August 19, 2025 • 35 mins
Think Sex and the City was just about dating and designer shoes? Think again. This week, Leigh's joined by Mamamia's Head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnik to decode the fashion legacy that's still influencing our wardrobes 30 years later. From Carrie's controversial black bra moments to Miranda's power suits that actually made sense, these four women didn't just change how we talk about relationships—they revolutionised how we dress.
Laura breaks down why Carrie Bradshaw's style is actually more attainable than aspirational (yes, really!), explains how each character's wardrobe evolved to reflect their personal growth, and reveals why that infamous pigeon clutch from "And Just Like That" is peak Carrie energy.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on. Whoever said orange is
a new pink with seriously disturbed.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear the podcast. It
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad
because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying
(00:51):
goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our
screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a
few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced
our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you
were a fan or not, or a late coming to
the show. Sex and the City and then, and just
(01:13):
like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,
sex and fashion. Back in nineteen ninety eight, Carrie Charlotte
Samantha and Miranda burst onto the scene and changed our
lives in so many ways, talking about sex, career, relationships,
and of course, their fashion. So joining me today is
(01:34):
Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me
dissect the legacy that is sex and the City through
a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here
at Mamma Mia and the host of the Spill, and
her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know how she fits it all in.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
She's got some incredible insights about how these four women
changed our lives and what their fashion meant to us
and to them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome
to Nothing to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts,
but I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,
So welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
As a and also an expert.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Soon, but let me start with our questions we ask
first time guests before we get into the topic. Can
you describe your own style in three words and what
are they?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh? Well, I would say a bit classic, classic, glamorous
and comfortable. Yeah maybe, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have worked with you for seven and a half years,
and I would absolutely agree, particularly the glamorous, because I
think of your job, although I don't know, maybe on
the weekends, which might help you answer the next one.
Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a
lot or not a huge amount, but generally we reach
for a small section about ten percent. What's in your
ten percent?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And why?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Okay, I think my ten percent just because again, my
job is very much like red carpets, junkets, parties, all
that sort of stuff and which I'm always it's a lot,
But the difference is that there's a lot of people
who spend their day getting professionally made up to go
to those events, whereas I am always running from the
office where I keep a wardrobe under my desk, doing
my hair in the back of an uber. So I
(03:09):
love a very I have a rotation of a few,
like long glamorous dresses that I always throw like a
black jacket, all because I feel like they can take
me from the office to an event. And at the
moment in my rotation is a lot of I have
one black skirt and one long black pair of pants
that I'm wearing now that I just mix jackets with.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So I was gonna say, when I think of you,
I think of amazing blazers.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You have a lot of gray blazes.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
A blazer fixes you for just every single moment. You
can wear a blazer to a red cart, but you
can wear in the office. You just always look very
put together. I someone's even wear a blazer to brunch.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to hold you, but I'm going to put
you on the spot while where filming and recording. I
think you need to write like a blazer edit for
the website or something, because I can thank you for that.
Onto Fashion, Sex and the City and just like that,
and what were the movies called?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Oh, just Sex and the City one, And you're up
to date, very good.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
We are farewelling our four friends and their friends, which
is really sad for a lot of people. So let's
go back and talk fashion and our four friends sex.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
When the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I
was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You don't have to tell us how old you were,
But how radically different do you feel it was from
everything else on television at the time.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There just wasn't anything else on television at the time
like that. And again I was in primary school so
I wasn't allowed to watch it, but it became such
a big deal into high school. My friends and I,
living in this tiny town in North Queensland, would relate
to these women in their late thirties in New York
and we would pour our vodka cruises into martini glasses
a sleepovers to pretend we were them. I think it
just had this reach. And there were so many kind
(04:44):
of those New York City based comedy shows at the time,
but they were always about a big group of friends
and they were predominantly focused on love stories or career stories,
whereas Sex and the City talked about dating and sex
from a woman's perspective that we hadn't seen before. But
it also highlighted friendship in a way that we haven't
seen the same way since, and it's kind of going out.
(05:04):
Other shows have done it, but it hasn't resonated in
the same way.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, I did watch it at sixteen, and like, I
don't really think lots of sixteen year old should have.
But I'm the third child with her twelve year gap,
so I think my parents like, eh, who knows what
she's having seen? Yeah, exactly, I saw Cocktail when I
was like nine, so it became a cultural phenomenon straight away.
But still almost thirty years on, it's still so powerful,
resonates with women of my age, you know, meer and
(05:30):
Holly's age and younger. Why do you think it is
still so popular and why was it so life changing?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think the life changing element also just comes from
maybe the fantasy element of it. I think we are
in a time now where and this is a good
thing that there's so much realism on TV and we
have TV shows that show you this really gritty side.
But I think that fantasy element and that idea of
like New York being a character on the show, and
the restaurants being a part of it, and the shopping
and the clothes in a fantasy element is something that
(05:58):
died a little after Sex and the City. And part
of that is not the industry didn't try, because after
Sex and City finished, all these other big shows came
in to take its place, Like you had Kashmir Mafia
with Lucy Lou or you had Lipstick Jungle with Brookshields,
And these were shows about groups of women living in
New York with these glamorous careers and these incredible clothes
that were meant to fill that gap because the show
(06:20):
creators rightly knew that people were craving that, and unfortunately
right of strikes kind of killed them off. But nothing
has come in to take that cultural narrative in the
same way. And I think the friendship thing, as we
were saying, is a huge thing. And I really hate
when people say, like, oh, Charlotte was just the prissy
one or Samantha was a sex crazed one. It's like,
you would not find a better friend than Samantha Jones,
(06:41):
a great out there. And also just the way it
spoke about single life I think hasn't been picked up
in the same way. Like I think that in the
final season, there's this episode called a Woman's Right to
Shoes and the way that Carrie has that conversation with
her friends saying I have a real life, like I
don't have children, i'm not married, but my life matters
in a way through an allegory of shoes. I think,
(07:04):
like so many of my friends and so many people
I know still reference that episode a symbolic right as
the call of that conversation and the fact that that
happened over twenty years ago, and it's still relevant today,
and I feel like no other TV show has captured
the zeitgeist in that way.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh my gosh, I love that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's funny because obviously, thirty years ago there was god
no such thing as social media. I think maybe we've
just got a computer and I had to kick my
dad's fax machine off to go on to nine MSN
or whatever it was. But I didn't, and I don't
think anyone back then really was like, oh my gosh,
this woman can't pay her rent, but she's buying all
these shoes. Like you say, it was fantasy, but there
was no outrage about it. I feel like if they
(07:40):
did that now, it just it just I don't even
know if it would even land.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
We'd be nitpicking so much. It's so funny, like every
time Patricia Fields, who's the very famous stylist is you know,
behind Sex and the City, when she said that the
writers and her team had this unofficial kind of story
amongst themselves that Carrie had like this whole big storage
apartment somewhere else in New York City. I don't know
where she was finding the money for that. Although magazine
articles paid better then so I don't think it's beyond
(08:05):
the realm of disbelief that a writer could afford that
that was in a time of high commissions. Yes, but
they even the writers had a fantasy in their own
heads of how she had all these clothes in the
studio apartment. And I know in the later on seasons
they nit picked it a little bit. Yes, but I
also back in the star it's very believable that a
woman being crazy debt and all her money on shoes.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I started watching It's sixteen and then a few years
later I never wanted to get into magazines, but fell
into magazines, and I wonder now, subconsciously I did get
into a ridiculous amount of credit card debt, not earning
a lot of money, but thinking, oh credit pretty close.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, exactly, and you need it, and like carry kind
of made it okay because she'd like I bought Vogan
shoes instead of food, and you're like, I want to
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, and I'm like my friend on the TV did,
so it's okay.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
It made you feel like more of a creative person.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
To do it, totally struggling financially.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So she's one character, obviously, But then we've got Miranda, Charlotte,
and Samantha. Give me your vibe on each character, because,
like you said, they're not one dimensional. I mean, I
think if I look back at you know, like you
referred to, Charlotte was prim and proper and pressy and
desperately wanted her husband and kids. Then Samantha was sexy
and therefore dressed very sexy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then you had Miranda, who has a bit in Drogena.
She's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
She was kind of that more sensible one. But you know,
that's painting them with one brush. However, it was kind
of a helpful tool at the time because you could
maybe identify yourself in one of them or your friends.
But obviously they were much more complex than that. So
how do you think, I guess the characters represented women
(09:39):
in our lives, And then why do you think they
dressed the characters the way they did.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think what you're saying about them being these kind
of archetypes was very helpful when the show first came
out to sort of distinguish who was who of like
the proper one and then carry like the whole way
she was. Because if you watched the first episode of
Sex and the city where Patricia Field wasn't involved. She's
got a very different look. She's writing at home in sweatpants.
It's very strange then.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And didn't they talk to the camera for the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, they did that again. It was very documentary style.
I wonder how much of that came from Sarah Jessica
Parker wanting to be She was very embarrassed when the
show first started because she didn't want to be playing
a sex crazed character and she was like desperately trying
to get out of her contract and all this stuff.
And yeah, yeah, she was like, I will do three
movies for free if you let me out of this show.
(10:22):
And I think bringing Patricia Field on was a way
to kind of elevate it because she and Jessica Parker
became really good friends. And the whole reason she's wearing
that pink tutu in the first episode was to show
I mean once they didn't want the first look to date,
but they wanted to show that Carrie in a way
had this princess affliction, almost as like Patricia Field would
(10:43):
put it, that she lives outside of the normal world,
that she doesn't dress appropriately and she kind of just
walks to her own style. Yeah, And I think once
they decided that was Carrie, then they then went around
and sort of put those feelings on every character, Like
Charlotte was very tailored and together, which is kind of
misleading later on because after Samantha, she does have the
most sex on the show. So I think it's kind
(11:03):
of like, you know that, well, there are kind of
tellies of how many inct so you're watching it like
she's out there in the world living it's so true
and proper behind the scenes. And then as she becomes
more confident over time, she becomes a bit more glamorous,
a bit less loafers, a bit more like kind of
Park Avenue princess.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So yes, I was going to stay still very kind
of prim and proper, Yeah, but with her sex angle
sometimes very like sort of feminine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, exactly. And then with Samantha in the earlier episodes,
I know she's older than the other characters, but she
almost does dress a little bit older, slightly dowdier. And
then again Daddy's wrong word, but like you know, knits.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Coats compared to what we see her evolve into exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
And then towards the end, season, she's all about a
really strong power suit and a huge accessory. And that's
not just to show that she's overtly sexual. It's also
because she's running this big business and she's seen as
a power player on the New York scene, so it's
kind of to show that, like she's a businesswoman as well.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, and then Miranda, I guess, on the other hand,
he is a businesswoman, but more of what you think
is traditional business law.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Tell me about her.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I get she got the most ridicule when the chauf
first started for her fashion because I guess she had
that kind of like nineties working girl look of suits.
But it did look like, you know, like early in
your career. I don't know if you did this when
you worked in an office, so maybe because you're working
in a more of a glamorous place.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, no, I did.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I thought, what do grown ups were? Yes, and I
think I went to que and that was before Q
was cool again or Jackie E. And I was like,
I'm going to buy me suit.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I would go to like somewhere that wasn't cool and
by like two different.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Black Laura, I'm forty three, Yes, me too, and then
trying to pretend it was it.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, yeap, So we can't sit the riunda where she's
dressing how she thinks the lawyer should dress. And she's
a lot of money, so it's not it's not super cheap,
but like wearing the sneakers with it. And then she's
the only one who had a real off duty weekend
look where she would go to their brunches in like
the overalls and the hoodie and all that sort of stuff.
But again, as time kind of passes, especially as we
see her become a again moved to Brooklyn and become
(12:54):
a mother, her look kind of softens. And that's why
I love in the last season that she's wearing a
lot of these beautiful autumn hues and like, and she's
still got her own style, but she's wearing like those
very plush jackets and things over a suit to kind
of show that she's dressing how she wants, but she
hasn't left old self behind, yes, like, yeah, exactly. I
just love how all of their outfits over the seasons,
(13:15):
even though different stylists coming and out, shows the evolution
of the characters in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I guess if you watch it, you know, like
we did weekly when you couldn't really stream things or whatever.
It was so gradual we didn't really notice it. But
it's so interesting now with streaming or I mean, I
still have the box set of DVD.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I wish I hadn't got rid of Fine in the shoebox.
Have you? Oh my god, hold onto that. I know
so many people got rid.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Of them, and I don't know the DVD player, but
it's still streaming.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
It's a cultural moment. That shoebox you mean to keep you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I think I'm missing one disc.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But yeah, Now, if you'd like, you say you watched
the first episode in the first season, you can see
more rapid change. But that's not how it worked at
the time. You grew with them. You know, we watched
it weekly or whatever. But you know, it's strange to
watch someone grow up. If you do a binge of
over a week, it's not how TV was meant to be.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh my gosh, yes, I so believe that anyone who
says they binged all of sex and scene a week,
I just feel like that is suckrilegious, because again, it's
one episode of you're meant to like live with it
and think about it and have it in your.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Home, miss them and want to catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, I'm glad you say that because I only ever
watch to an episode of a week of anything.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That's the correct way to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I felt my God from you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That means a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Let's go back to carry for a second, because you
know main character, her style, you know, I mean almost
always prioritized fantasy or fashion overfunction. The amount of times
you would see her running around an entire city, and
in New York you walk everywhere. Although you know the
famous clips of her hailing a taxi and getting to
jump in the bags that held nothing maybe a tampon.
(14:53):
I must say today I wore a black bra under
this sheer thing because she was very carry, very carry.
But remember at the time, like, oh, you could see
her bra like a mistake.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The costumers had mucked up. And then Patriciavilde had to
come out and say, no, that's like part Carrie sees
her underwear is outerwear, and if even in an overly
sexual way, because the rest of her would be like
she'd be wearing this oversized skirt or like this weird bandanna.
So she almost had that old school man repeller vibe. Yeah,
with a bit of the brain.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But the original man.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Was and but it always felt it was for the girls,
not for the guys.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh absolutely, I mean I think, well, I was gonna
say all of them, but maybe not. But I think,
like you say, she was one of the original sort
of man repellers. And I think to your point, the
fact that I'm wearing a black brother not you can
see much and she didn't have hers like pushed up
and out, but it was.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Just a little peak through.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Think we don't realize how much permission that show gave
us to push the boundaries from what was before that,
because you know shows I was watching, you know around
the time of before was sort of like you Melrose Place,
you know, No. Two on and O's everything was out
of America really and we hadn't seen anything like that.
What do you think about some of those iconic looks
(15:59):
or unusual things that they wore thirty years ago has
influenced us now, Like did the kids even realize?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think it's had a real resurgence, like you're hear
now about like GenZ and even like gen Alfha getting
into sex and the city in a way, and I
guess because it feels otherworldly. And also there is that
thing at the moment, because we're all so online, everyone's
style is starting to look very similar because we're all
looking at the same few blogs, we're looking at the
same photo.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Or we're liking something on the algorithm. The algorithm is
then sending us such a narrow view that you think
that's all there is, because you know, I was looking
for a certain type of pair of genes and I
was like, wow, there's no other you know, everything is
getting more narrow and narrow, and it was, and it's
already relatively narrow to begin with, because you know, with
online retailers, they have so much data about what cells
they make more of that. Then you algorithm gives you
(16:44):
more of that, and you feel like there's nothing else
out there exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And that's why I do feel at the moment we're
kind of living in the death of personal style, which
is confronting. But I think in a way, Sex and
the City gave you permission to find your personal style.
And I know this might be a controversial take, but
I do feel like Carrie Bradshaw's style is very attainable,
not just aspirational, which I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Talk to me about that and tell me why.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, I think because on the outside you're looking at
like these are designer pieces that normal people cannot afford.
And it's also on this woman who is conventionally thin
and attractive, and she was a ballerina for a long time.
She has a ballerina's body again, which is why she's
wearing the two tuo in the opening sequence. And you
know she has her hair bill alone for that blonde
and foils and the hair, en imagine, is literally more
(17:30):
than most people would paying a mortgage free year.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And also her lifestyle is a freelancer. You know, she's
like your part. You know, you often run from the
office quickly to an event in the three seconds she
has the time, and they're just like the freedom I
guess as that character, she.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Has so much time, Yeah, totally to.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Sit and wonder.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But I think you're right because I think, you know,
I've watched a resurgence that I haven't actually realized was
a lot. You know, a lot of influence came from this.
But for example, I'm wearing some vintage shoes because I
felt they were like quite cary. I think they were
sixteen dollars. Wow, my brass from Target. This is secondhand,
and so you can because it's not a look for
her particularly but even yeah, probably mostly for her. But
(18:12):
it's all a colectic, it's all kind of a stylish
but it doesn't match. And you that means you can
go into your wardrobe and find old things and pull
them out and mix and match them and just because
they're not Manalo Blanik or whatever she's wearing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, exactly, that vibe right, exactly. It's not about the
designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And
I feel like that's when I first started to get
a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager
watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,
which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away
from the streets of me.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Or do you even own like a jacket or anything?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
No, because there's't bey one day a week in towns All.
We can wear a jacket when it's cool enough the rest.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Of the mean a whole year.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, pretty much, it's tropical all year round, which is
be't great for me, but I would save up all
my pennies from working at the cash register a Kmart
and go and buy like a pearl necklace or a
lace skirt to put over something, or cowboy boots. And
again I had literally no where to go. I cannot
say that enough. I was going to like walk around
the shopping center with my friends or going to the
movies or something, because when you're sixteen, like you want
to go somewhere, but you have nowhere to go. And
(19:09):
I've felt like every day I would be putting these
outfits together on my bed and the accessories and things,
and I would wear heels out. Again at sixteen, I
had nowhere to go. But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw
gave you permission to live in a fantasy. And even
if your fantasy things came from Target and Valley Girls,
lots of Valley Girls staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl
got it. And I think that stayed lay By now
(19:31):
exactly exactly for God. I had that six week payment
place because I needed it. And I think sometimes now
when I find myself also now that I kind of
have the job I fantasize at.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
The time, kind of we both semi have a carried out.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I feel like so many people in our industry do.
Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,
working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get
really tired and I feel like I just want to
pull on a whatever outfit, I think, what would sixteen
year old you think when she was watching Sex in
the City that you were leaving the house like that
when you finally have somewhere to go?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, totally, I love that, but I think you know, yes,
you had nowhere to go. But sixteen year old you,
you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed
in your career, and so it was an outlet for
creativity exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But then a lot of our.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Listeners don't have somewhere to go, is you know, as
a mother and as someone who works here part time.
But otherwise I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm
really trying not to save my special things and nowhere
to go. Sure I'm not wearing a ball gown and
definitely not at my age wearing six inch heels, but
I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I think that's what Sex and the City has
taught us, because look at like some of Carrie's best
outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their
friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of
the moments that got the most ridiculed from the new
And just like that is where she's staying the night
at her apartment after BIG's death and she wakes up
in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and
so she goes down the road to literally just grab
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a coffee from a bodega and she's wearing a full
like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag.
And I just think that is what she would wear
to go get a coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, that is what she because of her.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Comfort outfit and she felt good in it, and she
felt like that was her for the day.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And do you think because that occurred now, you know,
a couple of years ago, did you see any online
discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
There was so much I feel like people had forgotten
the world that they had craved to go back into.
Like everyone wanted to go back into the sextant City,
and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would
never wear that. First of all, if you go to
New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff.
You do see characters like that who were quintessentially New
York who live in these rent controlled apartments that they
could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes and they
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do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And I'm like,
that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her as this
like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart, she
is just an eccentric New York woman with too much
time and money, and we love her for.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed
her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have
old Lillu lemon leggings and so hould up track is
that's what she's got in her ten percent?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.
She puts on her walking heels, as she says, I know,
and she walks a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I had. I didn't know this, so if you can
tell me about it. Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that
she had a clause in her country.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That allowed her to keep the outfits. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,
she has all of them. In an archive, and she
does loan them out every soften to events and movies
and things, and she says she's keeping them for her
twin daughters and so jealous of those.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh my god, they better make a museum.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly, And so all those archival pieces that you
see in and just like that where that's why they
have all the clothing racks out where she says she's
sorting her clothes, and so you can see all the
pieces and they're all from her personal archive.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No way, isn't that just?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I also do feel that clause was potentially put in
before the big designers loaning Clay.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
She is a baller.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I know she wanted to get out at the start,
but now that is so smart.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she
leaned in in a huge way and you became a
producer on the show and became all that sort of stuff.
And yeah, she had that clause written in. I think
it was again to kind of sweeten the deal because
she did want to leave. Yeah, and then once all
the designers started being like where are stuff? Yes, it
was just like the game.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I can't imagine anyone else playing but her.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Isn't it funny how that.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Was like exciting doors moments you're just so glad that
they happened. I have to admit something, I have only
watched the first two seasons, even just like that, I
haven't watched the third one. I was in a panic
to catch up. But now that we know it's the
last I'm kind of savoring it, like that that chocolate
clear in the back of the fridge, or you know
that really good book you're saving for holidays. Yes, talk
to me about the last season and what have I missed,
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and maybe some spoilers for people that haven't caught up,
But this is from a fashion perspective.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and
firs all, I think it's the right thing for you.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
To save it because I'm excited now.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the
mood for it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You're not going to enjoy that, but you don't want
to open the bottle until you're ready.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Exactly one day you're going to reach for that treat
and it's going to be the perfect time. Yes. So
this season was a bit of a divisive one because
Carrie's outfits we're getting if we're going to talk from
a fashion yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't
know if you saw the images of her like out
and about having ice cream with Seama with a huge
kind of opulent hat.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow
from it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker,
like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin
for the show with that, she was not having it.
She's like that hat came from an artist. It is
a piece of art.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And she's really elevated, like she's made some designers whole career.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Is exactly I mean, even with Monolo's and stuff like,
she was the one who were like these are the
shoes I'm gonna or like the Fendi bagats and stuff like,
she was the one who picked them and brought them
into a bit more mainstream, which means more people were
buying them. But I do think that she's just in
a different place in her life from their original sex
and the city, and so her clothes should reflect that.
She is a multi multi millionaire woman because she has
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the money from her books, but also all of B's
money in including the money that he was meant to
give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Cour she I mean, I half feel bad for Natasha.
She felt.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,
as she said on the show. So I think we're
looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and
who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should
reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time
to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, and it was already part of you, you do
your expression.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And I think it still kind of shows like in
this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance
to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was
too special to wear, and then she wears when she
wants to go meet this writer she's got a crush
on because.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
She she's learned the life is sure, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
She's ready for the moment. And you see her again
go off in these like beautiful gowns to meet her
friends and very kind of big on the accessories, And
it does feel like it stays true to the Carrie
Bradshaw's style. It's just reflecting where she is now.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Right exactly and me as mid forties. Trust me, you
get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that
goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally attracksit that hasn't been
wa washed for three months, that I had a spraytang
in it. And sometimes it is a ball gown in
very coffee And I kind of like that. Before we
get into bougie and budget, can I ask you, did
you have a favorite character or do you have a
favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh? I mean it's hard because I loved all of
them from the start, which I feel is like just
maybe like a goody two shoes answer that I loved.
I loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love
Miranda's smarts. And again, I think Samantha is the best
friend you could have. But I do relate to carry
the most.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But about fashion wise.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Passion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried
to dress like Carry over the years in a way,
I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think
more of a Samantha. I think it's like power Blazer, Yeah,
I see that for series. I think that kind of
power dressing is what I relate to the most, and
also at the end of the day most comfortable. She's
often in a suit and I was like, that woman can.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Move, Yeah, totally, and a bold accessory you added on
and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has
to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because
of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex
and the City. I just and maybe now because that
whole kind of nineties and Hite two K's having a resurgence.
It maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I
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don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda, and
I love what you are and I will always love her.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I love that Miranda had a puge Riss surgeons with
that we should like with every outfit girls writing that
we shall be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone
loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or
a favorite season?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh my god, I mean I love I just love Steve.
I think, I just like, I.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I know, but then do I And then he gets
really fit. She's I can't remember exactly what it was,
but there was a few kind of brown blazes she
wore just from what I remember, some good knits.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like you said as.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Well, I just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Look if I could play with any of their wardrobes,
I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, exactly, it's very expensive. How wondre.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Onto boogie and budget, my friend? So our vibe for
this episode is Sex and the City. Inspired something we
might have bought in the past, or looking at, or
just something that you know, Like you say, inspired by
Sex and the City, you can get to your fancy
events after work.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I want to start with your bougie or your budget.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I stuff my budget because I'll say, my bougie is
like the dessert. Yes, love it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What's your budget?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second
one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.
And talking about the ten percent that you reached for
in your closet, I've reached this multiple times a day
to the point where when I do have to wash it,
I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the other day
I bought another one. I'm also like, what if it
gets lost on a plane or something, and I.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Don't have it.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black
Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate very Size Inclusive.
They got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is
lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,
a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.
But why I kind of And I guess it's also
something that all the different characters would wear. But the
reason I call it my Sex and the City piece
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is that I use it to layer. It's almost not
those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where
I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery
heels and the blazing right foundation. It's the foundation piece.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So yes, for your job, I have to just tell you.
There's an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like
a fabreeze, but it's fancier and it smells like perfume.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And it's antibacterial as well. It's meant to be a
travel spray for when you want to weave you go again.
Everything of mine is dirted. It doesn't sound very sexy
as a brand. We'll put a link in the show
notes the amount of jackets I disprayed the pits or something.
You know. I pull it up a wash and I go, oh,
need to like it's filthy.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But yeah, we just in one more. You just in
one more wear.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That will change your life. Add that to your work order.
Will Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,
my budget. Look, it's not that cheap, but it was
worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very
iconic light blue, one shoulder kind of rouchey dress. The
designer is normal Kmalie, and you can get it in
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literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it
on the out net when was on sale in lime green.
Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,
and that's all I could afford at the time.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But it's still around.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You can get it for about one hundred and fifty
bucks on the outmet. It's on Netaporter at the moment.
They make it every single season in a jersey and
then sort of more of a slinky one. You can
even get it in a leather. So originally it's about
four hundred, you can get for like one hundred one hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And fifty dollars. I've still got it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's got a built in body suit leg thingy, not
size inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing, but
I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear it
recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now that
we're back in this vibe, I love it. I just
we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it in
season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,
and normal Kamali is still making it. Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I love that. A truly timeless fashion.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm going to put in my archive, like with three
other things like sjp's massive archive.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, what's your bougie.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
This is a new brand that's only come out in
the last year and it's called a Range and I
buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.
It's a UK brand, but it is the first time
I found a brand of plus size and they do
street sizing twos so through from a six to a thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh wow, that's impressive and just very these.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Very opulent fashion moments like beautiful studded gowns, lace scowns,
sequence skirts, so It's a very opulent range, and the
first time I've seen sort of Sex and the City
inspired clothes from a size six through to a size
thirty at a fairly reasonable price point from what it is.
You know, some of the pieces are at four hundred,
five hundred dollars and then some of them more around
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one hundred dollars range. But they have these like beautiful
kind of studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful
lace tops, and this gold sequence skirt that is just
the this Sex and the City dream. I've always had
to wear something that opulent behind it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm saying, you've bought a dress, I gonna buy the skirt.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly
and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear
it to the office with like a white T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You have the most glamorous job.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm just gonna wear it to my next Don could
be more dressed up than the movie star I'm chatting to.
So again, they have really beautiful basics and things, but
I think it is the I bought this like studded
kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown and
all of these just really beautiful pieces that just weren't available.
So and I'm finding the quality from the pieces I
bought so far from that I've bought like a lace
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top and a lace stress. The quality really beautiful, the
fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to size
up and down if you need, and just to like
wear something so special that feels like it came from
a designer showroom.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So Arrange is the.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Brand change and it's on Aesos. Yes, amazing. Oh my god,
I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you
show me a few pictures.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I need to see that. I got too excited.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
No, I love it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, my bougie, I would never buy, but I just
am fascinated and loved it. And it's horrific and awful
and so ugly.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The J. W.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Anderson Pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season
two and just like that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I love J. W. Andison.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He is a phenomenal designer and I have a few
bags of his before he became cool. When they're about
six hundred dollars, but then I'd wait for them to
on the outnet and by the color. No one onted
with freeh then she you know he's now he's the
designer of Dior or something. Now one of the big
ones often does a collaboration with Uniclow there's one at
the moment. But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds,
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a small, hard, almost like statue of a pigeon with
a small little bit that opens and you can put
like one key and maybe a left liner in it.
So impractical, but I think it speaks to where Carrie
was at that point, Like, you know, she had lots
of money, she didn't really need to carry anything. Carrie
famously never really liked a phone. She didn't have to
fit a phone in there. No, but it's you know,
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well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely, given the name JWP,
which is another designer I like that makes more affordable bags,
has done an almost exact tube for a couple of
hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two JW's there, and also does
a cat, a unicorn. You know, lots of different strange
animal bags, but we're seeing a huge resurgence of these
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almost fantastical character to of bags and it's just a
bit of joy after you know, a lot of seriousness
in the world, and you know the quiet luxury trend,
which was lovely and I, you know, I dress quite classically,
but it's a bit boring. I just love looking at
these things exactly. I'm never gonna buy it. I just
think it's kind of ridiculous, But I love that there's
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art out there in fashion. And if you don't want
either of those, but you want to get on the
bag charm trend because everyone's wearing sort of bag charms,
get your regular good old black bag.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And then there's this really.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Cute pigeon caring on Amazon and it's cheapest chips. So
we're gonna put all of those in the show notes.
But if you want a pigeon to carry in some form,
you've got three options.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy
to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
As long as it's not a life like that woman
who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's
such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how
you fit all of that in your brain for every
show and movie, and it's just phenomenal. So thank you
for joining. That was awesome.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest
show on TV.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Thank you so much for joining me, and don't forget.
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To do it.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear the podcast. It
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad
because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying
(00:51):
goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our
screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a
few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced
our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you
were a fan or not, or a late coming to
the show. Sex and the City and then, and just
(01:13):
like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,
sex and fashion. Back in nineteen ninety eight, Carrie Charlotte
Samantha and Miranda burst onto the scene and changed our
lives in so many ways, talking about sex, career, relationships,
and of course, their fashion. So joining me today is
(01:34):
Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me
dissect the legacy that is sex and the City through
a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here
at Mamma Mia and the host of the Spill, and
her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know how she fits it all in.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
She's got some incredible insights about how these four women
changed our lives and what their fashion meant to us
and to them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome
to Nothing to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts,
but I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,
So welcome.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
As a and also an expert.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Soon, but let me start with our questions we ask
first time guests before we get into the topic. Can
you describe your own style in three words and what
are they?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh? Well, I would say a bit classic, classic, glamorous
and comfortable. Yeah maybe, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have worked with you for seven and a half years,
and I would absolutely agree, particularly the glamorous, because I
think of your job, although I don't know, maybe on
the weekends, which might help you answer the next one.
Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a
lot or not a huge amount, but generally we reach
for a small section about ten percent. What's in your
ten percent?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And why?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Okay, I think my ten percent just because again, my
job is very much like red carpets, junkets, parties, all
that sort of stuff and which I'm always it's a lot,
But the difference is that there's a lot of people
who spend their day getting professionally made up to go
to those events, whereas I am always running from the
office where I keep a wardrobe under my desk, doing
my hair in the back of an uber. So I
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love a very I have a rotation of a few,
like long glamorous dresses that I always throw like a
black jacket, all because I feel like they can take
me from the office to an event. And at the
moment in my rotation is a lot of I have
one black skirt and one long black pair of pants
that I'm wearing now that I just mix jackets with.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So I was gonna say, when I think of you,
I think of amazing blazers.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You have a lot of gray blazes.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
A blazer fixes you for just every single moment. You
can wear a blazer to a red cart, but you
can wear in the office. You just always look very
put together. I someone's even wear a blazer to brunch.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's comfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to hold you, but I'm going to put
you on the spot while where filming and recording. I
think you need to write like a blazer edit for
the website or something, because I can thank you for that.
Onto Fashion, Sex and the City and just like that,
and what were the movies called?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Oh, just Sex and the City one, And you're up
to date, very good.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
We are farewelling our four friends and their friends, which
is really sad for a lot of people. So let's
go back and talk fashion and our four friends sex.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
When the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I
was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You don't have to tell us how old you were,
But how radically different do you feel it was from
everything else on television at the time.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
There just wasn't anything else on television at the time
like that. And again I was in primary school so
I wasn't allowed to watch it, but it became such
a big deal into high school. My friends and I,
living in this tiny town in North Queensland, would relate
to these women in their late thirties in New York
and we would pour our vodka cruises into martini glasses
a sleepovers to pretend we were them. I think it
just had this reach. And there were so many kind
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of those New York City based comedy shows at the time,
but they were always about a big group of friends
and they were predominantly focused on love stories or career stories,
whereas Sex and the City talked about dating and sex
from a woman's perspective that we hadn't seen before. But
it also highlighted friendship in a way that we haven't
seen the same way since, and it's kind of going out.
(05:04):
Other shows have done it, but it hasn't resonated in
the same way.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, I did watch it at sixteen, and like, I
don't really think lots of sixteen year old should have.
But I'm the third child with her twelve year gap,
so I think my parents like, eh, who knows what
she's having seen? Yeah, exactly, I saw Cocktail when I
was like nine, so it became a cultural phenomenon straight away.
But still almost thirty years on, it's still so powerful,
resonates with women of my age, you know, meer and
(05:30):
Holly's age and younger. Why do you think it is
still so popular and why was it so life changing?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think the life changing element also just comes from
maybe the fantasy element of it. I think we are
in a time now where and this is a good
thing that there's so much realism on TV and we
have TV shows that show you this really gritty side.
But I think that fantasy element and that idea of
like New York being a character on the show, and
the restaurants being a part of it, and the shopping
and the clothes in a fantasy element is something that
(05:58):
died a little after Sex and the City. And part
of that is not the industry didn't try, because after
Sex and City finished, all these other big shows came
in to take its place, Like you had Kashmir Mafia
with Lucy Lou or you had Lipstick Jungle with Brookshields,
And these were shows about groups of women living in
New York with these glamorous careers and these incredible clothes
that were meant to fill that gap because the show
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creators rightly knew that people were craving that, and unfortunately
right of strikes kind of killed them off. But nothing
has come in to take that cultural narrative in the
same way. And I think the friendship thing, as we
were saying, is a huge thing. And I really hate
when people say, like, oh, Charlotte was just the prissy
one or Samantha was a sex crazed one. It's like,
you would not find a better friend than Samantha Jones,
(06:41):
a great out there. And also just the way it
spoke about single life I think hasn't been picked up
in the same way. Like I think that in the
final season, there's this episode called a Woman's Right to
Shoes and the way that Carrie has that conversation with
her friends saying I have a real life, like I
don't have children, i'm not married, but my life matters
in a way through an allegory of shoes. I think,
(07:04):
like so many of my friends and so many people
I know still reference that episode a symbolic right as
the call of that conversation and the fact that that
happened over twenty years ago, and it's still relevant today,
and I feel like no other TV show has captured
the zeitgeist in that way.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh my gosh, I love that perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's funny because obviously, thirty years ago there was god
no such thing as social media. I think maybe we've
just got a computer and I had to kick my
dad's fax machine off to go on to nine MSN
or whatever it was. But I didn't, and I don't
think anyone back then really was like, oh my gosh,
this woman can't pay her rent, but she's buying all
these shoes. Like you say, it was fantasy, but there
was no outrage about it. I feel like if they
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did that now, it just it just I don't even
know if it would even land.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
We'd be nitpicking so much. It's so funny, like every
time Patricia Fields, who's the very famous stylist is you know,
behind Sex and the City, when she said that the
writers and her team had this unofficial kind of story
amongst themselves that Carrie had like this whole big storage
apartment somewhere else in New York City. I don't know
where she was finding the money for that. Although magazine
articles paid better then so I don't think it's beyond
(08:05):
the realm of disbelief that a writer could afford that
that was in a time of high commissions. Yes, but
they even the writers had a fantasy in their own
heads of how she had all these clothes in the
studio apartment. And I know in the later on seasons
they nit picked it a little bit. Yes, but I
also back in the star it's very believable that a
woman being crazy debt and all her money on shoes.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I started watching It's sixteen and then a few years
later I never wanted to get into magazines, but fell
into magazines, and I wonder now, subconsciously I did get
into a ridiculous amount of credit card debt, not earning
a lot of money, but thinking, oh credit pretty close.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, exactly, and you need it, and like carry kind
of made it okay because she'd like I bought Vogan
shoes instead of food, and you're like, I want to
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, and I'm like my friend on the TV did,
so it's okay.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
It made you feel like more of a creative person.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
To do it, totally struggling financially.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So she's one character, obviously, But then we've got Miranda, Charlotte,
and Samantha. Give me your vibe on each character, because,
like you said, they're not one dimensional. I mean, I
think if I look back at you know, like you
referred to, Charlotte was prim and proper and pressy and
desperately wanted her husband and kids. Then Samantha was sexy
and therefore dressed very sexy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then you had Miranda, who has a bit in Drogena.
She's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
She was kind of that more sensible one. But you know,
that's painting them with one brush. However, it was kind
of a helpful tool at the time because you could
maybe identify yourself in one of them or your friends.
But obviously they were much more complex than that. So
how do you think, I guess the characters represented women
(09:39):
in our lives, And then why do you think they
dressed the characters the way they did.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think what you're saying about them being these kind
of archetypes was very helpful when the show first came
out to sort of distinguish who was who of like
the proper one and then carry like the whole way
she was. Because if you watched the first episode of
Sex and the city where Patricia Field wasn't involved. She's
got a very different look. She's writing at home in sweatpants.
It's very strange then.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And didn't they talk to the camera for the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, they did that again. It was very documentary style.
I wonder how much of that came from Sarah Jessica
Parker wanting to be She was very embarrassed when the
show first started because she didn't want to be playing
a sex crazed character and she was like desperately trying
to get out of her contract and all this stuff.
And yeah, yeah, she was like, I will do three
movies for free if you let me out of this show.
(10:22):
And I think bringing Patricia Field on was a way
to kind of elevate it because she and Jessica Parker
became really good friends. And the whole reason she's wearing
that pink tutu in the first episode was to show
I mean once they didn't want the first look to date,
but they wanted to show that Carrie in a way
had this princess affliction, almost as like Patricia Field would
(10:43):
put it, that she lives outside of the normal world,
that she doesn't dress appropriately and she kind of just
walks to her own style. Yeah, And I think once
they decided that was Carrie, then they then went around
and sort of put those feelings on every character, Like
Charlotte was very tailored and together, which is kind of
misleading later on because after Samantha, she does have the
most sex on the show. So I think it's kind
(11:03):
of like, you know that, well, there are kind of
tellies of how many inct so you're watching it like
she's out there in the world living it's so true
and proper behind the scenes. And then as she becomes
more confident over time, she becomes a bit more glamorous,
a bit less loafers, a bit more like kind of
Park Avenue princess.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So yes, I was going to stay still very kind
of prim and proper, Yeah, but with her sex angle
sometimes very like sort of feminine.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, exactly. And then with Samantha in the earlier episodes,
I know she's older than the other characters, but she
almost does dress a little bit older, slightly dowdier. And
then again Daddy's wrong word, but like you know, knits.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Coats compared to what we see her evolve into exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
And then towards the end, season, she's all about a
really strong power suit and a huge accessory. And that's
not just to show that she's overtly sexual. It's also
because she's running this big business and she's seen as
a power player on the New York scene, so it's
kind of to show that, like she's a businesswoman as well.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, and then Miranda, I guess, on the other hand,
he is a businesswoman, but more of what you think
is traditional business law.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Tell me about her.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I get she got the most ridicule when the chauf
first started for her fashion because I guess she had
that kind of like nineties working girl look of suits.
But it did look like, you know, like early in
your career. I don't know if you did this when
you worked in an office, so maybe because you're working
in a more of a glamorous place.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, no, I did.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I thought, what do grown ups were? Yes, and I
think I went to que and that was before Q
was cool again or Jackie E. And I was like,
I'm going to buy me suit.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I would go to like somewhere that wasn't cool and
by like two different.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Black Laura, I'm forty three, Yes, me too, and then
trying to pretend it was it.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, yeap, So we can't sit the riunda where she's
dressing how she thinks the lawyer should dress. And she's
a lot of money, so it's not it's not super cheap,
but like wearing the sneakers with it. And then she's
the only one who had a real off duty weekend
look where she would go to their brunches in like
the overalls and the hoodie and all that sort of stuff.
But again, as time kind of passes, especially as we
see her become a again moved to Brooklyn and become
(12:54):
a mother, her look kind of softens. And that's why
I love in the last season that she's wearing a
lot of these beautiful autumn hues and like, and she's
still got her own style, but she's wearing like those
very plush jackets and things over a suit to kind
of show that she's dressing how she wants, but she
hasn't left old self behind, yes, like, yeah, exactly. I
just love how all of their outfits over the seasons,
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even though different stylists coming and out, shows the evolution
of the characters in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I guess if you watch it, you know, like
we did weekly when you couldn't really stream things or whatever.
It was so gradual we didn't really notice it. But
it's so interesting now with streaming or I mean, I
still have the box set of DVD.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I wish I hadn't got rid of Fine in the shoebox.
Have you? Oh my god, hold onto that. I know
so many people got rid.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Of them, and I don't know the DVD player, but
it's still streaming.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
It's a cultural moment. That shoebox you mean to keep you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I think I'm missing one disc.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But yeah, Now, if you'd like, you say you watched
the first episode in the first season, you can see
more rapid change. But that's not how it worked at
the time. You grew with them. You know, we watched
it weekly or whatever. But you know, it's strange to
watch someone grow up. If you do a binge of
over a week, it's not how TV was meant to be.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Oh my gosh, yes, I so believe that anyone who
says they binged all of sex and scene a week,
I just feel like that is suckrilegious, because again, it's
one episode of you're meant to like live with it
and think about it and have it in your.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Home, miss them and want to catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, I'm glad you say that because I only ever
watch to an episode of a week of anything.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That's the correct way to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I felt my God from you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
That means a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Let's go back to carry for a second, because you
know main character, her style, you know, I mean almost
always prioritized fantasy or fashion overfunction. The amount of times
you would see her running around an entire city, and
in New York you walk everywhere. Although you know the
famous clips of her hailing a taxi and getting to
jump in the bags that held nothing maybe a tampon.
(14:53):
I must say today I wore a black bra under
this sheer thing because she was very carry, very carry.
But remember at the time, like, oh, you could see
her bra like a mistake.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The costumers had mucked up. And then Patriciavilde had to
come out and say, no, that's like part Carrie sees
her underwear is outerwear, and if even in an overly
sexual way, because the rest of her would be like
she'd be wearing this oversized skirt or like this weird bandanna.
So she almost had that old school man repeller vibe. Yeah,
with a bit of the brain.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But the original man.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Was and but it always felt it was for the girls,
not for the guys.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Oh absolutely, I mean I think, well, I was gonna
say all of them, but maybe not. But I think,
like you say, she was one of the original sort
of man repellers. And I think to your point, the
fact that I'm wearing a black brother not you can
see much and she didn't have hers like pushed up
and out, but it was.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Just a little peak through.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Think we don't realize how much permission that show gave
us to push the boundaries from what was before that,
because you know shows I was watching, you know around
the time of before was sort of like you Melrose Place,
you know, No. Two on and O's everything was out
of America really and we hadn't seen anything like that.
What do you think about some of those iconic looks
(15:59):
or unusual things that they wore thirty years ago has
influenced us now, Like did the kids even realize?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think it's had a real resurgence, like you're hear
now about like GenZ and even like gen Alfha getting
into sex and the city in a way, and I
guess because it feels otherworldly. And also there is that
thing at the moment, because we're all so online, everyone's
style is starting to look very similar because we're all
looking at the same few blogs, we're looking at the
same photo.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Or we're liking something on the algorithm. The algorithm is
then sending us such a narrow view that you think
that's all there is, because you know, I was looking
for a certain type of pair of genes and I
was like, wow, there's no other you know, everything is
getting more narrow and narrow, and it was, and it's
already relatively narrow to begin with, because you know, with
online retailers, they have so much data about what cells
they make more of that. Then you algorithm gives you
(16:44):
more of that, and you feel like there's nothing else
out there exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And that's why I do feel at the moment we're
kind of living in the death of personal style, which
is confronting. But I think in a way, Sex and
the City gave you permission to find your personal style.
And I know this might be a controversial take, but
I do feel like Carrie Bradshaw's style is very attainable,
not just aspirational, which I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Talk to me about that and tell me why.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, I think because on the outside you're looking at
like these are designer pieces that normal people cannot afford.
And it's also on this woman who is conventionally thin
and attractive, and she was a ballerina for a long time.
She has a ballerina's body again, which is why she's
wearing the two tuo in the opening sequence. And you
know she has her hair bill alone for that blonde
and foils and the hair, en imagine, is literally more
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than most people would paying a mortgage free year.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And also her lifestyle is a freelancer. You know, she's
like your part. You know, you often run from the
office quickly to an event in the three seconds she
has the time, and they're just like the freedom I
guess as that character, she.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Has so much time, Yeah, totally to.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Sit and wonder.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But I think you're right because I think, you know,
I've watched a resurgence that I haven't actually realized was
a lot. You know, a lot of influence came from this.
But for example, I'm wearing some vintage shoes because I
felt they were like quite cary. I think they were
sixteen dollars. Wow, my brass from Target. This is secondhand,
and so you can because it's not a look for
her particularly but even yeah, probably mostly for her. But
(18:12):
it's all a colectic, it's all kind of a stylish
but it doesn't match. And you that means you can
go into your wardrobe and find old things and pull
them out and mix and match them and just because
they're not Manalo Blanik or whatever she's wearing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, exactly, that vibe right, exactly. It's not about the
designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And
I feel like that's when I first started to get
a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager
watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,
which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away
from the streets of me.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Or do you even own like a jacket or anything?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
No, because there's't bey one day a week in towns All.
We can wear a jacket when it's cool enough the rest.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Of the mean a whole year.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, pretty much, it's tropical all year round, which is
be't great for me, but I would save up all
my pennies from working at the cash register a Kmart
and go and buy like a pearl necklace or a
lace skirt to put over something, or cowboy boots. And
again I had literally no where to go. I cannot
say that enough. I was going to like walk around
the shopping center with my friends or going to the
movies or something, because when you're sixteen, like you want
to go somewhere, but you have nowhere to go. And
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I've felt like every day I would be putting these
outfits together on my bed and the accessories and things,
and I would wear heels out. Again at sixteen, I
had nowhere to go. But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw
gave you permission to live in a fantasy. And even
if your fantasy things came from Target and Valley Girls,
lots of Valley Girls staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl
got it. And I think that stayed lay By now
(19:31):
exactly exactly for God. I had that six week payment
place because I needed it. And I think sometimes now
when I find myself also now that I kind of
have the job I fantasize at.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
The time, kind of we both semi have a carried out.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I feel like so many people in our industry do.
Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,
working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get
really tired and I feel like I just want to
pull on a whatever outfit, I think, what would sixteen
year old you think when she was watching Sex in
the City that you were leaving the house like that
when you finally have somewhere to go?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, totally, I love that, but I think you know, yes,
you had nowhere to go. But sixteen year old you,
you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed
in your career, and so it was an outlet for
creativity exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But then a lot of our.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Listeners don't have somewhere to go, is you know, as
a mother and as someone who works here part time.
But otherwise I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm
really trying not to save my special things and nowhere
to go. Sure I'm not wearing a ball gown and
definitely not at my age wearing six inch heels, but
I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I think that's what Sex and the City has
taught us, because look at like some of Carrie's best
outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their
friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of
the moments that got the most ridiculed from the new
And just like that is where she's staying the night
at her apartment after BIG's death and she wakes up
in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and
so she goes down the road to literally just grab
(20:55):
a coffee from a bodega and she's wearing a full
like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag.
And I just think that is what she would wear
to go get a coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, that is what she because of her.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Comfort outfit and she felt good in it, and she
felt like that was her for the day.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And do you think because that occurred now, you know,
a couple of years ago, did you see any online
discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
There was so much I feel like people had forgotten
the world that they had craved to go back into.
Like everyone wanted to go back into the sextant City,
and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would
never wear that. First of all, if you go to
New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff.
You do see characters like that who were quintessentially New
York who live in these rent controlled apartments that they
could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes and they
(21:37):
do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And I'm like,
that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her as this
like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart, she
is just an eccentric New York woman with too much
time and money, and we love her for.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed
her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have
old Lillu lemon leggings and so hould up track is
that's what she's got in her ten percent?
Speaker 4 (21:56):
She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.
She puts on her walking heels, as she says, I know,
and she walks a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I had. I didn't know this, so if you can
tell me about it. Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that
she had a clause in her country.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That allowed her to keep the outfits. Is this true?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,
she has all of them. In an archive, and she
does loan them out every soften to events and movies
and things, and she says she's keeping them for her
twin daughters and so jealous of those.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh my god, they better make a museum.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly, And so all those archival pieces that you
see in and just like that where that's why they
have all the clothing racks out where she says she's
sorting her clothes, and so you can see all the
pieces and they're all from her personal archive.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No way, isn't that just?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I also do feel that clause was potentially put in
before the big designers loaning Clay.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
She is a baller.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I know she wanted to get out at the start,
but now that is so smart.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she
leaned in in a huge way and you became a
producer on the show and became all that sort of stuff.
And yeah, she had that clause written in. I think
it was again to kind of sweeten the deal because
she did want to leave. Yeah, and then once all
the designers started being like where are stuff? Yes, it
was just like the game.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I can't imagine anyone else playing but her.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Isn't it funny how that.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Was like exciting doors moments you're just so glad that
they happened. I have to admit something, I have only
watched the first two seasons, even just like that, I
haven't watched the third one. I was in a panic
to catch up. But now that we know it's the
last I'm kind of savoring it, like that that chocolate
clear in the back of the fridge, or you know
that really good book you're saving for holidays. Yes, talk
to me about the last season and what have I missed,
(23:34):
and maybe some spoilers for people that haven't caught up,
But this is from a fashion perspective.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and
firs all, I think it's the right thing for you.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
To save it because I'm excited now.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the
mood for it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You're not going to enjoy that, but you don't want
to open the bottle until you're ready.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Exactly one day you're going to reach for that treat
and it's going to be the perfect time. Yes. So
this season was a bit of a divisive one because
Carrie's outfits we're getting if we're going to talk from
a fashion yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't
know if you saw the images of her like out
and about having ice cream with Seama with a huge
kind of opulent hat.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow
from it.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker,
like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin
for the show with that, she was not having it.
She's like that hat came from an artist. It is
a piece of art.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And she's really elevated, like she's made some designers whole career.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Is exactly I mean, even with Monolo's and stuff like,
she was the one who were like these are the
shoes I'm gonna or like the Fendi bagats and stuff like,
she was the one who picked them and brought them
into a bit more mainstream, which means more people were
buying them. But I do think that she's just in
a different place in her life from their original sex
and the city, and so her clothes should reflect that.
She is a multi multi millionaire woman because she has
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the money from her books, but also all of B's
money in including the money that he was meant to
give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Cour she I mean, I half feel bad for Natasha.
She felt.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,
as she said on the show. So I think we're
looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and
who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should
reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time
to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, and it was already part of you, you do
your expression.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And I think it still kind of shows like in
this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance
to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was
too special to wear, and then she wears when she
wants to go meet this writer she's got a crush
on because.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
She she's learned the life is sure, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
She's ready for the moment. And you see her again
go off in these like beautiful gowns to meet her
friends and very kind of big on the accessories, And
it does feel like it stays true to the Carrie
Bradshaw's style. It's just reflecting where she is now.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Right exactly and me as mid forties. Trust me, you
get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that
goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally attracksit that hasn't been
wa washed for three months, that I had a spraytang
in it. And sometimes it is a ball gown in
very coffee And I kind of like that. Before we
get into bougie and budget, can I ask you, did
you have a favorite character or do you have a
favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh? I mean it's hard because I loved all of
them from the start, which I feel is like just
maybe like a goody two shoes answer that I loved.
I loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love
Miranda's smarts. And again, I think Samantha is the best
friend you could have. But I do relate to carry
the most.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But about fashion wise.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Passion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried
to dress like Carry over the years in a way,
I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think
more of a Samantha. I think it's like power Blazer, Yeah,
I see that for series. I think that kind of
power dressing is what I relate to the most, and
also at the end of the day most comfortable. She's
often in a suit and I was like, that woman can.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Move, Yeah, totally, and a bold accessory you added on
and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has
to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because
of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex
and the City. I just and maybe now because that
whole kind of nineties and Hite two K's having a resurgence.
It maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I
(27:00):
don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda, and
I love what you are and I will always love her.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I love that Miranda had a puge Riss surgeons with
that we should like with every outfit girls writing that
we shall be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone
loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or
a favorite season?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh my god, I mean I love I just love Steve.
I think, I just like, I.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I know, but then do I And then he gets
really fit. She's I can't remember exactly what it was,
but there was a few kind of brown blazes she
wore just from what I remember, some good knits.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like you said as.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Well, I just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Look if I could play with any of their wardrobes,
I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, exactly, it's very expensive. How wondre.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Onto boogie and budget, my friend? So our vibe for
this episode is Sex and the City. Inspired something we
might have bought in the past, or looking at, or
just something that you know, Like you say, inspired by
Sex and the City, you can get to your fancy
events after work.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I want to start with your bougie or your budget.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I stuff my budget because I'll say, my bougie is
like the dessert. Yes, love it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What's your budget?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second
one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.
And talking about the ten percent that you reached for
in your closet, I've reached this multiple times a day
to the point where when I do have to wash it,
I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the other day
I bought another one. I'm also like, what if it
gets lost on a plane or something, and I.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Don't have it.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black
Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate very Size Inclusive.
They got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is
lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,
a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.
But why I kind of And I guess it's also
something that all the different characters would wear. But the
reason I call it my Sex and the City piece
(28:58):
is that I use it to layer. It's almost not
those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where
I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery
heels and the blazing right foundation. It's the foundation piece.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So yes, for your job, I have to just tell you.
There's an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like
a fabreeze, but it's fancier and it smells like perfume.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And it's antibacterial as well. It's meant to be a
travel spray for when you want to weave you go again.
Everything of mine is dirted. It doesn't sound very sexy
as a brand. We'll put a link in the show
notes the amount of jackets I disprayed the pits or something.
You know. I pull it up a wash and I go, oh,
need to like it's filthy.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But yeah, we just in one more. You just in
one more wear.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That will change your life. Add that to your work order.
Will Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,
my budget. Look, it's not that cheap, but it was
worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very
iconic light blue, one shoulder kind of rouchey dress. The
designer is normal Kmalie, and you can get it in
(29:57):
literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it
on the out net when was on sale in lime green.
Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,
and that's all I could afford at the time.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But it's still around.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You can get it for about one hundred and fifty
bucks on the outmet. It's on Netaporter at the moment.
They make it every single season in a jersey and
then sort of more of a slinky one. You can
even get it in a leather. So originally it's about
four hundred, you can get for like one hundred one hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And fifty dollars. I've still got it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's got a built in body suit leg thingy, not
size inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing, but
I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear it
recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now that
we're back in this vibe, I love it. I just
we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it in
season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,
and normal Kamali is still making it. Oh.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I love that. A truly timeless fashion.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm going to put in my archive, like with three
other things like sjp's massive archive.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, what's your bougie.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
This is a new brand that's only come out in
the last year and it's called a Range and I
buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.
It's a UK brand, but it is the first time
I found a brand of plus size and they do
street sizing twos so through from a six to a thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh wow, that's impressive and just very these.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Very opulent fashion moments like beautiful studded gowns, lace scowns,
sequence skirts, so It's a very opulent range, and the
first time I've seen sort of Sex and the City
inspired clothes from a size six through to a size
thirty at a fairly reasonable price point from what it is.
You know, some of the pieces are at four hundred,
five hundred dollars and then some of them more around
(31:34):
one hundred dollars range. But they have these like beautiful
kind of studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful
lace tops, and this gold sequence skirt that is just
the this Sex and the City dream. I've always had
to wear something that opulent behind it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm saying, you've bought a dress, I gonna buy the skirt.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly
and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear
it to the office with like a white T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You have the most glamorous job.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm just gonna wear it to my next Don could
be more dressed up than the movie star I'm chatting to.
So again, they have really beautiful basics and things, but
I think it is the I bought this like studded
kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown and
all of these just really beautiful pieces that just weren't available.
So and I'm finding the quality from the pieces I
bought so far from that I've bought like a lace
(32:22):
top and a lace stress. The quality really beautiful, the
fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to size
up and down if you need, and just to like
wear something so special that feels like it came from
a designer showroom.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So Arrange is the.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Brand change and it's on Aesos. Yes, amazing. Oh my god,
I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you
show me a few pictures.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I need to see that. I got too excited.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
No, I love it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, my bougie, I would never buy, but I just
am fascinated and loved it. And it's horrific and awful
and so ugly.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The J. W.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Anderson Pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season
two and just like that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I love J. W. Andison.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
He is a phenomenal designer and I have a few
bags of his before he became cool. When they're about
six hundred dollars, but then I'd wait for them to
on the outnet and by the color. No one onted
with freeh then she you know he's now he's the
designer of Dior or something. Now one of the big
ones often does a collaboration with Uniclow there's one at
the moment. But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds,
(33:25):
a small, hard, almost like statue of a pigeon with
a small little bit that opens and you can put
like one key and maybe a left liner in it.
So impractical, but I think it speaks to where Carrie
was at that point, Like, you know, she had lots
of money, she didn't really need to carry anything. Carrie
famously never really liked a phone. She didn't have to
fit a phone in there. No, but it's you know,
(33:47):
well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely, given the name JWP,
which is another designer I like that makes more affordable bags,
has done an almost exact tube for a couple of
hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two JW's there, and also does
a cat, a unicorn. You know, lots of different strange
animal bags, but we're seeing a huge resurgence of these
(34:09):
almost fantastical character to of bags and it's just a
bit of joy after you know, a lot of seriousness
in the world, and you know the quiet luxury trend,
which was lovely and I, you know, I dress quite classically,
but it's a bit boring. I just love looking at
these things exactly. I'm never gonna buy it. I just
think it's kind of ridiculous, But I love that there's
(34:30):
art out there in fashion. And if you don't want
either of those, but you want to get on the
bag charm trend because everyone's wearing sort of bag charms,
get your regular good old black bag.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And then there's this really.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Cute pigeon caring on Amazon and it's cheapest chips. So
we're gonna put all of those in the show notes.
But if you want a pigeon to carry in some form,
you've got three options.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy
to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
As long as it's not a life like that woman
who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's
such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how
you fit all of that in your brain for every
show and movie, and it's just phenomenal. So thank you
for joining. That was awesome.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest
show on TV.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Thank you so much for joining me, and don't forget.
If you want more fashion, you can follow us on
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