December 8, 2025 • 46 mins
Mac & Bone start Monday's show, talking about the Panthers being in first place in the NFC South after the bye week, with the Bucs loss yesterday, they dive into the CFP bracket being revealed, and the chaos that followed with Alabama making the field over Notre Dame, they play audio from local college basketball games & more
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
When come on sty oh is you guys are the
most entertaining sports program in the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Bone Gobin, no, no, stop talking. You and I are
a couple eating a lady in the tramp. You're the
lady on the tram.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, come on, come on, baby, I was Boopy Boopy
MacLean man. That's a great name. All the buck. We're ready, baby,
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We're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We have so much to talk about on this Monday
morning on the Mac and Bone Show.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Did the Panthers win the bye week? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I believe we might have done that thanks to the
New Orleans Saints beating the Tampa Bay Bucks back in
tie for first place. As we get ready for the
stretch run of four games, some actual December intrigue and
drama and maybe fun with the Carolina Panthers, you know,
we got to talk about that today.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Good news is the Bucks lost.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Bad news is anybody think the Saints look kind of
feisty going into the.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Next week's game. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I couldn't help that thought too. As I was watching.
We got all kinds of college football playoff reaction. We've
got ourselves, you know, Notre Dame out Miami in We've
got Bama in there, of course we do. We've got
ourselves two group of five teams, and I mean, how
fast will those rules change? By the way, now that
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we have two group of five teams that are sixteen
and a half point underdogs and twenty one point underdogs,
I believe in their respective games. So we get a
lot to talk about. Up and down weekend for the Hornets,
Big hoops wins for Carolina last night against Georgetown. Duke
manohil Man is duke basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
By the way, the Duke football team on the ACC.
This duke basketball team Man has won some tough, tough games.
They beat Michigan State and give credit to Wake Forest too.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Nice win in Charleston, West Virginia against the West Virginia Mountain.
There's a hostile, a hostile West Virginia crowd. We will
talk about that. NC State. You will get no no
plaudits whatsoever for that sleepy ass effort against unc Asheville. Anyway,
let's do it. Baby, Fiddy's in the house. The Bone Man,
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you know, is in the house as well. What's up, Bony,
how do you feeling? Congrats on be a ACC champs?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Bone?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I'm sorry to Golden Bone. I'm sorry, it's you know,
you got to take the good with the bad. Here
in twenty twenty five fifty, I was getting myself adjusted
here for the show, getting my head set on, ready
to listen to how Mac presented the show. I missed
the open where you played the salute to champions, the
montage of the Duke football tell region. Will you please
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replay that for me here? I didn't hear you do that.
It was just kind of like the show started. There
was no outlandish celebration. Could you please replay that for
us Dukie filth It's amazing how that happened. Mac Right,
no song, no celebration, one of the biggest nights in
the history of football in the Carolinas, and we got
nothing to return on this. I got an honest question
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for Duke fans. You care more about beating Michigan State
and basketball or winning the ACC time I care about.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I care about all that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Guess what, thirty four dollars and ninety nine cents my
ACC championship tea shirt will arrived.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The Oh my god, you gonna wear that with a
straight face? Absolutely darn right, I am.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Was a dramatic game It was a dramatic game for
those Duke Blue Devils.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We talked about.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I know that the non conference for Duke didn't go well,
but you look at what they did in the state.
They beat Clemson, they won the ACC. So like all
the games of note that we talk about here, they
they took care of it. If they could have actually
done something in the non conference, they might be in
this state now, that would have been nice. Cordia still
thinks they should be in. They did a great job
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against the rivals this year. They did a great job winning.
So you're not gonna You will not do the thing
you do today. You will not remove joy from my body.
You will not dance and celebrate Duke not getting in today.
You will not I'm not celebrating. We are champions and
you can't take that away. I will not sell I
will not sell it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm happy Duke one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's just it's it's just it's not your normal ACC
football championship. But there's a lot that's not normal about
the college football playoff. If you see any dancing over
anybody's tears today, oh it's going to be me on
Notre Dame. I'll tell you that, right now. And I
hope my mom's not listening because she's a Notre Dame fan.
She'll be very upset with me. But that must happen today.
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It must happen.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We'll talk about it a bunch, obviously. It's the story.
The fact that Miami jumps Notre Dame. I thought bone
we talked last week, talked about Friday. I thought they
might have been setting this up. And that's and it's
very sad with the committee that you've got to sit
there and you got to figure out what they're setting
up or whatever. It's very sad the way this whole
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thing works. The process is flawed. But we will talk
about it, and I will say this, this is this
is ain't an easy decision. I personal. I'm just we'll
save it. We'll say we got all this time to
talk about it. But but that ain't an easy decision.
That Miami Notre Dame Alabama decision was. That was a
tough one man. That was tough on the resumes and
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the brands also right because they all have their value
to the playoff that goes so far beyond just the resumes.
It's Miami, it's Notre Dame. It's Bama. So that was
a very tough one. As Sean McDonough said a couple
of times on the broadcast last year was South Carolina, Ole,
Miss and Bama. But that was a little bit easier
to try to figure out. They all had three long
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they all had three longs. This one was much tougher
anyway you went on this one. Someone's upset it. Alabama
had three losses, but Saturdays didn't count. Saturdays didn't happen, apparently, Bone,
according to a lot of people. And I understand, I understand.
If you set the precedent of knocking a team out
that played in a conference title game, we can basically
wagh by by the conference title games. To that, I asked,
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because at the end of the world, but we've we've
got the whole show Bone to tear into all these things.
I mean, I gotta be honest with you, enjoy watching
two group of five teams because you may not.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You ain't gonna watch too many of them moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I have a feeling, I have a feeling the rules
are gonna be changed because that's Saturday, Bone, that's Saturday
of the first weekend of the playoff. Aren't they trying
to compete with NFL YEA three point thirty is Mississippi Tulane.
I watched a good bit of that game. It was
already played and Mississippi won by thirty five points. So
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you have that, and then you lead into the seven
to thirty night game on the big first Saturday College
Wall playoff. It's JMU at Autin Stadium against Oregon. Yes, yes, many,
and could not you know they subble these two of
the games to to Turner to TNT that they could
not wait to get those two over the tn T. Also,
they're like, you can go, we know what's due, you're getting.
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You're getting these two. And for all the people that
are celebrating and stumping for JMU, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
They got in.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You better not complain on that Saturday night when it's
twenty eight to three in the first half and the
game's unwatchable because you are you claiming that Duke would
go into aunts and bone and put it on it,
put it on a ducky sad they would do better
than JMU will do against R.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm notcause what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
People are gonna say, very well, might although I've got
a conference Duke people are gonna tout JMU and then
complain when the games unwatchable. That's what they're gonna do.
But I don't think Duke's the answer to the question.
I think he answer the question is finding a way
to get noted day. That's that's you know what I mean?
Obviously that's more of a feasible question. Well, j JMU
is going to be complained about incessantly by people because
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are gonna getrun out of the out of the stage. Heay.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
One thing we can agree on.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
One thing we can agree on bone is we love
the fact that Panthers are in first place. I watch
that whole Buck Saints game yesterday. I might as well
be an honorary a Bear family member. At this point
I had everything but the Cajun accent bone. I was
screaming who'd at in the house as well? And the
Saints got it done five times they stopped on fourth down.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Imagine what we would say about Dave Canalis today if
they got stopped five times on fourth down.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Baker Mayfield bone.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm guessing the injuries playing a huge role, but he
and their passing game looks so far off of it.
And I know it was rainy and stuff like that,
but it just that passing game does not look the part,
and Buka had only two catches fifteen yards and dropped
a what could have been a game winning touchdown pass
man That was glorious to watch on a by Sunday
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for as a Panther fan. Yeah, I lost a parlay yesterday.
The only game I lost all day was that one.
I thought I was pretty safe when I made that pick.
Glad I'm wrong, but I thought I was pretty safe
in that one. And you kept waiting all day for
the Buccaneers to open it up a little bit. But
that's sort of been their story in the last handful
of games. This is not the team that started the
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year where we had Baker Mack near the top of
the MVP discussions. The offense was rolling along. Sometimes when
you lose it, whether it be due to injuries, performance,
whatever it may be, you can look at the schedule
and say, yeah, they're the Buccaneers have the easier path
than the Panthers, but it's hard when you start to
lose it to get it back going, sometimes even against
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the lesser teams. And you saw that yesterday for the Buccaneers.
They just they have not been able to figure it
out and get that thing back on track that we
saw the first handful of games of the season. This
is just this is yeah, this is not the Bucks
at their best, and that encourages the living crap out
of me as a Panther fan. Like and I've said that,
I said it last week. If we were going against the
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Bucks at their best, we ain't win in the division, right,
the best they've had in the last couple of years.
Because of injuries, this is certainly not their best. They
lose Ben Bredison in the middle of this game, their
left guard. They now have the whole left side of
their offensive line out because Tristan Wurf's is still out.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Mike Evans will come back bone, but does he come
back this week?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Does he knock the rust offer?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is he trying to knock the rust off in Game
one against the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's on, man, It's.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
On, like damn Donkey Kong, and I cannot wait. Now
I will say this and we'll talk about this too.
I'm sure after watching the Saints and watching Tyler shuck
this dude's a damn gamer.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
This dude's a gamer. This dude makes plays with his legs.
They ran the football. I'm going to spend I'm gonna
spend a week nervous bone about the Saints. We've seen
him do it to us one time that as I
was watching the game, I couldn't escape that feeling though, like,
I don't know, it doesn't look like he's going be
easy next week. I mean, they've beaten the Panthers here,
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and they beat Tampa and Tampa, so they definitely when
they're when they're okay, they can compete with these teams.
They've shown that they can also be terrible, and hopefully
on Sunday we get the terrible version of New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Mack.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You look at the Buccaneers overall stats right now, and
they are the definition of average to below average in
so many categories. Right now, Tampa's offense is eighteenth in
points per game. They are twenty third in points per
game allowed on the season. Their passing offense right now
is ranked in pass yards per game twenty an. So
think about where they were numbers wise and where they
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are now. They have really fallen off in almost every
major category. Don't get me wrong, we're in the same
neighborhood in a lot of these categories. But the point
is they come back to the now. Yes, they're back
like and that goes to my point. This is not
the Bucks at their best. We are getting better, but
can we be consistent? So anyway, this could be a
fun week of panther talk after what the Saints did
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to the Bucks yesterday. Do want to mention the hoops
games yesterday. Love that second half performance out of the
tar Heels last night, Bony, This team has some real
defensive potential, absolutely, and I can't wait till Seth Tremble
gets back to watch his team play defense.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We saw what they did in the second half defensively
to Kentucky, although I don't know, maybe that win looks
worse now after what katag It did do about Friday night,
But we saw what they did defensively in the second
half there at Rup and then last night Bone they
hold Georgetown the twenty two percent shooting and one of
fourteen threes in the second half, and there's a reason why.
Good luck scoring in the paint with that giant with
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giant ass Henry in there. Man, And I still don't
know how to say his last name every broadcast, there's
a different way of pronouncing his best vestr right FIDDI.
Someone told me Vassar and I was saying vsar. Yeah,
I get three different one I gos, I go Visaar.
There's a fourth one, Besser. I call him Big Hank
sometimes grown ass man. What a four is Henry Hoggard
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because he does resemble a Hoggard family member.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I can't force I can't unsee that.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
By the way, when when his head starts shaking, it's
like when Colin starts getting reded up with what you
will be from ten to twelve today. It is just
and it's the greatest comparison you've ever come up with
in your life.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
We know, we know that Caleb Williams is a dog.
He's an NBA twis excuse me, Yes, Caleb Wilson is
a dog. We know his talent level and he is
one of the best players in America. But Big Hank
in the middle has been equally I think as important
for him and that duo.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What a tandem.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They didn't really start out necessarily yesterday as great as
they normally do. And look what they both finished with
yesterday combined they have, as my screen messes up here.
They finished yesterday with a combined let's see, he's.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thirty six and twenty five or thirty six and twenty six.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, thirty six and twenty five. And they didn't start
out necessarily as dominant the second half. What's a complete takeover.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
By the Biggs.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What a what a tandem they are on the glass
in the paint. You throw it in him again, I
keep saying most all season, this is Carolina basketball. This
is Carolina basketball. Two giant dudes throw it into him,
hit the boards. But their defensive potential is very high
in my opinion, as a team, they're already twenty spots
higher in defense efficiency and offensi efficiency. But like, good
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luck scoring over Henry inside. Man, that dude affects. I mean,
you only had one block, I think, but that dude
affected so many attempts to score.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
In the paint. Man, watch it. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And they're different players, but they both play with an
attitude and energy Big Hank. Big Hank's always out there
talking and there's an energy that goes with him as well.
Caleb Wilson is that way too, But man, the energy
level those two bigs bring is really something else. And
the shooting Dixon, Dixon's confident. Y'all shot the hell out
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of the ball. And if Bogovots and Dixon can shoot
at Caroline is only two hundred and thirty fourth in
a country in three point percentage. If those two cats
specifically can shoot it bone, that's going to improve those
numb then it's going to be a pick. You're poison.
Do we double inside or do we stay out on
the shooter. So anyway, I like this Carolina team potential
and Seth Tremble's probably a couple weeks away from coming back.
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The Hornets last night were in action against Denver. LaMelo Ball,
we got a new injury bone. We got a new
LaMelo Ball injury didn't play. I guess they're calling it
a bone bruise. And the ankle happened on that weird
play where he kind of slipped, looked like he kind
of turned the ankle a little bit. Against Toronto. The
Toronto win was amazing in that they went on a
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huge run after LaMelo left the game. I found that
pretty damn intriguing. Last morning. Five point road win for
the Hornets against a good team is highly notable two
in a row against Toronto. Now, so the way they
played without LaMelo, they went, They outscored him by nineteen
points after LaMelo left the game.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, it was eye opening performance.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm guessing that
the Brass is watching how they play without LaMelo ball.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I believe they. I believe they definitely are now.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Last night, Bone, they hung in for a while, but
it wasn't to be. The Murray and Jokic show was absurd.
Murray could not miss. I thought Murray was going for
a full James Harden on this Bone to wait. The
first half went. I get twenty seven in the first half,
but then Jokic said, I'll take us home, hitting big
shot after big shot, including a bank three that led
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to Eric Collins screaming maybe louder than he ever has
for a basket made by the opposition. Holy startled me, boned,
I got a little startled him to catch. I think
the dogs got startled too.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Hey did that Barbers dout? I mean the second it
went in Bone, they tried do tell.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That was at that Joe never changed, baby, Yeah, I
didn't never change. They caught me off guard too. I
didn't know what I thought. I missed something, and I
was like, Oh, he's excited over the bank shot. He's
very fired up that he thinks Jokic tried to bank
it from the three point line straight away. They they
fought relatively hard last night. It was Murray in the
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first half. Jokich didn't have that many in the first half,
and the second half it was it was the Jokic show.
So Murray had the first half, Jokich the second half.
At one point, the Hornets got up by six and
then you looked up and all of a sudden they
were down because they gave up a thirteen oh run
and that was pretty much the ballgame. After they got
up by six, I think Denver went on a eighteen
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to six run or a twenty to six run, whatever
the numbers were, and after it was sixty six sixty
the Nuggets completely took over the game. Thirteen oh run
right after that because they made it seventy three to
sixty six. Hey, listen, that's not a bad weekend at all.
And again, the way they played with that LaMelo to
me was very interesting. Now that I have some time off,
because it was Friday, Sunday this weekend, and then because
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of the NBA coup, it's Friday Sunday.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
The next two games.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They don't play again until Friday, and then it's Thursday,
so they'd have Friday Sunday, Friday, Sunday, Thursday. So this
is a good time to hopefully get some of these
guys healthy. They were still missing a tongue last night,
not only Mellow, but You've got You've also got you know,
Sexton's hurts, and that hurts because you was out.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Man is out.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The other two guys are still out from Thirdery. So
they were missing Mac five or six rotation guy. Man,
they're missing five or six rotation guys. They are they are.
Dare I say that stem might be standard for this team,
though I barely beat an eyelash anymore. But yeah, like you,
you're missing your top two point guards and you're missing
a guy and Trey Man that can do that. kJ
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Simpson had himself a damn first half, though, I give
him that. How about kJ Simpson and Liam mcnely twenty
five combined points in the first half. How about freaking
T John's game on Friday Night? How about his second
half on Friday Night where he ends up scoring twenty one.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Dare I say it?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
T Jon Salon looks like the stint down in Greensboro
actually helped it, does Yeah? Like he looks like a
different player. He found He's found a little control for himself.
He's not as out of control. He still has his
moments where it's like a deer with the basketball, but
he's still What's like, he's starting to get it a
little bit. By the way, Mag Duke fans right now,
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they're looking for you, right now, mag James Remain's threatening
bill defication right now on you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So this is the problem. What did I do?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What do they feel like you've glossed over the Michigan
State win rather quickly? I just said, I was on
here touting it, and I said, what do Duke fans
care more about the basketball or the football wins this week?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Come on your side, man. But what James threatens that
I would look out.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh my god's amazing. Win this two teams up, James Remaine,
you're gonna mess around and watch me pick them to
win a damn national title?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You fool? How about you just tread lightly, no defication,
No tread lightly. Seriously extremely impressive.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I thought they're here at Shame on me, Fitty for
thinking they cared about me downplaying the RACC football time.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
They don't give two craps. I worried about Bones.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
So you're you're free during the week this week, No Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
hornets stuff, You're free.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
No busy? Okay. I was gonna vite you to go
see Christmas lights with me. What day? What happened and
you lost your partner in that endeavor?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh no, I mean it's just just me and you
just driving around looking at lights.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I figured we could bring Mabel, get some hot chocolate,
kind of puts the Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Music, you know, Wednesday works. That took a twist. That
was supposed to be a date night for Fiddy. Now,
by the way, if it's just a say we do
this off the year next time, Fanny, So yeah, can
we bring can we.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Bring pouch in the battle? Pouches a given man? All right?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
When we come back here on the Mac and Bone Show,
we react to the college football bracket reveal and the
conference title games, and yes, the full celebration begins for
your ACC football champion. Sports Radio seven Douz.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Moving that was we felt like the way BYU performed
in their championship game, a second loss to Texas Tech
in a similar fashion was worthy of Miami moving ahead
of them in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And once we moved.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Miami ahead of BYU, then we had that side by
side comparison that everybody had been hungering for with Notre
Dame in Miami. And you look at those two teams
on paper, and they were almost equal in their schedule, strength,
their common opponents, the results against their common opponents. But
the one metric we had to fall back on again
was the head to head. I charged the committee members
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to go back and watch that game again, the Miami
Notre Dame game, because it was so far back, and
we got some interesting debate from our coaches on what
that game looked like as we watched it. And with
that in mind, we gave Miami the nod over Notre
Dame into that ten spot.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
There you go, Hunter, you're a check explaining why the
heck without playing this weekend, Miami and Notre Dame ended
up flip up in spots in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I guess BYU.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, yeah, He points out the BYU blowout loss I
love the way how byus blowout loss Bone caused them
to move down Last year when SMU lost to Clemson
on a last second field goal in the ACC title game,
they dropped two spots, stayed in the field, but dropped
two spots. But Alabama can get beat by three touchdowns,
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have their offense completely embarrassed by a Georgia defense that
gets better by the week. By the way, these guys
were they liability at the start of the season. They
are absolute dogs pun intended right now. But Alabama can
get completely embarrassed on offense, Bone, lose by three touchdowns
and not drop a damn spot go Like that's the
problem with the committee is the inconsistencies and the stuff
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like some people can't get past Miami moving up at
the last minute, Like it's just a lot of their
processes Bone just don't seem consistent and just make you
scratch ahead. None of it makes sense, which has been
the theme of college football my entire life. No matter
what the endgame is, whether it's the Ties of the
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eighties and the nineties or the way they did it
in the BCS, it never quite makes sense. And this
stuff is all time on that list. Of stuff that
didn't make sense. Mac, you'r a check urged the committee
to go back and watch Miami Notre Dame again, which
obviously they should, and Miami beat them. Did you urge
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the committee to go back and watch what Florida State
did to Alabama? Did you watch, by the way, Mac?
From October twenty fifth on? Here's what BAM was done.
Remember they barely beat South Carolina, right, they beat LSU
ugly twenty to nine. They lost to Oklahoma, they beat
Eastern Illinois, they barely beat Auburn, and they got smoke
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rolled by Georgia. What has Bama done besides have the
name Bama? What have they done since the middle October
that warrants them in over the over Notre Dame. But
the eye test is not gonna apply to Bama. The
test that you use to drop BYU does not apply
to Bama. And I will say this, Bama's got well.
They did have the best win of the season bone
entering the weekend that might now belong to Indiana. Yeah,
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and mister google me, I win I might because I'm
telling you that dude is a bad Mamma Jama. He's signetty.
I mean I've said it like for a while now.
He might be flat out the best coaching college football,
but you may have the biggest rocks in the sport.
When he got hired and he said the google me
a line, but he also said I'm here to win
a championship, and we all said ah. He got on
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the mis in front of the basketball game and said,
we're taking out Michigan, We're.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Taking out Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Roy. Yeah, right, he knows him now, he knows how
effing good he is. Some some people just know how
damn good they are, and I believe that man knows it.
Look what he's done Indiana. Urban Meyer the other night
called it the best coaching job he has ever seen
in college football.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I might have agree with it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What they've done in two years at Indiana, a playoff
and now the number one seed beat Ohio State over
the weekend to get help from the Ohio State kicker,
who clearly looked like a kicker bone that had not
had to kick a big field goal all season because
that was a shorty and he choked badly on that one,
but anyway, it was trying to hit the upright on
purpose as a trick shot before the game that yeah,
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he was amusing the crowd by hitting the uprights on
purpose for a video and then of course you know.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So was he trying to do that on his one
and just missed the upright?
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Wild Man? Wild?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So Indiana, Ohio, State, Georgia, Texas Tech. They get the buys,
they're the top four seeds. The big controversy is going
to be this Alabama, Notre Dame and Miami situation. I
can't sit here, Bone and freak out over Miami making it.
I mean, I'm happy the ACC has one in. I
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probably will spend some time making fun of Notre Dame
and Notre Dame fans today. All Right, I'm just not
that mature. I can't help myself, Bone, But you're talking
like that they're not going to go to a ball
game everyway, but that'll probably happen. It's I just I
don't know how badly.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You can complain, like Joey Galloway did about why did
you flip them so late? Why did you wait till
they weren't playing in the last weekend and then you
flip them the process you can complain about, But these
two teams that are so close in resume, like Miami
and Notre Dame are within like one or two spots
in strength the record, FPI, strength to schedule, game control
every one of them. They're within one or two spots.
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So then the team that won the game head to head.
I don't know how you could get that mad about it,
other than why did they wait till now to do it?
You know, I don't think it's the end result that's
the problem, because it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's how they got to that end result. It's the weird.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's the weird journey to get there, and how late
in the process it took from Miami to then pass
their name. So I think ultimately on that side of it,
I think the Miami not name debate, they probably ended
up getting it right in their own weird way. To me,
the Alabama part is the part that has me all shamboozl.
You wanted them out. I want Alabama out. They got
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three losses. We went through their resume. They've got a
bad loss to Florida State. They haven't necessarily what dominant,
as I just said, much of the season for Bama standards.
I feel like, and you could blame Notre Dame for
not being in the conference. I guess if you want to.
But I feel like, are you blame the accs Tigers
to name Bama and the SEC vaulted dead man?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And we said this on Friday, But.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What about the Notre Dame. Now you're saying the SEC thing.
I think it's what McElroy said yesterday and what we
said all along. They don't want to take a team
out of the playoff for what they do in the
conference championships because if not, no one will want to
go to the conference champion. You may they may feel
beholden to that, but again, are you there to put
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because I tend to agree with you. We'll get into
it more and more at seven o'clock. I tend to
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I believe on a neutral site Notre Dame in Miami,
we both beat Alabama and Oklahoma. I don't know how
Oklahoma hasn't got scrutinized more in this whole process.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That was my next one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
We said, the Dame beat Alabama, so or Oklahoma beat Alabama.
So I think they felt like we got to have
Oklahoma up here. If we're gonna have Alabama here. Oklahoma
got in no questions asked, and they're hosting a playoff
game like it was nothing. And I look at them,
as where are they in comparison to Bama, Miami, Notre Dame.
Are we sure Oklahoma is all that good? That is
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the exactly we talked about it on Friday, and that
was in my head all weekend of Oklahoma's chilling, no stress,
and I don't know how good they are and they
get to play each I've been saying that for I
think a couple of weeks now. I just I don't
know why we hadn't been talking about Oklahoma. Get ready
for thirteen to ten of Oklahoma Obama because they they
of course they draw each other, you know, But anyway
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we do, let's talk a little bit about the conference
title games, cause again at seven o'clock, I'm gonna crank
it up and get going.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I would have liked to see them put Bam out
because I said last week, Bone, you can't move them
out for what they do in a conference title game
unless they lose by I said three touchdowns or more,
and they lost by three damn touchdowns. So I think
that's a conversation we got to have. I also would
like to see Notre Dame act in a more professional manner.
I thought that the way they acted as a university
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led by their ad yesterday, I thought it was disgusting.
I thought it was pathetic and whining for an entity
that holds itself into the highest regard.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
We don't need a conference. We have our own network.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Seriously, you act like you're better than everybody else, but
you didn't act like you were better than anybody yesterday.
So I want to get into that in a little bit.
But let's talk a little bit bone about the games
this weekend, because they're going to get lost. And I
can tell Bone Duke fans they want to be hugged today. Now,
most of you want to be hugged for basketball because
you beat Michigan State and you've beat so many good
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teams in so many tough games for such a young
team that it's freaking amazing. But the football team, Bone,
they did go out there and win the damn game.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
So how do you feel?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Are you like happy for Duke or do you find
yourself looking at this Duke season like what might have
been because.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We were so inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, I'm happy as I said when when the show began,
they have a lot of notable wins for themselves. They
won all the games in the state, they beat Clemson,
they won the ACC. You can look at the non
conference as you know, the Yukon game is one that
got away from them, but they could have that one.
You know, Tuwayana and Illinois, we knew kind of going
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into the season, those would be tougher. That one's the
one that Georgia Tech. They were, they were in that
game for most of it. There's something that got away.
But I think eighteen wins potentially for Manny Diaz in
his first two years, if they go and win the
bowl game geinst Arizona State, eighteen wins in his first
two years with a lot of changeover. I'm happy with that.
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And now we see, you know, Mensa next year coming
back and then a ball day Shepherd as a freshman.
We'll see because he's one of those guys you look
at and say, oh, man, he might be one of
the better running backs in the country. Hopefully they can
secure him to come back. You never know in this
day and age. But when you've got Mensa, when you've
got Nate Sheppard, they've done a good job. By the way,
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in the portal, Cooper Barkate did a nice job. They
did a great job last year and stabilizing their roster.
They did some nice moves this year. And I will
say this many Diaz did a class thing this weekend.
In one of his media sessions, he thanked David Cutcliffe
and Mike Elko for them for setting the stage for
what he could do at Duke. So you don't often
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have the coach refer to the recent coach that was
there that laughed in the way that he did, But
many Das, I think he's.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Been all class there as a dude coach so far.
I'm excited. That was a good one. That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, someone had to win the conference, so I'm
not going to sit here and I didn't that meant something.
If you're a Virginia fan, you got to be devastated.
You had it on your racket. But as you said,
Friday Bone, what would be the most acc chaos that's
the result that happens, And you were right.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
How did I not figure that out?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Duke's defense, by the way, pretty damn good effort from
Duke's defense, holding them only twenty points. It returnovers involved
Chandler Morris ended the game with a pick, had a
miscommunication pick that led to a Duke field goal where
they went up ten. Virginia did not play their best either.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I know Virginia fans got to be sick because not
only did they not go, then they got to watch
in State JA a little old JM you go as well.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I'll just say this now, Virginia's got to take on
the fighting Willie Pas.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You talk, you think got Missouri and the bowl game.
You talk about Bony Duke's non conference as many Diaz
sat there this weekend and tried to say they should
be in over James Madison. There's one game on the
Duke schedule that really hurts any comparisons. First of all,
five losses hurts their comparison. But when you're trying to
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compare yourself to group of five teams and you lost
to Tulane, who's one of the two group of five
teams in and honestly, I don't know what the score
ended up, but you were like second best the whole
way through. They rallied, but still you were second best
the whole way through. Like it was a yawner because
you were down so much, in part because of your
mistakes in the first half, but you couldn't stop. They
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ran all over Duke. That that doesn't help your cause.
But if they weren't getting in with five losses anyway,
enjoy Enjoy it to way and you've got revenge week
one next year when you got to go to Wally Wade's.
You get enjoy your littill playoff. You'll playoff running. I
want a Duke JMU game bone, Let's do it Duke
versus the Duke's. Let's get a grudge match going. Although
JMU fans Duke ATE's JMU. Now JMU fans love Duke.
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How about the fact that the star running back for
JMU participated in the storming of the quad on with
the Students on Saturday Night with Duke beat Virginia Duke
Wood Duke would Duke would handle JMU? I'm confident in
and what team shows up from Duke? Though jmu's got
one game against the ACC this year, they got beat
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by fourteen to Louisville. What do you think is better
right now now? Duke or Wouisville. Like JMU would not
They would not beat that Louisville team was healthier back then.
I will say that I listen, I'd probably pick Duke,
But I don't know. I don't know if if if
five loss bone can get all freaking feisty about what
you would do to JMU, because if the team that
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can't like complete the process of a kickbone shows up,
you know what I'm saying, Like y'all had some stinkers
this year.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's the thing. You were so inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
If JMU played Duke's schedule, how many losses would they
actually have? But if Duke played JMU schedule, what would
they have? I don't think JM you would have more
losses than Duke. Really, I think that's a pretty good football.
You take JMU. If they played they would they would
beat Illinois? No, okay, you think they would beat you?
Would they Wayne? They would have beat you. JMU went
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at to Wayne, they would have beat you. Khon would
they beat Clemson? I just gave you a game they
would have won. I just gave you a game they
would have won. But jmu' is not some juggernaut, some
group of five juggernaut here, neither are you aren't some
juggernaut either, dude can take your title. How could I
not be any more settled down? We're having a conversation
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as comments can be. I'm simply telling you, head to head,
Duke would beat Jmu.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Like, how how was that hard to figure out? You
know you look com Bone, Duke would be Jmu.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Like.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's like, I don't understand what I think it's I
would pick Duke, but I don't think. I think you're
getting a little full of yourself here. I think you're
forgetting how bad Duke was capable of being this year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like that, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I did not expect full of himself Duke Bone today basketball,
because I think Duke could be JMU and full myself.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like, I'm lost on that one. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think you could beat him, but I think you
could lose to him too. I don't think they would again,
do you think Jmu or Yu Coon's better? Obviously that's
a bad loss for for Duke, But right now, the
way they're playing, I think Duke would be only.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Ain't that damn good either? Bone the bloom. The bloom
came off that rose long ago. Sorry, I didn't mean.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I didn't mean to get excited about something on the
radio show that Duke won a champions You can get
excited all you and I can tell you right back,
this Duke football team ain't worth bowing up over.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right down.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But for basketball, you write down a list of things
I can be excited about, right basketball? Put that on
your list over there. You and I disagree, that's it.
I just I don't know. I think you get a
little too hoity toity for winning this thing, because I'm hoity.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Toys shouldn't even been there.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Miami should have been down time breakers, straight down. I'm
hoity toity because I think Duke is better than JMU.
Think about what you're saying, that act condescending towards JMU.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I don't know. Feel's rich.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, my my fault. All the JMU fans listening feels rich.
Get them, Get them Duke's fans, not Duke fans. Dukes fans.
Been a long week.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's when we got Wednesday Bone, looking to Wednesday night.
Look forward to that when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Sounds of the Weekend, Hubert Davis reacts to the Big
un See when Tom Izzo's a bit ticked off after
the Duke and Greg Sankie has just an outright up
third idea about how many teams dancyc should have in
sports radio WFNZ.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I believe we're growing, We're we're we're getting better at it.
It's not a finished product. I feel like we've got
a long way to go. But you know, one of
the things that I consistently talk to them about is
how do you react and how do you respond? And
so with the physicality, how are we going to respond
in a way that we did specifically in the second half,
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to hold them to just ten points in a paint,
zero fast break points, I thought was huge. And so
you know again, I thought our defense in the second
half versus a really good Georgetown team and how it
rebounded them as well. So really happy about that.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
That is Hubert Davis talking about the second half physical
they played defense, holding Georgetown to twenty two percent shooting.
You heard them there say, ten points in a paint
one three in the in the second half. Strong second
half from Carolina. I love the defensive potential. I love
like you're talking about Bone, their duo inside. I'm sure Bone.
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We will get a text James Tromp Maiden angry that
we have played this clip from Hubert Davis. But I
just want to give Carolina some credit. I thought that
second half was a pretty damn good performance from those
boys last night.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, they did what they had to do.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That's a performance last year where they couldn't put teams away.
It felt like a lot of their games ended up
a lot closer than they should have been in the
first half. Kind of played that a little bit with
the second half. They shut the door. And that's what
they've done. The teams they should beat, They've they've taken
care of business and really slammed the door on them
this year, as opposed to last year they let teams
hang around. Performances were questionable even in wins. This year,
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they're leaving no doubt about these wins at the end
of the game. And Derek Dixon, you can see him
growing in confidence. What a shooter he is. How good's
he going to be at the end of the season,
you know. So I just I think this team's potential
when it gets to tremble back. Evans was better made
some plays. I still do wonder will Dixon be taking
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his minutes more. They played him together a bit in
the second half, yesterday. I kind of like that would
tremble out. But I do want to talk about duke
basketball Bone because I don't think you and I will
be arguing about this unless you want me to not
be so bullish on duke basketball. We have to have
a serious conversation about whether this team is better than
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last year's team. And I can't believe I'm saying this.
With all the talent that last year's team had, Bone,
this duke team impresses the hell out of me. You
would think with the young guys they have, you would
think that they would slip up in one of these
type games on the road against a real good Michigan
State team.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I was so impressed with that win. That was awesome.
It wouldn't have been a bad.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Thing if you would have told me they had a
couple of losses already this year because of the games
that they played, and they've ran through them all so
for They've got Texas Tech coming up next down the line,
and then Michigan in February. In terms of the non
conference they've they've matty. I was okay with a couple
of losses. The way they played the schedule to win
at the Breslin Center against a really good Michigan State
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team that impressed me. Caleb Foster, to me, has done
a pretty job of playing his role, and I think
that's the best thing about this team right now.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
They're playing like the definition of a team. It's not.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, there's some talented dudes like Dame Sarr who's not
doing a whole lot at the moment, but he'll be
a first round pick. Evans, we'll see. But Matt, this
isn't one of these do classes in the teams where
it's like three of the first five picks maybe no players.
That's impresident Boozer and everyone else right now so far
has figured out what their role is and they do
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what'sever needed. So this isn't This is a team. This
is not a collection of parts. This is a team
ed by Boozer. But Gunba plays his roll well, Evans
hits the big shots, Foster plays is.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Roll well, and on and on.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
They all know who they are, and I can't always
say that for dou because they try to figure out
sometimes the level of stars who gets the shot. We
know who the man is and everyone else surrounds them.
I think it's a very, very good team. How about
the first half when Boozer only has two points, they're
having trouble getting to him, and Jmeniez says, I'll hit
three trays in the first half.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yep. And I like what he did.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He's now in that starting lineup, Kasar struggling a menu
making hustle plays out there too.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I like what you said about Foster.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Reminded me of the Arkansas game where he made key
plays late and Foster jmenu are the definition of that
because sometimes look at the box score and it may
not be something that's outlandish, but they they do what's
needed to get done, and the Boozer of that actually
will carry them to the finish. My god, Boozer in
that second half was a man though. That's the thing.
If he struggles in one half, you know what's coming
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in the second half.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
You know it's coming. Man.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I something about Boozer and he had sixteen the second
half ended with eighteen fifteen and six assists. What a
passer he is, I mean, what a passer. All these
like talented four men are in the triangle. Yeah, you
know what I mean, Boozer, Caleb Wilson and Darien Wooman.
I haven't even unlocked his his full outlet passes yet.
That's like his best passing. We saw a little bit
of it, but it didn't really lead to that oh
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yet either. There's another level there. I'm gonna tell you
right now. I love watching Boozer rebound. There's not many people,
I say, man, I like watching him rebound the way
he carves out space.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Goes up stripe and points owns the ball. Ye Like
you know, there is nobody.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
He's going up two hands high point like a wide receiver,
and nobody ain't getting a hand on that rebound like
I just there's something to be said for that. All right,
Let's get Gumba's also taking it up another level this
year as well, especially defensively. That's the thing about it,
Maggot's not just Boozer. When you are the number one
defensive efficiency team in the country, there's a lot of
dudes that are defending. Like we'll get Foster's defense. You
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don't see a lot of guards team team defense. The
switch to the zone was also huged by Shiros. That's
a great call. How about Brewiser got four fouls and
how about this Iso was mad after the game. That's
got to count for something.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
And those of you that come once in a while
and actually watch it practice instead of just sit up
there and be on Twitter, we work on it a lot,
and every game day or the night before in this case,
we spend last night practice ended. My staff said we
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forgot free throw cutouts because I usually do them day
of again, so we stopped and we did it and
talked about it. And that's unexcusable. I don't I don't
care if parents are mad at me. I don't care
if media is mad at me. I don't care. My
wife's mad at me, and I don't. The worst part
is I'm mad at me because I didn't get that
done and it cost us, and you know, give them credit,
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though I sound like I'm not giving him credit. I'm
a job John's done. I'm in of of. You know,
most of people don't want to follow legend. He followed
a nikon and uh, and he's done a hell of
a job.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
So there you go. He did work it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because I was, as I'm hearing that clip, I'm like, bro,
this ain't just about your team, right, yeah, it's like
and the free throw cut like this is also about Duke.
And then eventually he got to it, which was cool,
Which was cool of him, but I wasn't sure, A
little saudy I like that. Yeah, he was like, I
got a good team. No, he's got a good team.
He was really I thought he may take that loss
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in stride that a good team came in in one.
He seemed like that loss hit him for that loss
really hit him hard the other day. Yeah, he wouldn't
think that a non conference wall so without good they've been,
wouldn't have hit his oh that hard. But he seemed to.
He seemed to take that one personally. He wanted that
one man, but he didn't get it. Duke's got him
all so far this year. What a damn starting eye
out to the season.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Mat.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Can I give you a real quick stat on John
Shire that I saw the other day, Want to make
sure that it's on my phone.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Here.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
This is an amazing stat. John Shire is three and
a half years in right, and here is the list
of coaches it's screwing up here, hold on, I got
it right. Here here's the coaches back that John Shire's
beaten in three and a half years. Tom Izzo twice,
Tommy Lloyd twice, Sean Miller twice, Pat Kelsey twice, Brad
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Underwood by forty five, Bruce Pearl, Todd Golden, cal Natos,
Kelvin Sampson, and Bill soalthe and a half years. Those
are the coaching wins for John Jyres, who could have
followed up a legend better. This has been remarkable, absolutely remarkable,
the way they followed up a legend.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Due to time constraints, we will have to wait until
we come back from the break to laugh at Greg Sankey.
We will do that when we come back here, all right,
So let's do this bone. Greg Sankey with a straight
face this weekend said the SEC deserves how many playoff teams?
We'll talk about it. Did they even deserve the four
they got? Does Notre Dame? Is Notre Dame right to
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be big mad about Miami flipping them. We'll talk about
it all. Playoff chaos anger, we'll talk about it next
When come on sty oh is you guys are the
most entertaining sports program in the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Bone Gobin, no, no, stop talking. You and I are
a couple eating a lady in the tramp. You're the
lady on the tram.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, come on, come on, baby, I was Boopy Boopy
MacLean man. That's a great name. All the buck. We're ready, baby,
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We're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We have so much to talk about on this Monday
morning on the Mac and Bone Show.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Did the Panthers win the bye week? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I believe we might have done that thanks to the
New Orleans Saints beating the Tampa Bay Bucks back in
tie for first place. As we get ready for the
stretch run of four games, some actual December intrigue and
drama and maybe fun with the Carolina Panthers, you know,
we got to talk about that today.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Good news is the Bucks lost.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Bad news is anybody think the Saints look kind of
feisty going into the.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Next week's game. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I couldn't help that thought too. As I was watching.
We got all kinds of college football playoff reaction. We've
got ourselves, you know, Notre Dame out Miami in We've
got Bama in there, of course we do. We've got
ourselves two group of five teams, and I mean, how
fast will those rules change? By the way, now that
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we have two group of five teams that are sixteen
and a half point underdogs and twenty one point underdogs,
I believe in their respective games. So we get a
lot to talk about. Up and down weekend for the Hornets,
Big hoops wins for Carolina last night against Georgetown. Duke
manohil Man is duke basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
By the way, the Duke football team on the ACC.
This duke basketball team Man has won some tough, tough games.
They beat Michigan State and give credit to Wake Forest too.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Nice win in Charleston, West Virginia against the West Virginia Mountain.
There's a hostile, a hostile West Virginia crowd. We will
talk about that. NC State. You will get no no
plaudits whatsoever for that sleepy ass effort against unc Asheville. Anyway,
let's do it. Baby, Fiddy's in the house. The Bone Man,
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you know, is in the house as well. What's up, Bony,
how do you feeling? Congrats on be a ACC champs?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Bone?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I'm sorry to Golden Bone. I'm sorry, it's you know,
you got to take the good with the bad. Here
in twenty twenty five fifty, I was getting myself adjusted
here for the show, getting my head set on, ready
to listen to how Mac presented the show. I missed
the open where you played the salute to champions, the
montage of the Duke football tell region. Will you please
(03:00):
replay that for me here? I didn't hear you do that.
It was just kind of like the show started. There
was no outlandish celebration. Could you please replay that for
us Dukie filth It's amazing how that happened. Mac Right,
no song, no celebration, one of the biggest nights in
the history of football in the Carolinas, and we got
nothing to return on this. I got an honest question
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for Duke fans. You care more about beating Michigan State
and basketball or winning the ACC time I care about.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I care about all that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Guess what, thirty four dollars and ninety nine cents my
ACC championship tea shirt will arrived.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
The Oh my god, you gonna wear that with a
straight face? Absolutely darn right, I am.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Was a dramatic game It was a dramatic game for
those Duke Blue Devils.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We talked about.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I know that the non conference for Duke didn't go well,
but you look at what they did in the state.
They beat Clemson, they won the ACC. So like all
the games of note that we talk about here, they
they took care of it. If they could have actually
done something in the non conference, they might be in
this state now, that would have been nice. Cordia still
thinks they should be in. They did a great job
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against the rivals this year. They did a great job winning.
So you're not gonna You will not do the thing
you do today. You will not remove joy from my body.
You will not dance and celebrate Duke not getting in today.
You will not I'm not celebrating. We are champions and
you can't take that away. I will not sell I
will not sell it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm happy Duke one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's just it's it's just it's not your normal ACC
football championship. But there's a lot that's not normal about
the college football playoff. If you see any dancing over
anybody's tears today, oh it's going to be me on
Notre Dame. I'll tell you that, right now. And I
hope my mom's not listening because she's a Notre Dame fan.
She'll be very upset with me. But that must happen today.
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It must happen.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We'll talk about it a bunch, obviously. It's the story.
The fact that Miami jumps Notre Dame. I thought bone
we talked last week, talked about Friday. I thought they
might have been setting this up. And that's and it's
very sad with the committee that you've got to sit
there and you got to figure out what they're setting
up or whatever. It's very sad the way this whole
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thing works. The process is flawed. But we will talk
about it, and I will say this, this is this
is ain't an easy decision. I personal. I'm just we'll
save it. We'll say we got all this time to
talk about it. But but that ain't an easy decision.
That Miami Notre Dame Alabama decision was. That was a
tough one man. That was tough on the resumes and
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the brands also right because they all have their value
to the playoff that goes so far beyond just the resumes.
It's Miami, it's Notre Dame. It's Bama. So that was
a very tough one. As Sean McDonough said a couple
of times on the broadcast last year was South Carolina, Ole,
Miss and Bama. But that was a little bit easier
to try to figure out. They all had three long
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they all had three longs. This one was much tougher
anyway you went on this one. Someone's upset it. Alabama
had three losses, but Saturdays didn't count. Saturdays didn't happen, apparently, Bone,
according to a lot of people. And I understand, I understand.
If you set the precedent of knocking a team out
that played in a conference title game, we can basically
wagh by by the conference title games. To that, I asked,
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because at the end of the world, but we've we've
got the whole show Bone to tear into all these things.
I mean, I gotta be honest with you, enjoy watching
two group of five teams because you may not.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You ain't gonna watch too many of them moving forward.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I have a feeling, I have a feeling the rules
are gonna be changed because that's Saturday, Bone, that's Saturday
of the first weekend of the playoff. Aren't they trying
to compete with NFL YEA three point thirty is Mississippi Tulane.
I watched a good bit of that game. It was
already played and Mississippi won by thirty five points. So
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you have that, and then you lead into the seven
to thirty night game on the big first Saturday College
Wall playoff. It's JMU at Autin Stadium against Oregon. Yes, yes, many,
and could not you know they subble these two of
the games to to Turner to TNT that they could
not wait to get those two over the tn T. Also,
they're like, you can go, we know what's due, you're getting.
(07:11):
You're getting these two. And for all the people that
are celebrating and stumping for JMU, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
They got in.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You better not complain on that Saturday night when it's
twenty eight to three in the first half and the
game's unwatchable because you are you claiming that Duke would
go into aunts and bone and put it on it,
put it on a ducky sad they would do better
than JMU will do against R.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm notcause what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
People are gonna say, very well, might although I've got
a conference Duke people are gonna tout JMU and then
complain when the games unwatchable. That's what they're gonna do.
But I don't think Duke's the answer to the question.
I think he answer the question is finding a way
to get noted day. That's that's you know what I mean?
Obviously that's more of a feasible question. Well, j JMU
is going to be complained about incessantly by people because
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are gonna getrun out of the out of the stage. Heay.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
One thing we can agree on.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
One thing we can agree on bone is we love
the fact that Panthers are in first place. I watch
that whole Buck Saints game yesterday. I might as well
be an honorary a Bear family member. At this point
I had everything but the Cajun accent bone. I was
screaming who'd at in the house as well? And the
Saints got it done five times they stopped on fourth down.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Holy crap.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Imagine what we would say about Dave Canalis today if
they got stopped five times on fourth down.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Baker Mayfield bone.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm guessing the injuries playing a huge role, but he
and their passing game looks so far off of it.
And I know it was rainy and stuff like that,
but it just that passing game does not look the part,
and Buka had only two catches fifteen yards and dropped
a what could have been a game winning touchdown pass
man That was glorious to watch on a by Sunday
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for as a Panther fan. Yeah, I lost a parlay yesterday.
The only game I lost all day was that one.
I thought I was pretty safe when I made that pick.
Glad I'm wrong, but I thought I was pretty safe
in that one. And you kept waiting all day for
the Buccaneers to open it up a little bit. But
that's sort of been their story in the last handful
of games. This is not the team that started the
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year where we had Baker Mack near the top of
the MVP discussions. The offense was rolling along. Sometimes when
you lose it, whether it be due to injuries, performance,
whatever it may be, you can look at the schedule
and say, yeah, they're the Buccaneers have the easier path
than the Panthers, but it's hard when you start to
lose it to get it back going, sometimes even against
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the lesser teams. And you saw that yesterday for the Buccaneers.
They just they have not been able to figure it
out and get that thing back on track that we
saw the first handful of games of the season. This
is just this is yeah, this is not the Bucks
at their best, and that encourages the living crap out
of me as a Panther fan. Like and I've said that,
I said it last week. If we were going against the
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Bucks at their best, we ain't win in the division, right,
the best they've had in the last couple of years.
Because of injuries, this is certainly not their best. They
lose Ben Bredison in the middle of this game, their
left guard. They now have the whole left side of
their offensive line out because Tristan Wurf's is still out.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Mike Evans will come back bone, but does he come
back this week?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Does he knock the rust offer?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is he trying to knock the rust off in Game
one against the Panthers.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's on, man, It's.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
On, like damn Donkey Kong, and I cannot wait. Now
I will say this and we'll talk about this too.
I'm sure after watching the Saints and watching Tyler shuck
this dude's a damn gamer.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
This dude's a gamer. This dude makes plays with his legs.
They ran the football. I'm going to spend I'm gonna
spend a week nervous bone about the Saints. We've seen
him do it to us one time that as I
was watching the game, I couldn't escape that feeling though, like,
I don't know, it doesn't look like he's going be
easy next week. I mean, they've beaten the Panthers here,
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and they beat Tampa and Tampa, so they definitely when
they're when they're okay, they can compete with these teams.
They've shown that they can also be terrible, and hopefully
on Sunday we get the terrible version of New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Mack.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You look at the Buccaneers overall stats right now, and
they are the definition of average to below average in
so many categories. Right now, Tampa's offense is eighteenth in
points per game. They are twenty third in points per
game allowed on the season. Their passing offense right now
is ranked in pass yards per game twenty an. So
think about where they were numbers wise and where they
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are now. They have really fallen off in almost every
major category. Don't get me wrong, we're in the same
neighborhood in a lot of these categories. But the point
is they come back to the now. Yes, they're back
like and that goes to my point. This is not
the Bucks at their best. We are getting better, but
can we be consistent? So anyway, this could be a
fun week of panther talk after what the Saints did
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to the Bucks yesterday. Do want to mention the hoops
games yesterday. Love that second half performance out of the
tar Heels last night, Bony, This team has some real
defensive potential, absolutely, and I can't wait till Seth Tremble
gets back to watch his team play defense.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We saw what they did in the second half defensively
to Kentucky, although I don't know, maybe that win looks
worse now after what katag It did do about Friday night,
But we saw what they did defensively in the second
half there at Rup and then last night Bone they
hold Georgetown the twenty two percent shooting and one of
fourteen threes in the second half, and there's a reason why.
Good luck scoring in the paint with that giant with
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giant ass Henry in there. Man, And I still don't
know how to say his last name every broadcast, there's
a different way of pronouncing his best vestr right FIDDI.
Someone told me Vassar and I was saying vsar. Yeah,
I get three different one I gos, I go Visaar.
There's a fourth one, Besser. I call him Big Hank
sometimes grown ass man. What a four is Henry Hoggard
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because he does resemble a Hoggard family member.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I can't force I can't unsee that.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
By the way, when when his head starts shaking, it's
like when Colin starts getting reded up with what you
will be from ten to twelve today. It is just
and it's the greatest comparison you've ever come up with
in your life.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
We know, we know that Caleb Williams is a dog.
He's an NBA twis excuse me, Yes, Caleb Wilson is
a dog. We know his talent level and he is
one of the best players in America. But Big Hank
in the middle has been equally I think as important
for him and that duo.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What a tandem.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They didn't really start out necessarily yesterday as great as
they normally do. And look what they both finished with
yesterday combined they have, as my screen messes up here.
They finished yesterday with a combined let's see, he's.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thirty six and twenty five or thirty six and twenty six.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, thirty six and twenty five. And they didn't start
out necessarily as dominant the second half. What's a complete takeover.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
By the Biggs.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What a what a tandem they are on the glass
in the paint. You throw it in him again, I
keep saying most all season, this is Carolina basketball. This
is Carolina basketball. Two giant dudes throw it into him,
hit the boards. But their defensive potential is very high
in my opinion, as a team, they're already twenty spots
higher in defense efficiency and offensi efficiency. But like, good
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luck scoring over Henry inside. Man, that dude affects. I mean,
you only had one block, I think, but that dude
affected so many attempts to score.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
In the paint. Man, watch it. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And they're different players, but they both play with an
attitude and energy Big Hank. Big Hank's always out there
talking and there's an energy that goes with him as well.
Caleb Wilson is that way too, But man, the energy
level those two bigs bring is really something else. And
the shooting Dixon, Dixon's confident. Y'all shot the hell out
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of the ball. And if Bogovots and Dixon can shoot
at Caroline is only two hundred and thirty fourth in
a country in three point percentage. If those two cats
specifically can shoot it bone, that's going to improve those
numb then it's going to be a pick. You're poison.
Do we double inside or do we stay out on
the shooter. So anyway, I like this Carolina team potential
and Seth Tremble's probably a couple weeks away from coming back.
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The Hornets last night were in action against Denver. LaMelo Ball,
we got a new injury bone. We got a new
LaMelo Ball injury didn't play. I guess they're calling it
a bone bruise. And the ankle happened on that weird
play where he kind of slipped, looked like he kind
of turned the ankle a little bit. Against Toronto. The
Toronto win was amazing in that they went on a
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huge run after LaMelo left the game. I found that
pretty damn intriguing. Last morning. Five point road win for
the Hornets against a good team is highly notable two
in a row against Toronto. Now, so the way they
played without LaMelo, they went, They outscored him by nineteen
points after LaMelo left the game.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, it was eye opening performance.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm guessing that
the Brass is watching how they play without LaMelo ball.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I believe they. I believe they definitely are now.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Last night, Bone, they hung in for a while, but
it wasn't to be. The Murray and Jokic show was absurd.
Murray could not miss. I thought Murray was going for
a full James Harden on this Bone to wait. The
first half went. I get twenty seven in the first half,
but then Jokic said, I'll take us home, hitting big
shot after big shot, including a bank three that led
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to Eric Collins screaming maybe louder than he ever has
for a basket made by the opposition. Holy startled me, boned,
I got a little startled him to catch. I think
the dogs got startled too.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Hey did that Barbers dout? I mean the second it
went in Bone, they tried do tell.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That was at that Joe never changed, baby, Yeah, I
didn't never change. They caught me off guard too. I
didn't know what I thought. I missed something, and I
was like, Oh, he's excited over the bank shot. He's
very fired up that he thinks Jokic tried to bank
it from the three point line straight away. They they
fought relatively hard last night. It was Murray in the
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first half. Jokich didn't have that many in the first half,
and the second half it was it was the Jokic show.
So Murray had the first half, Jokich the second half.
At one point, the Hornets got up by six and
then you looked up and all of a sudden they
were down because they gave up a thirteen oh run
and that was pretty much the ballgame. After they got
up by six, I think Denver went on a eighteen
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to six run or a twenty to six run, whatever
the numbers were, and after it was sixty six sixty
the Nuggets completely took over the game. Thirteen oh run
right after that because they made it seventy three to
sixty six. Hey, listen, that's not a bad weekend at all.
And again, the way they played with that LaMelo to
me was very interesting. Now that I have some time off,
because it was Friday, Sunday this weekend, and then because
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of the NBA coup, it's Friday Sunday.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
The next two games.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They don't play again until Friday, and then it's Thursday,
so they'd have Friday Sunday, Friday, Sunday, Thursday. So this
is a good time to hopefully get some of these
guys healthy. They were still missing a tongue last night,
not only Mellow, but You've got You've also got you know,
Sexton's hurts, and that hurts because you was out.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Man is out.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The other two guys are still out from Thirdery. So
they were missing Mac five or six rotation guy. Man,
they're missing five or six rotation guys. They are they are.
Dare I say that stem might be standard for this team,
though I barely beat an eyelash anymore. But yeah, like you,
you're missing your top two point guards and you're missing
a guy and Trey Man that can do that. kJ
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Simpson had himself a damn first half, though, I give
him that. How about kJ Simpson and Liam mcnely twenty
five combined points in the first half. How about freaking
T John's game on Friday Night? How about his second
half on Friday Night where he ends up scoring twenty one.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Dare I say it?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
T Jon Salon looks like the stint down in Greensboro
actually helped it, does Yeah? Like he looks like a
different player. He found He's found a little control for himself.
He's not as out of control. He still has his
moments where it's like a deer with the basketball, but
he's still What's like, he's starting to get it a
little bit. By the way, Mag Duke fans right now,
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they're looking for you, right now, mag James Remain's threatening
bill defication right now on you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So this is the problem. What did I do?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What do they feel like you've glossed over the Michigan
State win rather quickly? I just said, I was on
here touting it, and I said, what do Duke fans
care more about the basketball or the football wins this week?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Come on your side, man. But what James threatens that
I would look out.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh my god's amazing. Win this two teams up, James Remaine,
you're gonna mess around and watch me pick them to
win a damn national title?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You fool? How about you just tread lightly, no defication,
No tread lightly. Seriously extremely impressive.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I thought they're here at Shame on me, Fitty for
thinking they cared about me downplaying the RACC football time.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
They don't give two craps. I worried about Bones.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
So you're you're free during the week this week, No Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
hornets stuff, You're free.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
No busy? Okay. I was gonna vite you to go
see Christmas lights with me. What day? What happened and
you lost your partner in that endeavor?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh no, I mean it's just just me and you
just driving around looking at lights.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I figured we could bring Mabel, get some hot chocolate,
kind of puts the Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Music, you know, Wednesday works. That took a twist. That
was supposed to be a date night for Fiddy. Now,
by the way, if it's just a say we do
this off the year next time, Fanny, So yeah, can
we bring can we.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Bring pouch in the battle? Pouches a given man? All right?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
When we come back here on the Mac and Bone Show,
we react to the college football bracket reveal and the
conference title games, and yes, the full celebration begins for
your ACC football champion. Sports Radio seven Douz.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Moving that was we felt like the way BYU performed
in their championship game, a second loss to Texas Tech
in a similar fashion was worthy of Miami moving ahead
of them in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And once we moved.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Miami ahead of BYU, then we had that side by
side comparison that everybody had been hungering for with Notre
Dame in Miami. And you look at those two teams
on paper, and they were almost equal in their schedule, strength,
their common opponents, the results against their common opponents. But
the one metric we had to fall back on again
was the head to head. I charged the committee members
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to go back and watch that game again, the Miami
Notre Dame game, because it was so far back, and
we got some interesting debate from our coaches on what
that game looked like as we watched it. And with
that in mind, we gave Miami the nod over Notre
Dame into that ten spot.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
There you go, Hunter, you're a check explaining why the
heck without playing this weekend, Miami and Notre Dame ended
up flip up in spots in the rankings.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I guess BYU.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, yeah, He points out the BYU blowout loss I
love the way how byus blowout loss Bone caused them
to move down Last year when SMU lost to Clemson
on a last second field goal in the ACC title game,
they dropped two spots, stayed in the field, but dropped
two spots. But Alabama can get beat by three touchdowns,
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have their offense completely embarrassed by a Georgia defense that
gets better by the week. By the way, these guys
were they liability at the start of the season. They
are absolute dogs pun intended right now. But Alabama can
get completely embarrassed on offense, Bone, lose by three touchdowns
and not drop a damn spot go Like that's the
problem with the committee is the inconsistencies and the stuff
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like some people can't get past Miami moving up at
the last minute, Like it's just a lot of their
processes Bone just don't seem consistent and just make you
scratch ahead. None of it makes sense, which has been
the theme of college football my entire life. No matter
what the endgame is, whether it's the Ties of the
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eighties and the nineties or the way they did it
in the BCS, it never quite makes sense. And this
stuff is all time on that list. Of stuff that
didn't make sense. Mac, you'r a check urged the committee
to go back and watch Miami Notre Dame again, which
obviously they should, and Miami beat them. Did you urge
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the committee to go back and watch what Florida State
did to Alabama? Did you watch, by the way, Mac?
From October twenty fifth on? Here's what BAM was done.
Remember they barely beat South Carolina, right, they beat LSU
ugly twenty to nine. They lost to Oklahoma, they beat
Eastern Illinois, they barely beat Auburn, and they got smoke
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rolled by Georgia. What has Bama done besides have the
name Bama? What have they done since the middle October
that warrants them in over the over Notre Dame. But
the eye test is not gonna apply to Bama. The
test that you use to drop BYU does not apply
to Bama. And I will say this, Bama's got well.
They did have the best win of the season bone
entering the weekend that might now belong to Indiana. Yeah,
(24:16):
and mister google me, I win I might because I'm
telling you that dude is a bad Mamma Jama. He's signetty.
I mean I've said it like for a while now.
He might be flat out the best coaching college football,
but you may have the biggest rocks in the sport.
When he got hired and he said the google me
a line, but he also said I'm here to win
a championship, and we all said ah. He got on
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the mis in front of the basketball game and said,
we're taking out Michigan, We're.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Taking out Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Roy. Yeah, right, he knows him now, he knows how
effing good he is. Some some people just know how
damn good they are, and I believe that man knows it.
Look what he's done Indiana. Urban Meyer the other night
called it the best coaching job he has ever seen
in college football.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I might have agree with it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What they've done in two years at Indiana, a playoff
and now the number one seed beat Ohio State over
the weekend to get help from the Ohio State kicker,
who clearly looked like a kicker bone that had not
had to kick a big field goal all season because
that was a shorty and he choked badly on that one,
but anyway, it was trying to hit the upright on
purpose as a trick shot before the game that yeah,
(25:22):
he was amusing the crowd by hitting the uprights on
purpose for a video and then of course you know.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So was he trying to do that on his one
and just missed the upright?
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Wild Man? Wild?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So Indiana, Ohio, State, Georgia, Texas Tech. They get the buys,
they're the top four seeds. The big controversy is going
to be this Alabama, Notre Dame and Miami situation. I
can't sit here, Bone and freak out over Miami making it.
I mean, I'm happy the ACC has one in. I
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probably will spend some time making fun of Notre Dame
and Notre Dame fans today. All Right, I'm just not
that mature. I can't help myself, Bone, But you're talking
like that they're not going to go to a ball
game everyway, but that'll probably happen. It's I just I
don't know how badly.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You can complain, like Joey Galloway did about why did
you flip them so late? Why did you wait till
they weren't playing in the last weekend and then you
flip them the process you can complain about, But these
two teams that are so close in resume, like Miami
and Notre Dame are within like one or two spots
in strength the record, FPI, strength to schedule, game control
every one of them. They're within one or two spots.
(26:33):
So then the team that won the game head to head.
I don't know how you could get that mad about it,
other than why did they wait till now to do it?
You know, I don't think it's the end result that's
the problem, because it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's how they got to that end result. It's the weird.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's the weird journey to get there, and how late
in the process it took from Miami to then pass
their name. So I think ultimately on that side of it,
I think the Miami not name debate, they probably ended
up getting it right in their own weird way. To me,
the Alabama part is the part that has me all shamboozl.
You wanted them out. I want Alabama out. They got
(27:11):
three losses. We went through their resume. They've got a
bad loss to Florida State. They haven't necessarily what dominant,
as I just said, much of the season for Bama standards.
I feel like, and you could blame Notre Dame for
not being in the conference. I guess if you want to.
But I feel like, are you blame the accs Tigers
to name Bama and the SEC vaulted dead man?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And we said this on Friday, But.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What about the Notre Dame. Now you're saying the SEC thing.
I think it's what McElroy said yesterday and what we
said all along. They don't want to take a team
out of the playoff for what they do in the
conference championships because if not, no one will want to
go to the conference champion. You may they may feel
beholden to that, but again, are you there to put
(27:53):
because I tend to agree with you. We'll get into
it more and more at seven o'clock. I tend to
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I believe on a neutral site Notre Dame in Miami,
we both beat Alabama and Oklahoma. I don't know how
Oklahoma hasn't got scrutinized more in this whole process.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
That was my next one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
We said, the Dame beat Alabama, so or Oklahoma beat Alabama.
So I think they felt like we got to have
Oklahoma up here. If we're gonna have Alabama here. Oklahoma
got in no questions asked, and they're hosting a playoff
game like it was nothing. And I look at them,
as where are they in comparison to Bama, Miami, Notre Dame.
Are we sure Oklahoma is all that good? That is
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the exactly we talked about it on Friday, and that
was in my head all weekend of Oklahoma's chilling, no stress,
and I don't know how good they are and they
get to play each I've been saying that for I
think a couple of weeks now. I just I don't
know why we hadn't been talking about Oklahoma. Get ready
for thirteen to ten of Oklahoma Obama because they they
of course they draw each other, you know, But anyway
(28:53):
we do, let's talk a little bit about the conference
title games, cause again at seven o'clock, I'm gonna crank
it up and get going.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I would have liked to see them put Bam out
because I said last week, Bone, you can't move them
out for what they do in a conference title game
unless they lose by I said three touchdowns or more,
and they lost by three damn touchdowns. So I think
that's a conversation we got to have. I also would
like to see Notre Dame act in a more professional manner.
I thought that the way they acted as a university
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led by their ad yesterday, I thought it was disgusting.
I thought it was pathetic and whining for an entity
that holds itself into the highest regard.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
We don't need a conference. We have our own network.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Seriously, you act like you're better than everybody else, but
you didn't act like you were better than anybody yesterday.
So I want to get into that in a little bit.
But let's talk a little bit bone about the games
this weekend, because they're going to get lost. And I
can tell Bone Duke fans they want to be hugged today. Now,
most of you want to be hugged for basketball because
you beat Michigan State and you've beat so many good
(29:55):
teams in so many tough games for such a young
team that it's freaking amazing. But the football team, Bone,
they did go out there and win the damn game.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
So how do you feel?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Are you like happy for Duke or do you find
yourself looking at this Duke season like what might have
been because.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We were so inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, I'm happy as I said when when the show began,
they have a lot of notable wins for themselves. They
won all the games in the state, they beat Clemson,
they won the ACC. You can look at the non
conference as you know, the Yukon game is one that
got away from them, but they could have that one.
You know, Tuwayana and Illinois, we knew kind of going
(30:34):
into the season, those would be tougher. That one's the
one that Georgia Tech. They were, they were in that
game for most of it. There's something that got away.
But I think eighteen wins potentially for Manny Diaz in
his first two years, if they go and win the
bowl game geinst Arizona State, eighteen wins in his first
two years with a lot of changeover. I'm happy with that.
(30:55):
And now we see, you know, Mensa next year coming
back and then a ball day Shepherd as a freshman.
We'll see because he's one of those guys you look
at and say, oh, man, he might be one of
the better running backs in the country. Hopefully they can
secure him to come back. You never know in this
day and age. But when you've got Mensa, when you've
got Nate Sheppard, they've done a good job. By the way,
(31:15):
in the portal, Cooper Barkate did a nice job. They
did a great job last year and stabilizing their roster.
They did some nice moves this year. And I will
say this many Diaz did a class thing this weekend.
In one of his media sessions, he thanked David Cutcliffe
and Mike Elko for them for setting the stage for
what he could do at Duke. So you don't often
(31:37):
have the coach refer to the recent coach that was
there that laughed in the way that he did, But
many Das, I think he's.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Been all class there as a dude coach so far.
I'm excited. That was a good one. That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, someone had to win the conference, so I'm
not going to sit here and I didn't that meant something.
If you're a Virginia fan, you got to be devastated.
You had it on your racket. But as you said,
Friday Bone, what would be the most acc chaos that's
the result that happens, And you were right.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
How did I not figure that out?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Duke's defense, by the way, pretty damn good effort from
Duke's defense, holding them only twenty points. It returnovers involved
Chandler Morris ended the game with a pick, had a
miscommunication pick that led to a Duke field goal where
they went up ten. Virginia did not play their best either.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Bone.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I know Virginia fans got to be sick because not
only did they not go, then they got to watch
in State JA a little old JM you go as well.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I'll just say this now, Virginia's got to take on
the fighting Willie Pas.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You talk, you think got Missouri and the bowl game.
You talk about Bony Duke's non conference as many Diaz
sat there this weekend and tried to say they should
be in over James Madison. There's one game on the
Duke schedule that really hurts any comparisons. First of all,
five losses hurts their comparison. But when you're trying to
(32:49):
compare yourself to group of five teams and you lost
to Tulane, who's one of the two group of five
teams in and honestly, I don't know what the score
ended up, but you were like second best the whole
way through. They rallied, but still you were second best
the whole way through. Like it was a yawner because
you were down so much, in part because of your
mistakes in the first half, but you couldn't stop. They
(33:11):
ran all over Duke. That that doesn't help your cause.
But if they weren't getting in with five losses anyway,
enjoy Enjoy it to way and you've got revenge week
one next year when you got to go to Wally Wade's.
You get enjoy your littill playoff. You'll playoff running. I
want a Duke JMU game bone, Let's do it Duke
versus the Duke's. Let's get a grudge match going. Although
JMU fans Duke ATE's JMU. Now JMU fans love Duke.
(33:35):
How about the fact that the star running back for
JMU participated in the storming of the quad on with
the Students on Saturday Night with Duke beat Virginia Duke
Wood Duke would Duke would handle JMU? I'm confident in
and what team shows up from Duke? Though jmu's got
one game against the ACC this year, they got beat
(33:58):
by fourteen to Louisville. What do you think is better
right now now? Duke or Wouisville. Like JMU would not
They would not beat that Louisville team was healthier back then.
I will say that I listen, I'd probably pick Duke,
But I don't know. I don't know if if if
five loss bone can get all freaking feisty about what
you would do to JMU, because if the team that
(34:19):
can't like complete the process of a kickbone shows up,
you know what I'm saying, Like y'all had some stinkers
this year.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's the thing. You were so inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
If JMU played Duke's schedule, how many losses would they
actually have? But if Duke played JMU schedule, what would
they have? I don't think JM you would have more
losses than Duke. Really, I think that's a pretty good football.
You take JMU. If they played they would they would
beat Illinois? No, okay, you think they would beat you?
Would they Wayne? They would have beat you. JMU went
(34:49):
at to Wayne, they would have beat you. Khon would
they beat Clemson? I just gave you a game they
would have won. I just gave you a game they
would have won. But jmu' is not some juggernaut, some
group of five juggernaut here, neither are you aren't some
juggernaut either, dude can take your title. How could I
not be any more settled down? We're having a conversation
(35:10):
as comments can be. I'm simply telling you, head to head,
Duke would beat Jmu.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Like, how how was that hard to figure out? You
know you look com Bone, Duke would be Jmu.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Like.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's like, I don't understand what I think it's I
would pick Duke, but I don't think. I think you're
getting a little full of yourself here. I think you're
forgetting how bad Duke was capable of being this year.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like that, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I did not expect full of himself Duke Bone today basketball,
because I think Duke could be JMU and full myself.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like, I'm lost on that one. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think you could beat him, but I think you
could lose to him too. I don't think they would again,
do you think Jmu or Yu Coon's better? Obviously that's
a bad loss for for Duke, But right now, the
way they're playing, I think Duke would be only.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Ain't that damn good either? Bone the bloom. The bloom
came off that rose long ago. Sorry, I didn't mean.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I didn't mean to get excited about something on the
radio show that Duke won a champions You can get
excited all you and I can tell you right back,
this Duke football team ain't worth bowing up over.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right down.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But for basketball, you write down a list of things
I can be excited about, right basketball? Put that on
your list over there. You and I disagree, that's it.
I just I don't know. I think you get a
little too hoity toity for winning this thing, because I'm hoity.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Toys shouldn't even been there.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Miami should have been down time breakers, straight down. I'm
hoity toity because I think Duke is better than JMU.
Think about what you're saying, that act condescending towards JMU.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I don't know. Feel's rich.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, my my fault. All the JMU fans listening feels rich.
Get them, Get them Duke's fans, not Duke fans. Dukes fans.
Been a long week.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's when we got Wednesday Bone, looking to Wednesday night.
Look forward to that when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Sounds of the Weekend, Hubert Davis reacts to the Big
un See when Tom Izzo's a bit ticked off after
the Duke and Greg Sankie has just an outright up
third idea about how many teams dancyc should have in
sports radio WFNZ.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I believe we're growing, We're we're we're getting better at it.
It's not a finished product. I feel like we've got
a long way to go. But you know, one of
the things that I consistently talk to them about is
how do you react and how do you respond? And
so with the physicality, how are we going to respond
in a way that we did specifically in the second half,
(37:43):
to hold them to just ten points in a paint,
zero fast break points, I thought was huge. And so
you know again, I thought our defense in the second
half versus a really good Georgetown team and how it
rebounded them as well. So really happy about that.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
That is Hubert Davis talking about the second half physical
they played defense, holding Georgetown to twenty two percent shooting.
You heard them there say, ten points in a paint
one three in the in the second half. Strong second
half from Carolina. I love the defensive potential. I love
like you're talking about Bone, their duo inside. I'm sure Bone.
(38:25):
We will get a text James Tromp Maiden angry that
we have played this clip from Hubert Davis. But I
just want to give Carolina some credit. I thought that
second half was a pretty damn good performance from those
boys last night.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, they did what they had to do.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That's a performance last year where they couldn't put teams away.
It felt like a lot of their games ended up
a lot closer than they should have been in the
first half. Kind of played that a little bit with
the second half. They shut the door. And that's what
they've done. The teams they should beat, They've they've taken
care of business and really slammed the door on them
this year, as opposed to last year they let teams
hang around. Performances were questionable even in wins. This year,
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they're leaving no doubt about these wins at the end
of the game. And Derek Dixon, you can see him
growing in confidence. What a shooter he is. How good's
he going to be at the end of the season,
you know. So I just I think this team's potential
when it gets to tremble back. Evans was better made
some plays. I still do wonder will Dixon be taking
(39:24):
his minutes more. They played him together a bit in
the second half, yesterday. I kind of like that would
tremble out. But I do want to talk about duke
basketball Bone because I don't think you and I will
be arguing about this unless you want me to not
be so bullish on duke basketball. We have to have
a serious conversation about whether this team is better than
(39:45):
last year's team. And I can't believe I'm saying this.
With all the talent that last year's team had, Bone,
this duke team impresses the hell out of me. You
would think with the young guys they have, you would
think that they would slip up in one of these
type games on the road against a real good Michigan
State team.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I was so impressed with that win. That was awesome.
It wouldn't have been a bad.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Thing if you would have told me they had a
couple of losses already this year because of the games
that they played, and they've ran through them all so
for They've got Texas Tech coming up next down the line,
and then Michigan in February. In terms of the non
conference they've they've matty. I was okay with a couple
of losses. The way they played the schedule to win
at the Breslin Center against a really good Michigan State
(40:29):
team that impressed me. Caleb Foster, to me, has done
a pretty job of playing his role, and I think
that's the best thing about this team right now.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
They're playing like the definition of a team. It's not.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, there's some talented dudes like Dame Sarr who's not
doing a whole lot at the moment, but he'll be
a first round pick. Evans, we'll see. But Matt, this
isn't one of these do classes in the teams where
it's like three of the first five picks maybe no players.
That's impresident Boozer and everyone else right now so far
has figured out what their role is and they do
(41:06):
what'sever needed. So this isn't This is a team. This
is not a collection of parts. This is a team
ed by Boozer. But Gunba plays his roll well, Evans
hits the big shots, Foster plays is.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Roll well, and on and on.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
They all know who they are, and I can't always
say that for dou because they try to figure out
sometimes the level of stars who gets the shot. We
know who the man is and everyone else surrounds them.
I think it's a very, very good team. How about
the first half when Boozer only has two points, they're
having trouble getting to him, and Jmeniez says, I'll hit
three trays in the first half.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yep. And I like what he did.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He's now in that starting lineup, Kasar struggling a menu
making hustle plays out there too.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I like what you said about Foster.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Reminded me of the Arkansas game where he made key
plays late and Foster jmenu are the definition of that
because sometimes look at the box score and it may
not be something that's outlandish, but they they do what's
needed to get done, and the Boozer of that actually
will carry them to the finish. My god, Boozer in
that second half was a man though. That's the thing.
If he struggles in one half, you know what's coming
(42:07):
in the second half.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
You know it's coming. Man.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I something about Boozer and he had sixteen the second
half ended with eighteen fifteen and six assists. What a
passer he is, I mean, what a passer. All these
like talented four men are in the triangle. Yeah, you
know what I mean, Boozer, Caleb Wilson and Darien Wooman.
I haven't even unlocked his his full outlet passes yet.
That's like his best passing. We saw a little bit
of it, but it didn't really lead to that oh
(42:31):
yet either. There's another level there. I'm gonna tell you
right now. I love watching Boozer rebound. There's not many people,
I say, man, I like watching him rebound the way
he carves out space.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Goes up stripe and points owns the ball. Ye Like
you know, there is nobody.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
He's going up two hands high point like a wide receiver,
and nobody ain't getting a hand on that rebound like
I just there's something to be said for that. All right,
Let's get Gumba's also taking it up another level this
year as well, especially defensively. That's the thing about it,
Maggot's not just Boozer. When you are the number one
defensive efficiency team in the country, there's a lot of
dudes that are defending. Like we'll get Foster's defense. You
(43:06):
don't see a lot of guards team team defense. The
switch to the zone was also huged by Shiros. That's
a great call. How about Brewiser got four fouls and
how about this Iso was mad after the game. That's
got to count for something.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
And those of you that come once in a while
and actually watch it practice instead of just sit up
there and be on Twitter, we work on it a lot,
and every game day or the night before in this case,
we spend last night practice ended. My staff said we
(43:43):
forgot free throw cutouts because I usually do them day
of again, so we stopped and we did it and
talked about it. And that's unexcusable. I don't I don't
care if parents are mad at me. I don't care
if media is mad at me. I don't care. My
wife's mad at me, and I don't. The worst part
is I'm mad at me because I didn't get that
done and it cost us, and you know, give them credit,
(44:06):
though I sound like I'm not giving him credit. I'm
a job John's done. I'm in of of. You know,
most of people don't want to follow legend. He followed
a nikon and uh, and he's done a hell of
a job.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
So there you go. He did work it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Because I was, as I'm hearing that clip, I'm like, bro,
this ain't just about your team, right, yeah, it's like
and the free throw cut like this is also about Duke.
And then eventually he got to it, which was cool,
Which was cool of him, but I wasn't sure, A
little saudy I like that. Yeah, he was like, I
got a good team. No, he's got a good team.
He was really I thought he may take that loss
(44:42):
in stride that a good team came in in one.
He seemed like that loss hit him for that loss
really hit him hard the other day. Yeah, he wouldn't
think that a non conference wall so without good they've been,
wouldn't have hit his oh that hard. But he seemed to.
He seemed to take that one personally. He wanted that
one man, but he didn't get it. Duke's got him
all so far this year. What a damn starting eye
out to the season.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Mat.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Can I give you a real quick stat on John
Shire that I saw the other day, Want to make
sure that it's on my phone.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Here.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
This is an amazing stat. John Shire is three and
a half years in right, and here is the list
of coaches it's screwing up here, hold on, I got
it right. Here here's the coaches back that John Shire's
beaten in three and a half years. Tom Izzo twice,
Tommy Lloyd twice, Sean Miller twice, Pat Kelsey twice, Brad
(45:29):
Underwood by forty five, Bruce Pearl, Todd Golden, cal Natos,
Kelvin Sampson, and Bill soalthe and a half years. Those
are the coaching wins for John Jyres, who could have
followed up a legend better. This has been remarkable, absolutely remarkable,
the way they followed up a legend.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Due to time constraints, we will have to wait until
we come back from the break to laugh at Greg Sankey.
We will do that when we come back here, all right,
So let's do this bone. Greg Sankey with a straight
face this weekend said the SEC deserves how many playoff teams?
We'll talk about it. Did they even deserve the four
they got? Does Notre Dame? Is Notre Dame right to
(46:09):
be big mad about Miami flipping them. We'll talk about
it all. Playoff chaos anger, we'll talk about it next
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