December 26, 2025 • 47 mins
Hour 3 of the show starts with Fitty, Flounder and Shroppy revisiting the Bryce Young and Chicago trade. Is there a clear winner of the trade so far? There is also a heated Drake Maye vs Bryce argument before we get to know our enemy for the week in the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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That's all. So I seized going to break, then flound.
I wanted to revisit the Bryce Young trade, you know,
because the Bears are in the playoffs. They've got there.
The second seed right now could still be the number
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one seed depending on how this thing does shake out.
And look, Caleb Williams does deserve a lot of credit
for getting Chicago in that position, although you know, Ben
Johnson's on a masterful job as the head coach. They've
got one of the best run games in the National
Football League. You don't get to eleven and four without
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having steady quarterback play, and that's what Kayler Williams has
been this year. He's been steady. Bagel Guy immediately writes
in on the Fangel text line, we love Bryce, but
it's impossible to think that both teams won the trade
until Bryce proves that he's at least a top twelve
quarterback at least and I know on the surface in
Chicago got Dj Moore, Darnel Wright, Tyreek Stevenson, Caleb Williams,
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Tory Taylor, Luther Burton, the third. That's what all came
out of the trade between the Panthers and the Bears,
but with the Panthers on the doorstep of a division title,
on a doorstep of a playoff berth, which has forced
us to have the conversation about investing in Bryce Young
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in the long term. Do you agree that it's fair
to say that both teams won the trade and should
be satisfied with what's happened post that trade, with how
everything has transpired.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't know if you can say that they've won
the trade both sides, but I do think that it
is much closer than he used to be where we
thought for the longest time, especially you go back to
we if we had this conversation after week two of
last year, I mean, my goodness, this would be so
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heavily in favor of Chicago. And the fact that you've
come this far since that point to make this an
actual question of whether or not both teams did win,
I think it is saying a lot. I think Bryce
has definitely turned a corner. I think he is proving
he is definitely proving here recently that he is worth
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being a franchise quarterback. I think the thing is is that, yeah,
in order to get to a spot where they both win,
you need probably a deep playoff run from Bryce Young
to say that they won as well. I think that
it is possible to have happens this year. I think
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it's more than possible in the future that it happens.
So I don't know if I would say at this
point I look at it as both teams have won,
But I do think that Carolina has definitely narrowed the
gap and they are closing in on having been a
team that won the trade as well, or at least
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didn't lose the trade the way that many people felt
like for such a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So since Bryce Young got benched, he has totally and
eight yards, forty two touchdowns, fifteen interceptions, and he has
set the Panther single game passing gyuard record, of course
with that performance against Atlanta and in a handful of
game winning drives. Because the Panthers seemingly all they win
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are are one possession games, I think the best way
to answer that question is with another question. If you're
a Carolina Panther fan, would you rather have Bryce Stung
as your quarterback or Kayleb Williams, because I think the
answer is still Bryce. And as long as you think
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the answer is Bryce, then I think the Panthers won
the trade because now everything is justified. Like when when
Bryce got binched, it wasn't clear cut that Caleb Williams
was gonna be on the track that he appears to
be on now, which is kind of where Bryce s
Young is. Is above average quarterback, top you know, fifteen
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ish level quarterback play like he's eleven and four. He isn't.
He's not an elite quarterback. He's not a top twelve
quarterback like Bagel Guy was suggesting that's what Bryce Young
has to be. I don't. I don't think so either.
For him to feel like the Panthers won the trade,
I can look at what Kleb Williams has done in
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Chicago and I can appreciate it. And look the plays
he made to bring the Bears back against the Pack
last week phenomenal. You know, the touchdown pacit d J.
Moore is a play they worked on all week. He
executes it. I still think I'd rather have Bryce Young
as my quarterback, which is why I'm comfortable saying I
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think Chicago was satisfied with how the deal worked out
for them, and I'm satisfied with how it worked out
for us because I I'm of the opinion that Bryce
is gonna do enough over the final two weeks here
in the regular season. I think they're gonna make their
way into the playoffs, and I think he's gonna play
at such a level that is going to have us
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talking a lot in the off season January February going
into March when we get to free agency that the
Panther should go ahead and extend their former number one
overall pick. Yeah, I think you're gonna have to have
that conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I think that certainly is going to be on the
table if they make the playoffs. If they don't make
the playoffs, then I wonder how big of a conversation
that actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Where if they just.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Say, you know what, we're gonna hold on more to
see what happens next year and ultimately determined from there
whether or not we feel like we have a guy
that we're willing to pay that much money to. I
think if he makes the playoffs, you have to at
least begin the conversations because the earlier that you pay him,
the better off you are going to be long term
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in terms of the money that you're gonna have. Because
I said this when we were talking last week on
Wes and Walker when it was just me and Walk,
and I said, if you wait, you're gonna end up
having to pay this guy a pretty significant amount of money.
I don't see him trending backwards next year. So if
he only continues the upper trend, well, then you're starting
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to get into that top twelve, top ten quarterback range.
And then you want to pay a guy like he's
a top ten quarterback. I think you'd rather go ahead
this offseason if you truly believe that he's the guy.
And we look, we can think anything that we want.
It matters what the people in that building thin. If
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they believe that he is the guy, then let's go
ahead and pay him now and be able to save
a little bit of money, because I mean what, he's
got some leverage, which with the way he's been playing,
he doesn't have all of the leverage where if you
wait till next year and let's say he goes nuts
throws for you know, forty five hundred yards and thirty
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eight touchdowns or something crazy like that. Well, then you
have absolutely no leverage on your side, and you've got
to give him fifty five sixty million dollars a year,
where this year you might be able to get him
for forty forty five million dollars somewhere in that range,
which helps you in the long term.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Seven o four five seven ninety sixteen. You want to
hear from you guys on the fan dual text line,
East Bay Magazine writes, and we lost you trade for
the number one pick, and you didn't get the best
quarterback we should have taken CJ.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Stroud. I I think the gap how much better is CJ.
Stroud right now than Bryce?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, I think he's he's obviously more accomplished because
he's made the playoffs and won some playoff games, But
I think, like right now, their level of play is
is very similar. Like, yes, the Texans, you know, won
three straight games this year with Davis Mills as their quarterback.
And I don't want to take away from Davis Mills
and his fantastic neck, but I was interesting, you know,
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it was a compliment. I think that does kind of
take away from how much of an impact CJ. Stroud
is having, you know, on on winning Panther bo right
sind duh, it's Bryce scared me for a second and
yo run the Rocks said, I don't care anything about
Bryce his stats. All that matters is wins, and the
team is average based on their record, and therefore he
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is average. And then grootch so so is See this
is the thing that there error. What you gotta remember,
he's eight and six as a starter because he did
miss the game Andy Dalton, you know gets the one
the one loss, right, so he's a little bit better
than just basically a five hundred, five hundred quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, the argument dare though against Caleb Williams is Caleb
Williams is eleven at four. Yeah, their numbers are very
very similar, I think, so I and look, you know, hypotheticals,
it's it's hard for some people to to wrap their
brain around when you try to have that that type
of discussion.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you put Bryce in Chicago and you put Caleb
Williams in Carolina, which is more likely Chicago being closer
to eleven and four with Bryce Young or Caleb Williams
and the Panthers being eight and seven, I think it's
Bryce in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'll see I I think I think it's basically or
do you think it's a push.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think it's a push.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I really do think these two guys are pretty even
right now, and I think that's okay. I I think
it's okay to say, hey, we probably got the same
level of quarterback with the number one overall pick now
what people would in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Because I think Ben Johnson's a better play caller. Well, yeah,
that's that's certainly. That certainly matters as well.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And I think that's the reason why that team is
eleven and four is because of their head coach, who
is a tremendous play caller. I also believe that their
weapons group is a lot better or not a lot better,
but definitely better than what Bryce has. So yeah, that's
that's one thing that you count again that you could
count in Bryce's favor, where if he went to Chicago,
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then he's playing with you know, a running back who
I think is just tremendous. I think is one of
the most underrated running backs in the league. And DeAndre Swift.
I love them, and I think some of the other
guys that they've got when they're healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They've had some issues with health, but when they're healthy,
I think it's just barely a little stronger than some
of the receivers that Bryce has throw to, mainly because
XL just has done nothing like that. You're playing a
guy that really doesn't do anything for you on game
days a significant amount of snaps. So I think that's
probably why i'd give him the advantage there. That's why
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to me, it's it's so close, Like if you're ranking
these quarterbacks, I would probably have Caleb over Bryce just
because he's won more this year. And the other thing
is is if you can this is what's so weird.
You could say, well, look at all the game winning
drives for Bryce Young, look at all the comeback wins
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for Caleb Williams. He's got six this year where he's
come from behind and won the game. So both guys
are incredibly clutch. Both guys are, you know, playing much
better than they played a year ago. And then if
you look at their overall stats and their overall winning percentage,
you would probably look at them and say, these guys
are pretty average quarterbacks. But we've seen both of them
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and in our Eyes. I mean, from what I've seen,
I can only speak for myself. I guess I think
both guys are playing above average football and that's the
reason why their teams are where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I know, I definitely do agree with that. I
wanted to address a two texts. We got one from
a Goots Grundleman neither they should have waited and traded
up for Drake May the following year, and then Buck
Eye Dave wrote in I would want Drake May over
both of them, can I tell you? And look, I
know that that's an easy answer to say that now
because Drake May is going to be in the conversation.
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He's going to be you know, he might win the MVP,
he might not. If not, he's going to finish second
or third in the MP in the MVP voting. He's
not doing that here unless unless Josh McDaniels is his
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Like, you can't take credit away from him. I mean,
come on, dude, this we're gonna be have debates about
him being a top five quarterback in the league going
into next year.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Depending on how long Josh McDaniels is his coordinator. So
you think he's nothing without Josh McDaniels. I think he's
I think Josh McDaniels might be the greatest. But you
can't coordinator of all time that just flopped as a
head coach. But you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You can't take the what he's done away from him
and say that he doesn't deserve any credit for this.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
This is all Josh McDaniel. I don't think Drake May
is doing what he's doing in New England with Dave Canalis.
I don't. I don't know. I think I don't know.
Is is maybe in Chicago because of Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He's a step ahead of where Bryce is, Yes, but
he's also being coached and developed by you could argue,
from an offensive coordinator perspective, a top three offensive coordinator
the league's ever seen. I mean, if he was with
Ben Johnson, he'd be doing the same exact stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, I was trying. I was trying to get there. Like,
if you put him in Chicago, I think he's putting
up probably similar numbers. I don't know if he has
the amount of come from behind wins that Caleb Williams
has produced. Doesn't need him maybe because they're his team's
leading in game they're not playing from behind. But I
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you know, as someone that loves Drake and was a
big fan of hisn in college, I do think that he,
as much as any other quarterback in the NFL that
had a subpar rookie season, benefited from the coaching change
that he got having Josh McDaniels become his play caller,
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and that guy, that guy deserves a lot more credit
than he gets for what he did with Brady becoming
the best quarterback of all time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean, he deserves credit, but I mean I'm not
taking anything away from Drake may. I mean what he's
done this season with a group of weapons that is
not good. I mean who is the out of these
guys that he has. I mean, where would you rank
his running backs? Are any of them top fifteen in
the league?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Even close? I think as a combination they all stop.
That's not that's not I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I love Traveon Henderson, but that's still a team that
I think is probably in the twenties when it comes
to the running backs and then their wide receiving corps.
I mean, who's his best wide receiver? You got Stefan
Diggs again, but look at what side of that who
do you have Look at what Brady did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Nobody's look at what Look at what Brady did the
back half of his career with no name wide receivers,
and he's the greatest quarterback of all time, which is
But but again, what does that? We don't take away.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
From Brady because he was coordinated by Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He points back to the system just as much as
it does the player.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So we're taking away credit from Tom Brady from winning
super bowls because he was in Josh McDaniel's system. You
don't think if he goes anywhere else he would have
succeeded without Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He's the greatest quarterback that's ever existed. He is, but
a lot of it. Every quarterback is a system based quarterback.
It's just it just depends on what the system looks
like and how much control that that that you have.
Brady and McDaniels cultivated a system that just evolved as
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the players around them evolved. And look, I know he
went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. Look at
the weapons that he had. That's why he went to Tampa.
I don't think if he went to Oakland, does Brady
have the second. I find it hard to doubt him
that he had in Tampa Bay. I don't know. That's
what you know. That's what made Manning so great was
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he took his system somewhere else, Yes, had great weapons
in Denver, was able to succeed at a high rate.
So Drake is going to be there because geez, he's gifted.
I do think he benefits just as much from the
coaching as some of these other quarterbacks that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But it's simply if Bryce was there, that team would
not be as good as they are.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I still think they'd be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Maybe I don't maybe, but I don't think they would
be anywhere near as good.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But on the right side, I don't think if you
put Drake here, I don't think Drake's a playoff quarterback here.
With what he's done in New England. I don't think
the Panms are winning this division with Drake May this
year because he doesn't have the coaching around him that
he has in New England.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So basically he's got no talent. He's he's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I know that's your guy.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And you're gonna sniff his jock, But look at the
coat you're just kissing Bryce's ass. Look at the coaching
that he has.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Mike Rabel, better coach, Josh McDaniel's better, more play caller
than Izack coordinator?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Bad do you think of of an offensive coordinators day?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If Day's Canalis, I think he's a terrible play call
I have argued all year long that whenever the offense
looks bad, he's the bigger culprit than Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, if Drake May was quarterbacking this team, they would
have already won this division.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But you can't prove that.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay, but you can't prove that if they were you,
you said they wouldn't even be in the playoffs. They
wouldn't even be in the playoff discussion with Drake Man.
But I'm making a compelling argument as to why I
think that because of the coaching around him. Okay, I'm
making the argument that he's more talented than Bryce Young,
and it's frankly not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, but talent at this level doesn't equal wins as
much as coaching does.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I guess, I guess that doesn't really make sense.
Coaching makes more sense in the college ranks for accounting
for wins than at the NFL level. These guys are professionals,
so talent means a ton when you get to this point.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I wonder what would look like if they were both
playing on neutral fields. Drake would win by twenty or more.
Only way we'd find out is when the if they
meet in the Super Bowl. Hopefully doesn't go like he
did back in Super Bowl thirty eight. Sports Radio ninety
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number one See the Pants will play this year. You'll
listen to Sports Radio ninety two to seven wfn Z. Well,
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that segment got the fan dual text line popping seven
oh four five, seven oh ninety six ten Run the
Rock told, Uh, I want Shroppy to cut my mic.
Apparently I came to work drunk today. Nope, that's only
on Wednesdays. Uh, Panthers, PSL sucker A series of dumb
takes in that segment. Your JV colors were showing there badly.
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I think that's a I think that's a stray at
Flounder cannot confirm or deny who that was going after
my little brother is uh, little Fiddy has woken up. Fiddy,
You're digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole. I
just had stop and admit you're wrong on this one.
You don't call me that. Get get to pack and
you've got to You've got a lake trip to get
ready for.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh jeez, how about that fun? And then by the way,
Panther PSL. Sucker was agreeing with me because he listed
off all of the weapons that you that Brady had
during that time period. I mean, you had Gronk, Randy Moss,
Julian Edelman, all of which could be Hall of Famers. Yeah,
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but Julian Edelman because of the postseason, could be a
Hall of Famer. I don't think he should be, but
he could be a Hall of Famer. And then Wes Welker,
who I don't did his.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Career just not last long enough? Like what happened? Why
people forget that he was in Miami before he got
to New England and then he guess what, he got
into that system and become a Hall of Fame wide receiver. Look,
there's no doubt the system matters.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
But at the same time, you can't take away credit
from guys that were in that system and say that
they're not good, that it's all the system and it
has nothing to do with the players that are and
their talent level.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Can I just butt in here and say that I
think both things can be true. I think it's fair
to argue that the coaching in New England's been better
than here this year. And I think it's also fair
to admit that, as of right now, Drake May is
a better quarterback than Bryce Young and I never and
I never denied that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, you're saying that he wouldn't make the playoffs here,
so you're saying that he is on the same level
as Bryce or that he's worse than Bryce.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that is kind of what you're saying. Like, I
don't understand how that marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You don't think that Dave can Alice would be able
to work some magic with Drake May, I think get
them in the same position or better.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think the same inconsistencies in Bryce's play would show
up in Drake's play, oh see, and maybe to a
certain extent. And I don't know, I don't know, does
Drake May lead the conference behind wins that Bryce Young
has engineered.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He wouldn't have because he'd be winning games. But you
cannot prove that. You can't prove that he can't win
from coming from behind. But that doesn't make any sense.
All of this is hypothetical. How does any of it?
How can you prove any of it? They don't play
on those teams.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'm just saying that because that's like all of Bryce
Young's wins, outside of the win against Atlanta where they
won thirty to nothing, have quite literally been come from
behind wins, game winning drives that were engineered by Bryce.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But guess what, Drake don't have to come back because
that dude's leading in every game that he plays in
because he's better than Bryce Young. So your argument makes
no sense. You're talking in circles around nothing, like I
don't know. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, now I know how I felt at seven twenty,
this Panther team under Bryce Young's in his two years
under Dave Canalis. Yes, I'm saying that all of their
wins have looked a certain way, and.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You think that Drake may would have to be the
exact same way.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, I don't believe that. I think that it would
look the same because of the lack of talent that's
been on this roster, the lack of depth that's been
on this roster. And I don't think Carolina's coaching staff
as much as I right, because New England is such
a deep team and has all these great players, They're
coaching is better. Okay, so their coaching is slight. How
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much better is it? It can't be by that much.
This Panther team is going to make the playoffs. Oh,
I think I think Mike Vrabel I say they're coaching
is about three or four games better than what the
Panthers are. I but Mike Rabel was fired in Tennessee. Okay.
He also took the Titans into an AFC title game
with Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Okay, so isn't it wouldn't you credit his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So it's like like like the guy, the guy can
coach a little bit. And if you go back, if
you go back to when the Panthers high Dave Canalis
quite literally the day of that Dave Canalis got hired.
Guess who was getting interviewed for the job. Mike Rabel.
It was Mike Rabel. Now it was a very quick interview.
But I'm gonna pull the tape where I literally said
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that if Dave Temper wants to build a serious organization,
you hire that guy now. But what, here's the thing,
Because he's proving he's a proven winner, he's a proven winner,
but he's also a guy that focuses on the defensive
side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I don't think that Drake made like to me, you're
making the argument that Drake May is only a product
of his coaching.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You cannot take away credit from a dude that is
doing the things that Drake May is doing.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This we legitimately have to talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Is he in one of the top tiers in the
NFL is I wouldn't have him tier one, but would
I have him possibly tier two in the league?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, maybe he's that close. Maybe I say, you move
on to Seattle. I don't want to hit this dump
button again. Well, not talking Victor Cruz.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Or six two. We were destined. It was just a
matter of one who was gonna get us there. So
come on, I think what both and I I just
don't think you're not open to me criticizing a guy
that you're a bigger fan of for a quarterless, not
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even quarterback on your own team. I think Drake May
is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He's just throwing shots because he lost the argument.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
First off, I did not lose you. I did not
lose the argument on But I just I think as
much as Drake May has has grown and thrived, Bryce
would be just as good.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know, I don't, I do, I do not I do.
What's I don't understand the point? The point doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You are the most impossible person because.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Your your argument doesn't make any sense. Can anybody on
the text line tell me what his argument is? Nobody
at home knows what the argument is.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're the most impossible person I've quite literally ever met.
I mean, Stroup, do you understand what the argument is? Uh? Yeah,
I mean I do.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think he's saying that the coaching has elevated Drake
May and that he doesn't think well, honestly, I've been
worrying about the dump button more than anything in this
entire argument. So it seems like you kind of are
both arguing kind of similar points. I think you both
agree that the coaching is better in New England, which
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is helping Drake May, and also that Drake May might
just be a bit better of a quarterback. At this point,
it feels like you guys are arguing the same things.
I don't know why this has been a thirty minute conversation,
because you can't we this wile when we disagree.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
This is what we do whenever him and I disagree,
we just argue in circles and people. But people find
it interesting apparently, So.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Let's let's talk about Let's talk about Seattle here though,
because we got to figure out some things about it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
That's really been elevated by great coaching. By the way,
because Sam Darnold isn't as good as as the numbers
would suggest. They engineer the second highest scoring offense in
the National Football League, They've got the second best scoring
defense in the National Football League. They're coming off come
from behind win against the Rams that now has them
with the inside track to win the NFC West, be
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the number one seed in the in the playoffs. Coming
up here in a in a in a few weeks.
Jackson Smith and Jigba Leez the NFL and receiving guards
with over sixteen hundred yards. He has been absolutely sensational,
but I still look at this game and look, Carolina's
not beat up as they were in the LA game.
You know, Trayvon Mehra isn't suspended like he was in
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the LA where we gave the Panthers no chance. I
get Seattle's coming off a short week. They've kind of
got the back to back games for Carolina pons that
had like to buy like a mini bye week going
into their next game. I still think one Carolina can
play with these guys. I expect Carolina will compete with them,
and I think there's a way that Carolina could could
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win this game. Despite how good Seattle has been. Behind
Mike McDonald, who has done as quality of coaching job
as we've seen in the National Football.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
League this year, I mean, yeah, he's a guy that
should be up there for Coach of the Year. I
don't think a lot of people really have talked about
him most of the way. I think we've seen a
lot of people that have looked at teams that have
just gone from downright awful to being in the playoffs
for being good in the case of you know, Ben
Johnson in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But this dude should be talked about.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, what he has done with Sam Donald because
it's not It wasn't an easy Oh just bring Sam
Donald in off a career year in Minnesota. Look, he
was coming off of his best year of his career.
But remember what it looked like at the end with Minnesota.
He faded down the stretch of last year. So you
had to restore that confidence yet again in him. And
(30:13):
now you look at that team and yeah, I mean,
you're you're talking about one of the most explosive receivers
in all of the sport. Nobody in the preseason, if
you told them, hey, Hick, who's going to be the
leading receiver in the league, nobody picks Jackson, Jackson Smith
and Jigba.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Not that he's not a good.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Player, but in that offense, even at Sam Darnold's height,
you did not think that it was going to be
like this. So the Panthers man named it's gonna be
up to these corners that have allowed some yards this
year to be able to take them away.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, you look at Mike Jackson, He's been playing
much better recently. This needs to be one of his
good games again.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And you need j C.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Horn to continue to be strong, which he's been for
the most part. You know, outside of the matchups with
New Orleans, he's been in pretty good shape.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now the defense.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Thing that's interesting about their defense is they are really
really good. But remember Philip Rivers was able to have
some success on them, So there is a path to success.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
There is a way to move the football on them.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You just it's up to this offensive line to be
able to protect against what is a good edge rusher group.
And you know, it's about Bryce being the same guy
that we've seen here for the last four or five weeks,
where he's been pretty consistent and has looked the part.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now you need that to show up in this game
against Seattle at home. They keep talking about playing championship football,
playoff football. Guess what those games come down to. This
is a line of scrimmage game. Can can Derek Brown,
Nick Gordon and those guys, Can they get to Sam Darnold,
Can they get him rattled? Can they get that clock
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ticking in his head, get that clock speeding up in
his head? Because that's what he's prone to make. The
mistakes i e. The four, the four turnover game against
the Rams in the first matchup, and look before the
comeback last week they were down sixteen y three. I
think it was two interceptions in that game. So like
in two of the bigger games this year where they've
gone one and one, he has been very turnover prone
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in those games. And on the on the on the
offensive side, you know, Carolina, I think they've they I
don't know if they can win this game running for
fifty four yards with their running backs. Probably not. You've
got to get Chico back where it was earlier in
the year. I don't I don't know if Rico isn't healthy.
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I don't know if he's just been hindered by the
rotation at at running back. I think Chewba Hubbard right
now is in a position where I'd probably give him
the ball more often than not. But those two guys
have got to help us establish a rhythm in the
running game, because a lot of their rushing yards last
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week came on Bryce Young scrambles and Bryce Young just
extending plays, which I think needs to be a part
of the offense. I think I'd like to see two
to three design runs for Bryce, a couple of r
a couple of RPOs, just some straight raid options because
I think he makes the right decisions. But you know
this is this is this is a kiss game. Keep
it uh, what's short and simple? Or keep it simple stupid?
(33:28):
There you go, there it is. Yet you've got to
be the more physical team upfront on both sides of
the ball, and if they are, I expect this to
be a game in the fourth quarter. And if it's
a game in the fourth quarter, we're going to be
just as confident as they are because we know our
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guy makes plays. So I think it's going to be
a fascinating matchup.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, the good news is also when you look at it,
in case people missed it earlier in the show, Icky
full Prey as Robert Hunt limited.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So Hunt's getting there. Ikey should be in the lineup.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But if you could get Hunt back out there along
with Ikey, you should be able to run the football
a lot better than you have here recently. And so
I think that if you can, even if you can
get to one hundred yards, that makes such a big
difference in this game. So I think they've got a
good chance to win it down in the trenches. But
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you know, it's gonna be really about health for this
group and who exactly they have.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, if you if you can't get Hunt back, you know,
the the run game looks and feels different. I think
you're a little bit more athletic, you can do some
stuff pulling wise, I think he's a really good you know,
he's really good in that scenario. I think he does
a really good job, you know, when they're trying to
get some of those wide pitch zones, getting out there,
just getting out to the boundary and getting blocked. So
(34:56):
if he comes back, I think you feel a lot
more confident about the Panthers not only making the playoffs,
but really making a run once they were maybe to
get themselves into the playoff. Feel when we come back.
I had written down Christmas leftovers. Don't know if we're
going to necessarily tackle that. We might keep the Panther
talk talk going. We might argue more Drake may Bryce Young.
(35:16):
Some guy says, that's the worst topic we've ever had
on a show. We should move on from that. No,
I've that was a relevant topic. We were talking about
the Panthers. My man, Well, it wasn't even a topic.
It was a text message that led to an argument.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, I mean, but as someone that monitors the topics
on the station from six eight to six p I've
heard worse. I'm not gonna name names, but whenever we
come back, we'll keep the talk going right here on
Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ. It's the final
(35:56):
segment of the eight o'clock hour Sports Radio ninety two
to seven w uf n Z, the young Guns filling
in for Mac and Bone. But it feels a lot
like Mac and Bone because the two main hosts are
sitting here arguing and complaining. I'm out a text message.
Although you know, usually when Max's doing it, like most
of the time, he's just being that guy. It's very rare.
(36:18):
It's like a legitimate, authentic argument. See we're authentic. That was,
you know, was a legit argument. And we've had We've
had two of them. I think I won both of them.
But you know, that's that's it's not a competition. It's
not it's not a competition. Oh we got another stray
at LaMelo here, by the way, those are those are
(36:40):
the best strays I had wrote on the document Christmas Leftovers.
So if there was anything from Christmas that we didn't
get to, we want to put them back in the
oven and just kind of bring them up. We didn't
really touch on some of the stuff from NBA on
Christmas Day trappy during the breaksaw that yokich Uh just
went stupid.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Last night he had like, what was it, fifty six
sixteen and fifteen or something like that.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, just I mean a triple double, triple double
if if you ever had one the stuff he's doing
this year. Like, I know what SGA, you know, because
I do as much as I crap on the NBA,
do keep up with it. I know what SGA is
doing is sensational. Man, you know, Anthony Edwards is you know,
(37:25):
is a man possessed for the timber Wolves. How does
Jokic not get the MVP. It looks one of the
most efficient seasons we've ever seen in the history of
the NBA. He's a monster, dude. It was one point
this year he was shooting over seventy percent. It's crazy
from inside the three point line. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I mean, he he is such a unique player that
I just like, I don't know, people do not make
an appointment television to watch him.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But at the same time, he is such a unicorn
the way that he plays.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I mean, we're all focused on Wemby and everything like that,
and and rightfully so, Wemby's a hell of a player,
But this dude, I mean, the numbers that he puts up,
and the thing to me that I think is crazy
is that he don't care. Man, He's just there playing
basketball because he's good at basketball.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That's all. That's that's all he's there for.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We've seen that in the off seasons when he gets
disappointed that he's his team's making a deep run because
he wants to be.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
At home with his what is it horses that he has, Yeah,
which and which is why I do think there's a
lack of appointment television watching for him because he has
this nonchalant attitude about playing. Why should you invest your
time in watching him play? But he is he is sensational.
The way he controls the game with his passing at
(38:47):
his height and his weight is quite literally unlike anything
we've we've ever seen. And then the thunder. I mean,
just two weeks ago we were talking about them being
on pace to threaten the all time wins record and
then here comes Wemby in the Spurs. They've beaten them
now three times of you know, five of their losses
(39:07):
or three of their other losses have come to one team,
and so it does appear that they have They do
appear to have their kryptonite. And the Knicks with the
dramatic come from behind win at the Garden, which is
what they do on Christmas. They get down big and
then they they come back. Some of the shot making
from like Tyler Kohlick in that game Tyler colick is
(39:29):
was sensational and then like when Bronson hit the three
to put them up one twenty one, one nineteen, the
Garden was as loud as I've heard it for a
regular season game in my lifetime as a Nick fan.
Is he the most like un.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
What I don't know the direction that I was going
to go with underappreciated player, not even underappreciated, Like it's
it's one of the bigger upsets because when he was
in Dallas he was good.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He was a six man guy. I wasn't this good.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I mean this, This dude can literally hit any shot
that he needs to in clutch moments, he is He
might be the most clutch player in the NBA right now.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It's crazy, dude, because of what Jokic is doing, what
SGA is doing at the foul line, like he's not
gonna get the MVP recognition he deserves now. Because if
you take Jalen Brunston off the Knicks, they might be
a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
People have said that they're not. They're not a top
two team in the Eastern Conference type of team. People
have said they should trade him for Jannis. I think
you're crazy. I think you're absolutely nuts. I think I
don't know, I hear that. I think with his availability,
Jalen Brunson might be the better player of the two
because Jannis is just so often injured now. But yeah,
(40:47):
there's no way, dude. I just some of the shots
he was making yesterday were crazy. Jordan Clarkson played really
well in the game as well, but Mitchell Robinson that
was the guy that changed that whole game, just the
way he was rebounding. I mean that completely changed everything
in that game for them. So yeah, the Knicks, I mean,
the Knicks look good. I think you might have the
(41:08):
two finalists at the end of the year come from
the two games that were played yesterday, the Knicks and
then either the Spurs or the Thunder Because I think
some people may say, man, it's only it's only the
regular season, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
When the Thunder need to turn it on, they're going
to turn it on.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I mean, I think yesterday's show, the Thunder were at
full strength and they still got beat.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think that could be, I mean, an unbelievable playoff series.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Like I'm not one that usually locks into the NBA playoffs,
but that would be a series that I'd be locked
into where the Knicks don't play trouppy.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
You said you were more dialed in on the NBA
action yesterday as opposed to the NFL. What's it out
to you from your your sports viewing on the holiday?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it was really I mean
I caught the second half of the Knicks game, really
enjoyed seeing that comeback.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Just love, you know, seeing Madison Square Garden just being loud.
I love that business. The best environment in professional sports,
it is. It is games at the Garden. You can
out top of it.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah. Well, and it's a shame that the that the
sorry ass Rangers have to play there because they're they're
just terrible.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How many times did we beat your team in the postseason?
That's all right?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Just hey, you guys make the playoffs last year, Oh
no you didn't, okay, but you know, just uh well
this year either, no you will not, but no, uh yeah,
seeing seeing the Garden jumping for that was impressive. And
then you know, really watching the Spurs just get to
that fifteen point lead and just kind of just maintain
it throughout the entire game, was waiting for the Thunder
(42:46):
to kind of make their push and make it a
close game, and it never quite happened. So yeah, I
think it's really really interesting to see Wimby and and
that Spurs team with you know, dearon Fox and all that.
I think, if they're able to stay healthy, that's gonna
be a really fun team to watch the entire year.
I think that's what we all kind of guessed. And
then obviously what a what a Christmas gift to see
(43:07):
Lebron lose. I mean, that's that's always something that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Bright because he didn't want to play, so yeah, well
maybe I said, maybe it's sciatica was acting up and
he didn't really feel like he could, you know, be
out there, But either way, I really feel like I
don't really feel like it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
And then obviously jokicchen the performance that he had the
first ever fifty five he ended up with fifty six,
but first ever fifty five fifteen fifteen game in NBA history.
And it goes to the Joker, who just continues to
be the most consistent player in the NBA over the
past five seasons. Yeah, uh, he's he's he is an
(43:43):
alien and it's it's wild because his lack of athleticism
really and everything, it's not held back just because his
his basketball, like you, and his incredible shot making is
something you know, it's going to keep people tuned into
to him for a long time.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's just really wild. Amazing, man, Maybe sad's even the
right way to describe it. Like NBA on Christmas Day
was appointment television watching. Like once I got into sports,
once I became a Knick fan, and the Knicks always
played usually at noon, it was I want to rush
through my gifts because I want to watch the NBA.
(44:23):
And now it's just it's just there, and like next
year is gonna be even worse because next year Christmas
Eve is on a Thursday, Christmas Day is on a Friday.
You're gonna have four or five NFL games between those
two days. They always played Saturday this time of the year,
like it's just now like it's just completely been taken
(44:45):
over by the by the NFL.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Oh, dude, it's gonna be crazy. I mean, that's gonna
be a crazy stretch of NFL games. Now, hopefully they're
better than or yesterday. But you're talking about you're gonna
have Thursday night and be there'll be a Thursday five days,
so you'll that you'll have two probably on Friday, then
you'll have the one on Saturday, and then yeah, the
(45:08):
one on Sunday, and you talked about five straight Monday night.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I mean, I'm gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hopefully hopefully, you know, we don't have the matchups that
we had this time around, and there's third stringers in there.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Hopefully they're played on home fields on a neutral sites. Ah,
I would love to see him on neutral sites. I
just I think the only way the NBA could even
get this day back is if they ever altered the schedule.
And this is when the league began, and even at
this point it's probably it's probably too far gone. It's
enough because the like how I mean, I know Shrumpy
(45:42):
said he did it, but how many people that chose
to seek out sports watching yesterday, unless you're just an
NBA die hard actively chose to watch the NBA over
those three NFL.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Games, Probably not many. I mean I have access to Netflix.
You were locked in on the NFL games, And by
locked in that could mean that it was literally on
in the background and that was the only thing that
you were watching. But more than likely people, especially if
you're at some if you're you know, at someone's house
something like that, you're gonna have maybe one screen go,
(46:14):
They're ain't goam. Not many people are gonna have multi
screens going because you're hanging out with family.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
So what are you gonna put on?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I will just throw the NFL games on, you know,
we'll keep an eye on them, but ultimately it's nothing
important where next year.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I mean, you never know what those matchups could mean.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They could be ones that are deciding divisions, and then
I mean people are definitely locking in on that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Over the NBA. Yeah, the Bagel guy with a great
text here. Don't be surprised if the NFL leaves open
the ability to flex next year to avoid this. I
think that would be a smart decision because yeah, when
we get these games and what may is when we
get the schedule, all those games are very appealing. Cowboys
Commander's division rival, the Commander's coming off of an appearance
(46:58):
in the ncay for the division. You know, you had
Lions Vikings. You thought that was going to be maybe
deciding the NFC nord YEP and then Broncos Chiefs. She
would have thought maybe was going to be a decisive
game in the AFC West and the game, you know,
the the Lions had something to play for and the
Broncos did, and then those are the only two teams
(47:18):
that were really playing for anything meaningful yesterday. So it's
just it kind of makes you wonder what took the
NFL so long to take over Christmas, because once they said,
the heck with that, we're going to start putting games
on these days. But there's no way now I'll see
the NBA getting traction back that they used to have
because it used to be the NBA's Holiday Sports Radio
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(47:41):
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That's all. So I seized going to break, then flound.
I wanted to revisit the Bryce Young trade, you know,
because the Bears are in the playoffs. They've got there.
The second seed right now could still be the number
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one seed depending on how this thing does shake out.
And look, Caleb Williams does deserve a lot of credit
for getting Chicago in that position, although you know, Ben
Johnson's on a masterful job as the head coach. They've
got one of the best run games in the National
Football League. You don't get to eleven and four without
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having steady quarterback play, and that's what Kayler Williams has
been this year. He's been steady. Bagel Guy immediately writes
in on the Fangel text line, we love Bryce, but
it's impossible to think that both teams won the trade
until Bryce proves that he's at least a top twelve
quarterback at least and I know on the surface in
Chicago got Dj Moore, Darnel Wright, Tyreek Stevenson, Caleb Williams,
(02:24):
Tory Taylor, Luther Burton, the third. That's what all came
out of the trade between the Panthers and the Bears,
but with the Panthers on the doorstep of a division title,
on a doorstep of a playoff berth, which has forced
us to have the conversation about investing in Bryce Young
(02:45):
in the long term. Do you agree that it's fair
to say that both teams won the trade and should
be satisfied with what's happened post that trade, with how
everything has transpired.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't know if you can say that they've won
the trade both sides, but I do think that it
is much closer than he used to be where we
thought for the longest time, especially you go back to
we if we had this conversation after week two of
last year, I mean, my goodness, this would be so
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heavily in favor of Chicago. And the fact that you've
come this far since that point to make this an
actual question of whether or not both teams did win,
I think it is saying a lot. I think Bryce
has definitely turned a corner. I think he is proving
he is definitely proving here recently that he is worth
(03:41):
being a franchise quarterback. I think the thing is is that, yeah,
in order to get to a spot where they both win,
you need probably a deep playoff run from Bryce Young
to say that they won as well. I think that
it is possible to have happens this year. I think
(04:01):
it's more than possible in the future that it happens.
So I don't know if I would say at this
point I look at it as both teams have won,
But I do think that Carolina has definitely narrowed the
gap and they are closing in on having been a
team that won the trade as well, or at least
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didn't lose the trade the way that many people felt
like for such a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So since Bryce Young got benched, he has totally and
eight yards, forty two touchdowns, fifteen interceptions, and he has
set the Panther single game passing gyuard record, of course
with that performance against Atlanta and in a handful of
game winning drives. Because the Panthers seemingly all they win
(04:47):
are are one possession games, I think the best way
to answer that question is with another question. If you're
a Carolina Panther fan, would you rather have Bryce Stung
as your quarterback or Kayleb Williams, because I think the
answer is still Bryce. And as long as you think
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the answer is Bryce, then I think the Panthers won
the trade because now everything is justified. Like when when
Bryce got binched, it wasn't clear cut that Caleb Williams
was gonna be on the track that he appears to
be on now, which is kind of where Bryce s
Young is. Is above average quarterback, top you know, fifteen
(05:33):
ish level quarterback play like he's eleven and four. He isn't.
He's not an elite quarterback. He's not a top twelve
quarterback like Bagel Guy was suggesting that's what Bryce Young
has to be. I don't. I don't think so either.
For him to feel like the Panthers won the trade,
I can look at what Kleb Williams has done in
(05:54):
Chicago and I can appreciate it. And look the plays
he made to bring the Bears back against the Pack
last week phenomenal. You know, the touchdown pacit d J.
Moore is a play they worked on all week. He
executes it. I still think I'd rather have Bryce Young
as my quarterback, which is why I'm comfortable saying I
(06:14):
think Chicago was satisfied with how the deal worked out
for them, and I'm satisfied with how it worked out
for us because I I'm of the opinion that Bryce
is gonna do enough over the final two weeks here
in the regular season. I think they're gonna make their
way into the playoffs, and I think he's gonna play
at such a level that is going to have us
(06:35):
talking a lot in the off season January February going
into March when we get to free agency that the
Panther should go ahead and extend their former number one
overall pick. Yeah, I think you're gonna have to have
that conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I think that certainly is going to be on the
table if they make the playoffs. If they don't make
the playoffs, then I wonder how big of a conversation
that actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Where if they just.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Say, you know what, we're gonna hold on more to
see what happens next year and ultimately determined from there
whether or not we feel like we have a guy
that we're willing to pay that much money to. I
think if he makes the playoffs, you have to at
least begin the conversations because the earlier that you pay him,
the better off you are going to be long term
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in terms of the money that you're gonna have. Because
I said this when we were talking last week on
Wes and Walker when it was just me and Walk,
and I said, if you wait, you're gonna end up
having to pay this guy a pretty significant amount of money.
I don't see him trending backwards next year. So if
he only continues the upper trend, well, then you're starting
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to get into that top twelve, top ten quarterback range.
And then you want to pay a guy like he's
a top ten quarterback. I think you'd rather go ahead
this offseason if you truly believe that he's the guy.
And we look, we can think anything that we want.
It matters what the people in that building thin. If
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they believe that he is the guy, then let's go
ahead and pay him now and be able to save
a little bit of money, because I mean what, he's
got some leverage, which with the way he's been playing,
he doesn't have all of the leverage where if you
wait till next year and let's say he goes nuts
throws for you know, forty five hundred yards and thirty
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eight touchdowns or something crazy like that. Well, then you
have absolutely no leverage on your side, and you've got
to give him fifty five sixty million dollars a year,
where this year you might be able to get him
for forty forty five million dollars somewhere in that range,
which helps you in the long term.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Seven o four five seven ninety sixteen. You want to
hear from you guys on the fan dual text line,
East Bay Magazine writes, and we lost you trade for
the number one pick, and you didn't get the best
quarterback we should have taken CJ.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Stroud. I I think the gap how much better is CJ.
Stroud right now than Bryce?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, I think he's he's obviously more accomplished because
he's made the playoffs and won some playoff games, But
I think, like right now, their level of play is
is very similar. Like, yes, the Texans, you know, won
three straight games this year with Davis Mills as their quarterback.
And I don't want to take away from Davis Mills
and his fantastic neck, but I was interesting, you know,
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it was a compliment. I think that does kind of
take away from how much of an impact CJ. Stroud
is having, you know, on on winning Panther bo right
sind duh, it's Bryce scared me for a second and
yo run the Rocks said, I don't care anything about
Bryce his stats. All that matters is wins, and the
team is average based on their record, and therefore he
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is average. And then grootch so so is See this
is the thing that there error. What you gotta remember,
he's eight and six as a starter because he did
miss the game Andy Dalton, you know gets the one
the one loss, right, so he's a little bit better
than just basically a five hundred, five hundred quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, the argument dare though against Caleb Williams is Caleb
Williams is eleven at four. Yeah, their numbers are very
very similar, I think, so I and look, you know, hypotheticals,
it's it's hard for some people to to wrap their
brain around when you try to have that that type
of discussion.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you put Bryce in Chicago and you put Caleb
Williams in Carolina, which is more likely Chicago being closer
to eleven and four with Bryce Young or Caleb Williams
and the Panthers being eight and seven, I think it's
Bryce in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'll see I I think I think it's basically or
do you think it's a push.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think it's a push.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I really do think these two guys are pretty even
right now, and I think that's okay. I I think
it's okay to say, hey, we probably got the same
level of quarterback with the number one overall pick now
what people would in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Because I think Ben Johnson's a better play caller. Well, yeah,
that's that's certainly. That certainly matters as well.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And I think that's the reason why that team is
eleven and four is because of their head coach, who
is a tremendous play caller. I also believe that their
weapons group is a lot better or not a lot better,
but definitely better than what Bryce has. So yeah, that's
that's one thing that you count again that you could
count in Bryce's favor, where if he went to Chicago,
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then he's playing with you know, a running back who
I think is just tremendous. I think is one of
the most underrated running backs in the league. And DeAndre Swift.
I love them, and I think some of the other
guys that they've got when they're healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They've had some issues with health, but when they're healthy,
I think it's just barely a little stronger than some
of the receivers that Bryce has throw to, mainly because
XL just has done nothing like that. You're playing a
guy that really doesn't do anything for you on game
days a significant amount of snaps. So I think that's
probably why i'd give him the advantage there. That's why
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to me, it's it's so close, Like if you're ranking
these quarterbacks, I would probably have Caleb over Bryce just
because he's won more this year. And the other thing
is is if you can this is what's so weird.
You could say, well, look at all the game winning
drives for Bryce Young, look at all the comeback wins
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for Caleb Williams. He's got six this year where he's
come from behind and won the game. So both guys
are incredibly clutch. Both guys are, you know, playing much
better than they played a year ago. And then if
you look at their overall stats and their overall winning percentage,
you would probably look at them and say, these guys
are pretty average quarterbacks. But we've seen both of them
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and in our Eyes. I mean, from what I've seen,
I can only speak for myself. I guess I think
both guys are playing above average football and that's the
reason why their teams are where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I know, I definitely do agree with that. I
wanted to address a two texts. We got one from
a Goots Grundleman neither they should have waited and traded
up for Drake May the following year, and then Buck
Eye Dave wrote in I would want Drake May over
both of them, can I tell you? And look, I
know that that's an easy answer to say that now
because Drake May is going to be in the conversation.
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He's going to be you know, he might win the MVP,
he might not. If not, he's going to finish second
or third in the MP in the MVP voting. He's
not doing that here unless unless Josh McDaniels is his
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Like, you can't take credit away from him. I mean,
come on, dude, this we're gonna be have debates about
him being a top five quarterback in the league going
into next year.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Depending on how long Josh McDaniels is his coordinator. So
you think he's nothing without Josh McDaniels. I think he's
I think Josh McDaniels might be the greatest. But you
can't coordinator of all time that just flopped as a
head coach. But you can't.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You can't take the what he's done away from him
and say that he doesn't deserve any credit for this.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
This is all Josh McDaniel. I don't think Drake May
is doing what he's doing in New England with Dave Canalis.
I don't. I don't know. I think I don't know.
Is is maybe in Chicago because of Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
He's a step ahead of where Bryce is, Yes, but
he's also being coached and developed by you could argue,
from an offensive coordinator perspective, a top three offensive coordinator
the league's ever seen. I mean, if he was with
Ben Johnson, he'd be doing the same exact stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, I was trying. I was trying to get there. Like,
if you put him in Chicago, I think he's putting
up probably similar numbers. I don't know if he has
the amount of come from behind wins that Caleb Williams
has produced. Doesn't need him maybe because they're his team's
leading in game they're not playing from behind. But I
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you know, as someone that loves Drake and was a
big fan of hisn in college, I do think that he,
as much as any other quarterback in the NFL that
had a subpar rookie season, benefited from the coaching change
that he got having Josh McDaniels become his play caller,
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and that guy, that guy deserves a lot more credit
than he gets for what he did with Brady becoming
the best quarterback of all time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean, he deserves credit, but I mean I'm not
taking anything away from Drake may. I mean what he's
done this season with a group of weapons that is
not good. I mean who is the out of these
guys that he has. I mean, where would you rank
his running backs? Are any of them top fifteen in
the league?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Even close? I think as a combination they all stop.
That's not that's not I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I love Traveon Henderson, but that's still a team that
I think is probably in the twenties when it comes
to the running backs and then their wide receiving corps.
I mean, who's his best wide receiver? You got Stefan
Diggs again, but look at what side of that who
do you have Look at what Brady did.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Nobody's look at what Look at what Brady did the
back half of his career with no name wide receivers,
and he's the greatest quarterback of all time, which is
But but again, what does that? We don't take away.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
From Brady because he was coordinated by Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He points back to the system just as much as
it does the player.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So we're taking away credit from Tom Brady from winning
super bowls because he was in Josh McDaniel's system. You
don't think if he goes anywhere else he would have
succeeded without Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He's the greatest quarterback that's ever existed. He is, but
a lot of it. Every quarterback is a system based quarterback.
It's just it just depends on what the system looks
like and how much control that that that you have.
Brady and McDaniels cultivated a system that just evolved as
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the players around them evolved. And look, I know he
went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. Look at
the weapons that he had. That's why he went to Tampa.
I don't think if he went to Oakland, does Brady
have the second. I find it hard to doubt him
that he had in Tampa Bay. I don't know. That's
what you know. That's what made Manning so great was
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he took his system somewhere else, Yes, had great weapons
in Denver, was able to succeed at a high rate.
So Drake is going to be there because geez, he's gifted.
I do think he benefits just as much from the
coaching as some of these other quarterbacks that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But it's simply if Bryce was there, that team would
not be as good as they are.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I still think they'd be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Maybe I don't maybe, but I don't think they would
be anywhere near as good.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But on the right side, I don't think if you
put Drake here, I don't think Drake's a playoff quarterback here.
With what he's done in New England. I don't think
the Panms are winning this division with Drake May this
year because he doesn't have the coaching around him that
he has in New England.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So basically he's got no talent. He's he's just a guy.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I know that's your guy.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And you're gonna sniff his jock, But look at the
coat you're just kissing Bryce's ass. Look at the coaching
that he has.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Mike Rabel, better coach, Josh McDaniel's better, more play caller
than Izack coordinator?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Bad do you think of of an offensive coordinators day?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If Day's Canalis, I think he's a terrible play call
I have argued all year long that whenever the offense
looks bad, he's the bigger culprit than Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, if Drake May was quarterbacking this team, they would
have already won this division.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But you can't prove that.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay, but you can't prove that if they were you,
you said they wouldn't even be in the playoffs. They
wouldn't even be in the playoff discussion with Drake Man.
But I'm making a compelling argument as to why I
think that because of the coaching around him. Okay, I'm
making the argument that he's more talented than Bryce Young,
and it's frankly not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, but talent at this level doesn't equal wins as
much as coaching does.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I guess, I guess that doesn't really make sense.
Coaching makes more sense in the college ranks for accounting
for wins than at the NFL level. These guys are professionals,
so talent means a ton when you get to this point.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I wonder what would look like if they were both
playing on neutral fields. Drake would win by twenty or more.
Only way we'd find out is when the if they
meet in the Super Bowl. Hopefully doesn't go like he
did back in Super Bowl thirty eight. Sports Radio ninety
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number one See the Pants will play this year. You'll
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that segment got the fan dual text line popping seven
oh four five, seven oh ninety six ten Run the
Rock told, Uh, I want Shroppy to cut my mic.
Apparently I came to work drunk today. Nope, that's only
on Wednesdays. Uh, Panthers, PSL sucker A series of dumb
takes in that segment. Your JV colors were showing there badly.
(20:40):
I think that's a I think that's a stray at
Flounder cannot confirm or deny who that was going after
my little brother is uh, little Fiddy has woken up. Fiddy,
You're digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole. I
just had stop and admit you're wrong on this one.
You don't call me that. Get get to pack and
you've got to You've got a lake trip to get
ready for.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh jeez, how about that fun? And then by the way,
Panther PSL. Sucker was agreeing with me because he listed
off all of the weapons that you that Brady had
during that time period. I mean, you had Gronk, Randy Moss,
Julian Edelman, all of which could be Hall of Famers. Yeah,
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but Julian Edelman because of the postseason, could be a
Hall of Famer. I don't think he should be, but
he could be a Hall of Famer. And then Wes Welker,
who I don't did his.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Career just not last long enough? Like what happened? Why
people forget that he was in Miami before he got
to New England and then he guess what, he got
into that system and become a Hall of Fame wide receiver. Look,
there's no doubt the system matters.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
But at the same time, you can't take away credit
from guys that were in that system and say that
they're not good, that it's all the system and it
has nothing to do with the players that are and
their talent level.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Can I just butt in here and say that I
think both things can be true. I think it's fair
to argue that the coaching in New England's been better
than here this year. And I think it's also fair
to admit that, as of right now, Drake May is
a better quarterback than Bryce Young and I never and
I never denied that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, you're saying that he wouldn't make the playoffs here,
so you're saying that he is on the same level
as Bryce or that he's worse than Bryce.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that is kind of what you're saying. Like, I
don't understand how that marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You don't think that Dave can Alice would be able
to work some magic with Drake May, I think get
them in the same position or better.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think the same inconsistencies in Bryce's play would show
up in Drake's play, oh see, and maybe to a
certain extent. And I don't know, I don't know, does
Drake May lead the conference behind wins that Bryce Young
has engineered.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He wouldn't have because he'd be winning games. But you
cannot prove that. You can't prove that he can't win
from coming from behind. But that doesn't make any sense.
All of this is hypothetical. How does any of it?
How can you prove any of it? They don't play
on those teams.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I'm just saying that because that's like all of Bryce
Young's wins, outside of the win against Atlanta where they
won thirty to nothing, have quite literally been come from
behind wins, game winning drives that were engineered by Bryce.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But guess what, Drake don't have to come back because
that dude's leading in every game that he plays in
because he's better than Bryce Young. So your argument makes
no sense. You're talking in circles around nothing, like I
don't know. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, now I know how I felt at seven twenty,
this Panther team under Bryce Young's in his two years
under Dave Canalis. Yes, I'm saying that all of their
wins have looked a certain way, and.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You think that Drake may would have to be the
exact same way.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, I don't believe that. I think that it would
look the same because of the lack of talent that's
been on this roster, the lack of depth that's been
on this roster. And I don't think Carolina's coaching staff
as much as I right, because New England is such
a deep team and has all these great players, They're
coaching is better. Okay, so their coaching is slight. How
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much better is it? It can't be by that much.
This Panther team is going to make the playoffs. Oh,
I think I think Mike Vrabel I say they're coaching
is about three or four games better than what the
Panthers are. I but Mike Rabel was fired in Tennessee. Okay.
He also took the Titans into an AFC title game
with Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Okay, so isn't it wouldn't you credit his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So it's like like like the guy, the guy can
coach a little bit. And if you go back, if
you go back to when the Panthers high Dave Canalis
quite literally the day of that Dave Canalis got hired.
Guess who was getting interviewed for the job. Mike Rabel.
It was Mike Rabel. Now it was a very quick interview.
But I'm gonna pull the tape where I literally said
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that if Dave Temper wants to build a serious organization,
you hire that guy now. But what, here's the thing,
Because he's proving he's a proven winner, he's a proven winner,
but he's also a guy that focuses on the defensive
side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I don't think that Drake made like to me, you're
making the argument that Drake May is only a product
of his coaching.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You cannot take away credit from a dude that is
doing the things that Drake May is doing.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This we legitimately have to talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Is he in one of the top tiers in the
NFL is I wouldn't have him tier one, but would
I have him possibly tier two in the league?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, maybe he's that close. Maybe I say, you move
on to Seattle. I don't want to hit this dump
button again. Well, not talking Victor Cruz.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Or six two. We were destined. It was just a
matter of one who was gonna get us there. So
come on, I think what both and I I just
don't think you're not open to me criticizing a guy
that you're a bigger fan of for a quarterless, not
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even quarterback on your own team. I think Drake May
is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He's just throwing shots because he lost the argument.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
First off, I did not lose you. I did not
lose the argument on But I just I think as
much as Drake May has has grown and thrived, Bryce
would be just as good.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know, I don't, I do, I do not I do.
What's I don't understand the point? The point doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You are the most impossible person because.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Your your argument doesn't make any sense. Can anybody on
the text line tell me what his argument is? Nobody
at home knows what the argument is.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're the most impossible person I've quite literally ever met.
I mean, Stroup, do you understand what the argument is? Uh? Yeah,
I mean I do.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think he's saying that the coaching has elevated Drake
May and that he doesn't think well, honestly, I've been
worrying about the dump button more than anything in this
entire argument. So it seems like you kind of are
both arguing kind of similar points. I think you both
agree that the coaching is better in New England, which
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is helping Drake May, and also that Drake May might
just be a bit better of a quarterback. At this point,
it feels like you guys are arguing the same things.
I don't know why this has been a thirty minute conversation,
because you can't we this wile when we disagree.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
This is what we do whenever him and I disagree,
we just argue in circles and people. But people find
it interesting apparently, So.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Let's let's talk about Let's talk about Seattle here though,
because we got to figure out some things about it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
That's really been elevated by great coaching. By the way,
because Sam Darnold isn't as good as as the numbers
would suggest. They engineer the second highest scoring offense in
the National Football League, They've got the second best scoring
defense in the National Football League. They're coming off come
from behind win against the Rams that now has them
with the inside track to win the NFC West, be
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the number one seed in the in the playoffs. Coming
up here in a in a in a few weeks.
Jackson Smith and Jigba Leez the NFL and receiving guards
with over sixteen hundred yards. He has been absolutely sensational,
but I still look at this game and look, Carolina's
not beat up as they were in the LA game.
You know, Trayvon Mehra isn't suspended like he was in
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the LA where we gave the Panthers no chance. I
get Seattle's coming off a short week. They've kind of
got the back to back games for Carolina pons that
had like to buy like a mini bye week going
into their next game. I still think one Carolina can
play with these guys. I expect Carolina will compete with them,
and I think there's a way that Carolina could could
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win this game. Despite how good Seattle has been. Behind
Mike McDonald, who has done as quality of coaching job
as we've seen in the National Football.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
League this year, I mean, yeah, he's a guy that
should be up there for Coach of the Year. I
don't think a lot of people really have talked about
him most of the way. I think we've seen a
lot of people that have looked at teams that have
just gone from downright awful to being in the playoffs
for being good in the case of you know, Ben
Johnson in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But this dude should be talked about.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, what he has done with Sam Donald because
it's not It wasn't an easy Oh just bring Sam
Donald in off a career year in Minnesota. Look, he
was coming off of his best year of his career.
But remember what it looked like at the end with Minnesota.
He faded down the stretch of last year. So you
had to restore that confidence yet again in him. And
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now you look at that team and yeah, I mean,
you're you're talking about one of the most explosive receivers
in all of the sport. Nobody in the preseason, if
you told them, hey, Hick, who's going to be the
leading receiver in the league, nobody picks Jackson, Jackson Smith
and Jigba.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Not that he's not a good.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Player, but in that offense, even at Sam Darnold's height,
you did not think that it was going to be
like this. So the Panthers man named it's gonna be
up to these corners that have allowed some yards this
year to be able to take them away.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, you look at Mike Jackson, He's been playing
much better recently. This needs to be one of his
good games again.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And you need j C.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Horn to continue to be strong, which he's been for
the most part. You know, outside of the matchups with
New Orleans, he's been in pretty good shape.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now the defense.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Thing that's interesting about their defense is they are really
really good. But remember Philip Rivers was able to have
some success on them, So there is a path to success.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
There is a way to move the football on them.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You just it's up to this offensive line to be
able to protect against what is a good edge rusher group.
And you know, it's about Bryce being the same guy
that we've seen here for the last four or five weeks,
where he's been pretty consistent and has looked the part.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now you need that to show up in this game
against Seattle at home. They keep talking about playing championship football,
playoff football. Guess what those games come down to. This
is a line of scrimmage game. Can can Derek Brown,
Nick Gordon and those guys, Can they get to Sam Darnold,
Can they get him rattled? Can they get that clock
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ticking in his head, get that clock speeding up in
his head? Because that's what he's prone to make. The
mistakes i e. The four, the four turnover game against
the Rams in the first matchup, and look before the
comeback last week they were down sixteen y three. I
think it was two interceptions in that game. So like
in two of the bigger games this year where they've
gone one and one, he has been very turnover prone
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in those games. And on the on the on the
offensive side, you know, Carolina, I think they've they I
don't know if they can win this game running for
fifty four yards with their running backs. Probably not. You've
got to get Chico back where it was earlier in
the year. I don't I don't know if Rico isn't healthy.
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I don't know if he's just been hindered by the
rotation at at running back. I think Chewba Hubbard right
now is in a position where I'd probably give him
the ball more often than not. But those two guys
have got to help us establish a rhythm in the
running game, because a lot of their rushing yards last
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week came on Bryce Young scrambles and Bryce Young just
extending plays, which I think needs to be a part
of the offense. I think I'd like to see two
to three design runs for Bryce, a couple of r
a couple of RPOs, just some straight raid options because
I think he makes the right decisions. But you know
this is this is this is a kiss game. Keep
it uh, what's short and simple? Or keep it simple stupid?
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There you go, there it is. Yet you've got to
be the more physical team upfront on both sides of
the ball, and if they are, I expect this to
be a game in the fourth quarter. And if it's
a game in the fourth quarter, we're going to be
just as confident as they are because we know our
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guy makes plays. So I think it's going to be
a fascinating matchup.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, the good news is also when you look at it,
in case people missed it earlier in the show, Icky
full Prey as Robert Hunt limited.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So Hunt's getting there. Ikey should be in the lineup.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But if you could get Hunt back out there along
with Ikey, you should be able to run the football
a lot better than you have here recently. And so
I think that if you can, even if you can
get to one hundred yards, that makes such a big
difference in this game. So I think they've got a
good chance to win it down in the trenches. But
(34:30):
you know, it's gonna be really about health for this
group and who exactly they have.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, if you if you can't get Hunt back, you know,
the the run game looks and feels different. I think
you're a little bit more athletic, you can do some
stuff pulling wise, I think he's a really good you know,
he's really good in that scenario. I think he does
a really good job, you know, when they're trying to
get some of those wide pitch zones, getting out there,
just getting out to the boundary and getting blocked. So
(34:56):
if he comes back, I think you feel a lot
more confident about the Panthers not only making the playoffs,
but really making a run once they were maybe to
get themselves into the playoff. Feel when we come back.
I had written down Christmas leftovers. Don't know if we're
going to necessarily tackle that. We might keep the Panther
talk talk going. We might argue more Drake may Bryce Young.
(35:16):
Some guy says, that's the worst topic we've ever had
on a show. We should move on from that. No,
I've that was a relevant topic. We were talking about
the Panthers. My man, Well, it wasn't even a topic.
It was a text message that led to an argument.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, I mean, but as someone that monitors the topics
on the station from six eight to six p I've
heard worse. I'm not gonna name names, but whenever we
come back, we'll keep the talk going right here on
Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ. It's the final
(35:56):
segment of the eight o'clock hour Sports Radio ninety two
to seven w uf n Z, the young Guns filling
in for Mac and Bone. But it feels a lot
like Mac and Bone because the two main hosts are
sitting here arguing and complaining. I'm out a text message.
Although you know, usually when Max's doing it, like most
of the time, he's just being that guy. It's very rare.
(36:18):
It's like a legitimate, authentic argument. See we're authentic. That was,
you know, was a legit argument. And we've had We've
had two of them. I think I won both of them.
But you know, that's that's it's not a competition. It's
not it's not a competition. Oh we got another stray
at LaMelo here, by the way, those are those are
(36:40):
the best strays I had wrote on the document Christmas Leftovers.
So if there was anything from Christmas that we didn't
get to, we want to put them back in the
oven and just kind of bring them up. We didn't
really touch on some of the stuff from NBA on
Christmas Day trappy during the breaksaw that yokich Uh just
went stupid.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Last night he had like, what was it, fifty six
sixteen and fifteen or something like that.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, just I mean a triple double, triple double
if if you ever had one the stuff he's doing
this year. Like, I know what SGA, you know, because
I do as much as I crap on the NBA,
do keep up with it. I know what SGA is
doing is sensational. Man, you know, Anthony Edwards is you know,
(37:25):
is a man possessed for the timber Wolves. How does
Jokic not get the MVP. It looks one of the
most efficient seasons we've ever seen in the history of
the NBA. He's a monster, dude. It was one point
this year he was shooting over seventy percent. It's crazy
from inside the three point line. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I mean, he he is such a unique player that
I just like, I don't know, people do not make
an appointment television to watch him.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But at the same time, he is such a unicorn
the way that he plays.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I mean, we're all focused on Wemby and everything like that,
and and rightfully so, Wemby's a hell of a player,
But this dude, I mean, the numbers that he puts up,
and the thing to me that I think is crazy
is that he don't care. Man, He's just there playing
basketball because he's good at basketball.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That's all. That's that's all he's there for.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We've seen that in the off seasons when he gets
disappointed that he's his team's making a deep run because
he wants to be.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
At home with his what is it horses that he has, Yeah,
which and which is why I do think there's a
lack of appointment television watching for him because he has
this nonchalant attitude about playing. Why should you invest your
time in watching him play? But he is he is sensational.
The way he controls the game with his passing at
(38:47):
his height and his weight is quite literally unlike anything
we've we've ever seen. And then the thunder. I mean,
just two weeks ago we were talking about them being
on pace to threaten the all time wins record and
then here comes Wemby in the Spurs. They've beaten them
now three times of you know, five of their losses
(39:07):
or three of their other losses have come to one team,
and so it does appear that they have They do
appear to have their kryptonite. And the Knicks with the
dramatic come from behind win at the Garden, which is
what they do on Christmas. They get down big and
then they they come back. Some of the shot making
from like Tyler Kohlick in that game Tyler colick is
(39:29):
was sensational and then like when Bronson hit the three
to put them up one twenty one, one nineteen, the
Garden was as loud as I've heard it for a
regular season game in my lifetime as a Nick fan.
Is he the most like un.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
What I don't know the direction that I was going
to go with underappreciated player, not even underappreciated, Like it's
it's one of the bigger upsets because when he was
in Dallas he was good.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He was a six man guy. I wasn't this good.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I mean this, This dude can literally hit any shot
that he needs to in clutch moments, he is He
might be the most clutch player in the NBA right now.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It's crazy, dude, because of what Jokic is doing, what
SGA is doing at the foul line, like he's not
gonna get the MVP recognition he deserves now. Because if
you take Jalen Brunston off the Knicks, they might be
a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
People have said that they're not. They're not a top
two team in the Eastern Conference type of team. People
have said they should trade him for Jannis. I think
you're crazy. I think you're absolutely nuts. I think I
don't know, I hear that. I think with his availability,
Jalen Brunson might be the better player of the two
because Jannis is just so often injured now. But yeah,
(40:47):
there's no way, dude. I just some of the shots
he was making yesterday were crazy. Jordan Clarkson played really
well in the game as well, but Mitchell Robinson that
was the guy that changed that whole game, just the
way he was rebounding. I mean that completely changed everything
in that game for them. So yeah, the Knicks, I mean,
the Knicks look good. I think you might have the
(41:08):
two finalists at the end of the year come from
the two games that were played yesterday, the Knicks and
then either the Spurs or the Thunder Because I think
some people may say, man, it's only it's only the
regular season, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
When the Thunder need to turn it on, they're going
to turn it on.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I mean, I think yesterday's show, the Thunder were at
full strength and they still got beat.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think that could be, I mean, an unbelievable playoff series.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Like I'm not one that usually locks into the NBA playoffs,
but that would be a series that I'd be locked
into where the Knicks don't play trouppy.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
You said you were more dialed in on the NBA
action yesterday as opposed to the NFL. What's it out
to you from your your sports viewing on the holiday?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it was really I mean
I caught the second half of the Knicks game, really
enjoyed seeing that comeback.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Just love, you know, seeing Madison Square Garden just being loud.
I love that business. The best environment in professional sports,
it is. It is games at the Garden. You can
out top of it.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah. Well, and it's a shame that the that the
sorry ass Rangers have to play there because they're they're
just terrible.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
How many times did we beat your team in the postseason?
That's all right?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Just hey, you guys make the playoffs last year, Oh
no you didn't, okay, but you know, just uh well
this year either, no you will not, but no, uh yeah,
seeing seeing the Garden jumping for that was impressive. And
then you know, really watching the Spurs just get to
that fifteen point lead and just kind of just maintain
it throughout the entire game, was waiting for the Thunder
(42:46):
to kind of make their push and make it a
close game, and it never quite happened. So yeah, I
think it's really really interesting to see Wimby and and
that Spurs team with you know, dearon Fox and all that.
I think, if they're able to stay healthy, that's gonna
be a really fun team to watch the entire year.
I think that's what we all kind of guessed. And
then obviously what a what a Christmas gift to see
(43:07):
Lebron lose. I mean, that's that's always something that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Bright because he didn't want to play, so yeah, well
maybe I said, maybe it's sciatica was acting up and
he didn't really feel like he could, you know, be
out there, But either way, I really feel like I
don't really feel like it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
And then obviously jokicchen the performance that he had the
first ever fifty five he ended up with fifty six,
but first ever fifty five fifteen fifteen game in NBA history.
And it goes to the Joker, who just continues to
be the most consistent player in the NBA over the
past five seasons. Yeah, uh, he's he's he is an
(43:43):
alien and it's it's wild because his lack of athleticism
really and everything, it's not held back just because his
his basketball, like you, and his incredible shot making is
something you know, it's going to keep people tuned into
to him for a long time.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's just really wild. Amazing, man, Maybe sad's even the
right way to describe it. Like NBA on Christmas Day
was appointment television watching. Like once I got into sports,
once I became a Knick fan, and the Knicks always
played usually at noon, it was I want to rush
through my gifts because I want to watch the NBA.
(44:23):
And now it's just it's just there, and like next
year is gonna be even worse because next year Christmas
Eve is on a Thursday, Christmas Day is on a Friday.
You're gonna have four or five NFL games between those
two days. They always played Saturday this time of the year,
like it's just now like it's just completely been taken
(44:45):
over by the by the NFL.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Oh, dude, it's gonna be crazy. I mean, that's gonna
be a crazy stretch of NFL games. Now, hopefully they're
better than or yesterday. But you're talking about you're gonna
have Thursday night and be there'll be a Thursday five days,
so you'll that you'll have two probably on Friday, then
you'll have the one on Saturday, and then yeah, the
(45:08):
one on Sunday, and you talked about five straight Monday night.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I mean, I'm gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hopefully hopefully, you know, we don't have the matchups that
we had this time around, and there's third stringers in there.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Hopefully they're played on home fields on a neutral sites. Ah,
I would love to see him on neutral sites. I
just I think the only way the NBA could even
get this day back is if they ever altered the schedule.
And this is when the league began, and even at
this point it's probably it's probably too far gone. It's
enough because the like how I mean, I know Shrumpy
(45:42):
said he did it, but how many people that chose
to seek out sports watching yesterday, unless you're just an
NBA die hard actively chose to watch the NBA over
those three NFL.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Games, Probably not many. I mean I have access to Netflix.
You were locked in on the NFL games, And by
locked in that could mean that it was literally on
in the background and that was the only thing that
you were watching. But more than likely people, especially if
you're at some if you're you know, at someone's house
something like that, you're gonna have maybe one screen go,
(46:14):
They're ain't goam. Not many people are gonna have multi
screens going because you're hanging out with family.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
So what are you gonna put on?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
I will just throw the NFL games on, you know,
we'll keep an eye on them, but ultimately it's nothing
important where next year.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I mean, you never know what those matchups could mean.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They could be ones that are deciding divisions, and then
I mean people are definitely locking in on that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Over the NBA. Yeah, the Bagel guy with a great
text here. Don't be surprised if the NFL leaves open
the ability to flex next year to avoid this. I
think that would be a smart decision because yeah, when
we get these games and what may is when we
get the schedule, all those games are very appealing. Cowboys
Commander's division rival, the Commander's coming off of an appearance
(46:58):
in the ncay for the division. You know, you had
Lions Vikings. You thought that was going to be maybe
deciding the NFC nord YEP and then Broncos Chiefs. She
would have thought maybe was going to be a decisive
game in the AFC West and the game, you know,
the the Lions had something to play for and the
Broncos did, and then those are the only two teams
(47:18):
that were really playing for anything meaningful yesterday. So it's
just it kind of makes you wonder what took the
NFL so long to take over Christmas, because once they said,
the heck with that, we're going to start putting games
on these days. But there's no way now I'll see
the NBA getting traction back that they used to have
because it used to be the NBA's Holiday Sports Radio
ninety two to seven WFNZ. Trump's telling me to shut
(47:41):
up and go to break, So I'll listen to them
one final hour to go with the young Guns. We'll
get you ready for Panther Seahawks right here on Sports
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