October 12, 2025 • 18 mins
The road where Kane was found still holds unanswered questions. Rumors of stolen cars and silent witnesses haunt his family—and they’re not giving up until someone speaks the truth.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Appoche production. We hope this is not the final episode
of More to the Story. It's a podcast about the
tragic accident that took a young man's life in Townsville
(00:28):
in twenty twenty three. This podcast has been a little
different for us. We did it because we think that
it might help jog someone's memory or maybe get someone
to come forward who knows something about the circumstances around
Caine's death. We also know it's a long shot, and
so do the family, but they're hopeful that someone has
(00:50):
been sitting with a secret for over two years and maybe,
just maybe they might come forward. Caine lived with his
dad and his sister, Mikayla, just a short drive to
the park where he tragically lost his life. We took
his sister Mikayla back to that park while recording this podcast,
and as we drove to the park where Cain was found,
(01:13):
I mentioned to Mikhayla that it was a bittersweet that
the road that we were driving down was called Progress Road,
but there'd been very little progress in the two years
since Caine's death.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I've never thought of that, but that is very true.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What we do know is that Cain was laying down
in the park, possibly drunk, possibly greening out on marijuana.
Someone probably known to him accidentally ran over his head
and upper body at a low speed. Police and the
coroner say it's likely the person that ran him over
didn't know they did it. They say it's possible they
(01:50):
still don't know they did it. The family don't believe that,
and that's one of the reasons for doing this podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I just really was very, very excited about doing this
podcast to get Caine's story out there, to get people
talking about it more and more importantly, for him to
be not forgotten. And yeah, he will never be forgotten.
Someone out there knows something. Somebody knows something, they need
(02:23):
to come forward.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Cain or Caino as his mates would call him, would
have been twenty one. It's September this year. In this
small community, everyone that knew Caine loved him. He didn't
really have any enemies. The sadness for the family continued
just five months later with another death. This time it
was Caine's dog.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, she was smelling his scent down there for weeks
after it go crazy looking for him.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
She was Caine her very very close.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, she got a rare disease from the Alice River
and once they animal has this particular parasite disease. Yeah,
it's not curable. But his sister Mikhaela spent thousands at
the VET trying to save Poppy, but Caine wanted her
up there with him. And Cane passed in April and
(03:21):
Poppy Poppy joined him in September.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Sitting around with Caine's sister and Auntie and his mum,
Sarah Jane. After our interview had finished, we started looking
through some images and photos of Cain and some of
those happy memories came flooding back.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
So that's Cain and his dad at the pub, having
his first drink, being eighteen at the brother's first legal beer,
and that was Caine's eighteenth at the casino first time,
won four hundred dollars on.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The Pokey's and he was very, very excited about that.
And then of course there's other memories that aren't so fond,
like letters from lawyers and coronial staff.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Coroner has reviewed the information concerning Kine's death. This includes
a comprehensive investigation by the police on the information currently available.
She is not proposing to hold an inquest.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
We first traveled up to Townsville in September of twenty
twenty four. That was before the coroner had officially handed
down her finding. We actually decided to wait for the
finding as the family lawyer was worried that our podcast
might have gotten in the way somehow. In the months
leading up to the release of this podcast, we spoke
to Sarah Jane a bunch of times on the phone,
(04:42):
and in one of those calls she mentioned another theory
that was glanced over in our initial conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So recently I had our friend admit to me that
he heard some kids talk Britt Bragan about running over.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
The boy at Rupertswick. These are unsubstantiated claims and we
have not been able to verify them. These are what
the family have heard. Passed on this information to police.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And they steal all the cars, you know, and do
all that. That's what they do constantly. And we all thought,
like everyone has said to me, you know, did they
look in did they look into the stolen car thing?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I said, yeah, they did, but I don't think it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Was but we didn't know anyway, I went to the
coppers with that bit of information because you know, like
you can't not it's worth looking into. But it could
have just been them talking about it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just it seemed very sus to me.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And crime and stolen cars is a big thing in
Townsville right now, right.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It is very big, very big. Yes, stealing they fill
themselves stealing cars and driving around.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
How stupid, but that's what they do. Have The police
got any record of any stolen cars in the area,
and I'm guessing if it was a stolen car that
could have run over Caine, then yes, it would have
to be a large right. The police have already told
us that they won't be making any more comments unless
the coroner instructs them to reopen investigation. So we took
(06:16):
upon ourselves to have a look at stolen cars in
the area on the twenty first and twenty second of
April in twenty twenty three. The hardest part is the
police stolen car list, which is public, is really only
updated for twenty eight days, so something that happened three
years ago in Townsville is pretty much unsearchable on that database.
(06:41):
Our next stop is checking the archives for stolen cars
in Townsville on those dates in the year of twenty
twenty three, there were two thousand stolen cars in Townsville.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Two teenagers remain on the run tonight after a wild
stolen car joy ride across Townsville.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Cancuffs a boy so young he only just reaches the
arresting officer's elbow.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Darlar car have cracked, all footing around the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The five in the car one.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Looks to have cart.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
This footage was filmed by the offenders as they chased
the man down while armed with a machete, repeatedly ramming
his car. The offenders later posted the video online with
the caption and you don't chase us, we chase you.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
This girl is just fourteen years old. Rested and charged
along with two others aged seventeen, all accused of a
wild stolen card joy ride that ended like this.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
The lubyg.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Was like finding a needle in a haystack. As we
searched the date, we found one man that was arrested
on the twenty second of April in the nearby Willow
shopping center. It's literally ten minutes from where Caine lived.
He was arrested on another matter and CCTV had captured
him torching stolen car on April nine of that year.
(08:02):
He was caught because he was wearing the same clothes
and was committing another offense. He's an article from the
local newspaper read by an aiacta.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
The court heard that CCTV from a nearby store captured
him parking a stolen car around six thirty am on
April ninth, twenty twenty three, before getting out, pouring fuel
inside and setting it on fire. Crown prosecutor said the
footage also showed another car waiting nearby, which he got
(08:32):
into before leaving the scene. She said the car he
torched had been taken from a home in Hyde Park
by unknown offenders. The defendant has indicated he was unaware
that it was a stolen car, but nonetheless he has
pleaded guilty to unlawfully using that car. Police had also
located a fingerprint on the fuel cap of the burnt
(08:54):
car and charged him on June twelfth.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It begs the question for us about this stolen car theory.
Could it have been that Caine was still alive in
the park when all his mates left. Then later that night,
a stolen car on a joy ride drives through the
park and runs over Cain, there's only really one road
in and out of Rupertswood Park. We know that there
(09:21):
is one grainy CCTV camera at the fire station on
Progress Road, the street leading into the park. We heard
that the camera footage that was supplied to Caitlin Kane's
cousin to try and identify all the cars going in
and out of the park that night. It was hard
to make out exact cars.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
There's a fire shed about halfway down the park road.
They've checked that to identify all the vehicles that drove
through the area through the park that night. They basically
said they identified every single car that had gone down
there and who owned the car, except I think there
(10:02):
was one car maybe that they couldn't identify.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It does leave us with some questions. Were there any
cars that were never able to be identified? Did police
check cars in and out of the park from the
time everyone left the park to the time Kane was found.
Let's head back to what Cain's auntie told us in
an earlier episode.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Was just literally all the photos and Caitlin had to
go through and say, oh, that's such and such as
a car, that's such and such as car. Some of
them she couldn't even identify because they were going so
fast down the road.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Although we didn't have much luck with asking police questions
about the investigation, we have lodged a right to information
request around this stolen car theory and some of the
earlier questions we submitted to police. At the time of publishing,
we've not had a response. This stolen car theory is
(11:02):
not what we're saying happened. It's more that we want
to make sure all of the possible scenarios looked into.
Mikayla Caine's sister thinks the same, like, I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
But yes, you can't really rule that out. It could
have happened at any time when this.
Speaker 11 (11:20):
A certain particular person told me, well, he asked me.
He asked me, did the police look into all of
this burnting out cars that was stolen that night?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And I said, I don't know. You know, you'd think
that they would have.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And because he'd overheard.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Some of them, you know, talking and that sort of thing,
I said to him, you know, like I might go
to the police with this, just you know, like we
didn't want to let them know so that they had
time to cooperate their stories.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
Together and you know, get this story straight. But when
I went to the police about this, he said that
he was going to call this person and have a
chat with them. That I heard it from, which from
last I heard, he hadn't actually gotten onto him. But
the detective said that he will look into all of
(12:12):
the all of the stolen cars that and like the
kids that were caught and that sort of thing their
Instagram and you know, all that sort of thing where
they post in the brag about the cars that they
steal and their phone records. He was going, He did
promise us that he was going to look into all of.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That, but that was only if he could get on
to ol mate that came to mum to say that
otherwise he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So the stolen car theory is one angle that we
don't know actually has been completely investigated. It might have been,
we just don't have that information from police. There was
another theory that came up on a recent call with
Mikayla and Sarah Jane when we were making sure they
were happy with all the episodes, and that was about
the tire tracks that police say they checked. We've anonymized
(13:01):
who this information came from, but we have been able
to verify it through a few different sources. There has
been a conversation with someone that the family's spoken to
and we won't name names, that says it was a
very slight difference and due on the ground, could have
been the difference between something matching and not matching. Is
(13:23):
that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Exactly, like overnight like that, the grass could have moved,
you know, sun could have come up, grass could have
moved and changed the width of the tire by you know,
the slightest little centemeter, and that could have been all
it took.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The other option is if it was a stolen car,
then obviously unless those cars were then taken to the
park and forensically examined like they did with those other
two vehicles, then there's a chance that that area or
that angle of investigation hasn't also been looked at.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah that's right, Well, yeah, no it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
If you had a chance to talk to that person,
if they were sitting either listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Right now, I would say that you need to come
forward so that we know what happened. I just think
that it's just a coward act, just leaving someone there
like that, and you know, even if you didn't know
that you run someone over and you've seen it on
(14:34):
the news and you thought, oh, I drove through there,
Oh I remember, you know, feeling something, then like the
right thing would be to come forward and say it
could have been me.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Really, that's all.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's all we wanted was for someone to you know,
come forward and just own up to it.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
I'm just glad that the story's getting out there because
I don't want absolutely nothing to come of this, because
that's what was going to happen. But now, thanks to you, Jay,
that the story's going to get out there and someone
will come forward, because they'll even if.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
They don't come forward, even just hearing that that's out
there and everyone's listening to it and they just feel
guilty and just you know, like that'd be enough for me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Got a lot of satisfaction out of this podcast.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Jay, You've got no idea, a lot very very devastating
to listen to. Like I've only just listened to the
episode four last night, which is two weeks after you've
sent it to me, because it was just so hard
and came father also makes trouble listening to any of it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
As well. But that's that's understandable. I was about to
ask CoA Gary's doing.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, he he reckons he started the first episode and
he just like he actually made a comment to me saying,
I didn't realize that that's how it actually went, like
like hearing you know, like exactly what happened, and he
knew that I found him, but just how it all
happened of like you know, when Katie come driving down
(16:06):
the road and then you know all of that, because
I think his way of dealing with things is just
to sort of block it out, if it makes sense.
But I got him to listen to the Copper the
episode four where we interview the Damien. Yeah, and that
was and yeah, that was a real eye opener.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
What that policeman said with excellent It was all the
things that our whole family have been thinking the whole way.
Did they go to their house, did they check and
see if the times could have been changed?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Did they look at phone records.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like we always wanted to know whether they've done any
of that? And I don't think they did.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't like leaving a story like this unfinished. It
honestly leaves me thinking, have we done enough, then I
have to go back to why we started telling this
story in the first place. Someone knows how Caane died,
that someone is living with secret. We hope this podcast
(17:08):
might be enough for someone to come forward. How does
it made you feel like listening to I mean, obviously
we had this conversation about a year ago, now.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
More probably angry that you know someone's out there that
run him over and we still don't know who it is,
and listening to it all back, you just think that, like,
why does it have to be this hard to find
who you know run him over?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Why does it have to be this hard?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Why wasn't it solved? Still the right thing, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I know that you're probably struggling with what you've done,
because I know that I would be struggling if I
had done something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Still the right thing to come forward? Let us all
have closure.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Have you turned to tell your side of the story?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
If you know anything, you can reach out to us
on the email in the show notes anonymously.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
If he was here, I think that I do probably
tell him a little bit more that I love him,
just would have liked a little bit more time with him,
and really think that he would have turned out to
be a really amazing young man, and he didn't deserve
to die like this.
Appoche production. We hope this is not the final episode
of More to the Story. It's a podcast about the
tragic accident that took a young man's life in Townsville
(00:28):
in twenty twenty three. This podcast has been a little
different for us. We did it because we think that
it might help jog someone's memory or maybe get someone
to come forward who knows something about the circumstances around
Caine's death. We also know it's a long shot, and
so do the family, but they're hopeful that someone has
(00:50):
been sitting with a secret for over two years and maybe,
just maybe they might come forward. Caine lived with his
dad and his sister, Mikayla, just a short drive to
the park where he tragically lost his life. We took
his sister Mikayla back to that park while recording this podcast,
and as we drove to the park where Cain was found,
(01:13):
I mentioned to Mikhayla that it was a bittersweet that
the road that we were driving down was called Progress Road,
but there'd been very little progress in the two years
since Caine's death.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I've never thought of that, but that is very true.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What we do know is that Cain was laying down
in the park, possibly drunk, possibly greening out on marijuana.
Someone probably known to him accidentally ran over his head
and upper body at a low speed. Police and the
coroner say it's likely the person that ran him over
didn't know they did it. They say it's possible they
(01:50):
still don't know they did it. The family don't believe that,
and that's one of the reasons for doing this podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I just really was very, very excited about doing this
podcast to get Caine's story out there, to get people
talking about it more and more importantly, for him to
be not forgotten. And yeah, he will never be forgotten.
Someone out there knows something. Somebody knows something, they need
(02:23):
to come forward.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Cain or Caino as his mates would call him, would
have been twenty one. It's September this year. In this
small community, everyone that knew Caine loved him. He didn't
really have any enemies. The sadness for the family continued
just five months later with another death. This time it
was Caine's dog.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, she was smelling his scent down there for weeks
after it go crazy looking for him.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
She was Caine her very very close.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, she got a rare disease from the Alice River
and once they animal has this particular parasite disease. Yeah,
it's not curable. But his sister Mikhaela spent thousands at
the VET trying to save Poppy, but Caine wanted her
up there with him. And Cane passed in April and
(03:21):
Poppy Poppy joined him in September.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Sitting around with Caine's sister and Auntie and his mum,
Sarah Jane. After our interview had finished, we started looking
through some images and photos of Cain and some of
those happy memories came flooding back.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
So that's Cain and his dad at the pub, having
his first drink, being eighteen at the brother's first legal beer,
and that was Caine's eighteenth at the casino first time,
won four hundred dollars on.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
The Pokey's and he was very, very excited about that.
And then of course there's other memories that aren't so fond,
like letters from lawyers and coronial staff.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Coroner has reviewed the information concerning Kine's death. This includes
a comprehensive investigation by the police on the information currently available.
She is not proposing to hold an inquest.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
We first traveled up to Townsville in September of twenty
twenty four. That was before the coroner had officially handed
down her finding. We actually decided to wait for the
finding as the family lawyer was worried that our podcast
might have gotten in the way somehow. In the months
leading up to the release of this podcast, we spoke
to Sarah Jane a bunch of times on the phone,
(04:42):
and in one of those calls she mentioned another theory
that was glanced over in our initial conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
So recently I had our friend admit to me that
he heard some kids talk Britt Bragan about running over.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
The boy at Rupertswick. These are unsubstantiated claims and we
have not been able to verify them. These are what
the family have heard. Passed on this information to police.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And they steal all the cars, you know, and do
all that. That's what they do constantly. And we all thought,
like everyone has said to me, you know, did they
look in did they look into the stolen car thing?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I said, yeah, they did, but I don't think it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Was but we didn't know anyway, I went to the
coppers with that bit of information because you know, like
you can't not it's worth looking into. But it could
have just been them talking about it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just it seemed very sus to me.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And crime and stolen cars is a big thing in
Townsville right now, right.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It is very big, very big. Yes, stealing they fill
themselves stealing cars and driving around.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
How stupid, but that's what they do. Have The police
got any record of any stolen cars in the area,
and I'm guessing if it was a stolen car that
could have run over Caine, then yes, it would have
to be a large right. The police have already told
us that they won't be making any more comments unless
the coroner instructs them to reopen investigation. So we took
(06:16):
upon ourselves to have a look at stolen cars in
the area on the twenty first and twenty second of
April in twenty twenty three. The hardest part is the
police stolen car list, which is public, is really only
updated for twenty eight days, so something that happened three
years ago in Townsville is pretty much unsearchable on that database.
(06:41):
Our next stop is checking the archives for stolen cars
in Townsville on those dates in the year of twenty
twenty three, there were two thousand stolen cars in Townsville.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Two teenagers remain on the run tonight after a wild
stolen car joy ride across Townsville.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Cancuffs a boy so young he only just reaches the
arresting officer's elbow.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Darlar car have cracked, all footing around the vehicle.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The five in the car one.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Looks to have cart.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
This footage was filmed by the offenders as they chased
the man down while armed with a machete, repeatedly ramming
his car. The offenders later posted the video online with
the caption and you don't chase us, we chase you.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
This girl is just fourteen years old. Rested and charged
along with two others aged seventeen, all accused of a
wild stolen card joy ride that ended like this.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
The lubyg.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Was like finding a needle in a haystack. As we
searched the date, we found one man that was arrested
on the twenty second of April in the nearby Willow
shopping center. It's literally ten minutes from where Caine lived.
He was arrested on another matter and CCTV had captured
him torching stolen car on April nine of that year.
(08:02):
He was caught because he was wearing the same clothes
and was committing another offense. He's an article from the
local newspaper read by an aiacta.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
The court heard that CCTV from a nearby store captured
him parking a stolen car around six thirty am on
April ninth, twenty twenty three, before getting out, pouring fuel
inside and setting it on fire. Crown prosecutor said the
footage also showed another car waiting nearby, which he got
(08:32):
into before leaving the scene. She said the car he
torched had been taken from a home in Hyde Park
by unknown offenders. The defendant has indicated he was unaware
that it was a stolen car, but nonetheless he has
pleaded guilty to unlawfully using that car. Police had also
located a fingerprint on the fuel cap of the burnt
(08:54):
car and charged him on June twelfth.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It begs the question for us about this stolen car theory.
Could it have been that Caine was still alive in
the park when all his mates left. Then later that night,
a stolen car on a joy ride drives through the
park and runs over Cain, there's only really one road
in and out of Rupertswood Park. We know that there
(09:21):
is one grainy CCTV camera at the fire station on
Progress Road, the street leading into the park. We heard
that the camera footage that was supplied to Caitlin Kane's
cousin to try and identify all the cars going in
and out of the park that night. It was hard
to make out exact cars.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
There's a fire shed about halfway down the park road.
They've checked that to identify all the vehicles that drove
through the area through the park that night. They basically
said they identified every single car that had gone down
there and who owned the car, except I think there
(10:02):
was one car maybe that they couldn't identify.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It does leave us with some questions. Were there any
cars that were never able to be identified? Did police
check cars in and out of the park from the
time everyone left the park to the time Kane was found.
Let's head back to what Cain's auntie told us in
an earlier episode.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Was just literally all the photos and Caitlin had to
go through and say, oh, that's such and such as
a car, that's such and such as car. Some of
them she couldn't even identify because they were going so
fast down the road.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Although we didn't have much luck with asking police questions
about the investigation, we have lodged a right to information
request around this stolen car theory and some of the
earlier questions we submitted to police. At the time of publishing,
we've not had a response. This stolen car theory is
(11:02):
not what we're saying happened. It's more that we want
to make sure all of the possible scenarios looked into.
Mikayla Caine's sister thinks the same, like, I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
But yes, you can't really rule that out. It could
have happened at any time when this.
Speaker 11 (11:20):
A certain particular person told me, well, he asked me.
He asked me, did the police look into all of
this burnting out cars that was stolen that night?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And I said, I don't know. You know, you'd think
that they would have.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And because he'd overheard.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Some of them, you know, talking and that sort of thing,
I said to him, you know, like I might go
to the police with this, just you know, like we
didn't want to let them know so that they had
time to cooperate their stories.
Speaker 11 (11:51):
Together and you know, get this story straight. But when
I went to the police about this, he said that
he was going to call this person and have a
chat with them. That I heard it from, which from
last I heard, he hadn't actually gotten onto him. But
the detective said that he will look into all of
(12:12):
the all of the stolen cars that and like the
kids that were caught and that sort of thing their
Instagram and you know, all that sort of thing where
they post in the brag about the cars that they
steal and their phone records. He was going, He did
promise us that he was going to look into all of.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That, but that was only if he could get on
to ol mate that came to mum to say that
otherwise he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So the stolen car theory is one angle that we
don't know actually has been completely investigated. It might have been,
we just don't have that information from police. There was
another theory that came up on a recent call with
Mikayla and Sarah Jane when we were making sure they
were happy with all the episodes, and that was about
the tire tracks that police say they checked. We've anonymized
(13:01):
who this information came from, but we have been able
to verify it through a few different sources. There has
been a conversation with someone that the family's spoken to
and we won't name names, that says it was a
very slight difference and due on the ground, could have
been the difference between something matching and not matching. Is
(13:23):
that fair to say?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Exactly, like overnight like that, the grass could have moved,
you know, sun could have come up, grass could have
moved and changed the width of the tire by you know,
the slightest little centemeter, and that could have been all
it took.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The other option is if it was a stolen car,
then obviously unless those cars were then taken to the
park and forensically examined like they did with those other
two vehicles, then there's a chance that that area or
that angle of investigation hasn't also been looked at.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah that's right, Well, yeah, no it hasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
If you had a chance to talk to that person,
if they were sitting either listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Right now, I would say that you need to come
forward so that we know what happened. I just think
that it's just a coward act, just leaving someone there
like that, and you know, even if you didn't know
that you run someone over and you've seen it on
(14:34):
the news and you thought, oh, I drove through there,
Oh I remember, you know, feeling something, then like the
right thing would be to come forward and say it
could have been me.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Really, that's all.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's all we wanted was for someone to you know,
come forward and just own up to it.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
I'm just glad that the story's getting out there because
I don't want absolutely nothing to come of this, because
that's what was going to happen. But now, thanks to you, Jay,
that the story's going to get out there and someone
will come forward, because they'll even if.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
They don't come forward, even just hearing that that's out
there and everyone's listening to it and they just feel
guilty and just you know, like that'd be enough for me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Got a lot of satisfaction out of this podcast.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Jay, You've got no idea, a lot very very devastating
to listen to. Like I've only just listened to the
episode four last night, which is two weeks after you've
sent it to me, because it was just so hard
and came father also makes trouble listening to any of it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
As well. But that's that's understandable. I was about to
ask CoA Gary's doing.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, he he reckons he started the first episode and
he just like he actually made a comment to me saying,
I didn't realize that that's how it actually went, like
like hearing you know, like exactly what happened, and he
knew that I found him, but just how it all
happened of like you know, when Katie come driving down
(16:06):
the road and then you know all of that, because
I think his way of dealing with things is just
to sort of block it out, if it makes sense.
But I got him to listen to the Copper the
episode four where we interview the Damien. Yeah, and that
was and yeah, that was a real eye opener.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
What that policeman said with excellent It was all the
things that our whole family have been thinking the whole way.
Did they go to their house, did they check and
see if the times could have been changed?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Did they look at phone records.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like we always wanted to know whether they've done any
of that? And I don't think they did.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't like leaving a story like this unfinished. It
honestly leaves me thinking, have we done enough, then I
have to go back to why we started telling this
story in the first place. Someone knows how Caane died,
that someone is living with secret. We hope this podcast
(17:08):
might be enough for someone to come forward. How does
it made you feel like listening to I mean, obviously
we had this conversation about a year ago, now.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
More probably angry that you know someone's out there that
run him over and we still don't know who it is,
and listening to it all back, you just think that, like,
why does it have to be this hard to find
who you know run him over?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Why does it have to be this hard?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Why wasn't it solved? Still the right thing, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I know that you're probably struggling with what you've done,
because I know that I would be struggling if I
had done something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Still the right thing to come forward? Let us all
have closure.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Have you turned to tell your side of the story?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
If you know anything, you can reach out to us
on the email in the show notes anonymously.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
If he was here, I think that I do probably
tell him a little bit more that I love him,
just would have liked a little bit more time with him,
and really think that he would have turned out to
be a really amazing young man, and he didn't deserve
to die like this.
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