December 24, 2024 • 22 mins
With Christmas out of the way and New Year's just one week away, we've hit that weird week where no one knows what day it is, what they're doing, or where they're meant to be.
Which means it's the perfect time for a wardrobe refresh! Take stock of what hasn't been worn and identify the gaps you can fill with your Christmas money.
With expert stylist Nicole Bonython-Hines, you'll be all set to step into 2025 with a fresh, fabulous wardrobe.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the
traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
recorded on whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking. Oh my god, you
have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and
(00:32):
welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'mill a Campberlon. Every
week I talk to an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes we
already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobe. Forget spring cleaning. Now is
the perfect time to look at your wardrobe. Look at
all your clothes, fall in love with what you love,
(00:54):
get the dusty stuff from out the back, ask yourself
why you're keeping it. But it can be hard, It
can be incredibly overwhelming. I personally struggle with clearing my
wardrobe out, and I try to do it all the time,
but I've not nailed the method. So I've brought back
someone who is ruthless and honest, and I love her advice.
Nicoleber nithen Hines is a stylist. She has been in
the fashion industry for decades, and she is honest. She's
(01:18):
the type of person we need, so she's gonna teach
us how and why to keep the things we keep. Nicole,
welcome back. I feel like you were the only expert
for this episode because you can be direct and ruthless.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm sort of having you come to all of our
wardrobes and actually do the cleanup. We're gonna talk to
you about clearing out our wardrobes. Where should someone start?
Do you have a method that you recommend.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I do sometimes when I have private clients.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So do you do this for private clients? Yeap, Oh
good to know. Yeah, it's not my favorite thing to do, though.
It's the thing I don't like doing for myself. No,
of totally. But don't you think it's easier for others
because there's no sentimental Yeah, you're just down the line.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I make you allergic to DustMite?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh god, don't come to my house.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Then closer to been like shoved in a couvered for
years years is just full of it. Yeah, and I
just spend the entire time sneezing and apologizing and blowing
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Maybe they need to do a pre dust, So what's
your method? Does it vary from client to client depending
on their lifestyle, what they've got.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, sometimes, just to make my life a bit easier,
I'll say, why don't you do a little preliminary coal, okay?
And if they've got no interest in that, then you know.
And it depends how much a hoarder they are or not.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And also how big their wardrobe is. Because I'm lucky
my relatively new word rabbits about a year old is big.
But the problem me is so I don't clear it
out till it's bursting. But that's just way too want
to close one person, Yeah, it really is. The methods.
Say you're coming to my house, I need help. I
don't know what to keep, what to get rid of?
Are we doing piles? What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So sometimes I bring a spare rack, which not everybody has,
and maybe it's just you know, the floor in the
whole way.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I don't know, yep.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But I get them to show me what it is
that they wear on the regular so it's their go
to pieces.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So our theory about the ten percent ninety percent the
stuff they wear scent of the time pretty much.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I get them to pull those things out and
then we start going through it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Icem buy, icem.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes I'll start and I'll just go, let's put all
your pants together, let's put all your jackets together, let's
put all your dresses.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Together, because it might be a real mess, might at
least in categories. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, sometimes they're just you know, everything, everything everywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And then I'll just go through and I can be
ruthless and for a startup, it's when was the last
time you wore this?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So do you ask questions that they've thought or do
you just look and go, oh, hideous?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because sometimes I do that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh I did wonder because I think, like I said,
we can't all have you there. But sometimes I need
someone to go, look, why did you buy that? When
did you buy that? Or where do you think you're
ever going to wear that?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean they're good questions to ask, but i'd
just more so I look at it and I go, well,
is it all pill?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Does it have holes in it? I mean that's that's
round one basically.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So round one is the things that I just awful,
not because of anything, but just they're too wornly. It's
just done, they're tired, and then round two will be
how likely are you to ever wear this again? When
was the last time you wore it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What does your life look like now that's different to
how your life was when.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You bought that things?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Because lifestyle is so important, isn't it. If you're not
going to lots of balls? Why if you've got fifty
ball gowns?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, exactly, And if they've sized up or down, I
mean so many people, I'm going to keep that until
I can fit it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, chances are you're not going to fit it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So speaking on size and whether things fit or not,
are we trying things on? Not unless they're slightly redeemable. Okay,
I can sort of tell if they're really it's not
worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
If they go, oh, I don't know, I don't really
want to part with that. I gotta show me what
they look like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Okay, scary? Can I tell you my method that is
definitely not perfect, but I want to get your thoughts
on it. Firstly, I've done this more than once and
I'm never going to do it again. Do not pull
everything out at once unless you do have someone that
to keep you accountable that you're paying but I've pulled
everything out and they've lost all steam and I've just
left it all on the bed.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So what works best for me? Because I do have
a lot of clothes, I'll admit, and I do have ADHD,
So I lose interest in a project halfway through. I
try and do maybe the Blazers one week, Oh, I
don't know dresses. Just cut it up into sections because
I also get decision fatigue and then I'm like, oh,
I'm confused, and then that lee that I'm being that
day might not want that dress, but I feel different.
(05:24):
So do you think it's the hay to do it
over stages?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah? Definitely.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean it's always better if you chunk a task,
but then if you've got someone like me there, then
you have to do it all in one go.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, but that's you've got a cheerleader. They're keeping you
on track. Whereas I end up walking downstairs at the
Crown On I've got a sequence bag and I was
cleaning out my wardrobe. Then I use washing baskets as
my piles.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How many washing baskets do you have?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So many? I don't know. I've got like fifteen. How
many Internet what should I have one? What the plastic
one that you walk to the washing machine with?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yes, why do you have fifteen?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I don't know, that's so weird one. How many people
I've got? Well, I've got a husband and child. I've
got really great ones from Amason and they collapsible flat,
so they one slides under my bed, one sides under
the kid's bed, and so when it's time to end,
do the washing basket. Well, this is obviously my problem volume.
These are my piles keep obviously, and that usually just
(06:18):
kind of stays in the water. But I won't pull
it out donate, So that's you know, you're going to
your Vini's or whatever my celf. So it's like I've
treated myself to a beautiful scale in the feed or
something a few years ago. Probably won't wear it again,
but I don't want to donate it. I want to
try and get a bit of money back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I have a maybe pile. And that's when I just
can't decide. It might be sentimental, it might be that
it might not be in the right mood to make
a decision. And then I have a try on like,
oh those genes, am I making it too hard for myself.
Do you reckon? No?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think that's pretty good approach.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Sometimes I'd say to people if they have a maybe
pile and they really can't decide, I suggest if they've
got a bit of room and a spare cupboards, yeah,
put those things in there, and then see in reality,
how many times do they go to that cupboard they
have a period of X number of months.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And if they've totally forgotten, yeah, like maybe put in
your diary in three months check maybe cupboard. You're like, Oh,
I forgot about those things clearly and want them.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean I've got literally more than half my wardrobes
currently in storage and I've forgotten all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh but how exciting when you get to go back
and play.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Maybe I've got don't have enough cupet space?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh no, I know. Well that storage is so much
of this, isn't it? Because it really is dependent on storage.
So key signs that a piece of clothing should be
moved on, like you said, holes bold, just it's over
lost in shape yep, not fitting too small, not fitting
too big. How likely are your clients to tailor something?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean I've got a pile of oh tailor it's
worth tailoring, for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's a really beautiful quality thing.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yes, that just needed to be fitted and it just
needed someone to go put these in your car now
and take them to the tailor.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, And that's what you do because the thing is
for me. Like there's certain items that I love Shambra shirts.
I probably got fifteen, but there's three that I love.
Some are too big, some are too small. So it's
just letting go. It's just keeping the three. Yeah, stop
trying to bind the perfect Chambra shirt. Choose your favorite
and get rid of the ones because I'm never going
to reach for those other ones.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean that's really silly, Like you're never gonna wear
that's two weeks and a bit of Chambre shirts staff today,
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
But it's like one of my key stamles. Okay. So
if you do have multiples of an item, yes, I mean,
say you're quite a corporate office work, you might have
more black pants than the average person. But I reckon
there's probably some in there that when you go to
pick your black pants, you're not reaching for a couple
of those peers because they're not your favorites.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So do you you know, do you think quantity is
a problem with some clients or not enough of something,
not in a variety, too many sombre shirts, not enough,
too many different shirt fifteen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's definitely too many shonpre shirts because.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
For me, I know when I definitely don't want something,
and I know when I definitely do want to keep something.
But it's the stuff in between that's like, oh that
is quite a nice shirt. Yeah, I will wear that.
Do you compare it back to what else is in
your wardrobe?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think there are things that are worth having multiples of,
like a pair of black pants, for example. I mean
I've got high waisted black pants with pleats, black pants
not with pleats, wide legged black plants, capri black pants. Yes,
and they all have a purpose and I think it's
worth hanging on to them.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And do you wear them relatively frequently or the cell
great condition?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I wear them relatively frequently. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean
that's probably the only thing.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh white shirts, Yeah, you know, so whatever your staple is,
I mean you're wearing black pants and a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That works out maybe for me.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
My staples up jeans, shambra shirts, T shirt, so I
do have more than I guess the average person, but
I do wear them a fab Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay, but I knew you wouldn't havever wear.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Fifty No, because I reach for my top three. Yeah,
you get rotation. Yeah, so get rid of the other.
Why don't you put the maths here? Twelve in your
spare cuppets. Okay, and see how you go back to it.
This is how see what happens items that we haven't
(10:01):
worn for a while. Do you have a hard and
fast rule, you know how some people are like twelve
months or turn the hangar? I mean it does it
depend on the item? Because times we've got pretty dresses,
but we haven't got a wedding to go to.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah. Look, I feel like, you know, I've.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Got a couple of really beautiful black tie dresses that wow,
be like if I wear them once a year. But
they're beautiful, I don't know, and they make you happy,
But you just put them in the back corner of
your cupboard, you.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Know, they're not front.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, the things that you wear every single day need
to be in that spot where you can open it easily.
And actually, just as another chip to the people out there,
I'm currently renovating. Certainly, I'm not going to get more
cupboard space.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's very upset design.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I know it's just a no budget and be no room.
But I'm staying with a friend and she has sliding
door wardrobes.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They are hell, They're not good, They're terrible. I mean
they're good for if you you know the bed's right there,
and you can't. Of course, maybe a third of.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Your stuff you can't see anything like I do the
whole open the doors and go, oh, there's that pair
of mauve pants that look with great with that pink
shirt over there, because you won't wear it if you
can't see it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Correct. Your brain also doesn't know, but that's right. Finally,
before we started recording, I said to you, I love
those pants. I think I've got those pants, and we
worked out we both have those pants. There's somewhere in
the abyss for good. I had them, love them and
almost would have bought similar.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, but don't you have all your pants in one
spot in your wood?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yes? I do, but there's just like a chunk of
black and I just again need to do a clean out.
That's what you're here for, to help all of us.
You might have a lot of clothes. You might not
have a lot of clothes, but if you're not wearing them,
it's time for clean out anyway, regardless of volume, at
least inspecting why or making a conscious decisions should it
stay there for good reason or is it just taking
up space? Yeah? And the liberation afterwards, that's something to
(11:47):
look forward to, Okay, liberation, that's my goal. Sentimental pieces, Look,
if you're not wearing them, what are you going to
do with your wedding dress? For example, I sold my
wedding dress straight away. Fatal not sentimental with clothing other things,
I am. I've got a beautiful dress of my mum's
from the seventies.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, And so I guess I allow myself a few
sentimental items. But I'm like, oh, I wore that T
shirt on my third date. Was rich, you know, because
otherwise everything could become Yeah, it's hard, but I think
you do have to just clench your eyes and yeah
and put them in and in the pile that goes
to goodwill or something. You're very timeless. You're all about
quality and long wear, but some of us are into
(12:28):
kind of hard and fast trends, What do we do
with those pieces like hard because those things are much
easier to part with because they're ship that I mean,
I mean, if you're buying from Shine or those we're not.
We're not say you've got you know, it's something that
you love or loved that was very a few summers
(12:49):
ago trend in terms of the zion And I always
see what you're saying over right, yep, got it? What
if we do, like, if you kind of feel like
that'll while ago.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If it's not the thing you donate, I guess it's
going to be someone who's not up on the trends
like you are.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's it. But also do you believe in that
whole Maricondo thing of bringing you joy? Oh, you brought
your joy two years ago, but it's done anymore, I know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But then you're bringing joy to someone who's really behind
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But perhaps that when you can't decide, that's the filter
you apply because they think there's a very black and
white filter of yes, love, no, got holes terrible, but
there's stuff in the middle. You try the joy filter.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You could definitely try that.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, timeless pieces, So you talked about, you know,
black pants, white shirts, so meat's jeans and a T shirt.
Do you always suggest we keep the same ones or
is it even worth addressing the timeless pieces because shapes change?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh yeah, no, you've got to change your time with pieces. Yes, timeless,
they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That timeless, but then it might be every ten years
like it might be.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes, you know one of those beautiful Maximra coats that's
just gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It truly is timeless.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That is pretty time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But also, say, let's say skinny leg you know, was
in for so long now apparently coming back, but we're
still doing white or straight. If you've got a really
good quality pair of great skinny legs, you don't have
to throw them all out. You know, maybe you wore
a lot and you've got some cheapiees that have stretched.
We get rid of those. But if you've got your
beautiful levice, do we keep those? Do you reckon update
(14:16):
you're going to buy a fresh one?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, okay, that's just to take I mean, I'm spending
a fortune on storage. The amount I'm going to spend
on storage versus how much it would cost me to
repurchase something down the track, I'm sure I'm overspending in.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
The storage arena.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Oh I love storage though. That's such a good point,
because you're right, if it's coming around every ten or
fifteen years, you might want to update it anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, I think you would, because you're not going to
be the same shape. Yes, no, I think you would. Yeah,
if it's a timeless thing. But but I do think
timeless pieces need to be updated, you know. Yea, if
it's a blazer, it might be double breasted, not single,
might more fitted.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, okay, that's good. So even though it falls into
a timeless category of maybe a trench or maybe whatever,
you still need to analyze it.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So. Oh lord, I've got a lot of work ahead
of me. How often do you suggest people clean things out,
like do this? What do you do? Well? About to
do it again? In ordinary life? Do you move your
winter two years? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I always.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I just again, I've never had enough wardrobe space, so
I always rotate seasonally and off season. My off season
is in those bags that suck up.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The vacuum back.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yea, yeah, they're good.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Or anything. No, because there's no air so there's no moisture. Ever,
Oh good, I need to do and then they can
fit in drawers or those big plastic tubs. Yes, things
like coats. You don't really want to do that too,
but t shirt shorts, some knits structured, yeah, anything that's
not structured or tailored really, yes, exactly, Yeah, I do
that about now I'll get rid of all my winter stuff. Yeah,
bring the summer stuff before I wash it all though, Okay,
(15:53):
So wash it all and then store it? Well? Yeah,
do you put your note you diy to remind you
where it is or anything or not that person?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You should?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You should have a spot for it, not.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Behind the fridge.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I swear I had a navy niche and I got
buy a new one and in the end of next week, fine,
and wear a hit on my Okay. So we've done
our piles, either with someone as wonderful as you or
(16:28):
by yourself in the kind of interim or as a
kind of a consolation prize of a gun of you.
Do you ever suggest enlisting a friend? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think if you don't want to hire a person,
then I think it's good to have a set of
objective eyes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, because you're going to do that honest. Yeah, someone
who's honest but also wants to get in there and
get the dust and get dirty, because you've got to
get it done.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You want someone who isn't going to be of a
different you know, someone who loves florally things for example,
and a bit aligned with your and understand your style.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah yeah, okay, And then I could always go in
the maybe pile. If you sometimes don't agree and don't
want to get in a heated argument, you just go
that's maybe until you leave. That's what I do, and
then I put it all back. Say you've got stuff
you've got to get rid of. Do you donate, do
you sell? Do you do a mix of both.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I've never had much success with selling, and it's just
depressing how much.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You can back there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, you've really got to have low expectations.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I really do.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mean, it's nice that they find a new home,
but sometimes I just get impatient and I just shove
it all in a bag and stick it in all
of those bins.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
On the street.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's donating. Yeah, I know someone's going to go through
the parl and go, oh my god, it's a center
on bag. Oh my gosh. Don't you ever I do.
I get to a point where I like I just
can't even think about this anymore. Someone's going to be
very excited sell things for you. Yes, you're only get
half the price, but it's better than nothing. Yeah, I know.
But if it's really trash, as my Centeroon bag was,
I was just overseas and I got quite a trashed
(17:52):
low Ova bag for one hundred and thirty five urom
still online for six thousand, six hundred. Wow. I send
it off to the bag sparts back. It's like new
no way, yep. My suggestions because I like thrifting and
I do have a big volume of clothes. I like
to get shiny new things all the time. So I've
had some success on eBay Again, anything online is a
lot of questions. You've got to be mentally prepared for
(18:13):
the back and forth. eBay deep op a lot of
people use that deep but I feel like that's younger thing.
Oh No, you've just got to find your circle. I
don't think so. I mean there's beautiful designer on there,
there's just you know, like your calls in your country
road level.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, you've just.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Got to find the person.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Facebook marketplace again can be a dumpsterfire, can be great.
We did a swap in the moment of my office.
Recently we all went and cleaned out of wardrobes. Everyone
had sort of six weeks notice and we all brought
in and the amount of items you brought in was
the amount of tokens you got to then swap. But
there's places before you throw out another Saint Laurent bag
as a one that me uses all the time. I
(18:52):
use what we wore. They did have a store in
the Sydney Eastern suburbs, but now they're just online. They
will take half, but at least you know geting something
and you don't have to do all the back and
forth and the trying on. Talk to me about storage.
So we've cleaned out our wardrobe and then we want
to make it more functional and I guess visible some
of us might have sliding doors. What do you recommend
(19:14):
We then put all the stuff we're keeping back so
we wear it again.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's just about order. You don't wear something if it's
not orderly. So I like to put things in their categories.
So you have black pants together, or your blue pants together,
or your cotton casual pants together. Yes, whatever your categories are,
or your blazers and the rest of the stuff, just.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
You know, see you later, see you later. Wow, you're
so ruthless. Do you ever argue with the client about
not argue? But are people harder to convince because they
have that emotional attachment to their things?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I mean, at the end of the day, drag it
and run away, And I say, well, I'm here because
you've hired me to be here, so you can take
my advice or not. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they do
what you do with your friend, though they probably just go, Okay,
I'll take it to the goodwill And then it's.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Why you're so good at this and I'm not because
I think I don't want to let that go and
I haven't examined why why do I I want to
keep it? Where am I planning or wearing it? The
amount of imaginary dress up parties I'm going to in
my field, Wait to a dress up party. I have
not been dressed up ten years. Okay, so we're clearing
out our wardrobes. I want you to ask, on average
with your clients, is it that they have too much
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stuff and need it, or that they just haven't identified
the holes or the gaps in their wardrobe. Why are
people needing this service? Well, the people that I work with,
generally it's not a priority. They don't think that about
their wardrobe. Yes, I mean they know they have.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
To get dressed obviously, but they've got other stuff that's
more sure.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So they might be corporate, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And some of them are hoarders, you know, they.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Just kind of get it and keep it and there's
just another task they never get to it, and or
some of them are emotionally attached to all these crazy things.
You know, Oh, this is a dress I wore on
my first date when we met. It's a disgusting DKM.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Why dress or something?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Do you say that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Moving on?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh well, I'm probably less tactful than that. I would say, no,
you don't need this. Yeah, well you don't need it.
I mean it is beautiful and sentimental. You've got that memory,
probably had a photo.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You don't need to keep the dress because by applying
that filter to everything, you would live in piles of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah you would.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, Yeah, what's your one takeaway for people that are
feeling overwhelmed by the thought and also say you're not there?
This is what I wonder because Holly, who is one
of my colleagues. She recently did it and she messaged me, goes, God,
this takes a long time. Do you think people underestimate
the effort that you need.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, again, it depends on how much stuff they've gotten.
Heart and they cull. But I think your idea is good.
Just break it down into I'm doing these two drawers today.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, it doesn't feel too overwhelming. No, I think any
task is more achievable if you break into chunks.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I used to say that to my kids with their studying.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, I need to hire you. It's not that dusty.
I promise you'll just drown on the piles of.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Sure, I'll do anything other than my own wardrobe. I'll
come and look at yours any day. Thank you, it's
my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
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welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'mill a Campberlon. Every
week I talk to an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes we
already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobe. Forget spring cleaning. Now is
the perfect time to look at your wardrobe. Look at
all your clothes, fall in love with what you love,
(00:54):
get the dusty stuff from out the back, ask yourself
why you're keeping it. But it can be hard, It
can be incredibly overwhelming. I personally struggle with clearing my
wardrobe out, and I try to do it all the time,
but I've not nailed the method. So I've brought back
someone who is ruthless and honest, and I love her advice.
Nicoleber nithen Hines is a stylist. She has been in
the fashion industry for decades, and she is honest. She's
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the type of person we need, so she's gonna teach
us how and why to keep the things we keep. Nicole,
welcome back. I feel like you were the only expert
for this episode because you can be direct and ruthless.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm sort of having you come to all of our
wardrobes and actually do the cleanup. We're gonna talk to
you about clearing out our wardrobes. Where should someone start?
Do you have a method that you recommend.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I do sometimes when I have private clients.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So do you do this for private clients? Yeap, Oh
good to know. Yeah, it's not my favorite thing to do, though.
It's the thing I don't like doing for myself. No,
of totally. But don't you think it's easier for others
because there's no sentimental Yeah, you're just down the line.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I make you allergic to DustMite?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh god, don't come to my house.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Then closer to been like shoved in a couvered for
years years is just full of it. Yeah, and I
just spend the entire time sneezing and apologizing and blowing
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Maybe they need to do a pre dust, So what's
your method? Does it vary from client to client depending
on their lifestyle, what they've got.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, sometimes, just to make my life a bit easier,
I'll say, why don't you do a little preliminary coal, okay?
And if they've got no interest in that, then you know.
And it depends how much a hoarder they are or not.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And also how big their wardrobe is. Because I'm lucky
my relatively new word rabbits about a year old is big.
But the problem me is so I don't clear it
out till it's bursting. But that's just way too want
to close one person, Yeah, it really is. The methods.
Say you're coming to my house, I need help. I
don't know what to keep, what to get rid of?
Are we doing piles? What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So sometimes I bring a spare rack, which not everybody has,
and maybe it's just you know, the floor in the
whole way.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I don't know, yep.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But I get them to show me what it is
that they wear on the regular so it's their go
to pieces.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So our theory about the ten percent ninety percent the
stuff they wear scent of the time pretty much.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I get them to pull those things out and
then we start going through it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Icem buy, icem.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes I'll start and I'll just go, let's put all
your pants together, let's put all your jackets together, let's
put all your dresses.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Together, because it might be a real mess, might at
least in categories. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, sometimes they're just you know, everything, everything everywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And then I'll just go through and I can be
ruthless and for a startup, it's when was the last
time you wore this?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So do you ask questions that they've thought or do
you just look and go, oh, hideous?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because sometimes I do that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh I did wonder because I think, like I said,
we can't all have you there. But sometimes I need
someone to go, look, why did you buy that? When
did you buy that? Or where do you think you're
ever going to wear that?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean they're good questions to ask, but i'd
just more so I look at it and I go, well,
is it all pill?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Does it have holes in it? I mean that's that's
round one basically.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So round one is the things that I just awful,
not because of anything, but just they're too wornly. It's
just done, they're tired, and then round two will be
how likely are you to ever wear this again? When
was the last time you wore it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
What does your life look like now that's different to
how your life was when.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You bought that things?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Because lifestyle is so important, isn't it. If you're not
going to lots of balls? Why if you've got fifty
ball gowns?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, exactly, And if they've sized up or down, I
mean so many people, I'm going to keep that until
I can fit it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, chances are you're not going to fit it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So speaking on size and whether things fit or not,
are we trying things on? Not unless they're slightly redeemable. Okay,
I can sort of tell if they're really it's not
worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
If they go, oh, I don't know, I don't really
want to part with that. I gotta show me what
they look like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Okay, scary? Can I tell you my method that is
definitely not perfect, but I want to get your thoughts
on it. Firstly, I've done this more than once and
I'm never going to do it again. Do not pull
everything out at once unless you do have someone that
to keep you accountable that you're paying but I've pulled
everything out and they've lost all steam and I've just
left it all on the bed.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So what works best for me? Because I do have
a lot of clothes, I'll admit, and I do have ADHD,
So I lose interest in a project halfway through. I
try and do maybe the Blazers one week, Oh, I
don't know dresses. Just cut it up into sections because
I also get decision fatigue and then I'm like, oh,
I'm confused, and then that lee that I'm being that
day might not want that dress, but I feel different.
(05:24):
So do you think it's the hay to do it
over stages?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah? Definitely.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean it's always better if you chunk a task,
but then if you've got someone like me there, then
you have to do it all in one go.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, but that's you've got a cheerleader. They're keeping you
on track. Whereas I end up walking downstairs at the
Crown On I've got a sequence bag and I was
cleaning out my wardrobe. Then I use washing baskets as
my piles.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
How many washing baskets do you have?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So many? I don't know. I've got like fifteen. How
many Internet what should I have one? What the plastic
one that you walk to the washing machine with?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yes, why do you have fifteen?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I don't know, that's so weird one. How many people
I've got? Well, I've got a husband and child. I've
got really great ones from Amason and they collapsible flat,
so they one slides under my bed, one sides under
the kid's bed, and so when it's time to end,
do the washing basket. Well, this is obviously my problem volume.
These are my piles keep obviously, and that usually just
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kind of stays in the water. But I won't pull
it out donate, So that's you know, you're going to
your Vini's or whatever my celf. So it's like I've
treated myself to a beautiful scale in the feed or
something a few years ago. Probably won't wear it again,
but I don't want to donate it. I want to
try and get a bit of money back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I have a maybe pile. And that's when I just
can't decide. It might be sentimental, it might be that
it might not be in the right mood to make
a decision. And then I have a try on like,
oh those genes, am I making it too hard for myself.
Do you reckon? No?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think that's pretty good approach.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Sometimes I'd say to people if they have a maybe
pile and they really can't decide, I suggest if they've
got a bit of room and a spare cupboards, yeah,
put those things in there, and then see in reality,
how many times do they go to that cupboard they
have a period of X number of months.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And if they've totally forgotten, yeah, like maybe put in
your diary in three months check maybe cupboard. You're like, Oh,
I forgot about those things clearly and want them.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean I've got literally more than half my wardrobes
currently in storage and I've forgotten all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh but how exciting when you get to go back
and play.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Maybe I've got don't have enough cupet space?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh no, I know. Well that storage is so much
of this, isn't it? Because it really is dependent on storage.
So key signs that a piece of clothing should be
moved on, like you said, holes bold, just it's over
lost in shape yep, not fitting too small, not fitting
too big. How likely are your clients to tailor something?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean I've got a pile of oh tailor it's
worth tailoring, for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's a really beautiful quality thing.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yes, that just needed to be fitted and it just
needed someone to go put these in your car now
and take them to the tailor.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, And that's what you do because the thing is
for me. Like there's certain items that I love Shambra shirts.
I probably got fifteen, but there's three that I love.
Some are too big, some are too small. So it's
just letting go. It's just keeping the three. Yeah, stop
trying to bind the perfect Chambra shirt. Choose your favorite
and get rid of the ones because I'm never going
to reach for those other ones.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
No you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean that's really silly, Like you're never gonna wear
that's two weeks and a bit of Chambre shirts staff today,
I know.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
But it's like one of my key stamles. Okay. So
if you do have multiples of an item, yes, I mean,
say you're quite a corporate office work, you might have
more black pants than the average person. But I reckon
there's probably some in there that when you go to
pick your black pants, you're not reaching for a couple
of those peers because they're not your favorites.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So do you you know, do you think quantity is
a problem with some clients or not enough of something,
not in a variety, too many sombre shirts, not enough,
too many different shirt fifteen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's definitely too many shonpre shirts because.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
For me, I know when I definitely don't want something,
and I know when I definitely do want to keep something.
But it's the stuff in between that's like, oh that
is quite a nice shirt. Yeah, I will wear that.
Do you compare it back to what else is in
your wardrobe?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think there are things that are worth having multiples of,
like a pair of black pants, for example. I mean
I've got high waisted black pants with pleats, black pants
not with pleats, wide legged black plants, capri black pants. Yes,
and they all have a purpose and I think it's
worth hanging on to them.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And do you wear them relatively frequently or the cell
great condition?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I wear them relatively frequently. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean
that's probably the only thing.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh white shirts, Yeah, you know, so whatever your staple is,
I mean you're wearing black pants and a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That works out maybe for me.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
My staples up jeans, shambra shirts, T shirt, so I
do have more than I guess the average person, but
I do wear them a fab Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay, but I knew you wouldn't havever wear.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Fifty No, because I reach for my top three. Yeah,
you get rotation. Yeah, so get rid of the other.
Why don't you put the maths here? Twelve in your
spare cuppets. Okay, and see how you go back to it.
This is how see what happens items that we haven't
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worn for a while. Do you have a hard and
fast rule, you know how some people are like twelve
months or turn the hangar? I mean it does it
depend on the item? Because times we've got pretty dresses,
but we haven't got a wedding to go to.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah. Look, I feel like, you know, I've.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Got a couple of really beautiful black tie dresses that wow,
be like if I wear them once a year. But
they're beautiful, I don't know, and they make you happy,
But you just put them in the back corner of
your cupboard, you.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Know, they're not front.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, the things that you wear every single day need
to be in that spot where you can open it easily.
And actually, just as another chip to the people out there,
I'm currently renovating. Certainly, I'm not going to get more
cupboard space.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's very upset design.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I know it's just a no budget and be no room.
But I'm staying with a friend and she has sliding
door wardrobes.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They are hell, They're not good, They're terrible. I mean
they're good for if you you know the bed's right there,
and you can't. Of course, maybe a third of.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Your stuff you can't see anything like I do the
whole open the doors and go, oh, there's that pair
of mauve pants that look with great with that pink
shirt over there, because you won't wear it if you
can't see it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Correct. Your brain also doesn't know, but that's right. Finally,
before we started recording, I said to you, I love
those pants. I think I've got those pants, and we
worked out we both have those pants. There's somewhere in
the abyss for good. I had them, love them and
almost would have bought similar.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, but don't you have all your pants in one
spot in your wood?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yes? I do, but there's just like a chunk of
black and I just again need to do a clean out.
That's what you're here for, to help all of us.
You might have a lot of clothes. You might not
have a lot of clothes, but if you're not wearing them,
it's time for clean out anyway, regardless of volume, at
least inspecting why or making a conscious decisions should it
stay there for good reason or is it just taking
up space? Yeah? And the liberation afterwards, that's something to
(11:47):
look forward to, Okay, liberation, that's my goal. Sentimental pieces, Look,
if you're not wearing them, what are you going to
do with your wedding dress? For example, I sold my
wedding dress straight away. Fatal not sentimental with clothing other things,
I am. I've got a beautiful dress of my mum's
from the seventies.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, And so I guess I allow myself a few
sentimental items. But I'm like, oh, I wore that T
shirt on my third date. Was rich, you know, because
otherwise everything could become Yeah, it's hard, but I think
you do have to just clench your eyes and yeah
and put them in and in the pile that goes
to goodwill or something. You're very timeless. You're all about
quality and long wear, but some of us are into
(12:28):
kind of hard and fast trends, What do we do
with those pieces like hard because those things are much
easier to part with because they're ship that I mean,
I mean, if you're buying from Shine or those we're not.
We're not say you've got you know, it's something that
you love or loved that was very a few summers
(12:49):
ago trend in terms of the zion And I always
see what you're saying over right, yep, got it? What
if we do, like, if you kind of feel like
that'll while ago.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If it's not the thing you donate, I guess it's
going to be someone who's not up on the trends
like you are.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's it. But also do you believe in that
whole Maricondo thing of bringing you joy? Oh, you brought
your joy two years ago, but it's done anymore, I know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But then you're bringing joy to someone who's really behind
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But perhaps that when you can't decide, that's the filter
you apply because they think there's a very black and
white filter of yes, love, no, got holes terrible, but
there's stuff in the middle. You try the joy filter.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You could definitely try that.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, timeless pieces, So you talked about, you know,
black pants, white shirts, so meat's jeans and a T shirt.
Do you always suggest we keep the same ones or
is it even worth addressing the timeless pieces because shapes change?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh yeah, no, you've got to change your time with pieces. Yes, timeless,
they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That timeless, but then it might be every ten years
like it might be.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes, you know one of those beautiful Maximra coats that's
just gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It truly is timeless.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
That is pretty time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But also, say, let's say skinny leg you know, was
in for so long now apparently coming back, but we're
still doing white or straight. If you've got a really
good quality pair of great skinny legs, you don't have
to throw them all out. You know, maybe you wore
a lot and you've got some cheapiees that have stretched.
We get rid of those. But if you've got your
beautiful levice, do we keep those? Do you reckon update
(14:16):
you're going to buy a fresh one?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, okay, that's just to take I mean, I'm spending
a fortune on storage. The amount I'm going to spend
on storage versus how much it would cost me to
repurchase something down the track, I'm sure I'm overspending in.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
The storage arena.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Oh I love storage though. That's such a good point,
because you're right, if it's coming around every ten or
fifteen years, you might want to update it anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, I think you would, because you're not going to
be the same shape. Yes, no, I think you would. Yeah,
if it's a timeless thing. But but I do think
timeless pieces need to be updated, you know. Yea, if
it's a blazer, it might be double breasted, not single,
might more fitted.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, okay, that's good. So even though it falls into
a timeless category of maybe a trench or maybe whatever,
you still need to analyze it.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So. Oh lord, I've got a lot of work ahead
of me. How often do you suggest people clean things out,
like do this? What do you do? Well? About to
do it again? In ordinary life? Do you move your
winter two years? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I always.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I just again, I've never had enough wardrobe space, so
I always rotate seasonally and off season. My off season
is in those bags that suck up.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The vacuum back.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yea, yeah, they're good.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Or anything. No, because there's no air so there's no moisture. Ever,
Oh good, I need to do and then they can
fit in drawers or those big plastic tubs. Yes, things
like coats. You don't really want to do that too,
but t shirt shorts, some knits structured, yeah, anything that's
not structured or tailored really, yes, exactly, Yeah, I do
that about now I'll get rid of all my winter stuff. Yeah,
bring the summer stuff before I wash it all though, Okay,
(15:53):
So wash it all and then store it? Well? Yeah,
do you put your note you diy to remind you
where it is or anything or not that person?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You should?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You should have a spot for it, not.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Behind the fridge.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I swear I had a navy niche and I got
buy a new one and in the end of next week, fine,
and wear a hit on my Okay. So we've done
our piles, either with someone as wonderful as you or
(16:28):
by yourself in the kind of interim or as a
kind of a consolation prize of a gun of you.
Do you ever suggest enlisting a friend? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think if you don't want to hire a person,
then I think it's good to have a set of
objective eyes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, because you're going to do that honest. Yeah, someone
who's honest but also wants to get in there and
get the dust and get dirty, because you've got to
get it done.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You want someone who isn't going to be of a
different you know, someone who loves florally things for example,
and a bit aligned with your and understand your style.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah yeah, okay, And then I could always go in
the maybe pile. If you sometimes don't agree and don't
want to get in a heated argument, you just go
that's maybe until you leave. That's what I do, and
then I put it all back. Say you've got stuff
you've got to get rid of. Do you donate, do
you sell? Do you do a mix of both.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I've never had much success with selling, and it's just
depressing how much.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You can back there.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, you've really got to have low expectations.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I really do.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mean, it's nice that they find a new home,
but sometimes I just get impatient and I just shove
it all in a bag and stick it in all
of those bins.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
On the street.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's donating. Yeah, I know someone's going to go through
the parl and go, oh my god, it's a center
on bag. Oh my gosh. Don't you ever I do.
I get to a point where I like I just
can't even think about this anymore. Someone's going to be
very excited sell things for you. Yes, you're only get
half the price, but it's better than nothing. Yeah, I know.
But if it's really trash, as my Centeroon bag was,
I was just overseas and I got quite a trashed
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low Ova bag for one hundred and thirty five urom
still online for six thousand, six hundred. Wow. I send
it off to the bag sparts back. It's like new
no way, yep. My suggestions because I like thrifting and
I do have a big volume of clothes. I like
to get shiny new things all the time. So I've
had some success on eBay Again, anything online is a
lot of questions. You've got to be mentally prepared for
(18:13):
the back and forth. eBay deep op a lot of
people use that deep but I feel like that's younger thing.
Oh No, you've just got to find your circle. I
don't think so. I mean there's beautiful designer on there,
there's just you know, like your calls in your country
road level.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, you've just.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Got to find the person.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Facebook marketplace again can be a dumpsterfire, can be great.
We did a swap in the moment of my office.
Recently we all went and cleaned out of wardrobes. Everyone
had sort of six weeks notice and we all brought
in and the amount of items you brought in was
the amount of tokens you got to then swap. But
there's places before you throw out another Saint Laurent bag
as a one that me uses all the time. I
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use what we wore. They did have a store in
the Sydney Eastern suburbs, but now they're just online. They
will take half, but at least you know geting something
and you don't have to do all the back and
forth and the trying on. Talk to me about storage.
So we've cleaned out our wardrobe and then we want
to make it more functional and I guess visible some
of us might have sliding doors. What do you recommend
(19:14):
We then put all the stuff we're keeping back so
we wear it again.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's just about order. You don't wear something if it's
not orderly. So I like to put things in their categories.
So you have black pants together, or your blue pants together,
or your cotton casual pants together. Yes, whatever your categories are,
or your blazers and the rest of the stuff, just.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
You know, see you later, see you later. Wow, you're
so ruthless. Do you ever argue with the client about
not argue? But are people harder to convince because they
have that emotional attachment to their things?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I mean, at the end of the day, drag it
and run away, And I say, well, I'm here because
you've hired me to be here, so you can take
my advice or not. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they do
what you do with your friend, though they probably just go, Okay,
I'll take it to the goodwill And then it's.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Why you're so good at this and I'm not because
I think I don't want to let that go and
I haven't examined why why do I I want to
keep it? Where am I planning or wearing it? The
amount of imaginary dress up parties I'm going to in
my field, Wait to a dress up party. I have
not been dressed up ten years. Okay, so we're clearing
out our wardrobes. I want you to ask, on average
with your clients, is it that they have too much
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stuff and need it, or that they just haven't identified
the holes or the gaps in their wardrobe. Why are
people needing this service? Well, the people that I work with,
generally it's not a priority. They don't think that about
their wardrobe. Yes, I mean they know they have.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
To get dressed obviously, but they've got other stuff that's
more sure.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So they might be corporate, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And some of them are hoarders, you know, they.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Just kind of get it and keep it and there's
just another task they never get to it, and or
some of them are emotionally attached to all these crazy things.
You know, Oh, this is a dress I wore on
my first date when we met. It's a disgusting DKM.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Why dress or something?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Do you say that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Moving on?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh well, I'm probably less tactful than that. I would say, no,
you don't need this. Yeah, well you don't need it.
I mean it is beautiful and sentimental. You've got that memory,
probably had a photo.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
You don't need to keep the dress because by applying
that filter to everything, you would live in piles of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah you would.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, Yeah, what's your one takeaway for people that are
feeling overwhelmed by the thought and also say you're not there?
This is what I wonder because Holly, who is one
of my colleagues. She recently did it and she messaged me, goes, God,
this takes a long time. Do you think people underestimate
the effort that you need.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, again, it depends on how much stuff they've gotten.
Heart and they cull. But I think your idea is good.
Just break it down into I'm doing these two drawers today.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, it doesn't feel too overwhelming. No, I think any
task is more achievable if you break into chunks.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I used to say that to my kids with their studying.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay, I need to hire you. It's not that dusty.
I promise you'll just drown on the piles of.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Sure, I'll do anything other than my own wardrobe. I'll
come and look at yours any day. Thank you, it's
my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
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