July 1, 2025 • 31 mins
New financial year, new us! Leigh's back with the brilliant Kim Crowley (seriously, she's so organised it's almost suspicious) helping you get your wardrobe sorted without breaking the bank.
Kim tells us why most of us can buy clothes but can't create outfits and lets us in on her revolutionary 4x4 shopping method that multiplies your outfit options without multiplying your spending. She's also got the ultimate wardrobe audit process to help us make sure we're doing the most we can to find new homes for the clothes we don't love anymore.
Plus, Mia Freedman drops in for a bonus chat about mastering the pre-loved fashion game—perfect for anyone ready to refresh this financial new year without the splurge.
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Kim's Budget: Assembly Label Sadie Coat $280
Leigh's Budget: Target Premium Suede Leather Bucket Tote Bag - Khaki $80
Kim's Boujie: Camilla and Marc Donato Coat $1100
Leigh's Boujie: Oroton Mica Workmanship Small Bowler $899
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disserved.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to
do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello and welcome for Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm Lee Camberllan.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Every week I chat to an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
you already own and tells us what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, before I get started,
stick around to the very end, because there's an extra
segment on this episode, The Wonder for Me of Freedman
and I don't just say that because she's my boss,
is coming to sit down with me and we're going
to talk about pre Loved. It's the new financial year.
(01:00):
We might have overspent, we might want to just save
some money, or we might just want some unique outfits
or to clear out our wardrobes. So we're going to
talk about pre Loved buying and selling to do it?
Where to look if it's overwhelming. We're going to cover
it all. But first, I've got Kim Crowley joining me.
She's been on the show a couple of times before,
and she is a virgo. I had to ask her
(01:20):
because she's so clever and strategic when it comes to shopping,
getting dressed and saving money. So it's a new financial year.
You might have blown the budget, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's a new year.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're going to talk about saving money, doing a
wardrobe audit, and then her very interesting four by four
methods got nothing to do with cars, So let's jump
into it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Kim, welcome back. I'm so excited. This is your third time?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is that a fourth? Yes, it's great that I'm using
count I love it exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That means we love you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The returning guests, well, I've got various questions, but one
that I want to ask you is do you have
a fashion security blanket? And if so, what is it?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's a great question. My trench coat is a really
well loved piece. Actually put it from ced A. Just
go it to toffee color cotton. I get compliments on
it every time.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I wear You say toffee, Why I say toffee? Like
not ten not brown?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Because I love food as well, so I can associate
any colors with food. I love it even more. But
it's this beautiful toffee color. It's really rich color and
it goes with everything. I have to actually stop myself
wearing it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So you can wear your other things exactly because.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I want to wear more of my clothes.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's security blank.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, it is a bit security blank it, especially at
the moment it's chilly and you can wrap yourself up
because that cotton actually does help the wind not get
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's not waterproof or wind proof,
but it really does that kind much better. Tighten fine fiber, yes, exactly,
really tightly woven, so it's actually a bit protective. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And then light waiting it where.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I'm just living in it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I know it's winter, but god, I love it even
for the summer. I love like waiting it where too.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So, Kim, you've been in the industry for over twenty years,
which is bizarre. You must have been like eleven when
you start. Of course you worked as a designer, so
anyone that's listened to the show before will know that.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And then for brands like H and M. A source yeah,
I was gonna say age and m and I didn't
know that I'm as.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, yeah, right at the beginning when A soos was
literally much more about Paris Hilton. Yes, yeah, just literally
replicate like I've.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Seen screen, yeah, magazine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's crazy thinking about then and how much it's evolved.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But then you also work with real people, so well,
you have all shapes and sizes absolutely, So what are
some of the common things women that you've worked with
over the decades and all walks of live share when
it comes to clothes and style.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh gosh, so many things that we all share. It's funny,
there's this kind of like, so many things that we
all share, and then when we get deeper, we're very
different in lots of different ways, but there is a big,
big area that we all share. A lot of it
is not knowing how to shop, so being able to
understand how to you know, shop strategically, not emotionally. But
(04:02):
one of the biggest biggest things then, aren't you and
it is you know, we have to change the way
that we've been behaving for decades, and that's what I'm
trying to plant seeds for a lot of my clients
but one of the biggest, biggest things is the ability
to buy stuff but not put the clothes into outfits.
(04:23):
That's one of the biggest things that I deal with
all the time. So lots of people can buy lots
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, oh god, I'm fabulous that it shopping wrong. Then
that's where you can't get dressed.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Exactly because you haven't got the outfit. So the whole
nothing to wear concept is, you know, you look at
your wardrobe and it's stacked, and it's all packed, but
we've got nothing to wear is often because we haven't
found the outfit yet. And that's so much of what
brings me do. It really does light me up when
I'm in wardrobes. In fact, I had two of them yesterday.
I had a female client and male client and they're like,
(04:55):
I've got loads of stuff, but I can't find the outfits.
And I'm like, oh, have you done that? Have you
done that?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, because a lot of us will get say a dress,
and then we'll put it with the black blades and
black shoe and it's like, I've done that. Look, I'm
really bored of it, I know. And then I'm like,
how have you put it? With this blazer. They work perfect. Oh, yes,
because a lot of the time what we do when
we purchase we put things in boxes in our heads.
You know that lighter blazer is a wedding blazer and
this dress is a sexy date night dress. Yes, we
(05:22):
don't think that the two can coexist or pair together,
and so I want to be able to go in
and go. Of course it does, because I don't see
the barriers. I don't see like how you think that
your wardrobe fresh eye. I'm like, ah, this goes with this,
This goes with this, this goes with this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Because you said it's how to shop, so is how
do we fix that problem at the shopping stage so
it doesn't happen in the wardrobe stage.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That is a lot of it is fixed by my
four by four formula.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh, we're going to talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh okay, cool, Yes, I want to talk about that
later because I'm terrible at maths and you love numbers,
but you're going to teach me something. It's a new
financial year, which I love. The first of julight, Oh,
you know, the start of the new financial year. Because
I've had quite.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
A crappy start to the year.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Not fashion related, but I'm just gonna I'm like, you
know what happier year, fresh energy, fresh, vibe, fresh everything, yep.
And you know, of course it's the financial year, so
we've all got money on our minds. What's the biggest
money mistake you see people making when it comes to fashion?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So many well we talk about how we're going to
fix them.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So three main ones. First one is buying on sale,
so many can't say, oh, I bought this, but I've
never worn it. Bought this, but it's you know, I
haven't worn it, and it's all got tickets, and it's
all got cel tickets being Red Mark, you know, stamps
all over them.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
In all the rest of it sale extra discount y, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Which sounds really enticing, but is not how I want
you to shop. You know, if you really love that
product and you've watched it go down.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Down, you would have got it full price.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Exactly, jump on it. But nothing is a bargain if
you don't wear it. And you know, having like three
or four pieces that oh I only cost thirty bucks
or fifteen or forty or whatever your budget, it all
adds up, but you never wear it, so it takes
up space, takes up brain space, makes us feel guilty,
takes up guilt exactly. And I don't want people to
feel good. I want to actually have less that they
(07:06):
wear more. So the whole buying on sale thing is
not I it's I know it's hard. Sometimes we look
around storm like, oh my god, I really tell me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You don't shop the sales.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I only shop it if I really love it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So maybe you were already across. Yeah, if you love
that brand and you check out their sale, you don't
just find a random website that s having a great
sale with random stuff you've never seen.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, No, So to Cuba, I've got beautiful pleated cream nitpants.
I was looking for something like that. I happened to
be shopping for myself, which is quite rare, and they're
not on sale, and I was like, oh, I'm definitely
going to buy them.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Okay because there, Yes, that star was already something you
were seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely. The other thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I need more.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Here is the buying three for two. You know, those
whole spend and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Save only good for andy.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's just capitalism, yes, exactly. Yeah, it's just capitalism. They're
trying to make you buy more. So we often think
shopping is a numbers game, or if I buy three,
that's going to make me happy, then if I had two.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, Also that I fall into this chap all the
time of free shipping, I'm like, I've got to find
something else free, but I don't really.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Need the other thing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, I should have just paid the ten dollars, yeah,
rather than trying to round up to forty.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So it is really keeping your eye on how desirable
the item is that you want and buying one and
buying right, rather than buying plenty and buying so.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
One of the mistakes you see is people buy more
than they need, more than they need. Yeah, Kim, stop
following me everywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And then the third thing is thinking we need five
new tops when really we need one new top that
we can wear five ways. Because you know, I could
talk about shopping being a numbers game. The number I
want you to care about is how many ways you
can wear something? Yeah, yes, exactly. Rather than having all
those five new items in your wardrobe, you're probably only
(08:51):
gonna wear two. If you've got one that's really versatile,
it flatters, you feel really good in it, layers under things,
you can marry on its own. You don't need to exactly.
You can wear it five ways, So you know, I
want people to start pivoting the numbers game. The way
that we think shopping is about buying lots of stuff
because hopefull one of it will make us feel good. Yeah,
(09:11):
that's just capitalism.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think it feels like we will feel better when
we've got options, but then we oftentimes feel overwhelmed and
it makes it harder exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And that's actually something I was talking about the other day.
My clients feel really underwhelmed with their wardrobe, overwhelmed by
the shops. Yeah, and it's like I feel, and that's
when we feel start.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's such a good way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So I just don't know what I do. I just
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Exactly because we haven't found the outfit yet that exists
in our wardrobe. Because this is the thing, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
A desire because oftentimes I'm just shopping because I'm bored
or said or getting my period or I'm rewarding my.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yes, yes, but that's when you need to buy lipstick
or something like that. Yeah, yes, facial something else will
that will have that return on investment, because that's what
I want people to think about when they're purchasing. What's
my return on investment? Every textile you bring into your house,
think about the return and investment that cost per weear?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so, and the financially, it has just happened. We've
ordered it all of our maybe the tax department has
ordered it us. So we've done our finances. So let's
order our wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What do we do?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We go through our wardrobe and we work out, you know,
what we already do have, and we work out gaps.
And for me, this is something I really need to
do because I've spoken to you before. I love to
buy duplicates because I love a genre shirt and I
accidentally buy another one.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I don't need another one. So we're going to do
an audit of our wardrobe and then we're going to
decide what to do with those things later. But what's
our process when doing that audit? I love saying audit, yes,
because it's.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The end fin that sounds very freshal So what we
want to do. So basically, when we're looking at our
wardrobe and we're deciding what we're wearing, a really good
way to do it is to actually look at the
things that you're wearing the most, So they're the things
that you're washing the most, right, and you bring them out.
Good way to do it, yeah, because you know that.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You're yeh, yeah, you know you love it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, And so we're and also you know what part
of the reason I do insta, as I've talked before,
is because I want to just be able to look
back at really what I'm wearing. Sometimes what you think
you're wearing, what you really wear a slightly different, but
you put them all out in your bed and then
what you do because when we put things in our
wardrobe and they're all side hanging, it's kind of hard.
We think we know what's in there, and we think
we know what it looks like. But actually I want
(11:24):
you to bring them out because out of those pieces
that you're wearing, you're probably only wearing like very formulaic outfits.
So you might wear one top with one bottom, this
top with this bottom, this top with this bottom.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, because it's in your head.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Exactly because we know the outfit is familiar, and we
go back to what we know. You know, we've got
that kind of photographic memory. I want you to wear
that top with that bottom. So I want you to
wear like outfit top number.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Three, wear them at least just try it on and.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
See how the experiment.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, so you doing dress up absolutely the audit absolutely
kind of order because that text apartment, and that's my
kind of order.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It makes the text department a little bit more interesting.
But what I find fascinating, and what I didn't realize
at the time, is that we buy things and put
them in our wardrobes, right, and we expect our wardrobes
to work really hard for us and to give all
this stuff back to us. As you know, I've bought this,
I've spent two hundred dollars on the top. Now it's
time to you know, to stop reaping the fit exactly
and get some return on investment. But we don't actually
(12:18):
then invest the time to play with that garment. We
buy it, we wear it one way, and we're like, okay,
I'm on the next thing. It's so true, and I
want you to go deeper on that garment because there's
so much potential in your wardrobe. There really is, but
we need to give our wardrobe time to be able
to release that potential. It's not going to jump out
and bite you on the bum. You have to go.
And it's not necessary hard work, it's playful.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Literally take it down exactly, and you have to take
down the barriers that you've put in. You know, I
go back to that jacket that it's like colored. Oh yeah,
that's my wedding one, and then this is my work
can and whatnot, and then we start combining them.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like these are a body yellow and like a few
people have said to me to say like, oh, I
can't you cold, And I'm like, well no, because I
think it's a summary.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Base yes, and then yes, yeah yeah, yah, way, I'd
be like yellow exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, and you've put your jacket over it exactly. But
how do you not just spend a little bit of
time doing that. You would have put that top underneath
and that pan in your summer only wardrobe, and we
put barriers up, and I want to knock all those
barriers down. And by pulling things out on your bed
a lot of time, the outfits make themselves. Yeah, because
if you've got a style, which we all have, we
(13:25):
have all got personal style, and we've all got a
type that we like and a kind of look. So
once we put out our favorite pieces on our bed,
the ones that are on rotation, there's naturally going to
be some common denominators that make them go together.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And maybe not immediately logical outfits that. Yes, that's where
they're like, yes, work comes in.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's a really good point. We always want to take
away the logic.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, like the wrong shoe theory, but for your
fact exactly all right, So we've done the audit. Our
happy colths are having a party on the bed. Then
there's the clothes who have had a lovely life maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But they're not going to make the party. You're not invited. Ye,
what are we doing with them?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So we are either because basically we don't want to
ever throw clothes away. It's either you try and sell it,
and this is in the right kind of order, so
you try and sell it and make some money to
recycle that money into your Extperkay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I want to ask, can I break them down there? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I've got things that I are in my cell
pie or that could be a coach bag or an
oriiton bag or could be god, I've even got some
fancy of things.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But then I've got your maybe dish or it's just
I've got such a mix of things. I don't know
where to sell.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What or like what's valuable? Yeah, because it's so personal.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, so sometime and that's it. In you only need
one buyer. It's just getting to them, is it. So
it's either going to places like you know, pre loved
and consignment and all those care.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Places like your designer Like I've got one designer bag.
I feel so guilty about buying, but I never use it,
so I'd like to read.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah. Yeah, and as long as you learn a few lessons,
but why you don't wear it and use it, then
you've learned the lesson from it and you can set
it free.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And sing with exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So it's either consignment or might be on you know,
the specific Facebook groups that you can sell it. There's
lots of different ways to to sell it. You can
just sell it on marketplace, you know, best collector all different.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Places, eBay, depop exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Exactly there are there are and it might just be
having a little bit of research to the type of
brands that seem to sell quite well and that they've
got you know, maybe not many listed on that actually
might go quicker for example, that's kind of quite good
to look at. If you can't sell it and make money,
then give it to a friend, friend gift, or you
swap it with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I was going to say, I've had some friends starting
to do little swaps and a little swap parties.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Or great because it gives you life to that's all
we want to do, because it takes such a takes
such a lot of work when I've been designing to
to get a textile into the world and make it beautiful.
So to me, I look, I think of the long
life cycle of that garment, not just the wearing part
for the person one. I'm like, what you're going to
do after the next thing is you if you don't
(16:12):
give it to a friend or swap it, then you
give it to charity, donating so many in a fashion
forward dress for success. There's so many great ones out
there that really do amazing things to women.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
For They're here in Bondai, but there are Instagram.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, last week actually oh did you then?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Love?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Tell you what I got? But it's all for charity.
It helps children.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, I needed to drop off to the match.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We'll go to day and I'll buy your things and
give them money to charity, but they really give vinis your.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Exactly and you can't take dirty things to them. They're
not going to accept it. So all of that goes
to rags. Anything it's really dirty, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Think kids, daycare clothes and like stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's all that. Wash your car with it, clean the house,
clean kitchen, you know, use that wash it, chuck it
in with a wash and then and then keep using it.
Because they're textiles, they would just want to be reused
and used. So if we think.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
About it, really trying to avoid landfillm absolutely because.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Someone else can get joy from it, and if they can't,
it goes to rags.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, I love that. All right, I've kept everyone waiting
long enough. We need to talk about you. Four by four.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It sounds like a big truck that would fit my
wardrobe dinner? Is that what it is? What's the four
x four theory methods?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
The four by four is basically right. So I have
obviously lots of clients that will buy four new pieces
and I'm like, cool, have you you know go around
their house when.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Need say that, like in the one like season day.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Totally depends on the clients. Some people might buy four
pieces in a month, okay, some people might buy four
over the season. Totally depends on shopping habits, budget, all
those things they've got, four they've got. If they've got
four recent things, a lot of time, I'm like, okay, cool,
because so have you worn them together? Like oh no,
And I'm like, well have you tried one? Oh no,
I just bought them randomly separately, and I can never
like outfitting them. So my whole thing is, if ever
(17:50):
you buy four pieces to say, two tops, two bottoms,
I want you to not just create one outfit from
that or two outfits. So each time goes for the bottom,
we need to cross pollinate it. So for every four
items we can wear, four outfits we can create.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
This is the process we go through before we purchase.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
At the time of the purpose.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It has to like go through this four by four
before it's allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To be out.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Absolutely absolutely, it's very hard. It's not okay, it's not
I've had my eye on this bomber. Let's pretend how
do I fall by four it in my head?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So you make sure that the pant you want to
buy next, yeah, is going.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
To go with it, or the skirt or the dress. Okay,
so it can be a dress and bought the bomber.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Now I see a skirt and I'm like, hang on,
bombers new will skirt get along with bomber exactly?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And are they going to be friends?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's so clever because even if it's beyond the four,
you should think of your recent purchases and will at work,
will at work, will at.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Work exactly, because I want every four pieces you buy,
say's two tops and two bottoms to cross pollin eate. Okay,
so you've got the four outfits going across, and then
what happens is you do those outfits and then you
look at them back with what you've bought last year, yeah,
ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And it kind of inspires the process.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Absolutely because you're always thinking about the outfit, not the item.
And this is the thing. This, while I go back
to the shopping, isn't numbers game. It's the numbers game,
is also about the outfits you're creating, not the items
you're purchasing. Because again, the whole numbers game, the capitalism
part of you know, I'm going to go and buy
ten items and I know that will make me happy.
It doesn't It doesn't so really thinking about the outcome
(19:21):
of the outfit.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Okay, so said skirt, I've just said, oh, yes,
it goes with barmer, and it goes with that, and
then I go, oh that top, So then I go
oh that top, Yes, that goes with skirt, which also
goes with bomber, and then it's kind of exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And from that one top you can still create four outfits.
So we've always got to think about, you know, because
otherwise we're just buying items on their own in silo
and we're never thinking really about the outfit. It's like, oh,
what's the outfit? I can work with a gene or
a black pant. That's not enough. So for every four items,
we need four outfits. And the compound interest it's not
it's not. I mean, it does take a bit of thought,
(19:53):
and that's what I want people to do. I want
you to be considered and intentional about what they're purchasing.
But the great thing is the compound interest means that
once you then do those four you bought four items,
you created four outfits. Okay, then when you're buying another
four later in the season next year, the compound interest
means that you might double the amount you're buying, but
(20:14):
you've tripled the amount of outfits because they're like breeding exactly.
So the compound interest effect means that you've actually got
way way more outfits from way less clothes. And fundamentally,
that's what I delibut.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
How wordre.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay on to bougie and budget. I mean, we've probably.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Should have done two budgets because we're talking about saving
money and getting more out of your clothes. However, I've
bought a bougie. Let's start with your budget though, what's
your budget?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And why my budget is the assembly label coat. It's
Cesadi coat. It's currently on sale from two eighty to
about one nine five am.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm not allowed to shop the sales cam. I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That is such a classic, so classic, you know, the
one that belted lots of colors. So some colors are
on sale, some aren't. And it's one hundred percent wall
and that's a really good.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And that's the best thing to buy on sales. It's
a staple quality.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That you're going to wear for saily.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Discounted, but it's saving you a bit of money on
something you will like flog to death and I'm absolutely approved. Okay,
my budget is a Target bag. I don't know if
you've seen. They've been out for a little bit now.
The Target swayed one hundred collection of bags. So if
I first got some loafers at the start of winter,
real Sway, I got the black ones. They're like wearing slippers.
(21:45):
There's also a tan and then the bag.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'm not getting it because it's a new financial u
and I'm trying to save money and I actually need
to sell some of my bags.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But before you replace them.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Correct, If I was in the market for a bag
and it could go back with my fourth fife four,
I would be getting. There's a few of them. Actually
they've got like a big slapsy bo hoo. But this
one's the premium Swayed leather bucket tote bag in khaki. Yeah,
that's eighty dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's really good and I love how that's quite structured
but also a bit slouchy. It's like lots of people's style.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I don't even work for them, but I'm just so impressed,
Like they do the bow hoy slouchy shoulder.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh is that in this way too? It's that little
gold class. Oh that's impressive. That's impressive.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Not for me because I'm but other people.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Other people in the market, just saying it would go
really nice with your out.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You've gone today, all right, what else if you got
for me? What's your boogie?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
My bougie is Comla Mark because they do really really
good outwear. Trenches and jackets and coats are really they're unparallel. Yeah,
so they're Donato coats one one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't think. Oh so it's a worn Yeah, what
called like a tidy coat.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, it's very similar to the assembly label. And the
reason I like them a lot is because they're not
too dressing gown ish.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Sometimes I had a short collar. They've got dressing gown
fabric thingy. That's yeah sometimes and obviously you can put
a nice structured belt on. It looks really cool if
you're going, if you're dressing it up, etcetera. Purposing. But
the Donato coat is augeous.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Because that's because we're such good people. We've got an
amazing tax return and we're treating ourselves.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And again that will be really timeless, but it's interesting
because that's not one hundred percent well it's woolen poly
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, it depends because some of my natural synthetic blends.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We're the best.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, good, I'm glad you're bougie. Was bougie because
my bougi is quite bousy. Okay, okay, so we're being.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A good girl. This isn't me. But someone needs to
invest because we're talking about saving money and shopping on
a budget, but also we're talking about purchasing things will watable.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Thing investment absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I mean I could not love Oriton anymore. In the
last few years, they have just had the biggest go up.
This is already sold out but coming back. But I'm
just going to tell people about it so it's on
their radar. It is the Mica workmanship small bowler like
it's a bowler bag, which means like, but this is
the small the mini. The mini is quite small. The
bowler is like, like, that's that's her everyday handbag. Yes,
(24:10):
you could fit your laptop. I would probably have a
separate bag from my laptop. But this is my everything
as in like glasses, you know, bottle Yes, yeah, zip
I love something the fully zip shut because I throw
it in the car.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Everything falls out. I love the black.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's eight hundred and ninety nine dollars and already sold out.
So what does that tell you? Yeah, And like we
were talking before we started recording, I've got a green
Oriton bag. I bought from the Origin outlet online. If
you're not across the Oriton outlet online, where have you
been all your life? It's online maybe five or six
years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And I use it a lot, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And that's it. You want to think about the frequency?
Am I going to wear this daily? Week yere, monthly?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I bought that full price?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I didn't, so it was a good sale purpose yes, yes, yes,
okay Kim?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So when are you coming over tomorrow? Okay, thank you
so much for coming back. Love having you pleasure. So
as I promised, the show is not over yet. I
love how Kim.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Talked us through the process of auditing our wardrobe and
then what we're going to do with it. So she
touched on pre loved and reselling. So I've found Miya
in the studio here and we're going to talk about
reselling and also buying secondhand because it's very cool right now,
me Friedman, Hello, Hi, I wanted to bring you onto
the show and bring you back to talk about pre
(25:26):
loved fashion because he noticed we talked about a year
ago about thrifting. Have you noticed the boom of pre loved?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes? And it's now a flex when you ask someone.
It's so funny because back in our magazine days, it
used to be where's that from? And it used to
be a flex if it was a label, yes, and
then it was a flex if it wasn't a label, yes,
but it looked like a label. And now it's a
flex if it's shrifted, yeah, if it's pre loved or
(25:52):
second man, it says not only am I sustainable and
I'm helping the planet, but also I'm clever and I've
put in the work. Yes, and I've got something maybe individual,
and no one can copy it, and I've saved somewhere. Okay,
So I've brought you across to the well. It's not
the dark sign anymore. That's six months ago. I was
looking through a lot of my clothes and I used
(26:13):
to sell some of my stuff. I'd go through my
stuff a lot, so I'm not sentimental about my clothes.
You do a regular clean out, I do, and I
give away a lot. I donate a lot, and that
there are some things that I would sell in various
places consignment shops. Yeah, but I sort of stopped doing
that and I things have been banking up and I
was looking at all of it and just going, I
(26:33):
really want to do something good with this stuff, and
so give it to me. Well, I wanted to sell
it and raise money for Rise Up. So Rise Up
is the charity that we support. I'm an ambassador for them,
and they help women and children start again after domestic violence.
They helped set up homes and they don't take pre
loved stuff, so we support them with money, and I
(26:54):
wanted to find new homes for my clothes. I don't
know if you watch Toy Story. I think it was
the second toy story, the Psycholonaemy. So do you know
how there was that thing about the toys just wanted
to be played with. Yes, I feel that way about clothes.
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I've got suitcases and suitcases of stuff I want
to sell. Yeah, but I haven't. I can't set up
a market stall. I'm too old, and it's too early
in the morning, and it's too crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, I agree, So what I did is eBay contacted
me and said, would you like to do a store
with eBay? And I'm like, I used to do stores
with abab all the time when I was showing all
the time. I also shop on eBay all the time,
and I will often find buy new things a lot
of people don't know ye so by new things on
eBay too. So now building this store, what's amazing now
(27:39):
is that there's all this technology on eBay like AI
and stuff that helps you list items. Yes, if people
haven't been on lately, it is so different and so
intuitive and so phenomenal, it's a lot easier much. Yeah,
I've just really enjoyed the process. I like thinking about
people being able to wear these things in their own
wardrobus or I've had so much joy from them. But
(28:01):
maybe that don't fit me anymore. Maybe they're just not
my style.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And that's what I was going to ask, how you
decided what to culp? What's your filter for it's time
to sell on eb and give it? Yeah, it's the
toy that I'll be played with by someone else.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. So, like a lot of people, I sort of
have clothes stored all over the house in bits of
other people. I don't know it's all over that normal.
It's just maybe you and me, maybe you're and me.
And what I do is I will give something a
two year grace period because sometimes things come back and
it's like this year, I just took out all my
winter coats and winter stuff and I tried it all on,
(28:36):
and some of it. I was like, I'm going to
give this one more year. And if I'm a made yeah,
because I didn't wear it last year, I don't want
to wear it this year. If I get to another
year and I haven't worn it, it's going yeah. And
then other things you're like, oh, this feels right for now, Yes,
you know that feeling. And then if it's like no,
I'm not waiting, then it's in the eBay pile. Oh
my god, I'm going to go on eBay and shop
(28:56):
your things? Is that weird? If I buy your things
and then we sit next to each other. I have
already bought one of my friends because as we were
laying it all out to photograph, I'd put all these
things aside and I'd wash them and made sure that
they were in good condition. And this was about two
months ago, and then we were photographing them all to
put up, and so I was making some content and
I put them all down and there were these pair
of fluorescent pink essential Antwerp trainers. Oh great, I mean
(29:21):
I was like, yes, chunky, and I'm like, why am
I getting rid of those? I need to take them back?
And then I felt bad. I'm like, I'm not taking
money for so I bought them for like one hundred
dollars myself.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh my god, I love that. So they ended up equivalent,
and that's much more efficient. The eBay thing is I
have the bags in the boot my boot for months,
and then the whole season will change. Like I had
a bunch of winter stuff. This is how bad I
am that. Then it got cold again and I was like,
I'm freezing. I was at some soccer game or something
and went to the back of my car opened their
bags and I was like, oh, I quite like that
(29:50):
because it had been there for a year. But had
I got my act together they listed it on eBay,
someone would have been wearing it for that year rather
than yeah, stinky boot.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah. And you can feel a little bit claustrophobic, like when.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know, I feel like I'm drowning, and so I
don't know what to wear because there's too much to
think about.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
So there's always someone who's going to want what you
you don't want any more. So it's like freeing its
future to find a new home, and it's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
A different kind of joy. Like I love walking into
Westfield and buying something from a mass chain store.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Of course I do.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
But when it's oh, it's the hunt, it's the hunt,
and then it's just sometimes the human interaction.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I got a cardigan the other day that I brought
an eBay. I wrote to her and I said, Hey,
I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We're like, yes, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Know, it was like a village transaction back in the day,
but these two happy women. I bought it, she sold it,
and the cardigan's living its best life.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, thanks for having me, love you.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
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Hello and welcome for Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm Lee Camberllan.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Every week I chat to an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
you already own and tells us what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, before I get started,
stick around to the very end, because there's an extra
segment on this episode, The Wonder for Me of Freedman
and I don't just say that because she's my boss,
is coming to sit down with me and we're going
to talk about pre Loved. It's the new financial year.
(01:00):
We might have overspent, we might want to just save
some money, or we might just want some unique outfits
or to clear out our wardrobes. So we're going to
talk about pre Loved buying and selling to do it?
Where to look if it's overwhelming. We're going to cover
it all. But first, I've got Kim Crowley joining me.
She's been on the show a couple of times before,
and she is a virgo. I had to ask her
(01:20):
because she's so clever and strategic when it comes to shopping,
getting dressed and saving money. So it's a new financial year.
You might have blown the budget, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's a new year.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're going to talk about saving money, doing a
wardrobe audit, and then her very interesting four by four
methods got nothing to do with cars, So let's jump
into it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Kim, welcome back. I'm so excited. This is your third time?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is that a fourth? Yes, it's great that I'm using
count I love it exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That means we love you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The returning guests, well, I've got various questions, but one
that I want to ask you is do you have
a fashion security blanket? And if so, what is it?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's a great question. My trench coat is a really
well loved piece. Actually put it from ced A. Just
go it to toffee color cotton. I get compliments on
it every time.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I wear You say toffee, Why I say toffee? Like
not ten not brown?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Because I love food as well, so I can associate
any colors with food. I love it even more. But
it's this beautiful toffee color. It's really rich color and
it goes with everything. I have to actually stop myself
wearing it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So you can wear your other things exactly because.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I want to wear more of my clothes.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's security blank.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, it is a bit security blank it, especially at
the moment it's chilly and you can wrap yourself up
because that cotton actually does help the wind not get
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's not waterproof or wind proof,
but it really does that kind much better. Tighten fine fiber, yes, exactly,
really tightly woven, so it's actually a bit protective. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And then light waiting it where.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I'm just living in it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I know it's winter, but god, I love it even
for the summer. I love like waiting it where too.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So, Kim, you've been in the industry for over twenty years,
which is bizarre. You must have been like eleven when
you start. Of course you worked as a designer, so
anyone that's listened to the show before will know that.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And then for brands like H and M. A source yeah,
I was gonna say age and m and I didn't
know that I'm as.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, yeah, right at the beginning when A soos was
literally much more about Paris Hilton. Yes, yeah, just literally
replicate like I've.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Seen screen, yeah, magazine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's crazy thinking about then and how much it's evolved.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But then you also work with real people, so well,
you have all shapes and sizes absolutely, So what are
some of the common things women that you've worked with
over the decades and all walks of live share when
it comes to clothes and style.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh gosh, so many things that we all share. It's funny,
there's this kind of like, so many things that we
all share, and then when we get deeper, we're very
different in lots of different ways, but there is a big,
big area that we all share. A lot of it
is not knowing how to shop, so being able to
understand how to you know, shop strategically, not emotionally. But
(04:02):
one of the biggest biggest things then, aren't you and
it is you know, we have to change the way
that we've been behaving for decades, and that's what I'm
trying to plant seeds for a lot of my clients
but one of the biggest, biggest things is the ability
to buy stuff but not put the clothes into outfits.
(04:23):
That's one of the biggest things that I deal with
all the time. So lots of people can buy lots
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, oh god, I'm fabulous that it shopping wrong. Then
that's where you can't get dressed.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Exactly because you haven't got the outfit. So the whole
nothing to wear concept is, you know, you look at
your wardrobe and it's stacked, and it's all packed, but
we've got nothing to wear is often because we haven't
found the outfit yet. And that's so much of what
brings me do. It really does light me up when
I'm in wardrobes. In fact, I had two of them yesterday.
I had a female client and male client and they're like,
(04:55):
I've got loads of stuff, but I can't find the outfits.
And I'm like, oh, have you done that? Have you
done that?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, because a lot of us will get say a dress,
and then we'll put it with the black blades and
black shoe and it's like, I've done that. Look, I'm
really bored of it, I know. And then I'm like,
how have you put it? With this blazer. They work perfect. Oh, yes,
because a lot of the time what we do when
we purchase we put things in boxes in our heads.
You know that lighter blazer is a wedding blazer and
this dress is a sexy date night dress. Yes, we
(05:22):
don't think that the two can coexist or pair together,
and so I want to be able to go in
and go. Of course it does, because I don't see
the barriers. I don't see like how you think that
your wardrobe fresh eye. I'm like, ah, this goes with this,
This goes with this, this goes with this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Because you said it's how to shop, so is how
do we fix that problem at the shopping stage so
it doesn't happen in the wardrobe stage.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That is a lot of it is fixed by my
four by four formula.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh, we're going to talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh okay, cool, Yes, I want to talk about that
later because I'm terrible at maths and you love numbers,
but you're going to teach me something. It's a new
financial year, which I love. The first of julight, Oh,
you know, the start of the new financial year. Because
I've had quite.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
A crappy start to the year.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Not fashion related, but I'm just gonna I'm like, you
know what happier year, fresh energy, fresh, vibe, fresh everything, yep.
And you know, of course it's the financial year, so
we've all got money on our minds. What's the biggest
money mistake you see people making when it comes to fashion?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So many well we talk about how we're going to
fix them.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So three main ones. First one is buying on sale,
so many can't say, oh, I bought this, but I've
never worn it. Bought this, but it's you know, I
haven't worn it, and it's all got tickets, and it's
all got cel tickets being Red Mark, you know, stamps
all over them.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
In all the rest of it sale extra discount y, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Which sounds really enticing, but is not how I want
you to shop. You know, if you really love that
product and you've watched it go down.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Down, you would have got it full price.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Exactly, jump on it. But nothing is a bargain if
you don't wear it. And you know, having like three
or four pieces that oh I only cost thirty bucks
or fifteen or forty or whatever your budget, it all
adds up, but you never wear it, so it takes
up space, takes up brain space, makes us feel guilty,
takes up guilt exactly. And I don't want people to
feel good. I want to actually have less that they
(07:06):
wear more. So the whole buying on sale thing is
not I it's I know it's hard. Sometimes we look
around storm like, oh my god, I really tell me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You don't shop the sales.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I only shop it if I really love it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So maybe you were already across. Yeah, if you love
that brand and you check out their sale, you don't
just find a random website that s having a great
sale with random stuff you've never seen.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, No, So to Cuba, I've got beautiful pleated cream nitpants.
I was looking for something like that. I happened to
be shopping for myself, which is quite rare, and they're
not on sale, and I was like, oh, I'm definitely
going to buy them.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Okay because there, Yes, that star was already something you
were seeing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely. The other thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I need more.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Here is the buying three for two. You know, those
whole spend and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Save only good for andy.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's just capitalism, yes, exactly. Yeah, it's just capitalism. They're
trying to make you buy more. So we often think
shopping is a numbers game, or if I buy three,
that's going to make me happy, then if I had two.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, Also that I fall into this chap all the
time of free shipping, I'm like, I've got to find
something else free, but I don't really.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Need the other thing.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, I should have just paid the ten dollars, yeah,
rather than trying to round up to forty.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So it is really keeping your eye on how desirable
the item is that you want and buying one and
buying right, rather than buying plenty and buying so.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
One of the mistakes you see is people buy more
than they need, more than they need. Yeah, Kim, stop
following me everywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And then the third thing is thinking we need five
new tops when really we need one new top that
we can wear five ways. Because you know, I could
talk about shopping being a numbers game. The number I
want you to care about is how many ways you
can wear something? Yeah, yes, exactly. Rather than having all
those five new items in your wardrobe, you're probably only
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gonna wear two. If you've got one that's really versatile,
it flatters, you feel really good in it, layers under things,
you can marry on its own. You don't need to exactly.
You can wear it five ways, So you know, I
want people to start pivoting the numbers game. The way
that we think shopping is about buying lots of stuff
because hopefull one of it will make us feel good. Yeah,
(09:11):
that's just capitalism.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think it feels like we will feel better when
we've got options, but then we oftentimes feel overwhelmed and
it makes it harder exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And that's actually something I was talking about the other day.
My clients feel really underwhelmed with their wardrobe, overwhelmed by
the shops. Yeah, and it's like I feel, and that's
when we feel start.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's such a good way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So I just don't know what I do. I just
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Exactly because we haven't found the outfit yet that exists
in our wardrobe. Because this is the thing, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
A desire because oftentimes I'm just shopping because I'm bored
or said or getting my period or I'm rewarding my.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yes, yes, but that's when you need to buy lipstick
or something like that. Yeah, yes, facial something else will
that will have that return on investment, because that's what
I want people to think about when they're purchasing. What's
my return on investment? Every textile you bring into your house,
think about the return and investment that cost per weear?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so, and the financially, it has just happened. We've
ordered it all of our maybe the tax department has
ordered it us. So we've done our finances. So let's
order our wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What do we do?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We go through our wardrobe and we work out, you know,
what we already do have, and we work out gaps.
And for me, this is something I really need to
do because I've spoken to you before. I love to
buy duplicates because I love a genre shirt and I
accidentally buy another one.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I don't need another one. So we're going to do
an audit of our wardrobe and then we're going to
decide what to do with those things later. But what's
our process when doing that audit? I love saying audit, yes,
because it's.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The end fin that sounds very freshal So what we
want to do. So basically, when we're looking at our
wardrobe and we're deciding what we're wearing, a really good
way to do it is to actually look at the
things that you're wearing the most, So they're the things
that you're washing the most, right, and you bring them out.
Good way to do it, yeah, because you know that.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You're yeh, yeah, you know you love it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, And so we're and also you know what part
of the reason I do insta, as I've talked before,
is because I want to just be able to look
back at really what I'm wearing. Sometimes what you think
you're wearing, what you really wear a slightly different, but
you put them all out in your bed and then
what you do because when we put things in our
wardrobe and they're all side hanging, it's kind of hard.
We think we know what's in there, and we think
we know what it looks like. But actually I want
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you to bring them out because out of those pieces
that you're wearing, you're probably only wearing like very formulaic outfits.
So you might wear one top with one bottom, this
top with this bottom, this top with this bottom.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, because it's in your head.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Exactly because we know the outfit is familiar, and we
go back to what we know. You know, we've got
that kind of photographic memory. I want you to wear
that top with that bottom. So I want you to
wear like outfit top number.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Three, wear them at least just try it on and.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
See how the experiment.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, so you doing dress up absolutely the audit absolutely
kind of order because that text apartment, and that's my
kind of order.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It makes the text department a little bit more interesting.
But what I find fascinating, and what I didn't realize
at the time, is that we buy things and put
them in our wardrobes, right, and we expect our wardrobes
to work really hard for us and to give all
this stuff back to us. As you know, I've bought this,
I've spent two hundred dollars on the top. Now it's
time to you know, to stop reaping the fit exactly
and get some return on investment. But we don't actually
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then invest the time to play with that garment. We
buy it, we wear it one way, and we're like, okay,
I'm on the next thing. It's so true, and I
want you to go deeper on that garment because there's
so much potential in your wardrobe. There really is, but
we need to give our wardrobe time to be able
to release that potential. It's not going to jump out
and bite you on the bum. You have to go.
And it's not necessary hard work, it's playful.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Literally take it down exactly, and you have to take
down the barriers that you've put in. You know, I
go back to that jacket that it's like colored. Oh yeah,
that's my wedding one, and then this is my work
can and whatnot, and then we start combining them.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like these are a body yellow and like a few
people have said to me to say like, oh, I
can't you cold, And I'm like, well no, because I
think it's a summary.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Base yes, and then yes, yeah yeah, yah, way, I'd
be like yellow exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, and you've put your jacket over it exactly. But
how do you not just spend a little bit of
time doing that. You would have put that top underneath
and that pan in your summer only wardrobe, and we
put barriers up, and I want to knock all those
barriers down. And by pulling things out on your bed
a lot of time, the outfits make themselves. Yeah, because
if you've got a style, which we all have, we
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have all got personal style, and we've all got a
type that we like and a kind of look. So
once we put out our favorite pieces on our bed,
the ones that are on rotation, there's naturally going to
be some common denominators that make them go together.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And maybe not immediately logical outfits that. Yes, that's where
they're like, yes, work comes in.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's a really good point. We always want to take
away the logic.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, like the wrong shoe theory, but for your
fact exactly all right, So we've done the audit. Our
happy colths are having a party on the bed. Then
there's the clothes who have had a lovely life maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But they're not going to make the party. You're not invited. Ye,
what are we doing with them?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So we are either because basically we don't want to
ever throw clothes away. It's either you try and sell it,
and this is in the right kind of order, so
you try and sell it and make some money to
recycle that money into your Extperkay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I want to ask, can I break them down there? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I've got things that I are in my cell
pie or that could be a coach bag or an
oriiton bag or could be god, I've even got some
fancy of things.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But then I've got your maybe dish or it's just
I've got such a mix of things. I don't know
where to sell.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What or like what's valuable? Yeah, because it's so personal.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, so sometime and that's it. In you only need
one buyer. It's just getting to them, is it. So
it's either going to places like you know, pre loved
and consignment and all those care.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Places like your designer Like I've got one designer bag.
I feel so guilty about buying, but I never use it,
so I'd like to read.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah. Yeah, and as long as you learn a few lessons,
but why you don't wear it and use it, then
you've learned the lesson from it and you can set
it free.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And sing with exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So it's either consignment or might be on you know,
the specific Facebook groups that you can sell it. There's
lots of different ways to to sell it. You can
just sell it on marketplace, you know, best collector all different.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Places, eBay, depop exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Exactly there are there are and it might just be
having a little bit of research to the type of
brands that seem to sell quite well and that they've
got you know, maybe not many listed on that actually
might go quicker for example, that's kind of quite good
to look at. If you can't sell it and make money,
then give it to a friend, friend gift, or you
swap it with a friend.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I was going to say, I've had some friends starting
to do little swaps and a little swap parties.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Or great because it gives you life to that's all
we want to do, because it takes such a takes
such a lot of work when I've been designing to
to get a textile into the world and make it beautiful.
So to me, I look, I think of the long
life cycle of that garment, not just the wearing part
for the person one. I'm like, what you're going to
do after the next thing is you if you don't
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give it to a friend or swap it, then you
give it to charity, donating so many in a fashion
forward dress for success. There's so many great ones out
there that really do amazing things to women.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
For They're here in Bondai, but there are Instagram.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, last week actually oh did you then?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Love?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Tell you what I got? But it's all for charity.
It helps children.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, I needed to drop off to the match.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We'll go to day and I'll buy your things and
give them money to charity, but they really give vinis your.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Exactly and you can't take dirty things to them. They're
not going to accept it. So all of that goes
to rags. Anything it's really dirty, and I.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Think kids, daycare clothes and like stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's all that. Wash your car with it, clean the house,
clean kitchen, you know, use that wash it, chuck it
in with a wash and then and then keep using it.
Because they're textiles, they would just want to be reused
and used. So if we think.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
About it, really trying to avoid landfillm absolutely because.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Someone else can get joy from it, and if they can't,
it goes to rags.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, I love that. All right, I've kept everyone waiting
long enough. We need to talk about you. Four by four.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It sounds like a big truck that would fit my
wardrobe dinner? Is that what it is? What's the four
x four theory methods?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
The four by four is basically right. So I have
obviously lots of clients that will buy four new pieces
and I'm like, cool, have you you know go around
their house when.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Need say that, like in the one like season day.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Totally depends on the clients. Some people might buy four
pieces in a month, okay, some people might buy four
over the season. Totally depends on shopping habits, budget, all
those things they've got, four they've got. If they've got
four recent things, a lot of time, I'm like, okay, cool,
because so have you worn them together? Like oh no,
And I'm like, well have you tried one? Oh no,
I just bought them randomly separately, and I can never
like outfitting them. So my whole thing is, if ever
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you buy four pieces to say, two tops, two bottoms,
I want you to not just create one outfit from
that or two outfits. So each time goes for the bottom,
we need to cross pollinate it. So for every four
items we can wear, four outfits we can create.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
This is the process we go through before we purchase.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
At the time of the purpose.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
It has to like go through this four by four
before it's allowed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To be out.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Absolutely absolutely, it's very hard. It's not okay, it's not
I've had my eye on this bomber. Let's pretend how
do I fall by four it in my head?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So you make sure that the pant you want to
buy next, yeah, is going.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
To go with it, or the skirt or the dress. Okay,
so it can be a dress and bought the bomber.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Now I see a skirt and I'm like, hang on,
bombers new will skirt get along with bomber exactly?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And are they going to be friends?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's so clever because even if it's beyond the four,
you should think of your recent purchases and will at work,
will at work, will at.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Work exactly, because I want every four pieces you buy,
say's two tops and two bottoms to cross pollin eate. Okay,
so you've got the four outfits going across, and then
what happens is you do those outfits and then you
look at them back with what you've bought last year, yeah,
ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And it kind of inspires the process.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Absolutely because you're always thinking about the outfit, not the item.
And this is the thing. This, while I go back
to the shopping, isn't numbers game. It's the numbers game,
is also about the outfits you're creating, not the items
you're purchasing. Because again, the whole numbers game, the capitalism
part of you know, I'm going to go and buy
ten items and I know that will make me happy.
It doesn't It doesn't so really thinking about the outcome
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of the outfit.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Okay, so said skirt, I've just said, oh, yes,
it goes with barmer, and it goes with that, and
then I go, oh that top, So then I go
oh that top, Yes, that goes with skirt, which also
goes with bomber, and then it's kind of exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And from that one top you can still create four outfits.
So we've always got to think about, you know, because
otherwise we're just buying items on their own in silo
and we're never thinking really about the outfit. It's like, oh,
what's the outfit? I can work with a gene or
a black pant. That's not enough. So for every four items,
we need four outfits. And the compound interest it's not
it's not. I mean, it does take a bit of thought,
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and that's what I want people to do. I want
you to be considered and intentional about what they're purchasing.
But the great thing is the compound interest means that
once you then do those four you bought four items,
you created four outfits. Okay, then when you're buying another
four later in the season next year, the compound interest
means that you might double the amount you're buying, but
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you've tripled the amount of outfits because they're like breeding exactly.
So the compound interest effect means that you've actually got
way way more outfits from way less clothes. And fundamentally,
that's what I delibut.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
How wordre.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay on to bougie and budget. I mean, we've probably.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Should have done two budgets because we're talking about saving
money and getting more out of your clothes. However, I've
bought a bougie. Let's start with your budget though, what's
your budget?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And why my budget is the assembly label coat. It's
Cesadi coat. It's currently on sale from two eighty to
about one nine five am.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm not allowed to shop the sales cam. I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That is such a classic, so classic, you know, the
one that belted lots of colors. So some colors are
on sale, some aren't. And it's one hundred percent wall
and that's a really good.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And that's the best thing to buy on sales. It's
a staple quality.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That you're going to wear for saily.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Discounted, but it's saving you a bit of money on
something you will like flog to death and I'm absolutely approved. Okay,
my budget is a Target bag. I don't know if
you've seen. They've been out for a little bit now.
The Target swayed one hundred collection of bags. So if
I first got some loafers at the start of winter,
real Sway, I got the black ones. They're like wearing slippers.
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There's also a tan and then the bag.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'm not getting it because it's a new financial u
and I'm trying to save money and I actually need
to sell some of my bags.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
But before you replace them.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Correct, If I was in the market for a bag
and it could go back with my fourth fife four,
I would be getting. There's a few of them. Actually
they've got like a big slapsy bo hoo. But this
one's the premium Swayed leather bucket tote bag in khaki. Yeah,
that's eighty dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's really good and I love how that's quite structured
but also a bit slouchy. It's like lots of people's style.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I don't even work for them, but I'm just so impressed,
Like they do the bow hoy slouchy shoulder.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh is that in this way too? It's that little
gold class. Oh that's impressive. That's impressive.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Not for me because I'm but other people.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Other people in the market, just saying it would go
really nice with your out.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You've gone today, all right, what else if you got
for me? What's your boogie?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
My bougie is Comla Mark because they do really really
good outwear. Trenches and jackets and coats are really they're unparallel. Yeah,
so they're Donato coats one one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't think. Oh so it's a worn Yeah, what
called like a tidy coat.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, it's very similar to the assembly label. And the
reason I like them a lot is because they're not
too dressing gown ish.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Sometimes I had a short collar. They've got dressing gown
fabric thingy. That's yeah sometimes and obviously you can put
a nice structured belt on. It looks really cool if
you're going, if you're dressing it up, etcetera. Purposing. But
the Donato coat is augeous.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Because that's because we're such good people. We've got an
amazing tax return and we're treating ourselves.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And again that will be really timeless, but it's interesting
because that's not one hundred percent well it's woolen poly
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, it depends because some of my natural synthetic blends.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We're the best.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, good, I'm glad you're bougie. Was bougie because
my bougi is quite bousy. Okay, okay, so we're being.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A good girl. This isn't me. But someone needs to
invest because we're talking about saving money and shopping on
a budget, but also we're talking about purchasing things will watable.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Thing investment absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I mean I could not love Oriton anymore. In the
last few years, they have just had the biggest go up.
This is already sold out but coming back. But I'm
just going to tell people about it so it's on
their radar. It is the Mica workmanship small bowler like
it's a bowler bag, which means like, but this is
the small the mini. The mini is quite small. The
bowler is like, like, that's that's her everyday handbag. Yes,
(24:10):
you could fit your laptop. I would probably have a
separate bag from my laptop. But this is my everything
as in like glasses, you know, bottle Yes, yeah, zip
I love something the fully zip shut because I throw
it in the car.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Everything falls out. I love the black.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's eight hundred and ninety nine dollars and already sold out.
So what does that tell you? Yeah, And like we
were talking before we started recording, I've got a green
Oriton bag. I bought from the Origin outlet online. If
you're not across the Oriton outlet online, where have you
been all your life? It's online maybe five or six
years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And I use it a lot, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And that's it. You want to think about the frequency?
Am I going to wear this daily? Week yere, monthly?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I bought that full price?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I didn't, so it was a good sale purpose yes, yes, yes,
okay Kim?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So when are you coming over tomorrow? Okay, thank you
so much for coming back. Love having you pleasure. So
as I promised, the show is not over yet. I
love how Kim.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Talked us through the process of auditing our wardrobe and
then what we're going to do with it. So she
touched on pre loved and reselling. So I've found Miya
in the studio here and we're going to talk about
reselling and also buying secondhand because it's very cool right now,
me Friedman, Hello, Hi, I wanted to bring you onto
the show and bring you back to talk about pre
(25:26):
loved fashion because he noticed we talked about a year
ago about thrifting. Have you noticed the boom of pre loved?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yes? And it's now a flex when you ask someone.
It's so funny because back in our magazine days, it
used to be where's that from? And it used to
be a flex if it was a label, yes, and
then it was a flex if it wasn't a label, yes,
but it looked like a label. And now it's a
flex if it's shrifted, yeah, if it's pre loved or
(25:52):
second man, it says not only am I sustainable and
I'm helping the planet, but also I'm clever and I've
put in the work. Yes, and I've got something maybe individual,
and no one can copy it, and I've saved somewhere. Okay,
So I've brought you across to the well. It's not
the dark sign anymore. That's six months ago. I was
looking through a lot of my clothes and I used
(26:13):
to sell some of my stuff. I'd go through my
stuff a lot, so I'm not sentimental about my clothes.
You do a regular clean out, I do, and I
give away a lot. I donate a lot, and that
there are some things that I would sell in various
places consignment shops. Yeah, but I sort of stopped doing
that and I things have been banking up and I
was looking at all of it and just going, I
(26:33):
really want to do something good with this stuff, and
so give it to me. Well, I wanted to sell
it and raise money for Rise Up. So Rise Up
is the charity that we support. I'm an ambassador for them,
and they help women and children start again after domestic violence.
They helped set up homes and they don't take pre
loved stuff, so we support them with money, and I
(26:54):
wanted to find new homes for my clothes. I don't
know if you watch Toy Story. I think it was
the second toy story, the Psycholonaemy. So do you know
how there was that thing about the toys just wanted
to be played with. Yes, I feel that way about clothes.
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And I've got suitcases and suitcases of stuff I want
to sell. Yeah, but I haven't. I can't set up
a market stall. I'm too old, and it's too early
in the morning, and it's too crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, I agree, So what I did is eBay contacted
me and said, would you like to do a store
with eBay? And I'm like, I used to do stores
with abab all the time when I was showing all
the time. I also shop on eBay all the time,
and I will often find buy new things a lot
of people don't know ye so by new things on
eBay too. So now building this store, what's amazing now
(27:39):
is that there's all this technology on eBay like AI
and stuff that helps you list items. Yes, if people
haven't been on lately, it is so different and so
intuitive and so phenomenal, it's a lot easier much. Yeah,
I've just really enjoyed the process. I like thinking about
people being able to wear these things in their own
wardrobus or I've had so much joy from them. But
(28:01):
maybe that don't fit me anymore. Maybe they're just not
my style.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And that's what I was going to ask, how you
decided what to culp? What's your filter for it's time
to sell on eb and give it? Yeah, it's the
toy that I'll be played with by someone else.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. So, like a lot of people, I sort of
have clothes stored all over the house in bits of
other people. I don't know it's all over that normal.
It's just maybe you and me, maybe you're and me.
And what I do is I will give something a
two year grace period because sometimes things come back and
it's like this year, I just took out all my
winter coats and winter stuff and I tried it all on,
(28:36):
and some of it. I was like, I'm going to
give this one more year. And if I'm a made yeah,
because I didn't wear it last year, I don't want
to wear it this year. If I get to another
year and I haven't worn it, it's going yeah. And
then other things you're like, oh, this feels right for now, Yes,
you know that feeling. And then if it's like no,
I'm not waiting, then it's in the eBay pile. Oh
my god, I'm going to go on eBay and shop
(28:56):
your things? Is that weird? If I buy your things
and then we sit next to each other. I have
already bought one of my friends because as we were
laying it all out to photograph, I'd put all these
things aside and I'd wash them and made sure that
they were in good condition. And this was about two
months ago, and then we were photographing them all to
put up, and so I was making some content and
I put them all down and there were these pair
of fluorescent pink essential Antwerp trainers. Oh great, I mean
(29:21):
I was like, yes, chunky, and I'm like, why am
I getting rid of those? I need to take them back?
And then I felt bad. I'm like, I'm not taking
money for so I bought them for like one hundred
dollars myself.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh my god, I love that. So they ended up equivalent,
and that's much more efficient. The eBay thing is I
have the bags in the boot my boot for months,
and then the whole season will change. Like I had
a bunch of winter stuff. This is how bad I
am that. Then it got cold again and I was like,
I'm freezing. I was at some soccer game or something
and went to the back of my car opened their
bags and I was like, oh, I quite like that
(29:50):
because it had been there for a year. But had
I got my act together they listed it on eBay,
someone would have been wearing it for that year rather
than yeah, stinky boot.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah. And you can feel a little bit claustrophobic, like when.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know, I feel like I'm drowning, and so I
don't know what to wear because there's too much to
think about.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
So there's always someone who's going to want what you
you don't want any more. So it's like freeing its
future to find a new home, and it's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
A different kind of joy. Like I love walking into
Westfield and buying something from a mass chain store.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Of course I do.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
But when it's oh, it's the hunt, it's the hunt,
and then it's just sometimes the human interaction.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I got a cardigan the other day that I brought
an eBay. I wrote to her and I said, Hey,
I love it so much.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We're like, yes, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Know, it was like a village transaction back in the day,
but these two happy women. I bought it, she sold it,
and the cardigan's living its best life.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, thanks for having me, love you.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Thank you so much for listening to Nothing to Air Now.
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(31:03):
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