December 29, 2025 • 44 mins
In the second hour, Mac & Bone lay blame to the parties most involved in the loss yesterday to the Seahawks, which cost the team a chance to clinch the NFC South, Jim Szoke joins for a view from the booth, and they play audio of Dave Canales, Derrick Brown, Jaycee Horn, & others after the loss
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, just trying to trying to isolate the safeties maybe
(00:24):
one on one in the middle of the field. They
did a great job matching us on the outside, and uh,
you know, coach McDonald did a great job of mixing
the types of coverages. Played a little bit more man
than they had shown on film, so you know, where
we're trying to attack some of the fire zones and
different things like that. We shifted to some more runaway
type of concepts in case they threw the man out there.
(00:46):
So I think it's just a combination of things, you know,
dialing in when they are making this transition, where are
those odd balls coming from? And making sure we can
execute in those spots.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That was Dave canalis answering to question every Panther fan
had after the game, what the hell could we not
pass it downfield? The longest pass play yesterday? And it
is time for the blame game. We altered we basically
alternate every other Monday, Bone is either the credit game
or the blame game. Why did we win or why
the hell did we lose? And this week is the
(01:19):
bad version of it. After the Seahawks beat the Panthers
twenty seven, to ten and the Panthers throw for fifty
four yards. Bone The longest pass play was the throw
into the flat to Chewba Hubbard for eight yards. That
was the longest pass play. Bryce Youngbone completed zero passes
that traveled ten yards or more in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The air yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
My god.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And here's the thing that sucks about it is we
have seen this movie before. I mentioned it in the
first hour. Look at the common link bone between the
losses to New Orleans on the road or no New
Orleans at home, San Francisco on the road, and then
Seattle home. We could not pass the ball downfield. And
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we're all saying, what are we doing? What's the game
plan whatever these teams are able to do to take
the downfield passing game away.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We have like no counter for it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, Dave Canalis after the game says, man, they
gave more man coverage than we expected and that surprised us.
Maybe you shouldn't admit that because it sounds like McDonald
and company completely out coached you and Braditsick company.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
It's one of the ugliest box scores offensively you'll ever see.
Like it's almost like it's almost like they stopped taking
stats back after like a couple of drives. The fact
that the leading wide out had sixteen yards in the
game was Cocher. Mike Jackson had the most yards. Didn't
he technically speaking on a catch on the interception? Like
Mike Jackson led the team in receiving yards. Didn't he
from his Donald pick? Well, he didn't have any yards
(02:53):
on it, but he did run all the Yeah, you're right,
you're right your I was thinking he ran all the
way out.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You're right right.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It's just such a nasty, wooking box score there. I mean,
I'm just looking at it in awe like a horror
movie right now. It's so bad. And the offense and
the lack of passing yesterday, Fitty and I were noticing
this really took the steam out of the crowd.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
By the time we got the same thing happened in
New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The offense was down that day as well, not quite
this bad, but it felt like there was a point
in the game where the crowd sort of understood like, oh,
it's one of these days. Completely deflated by just no
passing down field, stalled drives, the crowd was ready to
go on it's ear man, Tampa's losing, we all know it.
And then the offense doing nothing. Just the second half
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crowd was like, oh, it's one of the Well, it's
a it's an off week.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They're off this week.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I still thought you y'all were bringing it when they
cut it to a seven point game. When they cut
it to a seven point fame the face rough and
we get that delay a game and it's third and
twenty one. Y'all were loud as hell. But but the J. C.
Horn face mask was killer man. Your hands down there,
keep your hands down, Like was it ticky tack? Yeah,
(04:05):
but he does have a propensity boned to have Tomit penalties.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He's got a reputation.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I gotta be honest. There was one earlier they documented
on the broadcast. When I went home and rewatched it
last night, there could have been a face mask on
one earlier where he took down Smith and Jigba. There
could have been a PI on the incompletion cup in
the end zone. He put his hands around. He likes
that hands around your hip. When we did we did,
we did move so they did. They were letting our
some of our guys play a little wait yeah yeah,
(04:30):
jac didn't get away with that one, and it was
killer man like.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Me in a day at Texas Roadhouse. Mac.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, I want to see more involved, and it
feels like they yesterday they had a couple anybody that
catches a pass, well, it feels like they have like
a quota on Jimmy Horn place by they tried to
get one or two in Can we try to maybe
on a day like yesterday, when they're getting nothing out
of the wideouts, Seattle's rearing back and dominating on defense,
the tight ends are doing nothing, can we maybe try
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to get Jimmy Horn in space a little more than
one or two times a game. It feels like they
have like one or two and then they don't do
anything else with them. Can we try to get him
involved and try to race them open here place? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think they view him as a gadget guy right,
a game changer, you know what I mean, special plays
for him and stuff like that. But I do know
that the run, he should have got more yards, He
should have cut it up inside and he tried to bounce.
We did that a bunch of times just today. Even
Bryce did that on a run where we if we
just go vertical and take what we can get. We
can get more yards, but instead we try to bounce
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and we lose yards. That was a little frustrating, But yeah,
I like Horn getting involved Bone, and I liked it
when we threw to him in the flat. He was
actually the only guy to get a ball on the
flat and was able to run around somebody. Right, Seattle
did an amazing job of making us throw the check
down and tackling like crazy, rallying and tackling like crazy.
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And that is the thing I do want to talk
about today. Seattle's defense is amazing, Like that wasn't a
one off. That defense was amazing. I know the Rams
lit him up pretty good. But what that defense has
done this year, Bone does We do need some perspective now.
The thing that that is the catch here is, like
I said, we've seen the Panthers look impotent on offense
with no ability to throw it downfield multiple times here
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over the last six weeks or so. When they look bad,
it seems like that's a common denominator. And when would
the bad Panthers show up. It's usually on offense. The
Panthers Bone are giving up twenty one points a game
in our last four losses where we alternate and but
they're scoring ten point eight.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's on the offense.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
When we don't win these games, it's ugly and the
offense has a long way to go. And we'll have
a conversation today about what's what, you know, what do
we need to do to get it to the next level.
But I just want to say this about Seattle's defense
because I haven't heard enough people just acknowledge how good
they are. They're second in points per game allowed second
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and yards per play, first in points per play allowed first,
and yards per carry first, and yards per attempt passing
third and yards per rush six and turnovers per game
force and seventh in yards per game allowed. That is
a badass group and are a super Bowl caliber team.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They lost, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Our offense, and I have questions about their offense. I
have questions about Sam and whether they have enough pass
catchers outside of Injigba. But like that defense is elite,
So I just that can't be lost here. Man, You
know what I mean, William, You're not ready to like,
I don't know if y'all noticed, our offense ain't exactly elite. Yeah,
Warrens has found the fountain of views of fraud. William like,
(07:32):
they have every level covered on that defense. Secondary is
very good that that Right now, Seattle and Houston are
playing I think the best football in the league, and
it all starts with their defense. But that's back why
despite the frustrations of yesterday, there's such reason for hope.
We didn't lose to the operation that's trying to play
things out like Miami is down there yesterday, like the
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Panthers can. Yes, it's not good to analyze it, but
they lost to a contending team that is right there
with the best in football. We didn't lose to a
team that's the equivalent of the ace vent Tua Dolphins.
TC says Seattle's defense is good, but not holding you
to fifty six passing yards?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Good?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was it fifty four? I though it was fifty four?
Did he just give us two extra hold on a second?
Now it was fifty four? Gave us two extra pass
yards for Christmas? We got to be honest, TC, No
one in the NFL should make your passing game look
that impotent. Nobody should, right, But I don't know if
you all noticed. Our passing game is still a damn
work in progress, like it still has the ability to
(08:35):
look like complete cheeks. And that's what I'm trying to say.
We're getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Bone.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
The defense was amazing yesterday and kept us in it.
And it's criminal the lack of support we gave that
damn defense yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It's a shame and it's criminal that y'all as fans
were just showing up bringing it like the old days
and that offense goes out there in place like that.
But this offense clearly is not there yet. And we'll
have a conversation about it today. Does Dave have to
give up play calling? Do you want Bryce out? I
just saw the latest get rid of Bryce thing. Bray
(09:08):
Shung had just played a five game stretch with a
one oh seven rating, ten touchdowns and two picks. And
by the way, in these wins lately, he's been hitting
deep passes that had been huge. Remember the Rams game,
remember the Bucks game. So like, it's just it's an
inconsistent it's not good enough to be consistent. The receivers
are young. This texta says we don't have a damn
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receiver that can get open in man coverage. It looked
to me often like guys were just not open. It
looked to me often bone like the protection didn't hold
up up front. The shame is that Rico ran it
pretty well for them. I mean, it's not a shame,
(09:50):
but he has not run the ball that well in
a month ards of carry.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yesterday he ran hard, and he looked like he was
fresh yesterday, like he ran he ran like Rico midseason.
So I think that's a good development as we go
into this must win game against Tampa. What's not a
good development, Mac is the numbers on league get Besides
blocking he had the football awareness, the lack of production.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Mcleague.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Gett has four catches in December, and we're not exactly
early December here, that's the end of the month for him.
Four catches in December. How about this splits number here
at home this year in home games, he's got nine
catches for seventy five yards at home game. In home games,
so he's got twenty three for two sixty six on
the road, but at home he's got nine for seventy
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five and his biggest play at home twenty four yards
from a first round draft choice. I'm sorry, I don't
like to use the word bust a lot, but if
you use that for a lee get, I can't blame
he's cut it in that direction.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And again I said it in the first hour.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm not sure he should be on the team next year,
and we don't have much more than two receivers a man,
I know. So anyway, there needs to be personnel editions
on offense and on defense. But the defense really played
great yesterday, and the defense has been doing a lot
of good things Bone during this up and down stretch.
They really have what the offense seems to be the
most up and down unit. It really does. Randall says,
(11:10):
Bryce is still your guy. Mack, tell me again about
Bryce versus CAC from last year. Bryce, ain't it, brother,
But I just told you about the way he played
in the last five games. Bryce is inconsistent. Do I
know Bone if he's the guy that gets us, you know,
a Super Bowl or something like that. No, I definitely don't.
But do I think he's the quarterback next year?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I do. Do I know that Dave Canalis is the
play caller to get us a Super Bowl? No, I don't,
but I think he'll probably be the play caller next year.
But I so listen, like it's frustrating to watch this
team when they look bad on offense. It feels like
it really stinks like a like a baby's diaper that
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had been in a trash cam bone for six weeks.
That's what That's what this offense stinks like when it does.
But again, this is progress. I'm old enough to remember
when this offense looked like that a majority of the time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Now it's every other week.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
It was the sixth lowest passing yard game in Panther history.
Now the difference back is in the previous five. The
Panthers won three of those five somehow, Mac and the
worst Panther game passing games the Panther history, the top
two they won those games. Number one, you called it
the game where Chris Winky played against Atlanta and they
did direct snaps to the angel. I believe it was
(12:25):
he threw for thirty two yards that day. They won
the football game. Sam Darnold had forty three in the
last game of the twenty twenty two season and they
beat New Orleans so and the two worst passing games
and Panther history, they're two and zo. Brandy Fasani also
had one the Butarski specials in there too. It was
Bryce's worst game in terms of rating forty five. Who's
(12:46):
Bryce's worst game or no, second worst, second worst EPA
per drop back?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Ever, it was ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
But I also wonder if you go through the all
twenty two, are there guys that were getting separations? There
was not even two banket that's a good secondary. Did
they have it blanketed? The other question is there were
a couple times when I saw guys come free and
then I realized, oh crap, Bryce is under pressure right now,
can't get it out there to them.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yep, that happened. T mac Bone beat.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
His guy on the right side on a go, but
by that point Mafey had beaten Moten I think for
the sack. And then the very next play was this
or it might have been Lawrence Laura's and Mafey back
to back sacks and that was one of them. And
it's like, so it doesn't do you any good. Bone
if guys are coming free, Bryce is won the throat,
but shoot him under pressure. I got to run for
my life. That felt like that was happening at times too.
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So it was just it was a team effort to
break down the Bryce interception was not a good throw
at all. I can't sit there and deny that. All
you do is hope the good Panthers show up. The
Bucks defense is a twenty six passing defense in the NFL.
It is it is a It's not even in the
same league as what we just watched it humping. So
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if Bryce Young comes out and we can't pass the
ball downfield against that garbage ass Bucks defense, well then
I'm gonna come on to the next Monday lose my mind.
But I anticipate Bryce Young will bounce back, and I
honestly anticipate the Panthers will bounce back as well.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I do.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
He's been inconsistent, But let's not act like Bryce has
been playing that bad all the time lately.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It is inconsistent. You're a mac.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
NFL Countdown yesterday did a ten minute breakdown of Bryce's
season so far compared Tom to Steph Curry. So they
did that before the game yesterday, So yesterday was bad.
But on that same special yesterday, they pointed out Mackers
Rice has the third most touchdown passes this year under
pressure in the league with seven. Yeah, pretty good stat
He's handled it well well. Williams was up there to
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play the fourth righted deep passer in the league. It's
just some teams have taken it away and we're not
even attempting to throw it down them, probably because he
doesn't want to force it into coverage downfield, so he
just takes the checkdown, you know, but he can throw it,
but it's got to be there.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We got to get guys open.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I really think Kanala should not have admitted how how
much they were surprised by Seattle playing so much man,
because that feels like man, y'all got one pulled over
on you, had no recourse, had no damn response as
a coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But like, here's another one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Hurricane Hugos is talking about, canalist give up the play calling?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Who they gonna give it to?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Iticks never called play in his life, and they'll complain
about him, like what, so you know, I'm not saying
if you wanted to do it in the off season,
maybe it turns out like Nick Sirianni. Nick Sirianni gave
up the play calling. It's worked out beautifully for them,
although they've had their offensive struggles this year too, but
they won a Super Bowl right after he did it.
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Most offensive head coaches until the Calvary is coming for
their job, they don't give up offensive play calling because
most offensive head coaches, like Dave, being an offensive coordinator
is how they got their head coaching job, so they
want to do it. That's how they got the head
coaching job. They don't want to give it up, right right, Yeah,
they don't want to trust someone else with it. I'm
the one that got this opportunity because of my years
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as it was. And again, and he probably got hired
a little too quickly as a head coach in some
ways where he only got to be a coordinator for
one year and it was mixed results in Tampa. His
quarterback did work with Baker was tremendous. But I think
the play calling. Anybody you here in Tampa talk about it,
I think the play call, I think he I think
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he was he was learning on the job, and I
still think there's an element right now of him learning
on the job as well.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And if they did they didn't make a change, would
it be Inzick or would they turn to a guy
like Jim Caldwell who's got so much experience at goal point?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Would he go outside. Yeah, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But here, but again, it's like, it's not it's not
the norm for offensive minded coaches to not call plays.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, it's just it's not. It's an overwhelming percentage that
do That would be like Matt giving up doing ads
on the radio. Now, Mac made his marked by doing
adds speaking of that, We're gonna go to break right now.
We're gonna bring when we come back. Jim Zokie pant
Thes and ECU Radio Networks, that's gonna give us His
reaction to both results over the weekend. Sports Radio seven
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w FNZ, Sports Radio ninety two seven w f n Z.
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It is time for a view from the Booth from
Jim Zochi and Zoke. The bone Man tells me that
they actually had a view of you in the booth
yesterday on the TV broadcast.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Apparently it was ECU game, was it or was it
this game?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Which game? Was it CU game? I thought all the
lawyer talk about the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh no, they showed the coaches box in the ECU
game and Zochie was bundled up in the box next
to the next to the coach.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh, it's possible I did not fully listen to has
that ever happened before? My listening is about game sin today, Joe,
I'm Joe was thinking as the Panthers offense was yesterday.
I was even wondering because I'm like I saw Zoake
in the press box. But anyway, all right, let's get
to it. Enough about my mistakes, let's talk about the Panthers' mistakes.
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Let's focus on those. So A, there's a common thread
here and the four losses in the last eight games,
there's a common thread. The offense has not shown up.
They averaged ten point eight points a game in those games.
And there's also another common thread. Three of those losses,
we were leaving the game saying, man, we couldn't get
the ball downfield at all?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Were we trying? What was going on there?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
What the heck do you think is happening to the
passing game when the bad version shows up?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Now, you're right.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
And the defense I thought played well enough to win
the game yes year, Vet and the points they gave
up were on short field with turnovers or the fourth
down that they didn't pick up with the offensive side there,
And there was a lot of chatter out obviously, afterwards
about the way the secondary for Seattle played more than
they expected, more man defense and that kind of thing.
But you think adjustments would come and you would do
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something to be able to get some passes downfield. Our
longest completion of the day was eight yards for the
entire game, and of course we only had fifty four
yards passing, so that makes sense. But they just seem
to not be able to solve what Seattle was doing defensively.
And Seattle does what they always do, which they're really
good about getting interior pressure, and they're able to get
pressure without really blitzing. I mean, they're just a team
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that they'll probably send five at the most or whatever,
but just all year. And I really do begin with,
you know, saying Seattle's a good team. They're thirteen and three,
And I think that was the biggest problem is you
were playing a really good team also playing a really
good game that day, Like we beat the Rams, and
we figured out how to make them not play so well.
But in this case, Seattle played well. But the defense,
I thought, you know, held Darnold and check got three sacks,
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got a couple turnovers on them, held them to one
hundred and forty seven yards passing, So I thought the
defense did really what it would take to win the
game yesterday. But to your point about the offense couldn't
solve anything downfield outside a Rico, wasn't much of anything
in the running game yesterday. So it was the old
win one, lose one and when we do, you lose.
It's just like the offense. I mean, in the season,
we've seen Bryce Young throw for four hundred and fifty
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yards and then throw for fifty yards in the same season,
So I mean just the highs and lows. I mean,
it's just like it's all ends of the spectrum as
far as how we can play, and just was not
able to unlock that yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Where do you put most of the blame? Is it
on brought for yesterday? Is it on Bryce? Is it
on the play calling? Or is it a lot of
it on Seattle?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Just that good also, I mean I start with Seattle,
but I think too like you do have to solve
things as you go along if you have an expectation.
That's part of coaching and playing football is not always
being who you are as far as the type of
style that you play every week, because that's where you
can win matchups because you can't play the exact same
way every week.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Teams will figure out what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
And some of that we say it's Bryce, and some
of it is on the receivers helping out Bryce.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, you got to figure out ways to get open.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
And in Tenoro McMillan mentioned that in the postgame show
as well, So he obviously was dealing with an illness
to what to read the coaching staff and everyone said
it wasn't a big factor, but you would expect them
to say that no matter what. So I don't know
what his health was overall, coming up on the injury
list earlier in the day with the illness, but he
says one catch for five yards and come to the
fourth quarter, So that was for whatever reason, was just
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not working. And if you've got you know, in our case,
we have a very clear number one receiver, like double
the stats of anybody else on the team. You have
to find ways of getting him open, or he has
to find ways of getting open, and for some reason
they just lock him down. Somebody else has to step up,
and there was just no other option in the passing game.
Receiving part of the past.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
No it feels like the personnel still has to be
upgraded in terms of pass catchers, maybe wide receiver, end
tight end. We got good tight ends, but do we
need a dude a pass catching dude.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And we lost one on the first play.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, there are a number one tight end, Like there
are guys that are roster guys, but are they are
they like what you need in this league? But look
at the third down numbers yesterday. Some of that can
be alleviated mag with the safety valve of a asketching
tight end.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I do believe that. I think that can help. I
don't think Cocher and t Mac. I love the two
young duo, but there's got to be someone else to
go with them. I mean, how are we supposed to
feel about Excel at this point? Like, do you fear
zoke that he is just a great, big, physical athlete
that is not a football player.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
He's still kind of raw.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean it just feels that way, like right, so
I just feel like he's still like not as where
he should be at the end of a second season.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Capella said, the ref told him you're off sides, and
he said, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Thanks for the heads up on that.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
There's always like a one to two to three plays,
whether it be that like a penalty situation or just
his aware mentioned it last week even in the win,
his awareness of the sideline when catching passes, like you've
got to whether it's a toe tap or even just
catching a ball on the sideline and you're clearly out
of bounds when you're catching it.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That that just has to come together.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
And this is not like the answer as far as
you said about the number two guy, but would love
to see considering what's going on with that you have
more Jimmy Horn just as far as that, okay, it's
just that speed aspect. It's that it's that ted Ginn
style of plague and not comparing player to player, but
that ted Ginn style with that speed, and we do
you know, the jet sweep motion and we'll flip the
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ball to him and this and that. But I'm thinking
more like on a crosser route where he can catch
it and run out in the field cross or get
a speed go or send him on a go route
and just you know, make a safety you have to
go follow him. That should at least open more things
up underneath. And again, you can't live and die with
long end completions that don't go anywhere, but just that
threat of speed, well at least put something else in
the mind of a defense awareness wise. But uh yeah,
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that's I mean, it's a really easy game to diagnose.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Our defense played well.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
The offense, especially in the passing game, just wasn't able
to get after it against Seattle yesterday.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
What did you think of the crowd yesterday? Because if
I was there in the building, although some people may
not like to hear that because my record is not
good when I'm in said building, but the crowd yesterday
felt like old school Panther football. The offense I thought
kind of took away the energy of the crowd, but
it felt like for all the complaining about fans and
takeovers and all that, it felt like an old school
(24:08):
Panther crowd.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yet yeah, with the like when the Seahawk players came
out of the tunnel on the multiple times they come
out pregame and end game and all that kind of stuff,
you heard a loud boo And a lot of times
you'll be like talking, say in the booth in the
press box, and you hear this cheer and you look
down and you realize they're cheering for all the forty
nine ers running on the field or whatever. So it's
like it had that Panther flavor, especially against the twelfth
Man of Seattle, which is a notorious crowd that travels
(24:31):
pretty well. I thought it was very much a Panther crowd,
and when there were those big defensive plays interrupted but
that was few, obviously, and what sustained it is having
some big offensive moments and that's the only reason it
wasn't louder more consistently.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They just didn't have much to cheer for when the
Panthers a.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Different than the crowd back yesterday where it was raining.
We saw some Panther fans putting their ponchos on Seattle
so used to it, they embraced the rain. They were all,
this is wonderful. They're so used to being in that
those conditions was completely their weather. They had the rain. Yes,
they literally packed weather with them. We didn't want your
damn gloomy, cold, wet West.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Steve Rabels are played by play guy. He's been doing
it for like he's on a broadcast for forty years,
like twenty two years of the play by play guy.
He goes, we literally left this and here we are
in it once again, like they just don't completely comfortable.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
By the way, no one wants your your Starbucks either.
As I'm drinking it right now, I'm gonna finish it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Did you be boycotting that? I just realize that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, that's right now.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Go grab some duncan. They got Drake mag at least
up there. Jim Zoki is with us a view from
the booth. It is bad Panther Monday. It's bad Panther Monday.
You can color code your calendar good Panther Monday. Uh
precedes it and follows it the week ten of a cycle.
This is five weeks. Five weeks, crazy, isn't it? But uh, anyway,
(25:49):
and that's what brings me to my next question. The
Bucks are reeling like if you guys think we have
something to be mad about after yesterday? Uh, these last
two months for the Bucks fans, when their only win
is a three point win against Arizona, has been atrocious.
Do you did yesterday shake your confidence in the Panther's
ability for this Saturday? If people don't know, it's Saturday
(26:12):
at four thirty in Tampa on ABC ESPN. Is your
confidence shook for Saturday's game at all, or do you
literally believe it has no bearing on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I think it has no bearing and I thought for
a different reason to the Tampa Bay point. I just
figured Tampa Bay would take care of business and sort
of a must win game for them. Not really, but
you know, you feel like they're gonna beat Miami at
this stage of the season considering what Miami's not playing for,
so it kind of felt like it was going to
come down to Tampa Bay in the last game anyway.
So it doesn't change that we played obviously well enough
(26:41):
to beat Tampa Bay last time. Did a great job
again defensively on Baker, who actually played really well yesterday.
I think he was like three hundred and forty yards, So,
I mean Baker played to have a couple of picks,
though he did well, and he always does. That's the
thing about Baker.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I mean, if he gets the yards, he seems like
then he's making it back.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
That is Baker Mayfield football, as we know, so you
should come in the fourth quarter at a bad time
and so he you know, but they've moving the ball
is the point. They've got all their skill position guys,
and I keep hearing about you know there they lost
their interior offensive lineman will cry us a river. I mean,
we we lost Robert Hunt before the season began, and
we just have been all year just miss mixing and
matching our offensive line returning. Yeah, so you think it's possible,
(27:18):
I think for postseason obviously that thing for Saturday, I
don't know. I mean, I guess anything's possible. I just
I don't want to rush rush it if they're not
one hundred percent, you know, sure, So we'll see, and
we've been doing a good job on the offensive line throughout.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It clearly is just a medical thing. If he's ready
to go, I think that you play him. So it's
all up to the doctors.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It's a not only is he a talent, I feel
like that he picks up a lot of the emotion
of an offense as even as a card.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
But that's Tampa Bay's issue has been line played this year.
But they've got all their skill position guys, and Baker
has been dealing with his shoulder injury. But it's been
a while now, so you figure like he's got to
be getting somewhat healthier every week, even though he's playing
with that non throwing shoulder injuries that he's got. But
I don't feel any different about the Panthers prospects based
on what happened yesterday. For all the reasons we've said,
they don't lose two in a row, so they've been
(28:06):
able to bounce back each time and address things, uh
the next week coming out of the losses that they've had.
And is it an early line, I'm guessing it's something
like a pick them game or Tampa Bay being at
homes probably their favorite.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Tampa Bays tavored by three, but they're at home, so
essentially that means it's basically.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's a pick them game essentially there.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
But like you said, they've they've lost seven out of
eight and they keep talking big every week, like you
know they it's like we get figured out now and
you know this is the one. I mean, they're like
Clemson football, like this is the one, and it's just
like the season ends and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Then the season just comes to an end.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's like, so I hope that continues one week.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not here for wins and walls to grow. Man. Yes,
he did more on that later. More on that later.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
What a stray that was so Sogie's in here in
his ECU sweatshirt with a nine win season.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
A bowl wine. All games are different at different times
for different teams. That's two in a row for ec
over the ACC. How big was that the other day
for the Pirates? All things considered, what people that were missing,
it was.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
A laundry list of guys who didn't play, starting with
the starting quarterback, starting running back, one of the receivers
that's a starter, a tight end, and then their best defender,
safety jamar Lee Riddle, doesn't play with an injury, and
you've got Blake Carroll, the head coach, having to become
the defensive coordinator again on top of head coach, and
your offensive coordinator's gone. So you had the running backs
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coach doing the play calling, who's not done that. And
they beat Pitt And the biggest thing was they had
a touchdown called back because of an inadvertent whistle. It
took away a sixty five yard touchdown run, give up
a touchdown to the pit defense, and still win the game.
So it's just like they overcame every what possible and
beat a power for school. And by the way, people say, well,
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they didn't want to be there. Their fans didn't want
to be there as far as the tier level that
they got, as far as what Bowl game and playing
a group of five team, I don't think their fans
wanted that. But their players were pretty much intact. They
lost one of their best linebackers, but their coach has
been there, Our Doozy's been there for eleven years. I mean,
I thought they were they were a talented team. There
was nothing, there were no big pieces missing from them,
(30:08):
and you get out there and play, it's like it
wasn't because they didn't show up. I thought, you know,
East Carolina. East Carolina loves that kind of game, big
old chip on their shoulder, underdog beat, a power for
a screen.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Straight Bowl wins, yeah, straight bull wins for most wins
in twelve years.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I boy Carrol too, man, he's like a pretty he's
been on the show before, but he seems like a
pretty cool guy.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Jo easy to root for.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It hell of a damn job, All right, joke, you
did a hell of a job too.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Sorry, it was just an analogy. Clemson website fans are
upset with Zokie. One guy says, I forgot what Bowl
game we lost, but Zokie that wasn't right. And it
was snowy, it was cold. They're not used to that. Yes,
and that game said seven hours. He ran into a
buzz soul on a winning streak too, you know what
I mean. My Nitney Lions are on fire end the season.
(30:51):
I mean, so they determinedly.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We're pretty sure if they played Ohio State right now,
pretty sure got a chance.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
So it's like, okay, on that note, it's getting it's
getting deep in here, and I don't have boots on
all right anyway, huh, Anyway, we'll deal with this. I
was gonna deal with one of the Texters, one of
the Texters that is giving negative vibes out because I
still believe there's a lot to be positive about.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Bony I too. Can you even know? Yesterday was it
a bomba nation offensive.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I gave a shout out back to my new friend,
big Ernest Perkins, that is the guy in the golf
cart that picked me up yesterday and brought me to
the doghouse, because it's amazing and Joks here, it's amazing
how many of the golf car drivers back because we
walk from the station to the stadium area, how many
of the golf car drivers wait for me, and why not?
Because they know I'm not going to make it all
(31:41):
the way back. They could see the way you're walking.
They're like that dude ain't geting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There was three in a row. I had to choose from.
This is not your own personal uber. They look.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They look at people struggling to walk, like Bone and
the elderly to help.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's that's the first people they asked if they need to.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
At least tip? Well do you tip?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh yeah, no, yeah? I said how much? How much
do you need? He said, whatever you got?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Man? I hop right in there. Ernest Perkins, that's my man.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Out on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
There you go. Did y'all strike a deal or something
was going on there?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Then he said he's gonna pick me back up on
the way out, and never happy if he had to
have fine or pigs, never out walking distance.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So you're the man, Bone, You are a.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Sad man when we come back, sounds of panthers, all right,
So what were some of these guys saying? Mike Jack
was really happy to get that interception against his old team.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You'll hear that.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Robert Hunt just with an amazing quote about his body
trying to get his body going again, and much much
more coming up. It is the Mac and Bone Show.
Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I just got my hands too high, my hands too high.
As soon as I hit his face mask, I tried.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
To let go.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
He kind of sold it a little bit. Yeah, like
I hate his face mask. I ain't even like I
felt like, I ain't clinched. I ain't seen the replay,
but yeah, I seen him sell it. Uh, And yeah,
they caught it bad for on me. I gotta have
my hands, Lord, just get him out of the found,
especially on the down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
In distance when it happened.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Did you know against the lee that they were gonna Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yeah, when I seen the flag, I knew it was
I knew it was gonna be a face mask.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Sports Radio ninety two seven w f NZ. Great interview
with that Dolls by Bashti Hurt. After the game there,
Jac said it's on me. Man said it's on me.
Was it the most egregious face mask in the world? No,
does Fitty have a point on if you made a
rule change where it was a five yard face basket?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Infect? Yeah, does he have a point? Yeah, I have
a question, But.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
With that said, though fit It's like he said it.
When I saw that play, It's like, Bro, you don't
need to get your hands up there to bring him
down like you had one earlier where your hands up there,
and you might have got away with one, like you
could have just sold it well too.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Man was active.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
But how about the sales how about not only the
sales shop when he jerked his neck back, how about
when he went over actly he was hurt on the ground.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, Bro, the flag is already thrown. Bro, you got
the call. Get your ass up like he was driving me.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Crazy, Like when you saw the way, show him out
of bounds, Bro, when you saw the way the way
j s N went to the ground before the replay,
it's all he must have got his his neck. Just
he got that neck, Jacey got that neck. It's like, no,
he grazed. He great, Wait what did he do that?
Why are you on the ground?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Was he trying to say that he got poked in
the eye type thing or something?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I think so?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, But one play later he's in there making a
play on the ground, celebrating exactly like I think you were. Okay, Bro,
how much soccer you watch? And I say, this is
a guy that loves soccer, but that was soccer esque.
This is what the soccer guys do. You already have
call and you're on the ground still selling get your
heide up anyway, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Fit, We have more sounds to get to. What were
you gonna say over there? Just really quick?
Speaker 8 (35:09):
Because and from the majority of my lifetime, it's been
a fifteen yard penalty. If we bring back the five
yard penalty, is it like they're roughing the kicker or
running into the kicker? You could do something like that,
So because if you could, because in the old days
it's sort of been fourth down, right or was it
what if there was a fight?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, that's my thing. Automatic first. I don't know if
automatic first. My thing is J. C.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Horn.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know what you said it yourself. Don't get the
hand up that high man, and and listen. As good
as he is went through a whole game against Tampa,
they didn't target him once.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
As good as he is, he's prone to make some mistakes.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He is my life Monusky, my hands low guys. Yeah,
that was that was another crowd deflating moment. Also that
was killing. That was devastating. You're going off the field
down seven, major wet down moment, getting off the field
down freaking seven.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Man. But anyway, we digress because what the offense most
likely wouldn't have gone down to scores gotcha anyway, But anyway,
this team's is a work in progress. This team, man,
we're getting there, but we certainly ain't all the way there.
All right, let's go and continue here, Bone with some
more sounds. Mike Jack played an amazing football game. Eleven tackles,
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so many of them at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
He was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
He also had the interception of Darnold that he read
beautifully and just ran the route for Jackson Smith and
Jig but Who, he pointed out after the game, I
know his game.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's how you know. I don't know what he does.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Listened to Mike Jack because he was not bashful Bone
at admitting, Yeah, that meant something to do that against
the team that traded me for what he said was
a bag of chips.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The interception in the end zone, can you take us
through the garity fool or retribution or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I they tried to SLUGO.
I felt the comment balling it. I just went and
got it, and it was kind of like running back
all the way down the sidelines, kind of like look
at me, not like you feel me. A lot of
them people used to laugh at me. I used to
come in the building five thirty in the morning and
it was just kind of like like, now you gotta
look at me, like So it was nice and just
(37:15):
to see dog k Scott frustrated walking down the sideline,
that was nice.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So you kind of downplayed it this week.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
But now you're saying, yeah, I had to because otherwise
I would have it would have been personal, and like
I can't play this game personally. Like for me, it's
just straight, strictly business. So I made that mistake in
the past, and I corrected it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
I'm a huge Mike Jack fan, and I think a
lot of his teammates are as well. You could tell
by the way they reacted to that Mac We'd said earlier.
He ran all the way down to the end zone,
but it wasn't like they do where the whole team
runs down. He ran down, got on his knees, looked
up to the sky. They all kind of like, let
him have his moment because they knew, they knew what
that play against that team meant to him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And what and what first of a couple of things.
Good thing that they didn't overturn that good thing. He
barely got his toes in bounds, because if those boys
had to play the next down, they would have been
gassed from the running all the way down the field.
The second thing is bony. What did we do with
the football right afterwards? Chewba fumbles the dam ball? Ye Like,
it's just the turnovers were killer, and then Bryce turns
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one over right after that. We gave them short fields.
The defense could overcome just about everything yesterday, but they
could not overcome consistent short fields and no help from
the offense, the offense not being able to sustain drives
and rest give them rest.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I feel like they wore down a bit Bone. You
saw that late in the game.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I think against the run, great performance by the defense,
but it was completely wasted thanks to the garbage offensive performance.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Let's go now, Bone two. Who do we got now?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
We gotta do Dave canals. I'm noticing a lot of
people Bone have issue. I shouldn't say a lot, but
a few of you have issue that at the end
of the game, down seventeen, Dave Canalis just kneeled it out,
just took knees to the point where he did it
so early. See ya't got the ball back and had
taken me themselves for the game ended. Dave Canos was
asked about that after the game.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, I ran the ball in the first one, and
for me, like at that point, with seventeen points down,
with the amount of time we had, the important thing
for me is to make sure that we get to
this next game healthy at that point, and my brain
never went there before that drive. But once they scored
that last touchdown, I knew what it was. And Rico
looked good today running the ball when he had chances
to touch it, and so did Cuba, and you know,
(39:28):
I just wanted to make sure that we were able
to go into this next game at full strength.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I don't get people that are bothered we kneeled it out.
I what did What did he take away from the
comeback attempt? I like a salesman says he's playing chess.
He had a feeling we'd have a Saturday game. Wanted
to get that boys rested in a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I just what if someone got hurt when they tried
to play that out there and we have a championship
game next week.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah no, I just I don't What did it meant
we were losing the game, y'all? I just went yesterday
the chance to someone probably getting hurt was probably high.
How everything went wrong yesterday one of those days where
they just wanted to get they wanted to get.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Off the field. I don't understand either.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Some people were mad that the score was not displayed
in the Miami Tampa game because Dave Canalis did wanted
them to focus on themselves. It makes total sense to me,
and Smoke Ludwig pointed something, Now, listen, don't blame the
garbage performance on the fact that they didn't show that. Like,
I completely understand why coach would be like, it doesn't
(40:29):
matter what that team does if we don't win, So
just go win. Just go handle your own business. And
obviously we couldn't. Smoke Ludwig pointed out to me in
the press box. Ron Rivera did that in twenty fifteen
when we were trying to clinch the number one overall seed,
not put the Arizona score up. So if anybody wants
to criticize this, you're criticizing.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Ron Rivera too. It seems like a move that plenty
of coaches have done. I noticed right away that they
were not acknowledging that game. They did like the in
game updates, and they did like two or three games.
It was not one that was Tampa. There was the
other games that was going on. When they come on
with a little video, you know, produce package, and then
I noticed, like, you couldn't find this score anywhere in
the stadium. That's when I realized, oh, yeah, that has
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to be an intentionality. I didn't notice back towards the
end of the game when all the defensive players I
noticed at one point did look up at the scoreboard.
I think they were probably looking for themselves, like, hey,
is Tampa I did They're actually probably curious what was
going on in that gig. They all sort of looked
up and they're trying to find I think the score
of that game.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think that's good coaching. Take care of your own business.
Obviously your offense was down. I think they all looked
around at the same time by the scoreboard, and it's
for fans. I'm pretty sure y'all have a scoreboard in
your pocket. Pretty sure you can access it. In the
Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, shout out Willie P.
Bagel Guy also shouts out Willie Pe. He says, Willi
P was going crazy about the kneel down. I have
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to be honest with you, and I was trying to
be nice to the P man. It's the holidays. I
love this man, I truly do. I think he's awesome,
but we don't always see eye eye. Willie P was
freaking out having conniptions bone over things on the postgame show.
As I was driving home yesterday that I was just like,
why are you freaking out over this? Just like I
think he had a problem with the scoreboard not showing
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the game, and it's like, how do you not understand
that coaching move?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Willie? You grew up a Jets fan like I did.
The Jets have been taken a knee for the last
forty years all right. By the way, if it's not
the victory, if it's not the victory formation, what is
that the defeat formation?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Like?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
What do we call that?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Is Texter seven of the defeat formation? This texter says,
Mac give it to the backups to the final two minutes.
You could, but some guys that matter would have to play.
For example, you don't have five backup offensive linemen active. Yeah, right,
Receivers you would have to play. Some receivers tight ends
you'd have to play. You'd have to put some guys
out there that you're counting on next week. What's the
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point in risking their health?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
You could take a bunch of starters out and you
put Andy Dalton in, but some guys that you want
to have for next week. You already lost Sanders. What
if you lost Mitchell Evans. By the way, we haven't
even mentioned the best part of the game, Mitch push,
the fact that we actually snug it with Mitchell Evan's
and it worked, got it barely. I said, move, Mitch,
get out. Do they not do a push though? They
just did a flat out sneak and tremble behind there.
(43:11):
Get one cheek, get someone else grabbed the other cheek.
Let's go, I know, let's ride them cheeks to glory.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Seriously, we've been calling for that all right, Last thing, Mitchell, palsa,
last thing real quick here, Uh, Mitch, Mitchell push Losa,
That's what it should be. By the way, we got
ninety nine problems yesterday, but a Neil on eight one.
All right, the fact we got in that situation, all right,
that's your worst problem yesterday. You missed the first three hours.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Peanut says. Max said. Some people just say Willy P. Mack.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I was thinking about Willy P. But there were others
too that were were complaining about it. Oh my god,
pull yourself together. We're gonna keep Poulman.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
We're the better team. We're better than Tampa and we
win every other week. Damn it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Pull yourselves together, all right. I don't think we have
we have time. We don't have time for Rob Hunt,
do we No? All right, we'll play Rob Hunt coming
into the next segment, because it is. It's very funny,
and a lot of you are saying you can't bring
Rob Hunt back against Vita Vega. I love Austin Corbett.
I think he's really struggling right now. So I am
kind of in my mind wondering what percent of Rob
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Hunt Bowe might be better.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
We're gonna play the Robin audio talk more offense on
the way back right from yesterday. Yeah, the hell's wrong
with these guys, what was what was your favorite passing
yard that Rice and Dave Hayter's mount up, you know,
Fourth Radio, ninety f
Yeah, just trying to trying to isolate the safeties maybe
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one on one in the middle of the field. They
did a great job matching us on the outside, and uh,
you know, coach McDonald did a great job of mixing
the types of coverages. Played a little bit more man
than they had shown on film, so you know, where
we're trying to attack some of the fire zones and
different things like that. We shifted to some more runaway
type of concepts in case they threw the man out there.
(00:46):
So I think it's just a combination of things, you know,
dialing in when they are making this transition, where are
those odd balls coming from? And making sure we can
execute in those spots.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That was Dave canalis answering to question every Panther fan
had after the game, what the hell could we not
pass it downfield? The longest pass play yesterday? And it
is time for the blame game. We altered we basically
alternate every other Monday, Bone is either the credit game
or the blame game. Why did we win or why
the hell did we lose? And this week is the
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bad version of it. After the Seahawks beat the Panthers
twenty seven, to ten and the Panthers throw for fifty
four yards. Bone The longest pass play was the throw
into the flat to Chewba Hubbard for eight yards. That
was the longest pass play. Bryce Youngbone completed zero passes
that traveled ten yards or more in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The air yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
My god.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
And here's the thing that sucks about it is we
have seen this movie before. I mentioned it in the
first hour. Look at the common link bone between the
losses to New Orleans on the road or no New
Orleans at home, San Francisco on the road, and then
Seattle home. We could not pass the ball downfield. And
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we're all saying, what are we doing? What's the game
plan whatever these teams are able to do to take
the downfield passing game away.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We have like no counter for it whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, Dave Canalis after the game says, man, they
gave more man coverage than we expected and that surprised us.
Maybe you shouldn't admit that because it sounds like McDonald
and company completely out coached you and Braditsick company.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
It's one of the ugliest box scores offensively you'll ever see.
Like it's almost like it's almost like they stopped taking
stats back after like a couple of drives. The fact
that the leading wide out had sixteen yards in the
game was Cocher. Mike Jackson had the most yards. Didn't
he technically speaking on a catch on the interception? Like
Mike Jackson led the team in receiving yards. Didn't he
from his Donald pick? Well, he didn't have any yards
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on it, but he did run all the Yeah, you're right,
you're right your I was thinking he ran all the
way out.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You're right right.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It's just such a nasty, wooking box score there. I mean,
I'm just looking at it in awe like a horror
movie right now. It's so bad. And the offense and
the lack of passing yesterday, Fitty and I were noticing
this really took the steam out of the crowd.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
By the time we got the same thing happened in
New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The offense was down that day as well, not quite
this bad, but it felt like there was a point
in the game where the crowd sort of understood like, oh,
it's one of these days. Completely deflated by just no
passing down field, stalled drives, the crowd was ready to
go on it's ear man, Tampa's losing, we all know it.
And then the offense doing nothing. Just the second half
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crowd was like, oh, it's one of the Well, it's
a it's an off week.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They're off this week.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I still thought you y'all were bringing it when they
cut it to a seven point game. When they cut
it to a seven point fame the face rough and
we get that delay a game and it's third and
twenty one. Y'all were loud as hell. But but the J. C.
Horn face mask was killer man. Your hands down there,
keep your hands down, Like was it ticky tack? Yeah,
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but he does have a propensity boned to have Tomit penalties.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He's got a reputation.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I gotta be honest. There was one earlier they documented
on the broadcast. When I went home and rewatched it
last night, there could have been a face mask on
one earlier where he took down Smith and Jigba. There
could have been a PI on the incompletion cup in
the end zone. He put his hands around. He likes
that hands around your hip. When we did we did,
we did move so they did. They were letting our
some of our guys play a little wait yeah yeah,
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jac didn't get away with that one, and it was
killer man like.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Me in a day at Texas Roadhouse. Mac.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, I want to see more involved, and it
feels like they yesterday they had a couple anybody that
catches a pass, well, it feels like they have like
a quota on Jimmy Horn place by they tried to
get one or two in Can we try to maybe
on a day like yesterday, when they're getting nothing out
of the wideouts, Seattle's rearing back and dominating on defense,
the tight ends are doing nothing, can we maybe try
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to get Jimmy Horn in space a little more than
one or two times a game. It feels like they
have like one or two and then they don't do
anything else with them. Can we try to get him
involved and try to race them open here place? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think they view him as a gadget guy right,
a game changer, you know what I mean, special plays
for him and stuff like that. But I do know
that the run, he should have got more yards, He
should have cut it up inside and he tried to bounce.
We did that a bunch of times just today. Even
Bryce did that on a run where we if we
just go vertical and take what we can get. We
can get more yards, but instead we try to bounce
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and we lose yards. That was a little frustrating, But yeah,
I like Horn getting involved Bone, and I liked it
when we threw to him in the flat. He was
actually the only guy to get a ball on the
flat and was able to run around somebody. Right, Seattle
did an amazing job of making us throw the check
down and tackling like crazy, rallying and tackling like crazy.
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And that is the thing I do want to talk
about today. Seattle's defense is amazing, Like that wasn't a
one off. That defense was amazing. I know the Rams
lit him up pretty good. But what that defense has
done this year, Bone does We do need some perspective now.
The thing that that is the catch here is, like
I said, we've seen the Panthers look impotent on offense
with no ability to throw it downfield multiple times here
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over the last six weeks or so. When they look bad,
it seems like that's a common denominator. And when would
the bad Panthers show up. It's usually on offense. The
Panthers Bone are giving up twenty one points a game
in our last four losses where we alternate and but
they're scoring ten point eight.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's on the offense.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
When we don't win these games, it's ugly and the
offense has a long way to go. And we'll have
a conversation today about what's what, you know, what do
we need to do to get it to the next level.
But I just want to say this about Seattle's defense
because I haven't heard enough people just acknowledge how good
they are. They're second in points per game allowed second
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and yards per play, first in points per play allowed first,
and yards per carry first, and yards per attempt passing
third and yards per rush six and turnovers per game
force and seventh in yards per game allowed. That is
a badass group and are a super Bowl caliber team.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They lost, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Our offense, and I have questions about their offense. I
have questions about Sam and whether they have enough pass
catchers outside of Injigba. But like that defense is elite,
So I just that can't be lost here. Man, You
know what I mean, William, You're not ready to like,
I don't know if y'all noticed, our offense ain't exactly elite. Yeah,
Warrens has found the fountain of views of fraud. William like,
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they have every level covered on that defense. Secondary is
very good that that Right now, Seattle and Houston are
playing I think the best football in the league, and
it all starts with their defense. But that's back why
despite the frustrations of yesterday, there's such reason for hope.
We didn't lose to the operation that's trying to play
things out like Miami is down there yesterday, like the
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Panthers can. Yes, it's not good to analyze it, but
they lost to a contending team that is right there
with the best in football. We didn't lose to a
team that's the equivalent of the ace vent Tua Dolphins.
TC says Seattle's defense is good, but not holding you
to fifty six passing yards?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Good?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was it fifty four? I though it was fifty four?
Did he just give us two extra hold on a second?
Now it was fifty four? Gave us two extra pass
yards for Christmas? We got to be honest, TC, No
one in the NFL should make your passing game look
that impotent. Nobody should, right, But I don't know if
you all noticed. Our passing game is still a damn
work in progress, like it still has the ability to
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look like complete cheeks. And that's what I'm trying to say.
We're getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Bone.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
The defense was amazing yesterday and kept us in it.
And it's criminal the lack of support we gave that
damn defense yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It's a shame and it's criminal that y'all as fans
were just showing up bringing it like the old days
and that offense goes out there in place like that.
But this offense clearly is not there yet. And we'll
have a conversation about it today. Does Dave have to
give up play calling? Do you want Bryce out? I
just saw the latest get rid of Bryce thing. Bray
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Shung had just played a five game stretch with a
one oh seven rating, ten touchdowns and two picks. And
by the way, in these wins lately, he's been hitting
deep passes that had been huge. Remember the Rams game,
remember the Bucks game. So like, it's just it's an
inconsistent it's not good enough to be consistent. The receivers
are young. This texta says we don't have a damn
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receiver that can get open in man coverage. It looked
to me often like guys were just not open. It
looked to me often bone like the protection didn't hold
up up front. The shame is that Rico ran it
pretty well for them. I mean, it's not a shame,
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but he has not run the ball that well in
a month ards of carry.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yesterday he ran hard, and he looked like he was
fresh yesterday, like he ran he ran like Rico midseason.
So I think that's a good development as we go
into this must win game against Tampa. What's not a
good development, Mac is the numbers on league get Besides
blocking he had the football awareness, the lack of production.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Mcleague.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Gett has four catches in December, and we're not exactly
early December here, that's the end of the month for him.
Four catches in December. How about this splits number here
at home this year in home games, he's got nine
catches for seventy five yards at home game. In home games,
so he's got twenty three for two sixty six on
the road, but at home he's got nine for seventy
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five and his biggest play at home twenty four yards
from a first round draft choice. I'm sorry, I don't
like to use the word bust a lot, but if
you use that for a lee get, I can't blame
he's cut it in that direction.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And again I said it in the first hour.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm not sure he should be on the team next year,
and we don't have much more than two receivers a man,
I know. So anyway, there needs to be personnel editions
on offense and on defense. But the defense really played
great yesterday, and the defense has been doing a lot
of good things Bone during this up and down stretch.
They really have what the offense seems to be the
most up and down unit. It really does. Randall says,
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Bryce is still your guy. Mack, tell me again about
Bryce versus CAC from last year. Bryce, ain't it, brother,
But I just told you about the way he played
in the last five games. Bryce is inconsistent. Do I
know Bone if he's the guy that gets us, you know,
a Super Bowl or something like that. No, I definitely don't.
But do I think he's the quarterback next year?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I do. Do I know that Dave Canalis is the
play caller to get us a Super Bowl? No, I don't,
but I think he'll probably be the play caller next year.
But I so listen, like it's frustrating to watch this
team when they look bad on offense. It feels like
it really stinks like a like a baby's diaper that
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had been in a trash cam bone for six weeks.
That's what That's what this offense stinks like when it does.
But again, this is progress. I'm old enough to remember
when this offense looked like that a majority of the time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Now it's every other week.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
It was the sixth lowest passing yard game in Panther history.
Now the difference back is in the previous five. The
Panthers won three of those five somehow, Mac and the
worst Panther game passing games the Panther history, the top
two they won those games. Number one, you called it
the game where Chris Winky played against Atlanta and they
did direct snaps to the angel. I believe it was
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he threw for thirty two yards that day. They won
the football game. Sam Darnold had forty three in the
last game of the twenty twenty two season and they
beat New Orleans so and the two worst passing games
and Panther history, they're two and zo. Brandy Fasani also
had one the Butarski specials in there too. It was
Bryce's worst game in terms of rating forty five. Who's
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Bryce's worst game or no, second worst, second worst EPA
per drop back?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Ever, it was ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
But I also wonder if you go through the all
twenty two, are there guys that were getting separations? There
was not even two banket that's a good secondary. Did
they have it blanketed? The other question is there were
a couple times when I saw guys come free and
then I realized, oh crap, Bryce is under pressure right now,
can't get it out there to them.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yep, that happened. T mac Bone beat.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
His guy on the right side on a go, but
by that point Mafey had beaten Moten I think for
the sack. And then the very next play was this
or it might have been Lawrence Laura's and Mafey back
to back sacks and that was one of them. And
it's like, so it doesn't do you any good. Bone
if guys are coming free, Bryce is won the throat,
but shoot him under pressure. I got to run for
my life. That felt like that was happening at times too.
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So it was just it was a team effort to
break down the Bryce interception was not a good throw
at all. I can't sit there and deny that. All
you do is hope the good Panthers show up. The
Bucks defense is a twenty six passing defense in the NFL.
It is it is a It's not even in the
same league as what we just watched it humping. So
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if Bryce Young comes out and we can't pass the
ball downfield against that garbage ass Bucks defense, well then
I'm gonna come on to the next Monday lose my mind.
But I anticipate Bryce Young will bounce back, and I
honestly anticipate the Panthers will bounce back as well.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I do.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
He's been inconsistent, But let's not act like Bryce has
been playing that bad all the time lately.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It is inconsistent. You're a mac.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
NFL Countdown yesterday did a ten minute breakdown of Bryce's
season so far compared Tom to Steph Curry. So they
did that before the game yesterday, So yesterday was bad.
But on that same special yesterday, they pointed out Mackers
Rice has the third most touchdown passes this year under
pressure in the league with seven. Yeah, pretty good stat
He's handled it well well. Williams was up there to
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play the fourth righted deep passer in the league. It's
just some teams have taken it away and we're not
even attempting to throw it down them, probably because he
doesn't want to force it into coverage downfield, so he
just takes the checkdown, you know, but he can throw it,
but it's got to be there.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We got to get guys open.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I really think Kanala should not have admitted how how
much they were surprised by Seattle playing so much man,
because that feels like man, y'all got one pulled over
on you, had no recourse, had no damn response as
a coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
But like, here's another one.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Hurricane Hugos is talking about, canalist give up the play calling?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Who they gonna give it to?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Iticks never called play in his life, and they'll complain
about him, like what, so you know, I'm not saying
if you wanted to do it in the off season,
maybe it turns out like Nick Sirianni. Nick Sirianni gave
up the play calling. It's worked out beautifully for them,
although they've had their offensive struggles this year too, but
they won a Super Bowl right after he did it.
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Most offensive head coaches until the Calvary is coming for
their job, they don't give up offensive play calling because
most offensive head coaches, like Dave, being an offensive coordinator
is how they got their head coaching job, so they
want to do it. That's how they got the head
coaching job. They don't want to give it up, right right, Yeah,
they don't want to trust someone else with it. I'm
the one that got this opportunity because of my years
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as it was. And again, and he probably got hired
a little too quickly as a head coach in some
ways where he only got to be a coordinator for
one year and it was mixed results in Tampa. His
quarterback did work with Baker was tremendous. But I think
the play calling. Anybody you here in Tampa talk about it,
I think the play call, I think he I think
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he was he was learning on the job, and I
still think there's an element right now of him learning
on the job as well.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And if they did they didn't make a change, would
it be Inzick or would they turn to a guy
like Jim Caldwell who's got so much experience at goal point?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Would he go outside. Yeah, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But here, but again, it's like, it's not it's not
the norm for offensive minded coaches to not call plays.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, it's just it's not. It's an overwhelming percentage that
do That would be like Matt giving up doing ads
on the radio. Now, Mac made his marked by doing
adds speaking of that, We're gonna go to break right now.
We're gonna bring when we come back. Jim Zokie pant
Thes and ECU Radio Networks, that's gonna give us His
reaction to both results over the weekend. Sports Radio seven
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w FNZ, Sports Radio ninety two seven w f n Z.
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It is time for a view from the Booth from
Jim Zochi and Zoke. The bone Man tells me that
they actually had a view of you in the booth
yesterday on the TV broadcast.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Apparently it was ECU game, was it or was it
this game?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Which game? Was it CU game? I thought all the
lawyer talk about the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh no, they showed the coaches box in the ECU
game and Zochie was bundled up in the box next
to the next to the coach.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh, it's possible I did not fully listen to has
that ever happened before? My listening is about game sin today, Joe,
I'm Joe was thinking as the Panthers offense was yesterday.
I was even wondering because I'm like I saw Zoake
in the press box. But anyway, all right, let's get
to it. Enough about my mistakes, let's talk about the Panthers' mistakes.
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Let's focus on those. So A, there's a common thread
here and the four losses in the last eight games,
there's a common thread. The offense has not shown up.
They averaged ten point eight points a game in those games.
And there's also another common thread. Three of those losses,
we were leaving the game saying, man, we couldn't get
the ball downfield at all?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Were we trying? What was going on there?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
What the heck do you think is happening to the
passing game when the bad version shows up?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Now, you're right.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
And the defense I thought played well enough to win
the game yes year, Vet and the points they gave
up were on short field with turnovers or the fourth
down that they didn't pick up with the offensive side there,
And there was a lot of chatter out obviously, afterwards
about the way the secondary for Seattle played more than
they expected, more man defense and that kind of thing.
But you think adjustments would come and you would do
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something to be able to get some passes downfield. Our
longest completion of the day was eight yards for the
entire game, and of course we only had fifty four
yards passing, so that makes sense. But they just seem
to not be able to solve what Seattle was doing defensively.
And Seattle does what they always do, which they're really
good about getting interior pressure, and they're able to get
pressure without really blitzing. I mean, they're just a team
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that they'll probably send five at the most or whatever,
but just all year. And I really do begin with,
you know, saying Seattle's a good team. They're thirteen and three,
And I think that was the biggest problem is you
were playing a really good team also playing a really
good game that day, Like we beat the Rams, and
we figured out how to make them not play so well.
But in this case, Seattle played well. But the defense,
I thought, you know, held Darnold and check got three sacks,
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got a couple turnovers on them, held them to one
hundred and forty seven yards passing, So I thought the
defense did really what it would take to win the
game yesterday. But to your point about the offense couldn't
solve anything downfield outside a Rico, wasn't much of anything
in the running game yesterday. So it was the old
win one, lose one and when we do, you lose.
It's just like the offense. I mean, in the season,
we've seen Bryce Young throw for four hundred and fifty
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yards and then throw for fifty yards in the same season,
So I mean just the highs and lows. I mean,
it's just like it's all ends of the spectrum as
far as how we can play, and just was not
able to unlock that yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Where do you put most of the blame? Is it
on brought for yesterday? Is it on Bryce? Is it
on the play calling? Or is it a lot of
it on Seattle?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Just that good also, I mean I start with Seattle,
but I think too like you do have to solve
things as you go along if you have an expectation.
That's part of coaching and playing football is not always
being who you are as far as the type of
style that you play every week, because that's where you
can win matchups because you can't play the exact same
way every week.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Teams will figure out what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
And some of that we say it's Bryce, and some
of it is on the receivers helping out Bryce.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, you got to figure out ways to get open.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
And in Tenoro McMillan mentioned that in the postgame show
as well, So he obviously was dealing with an illness
to what to read the coaching staff and everyone said
it wasn't a big factor, but you would expect them
to say that no matter what. So I don't know
what his health was overall, coming up on the injury
list earlier in the day with the illness, but he
says one catch for five yards and come to the
fourth quarter, So that was for whatever reason, was just
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not working. And if you've got you know, in our case,
we have a very clear number one receiver, like double
the stats of anybody else on the team. You have
to find ways of getting him open, or he has
to find ways of getting open, and for some reason
they just lock him down. Somebody else has to step up,
and there was just no other option in the passing game.
Receiving part of the past.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
No it feels like the personnel still has to be
upgraded in terms of pass catchers, maybe wide receiver, end
tight end. We got good tight ends, but do we
need a dude a pass catching dude.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And we lost one on the first play.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, there are a number one tight end, Like there
are guys that are roster guys, but are they are
they like what you need in this league? But look
at the third down numbers yesterday. Some of that can
be alleviated mag with the safety valve of a asketching
tight end.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I do believe that. I think that can help. I
don't think Cocher and t Mac. I love the two
young duo, but there's got to be someone else to
go with them. I mean, how are we supposed to
feel about Excel at this point? Like, do you fear
zoke that he is just a great, big, physical athlete
that is not a football player.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
He's still kind of raw.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean it just feels that way, like right, so
I just feel like he's still like not as where
he should be at the end of a second season.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Capella said, the ref told him you're off sides, and
he said, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Thanks for the heads up on that.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
There's always like a one to two to three plays,
whether it be that like a penalty situation or just
his aware mentioned it last week even in the win,
his awareness of the sideline when catching passes, like you've
got to whether it's a toe tap or even just
catching a ball on the sideline and you're clearly out
of bounds when you're catching it.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That that just has to come together.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
And this is not like the answer as far as
you said about the number two guy, but would love
to see considering what's going on with that you have
more Jimmy Horn just as far as that, okay, it's
just that speed aspect. It's that it's that ted Ginn
style of plague and not comparing player to player, but
that ted Ginn style with that speed, and we do
you know, the jet sweep motion and we'll flip the
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ball to him and this and that. But I'm thinking
more like on a crosser route where he can catch
it and run out in the field cross or get
a speed go or send him on a go route
and just you know, make a safety you have to
go follow him. That should at least open more things
up underneath. And again, you can't live and die with
long end completions that don't go anywhere, but just that
threat of speed, well at least put something else in
the mind of a defense awareness wise. But uh yeah,
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that's I mean, it's a really easy game to diagnose.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Our defense played well.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
The offense, especially in the passing game, just wasn't able
to get after it against Seattle yesterday.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
What did you think of the crowd yesterday? Because if
I was there in the building, although some people may
not like to hear that because my record is not
good when I'm in said building, but the crowd yesterday
felt like old school Panther football. The offense I thought
kind of took away the energy of the crowd, but
it felt like for all the complaining about fans and
takeovers and all that, it felt like an old school
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Panther crowd.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yet yeah, with the like when the Seahawk players came
out of the tunnel on the multiple times they come
out pregame and end game and all that kind of stuff,
you heard a loud boo And a lot of times
you'll be like talking, say in the booth in the
press box, and you hear this cheer and you look
down and you realize they're cheering for all the forty
nine ers running on the field or whatever. So it's
like it had that Panther flavor, especially against the twelfth
Man of Seattle, which is a notorious crowd that travels
(24:31):
pretty well. I thought it was very much a Panther crowd,
and when there were those big defensive plays interrupted but
that was few, obviously, and what sustained it is having
some big offensive moments and that's the only reason it
wasn't louder more consistently.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They just didn't have much to cheer for when the
Panthers a.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Different than the crowd back yesterday where it was raining.
We saw some Panther fans putting their ponchos on Seattle
so used to it, they embraced the rain. They were all,
this is wonderful. They're so used to being in that
those conditions was completely their weather. They had the rain. Yes,
they literally packed weather with them. We didn't want your
damn gloomy, cold, wet West.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
Steve Rabels are played by play guy. He's been doing
it for like he's on a broadcast for forty years,
like twenty two years of the play by play guy.
He goes, we literally left this and here we are
in it once again, like they just don't completely comfortable.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
By the way, no one wants your your Starbucks either.
As I'm drinking it right now, I'm gonna finish it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Did you be boycotting that? I just realize that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, that's right now.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Go grab some duncan. They got Drake mag at least
up there. Jim Zoki is with us a view from
the booth. It is bad Panther Monday. It's bad Panther Monday.
You can color code your calendar good Panther Monday. Uh
precedes it and follows it the week ten of a cycle.
This is five weeks. Five weeks, crazy, isn't it? But uh, anyway,
(25:49):
and that's what brings me to my next question. The
Bucks are reeling like if you guys think we have
something to be mad about after yesterday? Uh, these last
two months for the Bucks fans, when their only win
is a three point win against Arizona, has been atrocious.
Do you did yesterday shake your confidence in the Panther's
ability for this Saturday? If people don't know, it's Saturday
(26:12):
at four thirty in Tampa on ABC ESPN. Is your
confidence shook for Saturday's game at all, or do you
literally believe it has no bearing on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I think it has no bearing and I thought for
a different reason to the Tampa Bay point. I just
figured Tampa Bay would take care of business and sort
of a must win game for them. Not really, but
you know, you feel like they're gonna beat Miami at
this stage of the season considering what Miami's not playing for,
so it kind of felt like it was going to
come down to Tampa Bay in the last game anyway.
So it doesn't change that we played obviously well enough
(26:41):
to beat Tampa Bay last time. Did a great job
again defensively on Baker, who actually played really well yesterday.
I think he was like three hundred and forty yards, So,
I mean Baker played to have a couple of picks,
though he did well, and he always does. That's the
thing about Baker.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I mean, if he gets the yards, he seems like
then he's making it back.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
That is Baker Mayfield football, as we know, so you
should come in the fourth quarter at a bad time
and so he you know, but they've moving the ball
is the point. They've got all their skill position guys,
and I keep hearing about you know there they lost
their interior offensive lineman will cry us a river. I mean,
we we lost Robert Hunt before the season began, and
we just have been all year just miss mixing and
matching our offensive line returning. Yeah, so you think it's possible,
(27:18):
I think for postseason obviously that thing for Saturday, I
don't know. I mean, I guess anything's possible. I just
I don't want to rush rush it if they're not
one hundred percent, you know, sure, So we'll see, and
we've been doing a good job on the offensive line throughout.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It clearly is just a medical thing. If he's ready
to go, I think that you play him. So it's
all up to the doctors.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It's a not only is he a talent, I feel
like that he picks up a lot of the emotion
of an offense as even as a card.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Right.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
But that's Tampa Bay's issue has been line played this year.
But they've got all their skill position guys, and Baker
has been dealing with his shoulder injury. But it's been
a while now, so you figure like he's got to
be getting somewhat healthier every week, even though he's playing
with that non throwing shoulder injuries that he's got. But
I don't feel any different about the Panthers prospects based
on what happened yesterday. For all the reasons we've said,
they don't lose two in a row, so they've been
(28:06):
able to bounce back each time and address things, uh
the next week coming out of the losses that they've had.
And is it an early line, I'm guessing it's something
like a pick them game or Tampa Bay being at
homes probably their favorite.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Tampa Bays tavored by three, but they're at home, so
essentially that means it's basically.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's a pick them game essentially there.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
But like you said, they've they've lost seven out of
eight and they keep talking big every week, like you
know they it's like we get figured out now and
you know this is the one. I mean, they're like
Clemson football, like this is the one, and it's just
like the season ends and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Then the season just comes to an end.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's like, so I hope that continues one week.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not here for wins and walls to grow. Man. Yes,
he did more on that later. More on that later.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
What a stray that was so Sogie's in here in
his ECU sweatshirt with a nine win season.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
A bowl wine. All games are different at different times
for different teams. That's two in a row for ec
over the ACC. How big was that the other day
for the Pirates? All things considered, what people that were missing,
it was.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
A laundry list of guys who didn't play, starting with
the starting quarterback, starting running back, one of the receivers
that's a starter, a tight end, and then their best defender,
safety jamar Lee Riddle, doesn't play with an injury, and
you've got Blake Carroll, the head coach, having to become
the defensive coordinator again on top of head coach, and
your offensive coordinator's gone. So you had the running backs
(29:26):
coach doing the play calling, who's not done that. And
they beat Pitt And the biggest thing was they had
a touchdown called back because of an inadvertent whistle. It
took away a sixty five yard touchdown run, give up
a touchdown to the pit defense, and still win the game.
So it's just like they overcame every what possible and
beat a power for school. And by the way, people say, well,
(29:47):
they didn't want to be there. Their fans didn't want
to be there as far as the tier level that
they got, as far as what Bowl game and playing
a group of five team, I don't think their fans
wanted that. But their players were pretty much intact. They
lost one of their best linebackers, but their coach has
been there, Our Doozy's been there for eleven years. I mean,
I thought they were they were a talented team. There
was nothing, there were no big pieces missing from them,
(30:08):
and you get out there and play, it's like it
wasn't because they didn't show up. I thought, you know,
East Carolina. East Carolina loves that kind of game, big
old chip on their shoulder, underdog beat, a power for
a screen.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Straight Bowl wins, yeah, straight bull wins for most wins
in twelve years.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I boy Carrol too, man, he's like a pretty he's
been on the show before, but he seems like a
pretty cool guy.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Jo easy to root for.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It hell of a damn job, All right, joke, you
did a hell of a job too.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Sorry, it was just an analogy. Clemson website fans are
upset with Zokie. One guy says, I forgot what Bowl
game we lost, but Zokie that wasn't right. And it
was snowy, it was cold. They're not used to that. Yes,
and that game said seven hours. He ran into a
buzz soul on a winning streak too, you know what
I mean. My Nitney Lions are on fire end the season.
(30:51):
I mean, so they determinedly.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We're pretty sure if they played Ohio State right now,
pretty sure got a chance.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
So it's like, okay, on that note, it's getting it's
getting deep in here, and I don't have boots on
all right anyway, huh, Anyway, we'll deal with this. I
was gonna deal with one of the Texters, one of
the Texters that is giving negative vibes out because I
still believe there's a lot to be positive about.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Bony I too. Can you even know? Yesterday was it
a bomba nation offensive.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I gave a shout out back to my new friend,
big Ernest Perkins, that is the guy in the golf
cart that picked me up yesterday and brought me to
the doghouse, because it's amazing and Joks here, it's amazing
how many of the golf car drivers back because we
walk from the station to the stadium area, how many
of the golf car drivers wait for me, and why not?
Because they know I'm not going to make it all
(31:41):
the way back. They could see the way you're walking.
They're like that dude ain't geting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There was three in a row. I had to choose from.
This is not your own personal uber. They look.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
They look at people struggling to walk, like Bone and
the elderly to help.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's that's the first people they asked if they need to.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
At least tip? Well do you tip?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Oh yeah, no, yeah? I said how much? How much
do you need? He said, whatever you got?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Man? I hop right in there. Ernest Perkins, that's my man.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Out on the radio.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
There you go. Did y'all strike a deal or something
was going on there?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Then he said he's gonna pick me back up on
the way out, and never happy if he had to
have fine or pigs, never out walking distance.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So you're the man, Bone, You are a.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Sad man when we come back, sounds of panthers, all right,
So what were some of these guys saying? Mike Jack
was really happy to get that interception against his old team.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You'll hear that.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Robert Hunt just with an amazing quote about his body
trying to get his body going again, and much much
more coming up. It is the Mac and Bone Show.
Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I just got my hands too high, my hands too high.
As soon as I hit his face mask, I tried.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
To let go.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
He kind of sold it a little bit. Yeah, like
I hate his face mask. I ain't even like I
felt like, I ain't clinched. I ain't seen the replay,
but yeah, I seen him sell it. Uh, And yeah,
they caught it bad for on me. I gotta have
my hands, Lord, just get him out of the found,
especially on the down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
In distance when it happened.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Did you know against the lee that they were gonna Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yeah, when I seen the flag, I knew it was
I knew it was gonna be a face mask.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Sports Radio ninety two seven w f NZ. Great interview
with that Dolls by Bashti Hurt. After the game there,
Jac said it's on me. Man said it's on me.
Was it the most egregious face mask in the world? No,
does Fitty have a point on if you made a
rule change where it was a five yard face basket?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Infect? Yeah, does he have a point? Yeah, I have
a question, But.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
With that said, though fit It's like he said it.
When I saw that play, It's like, Bro, you don't
need to get your hands up there to bring him
down like you had one earlier where your hands up there,
and you might have got away with one, like you
could have just sold it well too.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Man was active.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
But how about the sales how about not only the
sales shop when he jerked his neck back, how about
when he went over actly he was hurt on the ground.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, Bro, the flag is already thrown. Bro, you got
the call. Get your ass up like he was driving me.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Crazy, Like when you saw the way, show him out
of bounds, Bro, when you saw the way the way
j s N went to the ground before the replay,
it's all he must have got his his neck. Just
he got that neck, Jacey got that neck. It's like, no,
he grazed. He great, Wait what did he do that?
Why are you on the ground?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Was he trying to say that he got poked in
the eye type thing or something?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I think so?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, But one play later he's in there making a
play on the ground, celebrating exactly like I think you were. Okay, Bro,
how much soccer you watch? And I say, this is
a guy that loves soccer, but that was soccer esque.
This is what the soccer guys do. You already have
call and you're on the ground still selling get your
heide up anyway, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Fit, We have more sounds to get to. What were
you gonna say over there? Just really quick?
Speaker 8 (35:09):
Because and from the majority of my lifetime, it's been
a fifteen yard penalty. If we bring back the five
yard penalty, is it like they're roughing the kicker or
running into the kicker? You could do something like that,
So because if you could, because in the old days
it's sort of been fourth down, right or was it
what if there was a fight?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, that's my thing. Automatic first. I don't know if
automatic first. My thing is J. C.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Horn.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know what you said it yourself. Don't get the
hand up that high man, and and listen. As good
as he is went through a whole game against Tampa,
they didn't target him once.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
As good as he is, he's prone to make some mistakes.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He is my life Monusky, my hands low guys. Yeah,
that was that was another crowd deflating moment. Also that
was killing. That was devastating. You're going off the field
down seven, major wet down moment, getting off the field
down freaking seven.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Man. But anyway, we digress because what the offense most
likely wouldn't have gone down to scores gotcha anyway, But anyway,
this team's is a work in progress. This team, man,
we're getting there, but we certainly ain't all the way there.
All right, let's go and continue here, Bone with some
more sounds. Mike Jack played an amazing football game. Eleven tackles,
(36:19):
so many of them at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
He was all over the place.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
He also had the interception of Darnold that he read
beautifully and just ran the route for Jackson Smith and
Jig but Who, he pointed out after the game, I
know his game.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's how you know. I don't know what he does.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Listened to Mike Jack because he was not bashful Bone
at admitting, Yeah, that meant something to do that against
the team that traded me for what he said was
a bag of chips.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
The interception in the end zone, can you take us
through the garity fool or retribution or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I they tried to SLUGO.
I felt the comment balling it. I just went and
got it, and it was kind of like running back
all the way down the sidelines, kind of like look
at me, not like you feel me. A lot of
them people used to laugh at me. I used to
come in the building five thirty in the morning and
it was just kind of like like, now you gotta
look at me, like So it was nice and just
(37:15):
to see dog k Scott frustrated walking down the sideline,
that was nice.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So you kind of downplayed it this week.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
But now you're saying, yeah, I had to because otherwise
I would have it would have been personal, and like
I can't play this game personally. Like for me, it's
just straight, strictly business. So I made that mistake in
the past, and I corrected it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
I'm a huge Mike Jack fan, and I think a
lot of his teammates are as well. You could tell
by the way they reacted to that Mac We'd said earlier.
He ran all the way down to the end zone,
but it wasn't like they do where the whole team
runs down. He ran down, got on his knees, looked
up to the sky. They all kind of like, let
him have his moment because they knew, they knew what
that play against that team meant to him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And what and what first of a couple of things.
Good thing that they didn't overturn that good thing. He
barely got his toes in bounds, because if those boys
had to play the next down, they would have been
gassed from the running all the way down the field.
The second thing is bony. What did we do with
the football right afterwards? Chewba fumbles the dam ball? Ye Like,
it's just the turnovers were killer, and then Bryce turns
(38:19):
one over right after that. We gave them short fields.
The defense could overcome just about everything yesterday, but they
could not overcome consistent short fields and no help from
the offense, the offense not being able to sustain drives
and rest give them rest.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I feel like they wore down a bit Bone. You
saw that late in the game.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I think against the run, great performance by the defense,
but it was completely wasted thanks to the garbage offensive performance.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Let's go now, Bone two. Who do we got now?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
We gotta do Dave canals. I'm noticing a lot of
people Bone have issue. I shouldn't say a lot, but
a few of you have issue that at the end
of the game, down seventeen, Dave Canalis just kneeled it out,
just took knees to the point where he did it
so early. See ya't got the ball back and had
taken me themselves for the game ended. Dave Canos was
asked about that after the game.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, I ran the ball in the first one, and
for me, like at that point, with seventeen points down,
with the amount of time we had, the important thing
for me is to make sure that we get to
this next game healthy at that point, and my brain
never went there before that drive. But once they scored
that last touchdown, I knew what it was. And Rico
looked good today running the ball when he had chances
to touch it, and so did Cuba, and you know,
(39:28):
I just wanted to make sure that we were able
to go into this next game at full strength.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I don't get people that are bothered we kneeled it out.
I what did What did he take away from the
comeback attempt? I like a salesman says he's playing chess.
He had a feeling we'd have a Saturday game. Wanted
to get that boys rested in a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I just what if someone got hurt when they tried
to play that out there and we have a championship
game next week.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah no, I just I don't What did it meant
we were losing the game, y'all? I just went yesterday
the chance to someone probably getting hurt was probably high.
How everything went wrong yesterday one of those days where
they just wanted to get they wanted to get.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Off the field. I don't understand either.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Some people were mad that the score was not displayed
in the Miami Tampa game because Dave Canalis did wanted
them to focus on themselves. It makes total sense to me,
and Smoke Ludwig pointed something, Now, listen, don't blame the
garbage performance on the fact that they didn't show that. Like,
I completely understand why coach would be like, it doesn't
(40:29):
matter what that team does if we don't win, So
just go win. Just go handle your own business. And
obviously we couldn't. Smoke Ludwig pointed out to me in
the press box. Ron Rivera did that in twenty fifteen
when we were trying to clinch the number one overall seed,
not put the Arizona score up. So if anybody wants
to criticize this, you're criticizing.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Ron Rivera too. It seems like a move that plenty
of coaches have done. I noticed right away that they
were not acknowledging that game. They did like the in
game updates, and they did like two or three games.
It was not one that was Tampa. There was the
other games that was going on. When they come on
with a little video, you know, produce package, and then
I noticed, like, you couldn't find this score anywhere in
the stadium. That's when I realized, oh, yeah, that has
(41:07):
to be an intentionality. I didn't notice back towards the
end of the game when all the defensive players I
noticed at one point did look up at the scoreboard.
I think they were probably looking for themselves, like, hey,
is Tampa I did They're actually probably curious what was
going on in that gig. They all sort of looked
up and they're trying to find I think the score
of that game.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think that's good coaching. Take care of your own business.
Obviously your offense was down. I think they all looked
around at the same time by the scoreboard, and it's
for fans. I'm pretty sure y'all have a scoreboard in
your pocket. Pretty sure you can access it. In the
Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, shout out Willie P.
Bagel Guy also shouts out Willie Pe. He says, Willi
P was going crazy about the kneel down. I have
(41:49):
to be honest with you, and I was trying to
be nice to the P man. It's the holidays. I
love this man, I truly do. I think he's awesome,
but we don't always see eye eye. Willie P was
freaking out having conniptions bone over things on the postgame show.
As I was driving home yesterday that I was just like,
why are you freaking out over this? Just like I
think he had a problem with the scoreboard not showing
(42:10):
the game, and it's like, how do you not understand
that coaching move?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Willie? You grew up a Jets fan like I did.
The Jets have been taken a knee for the last
forty years all right. By the way, if it's not
the victory, if it's not the victory formation, what is
that the defeat formation?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Like?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
What do we call that?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Is Texter seven of the defeat formation? This texter says,
Mac give it to the backups to the final two minutes.
You could, but some guys that matter would have to play.
For example, you don't have five backup offensive linemen active. Yeah, right,
Receivers you would have to play. Some receivers tight ends
you'd have to play. You'd have to put some guys
out there that you're counting on next week. What's the
(42:47):
point in risking their health?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
You could take a bunch of starters out and you
put Andy Dalton in, but some guys that you want
to have for next week. You already lost Sanders. What
if you lost Mitchell Evans. By the way, we haven't
even mentioned the best part of the game, Mitch push,
the fact that we actually snug it with Mitchell Evan's
and it worked, got it barely. I said, move, Mitch,
get out. Do they not do a push though? They
just did a flat out sneak and tremble behind there.
(43:11):
Get one cheek, get someone else grabbed the other cheek.
Let's go, I know, let's ride them cheeks to glory.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Seriously, we've been calling for that all right, Last thing, Mitchell, palsa,
last thing real quick here, Uh, Mitch, Mitchell push Losa,
That's what it should be. By the way, we got
ninety nine problems yesterday, but a Neil on eight one.
All right, the fact we got in that situation, all right,
that's your worst problem yesterday. You missed the first three hours.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Peanut says. Max said. Some people just say Willy P. Mack.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I was thinking about Willy P. But there were others
too that were were complaining about it. Oh my god,
pull yourself together. We're gonna keep Poulman.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
We're the better team. We're better than Tampa and we
win every other week. Damn it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Pull yourselves together, all right. I don't think we have
we have time. We don't have time for Rob Hunt,
do we No? All right, we'll play Rob Hunt coming
into the next segment, because it is. It's very funny,
and a lot of you are saying you can't bring
Rob Hunt back against Vita Vega. I love Austin Corbett.
I think he's really struggling right now. So I am
kind of in my mind wondering what percent of Rob
(44:15):
Hunt Bowe might be better.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
We're gonna play the Robin audio talk more offense on
the way back right from yesterday. Yeah, the hell's wrong
with these guys, what was what was your favorite passing
yard that Rice and Dave Hayter's mount up, you know,
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.