May 6, 2025 • 20 mins
This week on Nothing to Wear, Leigh dives into the world of matching sets, sheer skirts and the infamous generational fashion feud with social media extraordinaire Liv James. They explore why Gen Z and millennials are constantly pitted against each other in the style stakes, debunk the myth that certain pieces are age-restricted, and discuss how both generations can learn from each other's approach to fashion.
From Liv's Pinterest hacks to Leigh's classic capsule wardrobe philosophy, the pair share what they'd wear to various occasions (spoiler: they're not as different as you might think!) and challenge the tired narrative of generational style wars.
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Apres Studios Plaid Marta Dress $409
Apres Studios Black Picnic Dress (seen on Hailey Bieber) $399
Zara Leopard Print Kitten Heels $70
Bad Bunny x Adidas Sneakers $250
Asics x Story MFG Sneakers $370
Merrell Woven Slides $270
Vrg Girl Lace Skirt $120
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Host: Leigh Campbell
Guest: Liv James
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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To do it.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm Lee Campbell. In every week I chat to an.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Expert who helps us work out how to get more
out of the clothes we already own and tells us
exactly what is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now, there's something I have.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Wanted to cover on the podcast for a while because
it really irritates me. It's the fashion feud between gen
Z and Millennials. From socks to cross body bags and
everything in between. It seems these two generations throughout war
when it comes to what is quote unquote cool to wear.
So joining me again today is the delightful and insightful
(01:11):
Live James. She's our in house style with Brush. She's
a social media extraordinaire and Live was first on the
show when she taught us how to master Pinterest, which
honestly has been one of our most popular episodes yet.
She's young and cool and the perfect person to nat
out this issue and hopefully put the millennial versus gen
Z fashion war to bed Live.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You were last on the show, on the Pinterest episode
which changed my life. But luckily I get to see
you every week, and you are young and fun and cool,
and that's why you're here. Before we get into the topic,
the two questions I asked returning guests, Yeah, what's your
biggest fashion splurge or impulse purchase?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Okay, So I like to be quite calculated about what
I buy, because I do like to buy quality pieces
that sometimes cost a bit of money and I have
to really think about it. But I did recently buy
Address and I didn't think about it. I probably thought
about it for ten minutes because it was love.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It was just love.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
And honestly, it's from a brand called up Press Studios,
which is Australian made.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like our Prey, like with the s like the ski word.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah okay, yeahki No okay.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No, it's actually more like Victorian.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, last time you're on. We talked trends and there
was that we did weird Victorian.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, castle cor castle Core that.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I actually said that I wouldn't wear a drop waist.
And guess what this has. This brand went viral for
the Bubble Mini dress.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I thought that was witchery. Again, No, I don't, I'm
not anti. I just was there the first time, well
the first time for yes, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, so that went viral because Haley Beebele wore it
and very cool.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, it's very cool and very cool.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I was like, okay, so I've been watching them. The
Bubble Mini dress I found hard because I was like,
I can't wear that every day.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But this is a maxi.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
It's like a plaid kind of blue and pink pattern
heaven and it has an elastic top so things really
nicely like clings to you, but then it pushes out
from where them, so it has a little bit of
a dropped waist, so it kind of like does a
v oh yes, yes, shapes really nice and it's the
(03:22):
top like like less Slaves top is like a T
shirt and it's one hundred percent cotton. It was a
bit spendy. It was around four hundred dollars handmade though,
like it is like an but.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I really loved it, and you're gonna wear the shit
out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I wore it to Easter. My mum loved it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Okay, get some mum tick of approval and I can
wear it to work as well.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, okay, good, all right, so you are quite considered.
I need to learn to not just to click and
not need my credit card. I mean, you wouldn't even
know what it's like to need to go and get
your credit card out of you. Do you have a
style music? If so, who and why?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I've got two automatically they spring to mine every time.
There's this one girl called Elsa Ray. She's on TikTok.
She's awesome. She's got around four two thousand followers.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
She lives in Melbourne. Not too huge, no, not massive.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But she's a very cool. But she's not afraid to
mix patterns where they shouldn't be, and she does it
in a very nice way, and she does color in
a considered way, but it still feels fun. Okay, So
I always like, I'm always saving her videos because fun
with fashion.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, very cool, but not like trying to be generic
cool girl cool, you're like quirky.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes, I hope you take no.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Absolutely, and I think she does that really well. But
she still does it with pieces that you can get
from like the iconic.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, like she's mistainable.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Literally I could literally put you into although I feel
like sometimes I wear things if you wore you'd be
like you would be.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Like, no way, no way. Who's the other one?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
The other one is an og YouTuber from America. Her
name is Lexie Lombard and I.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Think like Eve and I've heard that name.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She's so cool. She's friend like Billy Eilish and stuff, like,
she's really cool. She's got say Billy idol.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
This is the perfect episode from me.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, no, no, but you know, maybe a fan of
Billy Idol baby, So you know how, like obviously love Pinterest.
I'm subscribed to her Pinterest board and I have a
little widget on my phone home screen and it generates
new images every hour from my saved boards, which I
know might sound a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I have that from my phone photos my kid as
a baby and stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yes, so it's exactly that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But for your Pinterest boards, and every time a photo
from her board comes up, I click on it and
I'm like, I need that, and.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
She's just we're going back to the Do you have
to have saved the picture from Pinterest? No, it's just
accounts you follow.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Just account you follow or subscribe to. It's the best.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
It's like, so you're surrounding yourself with constant inspiration, Like, yeah, inspiration.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You live in the future. I love it. Oh my god,
thank god you're here live. I love you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
We talk a lot along. Yeah, we are twenty years apart.
We are almost I aged myself. Yet you're twenty five.
I'm forty three, so pretty much two decades between us.
And so that makes you, technically, gen Z me are millennial,
technically an elder millennial. And I want to ask you.
I know you can't speak for your entire generation, but
(06:28):
how do you feel about all the content and the
articles and the things we say? That? Says gen Z says,
they can tell someone's a millennial when they wear dot
dot dot like that kind of content that feudes these
two generations, mostly women, kind of against each other.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It really does and look like it clicks, like it works.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We've done like we know here at work.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Absolutely, but personally, I think it's really tired. And honestly,
when I look at the things that my like gen
Z is obsessed with right now, ballet flats, side parts, peplum.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm sorry, but like, where are all those coming from?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Us?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, And we're not I don't think we're
afraid to admit that. Like we all know that, and
we all understand that fashion has a cycle.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It always comes back.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, but it's I guess for you guys, we're generalizing here,
but you know, to make the point, it's kind of
like your first time with that trend. Yes, And I
remember twenty years ago thinking I'm so cool and what
my mum wears is so daggy or whatever, but she's like, Babe,
I wore that twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, And I think, like a really good example when
I was thinking about it was there was an interview
with Apple Martin, Gwyneth's daughter, and Gwyneth has this amazing
archive closet that she's done a tour of and they
asked Apple, I can't remember what publication it was, but
they were like, do you go in there?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And her eyes literally lit up like my eyes would,
and she goes, absolutely, it's my favorite place.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh cute, And I.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Was like, yeah, like we understand that maybe there's a
few things that we don't love, like you don't know,
shoe socks.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We'll get into that. We'll get into.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm not gonna budge on that I care. But you
guys walked so we could run.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yes, bad, we're taking things and we're rewriting it. But
I also think a big difference is that we're growing
up with like Pinterest and TikTok, where things happened really fast.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Right, Oh, I bought Dolly or Cleo or Cosmo. I
saved up so once you know, Cosmo and Cleo came
out once a month and we would have got that
you had a certain amount of pictures, Yeah, exactly, and
then you saw an Adam on the TV or a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
God, I sound old.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So the amount of content and inspiration that we all
have access to now, but we didn't really grow up
in our formative years of deciding what style was. And
there was so few stores and there wasn't online shopping.
So yeah, that's a big part of.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
It too, absolutely, and I think that's probably the biggest
part because we are programmed to know, Okay, tomorrow, I'm
going to like shift this one thing to be different.
You guys were always taught to have like a capsual wardrobe, yes,
what fits your body this way?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All that cur went shopping like maybe got a special
treat before Christmas, dur in summer, and then you bought
some winter.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Stuff because it was cold.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Wow, I sound like I'm from the great.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
No, But like truly, I think that that is a
huge difference. It's like we go fast and you guys
are more probably.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Considered all right, So gen Z in general, Yeah, how
do you think they feel about millennials or even gen X?
Because you know, Holly and me are both here a
gen X and I think are very stylish. But in general,
do you think older generations that are two decades three
(09:33):
decades older, uncol old lady too different to what your
friends wear.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I think it's like very personal.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I was on Instagram a few days ago and Kate
Middleton popped up and she was wearing a Baker boy hat,
you know those like.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, but don't know what one is?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And I, yeah, I didn't, you go. I was like,
what's this?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
And I then got on the phone to my mum
and she's gen X yeah, and she was like I
had one of those hats and I was like, I
actually really like it. Yeah, it made me want to
buy it. And I think Vogue called it a style
revival or something. They didn't call it old, they didn't
call it chugi or you know, just lame or anything.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They were like, it's coming back.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
So I think that I don't think it's about age,
Like I really don't. Yeah. I think it's like there's
these weird mental blocks and I see it in the office.
I see it with people that I talk to that
they're like I just couldn't wear that, yes, And I'm like,
but you could, yeah, you really could. Or I couldn't
shop there or couldn't wear that because of my age. Yeah, yeah,
And that's a mental barrier I've had to overcome and
(10:37):
you know, don't really think about now. But it's a
lot of the listeners here as well. Yeah, absolutely, And
I think I it's hard because obviously there's things that
you're like, I hope my mum rocked up to like
family dinner and she was wearing like a Von Dutch
cap and like jaorts.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I'd be like, okay, like something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Totally, And how old you mum? Do you mammy asking
fifty two? Yeah, see she's young, that's me or in
Holly's age. Yeah, if your mom did Jaughts with like
a really cool shirt. Yeah, yeah, Like it's more about
the item and how it's styled across generations, right, rather
than an entire look.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, it's like rewriting it and doing it in your
own way and making sure that it actually still feels
like you. So I guess that's probably what would freak
me out. If M'm more at the way that I
wore it, I'd be like, what's going on? But maybe
she could like, you know, maybe should go red Jawts
and I'd be like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's cool, danim jaw with a nice shirt.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Actually that's no, No, that's true. I could actually see
like you would fill that.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So, as a gen Z and as someone that professionally
gets paid to run social media, where do you get
your stylinspo from? Where do you see cool brands, cool trends,
cool looks, cool pieces? Because for me, I'm still mostly Instagram. Yeah,
but that was a big departure for me from magazines
and then websites.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yos absolutely mainly TikTok like that. When I really come
down to it and I'm like, okay, where do I
see something and then want to buy it, It is
always TikTok, And I think it has kind of taken
over what would have been magazines for you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yes, and even Instagram.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like my generation's kind of slowly maybe being
forced to go on to TikTok. But we love Instagram,
but your generation tends to go to TikTok first for that.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And I use it as a search engine just as
much as I'll go to Google and be like, Okay,
I want to find a white sneaker I will look
that up in TikTok first. What so I can see
someone talking about it, and I can see them putting
it on, and I can see them being honest about it.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Yeah, and also I can see how they style it,
and that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Way, I won't just get the same white sneaker all
over and over again, and I won't just get that
like stock image of it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
On a white background, Like I'm like, what can I
actually do with that? Nothing?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So then I'll watch this video see how they style it.
If I like the whole outfit screenshot. Asos, which I
really love, has this feature where you can upload a
screenshotted voto and you can put it into their search
engine and they'll just pop out.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
All the similar similar part.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I've seen what the little button on the website and
I was like, that looks like the future. It is
actually the future a reverse Google image. Yeah, that's good too,
but it's not as good.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's not as good. It's not as good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Would you say you follow fashion trends? I mean, I
get to blame my job and I think that I'm
original and stylish, but I really do follow a lot
of fashion trends each season, and I'm happy to admit it.
I'm a bit of a sheep. I'm kind of a
mid sheep. I'm not a leader, but I'm not a follower.
Do you think you follow trends? And I feel like
your generation don't as much, or maybe we're just seeing
(13:37):
a whole different world of trends that aren't Yeah, because
I'm not looking away your trends are.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I think it's hard because, like you could probably find
someone that dresses exactly the same way as you now
in probably like five minutes so everything kind of feels
like you. Yeah, Like I really struggle with that, I
think like half the time because it is very important
to me that I feel like I'm dressing as myself
and like in an individual way. But there's like memes
(14:01):
at the moment that are like, have I ever had
an original thought? Because you see people doing the same
thing as you, even if you thought you were the
first person in the world to do it. There's like
three sneakers that are on my wish list right now.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, tell me about the place.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Bad Bunny has a new collab with Adda Das. It's
like a ballerina shoe.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I have seen those. I thought Bad Bunny was the
brand to start with.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Oh my god, I'm a singer. He dated Kendall Jennifer
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I never heard of him. Okay, what's the next one?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
The other one is Essex has done this collab with
a brand called MFG Story MFG and it's Gingham and
so the whole thing is in a Gingham pattern. It's
really cute, looks like a little picnic.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Another one which.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Will be interesting for you, and I actually think you
could look really good in these.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Do you know the brand Meryll.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, isn't it ugly?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah? Yeah? Is that like a raincoat brand or something.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's like they're like a hiking brand.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, like solid like outdoor.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
But they're having a bit of a rebrand and I
would die to see you in these shoes. They're doing
this like rebrand and they're cool now. Like I was
just in Tokyo, which.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You were was amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
All other topic. We need to a whole other topic.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
But they had a storefront in Shibuyah, and I was like, Okay,
I'm clocking this, like you guys are on the rise. Okay,
because if it's in Tokyo and if they have a storefront,
something's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay, But what did the shoe look like?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They look like dad shoes, but there's one dad sneaker.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, but they can get really hiki okay, like you
really are going for a trek. But there's one specific
pair that is a leather woven slip on kind of
slide but it's closed toe.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay. It sounds okay and not in croc territory? Is it?
Does it feel krocky?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I wouldn't say no, oh god, but it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
See That's where I think it's so clever of you.
Maybe because of your generation or your job that you've
seen that I would have walked past and gone ugly shoe, ugly, shop,
keep going. Maybe that's why I keep shopping in the
same way.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We most think. We have this thing where it's like,
if it's ugly, we'll like it. The uglier the better.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I do feel like that you can't be wearing a
shoe like that with an outfit that doesn't feel delicate
or a balance. Yeah, you've got a balance, you know,
the wrong shoe theory. Yes, So you put your outfit
on and then you go, what shoe would I never
wear with this?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And you put that shoe on. Yeah, and that's a
good outfit. It kind of stems into that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I like that your generation knows that. Harry.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna play a game.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
We both have to answer. I have a go thought
about mine. Yeah, twenty years apart. We both answer what
we'd likely to wear to these following occasions. So clothes, huse, accessories,
all of it. Okay, the first scenario, you're going to
and I'm going to it's dinner with friends, so male female,
and we're at a quite a fancy restaurant, and then
we're going to a bar after to people have your
head to go to a bar?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes, oh good, okay, go to a bar. What are
you wearing?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I will probably go.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know, I am a sucker for the trend at
the moment with the sheer skirt.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yes, I love the sheer skirt.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I both call me onto my favorite run from Verge
Girl that you said you were gonna buy, and I've
bought a first.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
If we don't hang out.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm still yet together, but I'd probably go let's say
that skirt. I'd go that skirt and just an oversized
T shirt. We've got a few situations that you're going
to give me. I could wear maybe all of my
suggestions to any of them, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But we're not anti this. We're at a fancy restaurant,
So what shoe were you doing?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I would do a kitten heel. Okay, I love a
kitten heel. One of my favorite kittenhels at the moment
is from Zara. It's got a leopard print on it
with a little bow. Looks very ninety and then a
bit of patent clashing there.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Hatch would tickle my brain.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the skirt is quite dressy, So the T shirt's
okay for the fanciness.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
And I would do like a pretty statement necklace and
gold hoops.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, I'm vibing that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I probably would wear a sheer skirt too, because
I skied, you know, a maxi skirt or lacey sheery.
But I don't think i'd do a tea to a
fancy restaurant I've been loving.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's not a singlet.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Top, but it's a sleeveless sort of lower neck, but
long enough to cover the bum and the front. No,
actually think i've seen you wear so that not everyone's
seeing my undies.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'd probably do a high heel because I still have
that hangover from where we fancy restaurant means high heel.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, your generation doesn't have. We don't. And probably a blazer,
nice oversized. Yes, all right, you're going to brunch with
your girl group.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, I would do a.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Cute little like a mini dress and then knee high boots.
Oh wow, yeah, but not healed like we like the
flat knee high or I would do a coored okay, yeah,
so like double denim something like that. Sneak like I
wouldn't do a kitten heel.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, no, right, no, I wouldn't do a sneaker with
the ministress.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, okay, and your socks because you loves socks.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, snick always ankle length socks always, probably a poper color.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm going to wear my high waisted barrel leg jeans,
of which I have seven hundred and fifty pairs. I
try and wear sandals for as long as they can
because I hate winter shoes. But if it's cold, I
do a loafer, Okay. I don't really do a lot
of trainers or sneakers. And I'm gonna do a T shirt,
probably a plain T shirt like I've got on today
with a belt, or a T shirt with a respectable
logo like an anine being or something that says I'm
(19:25):
a bit fancy, but it's.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not like chill Louis Bitton. Yeah. Nice, that's me.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So you're going to a work related event, I guess
in our industry, so creative. You're not going to the ballet.
Maybe you are, but what would you wear with the
work stuff?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I would probably go with the suit, but a colored suit,
and then I'd do a graphic tea under it, oh coo,
proribly with an image see yes, a bit of like.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You can see something popping out. Yeah, I'm vibing that
and that's very MEA yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Like a Meryl Street like can you imagine you've got
like a matching suit on? And then Meryl Streep is
like just on your shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And what's out footwear?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
For this work event, I would probably do a little
kitten hill as well. Okay, good, just to like, you know,
that's work for me. I do still go to a
lot of work events. I am generally a low kitten here,
maybe even a loafer if it's not that dressy. I
don't believe in shoe string straps or anything too thin
for a shoulder for anything work related. But again that's
a hangover from my old days. Or if I do,
(20:24):
everything else has to be very covered. So I would
probably do like a pant, like a nice wide lenk pant,
and probably a shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's very simple and very simple. What I could I
guess I could be in a lawyer's office.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Live James, thank you for representing your wonderful generation who
can run because we walked, And I love that we're
trying to put to rest the generational war fashion because yeah, fun,
yes it's.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Close and we can form.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Richard absolutely, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
For having me, thank you for joining me, thank you
for listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now, there's something I have.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Wanted to cover on the podcast for a while because
it really irritates me. It's the fashion feud between gen
Z and Millennials. From socks to cross body bags and
everything in between. It seems these two generations throughout war
when it comes to what is quote unquote cool to wear.
So joining me again today is the delightful and insightful
(01:11):
Live James. She's our in house style with Brush. She's
a social media extraordinaire and Live was first on the
show when she taught us how to master Pinterest, which
honestly has been one of our most popular episodes yet.
She's young and cool and the perfect person to nat
out this issue and hopefully put the millennial versus gen
Z fashion war to bed Live.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You were last on the show, on the Pinterest episode
which changed my life. But luckily I get to see
you every week, and you are young and fun and cool,
and that's why you're here. Before we get into the topic,
the two questions I asked returning guests, Yeah, what's your
biggest fashion splurge or impulse purchase?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Okay, So I like to be quite calculated about what
I buy, because I do like to buy quality pieces
that sometimes cost a bit of money and I have
to really think about it. But I did recently buy
Address and I didn't think about it. I probably thought
about it for ten minutes because it was love.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It was just love.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
And honestly, it's from a brand called up Press Studios,
which is Australian made.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Like our Prey, like with the s like the ski word.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah okay, yeahki No okay.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No, it's actually more like Victorian.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, last time you're on. We talked trends and there
was that we did weird Victorian.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, castle cor castle Core that.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I actually said that I wouldn't wear a drop waist.
And guess what this has. This brand went viral for
the Bubble Mini dress.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I thought that was witchery. Again, No, I don't, I'm
not anti. I just was there the first time, well
the first time for yes, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, so that went viral because Haley Beebele wore it
and very cool.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, it's very cool and very cool.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I was like, okay, so I've been watching them. The
Bubble Mini dress I found hard because I was like,
I can't wear that every day.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But this is a maxi.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
It's like a plaid kind of blue and pink pattern
heaven and it has an elastic top so things really
nicely like clings to you, but then it pushes out
from where them, so it has a little bit of
a dropped waist, so it kind of like does a
v oh yes, yes, shapes really nice and it's the
(03:22):
top like like less Slaves top is like a T
shirt and it's one hundred percent cotton. It was a
bit spendy. It was around four hundred dollars handmade though,
like it is like an but.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I really loved it, and you're gonna wear the shit
out of it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I wore it to Easter. My mum loved it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Okay, get some mum tick of approval and I can
wear it to work as well.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, okay, good, all right, so you are quite considered.
I need to learn to not just to click and
not need my credit card. I mean, you wouldn't even
know what it's like to need to go and get
your credit card out of you. Do you have a
style music? If so, who and why?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I've got two automatically they spring to mine every time.
There's this one girl called Elsa Ray. She's on TikTok.
She's awesome. She's got around four two thousand followers.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
She lives in Melbourne. Not too huge, no, not massive.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But she's a very cool. But she's not afraid to
mix patterns where they shouldn't be, and she does it
in a very nice way, and she does color in
a considered way, but it still feels fun. Okay, So
I always like, I'm always saving her videos because fun
with fashion.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, very cool, but not like trying to be generic
cool girl cool, you're like quirky.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes, I hope you take no.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Absolutely, and I think she does that really well. But
she still does it with pieces that you can get
from like the iconic.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, like she's mistainable.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Do you know what?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Literally I could literally put you into although I feel
like sometimes I wear things if you wore you'd be
like you would be.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Like, no way, no way. Who's the other one?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
The other one is an og YouTuber from America. Her
name is Lexie Lombard and I.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Think like Eve and I've heard that name.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
She's so cool. She's friend like Billy Eilish and stuff, like,
she's really cool. She's got say Billy idol.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
This is the perfect episode from me.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, no, no, but you know, maybe a fan of
Billy Idol baby, So you know how, like obviously love Pinterest.
I'm subscribed to her Pinterest board and I have a
little widget on my phone home screen and it generates
new images every hour from my saved boards, which I
know might sound a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I have that from my phone photos my kid as
a baby and stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yes, so it's exactly that.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But for your Pinterest boards, and every time a photo
from her board comes up, I click on it and
I'm like, I need that, and.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
She's just we're going back to the Do you have
to have saved the picture from Pinterest? No, it's just
accounts you follow.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Just account you follow or subscribe to. It's the best.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
It's like, so you're surrounding yourself with constant inspiration, Like, yeah, inspiration.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You live in the future. I love it. Oh my god,
thank god you're here live. I love you.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
We talk a lot along. Yeah, we are twenty years apart.
We are almost I aged myself. Yet you're twenty five.
I'm forty three, so pretty much two decades between us.
And so that makes you, technically, gen Z me are millennial,
technically an elder millennial. And I want to ask you.
I know you can't speak for your entire generation, but
(06:28):
how do you feel about all the content and the
articles and the things we say? That? Says gen Z says,
they can tell someone's a millennial when they wear dot
dot dot like that kind of content that feudes these
two generations, mostly women, kind of against each other.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
It really does and look like it clicks, like it works.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We've done like we know here at work.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Absolutely, but personally, I think it's really tired. And honestly,
when I look at the things that my like gen
Z is obsessed with right now, ballet flats, side parts, peplum.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm sorry, but like, where are all those coming from?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Us?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, And we're not I don't think we're
afraid to admit that. Like we all know that, and
we all understand that fashion has a cycle.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It always comes back.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, but it's I guess for you guys, we're generalizing here,
but you know, to make the point, it's kind of
like your first time with that trend. Yes, And I
remember twenty years ago thinking I'm so cool and what
my mum wears is so daggy or whatever, but she's like, Babe,
I wore that twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, And I think, like a really good example when
I was thinking about it was there was an interview
with Apple Martin, Gwyneth's daughter, and Gwyneth has this amazing
archive closet that she's done a tour of and they
asked Apple, I can't remember what publication it was, but
they were like, do you go in there?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And her eyes literally lit up like my eyes would,
and she goes, absolutely, it's my favorite place.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh cute, And I.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Was like, yeah, like we understand that maybe there's a
few things that we don't love, like you don't know,
shoe socks.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We'll get into that. We'll get into.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm not gonna budge on that I care. But you
guys walked so we could run.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yes, bad, we're taking things and we're rewriting it. But
I also think a big difference is that we're growing
up with like Pinterest and TikTok, where things happened really fast.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Right, Oh, I bought Dolly or Cleo or Cosmo. I
saved up so once you know, Cosmo and Cleo came
out once a month and we would have got that
you had a certain amount of pictures, Yeah, exactly, and
then you saw an Adam on the TV or a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
God, I sound old.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So the amount of content and inspiration that we all
have access to now, but we didn't really grow up
in our formative years of deciding what style was. And
there was so few stores and there wasn't online shopping.
So yeah, that's a big part of.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
It too, absolutely, and I think that's probably the biggest
part because we are programmed to know, Okay, tomorrow, I'm
going to like shift this one thing to be different.
You guys were always taught to have like a capsual wardrobe, yes,
what fits your body this way?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All that cur went shopping like maybe got a special
treat before Christmas, dur in summer, and then you bought
some winter.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Stuff because it was cold.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Wow, I sound like I'm from the great.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
No, But like truly, I think that that is a
huge difference. It's like we go fast and you guys
are more probably.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Considered all right, So gen Z in general, Yeah, how
do you think they feel about millennials or even gen X?
Because you know, Holly and me are both here a
gen X and I think are very stylish. But in general,
do you think older generations that are two decades three
(09:33):
decades older, uncol old lady too different to what your
friends wear.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I think it's like very personal.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I was on Instagram a few days ago and Kate
Middleton popped up and she was wearing a Baker boy hat,
you know those like.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, but don't know what one is?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And I, yeah, I didn't, you go. I was like,
what's this?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
And I then got on the phone to my mum
and she's gen X yeah, and she was like I
had one of those hats and I was like, I
actually really like it. Yeah, it made me want to
buy it. And I think Vogue called it a style
revival or something. They didn't call it old, they didn't
call it chugi or you know, just lame or anything.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
They were like, it's coming back.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
So I think that I don't think it's about age,
Like I really don't. Yeah. I think it's like there's
these weird mental blocks and I see it in the office.
I see it with people that I talk to that
they're like I just couldn't wear that, yes, And I'm like,
but you could, yeah, you really could. Or I couldn't
shop there or couldn't wear that because of my age. Yeah, yeah,
And that's a mental barrier I've had to overcome and
(10:37):
you know, don't really think about now. But it's a
lot of the listeners here as well. Yeah, absolutely, And
I think I it's hard because obviously there's things that
you're like, I hope my mum rocked up to like
family dinner and she was wearing like a Von Dutch
cap and like jaorts.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I'd be like, okay, like something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Totally, And how old you mum? Do you mammy asking
fifty two? Yeah, see she's young, that's me or in
Holly's age. Yeah, if your mom did Jaughts with like
a really cool shirt. Yeah, yeah, Like it's more about
the item and how it's styled across generations, right, rather
than an entire look.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, it's like rewriting it and doing it in your
own way and making sure that it actually still feels
like you. So I guess that's probably what would freak
me out. If M'm more at the way that I
wore it, I'd be like, what's going on? But maybe
she could like, you know, maybe should go red Jawts
and I'd be like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's cool, danim jaw with a nice shirt.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Actually that's no, No, that's true. I could actually see
like you would fill that.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So, as a gen Z and as someone that professionally
gets paid to run social media, where do you get
your stylinspo from? Where do you see cool brands, cool trends,
cool looks, cool pieces? Because for me, I'm still mostly Instagram. Yeah,
but that was a big departure for me from magazines
and then websites.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yos absolutely mainly TikTok like that. When I really come
down to it and I'm like, okay, where do I
see something and then want to buy it, It is
always TikTok, And I think it has kind of taken
over what would have been magazines for you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yes, and even Instagram.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like my generation's kind of slowly maybe being
forced to go on to TikTok. But we love Instagram,
but your generation tends to go to TikTok first for that.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And I use it as a search engine just as
much as I'll go to Google and be like, Okay,
I want to find a white sneaker I will look
that up in TikTok first. What so I can see
someone talking about it, and I can see them putting
it on, and I can see them being honest about it.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Yeah, and also I can see how they style it,
and that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Way, I won't just get the same white sneaker all
over and over again, and I won't just get that
like stock image of it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
On a white background, Like I'm like, what can I
actually do with that? Nothing?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So then I'll watch this video see how they style it.
If I like the whole outfit screenshot. Asos, which I
really love, has this feature where you can upload a
screenshotted voto and you can put it into their search
engine and they'll just pop out.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
All the similar similar part.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I've seen what the little button on the website and
I was like, that looks like the future. It is
actually the future a reverse Google image. Yeah, that's good too,
but it's not as good.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's not as good. It's not as good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Would you say you follow fashion trends? I mean, I
get to blame my job and I think that I'm
original and stylish, but I really do follow a lot
of fashion trends each season, and I'm happy to admit it.
I'm a bit of a sheep. I'm kind of a
mid sheep. I'm not a leader, but I'm not a follower.
Do you think you follow trends? And I feel like
your generation don't as much, or maybe we're just seeing
(13:37):
a whole different world of trends that aren't Yeah, because
I'm not looking away your trends are.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I think it's hard because, like you could probably find
someone that dresses exactly the same way as you now
in probably like five minutes so everything kind of feels
like you. Yeah, Like I really struggle with that, I
think like half the time because it is very important
to me that I feel like I'm dressing as myself
and like in an individual way. But there's like memes
(14:01):
at the moment that are like, have I ever had
an original thought? Because you see people doing the same
thing as you, even if you thought you were the
first person in the world to do it. There's like
three sneakers that are on my wish list right now.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, tell me about the place.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Bad Bunny has a new collab with Adda Das. It's
like a ballerina shoe.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I have seen those. I thought Bad Bunny was the
brand to start with.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Oh my god, I'm a singer. He dated Kendall Jennifer
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I never heard of him. Okay, what's the next one?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
The other one is Essex has done this collab with
a brand called MFG Story MFG and it's Gingham and
so the whole thing is in a Gingham pattern. It's
really cute, looks like a little picnic.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Another one which.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Will be interesting for you, and I actually think you
could look really good in these.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Do you know the brand Meryll.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, isn't it ugly?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah? Yeah? Is that like a raincoat brand or something.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's like they're like a hiking brand.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, like solid like outdoor.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
But they're having a bit of a rebrand and I
would die to see you in these shoes. They're doing
this like rebrand and they're cool now. Like I was
just in Tokyo, which.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You were was amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
All other topic. We need to a whole other topic.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
But they had a storefront in Shibuyah, and I was like, Okay,
I'm clocking this, like you guys are on the rise. Okay,
because if it's in Tokyo and if they have a storefront,
something's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay, But what did the shoe look like?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They look like dad shoes, but there's one dad sneaker.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, but they can get really hiki okay, like you
really are going for a trek. But there's one specific
pair that is a leather woven slip on kind of
slide but it's closed toe.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay. It sounds okay and not in croc territory? Is it?
Does it feel krocky?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I wouldn't say no, oh god, but it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
See That's where I think it's so clever of you.
Maybe because of your generation or your job that you've
seen that I would have walked past and gone ugly shoe, ugly, shop,
keep going. Maybe that's why I keep shopping in the
same way.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We most think. We have this thing where it's like,
if it's ugly, we'll like it. The uglier the better.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I do feel like that you can't be wearing a
shoe like that with an outfit that doesn't feel delicate
or a balance. Yeah, you've got a balance, you know,
the wrong shoe theory. Yes, So you put your outfit
on and then you go, what shoe would I never
wear with this?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And you put that shoe on. Yeah, and that's a
good outfit. It kind of stems into that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I like that your generation knows that. Harry.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna play a game.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
We both have to answer. I have a go thought
about mine. Yeah, twenty years apart. We both answer what
we'd likely to wear to these following occasions. So clothes, huse, accessories,
all of it. Okay, the first scenario, you're going to
and I'm going to it's dinner with friends, so male female,
and we're at a quite a fancy restaurant, and then
we're going to a bar after to people have your
head to go to a bar?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes, oh good, okay, go to a bar. What are
you wearing?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I will probably go.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know, I am a sucker for the trend at
the moment with the sheer skirt.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yes, I love the sheer skirt.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I both call me onto my favorite run from Verge
Girl that you said you were gonna buy, and I've
bought a first.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
If we don't hang out.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm still yet together, but I'd probably go let's say
that skirt. I'd go that skirt and just an oversized
T shirt. We've got a few situations that you're going
to give me. I could wear maybe all of my
suggestions to any of them, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But we're not anti this. We're at a fancy restaurant,
So what shoe were you doing?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I would do a kitten heel. Okay, I love a
kitten heel. One of my favorite kittenhels at the moment
is from Zara. It's got a leopard print on it
with a little bow. Looks very ninety and then a
bit of patent clashing there.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Hatch would tickle my brain.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the skirt is quite dressy, So the T shirt's
okay for the fanciness.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
And I would do like a pretty statement necklace and
gold hoops.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, I'm vibing that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I probably would wear a sheer skirt too, because
I skied, you know, a maxi skirt or lacey sheery.
But I don't think i'd do a tea to a
fancy restaurant I've been loving.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's not a singlet.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Top, but it's a sleeveless sort of lower neck, but
long enough to cover the bum and the front. No,
actually think i've seen you wear so that not everyone's
seeing my undies.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I'd probably do a high heel because I still have
that hangover from where we fancy restaurant means high heel.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, your generation doesn't have. We don't. And probably a blazer,
nice oversized. Yes, all right, you're going to brunch with
your girl group.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yes, I would do a.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Cute little like a mini dress and then knee high boots.
Oh wow, yeah, but not healed like we like the
flat knee high or I would do a coored okay, yeah,
so like double denim something like that. Sneak like I
wouldn't do a kitten heel.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, no, right, no, I wouldn't do a sneaker with
the ministress.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, okay, and your socks because you loves socks.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, snick always ankle length socks always, probably a poper color.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm going to wear my high waisted barrel leg jeans,
of which I have seven hundred and fifty pairs. I
try and wear sandals for as long as they can
because I hate winter shoes. But if it's cold, I
do a loafer, Okay. I don't really do a lot
of trainers or sneakers. And I'm gonna do a T shirt,
probably a plain T shirt like I've got on today
with a belt, or a T shirt with a respectable
logo like an anine being or something that says I'm
(19:25):
a bit fancy, but it's.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not like chill Louis Bitton. Yeah. Nice, that's me.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So you're going to a work related event, I guess
in our industry, so creative. You're not going to the ballet.
Maybe you are, but what would you wear with the
work stuff?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I would probably go with the suit, but a colored suit,
and then I'd do a graphic tea under it, oh coo,
proribly with an image see yes, a bit of like.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You can see something popping out. Yeah, I'm vibing that
and that's very MEA yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Like a Meryl Street like can you imagine you've got
like a matching suit on? And then Meryl Streep is
like just on your shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And what's out footwear?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
For this work event, I would probably do a little
kitten hill as well. Okay, good, just to like, you know,
that's work for me. I do still go to a
lot of work events. I am generally a low kitten here,
maybe even a loafer if it's not that dressy. I
don't believe in shoe string straps or anything too thin
for a shoulder for anything work related. But again that's
a hangover from my old days. Or if I do,
(20:24):
everything else has to be very covered. So I would
probably do like a pant, like a nice wide lenk pant,
and probably a shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's very simple and very simple. What I could I
guess I could be in a lawyer's office.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Live James, thank you for representing your wonderful generation who
can run because we walked, And I love that we're
trying to put to rest the generational war fashion because yeah, fun,
yes it's.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Close and we can form.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Richard absolutely, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
For having me, thank you for joining me, thank you
for listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to
sign up to the matching newsletter. There's a link in
the show notes and it's free. See you next week.
This episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production
by Lou Hill.
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