May 13, 2025 • 13 mins
In this follow-up episode, Leigh Campbell and Mamamia's social whiz Liv James swap fashion intel to close the fashion gap between generations. Liv's all about that digital life—ditching wallets and handbags for phone in hand and keys in bra, and opting for kicks over heels. Leigh's here to get to know what makes Gen Z tick, and find common ground to put the Gen Z vs Millenial debate to bed.
The fashion duo bonds over statement pieces and suede jackets, proving that while your birth year might influence your wardrobe choices, expressing yourself through fashion is always in.
EVERYTHING MENTIONED:
Liv's Budget: UNIQLO AIRism Long Sleeve
Leigh's Budget: Sheike Nara Pant
Liv's Boujee: Onitsuka Tiger MEXICO 66
Leigh's Boujee: Nour Hammour Hatti Jacket
For more fashion tips from Mamamia's Liv James, check out The 8 pieces I wear on repeat that will get you stopped-in-the-street levels of praise.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the
traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have to do it. You live for fashion?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear Lee Here. Now today,
I've got Live James coming back. Live is twenty five
and runs the social Here Mamma Mia, and she is
so stylish. So we're going to talk two generations, why
we fight about socks and everything in between. Live James
Welcome Back. We were supposed to only do one episode
on our different generations and what we wear, but we
(00:54):
couldn't stop talking, so we have a lot to say.
Turned it into two. So I wanted to get into
some quick fire questions and a bit more of an
interrogation into your style and the generation of people your age.
Do you have a wallet? No? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No? Everything I need is on my phone.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What if your phone dies?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But it doesn't, That's just like not a situation that
I would allow to happen. And I would just go
and ask someone to charge it, or I'd say to my.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Friends, your medicare on your app thing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I've just got the number on my notes.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh good, And your license is because I have a
digital it depends on the safe day.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. But when that didn't happen, I just had a
little thing on the back of my phone that I'd
slip it into. Yeah, like I could romanticize having a wallet,
like opening it up and shaking the goods.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I went from what was a standard sized wallet to
a small wallet. But I still have all my cards,
my medicare, my fly byes. Is that all on your phone?
Your fly eyes?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah? Yeah I did. I just recently got that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Actually, what if someone steals your phone and then you
don't have your What if someone steals your wallet. I've
still got my phone.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, but what if they still both?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well that's happened.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
See, never happened to me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, Well this leads us to the second question, because
this is what happened to me. Handbags. Okay, I don't
see your generation of you guys like having a variety
of handbags or really even carrying a bag. So yeah,
what's going on with handbag? Look?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I actually have quite an interesting perspective on this, right
A handbag to me is an accessory, right, but you
don't necessarily actually need it for your outfit. Maybe when
you go into certain life stages as being like a parent,
you need to carry things for your kids, but we
I don't need a handbag.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, take away going to work because do you leave
your laptop here or get But you so that brunch
with the girlfriends, Yeah you're taking a handbag? Probably not
where's your lip? Bum?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like in my pocket?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Where's your hampon? Sorry? But like, I just find this
so fascinating. You have so few essentials that you feel
no bound to.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Okay, so there is one handbag that I have. It's
like this black little Origin bag that my best friend
got me, and I would probably take that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And is that versy centtile enough to take you most places? Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It is absolutely the only thing that I have is
with handbags. Every handbag that I love and really really
like admire, like a Fendy bagette, Like I can look
at it and be like, oh my god, I love that.
It's just like out of my tax bracket. Yeah, okay,
I love that, but I have no purpose for it
and I can't afford it, and I just go without yeah,
(03:24):
I don't know if that makes sense. Tishoes not what?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
For a long time, I just put things in my bra.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah I do that sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I do that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you know, you forget handbags like you put them
in your uber or you pass them off to your
friends when you don't want to carry it. Every night
out that I have, my handbag ends up on some
dude's shoulder because I can't be bothered to have it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I wish I could be as free. Do you have
a phone strap?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You just carry it?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Hey wait, keys in the bra?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay? Yeah, heels I feel like, you know, thankfully, due
to lockdown, that was what five years ago. Now, we
haven't really seen the resurgence of huge high stilettos, and
as such, flat shoes have got cooler than ever before. Yeah,
but how do you feel about high heels in general?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I probably quite like the handbag thing, right, They're beautiful,
Like I love when you put a heel on and
then suddenly I'm like strutting down the street like I'm
a ceo of like some kind of company. But I
am a pure creature of comfort. I want to look
put together. But I don't want to feel like I'm
like uncomfortable. Yeah, and he'lls do that, which is why
(04:29):
I resort to the kitten heels.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, like if.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's too high.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
See, that's the wisdom I gained in my forties and
you have that at twenty five. And I do think
that thankfully. You know, for the most part, trends have
gone that way. Yeah, but I just have so many
beautiful pairces of stilettos. I'll never get rid of it
and I'll never wear.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I remember you, like over a year ago about how
in Cosmo it was like you'd wear heels every It.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Was an unspoken rule that you had to wear six
yen cheels. Well, like if you were wearing flats, you weren't.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I could not imagine that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Here. Do you own any high heel? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I do? I have one pair?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Okay, Yeah, this is amazing. I love your generation. What
have you personally and your generation got against no show
anchor socks?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What have you got against showing your socks?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't your generation started it. If I am going
to the gym, it just looks nicer to have the
trainer and a bit of flesh and than your legging
socks will cutting off ee and weird.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I reckon that comes back to the mad days of rules, right,
we don't have that. I love socks, I know, and
I love colored socks. I think we went through that
last time because they can be an added element to
your outfit. They're more fun to have. I'll put my
outfit down every night, and then they'll go through my socks.
I'm okay, which one goes with it?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I approve of your love of socks, but why do
you hate our no show socks?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They feel like sneaky.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Because they're just so functional and not fun.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, they don't even feel functional, like they slide down
your foot.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The uniclow ones don't. But I get what you mean.
There's no joy to them.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, there's not. And it's also a bit like, yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That made me think of another thing I haven't had
any the script about shapewear. Does your generation do.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Shit wear skims?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Because a no show sock is like shape re like
it's purely functional.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is sort of. I guess it comes
down to taste, right, where a shape where has like
a purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So it's easier to get on board with that. Whereas
you're wearing a no show sock because you feel like
it looks better, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It is just a so your feet don't get sweaty
and you don't get blistered. Would you rather be overdressed
or underdressed?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I think that comes back to what I said before.
I want to look like I'm overdressed, but I want
to feel like I'm underdressed, like I really value being comfortable. Yes,
So that's where I draw the line. But that's also
where I find statement piece is really helpful because like
you know this jacket, right, I'm actually just wearing a
full black outfit today. Yeah, shirt and jeans.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That makes a statement. It happens you brought in Tokyo.
It says something.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But your comfort, yes exactly, that is my perfect So.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You want to be comfortable, but show that you put
in effort. And so it's that fine line.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It's finding the fine line. I will be uncomfortable if
an event is minus three hours. Yes, that's how long
I can handle it for.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We work in a creative office. Anything you wouldn't wear
to work I used to. I mean, I guess I've
loosened it. A bit, but there was no way I
would ever do a shoe string strap or I wouldn't
do like a short skirt with something that wasn't long
sleeve like I don't know, but that's a bit of
a hangover from being in my forties. But here and
rightfully so, like it is a creative office, but I
do see people in bike shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I wouldn't do active wear personally. I have these little
like sweat set matching from Aram into James, so it's
like kind of like a bit more elevated and like
fun and it's colorful. I also wouldn't go too short,
like I wouldn't do a short short skirt or a
short dress. Not because I don't want to make anyone
else feel uncomfortable, you know, but I'm just like I
can't move around in that, I can't do my thing
(07:58):
in that I'm always going to be a bit self conscious.
But other than that, I don't think I there's no rules.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
When you're shop. Do you mostly look for things that
you can wear to work and outside work?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Last question before bougie and budget. This is so fascinating
to me. Where immediately comes to mind when I say
where do you go shopping? Is it online and is
it in real life? And what stores and what brands online?
One hundred percent only online unless.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's basics and unless I'm going to somewhere like KMA
or Uniclo. Wow. Yeah, I rarely am in the store. Okay,
getting in the store actually stresses me out, like I
start sweating.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Wow. Wait, if you ever have children, you to try
and go with the toddler. And where do you go online?
I mean, I'm sure there's a huge array, but where's
you kind of tried and tested.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I really like the iconic. I love spaces that you
can just find something like they have a lot of
stuff that you can just troll.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Through the website version of a department store.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Absolutely, and then I do like deepop because you can
send offers. The other day I got a pair of
like Elias may heels like Kitten Hills for fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, and I was, okay, this is crease and you
mentioned asous, which yes, a sauce as well chips from Singapore.
Sometimes it's a bit of everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Takes about a week.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, but the good thing is they're on opposite season,
so they're having like a big winter sale right now,
and we're going into winter. Ohli, if I could talk
to you forever. It's very expensive, how wud Let's do
(09:31):
bougie and budget. Yeah, let's start with our budget.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So my budget, speaking of uni clothe and speaking of basics,
is I think I found the best long sleeve basic
white tea. Okay, it's called the uniclo air Ism. Yeah tea.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They're fabric that like it feels nice and soft and cottony,
but if you're sweaty, it's good.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And it has the perfect fit where I like when
shirts don't cling to your hips and they flare out,
not like flare out, but they're loose at the bottom.
They look a bit boxy. Yes, has that perfect boxy fit.
And it comes in like cute little colors. It's like
you've got the classic black and white, but then you've
got baby pink, yellow, all that kind of stuff come
up really nice. Thirty bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh that's good. Oh no, my budget's expensive compared to that.
But he stupa than my bougie. I wonder how you're
gonna feel about this. They're from chic It's called the
Nara pant. I would almost say it is leggings as pants.
So it's a black, high waisted legging.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
God, I know this seems like skinny jeans coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, but yeah, little tiny slip at the ankle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, it's quite like equestrian.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, it's a bit of questrian. It's almost like a
cigarette pant. It's like a tight legging, but dressy. I
would wear that with a very high heel and an
oversized bomber.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's cool. Cool. Yeah, did you wear pants with shoes
attached once?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I did? Yes, it's kind That's why I was in
Paris pretending to not be real me.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, but which is cool.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But your generation don't dep pants like this in general,
like a tight black pant that could be a legging.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
People are trying to bring the skinny jean back. That
is it's whispering, it's happening. I'm not necessarily in there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Are you in a barrel jean?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
No, not into that classically straight leg.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't mind straight leg.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's all I want. Watsibugie my bougie, which is bougie
because of how I got it, but actually quite a
budget price.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That's so good at this game.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I got it in Tokyo, Okay, I went and got
the on a Suker Tiger. Yes, Mexico sixty six is great,
and I went to there. They have this special store
in Ginza, and you can go and get the shoes
embroidered with like little characters so you can do your initials,
you can do like your personalization, personalization. I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh my god, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah. So I got this black and red pair and
then I embroidered it with my age so I can
just remember what I was and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If on a Suker Tigers, mine aren't inscribed or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But but they're cool.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, so they're still cool because you're few years old.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Absolutely, they're still cool that one hundred percent. Maybe one
of the coolest. And there are only one hundred and
forty eight dollars because they're made in Japan. Yeah, but
there are about two hundred bucks here.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But they're a great shoe for someone like me who's
not a huge wear it and I can't do the
big chunkies Solomon hiking. Look, they're nice in the streamline,
they pack well for travel, absolutely lovely. We both agree
with that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They're so light. Yeah, they're really good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
My bougie is something I will never own, but the
cookies follow me everywhere. It is the most beautiful swaye jacket.
We're both into Swede. Before you get too excited, it
is one thousand, four hundred and seventy dollars. It's by
a brand called Noir Hamoi. Oh. It's nice and it's
(12:44):
like a it's like a cropped brown swage trend.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Look great with your pants, I know, but I can't
afford it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I would size up. I think it's a French brand.
It's not fitted fitted.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
No, no, no no, but it folds like it's got
the nice folding of the.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's got okay, I can teach you.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But it's quite cropped. It kind of sits just above
a hip bone. If I was to ever win a
lot of I would size up and get this. It's
just a dream, but I do. You and I twenty
years apart, both loving sways. Yeah, we're both bombers. Vintage
leather bombers are very good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
There's a viral bomber that's going off from Zara at
the moment on TikTok. It's still five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, because they do the premium collection I can't do.
I've been searching deepop. There's some good ones on them.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bombers are great.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Live James, thank you for representing your wonderful generation who
can run because we walked, And I love that we're
trying to put to rest the generational war fashion because
yeah fun, Yes, it's close off fun and we can
live for each other.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Absolutely. Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Having me, thank you for joining me, thank you for
listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to sign
up to the matching newsletter. There's a link in the
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episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production by
Lou Hill.
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the
traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have to do it. You live for fashion?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear Lee Here. Now today,
I've got Live James coming back. Live is twenty five
and runs the social Here Mamma Mia, and she is
so stylish. So we're going to talk two generations, why
we fight about socks and everything in between. Live James
Welcome Back. We were supposed to only do one episode
on our different generations and what we wear, but we
(00:54):
couldn't stop talking, so we have a lot to say.
Turned it into two. So I wanted to get into
some quick fire questions and a bit more of an
interrogation into your style and the generation of people your age.
Do you have a wallet? No? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No? Everything I need is on my phone.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What if your phone dies?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But it doesn't, That's just like not a situation that
I would allow to happen. And I would just go
and ask someone to charge it, or I'd say to my.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Friends, your medicare on your app thing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I've just got the number on my notes.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh good, And your license is because I have a
digital it depends on the safe day.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. But when that didn't happen, I just had a
little thing on the back of my phone that I'd
slip it into. Yeah, like I could romanticize having a wallet,
like opening it up and shaking the goods.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I went from what was a standard sized wallet to
a small wallet. But I still have all my cards,
my medicare, my fly byes. Is that all on your phone?
Your fly eyes?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah? Yeah I did. I just recently got that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Actually, what if someone steals your phone and then you
don't have your What if someone steals your wallet. I've
still got my phone.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, but what if they still both?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well that's happened.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
See, never happened to me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, Well this leads us to the second question, because
this is what happened to me. Handbags. Okay, I don't
see your generation of you guys like having a variety
of handbags or really even carrying a bag. So yeah,
what's going on with handbag? Look?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I actually have quite an interesting perspective on this, right
A handbag to me is an accessory, right, but you
don't necessarily actually need it for your outfit. Maybe when
you go into certain life stages as being like a parent,
you need to carry things for your kids, but we
I don't need a handbag.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, take away going to work because do you leave
your laptop here or get But you so that brunch
with the girlfriends, Yeah you're taking a handbag? Probably not
where's your lip? Bum?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like in my pocket?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Where's your hampon? Sorry? But like, I just find this
so fascinating. You have so few essentials that you feel
no bound to.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Okay, so there is one handbag that I have. It's
like this black little Origin bag that my best friend
got me, and I would probably take that.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And is that versy centtile enough to take you most places? Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It is absolutely the only thing that I have is
with handbags. Every handbag that I love and really really
like admire, like a Fendy bagette, Like I can look
at it and be like, oh my god, I love that.
It's just like out of my tax bracket. Yeah, okay,
I love that, but I have no purpose for it
and I can't afford it, and I just go without yeah,
(03:24):
I don't know if that makes sense. Tishoes not what?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
For a long time, I just put things in my bra.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah I do that sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I do that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you know, you forget handbags like you put them
in your uber or you pass them off to your
friends when you don't want to carry it. Every night
out that I have, my handbag ends up on some
dude's shoulder because I can't be bothered to have it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I wish I could be as free. Do you have
a phone strap?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You just carry it?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Hey wait, keys in the bra?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay? Yeah, heels I feel like, you know, thankfully, due
to lockdown, that was what five years ago. Now, we
haven't really seen the resurgence of huge high stilettos, and
as such, flat shoes have got cooler than ever before. Yeah,
but how do you feel about high heels in general?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I probably quite like the handbag thing, right, They're beautiful,
Like I love when you put a heel on and
then suddenly I'm like strutting down the street like I'm
a ceo of like some kind of company. But I
am a pure creature of comfort. I want to look
put together. But I don't want to feel like I'm
like uncomfortable. Yeah, and he'lls do that, which is why
(04:29):
I resort to the kitten heels.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, like if.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's too high.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
See, that's the wisdom I gained in my forties and
you have that at twenty five. And I do think
that thankfully. You know, for the most part, trends have
gone that way. Yeah, but I just have so many
beautiful pairces of stilettos. I'll never get rid of it
and I'll never wear.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I remember you, like over a year ago about how
in Cosmo it was like you'd wear heels every It.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Was an unspoken rule that you had to wear six
yen cheels. Well, like if you were wearing flats, you weren't.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I could not imagine that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Here. Do you own any high heel? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I do? I have one pair?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Okay, Yeah, this is amazing. I love your generation. What
have you personally and your generation got against no show
anchor socks?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What have you got against showing your socks?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't your generation started it. If I am going
to the gym, it just looks nicer to have the
trainer and a bit of flesh and than your legging
socks will cutting off ee and weird.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I reckon that comes back to the mad days of rules, right,
we don't have that. I love socks, I know, and
I love colored socks. I think we went through that
last time because they can be an added element to
your outfit. They're more fun to have. I'll put my
outfit down every night, and then they'll go through my socks.
I'm okay, which one goes with it?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I approve of your love of socks, but why do
you hate our no show socks?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They feel like sneaky.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Because they're just so functional and not fun.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, they don't even feel functional, like they slide down
your foot.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The uniclow ones don't. But I get what you mean.
There's no joy to them.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, there's not. And it's also a bit like, yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That made me think of another thing I haven't had
any the script about shapewear. Does your generation do.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Shit wear skims?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Because a no show sock is like shape re like
it's purely functional.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is sort of. I guess it comes
down to taste, right, where a shape where has like
a purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So it's easier to get on board with that. Whereas
you're wearing a no show sock because you feel like
it looks better, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It is just a so your feet don't get sweaty
and you don't get blistered. Would you rather be overdressed
or underdressed?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I think that comes back to what I said before.
I want to look like I'm overdressed, but I want
to feel like I'm underdressed, like I really value being comfortable. Yes,
So that's where I draw the line. But that's also
where I find statement piece is really helpful because like
you know this jacket, right, I'm actually just wearing a
full black outfit today. Yeah, shirt and jeans.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That makes a statement. It happens you brought in Tokyo.
It says something.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But your comfort, yes exactly, that is my perfect So.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You want to be comfortable, but show that you put
in effort. And so it's that fine line.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It's finding the fine line. I will be uncomfortable if
an event is minus three hours. Yes, that's how long
I can handle it for.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We work in a creative office. Anything you wouldn't wear
to work I used to. I mean, I guess I've
loosened it. A bit, but there was no way I
would ever do a shoe string strap or I wouldn't
do like a short skirt with something that wasn't long
sleeve like I don't know, but that's a bit of
a hangover from being in my forties. But here and
rightfully so, like it is a creative office, but I
do see people in bike shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I wouldn't do active wear personally. I have these little
like sweat set matching from Aram into James, so it's
like kind of like a bit more elevated and like
fun and it's colorful. I also wouldn't go too short,
like I wouldn't do a short short skirt or a
short dress. Not because I don't want to make anyone
else feel uncomfortable, you know, but I'm just like I
can't move around in that, I can't do my thing
(07:58):
in that I'm always going to be a bit self conscious.
But other than that, I don't think I there's no rules.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
When you're shop. Do you mostly look for things that
you can wear to work and outside work?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Last question before bougie and budget. This is so fascinating
to me. Where immediately comes to mind when I say
where do you go shopping? Is it online and is
it in real life? And what stores and what brands online?
One hundred percent only online unless.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's basics and unless I'm going to somewhere like KMA
or Uniclo. Wow. Yeah, I rarely am in the store. Okay,
getting in the store actually stresses me out, like I
start sweating.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Wow. Wait, if you ever have children, you to try
and go with the toddler. And where do you go online?
I mean, I'm sure there's a huge array, but where's
you kind of tried and tested.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I really like the iconic. I love spaces that you
can just find something like they have a lot of
stuff that you can just troll.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Through the website version of a department store.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Absolutely, and then I do like deepop because you can
send offers. The other day I got a pair of
like Elias may heels like Kitten Hills for fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, and I was, okay, this is crease and you
mentioned asous, which yes, a sauce as well chips from Singapore.
Sometimes it's a bit of everywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Takes about a week.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, but the good thing is they're on opposite season,
so they're having like a big winter sale right now,
and we're going into winter. Ohli, if I could talk
to you forever. It's very expensive, how wud Let's do
(09:31):
bougie and budget. Yeah, let's start with our budget.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So my budget, speaking of uni clothe and speaking of basics,
is I think I found the best long sleeve basic
white tea. Okay, it's called the uniclo air Ism. Yeah tea.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They're fabric that like it feels nice and soft and cottony,
but if you're sweaty, it's good.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And it has the perfect fit where I like when
shirts don't cling to your hips and they flare out,
not like flare out, but they're loose at the bottom.
They look a bit boxy. Yes, has that perfect boxy fit.
And it comes in like cute little colors. It's like
you've got the classic black and white, but then you've
got baby pink, yellow, all that kind of stuff come
up really nice. Thirty bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh that's good. Oh no, my budget's expensive compared to that.
But he stupa than my bougie. I wonder how you're
gonna feel about this. They're from chic It's called the
Nara pant. I would almost say it is leggings as pants.
So it's a black, high waisted legging.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
God, I know this seems like skinny jeans coming back.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, but yeah, little tiny slip at the ankle.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, it's quite like equestrian.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, it's a bit of questrian. It's almost like a
cigarette pant. It's like a tight legging, but dressy. I
would wear that with a very high heel and an
oversized bomber.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's cool. Cool. Yeah, did you wear pants with shoes
attached once?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I did? Yes, it's kind That's why I was in
Paris pretending to not be real me.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, but which is cool.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But your generation don't dep pants like this in general,
like a tight black pant that could be a legging.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
People are trying to bring the skinny jean back. That
is it's whispering, it's happening. I'm not necessarily in there.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Are you in a barrel jean?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
No, not into that classically straight leg.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't mind straight leg.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's all I want. Watsibugie my bougie, which is bougie
because of how I got it, but actually quite a
budget price.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That's so good at this game.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I got it in Tokyo, Okay, I went and got
the on a Suker Tiger. Yes, Mexico sixty six is great,
and I went to there. They have this special store
in Ginza, and you can go and get the shoes
embroidered with like little characters so you can do your initials,
you can do like your personalization, personalization. I love it.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh my god, that's so good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah. So I got this black and red pair and
then I embroidered it with my age so I can
just remember what I was and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If on a Suker Tigers, mine aren't inscribed or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But but they're cool.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, so they're still cool because you're few years old.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Absolutely, they're still cool that one hundred percent. Maybe one
of the coolest. And there are only one hundred and
forty eight dollars because they're made in Japan. Yeah, but
there are about two hundred bucks here.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But they're a great shoe for someone like me who's
not a huge wear it and I can't do the
big chunkies Solomon hiking. Look, they're nice in the streamline,
they pack well for travel, absolutely lovely. We both agree
with that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They're so light. Yeah, they're really good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
My bougie is something I will never own, but the
cookies follow me everywhere. It is the most beautiful swaye jacket.
We're both into Swede. Before you get too excited, it
is one thousand, four hundred and seventy dollars. It's by
a brand called Noir Hamoi. Oh. It's nice and it's
(12:44):
like a it's like a cropped brown swage trend.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Look great with your pants, I know, but I can't
afford it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I would size up. I think it's a French brand.
It's not fitted fitted.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
No, no, no no, but it folds like it's got
the nice folding of the.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's got okay, I can teach you.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But it's quite cropped. It kind of sits just above
a hip bone. If I was to ever win a
lot of I would size up and get this. It's
just a dream, but I do. You and I twenty
years apart, both loving sways. Yeah, we're both bombers. Vintage
leather bombers are very good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
There's a viral bomber that's going off from Zara at
the moment on TikTok. It's still five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, because they do the premium collection I can't do.
I've been searching deepop. There's some good ones on them.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bombers are great.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Live James, thank you for representing your wonderful generation who
can run because we walked, And I love that we're
trying to put to rest the generational war fashion because
yeah fun, Yes, it's close off fun and we can
live for each other.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Absolutely. Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Having me, thank you for joining me, thank you for
listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to sign
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episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production by
Lou Hill.
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