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September 9, 2025 53 mins

In this conversation, you'll discover:

• How to recognize when you're "sleep talking" through life 

• The four types of conversations that reveal communication patterns

• Why most promises fail and how commitment builds trust


How many relationships have you damaged because you had to be right?

Most of us learned how to communicate from our families, our schools, our cultures. We picked up these conversational habits without ever questioning them. We argue to be right instead of learning something new. We make promises we can't keep because we're too uncomfortable saying no. We tell ourselves stories that limit who we can become, and we don't even realize we're doing it.

I used to think good communication was about being articulate or winning the argument. I thought if I could just find the right words, I could make people see my point of view. But what I discovered through my own journey is that most of our conversations happen on complete autopilot. We're not really listening. We're just waiting for our turn to speak. We're defending positions we never consciously chose.

Then I started meeting people who communicated differently. People who could disagree with me without making me feel attacked. People who asked questions that made me think instead of questions designed to trap me. After conversations with them, I'd walk away feeling expanded rather than drained. There was something they understood about communication that I was missing.

Today our guest is Chuck Wisner, a leadership coach and author of "The Four Conversations" who has spent decades studying how conscious communication can transform relationships and unlock human potential. He combines practical tools with deep awareness work to help people break free from unconscious conversational patterns.


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