June 24, 2025 • 27 mins
On this weeks episode, Leigh's joined by Bespoke Style Enhancer Grace Lam who has seen it all, styled everyone, and isn't afraid to tell you the truth about your wardrobe! After 25 years working with the biggest names in fashion (including a decade at Vogue China), Grace has landed in Melbourne with some serious opinions about how we dress.
She runs us through her new brand crushes, her thrifting tips and tricks, and find out how a simple sock upgrade can transform your entire look. She's also got the ultimate reality check: most of us can't see what's in our overstuffed wardrobes, so how can we wear it? Grace doesn't follow trends—she creates her own rules.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the
traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh my god, you have.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is
and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, friends, today
we're in for a bit of a treat. If you
(00:52):
are also a listener of the podcast by Hollyweyen right mid,
you'll know the guest we're about to talk to. She's
one of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over
twenty five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking
about the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working
on Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor
(01:13):
in chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and
five she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where
she spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor.
She's style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and
she's collaborated with brands like Door Burbery and Estae Launer.
Grace now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled
(01:36):
styling expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired
by Grace because there's nobs with her. She is completely
honest about fashion. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion
on lots of different things, including the difference between Western
style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active
wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she
(01:57):
buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly,
thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little
bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you
did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to and before
we get into the topic, I ask guests a few questions,
the first of which is can you describe your own
(02:17):
style in three words?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Definitely colorful, edgy and experimental. So that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a
bit experimental, but I love that. Okay, the theory that
we were ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of
the time, so the stuff we reach for more than
the other stuff. What's in your ten percent?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh, I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much.
I have very limited amount because I'm not a sporty person.
Of course, you know, when I go to the gym,
I do have to wear those. When I moved from
Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in
per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never
seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in
(02:58):
one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if
I can have a pound a UK pound for every
pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll
be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is.
You know, they love wearing leasure are out ninety percent
of my stuff. I would say, I am not picky
about fine one item, you know a lot. I have
(03:20):
a lot of mix of everything. So that's how I
like to extern my wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And do you often, you know, reach for those things
and mix and matural. If you're in a rush, you
just grab the stuff you love, or you really try
and make sure you wear everything.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I like to wear everything because I like to create
a character of myself every day. If I can, if
I can be bothered at day, it just gives me
an idea or I planm my outfit the night before.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh,
that's golls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes
and I think I wear maybe thirty percent, but sometimes
I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All Right, We're
going to start with a bit of your career because
that really illustrates you, know what you're doing here on
this podcast. Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to
hear about that. Assisting the editor in chief of British
(04:04):
Folk no big deal. So can you talk to us
about that era of your career.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to
UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then
I ended up living in UK most of my life actually,
and I went to Central St Martins and I diog
graphic designed into a fashion So I did a degree
there and because it was such a well known, you know,
art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers
to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's,
(04:29):
I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the
Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, and being like a
really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know,
I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch
blah blah blah. And he was like, oh, yeah, we'll
see about that. And he liked how I dressed and
he said to me, oh, do you want to become
a stylist because you're very stylish?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And how did you dress back then? Can you describe it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but like
kind of like a sheep grungy. My. You know what,
my mother is color blind. She is the most fierce
dresser I've ever met because she, I mean, can imagine
being color black? And you dressed so colorful every day
since I was young, with all my sisters, we we
(05:16):
idolized her in the way she dressed, and she's just
she has great taste. My dad is opposite my dad
had no taste, so very.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, Okay, were you influenced by her? He hates seeing
you and gone, you're stylist? Do you want to be
a stylist? And so was your answer.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him
what is a stylist? And it's oh, come an intern
for us. So I was like, okay, So I did
internship when I was in my second year St. Martin's
and then met Edward Anningford, who was a passion director
at large, and I mean I knew he was a
big deal. And then you know, I started. I was
as an editoriust system. After I left Martin's. You know,
(05:53):
I did all the shitty jobs, you know. I don't
know how many philtore copy things I did.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant
at a magazine.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
YEP, and then when Edward was looking for a full
time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview,
and then got the job immediately. Let's say, on a
Monday Thursday, he flew me to Milan and we did
a Jill Sounder fashion show.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest
of your life. Then you did a decade as senior
fashion Style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how
I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from
working in Asia, and I've actually never worked in Asia
in my life. I thought I was going to die
in London, marry a brit And now you know, I
have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing.
(06:42):
So it was quite an eye opening experience for me
because I've never worked in Asia and how they do
fashion shows over that is so different back in two
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay,
so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly
on the new course of not so new now but
fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do.
So you've done London, China and you're in Australia, I'm
assuming for family in love.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of
the social unrest and then we left before anyone else
was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we
wanted to leave, and then we arrived in perfcouse Jason
from Perth, it was okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little
bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne, so gosh,
you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess
let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women,
and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations
you noticed between Asian fashion culture and Western fashion culture.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think Asian we talk about women generally, they we
are a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes
we were more youthful the way we style. I mean,
you can be walking in Hong Kong the street or
mainland China. You can see someone from the back, very
very stylish, and you go past them and they could
be sixty five, you know, and that I think they
(08:07):
are more up for challenging them themselves and the way
they dress, and they don't care really what people think.
Of course, there are a lot of people that are
very conservative as well, but people who love fashion in general.
I think the majority of people, especially in Hong Kong,
they are very into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they
get them fashion from the local market stores or like
(08:28):
Zara or h M. You know, they love playing with fashion,
which I find is a bit more different in the
Western world. I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk
about French women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how
to style themselves. You know that, they're very, very created,
but in such an effless way. Yes, I mean, aside
(08:49):
from all the Lulu lemon leggings and things we're talking about,
I think in general, Western women's a little bit more
reserved in the way they dress. We're not talking about
fashion people who go to fashion with because that's like that's.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
My different Yeah, but I think the Lulu lemon, you know,
the active way when we're not being we're not at
the gym, that's it mostly a nussy thing, right, because
you know, when I travel to Paris, my friends that
live there say you cannot wear you're active for unless
you're going directly to the gym and back. So that's
quite Australian.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic
worship only be in two places, the gym and your
dirty laundry basket.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I love that. I love that, and I might not
agree only because I love my leggings to run around
and chase my five year old. But I get it.
I always feel better about myself and my outfit that
day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually
styled the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked
(09:46):
with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all
around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems
that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is
there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout
your career of women coming to you saying help and
what are those problems?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think women in general, and a lot of medlife
women like you know, I'm fifty two and I do
a lot of style in form of life woman who's
going through a perimenopause. They love staying the safe lanes
and they're unwilling to change. So sometimes I'll get women
who contact me, and those are the one who are a
(10:23):
bit more adventurous already, but still when I meet them, they're, oh,
I'm not sure about this, I'm not sure about that.
So it takes a lot of convincing for them to
change theirself or introducing a new way to dress. I
think the mindset is the most challenging to get them
to try new things is a challenge.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's for sure. So yeah, mindset makes sense because it
all sort of starts there, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think
the problem with most people is they stuff the wardrobe
so much that you can't even see what you have.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine.
Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest
of it's too messy. And I can't say it, but I.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Honestly feel you have to hang everything so you can see.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, And I mean I.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Understand that, you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's
got like a five thousand square feet house to only
put your wardrobe in?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah? Yeah, be very organized in your worldro so you can.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
See, yes, And does that include you know, kind of
quite frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer
and winter if you can't fit it all in one spot,
and just being able to see the stuff you do love.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What you can't see, you're not gonna wear. Yeah, that's
a problem. And I have a one in, one out
system when I buy something new or trying to get
rid of something old, anything that's more than two years,
I haven't touched it's got to go.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came
to my house. I need that, But I just I
just am not that person, and at forty three, I
don't think I ever will be. But that's so true.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh you. I think you think you would also do
some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is
so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves
I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or
I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me.
But it's as soon as you tear you stuff you
can't Well, of course you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or
do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes,
don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your
kids or Mum, you look shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But I feel like, and this is please take this
a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is
your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice
to have someone to build up your confidence, but you
also want the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes, at the same time, I think I'm quite a
hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism. But
I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife,
because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working in a body.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore. This is
a new person.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And then you have very low self esteem. So the
last thing you need is someone go, you know what
you look like? Shit on with it?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess yes.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I used
to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist,
so now my new title I gave myself is fashion
style and hanswer because I realized a lot of women
do not like big changes. If you want to wear
your ugly crocs, which is fine, I will just tweak
(13:14):
everything would enhance your look.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, And I guess that way they still keep an
element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere.
But it's more about you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like
that I have friends that you know, there might be
lawyers or you know, have really kind of serious jobs
that aren't around what they wear. But they they don't
have the confidence or they just think it's too hard,
like they have to have this humongous change by a
(13:40):
whole new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket.
What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't
want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay? First of all, I highly recommend to do a
clothing swap with your friends and have a party because
you don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you
look at your friends and I really like the top
or a skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think
that's number one. Number two, if you want to change
your start and you don't know where the fuck to start,
just start with something small. I have all of a
hundred hundred pairs of socks and then mostly from Japan.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
If you want to bring in colors to your outfit,
stuff something small, a jewry or bag or socks, because
there's something smoking to just take off. Yeah, other than
right pink top, right red top, it's not the fly
or like a fun bag or earrings. You know. Jewelry.
I mean, I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry
(14:32):
and it's just easy. It's so easy, just with some
of those accessories.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
First, yeah, okay, you touched on sort of style and shape.
I wanted to ask a bit more about that because
when people say they want to get more confident with
putting outfits together, I always immediately think color. But I'm
not particularly a color person. So how can we kind
of get more confident or have more unique style? I
guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions a
(14:58):
way to get more personal style. If you're not going
to be wearing head to toe orange or pink or yellow, I.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Think the key thing is to get a fisial idea
of what kind of person you want to be there.
So for me, every day I say to myself, what
kind of story you want to tell today? Am I
the oversized outfit grades? Or am I there don't fuck
with me grace today? So which means I'm going to
be more hardcore the way I dress and more like
street style, Or am I going to be feminine grades,
(15:24):
which is a bit more girly. So when you create
a look for yourself, definitely think of a story that
you want to tell today, Okay, Or you go to
online and find some star icon that you like and
just take small elements from them and see whether you
can apply on yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
First, I think you need to practice at home and
deck out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear.
Just write at home, see what other people think, and
can you tweet it? Once you get used to it,
then you go outside the door and you step to
the real world. And also when you try something new,
you have to own it and not be very shy
about it, otherwise you just go back to your old wace.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for?
Where do we go?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's quite overwhelm even for someone like me who's I've
done stript shopping, you know, for all my adult's life,
because where I used to live in notting Hill, we
have Portabello roal market every single weekend, and before I
moved back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage
or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But
(16:29):
you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell
my mom that I buy second endclothes, she fre example,
who died in it?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh my god? I love that. Well, It's true. I mean,
there are lots of different barriers to it. For some people,
they just find it too hard, too overwhelming. You know,
they like going to the Westfield and seeing just all
those pink pants and all the sizes. But I just
think there's such a joy. But it is a skill
or you definitely need time.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh you can't go into any stript shop and be
rushing because it takes so long. I can easily spend
when I go to New York or go back to
London or Paris, I can easily spend in one shop
like three hours.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going
in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But
you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right Like,
you have to just have an open mind.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
One hundred percent, and you need to try everything. You
can't just look at it something and just go put
it back, which a lot of us do. I think
what you need to do is if you are looking
for a particular item, you go to that section, you
pick up something, maybe five things that you would wear yep,
three things. It's not you at all, just to try.
You don't have to buy, just try. See. So once
(17:36):
you start practicing that for every single top, panskirt, dress, jacket,
you will start have a rhythm of how to shop.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That is such a good tip because I guess if
you're going to the regular retail stores, you know, often
the same silhouettes are in every store. But if you
go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to
just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd
love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends,
because I think the Internet and the world is going
faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I
(18:05):
like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but
I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense.
I'll wear something old that I don't care is not
in fashion because I feel good in it. What are
your thoughts on trends?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I am not a trend follower, and that question is
kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like
five to eleven who looks like you know, JUGI HARDI
every day, right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah,
So trends only look good in like if you're like
five to eleven, about five nine, you know, if your
kke mask all that stuff. So for real people like us,
(18:39):
I don't like to tell my clients, oh, you need
to follow this trend in that trend because I don't either.
I love that, and I feel like I would take
elements of the current trend and say do you like
this or not. Let's say, like for winter this season,
like the deep burgundy brown is in. I don't think
I have anything like that because I just think that's
just a dowdy color. I would not buy anything. However,
(19:03):
I did steal my son's uniclo jumper last week and
it's brown.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes, yeah, And people could do the version of that
by going thrifting and maybe looking for an element, but
not you know, having to invest in a whole new,
brand new thing from the story exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And with trends, I feel like nowadays it's always repeating, regurgitating,
like you know, back in the sixties, seven to eighties, nineties,
so nothing is really new. Yes, well, I don't think
you can put a time kept on what you must buy.
The season or the trend is this and that. So
I would suggest for women to buy things that is
(19:39):
more like a capsule collection. You can exchange all with
different seasons, and you can you know, wear one item
in three ways. That's more practical and money saving. It's
(20:00):
very expensive.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
How wonder all right before we do Voosian budgets. Can
you tell us some of your affordable brands right now
that you think everyone should know about? You know, they
can be Australian international.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yes, I mean, since I'm a new bi in Melbourne,
I like to support local talents. So I'm going to
introduce my brand of Melbourne Loaf l o WF is
a super cool unisex which I love, quality street streetwear
and they're very eco conscious search for organic material, recycled material.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, come on, so I've never heard of them.
I'm going to need to check them out.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And then another great brand. I love this brand as well.
It's called the Best Jumpers, So their local brand, designed
in Melbourne and made in Melbourne by the co founder
of Dylan Best, who's half honky, right, you know my people.
So I bought this amazing like wall double breasted suit
(21:00):
jacket and I've been wearing it to death. My son
is like, are you wearing that again? I'm like, yes,
because I look fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, I love it. And that's the point of our wardrobe, right,
We're meant to be wearing things more than a few times.
So they you're bougies, yes, yeah, Okay, I'm going to
give you my boogie, which isn't that boogie, but I'm
trying to keep it realistic for my bank account. I
just thought, because I have to admit, I love the
look of sneakers, but I just don't have much of
an ankle. That's why I hate winter shoes. They're just
(21:26):
hard and I'm lazy, and I love my honest Suker
Tigers from a few years ago. So I bought the
new Mexico sixty six slip on. So they just look
like a sneaker, but you don't have to sit down
or bend down and do up your lasers. And I'm
too creaky and sore and old to do up my lacers.
They are the most comfortable shoes I've ever bought. You
can get a fabric kind of version, like a kind
(21:47):
of canvas or that that might not be warm enough
for Melbourne. They're one sixty, or you can get the
sort of suede leather traditional on a Suker Tiger for
two thirty. I paid and I thought, oh, well, I
wear them enough, and I've They're the only things I'm
wearing in winter because I'm just I'm too lazy. So
They're my bougie. They're worth it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Do you have socks with them?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Depends on I mean, I'm trying to move past being
the ankle sock girl, but I just don't have ankles.
So then if I wear the thicker kind of cool
cruise sock, I don't, it doesn't look great. I normally
wear like quite a long barrel jean that'll be puffed
up a little bit, but still you won't see my ankle,
or like a really wide leg jean. I got some
free people wide leg jeans recently that are like almost
(22:27):
like tents. They're so huge, so you can't even really
see the shoes. But I'm very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh before I forget, I want to give you one
more bougie.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh yes, please, The more the better.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yes, because a lot of my clients actually quite lazy
to go shopping, Yeah, something like prefer online shopping.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I'm nice. So do you know theflow dot com?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
No, but I'm going on there right now.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes. It's founded by a very good friend of mine
who's a kickass woman from Spanish Lupi porter and she
was the head of customer service and shopping for Nata
Porte and mister Porter for over fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But this is like advanced technology that we're talking about.
So I am on it as well as a stylist Creade,
So the stylust can go on and sign up and
create a mood bop just for the client. So if
you come to me, say hey, I want to be
visiting there. So what they do is they source. It's
not like a it's a multi brand. They even have Netaporte, Reezer,
(23:22):
Prada shop of everything on this website.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The client can then purchase from your edit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Except from my mood board? Is that me?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So it's like a Pinterest but for direct shopping.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's so clever, very clever. And then she's won so
many awards. So my latest purchase is the Jaquamu's little
mini bag right orange, the La Bambino. It is so cute.
I mean, I mean I think it was about but
six hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Oh that's good for that brand. And hey, so there's
sale items within this app. Yes, oh what have you
done to me? This is bad news but very good news.
You know, I know what's your budget?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean where do I start? You know? I make
high and low throughout my whole life because I was
well trained by my mother. Fuji Mooji Moodie. How much
do we love Moojie.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I love Moodie, but I normally just go and buy
the little trinkets for my beauty staff. The cool shape
link rollers I have. Don't think I've ever looked at
their fashion what no I know?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh my goodness. So because Melbourne is so damn cold,
I actually don't have enough jumpers, so of course actually
know what. Moujie was the biggest pool for me to
convince my eleven year old son to move to Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I love that. What a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Because he's a huge numatic about stationaries.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm not the pays Yes, Muji.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Socks, as I said, socks is very cool. Ranges from
two dollars to ten dollars. So if you want to
start your sock journey, go to Muji by. They have
loads of playing cool colors like pay like bright colors,
very cheap. Two dollars to ten I think they have
right now. Oh gosh, that's like a really thick wool
jumper for ninety nine dollars. But it's very warm and
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it will last river.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, the quality is phenomenal. It isn't. Everything they do
is so impeccable in terms of quality.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, if you want to go to buy more soft
happy socks, always good you company ninety dollars Prepare if
you do it, buy a bundo of sixty nine. Okay,
well Man does a lot of fun socks, really cute
nine dollars to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, okay, I'm going to get into socks. You've inspired me. Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I can also Pare, the brand that makes underwear tracks
of Oh yes, so they so. I The reason I
know about them because I came off of Christmas and
I saw this and then they they had this underwear
that is very see through and it's perfect for trouble.
You just wash them in your hair dry them. Oh wow, amazing.
I've bought like I don't know, and they come in
little like liftick Cube, which is so cute. Oh that's
(25:47):
so cool to thirty six. A bundle is forty seven.
They're on sell right now, so go and check them out.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Oh my gosh, you were in the right job, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Those are like my go to and also obviously op Shop.
I love op shops.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to live near one, and
thankfully more and more online platforms, not just that kind
of high end. We're kind of getting a bit of
everything everywhere. I'll quickly give you my badget. Ever, I
think for this winter is kind of cool. Chunky, really
big scarves. I think it's the best winter update. I mean,
depending where you live. But even if you've got your
old trench on over your Lululemons, you'll hate that, but
you're running to pick up chucking on just a really
(26:22):
big scarf just looks kind of cool. It's you know,
remember that photo of Lenny Rabat's from a dead It
was basically wearing a king size knitted blanket. But they're
everywhere and they're really affordable. My one that I love
at the moment is the Uniclo jw Anderson heat Tech.
It comes in a gray of brown or a navy.
That's a limited edition though, but they've got some really big,
kind of great chunky ones. I'm sure Moodie probably has
(26:44):
a beautiful chunky knit. They're kind of everywhere, they're affordable,
and you just chuck it on. And because most people
see you from here up, they think, oh, she's putting
some effort, and they're not noticing the leggings.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, yes, I think chunky is the way forward.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, Grace, you're a legend. You weren't anywhere near as
scary as I thought you might be. I love chatting
to you, and I'm gonna keep you posted on my
sock journey.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Unless we're resting pictures for you people, I love it
until you piss me off.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You're wonderful. I can't wait to have you back. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Thank you so much. Go shopping people, I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh my god, you have.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is
and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, friends, today
we're in for a bit of a treat. If you
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are also a listener of the podcast by Hollyweyen right mid,
you'll know the guest we're about to talk to. She's
one of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over
twenty five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking
about the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working
on Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor
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in chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and
five she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where
she spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor.
She's style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and
she's collaborated with brands like Door Burbery and Estae Launer.
Grace now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled
(01:36):
styling expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired
by Grace because there's nobs with her. She is completely
honest about fashion. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion
on lots of different things, including the difference between Western
style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active
wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she
(01:57):
buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly,
thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little
bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you
did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to and before
we get into the topic, I ask guests a few questions,
the first of which is can you describe your own
(02:17):
style in three words?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Definitely colorful, edgy and experimental. So that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a
bit experimental, but I love that. Okay, the theory that
we were ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of
the time, so the stuff we reach for more than
the other stuff. What's in your ten percent?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh, I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much.
I have very limited amount because I'm not a sporty person.
Of course, you know, when I go to the gym,
I do have to wear those. When I moved from
Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in
per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never
seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in
(02:58):
one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if
I can have a pound a UK pound for every
pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll
be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is.
You know, they love wearing leasure are out ninety percent
of my stuff. I would say, I am not picky
about fine one item, you know a lot. I have
(03:20):
a lot of mix of everything. So that's how I
like to extern my wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And do you often, you know, reach for those things
and mix and matural. If you're in a rush, you
just grab the stuff you love, or you really try
and make sure you wear everything.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I like to wear everything because I like to create
a character of myself every day. If I can, if
I can be bothered at day, it just gives me
an idea or I planm my outfit the night before.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh,
that's golls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes
and I think I wear maybe thirty percent, but sometimes
I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All Right, We're
going to start with a bit of your career because
that really illustrates you, know what you're doing here on
this podcast. Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to
hear about that. Assisting the editor in chief of British
(04:04):
Folk no big deal. So can you talk to us
about that era of your career.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to
UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then
I ended up living in UK most of my life actually,
and I went to Central St Martins and I diog
graphic designed into a fashion So I did a degree
there and because it was such a well known, you know,
art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers
to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's,
(04:29):
I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the
Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, and being like a
really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know,
I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch
blah blah blah. And he was like, oh, yeah, we'll
see about that. And he liked how I dressed and
he said to me, oh, do you want to become
a stylist because you're very stylish?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And how did you dress back then? Can you describe it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but like
kind of like a sheep grungy. My. You know what,
my mother is color blind. She is the most fierce
dresser I've ever met because she, I mean, can imagine
being color black? And you dressed so colorful every day
since I was young, with all my sisters, we we
(05:16):
idolized her in the way she dressed, and she's just
she has great taste. My dad is opposite my dad
had no taste, so very.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, Okay, were you influenced by her? He hates seeing
you and gone, you're stylist? Do you want to be
a stylist? And so was your answer.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him
what is a stylist? And it's oh, come an intern
for us. So I was like, okay, So I did
internship when I was in my second year St. Martin's
and then met Edward Anningford, who was a passion director
at large, and I mean I knew he was a
big deal. And then you know, I started. I was
as an editoriust system. After I left Martin's. You know,
(05:53):
I did all the shitty jobs, you know. I don't
know how many philtore copy things I did.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant
at a magazine.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
YEP, and then when Edward was looking for a full
time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview,
and then got the job immediately. Let's say, on a
Monday Thursday, he flew me to Milan and we did
a Jill Sounder fashion show.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest
of your life. Then you did a decade as senior
fashion Style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how
I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from
working in Asia, and I've actually never worked in Asia
in my life. I thought I was going to die
in London, marry a brit And now you know, I
have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing.
(06:42):
So it was quite an eye opening experience for me
because I've never worked in Asia and how they do
fashion shows over that is so different back in two
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay,
so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly
on the new course of not so new now but
fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do.
So you've done London, China and you're in Australia, I'm
assuming for family in love.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of
the social unrest and then we left before anyone else
was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we
wanted to leave, and then we arrived in perfcouse Jason
from Perth, it was okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little
bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne, so gosh,
you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess
let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women,
and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations
you noticed between Asian fashion culture and Western fashion culture.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think Asian we talk about women generally, they we
are a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes
we were more youthful the way we style. I mean,
you can be walking in Hong Kong the street or
mainland China. You can see someone from the back, very
very stylish, and you go past them and they could
be sixty five, you know, and that I think they
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are more up for challenging them themselves and the way
they dress, and they don't care really what people think.
Of course, there are a lot of people that are
very conservative as well, but people who love fashion in general.
I think the majority of people, especially in Hong Kong,
they are very into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they
get them fashion from the local market stores or like
(08:28):
Zara or h M. You know, they love playing with fashion,
which I find is a bit more different in the
Western world. I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk
about French women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how
to style themselves. You know that, they're very, very created,
but in such an effless way. Yes, I mean, aside
(08:49):
from all the Lulu lemon leggings and things we're talking about,
I think in general, Western women's a little bit more
reserved in the way they dress. We're not talking about
fashion people who go to fashion with because that's like that's.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
My different Yeah, but I think the Lulu lemon, you know,
the active way when we're not being we're not at
the gym, that's it mostly a nussy thing, right, because
you know, when I travel to Paris, my friends that
live there say you cannot wear you're active for unless
you're going directly to the gym and back. So that's
quite Australian.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic
worship only be in two places, the gym and your
dirty laundry basket.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I love that. I love that, and I might not
agree only because I love my leggings to run around
and chase my five year old. But I get it.
I always feel better about myself and my outfit that
day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually
styled the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked
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with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all
around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems
that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is
there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout
your career of women coming to you saying help and
what are those problems?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think women in general, and a lot of medlife
women like you know, I'm fifty two and I do
a lot of style in form of life woman who's
going through a perimenopause. They love staying the safe lanes
and they're unwilling to change. So sometimes I'll get women
who contact me, and those are the one who are a
(10:23):
bit more adventurous already, but still when I meet them, they're, oh,
I'm not sure about this, I'm not sure about that.
So it takes a lot of convincing for them to
change theirself or introducing a new way to dress. I
think the mindset is the most challenging to get them
to try new things is a challenge.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's for sure. So yeah, mindset makes sense because it
all sort of starts there, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think
the problem with most people is they stuff the wardrobe
so much that you can't even see what you have.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine.
Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest
of it's too messy. And I can't say it, but I.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Honestly feel you have to hang everything so you can see.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, And I mean I.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Understand that, you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's
got like a five thousand square feet house to only
put your wardrobe in?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah? Yeah, be very organized in your worldro so you can.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
See, yes, And does that include you know, kind of
quite frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer
and winter if you can't fit it all in one spot,
and just being able to see the stuff you do love.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What you can't see, you're not gonna wear. Yeah, that's
a problem. And I have a one in, one out
system when I buy something new or trying to get
rid of something old, anything that's more than two years,
I haven't touched it's got to go.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came
to my house. I need that, But I just I
just am not that person, and at forty three, I
don't think I ever will be. But that's so true.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh you. I think you think you would also do
some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is
so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves
I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or
I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me.
But it's as soon as you tear you stuff you
can't Well, of course you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or
do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes,
don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your
kids or Mum, you look shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But I feel like, and this is please take this
a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is
your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice
to have someone to build up your confidence, but you
also want the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes, at the same time, I think I'm quite a
hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism. But
I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife,
because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working in a body.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore. This is
a new person.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And then you have very low self esteem. So the
last thing you need is someone go, you know what
you look like? Shit on with it?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess yes.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I used
to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist,
so now my new title I gave myself is fashion
style and hanswer because I realized a lot of women
do not like big changes. If you want to wear
your ugly crocs, which is fine, I will just tweak
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everything would enhance your look.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, And I guess that way they still keep an
element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere.
But it's more about you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like
that I have friends that you know, there might be
lawyers or you know, have really kind of serious jobs
that aren't around what they wear. But they they don't
have the confidence or they just think it's too hard,
like they have to have this humongous change by a
(13:40):
whole new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket.
What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't
want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay? First of all, I highly recommend to do a
clothing swap with your friends and have a party because
you don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you
look at your friends and I really like the top
or a skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think
that's number one. Number two, if you want to change
your start and you don't know where the fuck to start,
just start with something small. I have all of a
hundred hundred pairs of socks and then mostly from Japan.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
If you want to bring in colors to your outfit,
stuff something small, a jewry or bag or socks, because
there's something smoking to just take off. Yeah, other than
right pink top, right red top, it's not the fly
or like a fun bag or earrings. You know. Jewelry.
I mean, I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry
(14:32):
and it's just easy. It's so easy, just with some
of those accessories.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
First, yeah, okay, you touched on sort of style and shape.
I wanted to ask a bit more about that because
when people say they want to get more confident with
putting outfits together, I always immediately think color. But I'm
not particularly a color person. So how can we kind
of get more confident or have more unique style? I
guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions a
(14:58):
way to get more personal style. If you're not going
to be wearing head to toe orange or pink or yellow, I.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Think the key thing is to get a fisial idea
of what kind of person you want to be there.
So for me, every day I say to myself, what
kind of story you want to tell today? Am I
the oversized outfit grades? Or am I there don't fuck
with me grace today? So which means I'm going to
be more hardcore the way I dress and more like
street style, Or am I going to be feminine grades,
(15:24):
which is a bit more girly. So when you create
a look for yourself, definitely think of a story that
you want to tell today, Okay, Or you go to
online and find some star icon that you like and
just take small elements from them and see whether you
can apply on yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
First, I think you need to practice at home and
deck out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear.
Just write at home, see what other people think, and
can you tweet it? Once you get used to it,
then you go outside the door and you step to
the real world. And also when you try something new,
you have to own it and not be very shy
about it, otherwise you just go back to your old wace.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for?
Where do we go?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's quite overwhelm even for someone like me who's I've
done stript shopping, you know, for all my adult's life,
because where I used to live in notting Hill, we
have Portabello roal market every single weekend, and before I
moved back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage
or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But
(16:29):
you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell
my mom that I buy second endclothes, she fre example,
who died in it?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh my god? I love that. Well, It's true. I mean,
there are lots of different barriers to it. For some people,
they just find it too hard, too overwhelming. You know,
they like going to the Westfield and seeing just all
those pink pants and all the sizes. But I just
think there's such a joy. But it is a skill
or you definitely need time.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh you can't go into any stript shop and be
rushing because it takes so long. I can easily spend
when I go to New York or go back to
London or Paris, I can easily spend in one shop
like three hours.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going
in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But
you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right Like,
you have to just have an open mind.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
One hundred percent, and you need to try everything. You
can't just look at it something and just go put
it back, which a lot of us do. I think
what you need to do is if you are looking
for a particular item, you go to that section, you
pick up something, maybe five things that you would wear yep,
three things. It's not you at all, just to try.
You don't have to buy, just try. See. So once
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you start practicing that for every single top, panskirt, dress, jacket,
you will start have a rhythm of how to shop.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That is such a good tip because I guess if
you're going to the regular retail stores, you know, often
the same silhouettes are in every store. But if you
go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to
just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd
love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends,
because I think the Internet and the world is going
faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I
(18:05):
like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but
I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense.
I'll wear something old that I don't care is not
in fashion because I feel good in it. What are
your thoughts on trends?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I am not a trend follower, and that question is
kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like
five to eleven who looks like you know, JUGI HARDI
every day, right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah,
So trends only look good in like if you're like
five to eleven, about five nine, you know, if your
kke mask all that stuff. So for real people like us,
(18:39):
I don't like to tell my clients, oh, you need
to follow this trend in that trend because I don't either.
I love that, and I feel like I would take
elements of the current trend and say do you like
this or not. Let's say, like for winter this season,
like the deep burgundy brown is in. I don't think
I have anything like that because I just think that's
just a dowdy color. I would not buy anything. However,
(19:03):
I did steal my son's uniclo jumper last week and
it's brown.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yes, yeah, And people could do the version of that
by going thrifting and maybe looking for an element, but
not you know, having to invest in a whole new,
brand new thing from the story exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And with trends, I feel like nowadays it's always repeating, regurgitating,
like you know, back in the sixties, seven to eighties, nineties,
so nothing is really new. Yes, well, I don't think
you can put a time kept on what you must buy.
The season or the trend is this and that. So
I would suggest for women to buy things that is
(19:39):
more like a capsule collection. You can exchange all with
different seasons, and you can you know, wear one item
in three ways. That's more practical and money saving. It's
(20:00):
very expensive.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
How wonder all right before we do Voosian budgets. Can
you tell us some of your affordable brands right now
that you think everyone should know about? You know, they
can be Australian international.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yes, I mean, since I'm a new bi in Melbourne,
I like to support local talents. So I'm going to
introduce my brand of Melbourne Loaf l o WF is
a super cool unisex which I love, quality street streetwear
and they're very eco conscious search for organic material, recycled material.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, come on, so I've never heard of them.
I'm going to need to check them out.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And then another great brand. I love this brand as well.
It's called the Best Jumpers, So their local brand, designed
in Melbourne and made in Melbourne by the co founder
of Dylan Best, who's half honky, right, you know my people.
So I bought this amazing like wall double breasted suit
(21:00):
jacket and I've been wearing it to death. My son
is like, are you wearing that again? I'm like, yes,
because I look fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, I love it. And that's the point of our wardrobe, right,
We're meant to be wearing things more than a few times.
So they you're bougies, yes, yeah, Okay, I'm going to
give you my boogie, which isn't that boogie, but I'm
trying to keep it realistic for my bank account. I
just thought, because I have to admit, I love the
look of sneakers, but I just don't have much of
an ankle. That's why I hate winter shoes. They're just
(21:26):
hard and I'm lazy, and I love my honest Suker
Tigers from a few years ago. So I bought the
new Mexico sixty six slip on. So they just look
like a sneaker, but you don't have to sit down
or bend down and do up your lasers. And I'm
too creaky and sore and old to do up my lacers.
They are the most comfortable shoes I've ever bought. You
can get a fabric kind of version, like a kind
(21:47):
of canvas or that that might not be warm enough
for Melbourne. They're one sixty, or you can get the
sort of suede leather traditional on a Suker Tiger for
two thirty. I paid and I thought, oh, well, I
wear them enough, and I've They're the only things I'm
wearing in winter because I'm just I'm too lazy. So
They're my bougie. They're worth it.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Do you have socks with them?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Depends on I mean, I'm trying to move past being
the ankle sock girl, but I just don't have ankles.
So then if I wear the thicker kind of cool
cruise sock, I don't, it doesn't look great. I normally
wear like quite a long barrel jean that'll be puffed
up a little bit, but still you won't see my ankle,
or like a really wide leg jean. I got some
free people wide leg jeans recently that are like almost
(22:27):
like tents. They're so huge, so you can't even really
see the shoes. But I'm very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh before I forget, I want to give you one
more bougie.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh yes, please, The more the better.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yes, because a lot of my clients actually quite lazy
to go shopping, Yeah, something like prefer online shopping.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I'm nice. So do you know theflow dot com?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
No, but I'm going on there right now.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes. It's founded by a very good friend of mine
who's a kickass woman from Spanish Lupi porter and she
was the head of customer service and shopping for Nata
Porte and mister Porter for over fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But this is like advanced technology that we're talking about.
So I am on it as well as a stylist Creade,
So the stylust can go on and sign up and
create a mood bop just for the client. So if
you come to me, say hey, I want to be
visiting there. So what they do is they source. It's
not like a it's a multi brand. They even have Netaporte, Reezer,
(23:22):
Prada shop of everything on this website.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The client can then purchase from your edit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Except from my mood board? Is that me?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So it's like a Pinterest but for direct shopping.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's so clever, very clever. And then she's won so
many awards. So my latest purchase is the Jaquamu's little
mini bag right orange, the La Bambino. It is so cute.
I mean, I mean I think it was about but
six hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Oh that's good for that brand. And hey, so there's
sale items within this app. Yes, oh what have you
done to me? This is bad news but very good news.
You know, I know what's your budget?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean where do I start? You know? I make
high and low throughout my whole life because I was
well trained by my mother. Fuji Mooji Moodie. How much
do we love Moojie.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I love Moodie, but I normally just go and buy
the little trinkets for my beauty staff. The cool shape
link rollers I have. Don't think I've ever looked at
their fashion what no I know?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh my goodness. So because Melbourne is so damn cold,
I actually don't have enough jumpers, so of course actually
know what. Moujie was the biggest pool for me to
convince my eleven year old son to move to Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I love that. What a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Because he's a huge numatic about stationaries.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm not the pays Yes, Muji.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Socks, as I said, socks is very cool. Ranges from
two dollars to ten dollars. So if you want to
start your sock journey, go to Muji by. They have
loads of playing cool colors like pay like bright colors,
very cheap. Two dollars to ten I think they have
right now. Oh gosh, that's like a really thick wool
jumper for ninety nine dollars. But it's very warm and
(25:04):
it will last river.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, the quality is phenomenal. It isn't. Everything they do
is so impeccable in terms of quality.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, if you want to go to buy more soft
happy socks, always good you company ninety dollars Prepare if
you do it, buy a bundo of sixty nine. Okay,
well Man does a lot of fun socks, really cute
nine dollars to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, okay, I'm going to get into socks. You've inspired me. Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I can also Pare, the brand that makes underwear tracks
of Oh yes, so they so. I The reason I
know about them because I came off of Christmas and
I saw this and then they they had this underwear
that is very see through and it's perfect for trouble.
You just wash them in your hair dry them. Oh wow, amazing.
I've bought like I don't know, and they come in
little like liftick Cube, which is so cute. Oh that's
(25:47):
so cool to thirty six. A bundle is forty seven.
They're on sell right now, so go and check them out.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Oh my gosh, you were in the right job, my friend.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Those are like my go to and also obviously op Shop.
I love op shops.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to live near one, and
thankfully more and more online platforms, not just that kind
of high end. We're kind of getting a bit of
everything everywhere. I'll quickly give you my badget. Ever, I
think for this winter is kind of cool. Chunky, really
big scarves. I think it's the best winter update. I mean,
depending where you live. But even if you've got your
old trench on over your Lululemons, you'll hate that, but
you're running to pick up chucking on just a really
(26:22):
big scarf just looks kind of cool. It's you know,
remember that photo of Lenny Rabat's from a dead It
was basically wearing a king size knitted blanket. But they're
everywhere and they're really affordable. My one that I love
at the moment is the Uniclo jw Anderson heat Tech.
It comes in a gray of brown or a navy.
That's a limited edition though, but they've got some really big,
kind of great chunky ones. I'm sure Moodie probably has
(26:44):
a beautiful chunky knit. They're kind of everywhere, they're affordable,
and you just chuck it on. And because most people
see you from here up, they think, oh, she's putting
some effort, and they're not noticing the leggings.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, yes, I think chunky is the way forward.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, Grace, you're a legend. You weren't anywhere near as
scary as I thought you might be. I love chatting
to you, and I'm gonna keep you posted on my
sock journey.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Unless we're resting pictures for you people, I love it
until you piss me off.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You're wonderful. I can't wait to have you back. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Thank you so much. Go shopping people, I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't
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Nothing to Wear Pod. See you next week. This episode
was produced by Ella Maitland, with audio production by Lou
Hill and video production by Marlena Cacciotti.
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