September 25, 2025 • 18 mins
The guys are joined by Gary Williams, host and executive producer of 5 Clubs on Golf Channel and Sirius XM, as they discuss the Ryder Cup team and the chances that the U.S. can win the event.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So let's talk Ryder Cup. Let's talk Bone,
(00:02):
romance novel reads. Gary Williams, five Club Golfs on Golf,
five Clubs on Golf Channel. As I try to speak,
also a host over on Serious XM as well, and
of course for years on this very station, in this
very time slot, back when this time slot was classy
(00:22):
on wfn Z, Gary, we got to talk some Ryder Cup,
we got to catch up.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you been doing, man boys.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
There is nothing more nourishing than hearing an audible pre
recorded spot from Bone talking rom coms I have. I
am ready. I can't wait to get back to the
media hotel, order up some some rom coms on audible.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, you sold them, Boney, you did your job, by
the way, not even just that, Gary, it's also the
really steamy stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's in the copy there.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yes, Steam, let me keep it down in room to
six thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I don't want them to hear me. That's right, that
is right, all right, can just be in glided in
the Lake Placid.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The timers, so many old timers with money in my boots,
so many old by the way, just because Jim's not
on the station anymore. Doesn't mean his stories don't get
told in this time slot.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Gary, I had somebody asked me yesterday, and this is
the God's Honors truth. Josh Carpenter lives in Charlotte, grew
up in the area listening to w f n Z.
And uh, he literally asked me yesterday about Selenie. He
works for the Sports Business Journal. He covers the game
of golf, the business of God. He's very good.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And he asked about jim yesterday, truly at that page.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Lives very nice. Long live Jimmy. All right, let's tell
we we we got to check in here. It's oh no, no,
don't do that. All right, let's talk Ryder Cup. I
just I love the passion of this you know, Gary,
You know, Gary, I am not. I don't really fit
the golf atmosphere the way you do. Right, That's why
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they don't want us back at Quail Hollow. But my god,
I like to scream about sports the way you do
at the Ryder Cup. I just I love to feel
this event. I love the patriotism of this event. And
man Rome was demoralizing. Rome was and it started right away.
It's like I felt that you never had a chance.
Is there an edge? Are they taking an edge? Are
they remembering that? Do you do you think because I
(02:22):
always feel like Europe feeds off of motion. Do you
think our boys are showing up but a little bit
of edge this week?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I do? I mean this is you know, look, this
is always tricky because it's an environment literally for them
when they're when they're out there, that's that's uncommon. That's
how boysterous it is. The Other part is they don't
play team golf. Now. Look a lot of these they
played college golf together. They're going out there trying to
post score. They played some Walker Cup, some of these
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guys on the United States team. The interesting thing to
get to your question is that the US is a
lot less experience this time around than the Europeans. Justin
Thomas's this is his fourth rider Cup team. Half the
European team is playing on at least their fourth rider
Cup team. Justin Rose his seventh rory, his eighth. I
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do think that Keegan Bradley has set a tone. I
think these guys admire the way that he's immersed himself
in being the captain of this team. And so yeah,
I think that naturally having this crowd, which has been
an overwhelming advantage for the home team. It's weird that
golf currently possesses truly.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The best home field advantage in sports.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
This we're living in a decade of blowouts. The last
five Ryder Cups had been won by an average of
six and a half points. That's that's like winning football
games by five touchdowns, and that's like five Super Bowls
or ten of them being blowouts consecutively. We need a
hyper competitive one. I think we're going to get that.
I do think mact that the American team is made
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up of a bunch of guys that that week in
and week out, are pretty But I do think that
they will They will be possessed of something that will
look unusual, and that is emotion and then being demonstrative.
And I do think that that Bryson D. Chambeau is
a chip for this team because he likes this environment.
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He literally lives for it. So yeah, I think they
will be I think they'll be edgy, I think they'll
be chippy. Look, the event itself makes it confrontational because
it's match play, which is why we love it so much.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Gary, do you like the makeup of the US roster
top the bottom. Did anyone selection surprise you, either that
they made it or someone that didn't make this I
wasn't surprised.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I was I would have omitted Colin Moricow off the team.
I think that he's had it, by his standards, a
dreadful year. He's had a horrible putting year. He's changed
caddies three times, he said, one top ten since March.
But he's here. He's still an e lead iron player.
I would have omitted him, and I would have gone
in the direction of someone like Maverick McNeely, who again
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it would have been another rookie. But here's one thing
about rookies, and people go, god, you know, a quarter
of the or a third of the team for the
United States has made up of rookies. I don't care.
Rookies historically, on both sides and in particular for the
United States, have always fared very well. In the last
twenty five years, rookies for the American team seventy three,
fifty nine and thirty one. That is really really good.
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And considering that that's in a lot of losses, the
rookies have adapted, whether it be Homer on the road,
Patrick Reed, Jordan's speed, Justin Thomas Tony Fen.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Now just recently debuting in.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Road Ryder Cups, have played very very well. That's why
I think guys that Ben Griffin, Cam Young, JJ Spawn,
all of them being rookies, they're going to be counted
on and I think that they're going to go out
there and play well.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Good.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'm glad you told me that because I would have thought,
you know, I was kind of worried about the youth
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, good all these guys. And by the way, just
one one little historical personal w fn Z Factory about
a rookie in the Ryder Cup. We were on the
air the Morning Sports Page You've been on the air
for three months in nineteen ninety nine and Tom Riley
called the European team hotel. We got Sergio Garcia on
the Morning Sports Page the Wednesday of Ryder Cup week
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week at seven eight a m. The answer of the
phone and came on the air. Yes, how about that?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That is amazing And I was just being done anything
else after that. That was his high note. He should
have left right then, should.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Have That's that's what people like the world has changed, Gary,
of calling the hotels was a regular thing back to
the day. Sometimes it would work for you, or sometimes
myself called John Crook one time welcome up, and he said,
don't you ever call. I got cussed out by John cart.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Mad as hell at that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It's funny with Sergio because I was getting ready to
take a cheap shot at him and him not being there,
because my god, how good was he in ryder cups?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And I hated that little dude. But man, that was
very nice of him because he could have went.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know, and here went he was. He was nineteen
years old in nineteen ninety nine at bro Quick played.
He played his ass off. I'll never forget another Another
wfn Z alum, Mark Yarborough was so angry because his
caddy was wearing a do rag and he's like, I
hate him. I hate his caddy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Like really, it doesn't take much with yarmshopa fires some
hate at you, Mark.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Simple as every reason. I mean, get him a birthday
cakes not big enough.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I love tunlet Oh, we had some gems. I love.
I love the old fn Z history. Gary.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I used to like it when Mark would play with
you guys who play the sound of Mark playing the
the instrument.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh that was good. Y'all got him on that? That
was good? All right.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Gary Williams is winners Here formerly of wfn Z five
Clubs Golf Show on Golf Channel. Gary Scottie Scheffler, That's
one thing that I love. I love having him. First
of all, I just love Scotty Scheffer. I love the
way he carries himself, what he stands for, his perspective,
all that stuff. But for the Ryder Cup, I love
the feeling of having this dude in the form he's
been in on our team.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But he had a rough go at rome.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The overall record you know, in limited Ryder Cup is
just kind of average. Do you feel like we could
really use him being dominant? Like what is there? Is
there a reason why he has not just been dominant
in the in the Ryder Cups?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And do you think he will be this time?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah? You know, And that's that's one of the challenges,
you know, when we evaluate this, to try to really
dig in and try to determine how well as so
many did er didn't play based on the results of
the match because they're relying on a partner and well
they got dump trucked him and Brooks Kepta by Victor
Hoblin and Loud Big Obert nine and seven in a match.
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But but but formally before that, in his debut, and
here's the thing, when he debuted again another rookie, he
played really well at Wisting Straights and at that time, guys,
he was kind of a surprise quote last man on
the side. He had yet to win a golf tournament
on the PGA Tour. And what did he do on Sunday?
John Rahm had been the best player for Europe that week.
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He was four and oh, Scotty Scheffler destroyed him in singles.
So I look what happened in Rome. No, he didn't
play particularly well. But back to your question about do
they need him to be dominant? Unequivocally yes, they need him.
They cannot win this Ryder Cup if he doesn't go.
Let's say three to one and one, he's playing all
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five sessions. I only think that they're likely to be
three players that do. And I think it's Scheffler, Rory,
maybe Rom and then for the United States again, depending
on if somebody goes out in his in his you know,
hot Friday morning. I think all twelve players for both
sides are going to play tomorrow in one session or
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the other. I don't think either team is going to
show up on Saturday without a player having played a match.
But Scheffler has got to be the best player. He's
got to be the best player for the United States.
He's got to be the best player in this And
here's the thing. He is the best player. He is
the bett And you know to what you said, Mac,
there's a lot to admire about him. I love him.
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I love the fact that the guy even showing up
in Napa You know, Scotty Sheffer doesn't mean to go
to Napa O and then to maybe knock a little
rust off like nine other guys on the American team did,
which I applaud them for going and playing in that
event because they didn't play before Rome, and they had
all had like five weeks of non competitive activity. He
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shows up every week and fights his ass off, and
I admire him for the way that he competes. It's
one thing to have elite skill, it's another thing to
use every shot as an individual competition, and he does that.
He's a generational player.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Gary the Bryson critics have been back out here in
the last week or so. What do you think of
Bryson right now, not only for his game of for
his game, but the fan favorite that he's become and
the way that he's trying to grow the game through
his YouTube showing all that he does.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, look, I think he's I've been around him a
fair amount, not recently obviously because he's playing on live.
I actually played in a pro am with him early
on in his career. I think he is He's obviously
very interesting. I think he's a peculiar guy. I think
some people looking and go, you're a poser. This is
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you know, this is show business. Yeah, it actually is
show business. And to your point about his audience, he
left the PGA Tours of Pariah. Currently he is among
the most popular players easily in the world. He has
an enormous young audience that follows him. And the other
thing about him that I appreciate is that he has
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evolved as a player. He was a very one dimensional
guy for a long period of time. He couldn't play,
wasn't competitive at.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
The Masters, he had no record.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
At the Open Championship. What has he done over the
last three years? He has not only won another major,
he was in the final group at the Masters. He
had three great rounds after a dreadful opening round at
the Open Championship. He has become a very, very reliable putter,
and most importantly, in this environment, there is nobody who
will feed off it more than he will. Nobody on
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the American team will drive the decibel level up more
than he will. He is a huge factor in this
event and I expect him. Some people don't think he's
going to play an alternate shot. I disagree. You don't
bench one of the five best players in the world
because you think he is kind of sideways with his driver.
First of all, there's no rough at Bethpage. That is
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supposed to be an American advantage. I don't think is
as much now as it used to be, because I
think these two teams are very similar stylistically. D Chamba
is a huge, huge chip for the United States and
I expect him. I expect him to do what he's
gonna do, which is to make this place even louder
than it could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I say, take that brandall shambily all right, I say,
take that, Gary, I know you know, I know you
know him, You're I think you're friendly with him and stuff.
He comes across, he okay, the good good, Then you
can explain him to me, all right, he comes across
like is he like trying to be Golf's I don't
want to say steven A because not like he's screaming,
but like he he likes these like going after Bryson
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and I don't think he's gonna be a good teammate,
Like and you just told us why you think he's
so valuable this week? Like is he trying to get headlines?
What is his like, what's what's up with Randall?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You know? Look I think that. And I actually was
texting him this morning. There's a there's a very good article.
And again I'm not I'm not. You like who you like.
And that's how we are. We all have things that
we're inclined to to be attracted to, and other things
were not. And that includes people. What I would say
about him, and having worked with him and done some
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shows with him through the years, there is nobody I
have ever been around who is more prepared. It doesn't
mean that I am complicit and I agree with everything
that he says. As a matter of fact, at the
PGA in twenty nineteen, here at Bethpage, we went to
dinner and he and I got in a down and
out Donny Brooke debate argument about Graham McDowell. Of all people,
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and three of the people at dinner left, They got
ubers and left. Because here's the thing. He grew up
in a household full of lawyers, so he sat at
dinner every night and all his family did was argue
in debate. He's inclined, he's litigious. He wants to choke
you out of your opinion. But like Johnny Miller, who
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for years and years when they would do polls, who's
your favorite, who's your least favorite?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Who do he likes?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Who do you hate? He'd win both polls. And Branda
is similar in that for respect, he is not doing
it as a performative artist. He is he is digging
in in ways quantitatively data driven historical references, not to
mention in eloquence with the language that is that is lethal.
He is, I think, is as good as anybody doing
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what he does. There are a lot of people who
coverspoorts who I think are lazy who are not inclined
because they know these athletes to not take them on.
He's not looking to make enemies. He's looking to make
an argument. And sometimes it pisses people off. A lot
of times it does. But I'm telling you he's not
doing it to get likes or to get attention. He is.
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That's just the way that he is. But I will
tell you if we went to dinner, the four of
us went to dinner, you would find to be him
to be utterly delightful. Then if you said something you
disagree with, then you would have a debate for an hour.
Then he would pay for He would pay the check,
and you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Would read I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Was that a really invited dinner, Gary, because make that one.
I definitely think that was.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Next year if he comes, if he comes to Quell
Hall for the Truest Championship, I will get you with him.
He is a delightful guy. If you debate him, you
will be exhausted running a marathon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Seriously, it's like debate man debating man. I like the
way Gary said. Everybody else at dinner left again that
actually our listeners told us they were leaving an hour ago, Gary,
when I was screaming at Bone for about four minutes,
they said I had enough of that.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
They do one thing for me? If the United States wins,
can you do a victory dance like you did this
past week when the Panthers got off the schneid and
won their first game. By the way, that that is,
that is utter hilarity. Uh. And I don't know where
you guys bought those jackets. I hope you have. I
don't know. Do you have a bunch? Do you have
like a closet full of them?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, we got we got one, we got well, Bone
bought them both.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I'm not I'm not allowed to because obviously we do
those on Monday, so I don't know the results. So
every once in a while I try to think of
maybe something in advance because I have to do it
in advance. So my my idea for Monday will be
at all time where they have to win on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's the only rub though, if you try to play
what it is? Yeah, have you here to screw it up? Gary?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you think do you think Johnny Harrison the crew
would be okay with me? Out at a formal dinner
at Quail wearing one of those jackets.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Do you think the.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Answer is emphatically no, I don't think they has been
has been revoked in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, we watched those dances. We think to ourselves, why
would they? What is I quail? And that's a yeah,
that's all good.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hey, we know our role, Gary, we know our role
in this town, baby expertly.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And thank you for that. And you play your role expertly.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Tell everybody when they can see you on uh on
Golf Channel. When's the show on Golf.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I appreciate it. Yeah. So we are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Uh,
we we are. We are in Charlotte. You know, I'm
very proud of, you know, not only be there again,
but be doing the show from a studio on North Tryo.
So we are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, live at eight am.
And it's simulcast on. It's up against you guys, but
it's also simon cast on. We're the only show ever
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in the history of Golf Channel be simulcast on Series XM.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So proud of that.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And then this week I'm doing when Golf is over
on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, I will be on Ryder
Cup Radio, which is PJ Tour Radio Channel ninety two
on Series XM, and then back on the air on Monday,
I've got Dan Hicks and Graham mcdoll of all people,
Man that I had a knockdown drag out Donny Brooke
hards bent with jee Brangle shambling about who wasn't even
in the PGA Championship field in twenty nineteen to argue
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with you about anything, but yes, I'll be doing the
post round a post round tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday on
serious texts.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
All right, brother, you're kicking a man and we're so
happy to see you kick an ass like that. And
back in Charlotte, keep it up and thanks for as always,
thanks for the insight on golf man.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Always good to be with you guys. Thanks so much,
All right, So let's talk Ryder Cup. Let's talk Bone,
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romance novel reads. Gary Williams, five Club Golfs on Golf,
five Clubs on Golf Channel. As I try to speak,
also a host over on Serious XM as well, and
of course for years on this very station, in this
very time slot, back when this time slot was classy
(00:22):
on wfn Z, Gary, we got to talk some Ryder Cup,
we got to catch up.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you been doing, man boys.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
There is nothing more nourishing than hearing an audible pre
recorded spot from Bone talking rom coms I have. I
am ready. I can't wait to get back to the
media hotel, order up some some rom coms on audible.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, you sold them, Boney, you did your job, by
the way, not even just that, Gary, it's also the
really steamy stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's in the copy there.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yes, Steam, let me keep it down in room to
six thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I don't want them to hear me. That's right, that
is right, all right, can just be in glided in
the Lake Placid.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The timers, so many old timers with money in my boots,
so many old by the way, just because Jim's not
on the station anymore. Doesn't mean his stories don't get
told in this time slot.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Gary, I had somebody asked me yesterday, and this is
the God's Honors truth. Josh Carpenter lives in Charlotte, grew
up in the area listening to w f n Z.
And uh, he literally asked me yesterday about Selenie. He
works for the Sports Business Journal. He covers the game
of golf, the business of God. He's very good.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And he asked about jim yesterday, truly at that page.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Lives very nice. Long live Jimmy. All right, let's tell
we we we got to check in here. It's oh no, no,
don't do that. All right, let's talk Ryder Cup. I
just I love the passion of this you know, Gary,
You know, Gary, I am not. I don't really fit
the golf atmosphere the way you do. Right, That's why
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they don't want us back at Quail Hollow. But my god,
I like to scream about sports the way you do
at the Ryder Cup. I just I love to feel
this event. I love the patriotism of this event. And
man Rome was demoralizing. Rome was and it started right away.
It's like I felt that you never had a chance.
Is there an edge? Are they taking an edge? Are
they remembering that? Do you do you think because I
(02:22):
always feel like Europe feeds off of motion. Do you
think our boys are showing up but a little bit
of edge this week?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I do? I mean this is you know, look, this
is always tricky because it's an environment literally for them
when they're when they're out there, that's that's uncommon. That's
how boysterous it is. The Other part is they don't
play team golf. Now. Look a lot of these they
played college golf together. They're going out there trying to
post score. They played some Walker Cup, some of these
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guys on the United States team. The interesting thing to
get to your question is that the US is a
lot less experience this time around than the Europeans. Justin
Thomas's this is his fourth rider Cup team. Half the
European team is playing on at least their fourth rider
Cup team. Justin Rose his seventh rory, his eighth. I
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do think that Keegan Bradley has set a tone. I
think these guys admire the way that he's immersed himself
in being the captain of this team. And so yeah,
I think that naturally having this crowd, which has been
an overwhelming advantage for the home team. It's weird that
golf currently possesses truly.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The best home field advantage in sports.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
This we're living in a decade of blowouts. The last
five Ryder Cups had been won by an average of
six and a half points. That's that's like winning football
games by five touchdowns, and that's like five Super Bowls
or ten of them being blowouts consecutively. We need a
hyper competitive one. I think we're going to get that.
I do think mact that the American team is made
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up of a bunch of guys that that week in
and week out, are pretty But I do think that
they will They will be possessed of something that will
look unusual, and that is emotion and then being demonstrative.
And I do think that that Bryson D. Chambeau is
a chip for this team because he likes this environment.
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He literally lives for it. So yeah, I think they
will be I think they'll be edgy, I think they'll
be chippy. Look, the event itself makes it confrontational because
it's match play, which is why we love it so much.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Gary, do you like the makeup of the US roster
top the bottom. Did anyone selection surprise you, either that
they made it or someone that didn't make this I
wasn't surprised.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I was I would have omitted Colin Moricow off the team.
I think that he's had it, by his standards, a
dreadful year. He's had a horrible putting year. He's changed
caddies three times, he said, one top ten since March.
But he's here. He's still an e lead iron player.
I would have omitted him, and I would have gone
in the direction of someone like Maverick McNeely, who again
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it would have been another rookie. But here's one thing
about rookies, and people go, god, you know, a quarter
of the or a third of the team for the
United States has made up of rookies. I don't care.
Rookies historically, on both sides and in particular for the
United States, have always fared very well. In the last
twenty five years, rookies for the American team seventy three,
fifty nine and thirty one. That is really really good.
(05:28):
And considering that that's in a lot of losses, the
rookies have adapted, whether it be Homer on the road,
Patrick Reed, Jordan's speed, Justin Thomas Tony Fen.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Now just recently debuting in.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Road Ryder Cups, have played very very well. That's why
I think guys that Ben Griffin, Cam Young, JJ Spawn,
all of them being rookies, they're going to be counted
on and I think that they're going to go out
there and play well.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Good.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'm glad you told me that because I would have thought,
you know, I was kind of worried about the youth
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, good all these guys. And by the way, just
one one little historical personal w fn Z Factory about
a rookie in the Ryder Cup. We were on the
air the Morning Sports Page You've been on the air
for three months in nineteen ninety nine and Tom Riley
called the European team hotel. We got Sergio Garcia on
the Morning Sports Page the Wednesday of Ryder Cup week
(06:26):
week at seven eight a m. The answer of the
phone and came on the air. Yes, how about that?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That is amazing And I was just being done anything
else after that. That was his high note. He should
have left right then, should.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Have That's that's what people like the world has changed, Gary,
of calling the hotels was a regular thing back to
the day. Sometimes it would work for you, or sometimes
myself called John Crook one time welcome up, and he said,
don't you ever call. I got cussed out by John cart.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Mad as hell at that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It's funny with Sergio because I was getting ready to
take a cheap shot at him and him not being there,
because my god, how good was he in ryder cups?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And I hated that little dude. But man, that was
very nice of him because he could have went.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know, and here went he was. He was nineteen
years old in nineteen ninety nine at bro Quick played.
He played his ass off. I'll never forget another Another
wfn Z alum, Mark Yarborough was so angry because his
caddy was wearing a do rag and he's like, I
hate him. I hate his caddy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Like really, it doesn't take much with yarmshopa fires some
hate at you, Mark.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Simple as every reason. I mean, get him a birthday
cakes not big enough.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I love tunlet Oh, we had some gems. I love.
I love the old fn Z history. Gary.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I used to like it when Mark would play with
you guys who play the sound of Mark playing the
the instrument.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh that was good. Y'all got him on that? That
was good? All right.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Gary Williams is winners Here formerly of wfn Z five
Clubs Golf Show on Golf Channel. Gary Scottie Scheffler, That's
one thing that I love. I love having him. First
of all, I just love Scotty Scheffer. I love the
way he carries himself, what he stands for, his perspective,
all that stuff. But for the Ryder Cup, I love
the feeling of having this dude in the form he's
been in on our team.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But he had a rough go at rome.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The overall record you know, in limited Ryder Cup is
just kind of average. Do you feel like we could
really use him being dominant? Like what is there? Is
there a reason why he has not just been dominant
in the in the Ryder Cups?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And do you think he will be this time?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah? You know, And that's that's one of the challenges,
you know, when we evaluate this, to try to really
dig in and try to determine how well as so
many did er didn't play based on the results of
the match because they're relying on a partner and well
they got dump trucked him and Brooks Kepta by Victor
Hoblin and Loud Big Obert nine and seven in a match.
(08:57):
But but but formally before that, in his debut, and
here's the thing, when he debuted again another rookie, he
played really well at Wisting Straights and at that time, guys,
he was kind of a surprise quote last man on
the side. He had yet to win a golf tournament
on the PGA Tour. And what did he do on Sunday?
John Rahm had been the best player for Europe that week.
(09:19):
He was four and oh, Scotty Scheffler destroyed him in singles.
So I look what happened in Rome. No, he didn't
play particularly well. But back to your question about do
they need him to be dominant? Unequivocally yes, they need him.
They cannot win this Ryder Cup if he doesn't go.
Let's say three to one and one, he's playing all
(09:40):
five sessions. I only think that they're likely to be
three players that do. And I think it's Scheffler, Rory,
maybe Rom and then for the United States again, depending
on if somebody goes out in his in his you know,
hot Friday morning. I think all twelve players for both
sides are going to play tomorrow in one session or
(10:02):
the other. I don't think either team is going to
show up on Saturday without a player having played a match.
But Scheffler has got to be the best player. He's
got to be the best player for the United States.
He's got to be the best player in this And
here's the thing. He is the best player. He is
the bett And you know to what you said, Mac,
there's a lot to admire about him. I love him.
(10:23):
I love the fact that the guy even showing up
in Napa You know, Scotty Sheffer doesn't mean to go
to Napa O and then to maybe knock a little
rust off like nine other guys on the American team did,
which I applaud them for going and playing in that
event because they didn't play before Rome, and they had
all had like five weeks of non competitive activity. He
(10:43):
shows up every week and fights his ass off, and
I admire him for the way that he competes. It's
one thing to have elite skill, it's another thing to
use every shot as an individual competition, and he does that.
He's a generational player.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Gary the Bryson critics have been back out here in
the last week or so. What do you think of
Bryson right now, not only for his game of for
his game, but the fan favorite that he's become and
the way that he's trying to grow the game through
his YouTube showing all that he does.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, look, I think he's I've been around him a
fair amount, not recently obviously because he's playing on live.
I actually played in a pro am with him early
on in his career. I think he is He's obviously
very interesting. I think he's a peculiar guy. I think
some people looking and go, you're a poser. This is
(11:39):
you know, this is show business. Yeah, it actually is
show business. And to your point about his audience, he
left the PGA Tours of Pariah. Currently he is among
the most popular players easily in the world. He has
an enormous young audience that follows him. And the other
thing about him that I appreciate is that he has
(12:00):
evolved as a player. He was a very one dimensional
guy for a long period of time. He couldn't play,
wasn't competitive at.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
The Masters, he had no record.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
At the Open Championship. What has he done over the
last three years? He has not only won another major,
he was in the final group at the Masters. He
had three great rounds after a dreadful opening round at
the Open Championship. He has become a very, very reliable putter,
and most importantly, in this environment, there is nobody who
will feed off it more than he will. Nobody on
(12:30):
the American team will drive the decibel level up more
than he will. He is a huge factor in this
event and I expect him. Some people don't think he's
going to play an alternate shot. I disagree. You don't
bench one of the five best players in the world
because you think he is kind of sideways with his driver.
First of all, there's no rough at Bethpage. That is
(12:51):
supposed to be an American advantage. I don't think is
as much now as it used to be, because I
think these two teams are very similar stylistically. D Chamba
is a huge, huge chip for the United States and
I expect him. I expect him to do what he's
gonna do, which is to make this place even louder
than it could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I say, take that brandall shambily all right, I say,
take that, Gary, I know you know, I know you
know him, You're I think you're friendly with him and stuff.
He comes across, he okay, the good good, Then you
can explain him to me, all right, he comes across
like is he like trying to be Golf's I don't
want to say steven A because not like he's screaming,
but like he he likes these like going after Bryson
(13:36):
and I don't think he's gonna be a good teammate,
Like and you just told us why you think he's
so valuable this week? Like is he trying to get headlines?
What is his like, what's what's up with Randall?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You know? Look I think that. And I actually was
texting him this morning. There's a there's a very good article.
And again I'm not I'm not. You like who you like.
And that's how we are. We all have things that
we're inclined to to be attracted to, and other things
were not. And that includes people. What I would say
about him, and having worked with him and done some
(14:08):
shows with him through the years, there is nobody I
have ever been around who is more prepared. It doesn't
mean that I am complicit and I agree with everything
that he says. As a matter of fact, at the
PGA in twenty nineteen, here at Bethpage, we went to
dinner and he and I got in a down and
out Donny Brooke debate argument about Graham McDowell. Of all people,
(14:31):
and three of the people at dinner left, They got
ubers and left. Because here's the thing. He grew up
in a household full of lawyers, so he sat at
dinner every night and all his family did was argue
in debate. He's inclined, he's litigious. He wants to choke
you out of your opinion. But like Johnny Miller, who
(14:51):
for years and years when they would do polls, who's
your favorite, who's your least favorite?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Who do he likes?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Who do you hate? He'd win both polls. And Branda
is similar in that for respect, he is not doing
it as a performative artist. He is he is digging
in in ways quantitatively data driven historical references, not to
mention in eloquence with the language that is that is lethal.
He is, I think, is as good as anybody doing
(15:18):
what he does. There are a lot of people who
coverspoorts who I think are lazy who are not inclined
because they know these athletes to not take them on.
He's not looking to make enemies. He's looking to make
an argument. And sometimes it pisses people off. A lot
of times it does. But I'm telling you he's not
doing it to get likes or to get attention. He is.
(15:40):
That's just the way that he is. But I will
tell you if we went to dinner, the four of
us went to dinner, you would find to be him
to be utterly delightful. Then if you said something you
disagree with, then you would have a debate for an hour.
Then he would pay for He would pay the check,
and you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Would read I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Was that a really invited dinner, Gary, because make that one.
I definitely think that was.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Next year if he comes, if he comes to Quell
Hall for the Truest Championship, I will get you with him.
He is a delightful guy. If you debate him, you
will be exhausted running a marathon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Seriously, it's like debate man debating man. I like the
way Gary said. Everybody else at dinner left again that
actually our listeners told us they were leaving an hour ago, Gary,
when I was screaming at Bone for about four minutes,
they said I had enough of that.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
They do one thing for me? If the United States wins,
can you do a victory dance like you did this
past week when the Panthers got off the schneid and
won their first game. By the way, that that is,
that is utter hilarity. Uh. And I don't know where
you guys bought those jackets. I hope you have. I
don't know. Do you have a bunch? Do you have
like a closet full of them?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, we got we got one, we got well, Bone
bought them both.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I'm not I'm not allowed to because obviously we do
those on Monday, so I don't know the results. So
every once in a while I try to think of
maybe something in advance because I have to do it
in advance. So my my idea for Monday will be
at all time where they have to win on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's the only rub though, if you try to play
what it is? Yeah, have you here to screw it up? Gary?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you think do you think Johnny Harrison the crew
would be okay with me? Out at a formal dinner
at Quail wearing one of those jackets.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Do you think the.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Answer is emphatically no, I don't think they has been
has been revoked in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, we watched those dances. We think to ourselves, why
would they? What is I quail? And that's a yeah,
that's all good.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Hey, we know our role, Gary, we know our role
in this town, baby expertly.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And thank you for that. And you play your role expertly.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Tell everybody when they can see you on uh on
Golf Channel. When's the show on Golf.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I appreciate it. Yeah. So we are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Uh,
we we are. We are in Charlotte. You know, I'm
very proud of, you know, not only be there again,
but be doing the show from a studio on North Tryo.
So we are Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, live at eight am.
And it's simulcast on. It's up against you guys, but
it's also simon cast on. We're the only show ever
(18:13):
in the history of Golf Channel be simulcast on Series XM.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So proud of that.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And then this week I'm doing when Golf is over
on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, I will be on Ryder
Cup Radio, which is PJ Tour Radio Channel ninety two
on Series XM, and then back on the air on Monday,
I've got Dan Hicks and Graham mcdoll of all people,
Man that I had a knockdown drag out Donny Brooke
hards bent with jee Brangle shambling about who wasn't even
in the PGA Championship field in twenty nineteen to argue
(18:40):
with you about anything, but yes, I'll be doing the
post round a post round tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday on
serious texts.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
All right, brother, you're kicking a man and we're so
happy to see you kick an ass like that. And
back in Charlotte, keep it up and thanks for as always,
thanks for the insight on golf man.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Always good to be with you guys. Thanks so much,
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