December 8, 2025 • 42 mins
In the second hour, Mac & Bone talk about the 20025 CFP bracket being set, as they deabte if Notre Dame was the team that got the short of the stick, and what factored in to Alabama making the field, Jordan Bianchi joins to talk about NASCAR's ongoing legal battle, & they react to Tampa's loss to the Saints, which puts the Panthers back in first place in the NFC South
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think we'll see a quality football game with two
teams that have high, high quality wins, one of them
actually won a game. The best win on the record
this year is Alabama's win over Georgia at Georgia, the
third ranked.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Team in the nation.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Because one and two have no losses, so I focus
on the opportunity, and I think their participation in the
College Football Playoff is.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Clear, but we're gonna have to see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I actually think we deserve seven in I think the
seven teams that are in the top fourteen, half of
the top top fourteen teams are from the SEC. That's
an indication that this league is different. The expectations are different,
the competition is different, and the rewards should respect each
of those elements.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
How'd you say that with a straight face? Man? What
you know you're a bit yes?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Or when you can say that with a straight face,
that's Greg SANKEI on Martin McGee, let's get four and
you better like it, sir, because I'm not even sure
you deserve four. I'm with Bone on the whole Alabama thing.
The way they've played the last five games, the eye test,
I get why they're in there. And I also get
why Miami is in there as well. But I am
pretty sure bone not everybody is going to agree with
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the process the way it was handled. I'm sure there's
gonna be fans out there think Notre Dame got screwed.
Lord knows, they think they got screwed. The Leprechaun tiers
were a flowing yesterday out of South Bend, so we
got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You know what. The next comes to this play off?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
My prediction back on the next thing that SANKI will
get mad about. He's gonna want the He's gonna want no,
he's gonna want the something in the first round where
you can't play your own conference opponent. Probably right, he's
gonna come out and say should we have conferences playing
in the first round? Should Oklahoma really play Alabama and
the first round? That'll be his next time, That'll be
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his next thing.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, I didn't even think about it, because.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He's gonna want He's not gonna walt one of his
team's a woman in his other team, so he's gonna
try to stump for should we separate conference teams from
playing each other? That's my prediction on what's next.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'll tell you who got a good draw out of
the SEC Alabama to get in and not drop a
damn spot. I'm trying to figure that one out. But
how about Old Miss sticking there in the sixth spot
where you get to play against Tulane instead of the
seventh spot where A and M has to play Miami.
That's big for Old Miss. It's very close between Ole
Miss and A and M. Let's talk about it. Let's
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talk about the big stuff here. Did Notre Dame get screwed?
Bony I said it in the first hour. I would
have left Miami out. But if I would have left
Miami out bone that might have killed conference championship games. See,
there's political mumbo jumbo and crap that you get the
feeling the committee is factoring in where I'd just rather
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see them put in the best teams. Right, there's political
mumbo jumbo. The ACC would have been out entirely if
they didn't flip Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Did that play a role?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I just find myself questioning what are their real motives?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Why does Alabama not even drop a damn spot when
BYU drops It doesn't make any sense at that and
their explanation is absurd. Well, Texas Tech lost twice by
a lot of points, or by you lost by a
lot of points twice Texas Tech Georgia or Alabama beat
Georgia the first time before getting blown out. But what
does that matter? We're talking about this weekend, Like Alabama
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was ranked where they were and b why you were
ranked where they were?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was because Alabama had beaten Georgia at Georgia. Why
do they get credit for it again? And you say
it's a reason why you didn't drop them. What happened
this weekend? Happened this weekend. They both lost the top
four teams Bone in blowout fashion. So I just I
don't get why Alabama couldn't drop but I find out
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to be ridiculous. But then again, Bone, if they drop Alabama,
then maybe they can't tell you that they finally came
up with the direct head to head comparison of Miami
and Notre Dame. So I just feel like I'm questioning
a lot of their processes.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And Notre Dame gets punished for losing to Miami and
in the head to head against Miami, obviously that would
make sense, right if you're going head to head Miami
despite how they got there, should be in if you're
going by head to head, what MATC was Florida State
not punished for losing a week one also to a
Western team.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're saying, or Alabama not punished.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
For los Alabama looses to Florida State and that didn't
seem to really affect them.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They did it almost pathetic.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Loss your chance and make sure you go back and
watch Notre Dame Miami makes sense? Did they go back
and watch Alabama Florida State Week one? Because Alabama mack
had a good four week span Georgia Vandy, Missouri Tennessee.
No doubt, they didn't start the year well and certainly
from South Carolina on down where they almost lost that game.
They did not play well beginning of the year and
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really the draction the season from October twenty fifth on.
They got in some ugly games. Yeah they won some them,
but that was not vintage Bama this year. They had
a month where they were really good. Outside of that,
they have not been that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ky Simpson's last four or five games whatever it is,
four touchdowns, five picks, Yep, he ain't the Golden Boy anymore.
And listen a lot of it wasn't his fault the
other day, he was under pressure. But anybody that's watched
Bama play over this last five weeks, Hi Simpson looks
specially anymore. And the problem is he has to be
special because they have no running game. They don't run
the ball well like a vintage Alabama team. I just
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the thing that's got me is all these little ins
and outs. How about what Hunter Yurachek, the committee had
said about that stretch. You're talking about bone which we
thought was better than it really turned out being. Missouri
and Tennessee are no longer ranked. But Hunter Yurachek, when
talking about why Alabama's in the playoff, brought up the
fact that they beat two teams that were ranked at
the time they played them. Why does that matter? What
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the hell does it matter if a team's ranked when
they play them. We now are in December. We now
can look at those teams and say, oh, they ain't
ranked anymore. Yeah, But so that I just they're reasoning
their process. I question all of that. I do, And
again I would have put Miami and Notre d Aymen.
But I feel like, listen to what Greg, what Greg
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McElroy is saying bone.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is what I hate about the committee.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It just feels like there's politics, there's agendas, there's a
process that is not It's just the fact that they're
not trustworthy, that they're just putting the best teams in
is what bothers me. Listen to McElroy because this is
probably why they were in bone.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I don't think the Committee wants to set a precedent
where they are de incentivizing participation in the conference championship game.
These conferences are very powerful. These conferences are very important.
And if you all of a sudden, from the committee standpoint,
are telling the SEC or the ACC or the Big ten,
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hey guys, yep, we are really gonna hold the teams
accountable that lose in the conference championship game, you're basically
telling teams not to play in the conference championship game.
So hypothetically, here, what would have happened yesterday if Alabama said,
you know what, guys, we're gonna opt out of the
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SEC championship game. We're not going to play. We're in
the field, we're in a good spot. We're not going
to play that game.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We don't need to. We're good, We're in.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I just feel like that's why Bama didn't drop that
Why well Bama didn't drop because then you could have
Notre Dame and Miami together and you can say, hey,
now we finally can put note you know, Miami over
no day, we couldn't compare the head to head because
that had a feisty, plucky little BYU team was in
a way.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But now they're next to each other, now we can.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's just I just don't like this the way the
committee goes about the process. Lynnwood's calling out how Miami
jumps Notre Dame and neither played. Does that make you
mad bony that knowed Miami, Because it's hard for me
to say, Man, how the heck does Miami jump Notre
Dame because they beat him head to head? I don't
think that was identical? Almost identical resumes bone, Yeah, and
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they beat him head to head. That it's hard for
me to like, free how do you freak out about that?
It's the way they got there. I think that that
causes the discontent with that one. I think it makes
sense when you look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It was just a weird way to get to the
problem and what the right call is by the way Max.
So Bama loses by twenty one, and as a Texter
accurately points out, because they take sacks into account.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Bama had minus d rushing guards. They didn't game.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
So you put in a team that lost by twenty one,
that lost to Florida State and not even close, and
they had minus three rushing guards in the championship game
and they don't they don't move anywhere. I mean there
offense lose by twenty one, you get smoke rolled, you
have minus three rushing guards and you just stay where
you are and BYU drops right, yes, and they lost
by a similar score.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And then I brought up last year. Everybody keep sang bone.
Even McElroy said it. That was on Always College Football,
by the way, yesterday. He was on the air for
four hours reacting and then they told him go to
a podcast podcast by yourself, And of course he pulled
it off. But Greg McCrory bought SMU. Last year. SMU
didn't fall out of the playoff, but they dropped two spots.
(09:19):
If Bama dropped two spots, they would have been awed
to playoff. But they weren't gonna do that, right, Like,
it's just but why to SMU dropped two spots last year,
like to say, you can't be punished for losing in
your conference championship game. They did it to b YU
this year in SMU last year. It's just they didn't
drop SMU enough. So it's just stuff like that that
bothers me. I have a question back about this whole thing.
I don't even cut you off there. Where does the
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human common sense element take take part in this whole thing?
Because right now, the way they're playing neutral field, Notre
Dame Bama. Who's the better football team right now today?
Notre Dame were Bama. I said in the first hour,
I think Notre Dame in Miami would beat Alabama and
Oklahom both. I agree on a neutral side, I agree completely.
So but you know, how much is I test? How
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much is resume? You got to give them credit for
their resume? I personally was hoping to see Alabama out.
I understand why they didn't do it. I also think
if you're Notre Dame, you're pissed off about the group
of five situation. We'll talk about that in the next hour.
Like there's probably rule changes coming. The group of five
access is probably going to be restricted. It took herb
(10:26):
Street and Rhys Davis Bone about ten seconds to start
talking about you got to put a barometer on these
group of five teams where they have to be in
the top fifteen or top twenty. Like, it didn't take
long for them to start politicking. Josh Pate was politicking.
Give the group of five their own playoffs. So we
got a lot to talk about with that. I do
want to talk about Notre Dame though, because I do
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have sympathy for him the way it played out, Bony,
But I think the way they handled it afterwards I
thought was pathetic. I thought was pathetic. They whined so
much and cried that ad Pete Bavakua and that whole
statement about the process and the way it happened. I
have to get these quotes and read them off because
they are so dramatic and over the top, and they
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skip a bowl game, and yeah, kind of wish they
would play in the bowl game, Bony. But my biggest
criticism is just the way they handled that. You lost
head to head against Miami, and for him to just
get as dramatic as he did and whiney as as
he could, I thought was a bad look for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I really did, man, Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I didn't love it either, and they've been really, I think,
mag different under Marcus Freeman. There's a respectability with him
as the leader, but that went out the window. Not
blaming him totally, but I feel like we kind of
got old school Notre Dame arrogance this weekend that we
haven't necessarily seen as much with Marcus Freeman's tenure. So, yeah,
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I did not. I did not love the And that's
not the ball game stuff. It's just the statements and
the words that we're said more than anything. Yeah, I
did not love how Notre Dame came across the Vaqua.
The ad called the process an absolute joke, said the
program was blindsided by its drop to first team out quote.
My feelings and the feelings here are just shocked and
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really an absolute sense of sadness for our student athletes,
like a collective feeling that we were all just punched in
the stomach. Bavaqua said. It's devastating. These young men deserve better.
There's no explanation that could possibly be given. He's talking
about dropping them when they both didn't play. We feel
like the playoff was stolen from our student athletes. Bone,
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I ain't that bright?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Right? We all don't agree on that. Ye, I ain't
that damn bright.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And I sat here on Friday and said, I really
feel like Bone, we could see Miami jump if BYU
loses and gets out of the way, the committee will
then use this logic that we do. Might that makes
sense their logic. But oh now they're side by side
in the rankings. Now we can apply head to head
and as exactly what they did.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So if my dim.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Witted self could figure out that was a possibility. You
mean to tell me, butavaqua, y'all didn't discuss that in
house that no one told the players, Hey, this could
have you know what I mean? Come on, This wasn't
anything that wasn't talked about by the talking heads ahead
of time. This was a possibility. Now does it make
sense that they didn't play neither team and Miami jumps them.
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You could definitely argue it didn't make sense and rip
their processes, like I think it was Joey Galloway right
that went in on it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, was it? You have that clip Fittie Galloway.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This is probably what a lot of people are thinking
it's probably what Notre Dame fans are thinking. I just
but to cry about it and act like this is
some great injustice. I mean, I just I can't buy it,
and it makes Notre Dame show their ass. Touchdown Jesus
right now is very upset that your ass is showing people.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Vaqua. But listen to this clip.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This is Joey Galloway asking how the hell did that
just happen.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Very strange to me. And again, Reesel, you mentioned earlier
that they hadn't compared these two teams, Well why not.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
They shot humans there.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
They should have absolutely compared these two teams. We had
a ranking come on on Tuesday. If they were going
to flip these two teams that did not play, they
should have done it on Tuesday. Now, this Miami team,
the way they're playing the last few games, they are
a very good football team to have a chance to win,
just like any other team. But it is strange to
me that you have two teams that were sitting on
the couch yesterday that somehow flipped in their rankings.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So by the way Bavok was so a lot of
people are feeling that way, and I get that because again,
the process is.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Boned are the most annoying thing, but the what was
it gonna say?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So Bavakua says they should stop doing the weekly shows
and maybe they should think herbstream man m Street even
said that he doesn't want to be a part of
it anymore. He probably doesn't like being criticized every Wednesday.
He's not on there that much anymore, is he? He don't
they bring him in though? Did they bring him in?
I usually? But anyway, listen and maybe there's a point there.
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Although it's an entertainment products right at ESPN wants those
weekly shows. They want the drama, even if it's you know,
doesn't end up meeting anything in the end on the
week to week. But I got a great idea for you, Bavakua.
How about we make some changes. How About you join
an f and conference, join the ACC that look pretty
winnable this year until you run into the champs. Or
you could probably kill the ACC scheduling thing. You can
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probably kill that, and I'm afraid that maybe they will
try to kill that. Or you could beat Miami. There's
some options here where you could have got in things
that you can control. I will say this though, Bone
they probably don't have to join a conference because they
signed a memorandum of understanding. According to to uh Ross
Dellinger from Yahoo, they signed what was called a memoranm
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of understanding where if there's a twelve team playoff in
the future, if they don't move up, and they say
at twelve teams, Notre Dame in the top twelve goes
to the playoff regardless. So what would have happened is
Miami would have been bounced because Notre Dame is guaranteed
a spot if.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They're in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
They seek down by us, then Bone you have if
they go to fourteen teams, all they have to do
is be in the tops are thirteen and they're guaranteed.
You want to talk about a controversy, imagine this if
it plays out like this, Miami beat Notre Dame head
to head, and Miami is ranked higher, and this could
happen next year, by the way, but they but Miami
can't go to the playoff because Notre Dame is locked
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in if they're in the top twelve. A deal that
no other individual institution has anything like. It had not
heard about that until this weekend. Yes, so that's they
digged on the down load. It was signed on the
down low. Ross Dellinger, Well, actually Dellinger didn't dig it up.
Pete Pavaqua volunteered that told the committee that it's like, oh,
so you got some sweetheart deal. It's unfair to the
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rest of the country moving forward. So explain to me
why you're crying right now like.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
A little baby.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
One of the leading voices of Notre Dame mac is very,
very upset at the ACC right now.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Shane Gillis is very I thought.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You're talking about coach Pauli on the text Lote Janeyous said,
the ACC betrayed us. I don't know if you saw
their social media every day they were trashing Notre Dame.
After all the money we gave them, we bless them.
And this is how the CC watch Jesus, they go
pull that scheduling day and watch out.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Uh oh, that's another thing I thought of that that
also played a role here. Again, it's so messed up
the way the processes work. If the ACC had the
tiebreakers the way they should be, and highest ranked teams
was at least second behind head to head and the
tie breakers, Miami would have been in the ACC title game,
and if they beat Virginia, Notre Dame would have gone too.
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So like, there's so many ifs bones at play. It's wild,
it's crazy. Not everybody can make it. And that's what
I would tell Notre Dame. Take that little binkie out
your mouth, your damn babies, all right? Touchdown? Jesus is
shaking his head at the way you're handling.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Is this a way? Is a way?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Touchdown? Jesus wants you to handle adversity. How about sending
a message to the kids about handlingdversity? Oh no, the
message you sent to the kids at Notre Dame is
you whine like little babies when adversity hits when you
play victim.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh sorry, bud, when we come back.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Jordan Bianchi of the Athletic dot Com has the latest
on the NASCAR trial going on Sports Radio seven WFNZ.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ Back in Bone with you,
we are, I would say bone about seventeen minutes or
so away from delving into the Carolina Panthers and how
they got back to first place tied with the Tampa
Bay Bucks. Did less Did yesterday's game make you think? Oh? Yeah,
this division can be ours. Look at Baker, he ain't
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right physically. Look at the Bucks, they're stra they ain't themselves.
Or did it make us say, damn, I'm worried we
might lose Saints again.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Did it make you do both?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We will talk about your reactions to that game and
the Bucks getting stuffed five times on fourth down. God,
I was loving that yesterday. So anyway, what a fun
few weeks we got coming up as Panther fans. So
we'll talk about that coming back. Then we'll get back
start screaming again. At least I will Bone scream about
the playoff again. I'm sure I'm just ordering my title gear.
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I'm not even listening to you right now. Bones order
his acc title gear. But he's still I need to
get James or made in a T shirt too, here
while he deserves it. With all those texts he sent
ripping me, I think he deserves a gift from you
for that. But right now, though, Bone Man, we've got it.
I want to spend a few minutes talking about something
that has fascinated me, the articles about it, the tweets, heck,
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just the tweets of some of the interesting and salacious
things that have gone on in the courtroom or out
of the courtroom. And we're talking about the NASCAR trial
twenty three eleven, front Row Motorsports, the anti trust, the
monopoly accusations, the antitrust suit here and Jordan Bianki's been
covering it for the Athletic and I want to kind
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of let him take us inside the proceedings bone to
where this is headed, where he thinks it's headed, what's
been going on in that courtroom, Jordan Bianki joins us, Jordan,
we appreciate it. Did you ever think you would be
a court reporter like Doug lu Wellen from the People's Court?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Well, I mean, listen, I tell people the time you
cover sports, you're going to cover law. And I've covered
many of the cases over the years, but I will
say this, walking into a courtroom to cover each federal
case involving NASCAR versus essentially you know Michael Jordan's race
team that was never on my Bengo car to whatsoever,
and that is it has a very surreal feel. Last
Monday when this all began, you walk in, You're like,
is this really really happening? Seriously? And then you'd see
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jurors walking out of the courtroom if they were recused,
like pointing fingers at MJ and like giving them winks
and knives and all excited to be in his presence
and everything. And then Friday, when Michael Jordan took the
witness stand, which is crazy to think about Michael Jordan's
testifying in a federal probably you're like, wow, okay, this
is this is real, Like this is crazy. So yes,
covering a trial, no, actually covering a trial involving Michael
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Jordan's suing NASCAR, that was not something I ever foresaw.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think that's the point too, Like it's just it's
MJ's it's these big entities. How did the Jordan testimony go?
Was it seen as as really good? Do you think
for one side or the other?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
On Friday?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You know, I didn't know what to expect going in,
Like you didn't know if you're going to get angry
defiant Michael and this is why we're suing and you know,
you know what I'm talking about. But what we saw
was somebody who walked to the witness stand and as
he is named at Calders like this just quiet throughout
the courtroom, like oh wow, Okay, here's Michael Jordan, and
everybody's just kind of watching him obviously, and he gets
the witness stand and he makes a joke about how
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the seat on the seat the chair in the witness
stand is too small and he's a little taller, and
then he you know, they asked him his name and
he gives his name, and you know, and I will
say that the plaintiffs lawyer did a really good job
of you know you kind of guy asked background questions
and like, well you play sports at all? And he's like,
I played a little basketball. And then they're like did
you play in the NBA's like, yeah, I played for
the Chicago Bulls And she's like, well did you play
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for any other team? And she and he goes, I
like to forget about that team. And so he did
a really he did a really good job of kind
of just diffusing the situation, and he made a couple
of jokes, but he was very passionate. He explained that
he's been a long time NASCAR fan since he was
a kid. His dad used to take the family to races.
It means a lot to him. This is not a
vanity project for him, and essentially is that when he
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came into the sport, he came in under certain financial
terms that he didn't agree upon necessarily because it was
an old agreement. But as the new agreement was coming up,
he felt like he was in a position to kind
of shape and mold things going forward. And you know,
he looked around the room basically these other team owners
who had been in this for a long time, and they,
you know, they for what they are reasons, they they
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maybe couldn't push NASCAR as hard as they wanted to,
and MJ being MJ's like, I didn't feel like I
was in that position. I felt like I could just
push and posh basically, and I didn't like what was happening,
and somebody needed to stand up, and so he did. So.
It was an hour testimony. It was really nothing, no bombshells,
nothing sillacious, nothing on that. It was really matter of fact.
And it was really weird because even NASCAR's lawyer was
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kind of in a like basically sanbuling them. You know,
he's thinking a couple of jokes about it. Jay's a
great basketball player, and at the end, the lawyer goes,
I just want to thank you because my nine year
old son is going to think I'm really cool today
because I talked to you, and it's like, that's a
really weird thing. Yeah, that's a really weird thing for
like a defense lawyer to say to somebody that there's
you know, being suitfized. So yeah, exactly. So it was
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just a it was an interesting situation on Friday, but
it just kind of as like I said, it kind
of sets the overall scope of this case where it's
something that nobody ever foresaw happening.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jordan, did I see last week or did I read
it right?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Where a person in the process, the jury selection process
got kicked out because he was complaining about where NASCAR
is as a sport.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That did that happen?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Lat Yeah, there was a couple of fans who are
not happy about you know, NASCAR's direction and everything, and
they got recused.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
They couldn't help them.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
They could help themselves, you know. I was waiting for
someone to take a shot like the playoff format or
something like that, and no one did. But it was
interesting and they came up they found nine jurors without
any background of NASCAR really, so it was it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Hey, Jordan, this thing has gotten nasty too. Like you're
kind of showing us some of the lighter sides, right
that involve MJ and stuff. There was there was to
do with the boombox playing the old Alison Alan Parsons
project song that the Bulls used to come out to
in intros while Michael was walking in.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So there is a lot of like levity in this.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But I think it was your article last week in
The Athletic that talked about how just nasty some of
this has gotten. It got a bit contentious with Denny
Hamlin and the NASCAR attorneys, and then the stuff the
text messages that showed basically basically the commissioner NASCAR, Steve Phelps,
and some of the stuff he was saying in text
message about Richard Childress, you know, like basically calling him
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names and stuff like how much damage is this doing
to the sport? I can't help to read that stuff,
and wonder, man, why couldn't the two sides come to
agreement so all this nastiness could up?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You know what I mean? Is this hurting the sport?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
No, it's one hundred percent hurting the sport. I mean,
and you're looking at this and you're looking all the
money spent on legal fees and everything else. And you're like,
we couldn't have just pulled back from this and tried
to figure out a way to settle this, and everybody
could have walked away with enough piece of the pie
and be happy. And I will say this, and I'm
not trying to send NASCAR in this instance, but NASCAR
tried really really hard to get a settlement to the
finish line, and there was a couple of moments where
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they felt like they were close. For various reasons, they
couldn't do that. NASCAR tried really really hard to do that.
I will say this is something that could have been
nipped in the buz three years ago, two years ago,
as these negotiations were ongoing, if NASCAR would have made
it's offer basically for permanent charters and given the team's
permanent charters three years ago when negotiations started, or two
years ago when negotiations really heated up, our a year
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ago when this was getting finalized, this we wouldn't be
here today. And then to ask you your question about
kind of the health of the sport it is helping
or hurting. This is hurting. I don't know how you
don't think this is hurting when you're in the headlines,
your sports in the headlines are being sued by Michael
Jordan federal port. That's not a good thing. And then
I look at the spectra of the twenty twenty five
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NASCAR season and it was like this big black cloud
in the background that just kind of hung over the sport.
It didn't matter what was going on on the racetrack
or everything like that. Everyone was always just talking about lossuit,
this lawsuit that, And even when there was good things
that were happening, you still in your back of your
mind are like, oh, we got that lossup coming up.
And so there's always questions about it. There's filings, there's motions,
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there's texts, there's emails coming out, all of these things.
It's not a good thing to have this black cloud
hanging over it. And I'll take it even further, is
whatever the outcome of this is, let's say NASCAR loses
this trial, they're going to appeal, and so this isn't
going anywhere. This is going to continue to hang over
the sport for the foreseeable future. I just don't see
how that's a good thing for anybody involved.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, so real quick, I want to get you out
of here on this, but just real quick, give us
a quick thought, like if NASCAR ends up winning this,
like does Jordan and Denny Hamlin's twenty three eleven do
they like pack up shop? Like do you think they
just leave the sport? And then if the on the
flip side, what's the result and the repercussions If twenty
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three eleven in front Row beat NASCAR in this.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
It's bad either way. And so we'll start the first
part of it. If NASCAR wins this lawsuit, I can
confidently say Front Row Motorsports and twenty three eleven are
out of the sport. They don't have their charters. They
need those charters to compete on a reasonable financial level,
and so they have effectively said if we don't have
those charters, we can't raise. If they lose this lawsuit,
they're not going to have charters, and you connect the dots,
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that means they're done. That's a big blow for NASCAR.
Say what you will about this lawsuit. Whatever. Michael Jordan's
come into the sport for the last five years, He's
invested heavily into his race team twenty eleven. He's built
a competitive consistently competitive race team. They nearly won the
championship in twenty twenty four. You, if you will have
somebody like that in your sport, regardless of it's Michael Jordan,
you want to keep them. And then adding the fact
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that it's Michael Jordan, you certainly want to keep him
here in the sport. That's good for business. Now. Conversely,
if NASCAR loses, NASCAR fundamentally will likely shift. Depending on
the damages, the judge could award up to three hundred
and plus million dollars in damages. He could also order
NASCAR to sell its tracks. There's all sorts of other
stuff that he could issue as well. The likelihood is
that there's going to be some penalty that's going to
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be felt on NASCAR, not even beyond just financially and
what they're paying on lawyer sties and everything else, that
will significantly alter the shape of the sport that's operated
in a very certain way for seventy seven years, and
you start changing that fundamentally, how you go forward is
going to be very very different. And so however this
ends up, the NASCAR that we know a hearing today
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now is going to be different.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, that's great stuff, Jordan, and your articles are great,
Jordan Bianki, if you because we have people kind of
asking questions about this.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
This is the ultimate like fans need.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You guys as and gals as reporters in there to
kind of let us know what's going on. Read Jordan
Bianki's coverage of the trial, which is continuing this week
here in Charlotte at Theathletic dot com.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thank you, Jordan, Appreciate.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
You man, Thank you, guys, Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Thanks store. There you go. That is Jordan Bianchi.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Somebody asked a really simple fascinating thing here from a
both a long term NASCAR thing and also the comedic
elements that are going on at this whole entire thing.
And think about that NASCAR, like Jordan, if Jordan leaves
the sport, like NASCAR wins the case. But this big figure,
larger than life figure, right, like, so does NASCAR really win?
Someone asked a really basic question, what is the issue
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in this? And maybe I should have done a better
job kind of setting that up. It's an anti trust
lawsuit two race teams twenty three to eleven, owned by
Hamlin and Jordan front Row Motorsports against NASCAR claiming that
NASCAR opoly operates as a monopoly, that they set these terms,
tell the teams take or leave it, and there's no
other national stock car you know what I mean, body
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where they can go compete in like this, and specifically
that charter system that they want uh permanent charters, and
they want more of the revenue. You know that they
want the teams to get more of the revenue from
the sports. So it is interesting, and you're right, Bone,
some of the silliness has cracked me up. Man. The
guy I don't know if it's smoked blood wig or not,
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but the guy who at least on two days has
played that Bana that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Song, Well, that sounded like what that sound like?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
That?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Sound like?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
That?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Sound like dueling Banjos? How does the song? Why would
that be a NASCAR I don't answer that. How does
the song go? What am I trying?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
How does it go?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But that sounds like dueling Banjos? No, you're thinking of
the Bull song. That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to
do the Bull song. I'm trying to do Alan Parsons project,
but it's coming out when I hum it as dueling
brand the messed up can anybody hum the Alan Parsons
project put a damn down bone but a boom boom?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is that it? I feel like flower than that.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
If I was calid like John, I'm trying to do
the song that plays. When that plays, that's what whoever
this site used to like the outside the Courthouk in
the middle car right, Carl right, that was an amazing
I would get goosebumps when that song played. Not necessarily
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when I hummed the song here it is somehow I
hummed this and it sounded like that's what I was
going for right there, but I made it sound more
like dueling Banjos. This was goosebumps. This is the greatest
intro in sports history for a team, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
If I was asking MJ questions so while he was
on the stand, I wouldn't ask anything about Nascar. I
would say, MJ, is it true that you, sir, left
Isaiah Thomas off the dream too? It was your fault.
Oh man, give you a little beat box here, Mack.
We'd go to give you a beat box right now.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Beat box. Yeah, give me a lidle beatbox. How am
I gonna beat? Just did not to turn down that
song and this's nothing to do with that. Give you
a old beat box.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yess who's back back again?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Panthers in first? Yeah, may tell your friends.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah maybe Ford for Monday Sports Radio ninety WFZ. How
crushing wass was this? Faker sucks?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
I felt like we just gave it away or didn't
make the plays to uh to win it. Just too
many mistakes and conditions aren't an excuse because they had
to play them too, So none of that matters. Just
a matter of making the place in plays that guys
have made a bunch of bunch of times. Yeah, you
gotta ask you.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh that's all Baker Mayfit. I don't think you made
the plays. Bank, I do not think you made the
plays at fourteen of third completions and listen. I mean
I shouldn't be too much of an ask to Baker
Mayfield bone. I can't help myself. The Panthers are now
tied for first because the Bucks lost to the Saints.
But he's clearly playing through an injury, which we'd expect
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him to do because he is a damn gladiator. But
he does not appear to be at his best. His guy,
Mecca Buca let him down by dropping what it looked
like a pretty easy catch bone for a touchdown. They
failed five times on fourth down. Uh, it was amazing
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to watch. I'm yelling, whod at bone? I'm going crazy.
I've never rooted for the Saints like that. I felt
a little dirty, but I did it anyway for the
better good, better min of the Panthers. It was a
fun game to watch yesterday on a BIE week Sunday Bony.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, and that's the one thing that we said about
the Buccaneers schedule. A lot of times, it's Atlanta that
that gives them problems, and maybe hopefully this week on Thursday,
they do. But I feel like mac division, the Buccaneers do,
even when they're really good, they kind of do get
pushed by the Saints and the Falcons with a bit
so that it's it's shocking that it happened, but historically
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they they do play down to those teams, and they
may again on Thursday, for all we know, against Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Although Atlanta is Atlanta's not playing as well as the
Saints right now.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Honestly, Atlanta Seattle did damn in man. Seattle's good. They
can't come here. They are good. But anyway, yeah, you
don't know if Atlanta just literally is mailing it in
at this point. Yes, to see Thursday night the Bucks.
I don't like the Bucks getting a mini buy before US.
I don't like them having that extended time before US.
But I do like the fact that the Bucks lost
yesterday and the division's tied. And look at the way
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the Bucks have been playing lately. Man, this is maybe
it shouldn't come at some big shock what happened yesterday
at home in the elements against the Saints. They're now
two and five in their last seven. They are two
and five. Yep, they will get Mike Evans back, there's
no doubt about it. But now the whole side of
their whole left sid other offensive lines out because Bettison
went out yesterday with along with were Wurfs, who's been out.
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Baker Mayfield's playing through an injury, and does it look
like himself this team Bone in the last four games
have given has given up twenty nine point over twenty
nine points a game defensively, and Baker Mayfield in the
last four games. This goes back to even before the
injury in the Rams game is last four games, four
touchdowns and four picks. This team is there for the
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damn taking bone. I don't know if we're consistent of
I don't know if we're ready to do this as
an organization, but damn this team, the Bucks are begging
us to come take our damn title at we won fortune.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
And I also point out that the Buccaneers, they do
play Atlanta and the Panthers twice. That game at Miami.
Between the Panther games, we have Seattle between and they
have at Miami. Miami's won four to row five of six.
They play Pittsburgh and Cincinnati before to up. Uh, there's
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a very good chance that Miami enters that Tampa game
eight and seven for playing for something, so a game
that we woked out weeks ago as Iowa o their schedule. Dez,
if you're going to lose the Saints at home, you
could definitely lose to Miami right now on the road.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All that's a great point. That is a great point.
Maybe it's not that.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Maybe the Falcons don't have anything left, and if that's
the case, we'll just laughing. Sorry Falcons, But like, yeah,
the Miami one, they are clearly hitting stride and clearly
a different team.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's a good call there too.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
It's listen, do I still think the odds are that
we like, split them, split with them? Yeah, but I
just have to cite how pedestrian this damn Tampa team
is compared to even the ones to listen. I know
they've always won the lowly South Bunk understand that.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But this team is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
A shell of what they were last year or the
year before that, aren't they? I mean that's so that
gives you so much encouragement. I will say this, it does, though,
there is another side to it. The Saints, like you said,
ain't Quintin and Tyler Shuck, who we made look like
Joe Montana, Tyler Shuckbuhne, whether it's running the run plays
does they dude? They did a design run with him.
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He ran in for like a thirty yard touchdown. Tyler
Shuck's got something. He's got a little bit of moxie.
I don't think it is going to be a walk
in the park on Sunday down there in New Orleans
like that. I will say, this is going to make
me more worried about the Saints game, but it is
going to make me more hopeful about those Bucks.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Games, because there's there's two versions of bad teams at
this point. There's the bad teams that are feisty and playing,
and then there's the teams that are mailing in. And
right now the Falcons and Saints are on the opposite
side of that. Right now, it feels like the Falcons
cannot wait to end the season, and the Saints right now,
despite their record not being good, it feels like the
Saints are playing it out and playing hard for their
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first year coach Kellen Moore. Panther's still favored by two
and a half on Sunday. I don't know if that
would change or not because the Saints won on the road,
but interesting still two and a half points. My man,
Papa John says, I know we're two weeks away from
the Bucks. Let's not get Baker any bulletin board material.
He will use that and torch us. I did find
myself pulling for the Inks, but I had to shower
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after the game.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
He's not gonna He's not gonna hear what we said, sir.
I don't think were the thing. Do I want Panther
players talking trash about the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Probably not, but I don't think Bone.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Do you think they listened to the local radio yokels
over there and post clips from the Mack and Bone Show.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, No, I'm pretty sure they don't.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
We can't see anything worse on this show than we
said about Baker when he played here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He knows.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
By the way, you mentioned the Buccaneers Mac winning a
division that was bad, a division championship that was bad
multiple times. The worst thing is a fan or somebody
that's going to brag about winning a championship over the
competition that they played.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
By the way, my Duke gears on the way in here.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Y'all won the NFC South of College of Power for Conferences.
But unlike the NFC South, the division winner doesn't necess
penally get in there.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Bone.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Unfortunately for your Duke squad, this coach k would have
made a call.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
We could have gotten this thing.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
This.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He knows people at the highest levels this even we
did think it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Was worth his time and any lost five games, let's
see here, Panther Fanatics. As an old elderly man, Panther
Fanatics says, we got three of four remaining games. I
think we got to get three of the four remaining
I think we got to beat New Orleans and the
Bucks twice. The thing about the Bucks situation now is
I previously thought we had to get them twice bone
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because of division tiebreaker, but that was assuming wrongfully that
they would beat New Orleans and Atlanta and beat us
in the division record tiebreaker. Right now, we're tied in
the division record tiebreaker, so if we split with them
and we currently have the lead in conference record, although
that Seattle game could hurt us in conference record, so
there's some sort now to do down the line with
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tie breakers. But it did open up the possibility of
splitting with them and maybe winning the tiebreaker. Where we
before the Saints loss that that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
We've have as if the Buccaneers lose two of the
last four, both road games at the Panthers and at Miami,
that's that's definitely possible.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And what do we do.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We would beat New Orleans, beat Tampa because I just
said that, lose Seattle and then lose Seattle, so we
both end up nine and eight. Yeah, division record would
be the same. Conference record I think would then be
the same. And now you've lost me. Where do we
go next? Where do we go.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Next?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Where is that where Notre Dame gets in the NFL playoff?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Is China? Or am I getting things confused today? Duke
thinking a spot? Could they beat James Maatison? There you go?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
So I just got a text back from Greg Sankie.
He said, in that case, an SEC team gets in
w's the South.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Okay, Yeah, clearly, clearly that's what ends up happening. Common
opponents next, Well, now I gotta do more research. I
didn't know there'd be more pans.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
But yeah, that's a tough one because that Miami game
could throw a whole other out that the game between
the games of Panthers Bucks are gonna be huge now
because we thought Miami would just not be something for Tampa.
Now they are. So Seattle and Miami games are going
to be massive in this whole.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, and the Seattle game is big for us because
this conference game and conference records in there as a tiebreaker. Yeah,
you guys are right, common opponents. So I'll have to
look it up during the break. Where would we then
stand in common opponents? Tar Heel Pete, I think it
was is mad at us. You guys act like we
can't beat Seattle. I'm pretty sure we have said that
after last week's game, like we can beat anybody, we
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can beat Seattle. But there's a very good chance we don't.
They look like one of the best teams in the end.
So we're just we're just talking.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
We just talking.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Is I'm trying to be I don't think the Panthers
will go four and oh, so I'm trying to they
go three and one. I'm trying to be fair, and
I just look at Seattle up. That was just the
example for discussion.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
What more likely three and one the Saints in sweeping
the Bucks or the Saints split with the Bucks and
beat Seattle.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's an interesting conversation. Yees, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
The Saints look definitively like a worse team than Seattle
right now. But to the guy's point, they beat the Rams,
they beat the Packers, who are, by the way they
beat the Rams are the number one seed and the Packers,
who are after beating the Bears, are now the two seeds. Yeah,
they don't want the Panthers in the playoffs because they
could beat all these teams. They can beat any of
these teams. We're not saying they can't when we come back.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
More college football playoff bracket reaction, including jmu In over
Duke Notre Dame whining and what changes will this make?
You can tell matc rot that. Sports Radio ninety two
seven WFNZ
I think we'll see a quality football game with two
teams that have high, high quality wins, one of them
actually won a game. The best win on the record
this year is Alabama's win over Georgia at Georgia, the
third ranked.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Team in the nation.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Because one and two have no losses, so I focus
on the opportunity, and I think their participation in the
College Football Playoff is.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Clear, but we're gonna have to see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I actually think we deserve seven in I think the
seven teams that are in the top fourteen, half of
the top top fourteen teams are from the SEC. That's
an indication that this league is different. The expectations are different,
the competition is different, and the rewards should respect each
of those elements.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
How'd you say that with a straight face? Man? What
you know you're a bit yes?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Or when you can say that with a straight face,
that's Greg SANKEI on Martin McGee, let's get four and
you better like it, sir, because I'm not even sure
you deserve four. I'm with Bone on the whole Alabama thing.
The way they've played the last five games, the eye test,
I get why they're in there. And I also get
why Miami is in there as well. But I am
pretty sure bone not everybody is going to agree with
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the process the way it was handled. I'm sure there's
gonna be fans out there think Notre Dame got screwed.
Lord knows, they think they got screwed. The Leprechaun tiers
were a flowing yesterday out of South Bend, so we
got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You know what. The next comes to this play off?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
My prediction back on the next thing that SANKI will
get mad about. He's gonna want the He's gonna want no,
he's gonna want the something in the first round where
you can't play your own conference opponent. Probably right, he's
gonna come out and say should we have conferences playing
in the first round? Should Oklahoma really play Alabama and
the first round? That'll be his next time, That'll be
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his next thing.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, I didn't even think about it, because.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He's gonna want He's not gonna walt one of his
team's a woman in his other team, so he's gonna
try to stump for should we separate conference teams from
playing each other? That's my prediction on what's next.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'll tell you who got a good draw out of
the SEC Alabama to get in and not drop a
damn spot. I'm trying to figure that one out. But
how about Old Miss sticking there in the sixth spot
where you get to play against Tulane instead of the
seventh spot where A and M has to play Miami.
That's big for Old Miss. It's very close between Ole
Miss and A and M. Let's talk about it. Let's
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talk about the big stuff here. Did Notre Dame get screwed?
Bony I said it in the first hour. I would
have left Miami out. But if I would have left
Miami out bone that might have killed conference championship games. See,
there's political mumbo jumbo and crap that you get the
feeling the committee is factoring in where I'd just rather
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see them put in the best teams. Right, there's political
mumbo jumbo. The ACC would have been out entirely if
they didn't flip Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Did that play a role?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I just find myself questioning what are their real motives?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Why does Alabama not even drop a damn spot when
BYU drops It doesn't make any sense at that and
their explanation is absurd. Well, Texas Tech lost twice by
a lot of points, or by you lost by a
lot of points twice Texas Tech Georgia or Alabama beat
Georgia the first time before getting blown out. But what
does that matter? We're talking about this weekend, Like Alabama
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was ranked where they were and b why you were
ranked where they were?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It was because Alabama had beaten Georgia at Georgia. Why
do they get credit for it again? And you say
it's a reason why you didn't drop them. What happened
this weekend? Happened this weekend. They both lost the top
four teams Bone in blowout fashion. So I just I
don't get why Alabama couldn't drop but I find out
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to be ridiculous. But then again, Bone, if they drop Alabama,
then maybe they can't tell you that they finally came
up with the direct head to head comparison of Miami
and Notre Dame. So I just feel like I'm questioning
a lot of their processes.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And Notre Dame gets punished for losing to Miami and
in the head to head against Miami, obviously that would
make sense, right if you're going head to head Miami
despite how they got there, should be in if you're
going by head to head, what MATC was Florida State
not punished for losing a week one also to a
Western team.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You're saying, or Alabama not punished.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
For los Alabama looses to Florida State and that didn't
seem to really affect them.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They did it almost pathetic.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Loss your chance and make sure you go back and
watch Notre Dame Miami makes sense? Did they go back
and watch Alabama Florida State Week one? Because Alabama mack
had a good four week span Georgia Vandy, Missouri Tennessee.
No doubt, they didn't start the year well and certainly
from South Carolina on down where they almost lost that game.
They did not play well beginning of the year and
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really the draction the season from October twenty fifth on.
They got in some ugly games. Yeah they won some them,
but that was not vintage Bama this year. They had
a month where they were really good. Outside of that,
they have not been that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Ky Simpson's last four or five games whatever it is,
four touchdowns, five picks, Yep, he ain't the Golden Boy anymore.
And listen a lot of it wasn't his fault the
other day, he was under pressure. But anybody that's watched
Bama play over this last five weeks, Hi Simpson looks
specially anymore. And the problem is he has to be
special because they have no running game. They don't run
the ball well like a vintage Alabama team. I just
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the thing that's got me is all these little ins
and outs. How about what Hunter Yurachek, the committee had
said about that stretch. You're talking about bone which we
thought was better than it really turned out being. Missouri
and Tennessee are no longer ranked. But Hunter Yurachek, when
talking about why Alabama's in the playoff, brought up the
fact that they beat two teams that were ranked at
the time they played them. Why does that matter? What
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the hell does it matter if a team's ranked when
they play them. We now are in December. We now
can look at those teams and say, oh, they ain't
ranked anymore. Yeah, But so that I just they're reasoning
their process. I question all of that. I do, And
again I would have put Miami and Notre d Aymen.
But I feel like, listen to what Greg, what Greg
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McElroy is saying bone.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And this is what I hate about the committee.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It just feels like there's politics, there's agendas, there's a
process that is not It's just the fact that they're
not trustworthy, that they're just putting the best teams in
is what bothers me. Listen to McElroy because this is
probably why they were in bone.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I don't think the Committee wants to set a precedent
where they are de incentivizing participation in the conference championship game.
These conferences are very powerful. These conferences are very important.
And if you all of a sudden, from the committee standpoint,
are telling the SEC or the ACC or the Big ten,
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hey guys, yep, we are really gonna hold the teams
accountable that lose in the conference championship game, you're basically
telling teams not to play in the conference championship game.
So hypothetically, here, what would have happened yesterday if Alabama said,
you know what, guys, we're gonna opt out of the
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SEC championship game. We're not going to play. We're in
the field, we're in a good spot. We're not going
to play that game.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We don't need to. We're good, We're in.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I just feel like that's why Bama didn't drop that
Why well Bama didn't drop because then you could have
Notre Dame and Miami together and you can say, hey,
now we finally can put note you know, Miami over
no day, we couldn't compare the head to head because
that had a feisty, plucky little BYU team was in
a way.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But now they're next to each other, now we can.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's just I just don't like this the way the
committee goes about the process. Lynnwood's calling out how Miami
jumps Notre Dame and neither played. Does that make you
mad bony that knowed Miami, Because it's hard for me
to say, Man, how the heck does Miami jump Notre
Dame because they beat him head to head? I don't
think that was identical? Almost identical resumes bone, Yeah, and
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they beat him head to head. That it's hard for
me to like, free how do you freak out about that?
It's the way they got there. I think that that
causes the discontent with that one. I think it makes
sense when you look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It was just a weird way to get to the
problem and what the right call is by the way Max.
So Bama loses by twenty one, and as a Texter
accurately points out, because they take sacks into account.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Bama had minus d rushing guards. They didn't game.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
So you put in a team that lost by twenty one,
that lost to Florida State and not even close, and
they had minus three rushing guards in the championship game
and they don't they don't move anywhere. I mean there
offense lose by twenty one, you get smoke rolled, you
have minus three rushing guards and you just stay where
you are and BYU drops right, yes, and they lost
by a similar score.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And then I brought up last year. Everybody keep sang bone.
Even McElroy said it. That was on Always College Football,
by the way, yesterday. He was on the air for
four hours reacting and then they told him go to
a podcast podcast by yourself, And of course he pulled
it off. But Greg McCrory bought SMU. Last year. SMU
didn't fall out of the playoff, but they dropped two spots.
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If Bama dropped two spots, they would have been awed
to playoff. But they weren't gonna do that, right, Like,
it's just but why to SMU dropped two spots last year,
like to say, you can't be punished for losing in
your conference championship game. They did it to b YU
this year in SMU last year. It's just they didn't
drop SMU enough. So it's just stuff like that that
bothers me. I have a question back about this whole thing.
I don't even cut you off there. Where does the
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human common sense element take take part in this whole thing?
Because right now, the way they're playing neutral field, Notre
Dame Bama. Who's the better football team right now today?
Notre Dame were Bama. I said in the first hour,
I think Notre Dame in Miami would beat Alabama and
Oklahom both. I agree on a neutral side, I agree completely.
So but you know, how much is I test? How
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much is resume? You got to give them credit for
their resume? I personally was hoping to see Alabama out.
I understand why they didn't do it. I also think
if you're Notre Dame, you're pissed off about the group
of five situation. We'll talk about that in the next hour.
Like there's probably rule changes coming. The group of five
access is probably going to be restricted. It took herb
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Street and Rhys Davis Bone about ten seconds to start
talking about you got to put a barometer on these
group of five teams where they have to be in
the top fifteen or top twenty. Like, it didn't take
long for them to start politicking. Josh Pate was politicking.
Give the group of five their own playoffs. So we
got a lot to talk about with that. I do
want to talk about Notre Dame though, because I do
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have sympathy for him the way it played out, Bony,
But I think the way they handled it afterwards I
thought was pathetic. I thought was pathetic. They whined so
much and cried that ad Pete Bavakua and that whole
statement about the process and the way it happened. I
have to get these quotes and read them off because
they are so dramatic and over the top, and they
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skip a bowl game, and yeah, kind of wish they
would play in the bowl game, Bony. But my biggest
criticism is just the way they handled that. You lost
head to head against Miami, and for him to just
get as dramatic as he did and whiney as as
he could, I thought was a bad look for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I really did, man, Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I didn't love it either, and they've been really, I think,
mag different under Marcus Freeman. There's a respectability with him
as the leader, but that went out the window. Not
blaming him totally, but I feel like we kind of
got old school Notre Dame arrogance this weekend that we
haven't necessarily seen as much with Marcus Freeman's tenure. So, yeah,
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I did not. I did not love the And that's
not the ball game stuff. It's just the statements and
the words that we're said more than anything. Yeah, I
did not love how Notre Dame came across the Vaqua.
The ad called the process an absolute joke, said the
program was blindsided by its drop to first team out quote.
My feelings and the feelings here are just shocked and
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really an absolute sense of sadness for our student athletes,
like a collective feeling that we were all just punched in
the stomach. Bavaqua said. It's devastating. These young men deserve better.
There's no explanation that could possibly be given. He's talking
about dropping them when they both didn't play. We feel
like the playoff was stolen from our student athletes. Bone,
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I ain't that bright?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Right? We all don't agree on that. Ye, I ain't
that damn bright.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And I sat here on Friday and said, I really
feel like Bone, we could see Miami jump if BYU
loses and gets out of the way, the committee will
then use this logic that we do. Might that makes
sense their logic. But oh now they're side by side
in the rankings. Now we can apply head to head
and as exactly what they did.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So if my dim.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Witted self could figure out that was a possibility. You
mean to tell me, butavaqua, y'all didn't discuss that in
house that no one told the players, Hey, this could
have you know what I mean? Come on, This wasn't
anything that wasn't talked about by the talking heads ahead
of time. This was a possibility. Now does it make
sense that they didn't play neither team and Miami jumps them.
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You could definitely argue it didn't make sense and rip
their processes, like I think it was Joey Galloway right
that went in on it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, was it? You have that clip Fittie Galloway.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This is probably what a lot of people are thinking
it's probably what Notre Dame fans are thinking. I just
but to cry about it and act like this is
some great injustice. I mean, I just I can't buy it,
and it makes Notre Dame show their ass. Touchdown Jesus
right now is very upset that your ass is showing people.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Vaqua. But listen to this clip.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This is Joey Galloway asking how the hell did that
just happen.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, this is.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Very strange to me. And again, Reesel, you mentioned earlier
that they hadn't compared these two teams, Well why not.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
They shot humans there.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
They should have absolutely compared these two teams. We had
a ranking come on on Tuesday. If they were going
to flip these two teams that did not play, they
should have done it on Tuesday. Now, this Miami team,
the way they're playing the last few games, they are
a very good football team to have a chance to win,
just like any other team. But it is strange to
me that you have two teams that were sitting on
the couch yesterday that somehow flipped in their rankings.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So by the way Bavok was so a lot of
people are feeling that way, and I get that because again,
the process is.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Boned are the most annoying thing, but the what was
it gonna say?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So Bavakua says they should stop doing the weekly shows
and maybe they should think herbstream man m Street even
said that he doesn't want to be a part of
it anymore. He probably doesn't like being criticized every Wednesday.
He's not on there that much anymore, is he? He don't
they bring him in though? Did they bring him in?
I usually? But anyway, listen and maybe there's a point there.
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Although it's an entertainment products right at ESPN wants those
weekly shows. They want the drama, even if it's you know,
doesn't end up meeting anything in the end on the
week to week. But I got a great idea for you, Bavakua.
How about we make some changes. How About you join
an f and conference, join the ACC that look pretty
winnable this year until you run into the champs. Or
you could probably kill the ACC scheduling thing. You can
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probably kill that, and I'm afraid that maybe they will
try to kill that. Or you could beat Miami. There's
some options here where you could have got in things
that you can control. I will say this though, Bone
they probably don't have to join a conference because they
signed a memorandum of understanding. According to to uh Ross
Dellinger from Yahoo, they signed what was called a memoranm
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of understanding where if there's a twelve team playoff in
the future, if they don't move up, and they say
at twelve teams, Notre Dame in the top twelve goes
to the playoff regardless. So what would have happened is
Miami would have been bounced because Notre Dame is guaranteed
a spot if.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They're in the top ten.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
They seek down by us, then Bone you have if
they go to fourteen teams, all they have to do
is be in the tops are thirteen and they're guaranteed.
You want to talk about a controversy, imagine this if
it plays out like this, Miami beat Notre Dame head
to head, and Miami is ranked higher, and this could
happen next year, by the way, but they but Miami
can't go to the playoff because Notre Dame is locked
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in if they're in the top twelve. A deal that
no other individual institution has anything like. It had not
heard about that until this weekend. Yes, so that's they
digged on the down load. It was signed on the
down low. Ross Dellinger, Well, actually Dellinger didn't dig it up.
Pete Pavaqua volunteered that told the committee that it's like, oh,
so you got some sweetheart deal. It's unfair to the
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rest of the country moving forward. So explain to me
why you're crying right now like.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
A little baby.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
One of the leading voices of Notre Dame mac is very,
very upset at the ACC right now.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Shane Gillis is very I thought.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
You're talking about coach Pauli on the text Lote Janeyous said,
the ACC betrayed us. I don't know if you saw
their social media every day they were trashing Notre Dame.
After all the money we gave them, we bless them.
And this is how the CC watch Jesus, they go
pull that scheduling day and watch out.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Uh oh, that's another thing I thought of that that
also played a role here. Again, it's so messed up
the way the processes work. If the ACC had the
tiebreakers the way they should be, and highest ranked teams
was at least second behind head to head and the
tie breakers, Miami would have been in the ACC title game,
and if they beat Virginia, Notre Dame would have gone too.
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So like, there's so many ifs bones at play. It's wild,
it's crazy. Not everybody can make it. And that's what
I would tell Notre Dame. Take that little binkie out
your mouth, your damn babies, all right? Touchdown? Jesus is
shaking his head at the way you're handling.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Is this a way? Is a way?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Touchdown? Jesus wants you to handle adversity. How about sending
a message to the kids about handlingdversity? Oh no, the
message you sent to the kids at Notre Dame is
you whine like little babies when adversity hits when you
play victim.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh sorry, bud, when we come back.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Jordan Bianchi of the Athletic dot Com has the latest
on the NASCAR trial going on Sports Radio seven WFNZ.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ Back in Bone with you,
we are, I would say bone about seventeen minutes or
so away from delving into the Carolina Panthers and how
they got back to first place tied with the Tampa
Bay Bucks. Did less Did yesterday's game make you think? Oh? Yeah,
this division can be ours. Look at Baker, he ain't
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right physically. Look at the Bucks, they're stra they ain't themselves.
Or did it make us say, damn, I'm worried we
might lose Saints again.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Did it make you do both?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We will talk about your reactions to that game and
the Bucks getting stuffed five times on fourth down. God,
I was loving that yesterday. So anyway, what a fun
few weeks we got coming up as Panther fans. So
we'll talk about that coming back. Then we'll get back
start screaming again. At least I will Bone scream about
the playoff again. I'm sure I'm just ordering my title gear.
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I'm not even listening to you right now. Bones order
his acc title gear. But he's still I need to
get James or made in a T shirt too, here
while he deserves it. With all those texts he sent
ripping me, I think he deserves a gift from you
for that. But right now, though, Bone Man, we've got it.
I want to spend a few minutes talking about something
that has fascinated me, the articles about it, the tweets, heck,
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just the tweets of some of the interesting and salacious
things that have gone on in the courtroom or out
of the courtroom. And we're talking about the NASCAR trial
twenty three eleven, front Row Motorsports, the anti trust, the
monopoly accusations, the antitrust suit here and Jordan Bianki's been
covering it for the Athletic and I want to kind
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of let him take us inside the proceedings bone to
where this is headed, where he thinks it's headed, what's
been going on in that courtroom, Jordan Bianki joins us, Jordan,
we appreciate it. Did you ever think you would be
a court reporter like Doug lu Wellen from the People's Court?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Well, I mean, listen, I tell people the time you
cover sports, you're going to cover law. And I've covered
many of the cases over the years, but I will
say this, walking into a courtroom to cover each federal
case involving NASCAR versus essentially you know Michael Jordan's race
team that was never on my Bengo car to whatsoever,
and that is it has a very surreal feel. Last
Monday when this all began, you walk in, You're like,
is this really really happening? Seriously? And then you'd see
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jurors walking out of the courtroom if they were recused,
like pointing fingers at MJ and like giving them winks
and knives and all excited to be in his presence
and everything. And then Friday, when Michael Jordan took the
witness stand, which is crazy to think about Michael Jordan's
testifying in a federal probably you're like, wow, okay, this
is this is real, Like this is crazy. So yes,
covering a trial, no, actually covering a trial involving Michael
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Jordan's suing NASCAR, that was not something I ever foresaw.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think that's the point too, Like it's just it's
MJ's it's these big entities. How did the Jordan testimony go?
Was it seen as as really good? Do you think
for one side or the other?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
On Friday?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You know, I didn't know what to expect going in,
Like you didn't know if you're going to get angry
defiant Michael and this is why we're suing and you know,
you know what I'm talking about. But what we saw
was somebody who walked to the witness stand and as
he is named at Calders like this just quiet throughout
the courtroom, like oh wow, Okay, here's Michael Jordan, and
everybody's just kind of watching him obviously, and he gets
the witness stand and he makes a joke about how
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the seat on the seat the chair in the witness
stand is too small and he's a little taller, and
then he you know, they asked him his name and
he gives his name, and you know, and I will
say that the plaintiffs lawyer did a really good job
of you know you kind of guy asked background questions
and like, well you play sports at all? And he's like,
I played a little basketball. And then they're like did
you play in the NBA's like, yeah, I played for
the Chicago Bulls And she's like, well did you play
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for any other team? And she and he goes, I
like to forget about that team. And so he did
a really he did a really good job of kind
of just diffusing the situation, and he made a couple
of jokes, but he was very passionate. He explained that
he's been a long time NASCAR fan since he was
a kid. His dad used to take the family to races.
It means a lot to him. This is not a
vanity project for him, and essentially is that when he
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came into the sport, he came in under certain financial
terms that he didn't agree upon necessarily because it was
an old agreement. But as the new agreement was coming up,
he felt like he was in a position to kind
of shape and mold things going forward. And you know,
he looked around the room basically these other team owners
who had been in this for a long time, and they,
you know, they for what they are reasons, they they
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maybe couldn't push NASCAR as hard as they wanted to,
and MJ being MJ's like, I didn't feel like I
was in that position. I felt like I could just
push and posh basically, and I didn't like what was happening,
and somebody needed to stand up, and so he did. So.
It was an hour testimony. It was really nothing, no bombshells,
nothing sillacious, nothing on that. It was really matter of fact.
And it was really weird because even NASCAR's lawyer was
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kind of in a like basically sanbuling them. You know,
he's thinking a couple of jokes about it. Jay's a
great basketball player, and at the end, the lawyer goes,
I just want to thank you because my nine year
old son is going to think I'm really cool today
because I talked to you, and it's like, that's a
really weird thing. Yeah, that's a really weird thing for
like a defense lawyer to say to somebody that there's
you know, being suitfized. So yeah, exactly. So it was
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just a it was an interesting situation on Friday, but
it just kind of as like I said, it kind
of sets the overall scope of this case where it's
something that nobody ever foresaw happening.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jordan, did I see last week or did I read
it right?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Where a person in the process, the jury selection process
got kicked out because he was complaining about where NASCAR
is as a sport.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That did that happen?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Lat Yeah, there was a couple of fans who are
not happy about you know, NASCAR's direction and everything, and
they got recused.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
They couldn't help them.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
They could help themselves, you know. I was waiting for
someone to take a shot like the playoff format or
something like that, and no one did. But it was
interesting and they came up they found nine jurors without
any background of NASCAR really, so it was it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Hey, Jordan, this thing has gotten nasty too. Like you're
kind of showing us some of the lighter sides, right
that involve MJ and stuff. There was there was to
do with the boombox playing the old Alison Alan Parsons
project song that the Bulls used to come out to
in intros while Michael was walking in.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So there is a lot of like levity in this.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But I think it was your article last week in
The Athletic that talked about how just nasty some of
this has gotten. It got a bit contentious with Denny
Hamlin and the NASCAR attorneys, and then the stuff the
text messages that showed basically basically the commissioner NASCAR, Steve Phelps,
and some of the stuff he was saying in text
message about Richard Childress, you know, like basically calling him
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names and stuff like how much damage is this doing
to the sport? I can't help to read that stuff,
and wonder, man, why couldn't the two sides come to
agreement so all this nastiness could up?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You know what I mean? Is this hurting the sport?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
No, it's one hundred percent hurting the sport. I mean,
and you're looking at this and you're looking all the
money spent on legal fees and everything else. And you're like,
we couldn't have just pulled back from this and tried
to figure out a way to settle this, and everybody
could have walked away with enough piece of the pie
and be happy. And I will say this, and I'm
not trying to send NASCAR in this instance, but NASCAR
tried really really hard to get a settlement to the
finish line, and there was a couple of moments where
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they felt like they were close. For various reasons, they
couldn't do that. NASCAR tried really really hard to do that.
I will say this is something that could have been
nipped in the buz three years ago, two years ago,
as these negotiations were ongoing, if NASCAR would have made
it's offer basically for permanent charters and given the team's
permanent charters three years ago when negotiations started, or two
years ago when negotiations really heated up, our a year
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ago when this was getting finalized, this we wouldn't be
here today. And then to ask you your question about
kind of the health of the sport it is helping
or hurting. This is hurting. I don't know how you
don't think this is hurting when you're in the headlines,
your sports in the headlines are being sued by Michael
Jordan federal port. That's not a good thing. And then
I look at the spectra of the twenty twenty five
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NASCAR season and it was like this big black cloud
in the background that just kind of hung over the sport.
It didn't matter what was going on on the racetrack
or everything like that. Everyone was always just talking about lossuit,
this lawsuit that, And even when there was good things
that were happening, you still in your back of your
mind are like, oh, we got that lossup coming up.
And so there's always questions about it. There's filings, there's motions,
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there's texts, there's emails coming out, all of these things.
It's not a good thing to have this black cloud
hanging over it. And I'll take it even further, is
whatever the outcome of this is, let's say NASCAR loses
this trial, they're going to appeal, and so this isn't
going anywhere. This is going to continue to hang over
the sport for the foreseeable future. I just don't see
how that's a good thing for anybody involved.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, so real quick, I want to get you out
of here on this, but just real quick, give us
a quick thought, like if NASCAR ends up winning this,
like does Jordan and Denny Hamlin's twenty three eleven do
they like pack up shop? Like do you think they
just leave the sport? And then if the on the
flip side, what's the result and the repercussions If twenty
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three eleven in front Row beat NASCAR in this.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
It's bad either way. And so we'll start the first
part of it. If NASCAR wins this lawsuit, I can
confidently say Front Row Motorsports and twenty three eleven are
out of the sport. They don't have their charters. They
need those charters to compete on a reasonable financial level,
and so they have effectively said if we don't have
those charters, we can't raise. If they lose this lawsuit,
they're not going to have charters, and you connect the dots,
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that means they're done. That's a big blow for NASCAR.
Say what you will about this lawsuit. Whatever. Michael Jordan's
come into the sport for the last five years, He's
invested heavily into his race team twenty eleven. He's built
a competitive consistently competitive race team. They nearly won the
championship in twenty twenty four. You, if you will have
somebody like that in your sport, regardless of it's Michael Jordan,
you want to keep them. And then adding the fact
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that it's Michael Jordan, you certainly want to keep him
here in the sport. That's good for business. Now. Conversely,
if NASCAR loses, NASCAR fundamentally will likely shift. Depending on
the damages, the judge could award up to three hundred
and plus million dollars in damages. He could also order
NASCAR to sell its tracks. There's all sorts of other
stuff that he could issue as well. The likelihood is
that there's going to be some penalty that's going to
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be felt on NASCAR, not even beyond just financially and
what they're paying on lawyer sties and everything else, that
will significantly alter the shape of the sport that's operated
in a very certain way for seventy seven years, and
you start changing that fundamentally, how you go forward is
going to be very very different. And so however this
ends up, the NASCAR that we know a hearing today
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now is going to be different.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, that's great stuff, Jordan, and your articles are great,
Jordan Bianki, if you because we have people kind of
asking questions about this.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
This is the ultimate like fans need.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You guys as and gals as reporters in there to
kind of let us know what's going on. Read Jordan
Bianki's coverage of the trial, which is continuing this week
here in Charlotte at Theathletic dot com.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thank you, Jordan, Appreciate.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
You man, Thank you, guys, Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Thanks store. There you go. That is Jordan Bianchi.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Somebody asked a really simple fascinating thing here from a
both a long term NASCAR thing and also the comedic
elements that are going on at this whole entire thing.
And think about that NASCAR, like Jordan, if Jordan leaves
the sport, like NASCAR wins the case. But this big figure,
larger than life figure, right, like, so does NASCAR really win?
Someone asked a really basic question, what is the issue
(29:41):
in this? And maybe I should have done a better
job kind of setting that up. It's an anti trust
lawsuit two race teams twenty three to eleven, owned by
Hamlin and Jordan front Row Motorsports against NASCAR claiming that
NASCAR opoly operates as a monopoly, that they set these terms,
tell the teams take or leave it, and there's no
other national stock car you know what I mean, body
(30:04):
where they can go compete in like this, and specifically
that charter system that they want uh permanent charters, and
they want more of the revenue. You know that they
want the teams to get more of the revenue from
the sports. So it is interesting, and you're right, Bone,
some of the silliness has cracked me up. Man. The
guy I don't know if it's smoked blood wig or not,
(30:25):
but the guy who at least on two days has
played that Bana that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Song, Well, that sounded like what that sound like?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
That?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Sound like?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
That?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Sound like dueling Banjos? How does the song? Why would
that be a NASCAR I don't answer that. How does
the song go? What am I trying?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
How does it go?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But that sounds like dueling Banjos? No, you're thinking of
the Bull song. That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to
do the Bull song. I'm trying to do Alan Parsons project,
but it's coming out when I hum it as dueling
brand the messed up can anybody hum the Alan Parsons
project put a damn down bone but a boom boom?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is that it? I feel like flower than that.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
If I was calid like John, I'm trying to do
the song that plays. When that plays, that's what whoever
this site used to like the outside the Courthouk in
the middle car right, Carl right, that was an amazing
I would get goosebumps when that song played. Not necessarily
(31:27):
when I hummed the song here it is somehow I
hummed this and it sounded like that's what I was
going for right there, but I made it sound more
like dueling Banjos. This was goosebumps. This is the greatest
intro in sports history for a team, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
If I was asking MJ questions so while he was
on the stand, I wouldn't ask anything about Nascar. I
would say, MJ, is it true that you, sir, left
Isaiah Thomas off the dream too? It was your fault.
Oh man, give you a little beat box here, Mack.
We'd go to give you a beat box right now.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Beat box. Yeah, give me a lidle beatbox. How am
I gonna beat? Just did not to turn down that
song and this's nothing to do with that. Give you
a old beat box.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yess who's back back again?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Panthers in first? Yeah, may tell your friends.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah maybe Ford for Monday Sports Radio ninety WFZ. How
crushing wass was this? Faker sucks?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
I felt like we just gave it away or didn't
make the plays to uh to win it. Just too
many mistakes and conditions aren't an excuse because they had
to play them too, So none of that matters. Just
a matter of making the place in plays that guys
have made a bunch of bunch of times. Yeah, you
gotta ask you.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh that's all Baker Mayfit. I don't think you made
the plays. Bank, I do not think you made the
plays at fourteen of third completions and listen. I mean
I shouldn't be too much of an ask to Baker
Mayfield bone. I can't help myself. The Panthers are now
tied for first because the Bucks lost to the Saints.
But he's clearly playing through an injury, which we'd expect
(33:14):
him to do because he is a damn gladiator. But
he does not appear to be at his best. His guy,
Mecca Buca let him down by dropping what it looked
like a pretty easy catch bone for a touchdown. They
failed five times on fourth down. Uh, it was amazing
(33:35):
to watch. I'm yelling, whod at bone? I'm going crazy.
I've never rooted for the Saints like that. I felt
a little dirty, but I did it anyway for the
better good, better min of the Panthers. It was a
fun game to watch yesterday on a BIE week Sunday Bony.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, and that's the one thing that we said about
the Buccaneers schedule. A lot of times, it's Atlanta that
that gives them problems, and maybe hopefully this week on Thursday,
they do. But I feel like mac division, the Buccaneers do,
even when they're really good, they kind of do get
pushed by the Saints and the Falcons with a bit
so that it's it's shocking that it happened, but historically
(34:11):
they they do play down to those teams, and they
may again on Thursday, for all we know, against Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Although Atlanta is Atlanta's not playing as well as the
Saints right now.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Honestly, Atlanta Seattle did damn in man. Seattle's good. They
can't come here. They are good. But anyway, yeah, you
don't know if Atlanta just literally is mailing it in
at this point. Yes, to see Thursday night the Bucks.
I don't like the Bucks getting a mini buy before US.
I don't like them having that extended time before US.
But I do like the fact that the Bucks lost
yesterday and the division's tied. And look at the way
(34:42):
the Bucks have been playing lately. Man, this is maybe
it shouldn't come at some big shock what happened yesterday
at home in the elements against the Saints. They're now
two and five in their last seven. They are two
and five. Yep, they will get Mike Evans back, there's
no doubt about it. But now the whole side of
their whole left sid other offensive lines out because Bettison
went out yesterday with along with were Wurfs, who's been out.
(35:07):
Baker Mayfield's playing through an injury, and does it look
like himself this team Bone in the last four games
have given has given up twenty nine point over twenty
nine points a game defensively, and Baker Mayfield in the
last four games. This goes back to even before the
injury in the Rams game is last four games, four
touchdowns and four picks. This team is there for the
(35:27):
damn taking bone. I don't know if we're consistent of
I don't know if we're ready to do this as
an organization, but damn this team, the Bucks are begging
us to come take our damn title at we won fortune.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
And I also point out that the Buccaneers, they do
play Atlanta and the Panthers twice. That game at Miami.
Between the Panther games, we have Seattle between and they
have at Miami. Miami's won four to row five of six.
They play Pittsburgh and Cincinnati before to up. Uh, there's
(36:00):
a very good chance that Miami enters that Tampa game
eight and seven for playing for something, so a game
that we woked out weeks ago as Iowa o their schedule. Dez,
if you're going to lose the Saints at home, you
could definitely lose to Miami right now on the road.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All that's a great point. That is a great point.
Maybe it's not that.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Maybe the Falcons don't have anything left, and if that's
the case, we'll just laughing. Sorry Falcons, But like, yeah,
the Miami one, they are clearly hitting stride and clearly
a different team.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's a good call there too.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
It's listen, do I still think the odds are that
we like, split them, split with them? Yeah, but I
just have to cite how pedestrian this damn Tampa team
is compared to even the ones to listen. I know
they've always won the lowly South Bunk understand that.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But this team is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
A shell of what they were last year or the
year before that, aren't they? I mean that's so that
gives you so much encouragement. I will say this, it does, though,
there is another side to it. The Saints, like you said,
ain't Quintin and Tyler Shuck, who we made look like
Joe Montana, Tyler Shuckbuhne, whether it's running the run plays
does they dude? They did a design run with him.
(37:11):
He ran in for like a thirty yard touchdown. Tyler
Shuck's got something. He's got a little bit of moxie.
I don't think it is going to be a walk
in the park on Sunday down there in New Orleans
like that. I will say, this is going to make
me more worried about the Saints game, but it is
going to make me more hopeful about those Bucks.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Games, because there's there's two versions of bad teams at
this point. There's the bad teams that are feisty and playing,
and then there's the teams that are mailing in. And
right now the Falcons and Saints are on the opposite
side of that. Right now, it feels like the Falcons
cannot wait to end the season, and the Saints right now,
despite their record not being good, it feels like the
Saints are playing it out and playing hard for their
(37:51):
first year coach Kellen Moore. Panther's still favored by two
and a half on Sunday. I don't know if that
would change or not because the Saints won on the road,
but interesting still two and a half points. My man,
Papa John says, I know we're two weeks away from
the Bucks. Let's not get Baker any bulletin board material.
He will use that and torch us. I did find
myself pulling for the Inks, but I had to shower
(38:11):
after the game.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
He's not gonna He's not gonna hear what we said, sir.
I don't think were the thing. Do I want Panther
players talking trash about the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Probably not, but I don't think Bone.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Do you think they listened to the local radio yokels
over there and post clips from the Mack and Bone Show.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, No, I'm pretty sure they don't.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
We can't see anything worse on this show than we
said about Baker when he played here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He knows.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
By the way, you mentioned the Buccaneers Mac winning a
division that was bad, a division championship that was bad
multiple times. The worst thing is a fan or somebody
that's going to brag about winning a championship over the
competition that they played.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
By the way, my Duke gears on the way in here.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Y'all won the NFC South of College of Power for Conferences.
But unlike the NFC South, the division winner doesn't necess
penally get in there.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Bone.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Unfortunately for your Duke squad, this coach k would have
made a call.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
We could have gotten this thing.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
This.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
He knows people at the highest levels this even we
did think it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Was worth his time and any lost five games, let's
see here, Panther Fanatics. As an old elderly man, Panther
Fanatics says, we got three of four remaining games. I
think we got to get three of the four remaining
I think we got to beat New Orleans and the
Bucks twice. The thing about the Bucks situation now is
I previously thought we had to get them twice bone
(39:32):
because of division tiebreaker, but that was assuming wrongfully that
they would beat New Orleans and Atlanta and beat us
in the division record tiebreaker. Right now, we're tied in
the division record tiebreaker, so if we split with them
and we currently have the lead in conference record, although
that Seattle game could hurt us in conference record, so
there's some sort now to do down the line with
(39:54):
tie breakers. But it did open up the possibility of
splitting with them and maybe winning the tiebreaker. Where we
before the Saints loss that that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
We've have as if the Buccaneers lose two of the
last four, both road games at the Panthers and at Miami,
that's that's definitely possible.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And what do we do.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We would beat New Orleans, beat Tampa because I just
said that, lose Seattle and then lose Seattle, so we
both end up nine and eight. Yeah, division record would
be the same. Conference record I think would then be
the same. And now you've lost me. Where do we
go next? Where do we go.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Next?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Where is that where Notre Dame gets in the NFL playoff?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Is China? Or am I getting things confused today? Duke
thinking a spot? Could they beat James Maatison? There you go?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
So I just got a text back from Greg Sankie.
He said, in that case, an SEC team gets in
w's the South.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Okay, Yeah, clearly, clearly that's what ends up happening. Common
opponents next, Well, now I gotta do more research. I
didn't know there'd be more pans.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
But yeah, that's a tough one because that Miami game
could throw a whole other out that the game between
the games of Panthers Bucks are gonna be huge now
because we thought Miami would just not be something for Tampa.
Now they are. So Seattle and Miami games are going
to be massive in this whole.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, and the Seattle game is big for us because
this conference game and conference records in there as a tiebreaker. Yeah,
you guys are right, common opponents. So I'll have to
look it up during the break. Where would we then
stand in common opponents? Tar Heel Pete, I think it
was is mad at us. You guys act like we
can't beat Seattle. I'm pretty sure we have said that
after last week's game, like we can beat anybody, we
(41:42):
can beat Seattle. But there's a very good chance we don't.
They look like one of the best teams in the end.
So we're just we're just talking.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
We just talking.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Is I'm trying to be I don't think the Panthers
will go four and oh, so I'm trying to they
go three and one. I'm trying to be fair, and
I just look at Seattle up. That was just the
example for discussion.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
What more likely three and one the Saints in sweeping
the Bucks or the Saints split with the Bucks and
beat Seattle.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's an interesting conversation. Yees, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
The Saints look definitively like a worse team than Seattle
right now. But to the guy's point, they beat the Rams,
they beat the Packers, who are, by the way they
beat the Rams are the number one seed and the Packers,
who are after beating the Bears, are now the two seeds. Yeah,
they don't want the Panthers in the playoffs because they
could beat all these teams. They can beat any of
these teams. We're not saying they can't when we come back.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
More college football playoff bracket reaction, including jmu In over
Duke Notre Dame whining and what changes will this make?
You can tell matc rot that. Sports Radio ninety two
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