December 30, 2025 • 44 mins
In the third hour, Willie P & Fitty debate who is more to blame for the Panthers offensive struggles between Dave Canales and Bryce Young, as they both come to the defense of the QB, they talk about the start of the ACC play on the hardwood, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Allow me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
My name is I'm Willpe Logic Sports Radio ninety two
sevenfen C Bill guy did not appreciate the shots I
took at Yankee Stadium on the way out of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Sorry, no respect for the judges, Chambers.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was actually telling Shaggy on the text line, way
the schedule fits this season. FC actually gets a play
at City Field this year, So that part is encouraging
because they actually paint that closer to.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What our normal dimensions.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's still not where most fields are, but it's longer
than Yankee Stadium is and a little and wider as well,
so that that'll help Charlott f C come in here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I want to hear this, this comment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
From Pete Prisco and Danny caneal because number one, Pete
Prisco annoys me. Number two Danny Canell annoys me more.
And before we get to the Greg Alman, this is
this is something that that I don't want to say
grinded my gears when I heard this, but this this
was a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well they say the story today was they called Bryce show.
His teammates started calling him Ice young. Yeah, because he's
so cool. Well he melted today. I mean fifty four
yards passing. Fifty four that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
For an NFL quarterback in the NFL game, and in
twenty twenty five fifty four yards passing. It's a bad
game because he had We've been giving him a lot
of praise of the last couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He's he's had a couple of games where he's looked good.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
He's making a hard decision on CAROLINEA what to do
with him.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
For this it's a problem. He's not He's not the no.
I don't think he's the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Answer either, but he's made a big step forward, so
I think they could get fooled into thinking he's the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Long term Manser when I don't think he is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Max brosm only had fifty one yards and won a
game this week, So that's not an end all be all, but.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That is that is pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Max prosers in his second game, so so that they
were taking some gratuitous pot shots at Bryce, and I
think it's it's very disingenuous to just to sit there
and take pot shots at Bryce and discount the good
games that he's had in his career, Like Dallas game,
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three touchdown game, an interception that was not his fault
off a tip It was off a tip ball if
I remember correctly, free touchdown game against the La Rams,
free touchdown game against the Atlanta Falcons, game winning drive
against Green Bay. Again he wasn't great in that contest,
but needed to put together in form to drive when
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you needed to. And again I like he got a
lot of help there. And and while there are other
games that you look at and say he was not good,
this is the first time I look at him and
say that he was abjectly bad. But even still, it's
maybe a paling in comparison to you know, the fact
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that we look at this and say there were other
mitigating factors. And and it gets into this discussion that
we have about whether it's Bryce or whether it's Canalist,
And this is what I call the the chicken or
the egg discussion and kind of who deserves more of
the blame now? And you and I have been getting
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into a discussion with our mutual friend Gouch Grundleman about this.
He he does not like coach blaming. He feels that
coach blaming is somewhat is somewhat of a speechless thing
to do. It doesn't really solve a lot. Feel like
you're throwing darts at a paper tiger, and at the
end of the day, the players are the ones who
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are held accountable. I don't know if Bryce was put
in the best opportunity to win on Sunday period stop,
and whether that is up to Bryce to overcome that
and the players to overcome that. You mentioned earlier we
talked about Nick Sirianni. You know, teams winning despite their
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head coach. I think there may be is some of
that that sometimes comes into the Panthers perspective, But I
also think this team plays a lot for its head
coach and generally likes its head coach in contrast to
Sirianni and the Eagles, And again I hate praising them
because I'm not really a big fan of Theirs, but
I do think a lot of I think there are
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a lot of of things where you could say, are
are dividends that kind of runs similar to Weather's to
organizations set right now in terms of how they are built,
You've not had the same success level if you had
to blame if you had if you had to go
for a pie chart of the blame for what the
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offense looked like.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
How much of it is on Bryce? How much is
on Canalis?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'd probably go, I don't know, sixty forty, and I'm
gonna blame it more more on Dave because you know,
when you hear Dave talk about what went wrong, he
talks about what was being taken away in the checkdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think that was part of the game plan.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think Carolina wanted to play the way that they
played somewhat offensively on Sunday, and I think that was
just wrong. Now, part of it was they're probably wanting
to get those one on one matchups because you expect
your guys to make guys miss that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That did not That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But the last time that I looked at Bryce and
thought he was the problem, like he was the biggest
issue with what Carolina looked like as an offensive football
team was the Chargers game last year at home.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
In Week two? Oh what do you got bench? Even?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You know when the game against Denver when he came
back last year and they st he threw the touchdown
pass late that game was a lot closer than the
final score indicate. Remember canalsend Ford on two fourth downs
that gave Denver short fields and Denver scored two touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Too. Similar would have happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So I would lean that it's that it's more Canalis
than it is Bryce, because whenever they're aggressive Dallas game
last year was bad, Yeah, but they also I mean
they couldn't block one guy and that one guy, that
that one guy just wrecks shop. Because I feel like
whenever they're aggressive Willie and they're on the attack and
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he's letting Bryce throw the ball deep, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna bring all the stats to mattring Mac
brings you because everyone gets annoyed by a love of stats.
A lot of a lot of pffs, but it's a
lot of stats that indicat he's playing really good football.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is it elite number one draft pick football?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
No, maybe not, but it's still winning football, and it's
he's I think he's not getting enough credit for why
they are where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well here here's And I was in a knockdown dragout
with somebody who I mentioned before, and we were all
kind of going back and forth, the three of us, Me, Clinton, Gooch,
all three of us. And the problem is this is
that Bryce in the detractor's eyes, is still looked at
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as the guy they traded up to get and take
one Comma one, And I'm here to tell you, in
my heart of hearts, he's never going to live up
to that billing.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Period. Stop. He is not going to be that player. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Does that mean he can't be a winning player? Does
that mean that he can't win significant football games for Carolina?
Does that mean he can't eventually take them to a
deep playoff run? Maybe a super Bowl? Does not mean
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that there are worse quarterbacks at Bryce Young that have
super Bowls to their name.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
There are.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is he right now where you want him to be
at the end of year three?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Is he still too inconsistent to commit to him long term?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Absolutely? But is he getting a fifth year option? Don rdy?
Is you have not seen a level of football that
prevents you from having him be the starter in twenty
twenty six. They have won eight games. They're not going
away from Bryce Young to start next season. And quite frankly,
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I don't know if they go away from Bryce Young
to start year five unless it's abjectly bad or inconstant
to the level that it keeps the Panthers from repeating
this level of success next season. They they have a
situation with him that is not too dissimilar to the
New York Giants had with Dino Jones. And I hate
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bringing that up because it's just going to make Flounder
get angry. But it basically runs to the effect of
he is good enough for them to not have to
reset at the position and to make a hard reset
of the position. And I know that's an annoying spot
to be in. It feels like a player purgatory situation
for Carolina because of everything you gave up, And again,
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those are the sins of the previous regime. That's why
Fiterer got fired. He got fired because they went up
and went all in in the wrong year to go
get a quarterback. Now Canal's is brought in to try
and fix him, and for the most part, I think
he's done a good job mentoring Bryce. I think he's
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done a good job of trying to make things a
lot simpler for him. But I also think from a
play calling standpoint, he leaves a lot to be desired
in certain situations. I think it's incredibly concerning that we
don't have a good short yardage plan until literally this
week where we ended up saying, you know what, let's
sneak with Mitchell Evans for the first time ever.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So that part of it is is.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A I think you're having to kind of take your
lumps with Dave as a play caller and as a
head coach, and to me, I just don't know if
that window runs concurrent with where you want Bryce to be.
I think you need an established offensive mind to come
in here and get his hands on Bryce and say,
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you know what, this is where we end up having
to go to really better your career, and I think
the two of them together can do that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, the most important thing is that Bryce Shung has
offered this organization the ability to exhaust his rookie contract
and continue to build the roster up in a manner
that Scott Fiterer claimed to have done when he was
a GM Like whenever Scott Federer said we're literally a
quarterback away. That's where the Panthers are maybe heading with
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with or without Bryce Young, and maybe Bryce Young develops
into that guy.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's my hope, that's my prayer at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I want to win with Bryce Young, but if not,
I think he will give them the ability to exhaust
that build the roster up and then either go make
the move for another rookie that they draft and develop,
or maybe they go make a move for a veteran,
so on and so forth. I'm really intrigued, really interested,
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because I think Dave Canalis is a bright mind.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I do see when like some of his stuff that
he schemed up this year, some of his fourth down
play calling, you can see that there's potential there. I
would really interested in a Dave Canalis head coach often
coordinator that isn't him In a Bryce Young trio? What
does that? What does that look like? Maybe that gives
us the best evaluation of Bryce. And I think at
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some point you brought up like the one of one
because Cam was a one of one and Cam did
what he did, that's what fans are going to default to. Well,
look at what Cam did when he was the number
one overall draft pick after having won a Heisman Trophy
coming out.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Of the SEC. Different players.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's not He's not Cam No, and he's never going
to be Cam. He is a guy that as much
as I believe in him, and I believe in him,
probably as much as anybody here.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You have to have a lot around him.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Sure, is he ever going to elevate the talent level
around him in a way that you maybe expect a
number one overall pick to do that? Answers probably know.
But how many quarterbacks will he are doing that in
this era? Because we saw with Mahomes Mahomes needs dudes
like he has a great offensive play caller, but they
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have no one to throw the football to this year.
Homes average this year is part and parcel as to
why you know when when when they didn't have Rice
and when and when you know Travis Kelce is a
year older and and when they don't have a sound
running game and starting to become division and talent because
you're having to pay him more and then pay everybody
else less, Like there are very few people in this
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league at quarterback who can do it on their own.
He is one of them, but even he is getting
to the point where he needs help. There are again
this is the same discussion as the offensive coordinator and
head coach, head coach, as the as the play call
of scenario. There is again probably four or five of
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those dudes who can overcome bad elements and bad stimulus
around them and still win. And if it's his biggest
sin is he's never going to be one of those dudes.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And that's not his fault. The Panthers went all in
and the wrong year to get a quarterback, and someone
on the test I said, yeah, well we're stuck with him.
You could be stuck with a lot worse. All right,
he's he's He's not Brian Saint Pierre or Anthony Fossani
like like, Quit trying to put him in that category.
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He is somebody who is competent, able to run the
offense on more often than not. Is he going to
have the gaudy numbers all the time. No, But you
can win football games with him. You're gonna have to
craft the thing around him. Is it gonna be ugly
at times?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes? Is it always gonna be pretty?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But competent defense, skill position, talent, a strong running game,
teams that build foundations on that. It might not be
the way you want to win, and it might not
be the way that is easiest to win it today's NFL.
But I'll tell you one thing, if you're talking about
a window of winning, I take a season like this
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over being abjectly awful and trying to go back in
the quarterback market and dip it in again next year,
because guess what, next year ain't the year to look
for a quarterback either, So pardon me if I'm and
look drafting a quarterback probably something that's in the cards
for them this year, not early, not middle rounds, maybe
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late to get somebody in that Jack plumber ish role,
because you know, you want to try to take a shot.
Maybe you get Brock Perdy, maybe you get Jack Plumber,
who knows. But I do think it's a situation where
maybe you at least look at it, you look at
maybe you're bringing in a competent backup to at least
stabilize things that from that percent, because it doesn't look
like Andy Dalton can do it anymore. But sitting here
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and saying that you know that Bryce can't win based
off of a fifty four yard game against a pretty
darn good defense is, in my opinion, the forest for
the trees. And I do think that Dave Canalis needs
to be taking a task for some of the decision
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Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is this black man with black hair, La, He's got
it in?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Stay on it thus front child, you know what, I
think it's God's so good?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sports Ready on ninety two seven wfn Z. Will he
pe here with you? Looking at some of the comments here,
people are angry because I'm discounting c J. Stroud when
I said it was the wrong year to get a quarterback.
But I mean I also disagree with that. Like I thought,
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I thought it was. I was very consistent last year. Okay,
let's let's let's be fair here.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I felt like it was. And he hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Otherworldly this year either. He's eighteen touchdowns, eight interceptions.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I felt like between those two dudes, them moving up,
like it made a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Sense, Like I got, I got why they did.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It made sense for their timeline. I don't know if
it made sense for what was out there.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, I think, I mean, because we had the discussion
last week with the young guns, you know, did have
both teams won the trade because where Carolina is, where
Chicago is, and that My argument was yes, because I
do think Bryce is on the path to proving to
be the guy. And what Chicago has done now under
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Ben Johnson and how those draft picks have been fulfilled.
I think they feel like they've won the trade as
as well. Now when you go back to that draft process,
I did make the like I was a stroud guy
going in because of because of the body, because of
and the last time we saw him on film, like
if what he was in that game against Georgia was
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soon he was going to be at the NFL level.
You draft that guy number one overall every time, you
don't think twice about it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But that's not who he was in college.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You saw that two three times where Bryce, I mean
Bryce was a dude in college, didn't win a Natty,
one of the rare Bama quarterbacks understatement to not do so,
but I mean was a was a certified baller. And
the league now protects guys at his that have his size.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And height limitations.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Sometimes those guys for the most part are protected, and
so you can you can win with him sure, Like
whenever it looks bad, it's not because he's five to ten.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, I'm not I'm not argue with you on bry
I'm what I'm saying is I think Bryce Bryce is
held to that standard, and somebody on the text line said, oh,
Xcel has never given grace for for how high he
was drafted. I I think, I think we we've given
Excel plenty of flack regardless, and and maybe maybe you
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feel like the flac that Xcel gets is maybe not
equivalent irrespective to Bryce, but at the same point in time,
the two are connected, and it does seem like a
mental thing when it comes to Excel, which is I
think a little bit of a different thing with with
with with Bryce, you can be angry that there are
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other things that need to happen correctly for him to
be there. He's never going to it you have. If
you've made up your mind that you don't like Bryce,
it's because you're uncomfortable with the fact that he's never
going to be somebody who overcomes bad stimulus or around him,
and that's just something you're going to have to reconcile
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or just be angry at the Panthers because he ain't
going anywhere like he has to have things just right.
That's an almost incontro uncomfortable fact right now. And if
that makes you mad as a Panther fan, that I
can't help you. I just can't. It does not change
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the fact that they are one went away from making
the playoffs, and a lot of that is due to
play that he has had this season. Of the most
important things that have happened for the Panthers this season,
his game winning drives are no lower than two. In
the way that you go about finding out how do
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you win this division? Like it took him executing big
drives down the stretch to get the Panthers in this position,
and I think, Deny, that is not fair to him,
and you're being incredibly disingenuous by doing so. Is he
a perfect quarterback? Absolutely not. Will he ever live up
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to one coma one? Probably not from a talent aspect,
from the way it's supposed to look for somebody who
was who was beholden to that number. This draft, honestly,
in twenty three, it reminds me a lot of the
ninety nine draft. There was a generational quarterback taken second
in that draft. There was Donovan McNabb. Do I think
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CJS Drivers is good at Donod McNabb now I own,
but think of the other quarterbacks taken in that draft,
Tim Couch, Achille Smith, Dante Culpepper, who's probably the second
best of them, and again second best is carrying a
lot of heavyweight.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There good, not great.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Cad McNown, Sean King, brock Hewar, Joe Germain, Aaron Brooks,
Kevin Daft, you've never heard of him, Michael Bishop, Chris
Greeson of Northwest Missouri State, and Scott Covington. Those were
the drafted quarterbacks in nine ninety nine. So so pardon
me if I don't think that I missed out on
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the second coming when they took Bryce over CJ. Stroud
when CJ has been inconsistent himself. And I will also add,
as somebody pointed out on the text line, c J.
Stroud is a darn good defense around him and much
better personnel suited to his talent level. And I think
a better coach on his side of the football than
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than what the Panthers have.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, and I think that's That's one thing that I
try to point out is coaching matters in any at
any professional sport. This coaching matters the most in the
National Football League, it just does. Like like basketball, it
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helps to have a Greg Popovich, but it comes down
to who usually used, who has more talent.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's the biggest thing in the NBA is managing personalities.
Maybe you can drop a good out of bounds play.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
In baseball, the manager doesn't even have control over his
lineup anymore. The four eyed geeks in the front office do.
And I mean, and then I would I mean, I
don't know enough about hockey to speak on how much
of an influence a hockey coach has on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'd say more than the NBA, but not more than
the others.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But like, like coaching and scheme and all that stuff matters.
And he has been held back at different times by
Dave Canalis. There have been times that Dave Canalos has
put him in a position to succeed, but it hasn't
been consistently. And until until that happens, that's when you'll
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get the best evaluation of Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I've heard too many I've seen too many people overreact
to the passing yards number this week, like like like, oh,
the man only through for fifty four yards or fifty
six yards or whatever. It was, like, too many of
you are reacting to this one game and one moment.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Seattle is not dog do okay.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, you know Colin brought up yesterday, fourteen of the
sixteen games they have passed under two hundred yards, which
that number, Okay, that number is appalling. Yes, that number
does stand out when you look at the way that
the game is played. But we've also told you what
is the strength of this football team. This team when
they're playing at their best, when they're operating and the
way they want to play. They want to run the
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football and they want to limit possessions like you they
won't they how many six eight possession games has this
team played this year?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Quite a bit?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Now, some of those is because the defensive gives you know,
it's eleven the minute scoring drive up, a seven and
a half minute scoring drive up, and that's but also
times the Panthers just march down the field i e.
The Rams game, and they're just eating that clock up.
They're like they're like me at the going to crowd.
They're just eating and eating and eating, and they're shortening
the game.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That does play a rolling house. That's house stats. Look
at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Of something and something you brought up earlier. This team
does not play many shootouts. No, they don't play many
games that you know they want to get seventeen fourteen.
You're not You're not getting many forty and fifty point
combined games, which tend to usually bring you more gaudy numbers,
So so you're you're literally leaning on a little bit
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of a very stricter plate. I think that the game
that probably leaded itself the most to that the two
games really the Dallas game and the Atlanta game, Atlanta
on the road game, I should say those are the
two games that probably leaded itself most to those kind
of contests. And Young was one ninety nine in the
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Dallas game, four forty eight in the Atlanta game. I
also think too, Again, you know, while Atlanta is not great,
they also have a pretty good defense, and he carved
him up twice. So you know, the the issue with
people saying that, oh, the numbers don't look as good.
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I was one of those guys earlier in the season.
I eventually came to the point where it's like, you
know what, they're winning, and it's not despite him. I
think a lot of times there have been there have
been days they've won despite the offense.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
They've they've won despite the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I no, no one will sit here and tell you
more about how much the defense has confounded them than
I would. But I keep coming back to the fact
that I want to see him under a play call
that's not the head coach, because I think that could
do a world of good. I could be I could
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come back next year at this time and we sit
in the same position and sit here and say that
that that Bryce is not changed, is still the same,
And let's say, you know what, maybe the year that
is following the one that's next is his last year
as the quarterback. You owe him the ability to see
out the five years. I'm not committing to him long term.
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I'm committing to him for this upcoming season, and I'm
committing to him for his fifth year option, which is
going to be in a bargain comparative to whether you
have to franchise him or sign to a long term
deal up the next year if he balls out.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, because I feel like if they're in this same
position next year, even maybe if the division is still
on the line going to the final week of the
regular season, don't you feel like they might be inclined
to move on? Like I think if we're if we're
at this point again next year, then Dave Canals could
probably make the argument, Hey, it's it's him, not me,
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Like I've gotten this here without having the type of
quarterback play that that I want, that I need that my.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
System can produced because we saw what.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, the offense wasn't great the year he was
the coordinator in Tampa, but we we saw what it
what it what it could be with with with the
weapons that they have.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
The people keep coming back to me and say, how
many times does he throw for more than two hundred yards?
I'll tell you in the second half last year, these
were the throwing numbers. Two sixty three, two ninety eight one,
two nineteen one fifty eight, two oh three, two fifty one.
That's from the Kansas City game onward. That's also not
including a two twenty four game against Denver. The passing
yards thing you guys have to stop. Okay, quarterbacks can
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win a game throwing for only two hundred yards in
games that end seventeen fourteen, twenty seventeen, et cetera, and
so on.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Fitty basically gave you the math.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's very, very hard when you're only getting the ball
six times a game to throw for more than two
hundred three hundred yards, especially with how much they run
the football like it's it's not like this offense is
just this anemic tracked all the time. They're doing enough
to win football games, and that that's that's the most
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important thing. Are you winning, If you're if you're so concerned,
if we're so concerned with how we're winning, then by god,
I'm happy how far we've come. Because we used to
complain about not winning enough, and now we're complaining about.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
How it looks that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That tells me we've come a long way. Fiddy, Yeah,
you're you're you're You're not wrong. I don't know how
many quarterbacks would thrive with the limited receivers that he's
had at his disposal this year, still getting very little separation.
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You know, how many offensive line combinations have they had
this year?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And and look, I mean like a lot of morbid
steps on his foot every you know, it feels like,
you know, once twice a gamey.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Quantum still can't pass block in year four.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Your your leading receiver is a is a wide receiver
that we all gripe the complaint about on draft night
them spending the draft pick on him. I just I
don't know how many. I don't know how many quarterbacks
would thrive. I don't know how many quarterbacks would Excel.
I think he is making the most of what he
has around him. M hmm, and quite simply, that's not enough.
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Like I don't know what we'll be doing come draft time.
I don't know someone goes. I'd rather half Max brosmer
get lost. But we could be talking about adding another
offensive player in the first round. Where this team needs
a pass rusher, this team needs a linebacker. But depending
on where they're picking in the draft, BPA could be
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an offensive player, another offensive lineman. Like they need to
add to the line. They need to get a pass
catching tight end. Sure, you need to get another You
need to get another wide receiver because Excel like that,
it's not working.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Excel is done.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He's never going to be a difference maker at his
position in the National Football League and that can be
frustrating too, where they've tried to build around him and
they missed.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Conta says, how many excuses are you guys going to
make to justify the pick on the draft? Come on, guys,
that's ridiculous. I'm not justifying the pick. You can't change
the history, Pecante, you can't change it. What I'm trying
to tell you is the problems under Bryce, a lot
of them are, don't change. With Stroud. You get a
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guy who's three four five inches taller, still has receivers,
who can't separate, still has dudes in his face when
he throws, still has a play caller who's learning on
the job. All those things don't change. Is the record
appreciably better than it is now? I don't think so.
And if you think so, we'll never be proven right,
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either of one of us. But pardon me if if
I'm trying to say, hey, maybe it's more than the dude.
And I'll even tell you the dude's gotta play better,
no question about it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I gave you the three scenarios that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He had no protection, he had no separation or anybody
to throw to, and the opportunities when he had both
those things working in his favor, he did not make
the throw. So, yes, it is on him to be better.
No one's saying he, No one's saying otherwise. What we're
saying is there are contributing and mitigating factors to it.
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And part of that's on the head coach. Yep, that's
all I'm saying. I think we're all. I think we
all want the same thing. We all want them to win.
We all wanted to look nice and pretty. Here's the problem.
They people see what what Alan and Mahomes in his
heyday and all these other quarterbacks do, and they wonder,
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why can't our guy do that? And I'm here to
tell you it ain't gonna happen. And that might piss
you off, but guess what your one win away or
a Falcons went away from winning the division, and you
know what if you get in the tournament, see what
happens that makes you pretty darn happy. As somebody roots
with this team seven four five, seven zero nine six ten,
we will come back. We get to uh talk some
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hoops now. Next Fiddy Carolina opening ACC played it out
against Florida State, some other ACC odds and ends with
conference At the beginning of this week, sports Ready on
ninety seven WFNZ.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
From Doc on a Fandel touch line.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Will you're flat out dead wrong on coach, They've took
over a way worse situation here and in here two
as them finding her a playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But I know you hate everything Panthers. But you are wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
When did I I hate everything Panthers?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I hate everything Panthers. No, just a Jaron Vero that's
what you hate? Hey man. Yeah, those guys playing Yeah,
those guys playing Salt the other day. Yeah, they played
they played their tails.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That was that was That was incredible work. Scorton's going
to be a problem. Well that's the problem. See, this
is what this is why, this is why what happened
on Sunday ticked me off so much because you got
you got an incredible performance for that defense.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
It was wasted. That's the thing. They got me angry
about it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But we'll get it. We'll get into it a little
bit more. At nine o'clock. We will spin it forward.
We'll spin the tape forward and give you our look
at Tampa Part two. We're gonna talk to the beast
I heard also final hour of the program. But before
we do that, we'll talk some ACC hoops. Heels open
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up the ACC tonight off the best non conference start
since OL eight on nine National Championship year twelve and one.
The record they can go on to Florida State team.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That is. This is not Leonard Hamilton's bunch. Now this
is a.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
A rebuilding since they come in seven and six in
the non conference season. At the Dean Dome game, you
pour ten to win. I guess my first question to you.
From from a conference standpoint, it feels like it's Duke
of Carolina and then the and then the field. From
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a acc standpoint, I don't know if there's another team
that you can look at and say has a chance
to lay a claim. Maybe Louisville, but that would be
if Carolina and Duke beat each other up and then
the grunt and brunt of the season gets to them
with some of the road venues allowed to play in,
knowing you're gonna get everybody else's best shot.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, I think the bigger issue with Louisville is they're
they're a one trick like they they've they've they've they've
got one thing that they can do really, really well,
which is they can shoot it right, which works on
some Knights and doesn't work on this. We've seen them
have two bad shoot Knights. We've seen them get you know,
just pummeled inside, overwhelmed. But look, they've they've got maybe
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the best ex's and hose coach in the in the
league and Pat Kelce they're going to factor into this thing.
I think they're I think they're the three best teams.
I think it's I think Duke's the best. I think
Carolina second. Do you Louisville right there at third?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do you give Virginia any any any punchers chance because
Ryan Otoms got them playing well.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, because they can score with anybody. I mean, they've
already scored over eighty points or more. I think it's
like a total of fourteen games or it's it's some
ridiculous number that really puts into perspective the type of
offense that that program had played under Tony Bennett and
last year under Ron Sanchez. I think those are the
four best teams. I have State coming in in fifth,
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but the league's better.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You've got a you know, a number of teams in
the top fifty in the NET. You've got a number
of teams in the top seventy five in the NET.
So're we're gonna have more competitive games, more instabl a
tournament resume type of games in the league this year
than you had then you had a year ago. And
that's that's a good thing, obviously for my team. Because
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they can actually build a legitimate resume to be a
you know, a really high I seed. But it's just
really good for the league that they've been able to
respond after some down years.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Well, that's the thing that I think. And I talked
about this with Mike Jaminski. You'll hear from him in
just a moment, But one of the things I asked
him is, you know, it is the hype for the
league real now or does this almost kind of feel
like they've been given a little charity here based on
the way that they've been treated over the course the
last couple of years. And he basically said it was
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a little bit of both. And again, the the thing
that you have this year, you have some big non
conference wins that you can really hang your hat on.
It was a lot more even this year when you
think about the AECSC challenge. And also it comes down
to the fact that that this is a conference that
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had had to sustain the loss of some pretty big names,
you know, and I know that we're still pretty far
moved from from roy and.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Leaving.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's something where it's taken a little bit of time
for them to kind of replenish talent and now they
are starting to get those type of other World league talents. Again,
a lot of times it's just cyclical and sometimes you
just don't get the kind of players you normally would.
But you've got two guys leading Duke and Carolina right
now who are neck and neck. You know, I know
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Boozer is still the odds on favorite to win Player
of the Year nationally and most definitely in the conference.
But Caleb Wilson's right there in terms of the conference.
He's not getting the national love quite yet. Do you
think you can get to that level?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I think so, because now that the bye game season
is over for Carolina, the production where he's on pace
to average a double double as a freshman be the
highest average scoring freshman in program history. You don't do
that at UNC and then not getting noticed. And you know,
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I've been annoyed by the lack of attention he has received.
You know, a guy that robbed Astro, a guy that
I respect, the way that he covers the sport that
I love, basically saying that he's not that heffishing to
have a player because he misses dunks. It's been kind
of odd that he hasn't gotten the same amount of
fanfare that Boozer has gotten a duke, you know, CoA
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Pete Gott of Arizona, some other freshmen around the country.
I do think that's going to change as we get
here into league play and when and when, when the
when those two two teams tangle on Tobacco Road. I mean,
it's going to be throwback. It's going to be like
when Sheldon Williams and and Sean May were going at
each other. That's how good these two guys are. And
it's going to be really fun to watch them. And
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you know, he's been everything and more that he was
supposed to be as a top ten recruit, and it's
it's been really fun to watch his game blossom.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I had a great conversation with Mike Jaminski, of course,
of c w Fame, longtime ACC basketball commentator. UH has
a great basketball classic going on over the course of
this week at Marve Rich High School in Waxaw. He
had to say about Caleb Wilson and his All Conference
chances this year.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Taleb Wilson, He's a special player and it's a it's
amazing to see the maturity level in his game. And
I think that's the thing that strikes me about a
lot of the freshmen around the country is they don't
play like freshmen and their game is so well rounded.
You know, if he's got one deficiency, maybe it's his
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lack of three point range, but that'll come and I
you know, he's he's going to have a strong, strong year.
He's going to be you know, obviously right there for
Freshman of the Year, but also player of the Year
in the conference.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
If there's a differentiating factor between Duke and Carolina, is
it just simply that Boozer's better and as he goes,
they go, or is there something else you point out
to say that that could be something that makes you
feel like they can't overcome that.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I think the differential factor would be coaching. I think
you would just have to say that John Shires a
better head coach than Hubert Davis.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
How hard is that? How hard is that for you? Man? Hey?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Look, look, I know I'm dressed in head to toe
and Carolina blue. But I can't be objective when when
I want to be when I need to be, because
what because I think Carolina's deeper. I think Carolina has
the second scoring option behind Cavil Wilson.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The Duke does not have night In Night Out. They
definitely do feel deeper. I mean, think about that game
that Duke just lost. I mean, depth was a significant
issue for them. And you know, one of the things
I talk with Tebow all the time is that he's
lamenting the fact that they really can't go beyond six
or seven.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I mean, and look, most people don't want to go
buy six to seven anymore. I mean, I think it's
better to go eight to nine. Carolina was sept tremble
Back can and so I think that would be it
because Duke doesn't have their Henry Vasar Carolina does. You
got two guys averaging north of sixteen points per game,
two guys averaging north of nine rebounds per game while
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both shooting over fifty five percent from the field, Vasar
shooting over sixty percent from the field, fifty percent from three.
You get Seth tremble Back. So now you've got three
guys that you know, night In Night Out are probably
going to score and score a lot. This gives twenty
eleven twenty twelve vibes with Barnes, John Henson, Tyler Zeller
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looks a little bit different, But those two that trio
carried Carolina to an ACC championship, carried them all the
way to an Elite eight.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Is this core poison that we'll find out?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So, but that would be like if if Duke emerges
as the team, I think you would just have to
tip your cap that John Shier hands down as a
better coach than Hubert.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Mentioned by the text line the Michigan State game probably
a big reason why Wilson isn't getting much of the hype.
So on the text line seven or four numbers saying
that they eventually essentially got beat up in that game,
And that's something that's a pretty pression point there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I mean, I guess it was a two point game
with under eight time out on the second half, and
in Michigan State went on a run. Also, that team
can win the Big Ten, can get to a Final four,
to win a national championship. Like, that's not a bad
loss by any means. You know, I'm not sitting here
saying I want to lose. But it wasn't like they
lost a team that they.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Should have lost to.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
If again we're calling it a quality loss, it's a
quality loss.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And it was the first time the freshmen played on
you know, away from home in a big time environment
against a school like Michigan State. He's responded well here
recently what he did against Kentucky Georgetown in some other.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Games Carolina Florida State Tonight Florida State seven wins coming
against Quad four opponents, So it should be one for
Carolina to get themselves off to a good start again.
Tomorrow it's a State and Wake Duke plays Georgia Tech tomorrow.
All those games happening tomorrow in the afternoon before the
big college football playoff game and also before the ball
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drops as well. It is the back and Bone Show
sports right and I just have an WFNZ will come
back final hour the program kicks off. We will now
be a little bit more optimistics and get to the
point where we're getting into Tampa on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And also is it a point in
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Time where we're happy to be here or we all
rather to be disappointed if it doesn't work out on
Saturday slash Sunday Sports Friday ninety seven WFNZ
Allow me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
My name is I'm Willpe Logic Sports Radio ninety two
sevenfen C Bill guy did not appreciate the shots I
took at Yankee Stadium on the way out of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Sorry, no respect for the judges, Chambers.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was actually telling Shaggy on the text line, way
the schedule fits this season. FC actually gets a play
at City Field this year, So that part is encouraging
because they actually paint that closer to.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What our normal dimensions.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's still not where most fields are, but it's longer
than Yankee Stadium is and a little and wider as well,
so that that'll help Charlott f C come in here.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I want to hear this, this comment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
From Pete Prisco and Danny caneal because number one, Pete
Prisco annoys me. Number two Danny Canell annoys me more.
And before we get to the Greg Alman, this is
this is something that that I don't want to say
grinded my gears when I heard this, but this this
was a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well they say the story today was they called Bryce show.
His teammates started calling him Ice young. Yeah, because he's
so cool. Well he melted today. I mean fifty four
yards passing. Fifty four that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
For an NFL quarterback in the NFL game, and in
twenty twenty five fifty four yards passing. It's a bad
game because he had We've been giving him a lot
of praise of the last couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He's he's had a couple of games where he's looked good.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
He's making a hard decision on CAROLINEA what to do
with him.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
For this it's a problem. He's not He's not the no.
I don't think he's the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Answer either, but he's made a big step forward, so
I think they could get fooled into thinking he's the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Long term Manser when I don't think he is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Max brosm only had fifty one yards and won a
game this week, So that's not an end all be all, but.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That is that is pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Max prosers in his second game, so so that they
were taking some gratuitous pot shots at Bryce, and I
think it's it's very disingenuous to just to sit there
and take pot shots at Bryce and discount the good
games that he's had in his career, Like Dallas game,
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three touchdown game, an interception that was not his fault
off a tip It was off a tip ball if
I remember correctly, free touchdown game against the La Rams,
free touchdown game against the Atlanta Falcons, game winning drive
against Green Bay. Again he wasn't great in that contest,
but needed to put together in form to drive when
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you needed to. And again I like he got a
lot of help there. And and while there are other
games that you look at and say he was not good,
this is the first time I look at him and
say that he was abjectly bad. But even still, it's
maybe a paling in comparison to you know, the fact
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that we look at this and say there were other
mitigating factors. And and it gets into this discussion that
we have about whether it's Bryce or whether it's Canalist,
And this is what I call the the chicken or
the egg discussion and kind of who deserves more of
the blame now? And you and I have been getting
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into a discussion with our mutual friend Gouch Grundleman about this.
He he does not like coach blaming. He feels that
coach blaming is somewhat is somewhat of a speechless thing
to do. It doesn't really solve a lot. Feel like
you're throwing darts at a paper tiger, and at the
end of the day, the players are the ones who
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are held accountable. I don't know if Bryce was put
in the best opportunity to win on Sunday period stop,
and whether that is up to Bryce to overcome that
and the players to overcome that. You mentioned earlier we
talked about Nick Sirianni. You know, teams winning despite their
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head coach. I think there may be is some of
that that sometimes comes into the Panthers perspective, But I
also think this team plays a lot for its head
coach and generally likes its head coach in contrast to
Sirianni and the Eagles, And again I hate praising them
because I'm not really a big fan of Theirs, but
I do think a lot of I think there are
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a lot of of things where you could say, are
are dividends that kind of runs similar to Weather's to
organizations set right now in terms of how they are built,
You've not had the same success level if you had
to blame if you had if you had to go
for a pie chart of the blame for what the
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offense looked like.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
How much of it is on Bryce? How much is
on Canalis?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'd probably go, I don't know, sixty forty, and I'm
gonna blame it more more on Dave because you know,
when you hear Dave talk about what went wrong, he
talks about what was being taken away in the checkdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think that was part of the game plan.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think Carolina wanted to play the way that they
played somewhat offensively on Sunday, and I think that was
just wrong. Now, part of it was they're probably wanting
to get those one on one matchups because you expect
your guys to make guys miss that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That did not That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But the last time that I looked at Bryce and
thought he was the problem, like he was the biggest
issue with what Carolina looked like as an offensive football
team was the Chargers game last year at home.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
In Week two? Oh what do you got bench? Even?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You know when the game against Denver when he came
back last year and they st he threw the touchdown
pass late that game was a lot closer than the
final score indicate. Remember canalsend Ford on two fourth downs
that gave Denver short fields and Denver scored two touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Too. Similar would have happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So I would lean that it's that it's more Canalis
than it is Bryce, because whenever they're aggressive Dallas game
last year was bad, Yeah, but they also I mean
they couldn't block one guy and that one guy, that
that one guy just wrecks shop. Because I feel like
whenever they're aggressive Willie and they're on the attack and
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he's letting Bryce throw the ball deep, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna bring all the stats to mattring Mac
brings you because everyone gets annoyed by a love of stats.
A lot of a lot of pffs, but it's a
lot of stats that indicat he's playing really good football.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Is it elite number one draft pick football?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
No, maybe not, but it's still winning football, and it's
he's I think he's not getting enough credit for why
they are where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well here here's And I was in a knockdown dragout
with somebody who I mentioned before, and we were all
kind of going back and forth, the three of us, Me, Clinton, Gooch,
all three of us. And the problem is this is
that Bryce in the detractor's eyes, is still looked at
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as the guy they traded up to get and take
one Comma one, And I'm here to tell you, in
my heart of hearts, he's never going to live up
to that billing.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Period. Stop. He is not going to be that player. Now.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Does that mean he can't be a winning player? Does
that mean that he can't win significant football games for Carolina?
Does that mean he can't eventually take them to a
deep playoff run? Maybe a super Bowl? Does not mean
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that there are worse quarterbacks at Bryce Young that have
super Bowls to their name.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
There are.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is he right now where you want him to be
at the end of year three?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Is he still too inconsistent to commit to him long term?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Absolutely? But is he getting a fifth year option? Don rdy?
Is you have not seen a level of football that
prevents you from having him be the starter in twenty
twenty six. They have won eight games. They're not going
away from Bryce Young to start next season. And quite frankly,
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I don't know if they go away from Bryce Young
to start year five unless it's abjectly bad or inconstant
to the level that it keeps the Panthers from repeating
this level of success next season. They they have a
situation with him that is not too dissimilar to the
New York Giants had with Dino Jones. And I hate
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bringing that up because it's just going to make Flounder
get angry. But it basically runs to the effect of
he is good enough for them to not have to
reset at the position and to make a hard reset
of the position. And I know that's an annoying spot
to be in. It feels like a player purgatory situation
for Carolina because of everything you gave up, And again,
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those are the sins of the previous regime. That's why
Fiterer got fired. He got fired because they went up
and went all in in the wrong year to go
get a quarterback. Now Canal's is brought in to try
and fix him, and for the most part, I think
he's done a good job mentoring Bryce. I think he's
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done a good job of trying to make things a
lot simpler for him. But I also think from a
play calling standpoint, he leaves a lot to be desired
in certain situations. I think it's incredibly concerning that we
don't have a good short yardage plan until literally this
week where we ended up saying, you know what, let's
sneak with Mitchell Evans for the first time ever.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So that part of it is is.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A I think you're having to kind of take your
lumps with Dave as a play caller and as a
head coach, and to me, I just don't know if
that window runs concurrent with where you want Bryce to be.
I think you need an established offensive mind to come
in here and get his hands on Bryce and say,
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you know what, this is where we end up having
to go to really better your career, and I think
the two of them together can do that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, the most important thing is that Bryce Shung has
offered this organization the ability to exhaust his rookie contract
and continue to build the roster up in a manner
that Scott Fiterer claimed to have done when he was
a GM Like whenever Scott Federer said we're literally a
quarterback away. That's where the Panthers are maybe heading with
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with or without Bryce Young, and maybe Bryce Young develops
into that guy.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's my hope, that's my prayer at this point.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I want to win with Bryce Young, but if not,
I think he will give them the ability to exhaust
that build the roster up and then either go make
the move for another rookie that they draft and develop,
or maybe they go make a move for a veteran,
so on and so forth. I'm really intrigued, really interested,
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because I think Dave Canalis is a bright mind.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I do see when like some of his stuff that
he schemed up this year, some of his fourth down
play calling, you can see that there's potential there. I
would really interested in a Dave Canalis head coach often
coordinator that isn't him In a Bryce Young trio? What
does that? What does that look like? Maybe that gives
us the best evaluation of Bryce. And I think at
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some point you brought up like the one of one
because Cam was a one of one and Cam did
what he did, that's what fans are going to default to. Well,
look at what Cam did when he was the number
one overall draft pick after having won a Heisman Trophy
coming out.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Of the SEC. Different players.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's not He's not Cam No, and he's never going
to be Cam. He is a guy that as much
as I believe in him, and I believe in him,
probably as much as anybody here.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You have to have a lot around him.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Sure, is he ever going to elevate the talent level
around him in a way that you maybe expect a
number one overall pick to do that? Answers probably know.
But how many quarterbacks will he are doing that in
this era? Because we saw with Mahomes Mahomes needs dudes
like he has a great offensive play caller, but they
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have no one to throw the football to this year.
Homes average this year is part and parcel as to
why you know when when when they didn't have Rice
and when and when you know Travis Kelce is a
year older and and when they don't have a sound
running game and starting to become division and talent because
you're having to pay him more and then pay everybody
else less, Like there are very few people in this
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league at quarterback who can do it on their own.
He is one of them, but even he is getting
to the point where he needs help. There are again
this is the same discussion as the offensive coordinator and
head coach, head coach, as the as the play call
of scenario. There is again probably four or five of
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those dudes who can overcome bad elements and bad stimulus
around them and still win. And if it's his biggest
sin is he's never going to be one of those dudes.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And that's not his fault. The Panthers went all in
and the wrong year to get a quarterback, and someone
on the test I said, yeah, well we're stuck with him.
You could be stuck with a lot worse. All right,
he's he's He's not Brian Saint Pierre or Anthony Fossani
like like, Quit trying to put him in that category.
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He is somebody who is competent, able to run the
offense on more often than not. Is he going to
have the gaudy numbers all the time. No, But you
can win football games with him. You're gonna have to
craft the thing around him. Is it gonna be ugly
at times?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes? Is it always gonna be pretty?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But competent defense, skill position, talent, a strong running game,
teams that build foundations on that. It might not be
the way you want to win, and it might not
be the way that is easiest to win it today's NFL.
But I'll tell you one thing, if you're talking about
a window of winning, I take a season like this
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over being abjectly awful and trying to go back in
the quarterback market and dip it in again next year,
because guess what, next year ain't the year to look
for a quarterback either, So pardon me if I'm and
look drafting a quarterback probably something that's in the cards
for them this year, not early, not middle rounds, maybe
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late to get somebody in that Jack plumber ish role,
because you know, you want to try to take a shot.
Maybe you get Brock Perdy, maybe you get Jack Plumber,
who knows. But I do think it's a situation where
maybe you at least look at it, you look at
maybe you're bringing in a competent backup to at least
stabilize things that from that percent, because it doesn't look
like Andy Dalton can do it anymore. But sitting here
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and saying that you know that Bryce can't win based
off of a fifty four yard game against a pretty
darn good defense is, in my opinion, the forest for
the trees. And I do think that Dave Canalis needs
to be taking a task for some of the decision
making he has during some of these games. Seven four, five, seven, nine, six,
ten More panther talk when we returned Sports Ready on
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nine eighty seven WFNZ.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is this black man with black hair, La, He's got
it in?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Stay on it thus front child, you know what, I
think it's God's so good?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sports Ready on ninety two seven wfn Z. Will he
pe here with you? Looking at some of the comments here,
people are angry because I'm discounting c J. Stroud when
I said it was the wrong year to get a quarterback.
But I mean I also disagree with that. Like I thought,
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I thought it was. I was very consistent last year. Okay,
let's let's let's be fair here.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I felt like it was. And he hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Otherworldly this year either. He's eighteen touchdowns, eight interceptions.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I felt like between those two dudes, them moving up,
like it made a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Sense, Like I got, I got why they did.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
It made sense for their timeline. I don't know if
it made sense for what was out there.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, I think, I mean, because we had the discussion
last week with the young guns, you know, did have
both teams won the trade because where Carolina is, where
Chicago is, and that My argument was yes, because I
do think Bryce is on the path to proving to
be the guy. And what Chicago has done now under
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Ben Johnson and how those draft picks have been fulfilled.
I think they feel like they've won the trade as
as well. Now when you go back to that draft process,
I did make the like I was a stroud guy
going in because of because of the body, because of
and the last time we saw him on film, like
if what he was in that game against Georgia was
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soon he was going to be at the NFL level.
You draft that guy number one overall every time, you
don't think twice about it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But that's not who he was in college.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You saw that two three times where Bryce, I mean
Bryce was a dude in college, didn't win a Natty,
one of the rare Bama quarterbacks understatement to not do so,
but I mean was a was a certified baller. And
the league now protects guys at his that have his size.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And height limitations.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Sometimes those guys for the most part are protected, and
so you can you can win with him sure, Like
whenever it looks bad, it's not because he's five to ten.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, I'm not I'm not argue with you on bry
I'm what I'm saying is I think Bryce Bryce is
held to that standard, and somebody on the text line said, oh,
Xcel has never given grace for for how high he
was drafted. I I think, I think we we've given
Excel plenty of flack regardless, and and maybe maybe you
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feel like the flac that Xcel gets is maybe not
equivalent irrespective to Bryce, but at the same point in time,
the two are connected, and it does seem like a
mental thing when it comes to Excel, which is I
think a little bit of a different thing with with
with with Bryce, you can be angry that there are
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other things that need to happen correctly for him to
be there. He's never going to it you have. If
you've made up your mind that you don't like Bryce,
it's because you're uncomfortable with the fact that he's never
going to be somebody who overcomes bad stimulus or around him,
and that's just something you're going to have to reconcile
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or just be angry at the Panthers because he ain't
going anywhere like he has to have things just right.
That's an almost incontro uncomfortable fact right now. And if
that makes you mad as a Panther fan, that I
can't help you. I just can't. It does not change
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the fact that they are one went away from making
the playoffs, and a lot of that is due to
play that he has had this season. Of the most
important things that have happened for the Panthers this season,
his game winning drives are no lower than two. In
the way that you go about finding out how do
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you win this division? Like it took him executing big
drives down the stretch to get the Panthers in this position,
and I think, Deny, that is not fair to him,
and you're being incredibly disingenuous by doing so. Is he
a perfect quarterback? Absolutely not. Will he ever live up
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to one coma one? Probably not from a talent aspect,
from the way it's supposed to look for somebody who
was who was beholden to that number. This draft, honestly,
in twenty three, it reminds me a lot of the
ninety nine draft. There was a generational quarterback taken second
in that draft. There was Donovan McNabb. Do I think
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CJS Drivers is good at Donod McNabb now I own,
but think of the other quarterbacks taken in that draft,
Tim Couch, Achille Smith, Dante Culpepper, who's probably the second
best of them, and again second best is carrying a
lot of heavyweight.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
There good, not great.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Cad McNown, Sean King, brock Hewar, Joe Germain, Aaron Brooks,
Kevin Daft, you've never heard of him, Michael Bishop, Chris
Greeson of Northwest Missouri State, and Scott Covington. Those were
the drafted quarterbacks in nine ninety nine. So so pardon
me if I don't think that I missed out on
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the second coming when they took Bryce over CJ. Stroud
when CJ has been inconsistent himself. And I will also add,
as somebody pointed out on the text line, c J.
Stroud is a darn good defense around him and much
better personnel suited to his talent level. And I think
a better coach on his side of the football than
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than what the Panthers have.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, and I think that's That's one thing that I
try to point out is coaching matters in any at
any professional sport. This coaching matters the most in the
National Football League, it just does. Like like basketball, it
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helps to have a Greg Popovich, but it comes down
to who usually used, who has more talent.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's the biggest thing in the NBA is managing personalities.
Maybe you can drop a good out of bounds play.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
In baseball, the manager doesn't even have control over his
lineup anymore. The four eyed geeks in the front office do.
And I mean, and then I would I mean, I
don't know enough about hockey to speak on how much
of an influence a hockey coach has on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'd say more than the NBA, but not more than
the others.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But like, like coaching and scheme and all that stuff matters.
And he has been held back at different times by
Dave Canalis. There have been times that Dave Canalos has
put him in a position to succeed, but it hasn't
been consistently. And until until that happens, that's when you'll
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get the best evaluation of Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I've heard too many I've seen too many people overreact
to the passing yards number this week, like like like, oh,
the man only through for fifty four yards or fifty
six yards or whatever. It was, like, too many of
you are reacting to this one game and one moment.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Seattle is not dog do okay.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, you know Colin brought up yesterday, fourteen of the
sixteen games they have passed under two hundred yards, which
that number, Okay, that number is appalling. Yes, that number
does stand out when you look at the way that
the game is played. But we've also told you what
is the strength of this football team. This team when
they're playing at their best, when they're operating and the
way they want to play. They want to run the
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football and they want to limit possessions like you they
won't they how many six eight possession games has this
team played this year?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Quite a bit?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Now, some of those is because the defensive gives you know,
it's eleven the minute scoring drive up, a seven and
a half minute scoring drive up, and that's but also
times the Panthers just march down the field i e.
The Rams game, and they're just eating that clock up.
They're like they're like me at the going to crowd.
They're just eating and eating and eating, and they're shortening
the game.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That does play a rolling house. That's house stats. Look
at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Of something and something you brought up earlier. This team
does not play many shootouts. No, they don't play many
games that you know they want to get seventeen fourteen.
You're not You're not getting many forty and fifty point
combined games, which tend to usually bring you more gaudy numbers,
So so you're you're literally leaning on a little bit
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of a very stricter plate. I think that the game
that probably leaded itself the most to that the two
games really the Dallas game and the Atlanta game, Atlanta
on the road game, I should say those are the
two games that probably leaded itself most to those kind
of contests. And Young was one ninety nine in the
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Dallas game, four forty eight in the Atlanta game. I
also think too, Again, you know, while Atlanta is not great,
they also have a pretty good defense, and he carved
him up twice. So you know, the the issue with
people saying that, oh, the numbers don't look as good.
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I was one of those guys earlier in the season.
I eventually came to the point where it's like, you
know what, they're winning, and it's not despite him. I
think a lot of times there have been there have
been days they've won despite the offense.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
They've they've won despite the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I no, no one will sit here and tell you
more about how much the defense has confounded them than
I would. But I keep coming back to the fact
that I want to see him under a play call
that's not the head coach, because I think that could
do a world of good. I could be I could
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come back next year at this time and we sit
in the same position and sit here and say that
that that Bryce is not changed, is still the same,
And let's say, you know what, maybe the year that
is following the one that's next is his last year
as the quarterback. You owe him the ability to see
out the five years. I'm not committing to him long term.
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I'm committing to him for this upcoming season, and I'm
committing to him for his fifth year option, which is
going to be in a bargain comparative to whether you
have to franchise him or sign to a long term
deal up the next year if he balls out.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, because I feel like if they're in this same
position next year, even maybe if the division is still
on the line going to the final week of the
regular season, don't you feel like they might be inclined
to move on? Like I think if we're if we're
at this point again next year, then Dave Canals could
probably make the argument, Hey, it's it's him, not me,
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Like I've gotten this here without having the type of
quarterback play that that I want, that I need that my.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
System can produced because we saw what.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, the offense wasn't great the year he was
the coordinator in Tampa, but we we saw what it
what it what it could be with with with the
weapons that they have.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
The people keep coming back to me and say, how
many times does he throw for more than two hundred yards?
I'll tell you in the second half last year, these
were the throwing numbers. Two sixty three, two ninety eight one,
two nineteen one fifty eight, two oh three, two fifty one.
That's from the Kansas City game onward. That's also not
including a two twenty four game against Denver. The passing
yards thing you guys have to stop. Okay, quarterbacks can
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win a game throwing for only two hundred yards in
games that end seventeen fourteen, twenty seventeen, et cetera, and
so on.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Fitty basically gave you the math.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's very, very hard when you're only getting the ball
six times a game to throw for more than two
hundred three hundred yards, especially with how much they run
the football like it's it's not like this offense is
just this anemic tracked all the time. They're doing enough
to win football games, and that that's that's the most
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important thing. Are you winning, If you're if you're so concerned,
if we're so concerned with how we're winning, then by god,
I'm happy how far we've come. Because we used to
complain about not winning enough, and now we're complaining about.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
How it looks that.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That tells me we've come a long way. Fiddy, Yeah,
you're you're you're You're not wrong. I don't know how
many quarterbacks would thrive with the limited receivers that he's
had at his disposal this year, still getting very little separation.
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You know, how many offensive line combinations have they had
this year?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And and look, I mean like a lot of morbid
steps on his foot every you know, it feels like,
you know, once twice a gamey.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Quantum still can't pass block in year four.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Your your leading receiver is a is a wide receiver
that we all gripe the complaint about on draft night
them spending the draft pick on him. I just I
don't know how many. I don't know how many quarterbacks
would thrive. I don't know how many quarterbacks would Excel.
I think he is making the most of what he
has around him. M hmm, and quite simply, that's not enough.
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Like I don't know what we'll be doing come draft time.
I don't know someone goes. I'd rather half Max brosmer
get lost. But we could be talking about adding another
offensive player in the first round. Where this team needs
a pass rusher, this team needs a linebacker. But depending
on where they're picking in the draft, BPA could be
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an offensive player, another offensive lineman. Like they need to
add to the line. They need to get a pass
catching tight end. Sure, you need to get another You
need to get another wide receiver because Excel like that,
it's not working.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Excel is done.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
He's never going to be a difference maker at his
position in the National Football League and that can be
frustrating too, where they've tried to build around him and
they missed.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Conta says, how many excuses are you guys going to
make to justify the pick on the draft? Come on, guys,
that's ridiculous. I'm not justifying the pick. You can't change
the history, Pecante, you can't change it. What I'm trying
to tell you is the problems under Bryce, a lot
of them are, don't change. With Stroud. You get a
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guy who's three four five inches taller, still has receivers,
who can't separate, still has dudes in his face when
he throws, still has a play caller who's learning on
the job. All those things don't change. Is the record
appreciably better than it is now? I don't think so.
And if you think so, we'll never be proven right,
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either of one of us. But pardon me if if
I'm trying to say, hey, maybe it's more than the dude.
And I'll even tell you the dude's gotta play better,
no question about it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I gave you the three scenarios that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He had no protection, he had no separation or anybody
to throw to, and the opportunities when he had both
those things working in his favor, he did not make
the throw. So, yes, it is on him to be better.
No one's saying he, No one's saying otherwise. What we're
saying is there are contributing and mitigating factors to it.
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And part of that's on the head coach. Yep, that's
all I'm saying. I think we're all. I think we
all want the same thing. We all want them to win.
We all wanted to look nice and pretty. Here's the problem.
They people see what what Alan and Mahomes in his
heyday and all these other quarterbacks do, and they wonder,
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why can't our guy do that? And I'm here to
tell you it ain't gonna happen. And that might piss
you off, but guess what your one win away or
a Falcons went away from winning the division, and you
know what if you get in the tournament, see what
happens that makes you pretty darn happy. As somebody roots
with this team seven four five, seven zero nine six ten,
we will come back. We get to uh talk some
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hoops now. Next Fiddy Carolina opening ACC played it out
against Florida State, some other ACC odds and ends with
conference At the beginning of this week, sports Ready on
ninety seven WFNZ.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
From Doc on a Fandel touch line.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Will you're flat out dead wrong on coach, They've took
over a way worse situation here and in here two
as them finding her a playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But I know you hate everything Panthers. But you are wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
When did I I hate everything Panthers?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I hate everything Panthers. No, just a Jaron Vero that's
what you hate? Hey man. Yeah, those guys playing Yeah,
those guys playing Salt the other day. Yeah, they played
they played their tails.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That was that was That was incredible work. Scorton's going
to be a problem. Well that's the problem. See, this
is what this is why, this is why what happened
on Sunday ticked me off so much because you got
you got an incredible performance for that defense.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
It was wasted. That's the thing. They got me angry
about it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But we'll get it. We'll get into it a little
bit more. At nine o'clock. We will spin it forward.
We'll spin the tape forward and give you our look
at Tampa Part two. We're gonna talk to the beast
I heard also final hour of the program. But before
we do that, we'll talk some ACC hoops. Heels open
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up the ACC tonight off the best non conference start
since OL eight on nine National Championship year twelve and one.
The record they can go on to Florida State team.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That is. This is not Leonard Hamilton's bunch. Now this
is a.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
A rebuilding since they come in seven and six in
the non conference season. At the Dean Dome game, you
pour ten to win. I guess my first question to you.
From from a conference standpoint, it feels like it's Duke
of Carolina and then the and then the field. From
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a acc standpoint, I don't know if there's another team
that you can look at and say has a chance
to lay a claim. Maybe Louisville, but that would be
if Carolina and Duke beat each other up and then
the grunt and brunt of the season gets to them
with some of the road venues allowed to play in,
knowing you're gonna get everybody else's best shot.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, I think the bigger issue with Louisville is they're
they're a one trick like they they've they've they've they've
got one thing that they can do really, really well,
which is they can shoot it right, which works on
some Knights and doesn't work on this. We've seen them
have two bad shoot Knights. We've seen them get you know,
just pummeled inside, overwhelmed. But look, they've they've got maybe
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the best ex's and hose coach in the in the
league and Pat Kelce they're going to factor into this thing.
I think they're I think they're the three best teams.
I think it's I think Duke's the best. I think
Carolina second. Do you Louisville right there at third?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do you give Virginia any any any punchers chance because
Ryan Otoms got them playing well.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, because they can score with anybody. I mean, they've
already scored over eighty points or more. I think it's
like a total of fourteen games or it's it's some
ridiculous number that really puts into perspective the type of
offense that that program had played under Tony Bennett and
last year under Ron Sanchez. I think those are the
four best teams. I have State coming in in fifth,
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but the league's better.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You've got a you know, a number of teams in
the top fifty in the NET. You've got a number
of teams in the top seventy five in the NET.
So're we're gonna have more competitive games, more instabl a
tournament resume type of games in the league this year
than you had then you had a year ago. And
that's that's a good thing, obviously for my team. Because
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they can actually build a legitimate resume to be a
you know, a really high I seed. But it's just
really good for the league that they've been able to
respond after some down years.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Well, that's the thing that I think. And I talked
about this with Mike Jaminski. You'll hear from him in
just a moment, But one of the things I asked
him is, you know, it is the hype for the
league real now or does this almost kind of feel
like they've been given a little charity here based on
the way that they've been treated over the course the
last couple of years. And he basically said it was
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a little bit of both. And again, the the thing
that you have this year, you have some big non
conference wins that you can really hang your hat on.
It was a lot more even this year when you
think about the AECSC challenge. And also it comes down
to the fact that that this is a conference that
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had had to sustain the loss of some pretty big names,
you know, and I know that we're still pretty far
moved from from roy and.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Leaving.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
It's something where it's taken a little bit of time
for them to kind of replenish talent and now they
are starting to get those type of other World league talents. Again,
a lot of times it's just cyclical and sometimes you
just don't get the kind of players you normally would.
But you've got two guys leading Duke and Carolina right
now who are neck and neck. You know, I know
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Boozer is still the odds on favorite to win Player
of the Year nationally and most definitely in the conference.
But Caleb Wilson's right there in terms of the conference.
He's not getting the national love quite yet. Do you
think you can get to that level?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I think so, because now that the bye game season
is over for Carolina, the production where he's on pace
to average a double double as a freshman be the
highest average scoring freshman in program history. You don't do
that at UNC and then not getting noticed. And you know,
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I've been annoyed by the lack of attention he has received.
You know, a guy that robbed Astro, a guy that
I respect, the way that he covers the sport that
I love, basically saying that he's not that heffishing to
have a player because he misses dunks. It's been kind
of odd that he hasn't gotten the same amount of
fanfare that Boozer has gotten a duke, you know, CoA
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Pete Gott of Arizona, some other freshmen around the country.
I do think that's going to change as we get
here into league play and when and when, when the
when those two two teams tangle on Tobacco Road. I mean,
it's going to be throwback. It's going to be like
when Sheldon Williams and and Sean May were going at
each other. That's how good these two guys are. And
it's going to be really fun to watch them. And
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you know, he's been everything and more that he was
supposed to be as a top ten recruit, and it's
it's been really fun to watch his game blossom.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I had a great conversation with Mike Jaminski, of course,
of c w Fame, longtime ACC basketball commentator. UH has
a great basketball classic going on over the course of
this week at Marve Rich High School in Waxaw. He
had to say about Caleb Wilson and his All Conference
chances this year.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Taleb Wilson, He's a special player and it's a it's
amazing to see the maturity level in his game. And
I think that's the thing that strikes me about a
lot of the freshmen around the country is they don't
play like freshmen and their game is so well rounded.
You know, if he's got one deficiency, maybe it's his
(40:27):
lack of three point range, but that'll come and I
you know, he's he's going to have a strong, strong year.
He's going to be you know, obviously right there for
Freshman of the Year, but also player of the Year
in the conference.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
If there's a differentiating factor between Duke and Carolina, is
it just simply that Boozer's better and as he goes,
they go, or is there something else you point out
to say that that could be something that makes you
feel like they can't overcome that.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I think the differential factor would be coaching. I think
you would just have to say that John Shires a
better head coach than Hubert Davis.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
How hard is that? How hard is that for you? Man? Hey?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Look, look, I know I'm dressed in head to toe
and Carolina blue. But I can't be objective when when
I want to be when I need to be, because
what because I think Carolina's deeper. I think Carolina has
the second scoring option behind Cavil Wilson.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The Duke does not have night In Night Out. They
definitely do feel deeper. I mean, think about that game
that Duke just lost. I mean, depth was a significant
issue for them. And you know, one of the things
I talk with Tebow all the time is that he's
lamenting the fact that they really can't go beyond six
or seven.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I mean, and look, most people don't want to go
buy six to seven anymore. I mean, I think it's
better to go eight to nine. Carolina was sept tremble
Back can and so I think that would be it
because Duke doesn't have their Henry Vasar Carolina does. You
got two guys averaging north of sixteen points per game,
two guys averaging north of nine rebounds per game while
(42:00):
both shooting over fifty five percent from the field, Vasar
shooting over sixty percent from the field, fifty percent from three.
You get Seth tremble Back. So now you've got three
guys that you know, night In Night Out are probably
going to score and score a lot. This gives twenty
eleven twenty twelve vibes with Barnes, John Henson, Tyler Zeller
(42:21):
looks a little bit different, But those two that trio
carried Carolina to an ACC championship, carried them all the
way to an Elite eight.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Is this core poison that we'll find out?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So, but that would be like if if Duke emerges
as the team, I think you would just have to
tip your cap that John Shier hands down as a
better coach than Hubert.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Mentioned by the text line the Michigan State game probably
a big reason why Wilson isn't getting much of the hype.
So on the text line seven or four numbers saying
that they eventually essentially got beat up in that game,
And that's something that's a pretty pression point there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I mean, I guess it was a two point game
with under eight time out on the second half, and
in Michigan State went on a run. Also, that team
can win the Big Ten, can get to a Final four,
to win a national championship. Like, that's not a bad
loss by any means. You know, I'm not sitting here
saying I want to lose. But it wasn't like they
lost a team that they.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Should have lost to.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
If again we're calling it a quality loss, it's a
quality loss.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And it was the first time the freshmen played on
you know, away from home in a big time environment
against a school like Michigan State. He's responded well here
recently what he did against Kentucky Georgetown in some other.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Games Carolina Florida State Tonight Florida State seven wins coming
against Quad four opponents, So it should be one for
Carolina to get themselves off to a good start again.
Tomorrow it's a State and Wake Duke plays Georgia Tech tomorrow.
All those games happening tomorrow in the afternoon before the
big college football playoff game and also before the ball
(43:53):
drops as well. It is the back and Bone Show
sports right and I just have an WFNZ will come
back final hour the program kicks off. We will now
be a little bit more optimistics and get to the
point where we're getting into Tampa on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And also is it a point in
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Time where we're happy to be here or we all
rather to be disappointed if it doesn't work out on
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