September 4, 2025 • 13 mins
Noted sports author, Ian O'Connor, joins the show, as Ian talks about his book about Bill Belichick becoming the best football coach of all time, he explains why he thinks Belichick will stay in the college game after this year, and what surprised him the most from Monday's opening night result
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But right now we will focus more on Bill Belichick.
A man that has written a book about Bill Belichick
and wrote a column about Bill's debut. He's now a
writer for The Athletic, and he told everybody to chill
out Bill started slow in New England, to chill out
and let the mand do work and don't overreact.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He is.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ian O'Connor read that article at Theathletic dot com. Ian,
thank you so much for coming on man.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thanks Ian, you're I I think your column is definitely reasonable,
right Lord knows we're on sports talk radio, so you
know we'll overreact that time, for God's sakes, and you know,
and you know our listeners will that are on social media,
so I think it's definitely reasonable to have that approach.
Were you though surprised You had to be surprised though,
by how bad it was the other night or did
(00:50):
you kind of have a feeling it could be like that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I didn't think it would be that bad. And by
the way, you also had a slow start in Cleveland,
which I forgot to mention.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Good call.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, in the column, but no, I thought they'd lose.
I thought they'd be more competitive than that. I think
the alarming thing for somebody who has watched Belichick's teams
over the years in New England is just fundamentally how
bad they were, and even just a somewhat minor mistake
on special teams, which is Bill's specialty. His patriots were
(01:18):
just always so great at paying attention to detail, particularly
on special teams. To have a punter drop a snap.
Now he got the kickoff, but it was a fairly
easy snap to handle. You just don't see Belichick teams
do things like that, beyond the major mistakes they made,
both defensively and offensively. Now they get out of the
gate that first possession, you're thinking, wow, okay, here we go.
(01:41):
But I thought they'd lose a more competitive game, maybe
by ten fourteen points, not by what thirty four points. No,
I didn't expect that. But when you have seventy new players.
I don't care if you're the greatest NFL coach of
all time, but when you have seventy new players and
you're starting as a college head coach for the first
time at age seventy three, there were going to be
(02:03):
some growing pains and certainly that was very painful if
you were North Carolina fans.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Ian knowing Belichick like you do and following his career,
what do you think the biggest adjustment's going to be
from the way he was set in his NFL ways
to this landscape of college football now.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, he thought he'd be a good fit because now
college sports is entirely different from what it used to be,
and that it's pay for play, and he thought this
sort of lines up with the NFL model now, where
you're just paying guys and recruitings out the window. It's
not about building relationships, it's how much can you pay
me to go to your school? And I thought that
that was maybe a little bit of a simplistic view
(02:46):
on it, because he's never coached player this young as
a head coach. Really, he's been in the NFL, or
was for forty nine consecutive seasons starting in nineteen seventy
five with the Cults as an assistant. Even though he
grew up around the Naval Academy his father was a
lifer a college coach. As an assistant, I just don't
(03:06):
think he had a full understanding of what it takes
to win in major college football, and why would he
because he's never done it, and you had a very
rock solid program in TCU with a college coach, the
guy who's never coached in the NFL. That was the
worst possible program for North Carolina to play, that kind
(03:26):
of a program which has a culture in place, a
coach who's the son of a college coach, who's been
a college coach, who went to the National Championship Game
a few years ago. So I did think they would lose,
But man, the kind of flaws they showed offensively, defensively,
and even on special teams were alarming. I just think
(03:47):
that after one week of that, they could bounce back
this week, get a couple of wins under their belt.
Against the schedule that is not very difficult if you
look at it over the balance of the season. I
suspect they're going to go eight and four, that's something
to that effect, and maybe seven and five, but you know,
they didn't hire him to do that. They didn't hire
(04:08):
him to go seven and five. Mac Brown could do that.
Certainly they expected more, but I think they'll get more
next season, not this year.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The recruiting looks pretty good moving forward, you know, so
so but but I think the results. The results have
a bearing on recruiting, so I think you want to
turn the results around.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But I think eight and four.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I think Tario fans would take that now, you know,
based on what they saw and what they're fearing after
the other night take off the other night.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I watch.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Now, I'm just saying that it was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Iano kind of read his stuff the Athletic dot Com,
including this piece telling everybody to chillax all right. He
did the Aaron Rodgers r e lax when it comes
to Bill Belichick's debut. And there's also the book out
there too if you want background as a Tar Heel
fan on Bill Belichick, The Making Belichick The Making of
the Greatest football Coach of all Time by our guest,
Ian O'Connor. Ian, you're you're your thought on Okay, you
(05:02):
think it'll get better this year, It'll get better moving forward.
I do think though, there are Heels fans that are like, hey,
he's no Spring Chicken. Will he have patients, you know,
for struggles and coaching college kids. I mean, he often
didn't have patients with pros grown men. Do you have
any fears that he won't do this? Very long, or
(05:22):
do you kind of think he will stick with this
and see this through.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Now he's seventy three, but I do think he's a youthful,
energetic seventy three And if they go seven and five,
he's not going to get an NFL offer, So I
do think he would want to leave for the NFL.
I just don't think that offer is going to be there,
So I think at the very least he'll be there
a second year. Now, they have a recruiting class right
(05:47):
now ranked I believe in the top fifteen, top twenty
in the country. His portal class this year, by twenty
four to seven sports was ranked I think ninth in
the country. If some of those are a lot of
those kids stay, I think they'll get better. The recruits
he does have coming in, And again I don't think
this is going to be a four and eight. Look
(06:07):
at their schedule and they could be three to one
and they're missing I think the only ranked team on
their schedule is Clemson, and so there are some winnable
games there. Now if Geo Lopez, and I don't know
if he's going to play this week, depending on his
physical status after getting hurt, but if he's not better
then he showed against TCU, then they're going to have
(06:28):
a problem. There's no question about that. Bill needs a quarterback.
He proved that in New England. He was what He
lost thirteen of his first eighteen games without Tom Brady.
Brady steps on the field and all of a sudden,
you have a dynasty. So he's going to need to
find the quarterback, whoever that person is. But and by
the way, playing Charlotte this week, you look at that
(06:48):
program and Tim Alban a guy who's what he's fifty
nine years old, and he's coached mostly at smaller schools.
I know he's thatt in Nebraska I think for a
few years. But what an opportunity for a guy like
him to beat Bill Belichick. And I don't if they
have a legitimate shot to do that. But on that schedule, now,
even though I said it's a light schedule, there are
(07:09):
a lot of opponents who are going to say, this
would be wonderful for our program just to beat him,
even if North Carolina is not that good.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, they'll want it bad.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You Sonny Dikes, you could tell how much it meant
and how much he played that kind of disrespect card
and you're ignoring us and all about like you, it's
going to They're gonna get everybody's best shot, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, sorry, I wasna say, And why not?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You would want to put that trophy on your or
in your trophy case as well. I beat Bill Belichick
definitely as a head coach at whatever school it is,
And yeah, that would be very meaningful.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Ian after writing the Definitive Guide or the book on
Bill Belichick and his life and his rise and what
he became, what was it like when you heard the
news that Belichick was going to college football.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I was surprised only because I thought he would wait
out the full NFL hiring cycle to see if he
got a job. And I don't know, maybe when he
called the New York Jets the New York Jets of
all teams, right, and they wouldn't even they wouldn't even
take a meeting with him, that had to scare him.
And so the previous season it looked like he was
getting the Atlanta job. He didn't get that, and I
(08:23):
think he's like, I'm going to get shut out again,
and I want to coach. I don't want to retire.
Right now and just do TV. So I was surprised
that he pulled the trigger as quickly as he did.
But again, when the Jets won't take a meeting with you,
and you're Bill Belichick and you dominated them for two
decades in your division, I can understand it at that level.
(08:46):
So it was a strange seeing him on the sideline.
I was there and watching him and in that building,
and I have to say, it's such a beautiful campus.
It's a beautiful setting. I've always wondered, why is North
Carolina not good in football? I understand it's a great
basketball school. You have a good recruiting area, you have
a great campus, good academic standing, and a good stadium.
(09:11):
And why hasn't North Carolina football been good over the
years or consistently good? And so they went for Belichick
and it was a great opportunity for him, and it
got off to an awful, disastrous start. But I think
he'll recover and we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'll tell you, after the first drive, I thought we
had something cooking here in the state of North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I'm not gonna lie in. I thought we had they had.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The atmosphere, they got the nil money.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
They're committing finally.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And they had the beautiful first drive and then we
know how the rest went.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
All right, get you out of here on this question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is the last question, and this is the one
and that I'm sure you knew was coming. I'm sure
that's your favorite question. But you wrote the book about
Bill Belichick, You've studied this guy, you know a lot
about him. So this Jordan Hudson relationship and the dynamic
and the way she can try trying to control that
(10:01):
sixty minutes interview, and you know, the way she gets
involved in stuff. How much does that surprise you with
the Bill you know in the past, because it's just
it's so it's so hard for us to wrap our
head around. Why is he letting this young girl control everything?
What are your thoughts on this relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Well, I think anytime you see someone having a relationship
with a person forty nine years his junior, you're going
to be very surprised at that. So I didn't see
that coming. I will say this about George Hudson, and
she made a mistake with that CBS interview, and I
don't know, when I was twenty four, I made a
lot of mistakes too, So I was willing to kind of,
(10:42):
as I've gotten older, try to be more open minded
to non traditional things. And okay's in love with a
very young woman. You know, if he, if Bill Belichick
lets you in his professional life and she was in
his professional life and probably still is to some degree,
there's a reason for it. He thinks that professionally she
is going to bring some value to his football program.
(11:05):
And now maybe we see now clearly the biggest age
gap in his career right now between himself and his players.
You see at North Carolina, there's never been that kind
of age gap. So is it possible she could help
him with Gen Z kids because she's a member of
that generation and he's a member of the baby Boomer
generation born during the Korean War. I think that's possible.
(11:28):
I think maybe he sees that that she could be
an asset in that program and sort of giving him
an idea of intel on what these kids are doing
and what are their interests and how to connect with them.
So we'll see. It is a very non traditional relationship.
But I do know this after studying Belichick and interviewing
(11:49):
more than three hundred and fifty people, If he's letting
you in his football life. He thinks you will bring value.
I'm not sure exactly what that value is, but he
does see something in her presence. And yes, it was shocking,
and I think everybody would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And this is going to go over well in a
tough week for UNC fans. I wanted to thank you
before you go for the job you did on the
Coach K book a couple of years ago, because that,
to me, honestly one of the greatest sports books I've
ever read. I read it twice. So while you're here,
I want to thank you and say great job on
that book as well.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well. Thank you. I really appreciate you saying that. I
was there, of course when North Carolina ended his career
in the Final four.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh bo o to Duke fans. So I'm glad you
brought that up. You brought him back down to earth.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I mean, those last two losses to North Carolina, the
final game of Duke and then in the Final four.
That was a tough way to go out, but hey,
it was a remarkable career. Coach K. I think even
I'd put him ahead of John Wooden on the mount.
I think he's the greatest college bashtball coach ever. People
older than I am that I've talked to vehemently disagree
(12:58):
with that because of the ten national titles. But that's
where I would put coach.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
K Now, I'm in a sad place.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ian.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
There you go, Thank you, and you're enjoying the Bill Belichicks.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I know you probably right back to crass like a
media here. All right. He's Ian O'Connor.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The book is Belichick The Making of the Greatest football
Coach of all Time. I'm sure a lot of Heels
fans might be interested in that now.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And you can read his stuff, including.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The piece about everybody chilling out about the Belichick debut
at the Athletic dot Com. Ian thanks so much for
the perspective. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It was my pleasure, guys. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
All right, there you go. That is Ian O'Connor.
But right now we will focus more on Bill Belichick.
A man that has written a book about Bill Belichick
and wrote a column about Bill's debut. He's now a
writer for The Athletic, and he told everybody to chill
out Bill started slow in New England, to chill out
and let the mand do work and don't overreact.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He is.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ian O'Connor read that article at Theathletic dot com. Ian,
thank you so much for coming on man.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me guys.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thanks Ian, you're I I think your column is definitely reasonable,
right Lord knows we're on sports talk radio, so you
know we'll overreact that time, for God's sakes, and you know,
and you know our listeners will that are on social media,
so I think it's definitely reasonable to have that approach.
Were you though surprised You had to be surprised though,
by how bad it was the other night or did
(00:50):
you kind of have a feeling it could be like that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I didn't think it would be that bad. And by
the way, you also had a slow start in Cleveland,
which I forgot to mention.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Good call.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, in the column, but no, I thought they'd lose.
I thought they'd be more competitive than that. I think
the alarming thing for somebody who has watched Belichick's teams
over the years in New England is just fundamentally how
bad they were, and even just a somewhat minor mistake
on special teams, which is Bill's specialty. His patriots were
(01:18):
just always so great at paying attention to detail, particularly
on special teams. To have a punter drop a snap.
Now he got the kickoff, but it was a fairly
easy snap to handle. You just don't see Belichick teams
do things like that, beyond the major mistakes they made,
both defensively and offensively. Now they get out of the
gate that first possession, you're thinking, wow, okay, here we go.
(01:41):
But I thought they'd lose a more competitive game, maybe
by ten fourteen points, not by what thirty four points. No,
I didn't expect that. But when you have seventy new players.
I don't care if you're the greatest NFL coach of
all time, but when you have seventy new players and
you're starting as a college head coach for the first
time at age seventy three, there were going to be
(02:03):
some growing pains and certainly that was very painful if
you were North Carolina fans.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Ian knowing Belichick like you do and following his career,
what do you think the biggest adjustment's going to be
from the way he was set in his NFL ways
to this landscape of college football now.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, he thought he'd be a good fit because now
college sports is entirely different from what it used to be,
and that it's pay for play, and he thought this
sort of lines up with the NFL model now, where
you're just paying guys and recruitings out the window. It's
not about building relationships, it's how much can you pay
me to go to your school? And I thought that
that was maybe a little bit of a simplistic view
(02:46):
on it, because he's never coached player this young as
a head coach. Really, he's been in the NFL, or
was for forty nine consecutive seasons starting in nineteen seventy
five with the Cults as an assistant. Even though he
grew up around the Naval Academy his father was a
lifer a college coach. As an assistant, I just don't
(03:06):
think he had a full understanding of what it takes
to win in major college football, and why would he
because he's never done it, and you had a very
rock solid program in TCU with a college coach, the
guy who's never coached in the NFL. That was the
worst possible program for North Carolina to play, that kind
(03:26):
of a program which has a culture in place, a
coach who's the son of a college coach, who's been
a college coach, who went to the National Championship Game
a few years ago. So I did think they would lose,
But man, the kind of flaws they showed offensively, defensively,
and even on special teams were alarming. I just think
(03:47):
that after one week of that, they could bounce back
this week, get a couple of wins under their belt.
Against the schedule that is not very difficult if you
look at it over the balance of the season. I
suspect they're going to go eight and four, that's something
to that effect, and maybe seven and five, but you know,
they didn't hire him to do that. They didn't hire
(04:08):
him to go seven and five. Mac Brown could do that.
Certainly they expected more, but I think they'll get more
next season, not this year.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The recruiting looks pretty good moving forward, you know, so
so but but I think the results. The results have
a bearing on recruiting, so I think you want to
turn the results around.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But I think eight and four.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I think Tario fans would take that now, you know,
based on what they saw and what they're fearing after
the other night take off the other night.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I watch.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Now, I'm just saying that it was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Iano kind of read his stuff the Athletic dot Com,
including this piece telling everybody to chillax all right. He
did the Aaron Rodgers r e lax when it comes
to Bill Belichick's debut. And there's also the book out
there too if you want background as a Tar Heel
fan on Bill Belichick, The Making Belichick The Making of
the Greatest football Coach of all Time by our guest,
Ian O'Connor. Ian, you're you're your thought on Okay, you
(05:02):
think it'll get better this year, It'll get better moving forward.
I do think though, there are Heels fans that are like, hey,
he's no Spring Chicken. Will he have patients, you know,
for struggles and coaching college kids. I mean, he often
didn't have patients with pros grown men. Do you have
any fears that he won't do this? Very long, or
(05:22):
do you kind of think he will stick with this
and see this through.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Now he's seventy three, but I do think he's a youthful,
energetic seventy three And if they go seven and five,
he's not going to get an NFL offer, So I
do think he would want to leave for the NFL.
I just don't think that offer is going to be there,
So I think at the very least he'll be there
a second year. Now, they have a recruiting class right
(05:47):
now ranked I believe in the top fifteen, top twenty
in the country. His portal class this year, by twenty
four to seven sports was ranked I think ninth in
the country. If some of those are a lot of
those kids stay, I think they'll get better. The recruits
he does have coming in, And again I don't think
this is going to be a four and eight. Look
(06:07):
at their schedule and they could be three to one
and they're missing I think the only ranked team on
their schedule is Clemson, and so there are some winnable
games there. Now if Geo Lopez, and I don't know
if he's going to play this week, depending on his
physical status after getting hurt, but if he's not better
then he showed against TCU, then they're going to have
(06:28):
a problem. There's no question about that. Bill needs a quarterback.
He proved that in New England. He was what He
lost thirteen of his first eighteen games without Tom Brady.
Brady steps on the field and all of a sudden,
you have a dynasty. So he's going to need to
find the quarterback, whoever that person is. But and by
the way, playing Charlotte this week, you look at that
(06:48):
program and Tim Alban a guy who's what he's fifty
nine years old, and he's coached mostly at smaller schools.
I know he's thatt in Nebraska I think for a
few years. But what an opportunity for a guy like
him to beat Bill Belichick. And I don't if they
have a legitimate shot to do that. But on that schedule, now,
even though I said it's a light schedule, there are
(07:09):
a lot of opponents who are going to say, this
would be wonderful for our program just to beat him,
even if North Carolina is not that good.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, they'll want it bad.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You Sonny Dikes, you could tell how much it meant
and how much he played that kind of disrespect card
and you're ignoring us and all about like you, it's
going to They're gonna get everybody's best shot, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, sorry, I wasna say, And why not?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You would want to put that trophy on your or
in your trophy case as well. I beat Bill Belichick
definitely as a head coach at whatever school it is,
And yeah, that would be very meaningful.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Ian after writing the Definitive Guide or the book on
Bill Belichick and his life and his rise and what
he became, what was it like when you heard the
news that Belichick was going to college football.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I was surprised only because I thought he would wait
out the full NFL hiring cycle to see if he
got a job. And I don't know, maybe when he
called the New York Jets the New York Jets of
all teams, right, and they wouldn't even they wouldn't even
take a meeting with him, that had to scare him.
And so the previous season it looked like he was
getting the Atlanta job. He didn't get that, and I
(08:23):
think he's like, I'm going to get shut out again,
and I want to coach. I don't want to retire.
Right now and just do TV. So I was surprised
that he pulled the trigger as quickly as he did.
But again, when the Jets won't take a meeting with you,
and you're Bill Belichick and you dominated them for two
decades in your division, I can understand it at that level.
(08:46):
So it was a strange seeing him on the sideline.
I was there and watching him and in that building,
and I have to say, it's such a beautiful campus.
It's a beautiful setting. I've always wondered, why is North
Carolina not good in football? I understand it's a great
basketball school. You have a good recruiting area, you have
a great campus, good academic standing, and a good stadium.
(09:11):
And why hasn't North Carolina football been good over the
years or consistently good? And so they went for Belichick
and it was a great opportunity for him, and it
got off to an awful, disastrous start. But I think
he'll recover and we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'll tell you, after the first drive, I thought we
had something cooking here in the state of North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I'm not gonna lie in. I thought we had they had.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The atmosphere, they got the nil money.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
They're committing finally.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And they had the beautiful first drive and then we
know how the rest went.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
All right, get you out of here on this question.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is the last question, and this is the one
and that I'm sure you knew was coming. I'm sure
that's your favorite question. But you wrote the book about
Bill Belichick, You've studied this guy, you know a lot
about him. So this Jordan Hudson relationship and the dynamic
and the way she can try trying to control that
(10:01):
sixty minutes interview, and you know, the way she gets
involved in stuff. How much does that surprise you with
the Bill you know in the past, because it's just
it's so it's so hard for us to wrap our
head around. Why is he letting this young girl control everything?
What are your thoughts on this relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Well, I think anytime you see someone having a relationship
with a person forty nine years his junior, you're going
to be very surprised at that. So I didn't see
that coming. I will say this about George Hudson, and
she made a mistake with that CBS interview, and I
don't know, when I was twenty four, I made a
lot of mistakes too, So I was willing to kind of,
(10:42):
as I've gotten older, try to be more open minded
to non traditional things. And okay's in love with a
very young woman. You know, if he, if Bill Belichick
lets you in his professional life and she was in
his professional life and probably still is to some degree,
there's a reason for it. He thinks that professionally she
is going to bring some value to his football program.
(11:05):
And now maybe we see now clearly the biggest age
gap in his career right now between himself and his players.
You see at North Carolina, there's never been that kind
of age gap. So is it possible she could help
him with Gen Z kids because she's a member of
that generation and he's a member of the baby Boomer
generation born during the Korean War. I think that's possible.
(11:28):
I think maybe he sees that that she could be
an asset in that program and sort of giving him
an idea of intel on what these kids are doing
and what are their interests and how to connect with them.
So we'll see. It is a very non traditional relationship.
But I do know this after studying Belichick and interviewing
(11:49):
more than three hundred and fifty people, If he's letting
you in his football life. He thinks you will bring value.
I'm not sure exactly what that value is, but he
does see something in her presence. And yes, it was shocking,
and I think everybody would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And this is going to go over well in a
tough week for UNC fans. I wanted to thank you
before you go for the job you did on the
Coach K book a couple of years ago, because that,
to me, honestly one of the greatest sports books I've
ever read. I read it twice. So while you're here,
I want to thank you and say great job on
that book as well.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well. Thank you. I really appreciate you saying that. I
was there, of course when North Carolina ended his career
in the Final four.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh bo o to Duke fans. So I'm glad you
brought that up. You brought him back down to earth.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I mean, those last two losses to North Carolina, the
final game of Duke and then in the Final four.
That was a tough way to go out, but hey,
it was a remarkable career. Coach K. I think even
I'd put him ahead of John Wooden on the mount.
I think he's the greatest college bashtball coach ever. People
older than I am that I've talked to vehemently disagree
(12:58):
with that because of the ten national titles. But that's
where I would put coach.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
K Now, I'm in a sad place.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Ian.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
There you go, Thank you, and you're enjoying the Bill Belichicks.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I know you probably right back to crass like a
media here. All right. He's Ian O'Connor.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The book is Belichick The Making of the Greatest football
Coach of all Time. I'm sure a lot of Heels
fans might be interested in that now.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And you can read his stuff, including.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The piece about everybody chilling out about the Belichick debut
at the Athletic dot Com. Ian thanks so much for
the perspective. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It was my pleasure, guys. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
All right, there you go. That is Ian O'Connor.
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