December 10, 2025 • 12 mins
Legendary sports figure in the state, David Glenn, joins the show, as DG talks about Notre Dame's future with the ACC, after attacking the conference publicly after being left out of the CFP, and he addresses Duke's strong start in basketball behind Cameron Boozer
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is David Glenn and he joins us here on
the Mack and Bone Show. David, Happy holidays, man, How
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm doing great. Always fun to be with you all.
Happy holidays, break back to.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You all right, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, let's start first with the biggest headlines and then
trickle our way down to other storylines. This Notre Dame
war on the ACC, I mean, the Dan Patrick interview
was one thing, a whole presser yesterday, with most of
the presser devoted to Pete Bavaqua's issues with the ACC
and their social media campaigning on behalf of let me
(00:32):
check my notes here an actual football member of the
conference Miami. What do you think? Are you surprised by this?
Does Notre Dame have a point at all in any
of this? Is there? Do you feel like there's an agenda?
Are they getting at something here or are they just whining?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah? My question for Pete Povaqua would be are you
new here? Because this was a guy I remember that
was a television sports executive for a very long time,
and a really good one, and he did not start
this at Notre Dame until last year twenty twenty four,
so his first year at Notre Dame. Of course, remember
they lost at home to Northern Illinois, but they still
(01:08):
made the College Football Playoff. His second year, this happens.
And meanwhile, remember I think the backdrop to all this
is that the twelve human beings who are currently deciding
what the future of the College Football Playoff is going
to look like are conference commissioners and Pete Bavaqua so
he knows Brett Yormark is a big twelve commissioner who
(01:31):
just took a shot at Babaqua, calling his comments egregious.
You rarely see a conference commissioner call out another powerful
administrator that way. I think the starting point for Notre
Dame and its fans is fair, like, why were we
ranked over Miami for four straight weeks? But then even
though neither of us played, you know, all of a
(01:52):
sudden at the end in the only rankings that mattered. Like,
I understand why they're mad, but come on, man, you know,
if you I want to get the full treatment of
a full member, be a full member of the ACC
and don't wine that they went to bat for the
Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
DG, what do you think about the future of the
relationship between Notre Dame and the ACC and where it
may go from a here.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's delicate, you know, but everything is delicate in this world.
You know, we've talked in the past. I think about
how so many of these TV deals, including Notre Dames
which ends in twenty twenty nine, many of them end
around that same time. Not the accs that one goes
a little bit longer. But there's all sorts of belief
that there's just going to be a new world in
(02:38):
college sports, college football specifically. Maybe you're right around twenty
thirty something super conferences or maybe two super leagues, three
super leagues. Who knows how it's going to work exactly,
but I think a lot of this jostling for position
is with that kind of stuff in mind. And Notre Dame.
Remember when Florida State and Clemson basically won their lawsuits
(03:01):
against the ACC, the ACC really caved, you know, there
was never a judge's decision. The ACC just kind of
caved and they got out of the granted rights doesn't
exist anymore. Remember, the existies have dropped. So if Notre
Dame wanted to leave, you know, this summer or next summer,
it's not nearly as expensive as it used to be
to leave the ACC. But I think Pepavaqua was probably
(03:24):
going to calm down a little bit along those lines.
And remember, you know, the ACC is the seventy three
year old league that has made exception to its rules
for one school, and only one school in seventy three years,
and that's Notre Dame. And Notre Dame did that join
The ACC is that member in most sports, but not
in football, in part because the Big Ten laughed at
Notre Dame when the Irish wanted a similar arrangement with
(03:47):
the Big Ten. So I think enough people are going
to whisper in Piepavaqua there that, at least for now
and through the end of this decade, the ACC gives
the Notre Dame folks everything they want. They want football independence,
they want something, they want scheduling options for all their
other teams. The ACC gives them that. They want some
(04:09):
scheduling options for football. The ACC gives them that, and
they want it at least an avenue to the college
football playoffs. And yeah, it didn't work for them this year,
but it did work for them last year. And remember
hitting twenty twenty that COVID year. If it wasn't for
the ACC, Notre Dame would have been left hung out
to dry. ACC allowed Notre Dame to play in its
football championship game that year, and the Irish ended up
(04:32):
in the smaller college football playoffs. So that's a lot
of bending over backwards for the fighting Irish. And even
if the bakwall was mad for a few days, I
think cooler heads will prevail for the short term. But
your guess is as good as MIAs to what this
world looks like five years from now.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It just came down Notre Dame will send out the
LEPRECN today to address Jim Thoops the touchdown Jesu or
the only on the matter.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
We got a great text. Brett Or Mark is a
great commissioner for the ACC. Oh, he's not the commissioner
of the ACC. I gotta tell you, Jim Phillips, how
about you get that? How about you get that mean
and nasty? All right? Anyway we're talking with David Glenn.
He's not meaning nasty either, Ladies and gentlemen, the NC
Sports Net. Check it out on YouTube, check it out
on Twitter. All right, So what do you think about
(05:24):
the way that it went down for the ACC's pursuit
of playoff college football that the conference champ doesn't get
in that because five loss, Duke wins it all, but
Miami is able to get in the way they did.
Did you think Miami deserved to be in And are
you kind of thinking like we are that maybe they
(05:47):
should heed the warning and kind of change their tie
breaker formulas so that if you have a higher ranked team,
they're guaranteed to be in that conference title game. What
do you think about all this?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Absolutely I agree with that that the ACC needs to
revisit the tiebreaker scenarios because we all knew. I was
there for that ACC title game between Duke and Virginia,
we all knew that an eight and five ACC champion
was not going to make it, Not with Tulane having
that great record in the American Conference, not with James
(06:18):
Madison being twelve and one and the champion of the
Sun Belt eight to five from any league I don't
think would make it, and not in a twelve team format,
so the ACC would have been wise. No, Virginia went
seven and one, so Virginia earned its way to Charlotte.
The tie breakers should have reflected the college Football playoff
rankings the way other conferences tiebreakers do, and that would have,
(06:42):
of course put in Miami sixtion two over Duke sixtion
two in conference play in that game, and it would
have been you know, it would have been a scenario
where no matter whether Miami won or Virginia one, the
ACC would have been pretty much guaranteed at least one
team in the College ball Playoff. Now they got lucky.
Miami ends up wiggling in as an at large. And
(07:04):
I do believe the Hurricanes deserved it. It was a
close call, right, I mean, I do feel bad for
Notre Dame. They had a good resume. They won ten
straight games. There are only two losses were to Texas
A and m in Miami, they beat Southern Kyle, they
had some other good wins. I felt bad for BYU.
I mean, but that's the nature of this stuff, right,
Like if you're a bubble team, you become a beggar.
(07:25):
Right whether it's Selection Sunday with March madness. You know,
if you go eleven and one in a major conference,
you're not gonna end up being a beggar. If you
go ten and two under the current format, you know
they're going to just scrutinize the details of every win
and every loss, and you know, game control and all
those other metrics. So there's a couple teams that I
(07:47):
think got left out in a tough fashion. But I
do think the Hurricanes earned their way in with win.
He's like the one over Notre Dame especially.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Do you think they can do some damage in the
college football playoffs? A and M the first game last year,
ACC did not win. But how much of a chance
you get Miami to beat Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think they have a shot, but going remember last year,
all four of these home teams won on the opening weekend, right,
and then remember all four of those same teams beat
the top four seeds the next week, which was crazy
a year ago.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I don't think that part will happened. But when I
look at this week's four matchups or next weeks, they
should say I think Miami has as good a chance
as any of the visiting teams to get a win.
You know, Texas showed Mike Elco of Texas A and
M is a heck of a coach formerly of Duke,
But Texas A and M is not quite as much
(08:43):
of just a steam roller, as say the Georgia Bulldogs
can be, or Ohio State or even Indiana now. But
the Kynes I thought played the best football in the
ACC all year long. Their losses to SMU and at
Louisville were very close games. They have balanced offense, defense,
special teams. The one question is what is Carson Beck
(09:05):
going to do for the Kings as a downfield passer?
It actually reminds me a little bit of some conversations
that you guys have been all over for years now
with Bryce Young and the Panthers. Miami does so many
things well that if Carson Beck can just scare defenses
with his ability to throw the ball downfield, everything else
works better. The short passing game, the running game, et cetera.
(09:27):
Miami's defense is good enough to beat anybody. Miami's talent
level is good enough to beat anybody. But I understand
why they're the underdog at Texas, A and M and
I would not be surprised if the four winners next
next Friday or are Alabama A and m Ole Miss
and Oregon the four hosts.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
All right, last thing I want to ask you is
let's end on a high note for the ACC be
in the champs.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think Duke winning testan forgotten here. David Duke is
the champion. Jack, I thought you're moving on to basketball
like usual. You got to go through the Senate to
get that mentioned on the show. I was going to go.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was gonna go hoops, Bony, I think, and that
should be good for you too. Duke's won some big games.
The ACC in general, I think looks much improved. Do
you agree? What are your early thoughts on this year's Accman,
just look at the challenge and how competitive it was.
I hate that they ended up getting routed on the
(10:23):
second night, but it feels like a much better ACC
in basketball this year.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I agree wholeheartedly. And I do think the ACC SEC
Challenge is kind of symbolic of where the league is.
When they went to in fourteen last year, it was
just a harbinger of things to come. Man, And of
course they end up getting four teams in the NC
Double A tournament. When you're an eighteen team league, four
is a disaster. I mean, back when we were young,
or I was anyway, they get six out of their
(10:51):
nine members in the NC Double A tournament in basketball,
I mean, that's two thirds. That's about as good as
a guess four out of eighteen as an embarrassment. But
so yeah, this year's Ormans in that challenge was better.
Duke is really good, Louisville is really good. I think
that next tier of North Carolina, Virginia, NC State, maybe Clemson,
maybe even Miami under the first year coach j Lucas,
(11:13):
maybe SMU, maybe Wake Forest. Right, I mean, that's that's
half the plumbs in the league at least look like
they have the ability to become an NCAA tournament team.
That doesn't mean they'll get nine bits, but if if
even six or seven of those nine turn out, well
that's a massive, massive step in the right direction for
ACC basketball. And when you look around, guys, Cameron boocerat
(11:36):
Duke is not only one of the best freshmen in
the country, one of the best players in the country.
Caleb Wilson of Carolina same one of the best players
in the country. And that's the theme at the top
of the ACC. And that's another welcome site for a
league that was licking its wounds last year.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
He is David Glad. Everybody check him out. Check in
North Carolina Sports Network out on Twitter at the NC
sports Net. Check it out on NC Sports newt on
YouTube as well for great content covering sports in our
great state. DG you rock Man, always good catching up
with you, Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Right back at you guys, always great.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
D to take care all right, be good there you go,
David Glenn
He is David Glenn and he joins us here on
the Mack and Bone Show. David, Happy holidays, man, How
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm doing great. Always fun to be with you all.
Happy holidays, break back to.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You all right, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, let's start first with the biggest headlines and then
trickle our way down to other storylines. This Notre Dame
war on the ACC, I mean, the Dan Patrick interview
was one thing, a whole presser yesterday, with most of
the presser devoted to Pete Bavaqua's issues with the ACC
and their social media campaigning on behalf of let me
(00:32):
check my notes here an actual football member of the
conference Miami. What do you think? Are you surprised by this?
Does Notre Dame have a point at all in any
of this? Is there? Do you feel like there's an agenda?
Are they getting at something here or are they just whining?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah? My question for Pete Povaqua would be are you
new here? Because this was a guy I remember that
was a television sports executive for a very long time,
and a really good one, and he did not start
this at Notre Dame until last year twenty twenty four,
so his first year at Notre Dame. Of course, remember
they lost at home to Northern Illinois, but they still
(01:08):
made the College Football Playoff. His second year, this happens.
And meanwhile, remember I think the backdrop to all this
is that the twelve human beings who are currently deciding
what the future of the College Football Playoff is going
to look like are conference commissioners and Pete Bavaqua so
he knows Brett Yormark is a big twelve commissioner who
(01:31):
just took a shot at Babaqua, calling his comments egregious.
You rarely see a conference commissioner call out another powerful
administrator that way. I think the starting point for Notre
Dame and its fans is fair, like, why were we
ranked over Miami for four straight weeks? But then even
though neither of us played, you know, all of a
(01:52):
sudden at the end in the only rankings that mattered. Like,
I understand why they're mad, but come on, man, you know,
if you I want to get the full treatment of
a full member, be a full member of the ACC
and don't wine that they went to bat for the
Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
DG, what do you think about the future of the
relationship between Notre Dame and the ACC and where it
may go from a here.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's delicate, you know, but everything is delicate in this world.
You know, we've talked in the past. I think about
how so many of these TV deals, including Notre Dames
which ends in twenty twenty nine, many of them end
around that same time. Not the accs that one goes
a little bit longer. But there's all sorts of belief
that there's just going to be a new world in
(02:38):
college sports, college football specifically. Maybe you're right around twenty
thirty something super conferences or maybe two super leagues, three
super leagues. Who knows how it's going to work exactly,
but I think a lot of this jostling for position
is with that kind of stuff in mind. And Notre Dame.
Remember when Florida State and Clemson basically won their lawsuits
(03:01):
against the ACC, the ACC really caved, you know, there
was never a judge's decision. The ACC just kind of
caved and they got out of the granted rights doesn't
exist anymore. Remember, the existies have dropped. So if Notre
Dame wanted to leave, you know, this summer or next summer,
it's not nearly as expensive as it used to be
to leave the ACC. But I think Pepavaqua was probably
(03:24):
going to calm down a little bit along those lines.
And remember, you know, the ACC is the seventy three
year old league that has made exception to its rules
for one school, and only one school in seventy three years,
and that's Notre Dame. And Notre Dame did that join
The ACC is that member in most sports, but not
in football, in part because the Big Ten laughed at
Notre Dame when the Irish wanted a similar arrangement with
(03:47):
the Big Ten. So I think enough people are going
to whisper in Piepavaqua there that, at least for now
and through the end of this decade, the ACC gives
the Notre Dame folks everything they want. They want football independence,
they want something, they want scheduling options for all their
other teams. The ACC gives them that. They want some
(04:09):
scheduling options for football. The ACC gives them that, and
they want it at least an avenue to the college
football playoffs. And yeah, it didn't work for them this year,
but it did work for them last year. And remember
hitting twenty twenty that COVID year. If it wasn't for
the ACC, Notre Dame would have been left hung out
to dry. ACC allowed Notre Dame to play in its
football championship game that year, and the Irish ended up
(04:32):
in the smaller college football playoffs. So that's a lot
of bending over backwards for the fighting Irish. And even
if the bakwall was mad for a few days, I
think cooler heads will prevail for the short term. But
your guess is as good as MIAs to what this
world looks like five years from now.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It just came down Notre Dame will send out the
LEPRECN today to address Jim Thoops the touchdown Jesu or
the only on the matter.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
We got a great text. Brett Or Mark is a
great commissioner for the ACC. Oh, he's not the commissioner
of the ACC. I gotta tell you, Jim Phillips, how
about you get that? How about you get that mean
and nasty? All right? Anyway we're talking with David Glenn.
He's not meaning nasty either, Ladies and gentlemen, the NC
Sports Net. Check it out on YouTube, check it out
on Twitter. All right, So what do you think about
(05:24):
the way that it went down for the ACC's pursuit
of playoff college football that the conference champ doesn't get
in that because five loss, Duke wins it all, but
Miami is able to get in the way they did.
Did you think Miami deserved to be in And are
you kind of thinking like we are that maybe they
(05:47):
should heed the warning and kind of change their tie
breaker formulas so that if you have a higher ranked team,
they're guaranteed to be in that conference title game. What
do you think about all this?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Absolutely I agree with that that the ACC needs to
revisit the tiebreaker scenarios because we all knew. I was
there for that ACC title game between Duke and Virginia,
we all knew that an eight and five ACC champion
was not going to make it, Not with Tulane having
that great record in the American Conference, not with James
(06:18):
Madison being twelve and one and the champion of the
Sun Belt eight to five from any league I don't
think would make it, and not in a twelve team format,
so the ACC would have been wise. No, Virginia went
seven and one, so Virginia earned its way to Charlotte.
The tie breakers should have reflected the college Football playoff
rankings the way other conferences tiebreakers do, and that would have,
(06:42):
of course put in Miami sixtion two over Duke sixtion
two in conference play in that game, and it would
have been you know, it would have been a scenario
where no matter whether Miami won or Virginia one, the
ACC would have been pretty much guaranteed at least one
team in the College ball Playoff. Now they got lucky.
Miami ends up wiggling in as an at large. And
(07:04):
I do believe the Hurricanes deserved it. It was a
close call, right, I mean, I do feel bad for
Notre Dame. They had a good resume. They won ten
straight games. There are only two losses were to Texas
A and m in Miami, they beat Southern Kyle, they
had some other good wins. I felt bad for BYU.
I mean, but that's the nature of this stuff, right,
Like if you're a bubble team, you become a beggar.
(07:25):
Right whether it's Selection Sunday with March madness. You know,
if you go eleven and one in a major conference,
you're not gonna end up being a beggar. If you
go ten and two under the current format, you know
they're going to just scrutinize the details of every win
and every loss, and you know, game control and all
those other metrics. So there's a couple teams that I
(07:47):
think got left out in a tough fashion. But I
do think the Hurricanes earned their way in with win.
He's like the one over Notre Dame especially.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Do you think they can do some damage in the
college football playoffs? A and M the first game last year,
ACC did not win. But how much of a chance
you get Miami to beat Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think they have a shot, but going remember last year,
all four of these home teams won on the opening weekend, right,
and then remember all four of those same teams beat
the top four seeds the next week, which was crazy
a year ago.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I don't think that part will happened. But when I
look at this week's four matchups or next weeks, they
should say I think Miami has as good a chance
as any of the visiting teams to get a win.
You know, Texas showed Mike Elco of Texas A and
M is a heck of a coach formerly of Duke,
But Texas A and M is not quite as much
(08:43):
of just a steam roller, as say the Georgia Bulldogs
can be, or Ohio State or even Indiana now. But
the Kynes I thought played the best football in the
ACC all year long. Their losses to SMU and at
Louisville were very close games. They have balanced offense, defense,
special teams. The one question is what is Carson Beck
(09:05):
going to do for the Kings as a downfield passer?
It actually reminds me a little bit of some conversations
that you guys have been all over for years now
with Bryce Young and the Panthers. Miami does so many
things well that if Carson Beck can just scare defenses
with his ability to throw the ball downfield, everything else
works better. The short passing game, the running game, et cetera.
(09:27):
Miami's defense is good enough to beat anybody. Miami's talent
level is good enough to beat anybody. But I understand
why they're the underdog at Texas, A and M and
I would not be surprised if the four winners next
next Friday or are Alabama A and m Ole Miss
and Oregon the four hosts.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
All right, last thing I want to ask you is
let's end on a high note for the ACC be
in the champs.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think Duke winning testan forgotten here. David Duke is
the champion. Jack, I thought you're moving on to basketball
like usual. You got to go through the Senate to
get that mentioned on the show. I was going to go.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was gonna go hoops, Bony, I think, and that
should be good for you too. Duke's won some big games.
The ACC in general, I think looks much improved. Do
you agree? What are your early thoughts on this year's Accman,
just look at the challenge and how competitive it was.
I hate that they ended up getting routed on the
(10:23):
second night, but it feels like a much better ACC
in basketball this year.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I agree wholeheartedly. And I do think the ACC SEC
Challenge is kind of symbolic of where the league is.
When they went to in fourteen last year, it was
just a harbinger of things to come. Man, And of
course they end up getting four teams in the NC
Double A tournament. When you're an eighteen team league, four
is a disaster. I mean, back when we were young,
or I was anyway, they get six out of their
(10:51):
nine members in the NC Double A tournament in basketball,
I mean, that's two thirds. That's about as good as
a guess four out of eighteen as an embarrassment. But
so yeah, this year's Ormans in that challenge was better.
Duke is really good, Louisville is really good. I think
that next tier of North Carolina, Virginia, NC State, maybe Clemson,
maybe even Miami under the first year coach j Lucas,
(11:13):
maybe SMU, maybe Wake Forest. Right, I mean, that's that's
half the plumbs in the league at least look like
they have the ability to become an NCAA tournament team.
That doesn't mean they'll get nine bits, but if if
even six or seven of those nine turn out, well
that's a massive, massive step in the right direction for
ACC basketball. And when you look around, guys, Cameron boocerat
(11:36):
Duke is not only one of the best freshmen in
the country, one of the best players in the country.
Caleb Wilson of Carolina same one of the best players
in the country. And that's the theme at the top
of the ACC. And that's another welcome site for a
league that was licking its wounds last year.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
He is David Glad. Everybody check him out. Check in
North Carolina Sports Network out on Twitter at the NC
sports Net. Check it out on NC Sports newt on
YouTube as well for great content covering sports in our
great state. DG you rock Man, always good catching up
with you, Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Right back at you guys, always great.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
D to take care all right, be good there you go,
David Glenn
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