also is from ESPN ESPN dot com. You might
(00:21):
see his SNP rankings and kind of formula to rank teams,
which is always interesting stuff. He is Bill Connolly and
he joins us here on the Mack and Bone Show
in the Queen City.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Bill, It's a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm pretty good about you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're doing good. We're doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We got some fan bases maybe that aren't doing so
well after week one. I will start with the tar
Heel fans. Bill, what is your take on that, like,
do you view what happened? First of all, were you
surprised by what happened or not? And do you fear
like for you think Tarhill fans should fear that this
(01:00):
was a precursor for his entire tenure or do you
think everybody should just settle down?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I do think you know, the magnitude was a little
bit of a surprise. I mean, they weren't favored against TCU.
The fact that you know, they lost to a top
twenty team doesn't have to mean just a whole lot
or borderline top twenty team. But yeah, it was certainly
a reminder among above all else that it's really hard
to completely rebuild an offensive line and a defensive line
(01:26):
on a budget or you know, to to spread that
money to you know, a ton of guys. It's going
to be really hard to get the quality you need.
And I think that was the bottom line. Once TCU
knew what North Carolina wanted to do offensively, it took
a drive to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Uh, they just the the the they.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Overwhelmed the heels and the lines, and obviously from you know,
from the perspective of the season as a whole, it's
hard to fix that after one game, and it's going
to be a struggle. But I do think, you know,
there's enough skill core talent, there's enough, you know, they
should be able to at least for a six and
sixth record. You know, with the roster at hand, We'll
(02:04):
just have to see how quickly they gell a little
bit more.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Bill, how surprised were your geo Lopez looked as bad
as he did in his first game.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean once you know, when he was getting
protection and the defensive heels on its heels on the
first drive, it looked great. But yeah, like he was,
you know, he's not a very experienced guy, even at
South Alabama, like he got a full year of starting.
But you know, that's that's not much, and you know
it was it was pretty hard pretty quickly. Now. You know,
(02:33):
we'll see how this plays out moving forward. Having Max
Johnson available, he certainly looked a little more steady. He's
not going to offer a run threat.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
But you just kind of figure out what you value more.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And we'll see what they do at the QB position.
But yeah, he's still a young guy. He could still
develop moving forward. He just wasn't ready for that level
of pressure apparently.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Hey Bill, as far as Clemson goes, that would be
another fan base that We've got a lot of alums
in this area, a lot of fans in this area,
and I think some Clemson fans I'm kind of in
this camp with with some Clemson fans that hey man,
they played a great team. Yeah it was ugly offensively,
but they lost. You know, they had the ball in
the red zone end a game they lost by seven,
and it's a you know, it's a twelve team playoff
(03:15):
in a long season. But I do think there's people
in the media and maybe some Clemson fans are just
kind of like, here we go again, losing to another
SEC team. We're a good team, but we're not good
enough to be great, Like what do you what's your
thoughts in terms of what side do you kind of
take in that?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean I was a pretty big Clemson skeptic
at least when it came to being like a top
five level team, just because they haven't been for four
years now, and you know, the fact that they had
good continuity with nobody else at the top of the
rankings did besides Penn State, that was kind of interesting.
But I wasn't sure how much improvement to expect. And
for the last four years they've really struggled to make
(03:53):
a ton of big plays and really damage good, like
elite level talent defenses.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And for the year that it make.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Many big plays and they didn't damage an LSU team
with a lot of elite athleticism and talent. So that
was a bad sign in that regard. Now it's you know,
it's a long season, indeed, and the run defense looked
like it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Might be improved. We don't know how good the LSC's run.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Game is yet, but the defensive front looks the part,
and you know, there's still going to be one of
probably the two ACC favorites. We'll see if Miami can
actually keep up what they how they've started the season.
They certainly couldn't last year. So yeah, long term, it
doesn't have to be anything just definitive and damning, but
(04:35):
it certainly didn't. You know, it was an opportunity to
prove that they really are taking a step back up
to the elite level, and they failed that test.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
We're talking to Bill Connolly of ESPN. Also, his book
is now out, The Definitive Guide to the Future of
College Football, called for Progress, I should say, the Definitive
Guide to the Future of College Football. Make sure you
get that wherever books are sold. Less more about that momentarily, Bill, Well,
how for real do you think Florida State in Miami
are and how massive is that for the ACC to
(05:07):
have those two programs potentially good at the same time.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, well, for Miami, you know, the way the defense
stepped up at the end, you know, blew up the
Notre Dame line a couple times to ice the game.
That was obviously very encouraging compared to what we saw
last year. Like I said, I mean, they know as
well as anybody that how you look in week one
is and how you'll look in week you know, fourteen.
So they have to keep it up. But it was
a nice confidence boost, and it had to be good
(05:33):
for Carson Beck considering we didn't really know what he
had at receiver, and he made mostly good decisions and
a couple of times he didn't, his receivers bailed him out,
So that was that was all good. They just have
to keep it up. And for Florida State, yeah, I'm
really well. First of all, the defense looked dynamite. The
fact that they were able to damage the Alabama offensive
line as much as they did was a really really
(05:55):
good sign. And I'm guessing that's a sign that the
defense is going to be here all year.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Offenses we'll see, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They Tommy Castellatas last year at Boston College, teams seem
to figure out that you need to contain him. You
don't go straight at him. If you're rushing the past,
they're just trying to contain him and force them to throw.
Alabama didn't seem to know that at all, and they
just attacked him repeatedly and he escaped every single time,
and they seemed confused by all the kind of misdirection
(06:23):
and whatnot that we expect from a gus Mauson offense.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So I think defenses.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Will start to figure out what they intend to do.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And it might get a little harder from h in
that regard.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And so their staying power is going to depend on
you know, do they do they really have the elite
looking defense that we saw on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
By the way, Bill, I'm looking at your S and
P projected results this weekend and like, now your S
and P is like against a couple of my bets.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I'm now there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is I'm getting worried now because I respect your
numbers and I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Getting a little concerned right now. I definitely am you
gotta go. Excuse I'll go with Bill on this one.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, you would probably pick one of those people bone
that has their dog picked the games over me. I
believe Bill Connolly, ESPN writer, ESPN dot Com. So before
we get into your book and kind of what you know,
you tell us what it's all about, your thoughts on
the future of the sport, where it's headed. I want
to I want to ask you this. We were talking
earlier about how big the ratings were. Four games over
(07:26):
ten million viewers on average. You had two more that
were at least two more, if not three, that were
five million or more viewers. But yet all summer we
hear from fans gripen that this transfer portal and NIL
is ruining college football. How do you marry those two things?
Fans telling us it's ruining it, but fans are watching
more college football maybe than ever this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, and I mean acknowledging that you know, there are
there's a gambling element to viewership that doesn't necessarily suggest help.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Overall, in the book, I actually kind of make fun
of us fans for the fact that every single schange
we don't like, we decide has murdered college football, and
yet attendance is great, TV viewership is great.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
There's no actual.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Sign that there's a problem. So yeah, I mean, that's
that's kind of where we're at right now. And I
do think, you know, in terms of like the big
time games. Obviously this was a particularly big week with
three top ten matchups and everything. We'll see exactly how
the ratings are this week when when the matchups kind
of disappear, and it's kind of a grab bag of sorts.
But no, I mean there are no you know, overt
(08:32):
signs that were in any sort of problems whatsoever. I
you know, in the book, I do talk a lot
about you know, warning signs, like we think everything is
going to destroy the sports, what destroyed previous sports or
what dragged down NASCAR or boxing or college basketball or
baseball kind of and and just try to create a
list of warning signs. Most of them involved like, you know,
(08:54):
even if American fans don't protest to the way European soccer.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Fans do, you don't want to alienate your heart.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Course to the point where once you need them again,
they're not there anymore. That was certainly kind of a
NASCAR lesson, and so I talked a lot about that.
But yeah, I mean, right now it's certainly we have
to search for the warning signs because the big numbers
are awfully big.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Why do you think the sport retains its popularity the
way that it does. We were talking about that also,
and why do you think, no matter what goes on
in the spring and the summer, that when Saturdays are
all around or whatever day in college football, that it
feels like fans just forget whatever was going on in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, no, I mean that's there's a personal connection to
college sports that you really can't match for most of
the pro sports in this country. It's another European soccer thing.
There's a community element, it's a public good. These college
towns and the stadiums and the traditions.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know, I go, you know, I live in.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Columbia, Missouri. Still all hop up to a tailgate and
see the same people I was tailgating with ten years
ago and twenty years ago and five years ago. And
so there's a personal thing there that you know, it
matters who you play, it matters what conference you're in,
and how much money you're making, whether you're competitive, but
also it doesn't change the fact that you have built
(10:13):
your own little version of college football that you attend to.
And that's a that's a great thing, but it's still
we don't want to take that for granted. We don't
want to just assume that that's never going to change.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Bill Connelly's book, Forward Progress is all about the future
of college football. Where do you see and I'm sure
you talk, I'm sure you talk all about the conference realignment, right,
Where do you see the future with this conference realignment? Like,
is it breaking away from the NC Double A in
some form of super league for football only?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Where do where? Where do you see it it? Headed?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I do think I obviously there's plenty of super league
reference in the book, but I do think we're in
a position now where we might actually already be in
the super league. Like that's I don't know why the
big tenant and SEC would feel like they need to
break apart if they've already arranged to make all the
extra money from the new playoffs, if they've already got
most of the big brands. Obviously, hear in about five
(11:08):
years or so when a bunch of television contracts or
media rights contracts start to come up, and there could
be maneuvering at that point. But as far as big
level changes, you have heard these super league private equity
backs plans over the last couple of years. I don't know, like, right,
as things currently, the Big ten and SEC have no
(11:28):
reason to agree to any of that because they kind
of have everything where they want it. They let, you know,
they deign to let the ACC and Big twelve and
G five into the playoffs at least a little bit,
but they're still going to get the most teams, they're
going to get the money from it, and we've already
kind of stumbled into that a little bit. Now, whether
that turns out to be a really really bad thing
(11:48):
for the sport if we start to basically tell all
these schools that draw fifty something thousand fans even though
they're not going to win a national title, you know,
int State and Iowa State, whoever, if we start to
alienate those fans like that could become a long term problem.
But yeah, right now we're kind of it is what
it is, and I don't necessarily know if it's going
(12:10):
to change dramatically here in five to ten years.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
All right, man, it's obviously a fascinating subject and you
obviously know and love the sport.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It is out there now.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm looking at the Amazon page right now, look for
Bill Connolly's forward Progress, The Definitive Guide. Did a Future
of College football and check out all his college football
content and his SMP rankings and game projections ESPN dot com.
Thank you, Bill, We appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Absolutely take care
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